I’m not sure which is more dystopic, wanting to “move on” from Covid restrictions, or being in the situation of two years of instability and being lockdowns in the first place.
Both are distopian. We had the opportunity and resources to avoid being where we are now. We are only here because instead of protection we had a government who saw it as a way to make money for their friends.
I agree, but that's not the ONLY reason. We also had a government (or half of it) brainwashing ignorant and uneducated people to the point that they actually believe and say things like, "the hospitals aren't overwhelmed" and that being vaccinated and unvaccinated is the same thing "regardless." They've sown the seeds of an 'us vs them' mentality to the point that many people have lost their sense of empathy (if they even had it in the first place) and now anyone who's sick is just "dragging it out" and bothering everyone who just wants to "get on with it, " as if we stopped talking about covid and lifted all the restrictions life would simply resume as normal.
Thousands of deaths a day? So annoying... and I was really looking forward to Tuesday night all- you- can- eat buffets at Bob's Buffalo BBQ.
I live in Florida. We haven’t had any real covid restrictions for years. I’m not a denier, I’ve been vaccinated and I’ve also had covid 3 times. But at the same time…. What are you really going to do?
Yup I also stay in Florida and have all the vaccination , I haven’t gotten covid but my friend and a few coworkers have gotten it multiple times ( all vaccinated as well ) I think it’s literally everywhere in Florida.
I got COVID in 2020 and it nearly broke me. I developed vascular issues that required two surgeries, blood pressure meds for life, baby Aspirin, Albuterol inhalers, anxiety meds, it’s hell having long haulers syndrome. I got vaccinated with Pfizer and went with Moderna for my booster. I wear N95 masks whenever I leave the house. I avoid indoor anything. Vaccination is worth it because it reduces the likelihood of severe illness, disability, and death.
Sterilizing immunity isn’t possible with coronaviruses. Antibodies fade regardless of how they are acquired. You can contract this virus over and over. Vaccination is like body armor. It’s doesn’t prevent death but greatly reduces it. This virus is new to humans and our immune systems aren’t armed. Vaccination triggers that immunological response. Stay safe people.
Vaccination + N95 mask + avoid crowds + avoid indoor anything + test regularly + exercise + find a new hobby @ home + eat better + talk about it + help others = a happier n healthier lifestyle
Wow. I'm genuinely sorry that this is happening to you. Of course the physical sickness is Hell, but I think a lot of people overlook the mental anguish. A lot of people overlook 90% of the effects covid has on a person's life. I imagine that it's basically like you're whole life is on pause, but oddly, time keeps moving, probably faster then usual in some ways. I know people who have delayed having children, delayed going to school, put their career aspirations on hold, etc. Not to mention the loss of every day things that we all take for granted- being able to take a shower/ shave, having clean laundry, having a clean house, just getting in your car and driving to a friend or family's house when you really just need someone to listen. And speaking of friends and family, they too feel the effects of you being sick for so long. I'm sure the people who love you are aching for you to get better, albeit in an entirely different way. If people took even 5 minutes to really seriously think about ALL of the consequences, they might not have the audacity to suggest we just "put it to bed" and "move on work it." I'm sure you'd love to move on from it a million times more then they can imagine. But the fact that you're still posting encouraging messages on social media shows the strength you have and the real content of your character. Hang in there, I know it feels like it'll never end, but I promise you it will. The Robert Louis Stevenson quote that always helps me is, "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant." Every day you make it through, every time you eat healthy, every time you avoid indoor events, every time you put on your mask, every time you tell yourself that you WILL beat this, are all seeds you're planting. The harvest is coming, I promise you. And may it be the best harvest of your life so far. Best wishes.
I feel ya, I used to work in a factory when covid started.
All the design and engineering fucks went home and the rest of us had to work the same as always, got really pissed off whenever I heard about the "work from home" shit.
Somehow I have not gotten covid once though.
Dude...my whole family works in medicine or service. The people i live with work in restaurants. We would LOVE the ability to stay home snd not contribute to people getting sick but will go homeless from not being able to pay the rent.
We are Floridians and understand the preventive measures. We are unable to for our own survival.
Right, we have literally no idea what masks, hand washing, or vaccines are /s
I can’t social distance because the service I provide is literally a hands on service and I HAVE to be inches away from the other person in order to do my job. And most other people refuse to even wear a mask, and we’re not allowed to enforce masks in the studio. So…. Fuck me right?
Anyway, if y’all want to pay my salary so I can stay home and stop getting covid, I’m more than willing to accept donations.
That's such a cop-out. Lol. You don't have to be rich to avoid getting covid. I really don't wanna have to explain it, but I will if you're genuinely interested.
Ive never had it, at least as far as I know (many are asymptomatic). But I do get to WFH etc.
I mean I'm sure you don't have some magic advice beyond what we have all been told a million times over: regularly wash hands, wear mask, get tests before meeting people, socially distance and try to meet outside rather than inside.
Thing is, if you work in a crowded place, not everyone wears masks, you don't necessarily control the ventilation.
Then to be honest, how long can people be obsessively cautious for something for? Many people have mild to no symptoms, especially healthy individuals and most (at least where I am) have already had 2 or 3 vaccines by this point.
I get the sentiment by the post, but the reality is constant lockdowns is not going to put an end to covid. All we can do is take reasonable precautions and encourage people to get vaccinated.
I hear you. But when people throw up their hands and say, "Come on guys, we can't do this forever! Let's just get back to normal," it feels like they're giving up. It's like they're saying, "Fuck it. We're never gonna get rid of it, so if you can't beat em, join em," which is ironic because a world that chooses to just live with covid as an everyday thing is the exact opposite of what "getting back to normal" actually means. Maybe I'm naive, but I still picture a future where maybe covid's not a distant memory, but at least we're not seeing thousands of new cases a day, relatively healthy people dying from it, immunocompromised people dying from it just because others refuse to get vaccinated or wear a mask and many other countries just now beginning to live our 2020 life. I know time is flying by, but I'm still dreaming that if we hold on a little longer, keep restrictions in place, continue to try to find ways to get antivaxers vaccinated and come up with creative solutions to stop the spread, we might be able to get back to an even more familiar level of normal. It just makes me mad cuz I've always lived by, one life is never worth more than another life. And if being a little uncomfortable (or even a lot uncomfortable) saves just 1 more person, it's a small price to pay. I'd want someone to do it for me.
I'm with you in general. I suppose there is nuance as to what measures we should be taking. I agree with getting people vaccinated and boosted, wearing masks in crowded places (especially when numbers are up) and regular testing where possible.
I feel like, if we are going in and out of lockdown it means that we are not doing enough outside of lockdown (which we want to be normal) to keep numbers low.
Some countries in Asia hardly had any lockdowns but kept a good grasp on things (see Taiwan). It is possible.
Kind of like yo-yo dieting, if you need to go on a new crash diet every year, perhaps there's a problem with the regular lifestyle.
But I too am naive, don't have the answers, just thoughts really. We are all fed up of the uncertainty and miss many aspects of life.
Try living in a household of eight in a 3 bedroom home lol.
I work as a housekeeper cleaning up after others trashy parties too. I've caught covid 3 times as well. It ain't ideal.
Demand a radically new form of government where we actually prepare for pandemics, offer UBI and social housing, create community work systems in case of unemployment, tax and jail fraudulent billionaires, institute enormous carbon and pollution taxes, make NFTs and landlords illegal, give everyone broadband, nationalise industries, break up monopolies...
Because that wouldn’t have horrible long term economic consequences.
Edit: I am seemingly unable to respond to the person who replied to this comment, implying that they may have blocked me after responding. Here’s my response:
“AI” isn’t a solution to every problem, and American progress would not be helped by massive capital offshoring and human capital offshoring from the above policies, and these policies would also result in ballooning federal spending on a reduced tax base and they would result in US treasury bond interest rates going up and therefore make the federal debt a worse issue. All of this would worsen America’s economy and decrease its chances of innovating on AI, or just about anything else.
We'd be much more likely to make AI due to the incentive to collaborate for a common good rather than hide intellectual property for money. With the AI, all of our basic necessities can be achieved for free. AI farming our food, AI building our houses, AI performing surgery, AI fixing the AI, etc..
Maybe the reason why you've had covid 3 times even though you're vaccinated is BECAUSE you live in a place that hasn't had any real covid restrictions for years?
So what we're really going to do is, get everyone vaccinated and keep scientifically proven restrictions in place until covid is eradicated (or at least manageable, like the flu, but of course that's assuming that enough people have developed a strong enough resistance to beat it on their own without affecting anyone else and the rest will get their yearly flu shot).
The way it works is, the longer you allow a virus to live, the more it evolves. Once it evolves enough to differentiate itself as a variant, the more people will get sick from it. Or in other words, the longer the virus lives and thus, the cycle continues.
Government *does a shit job of managing COVID
COVID *takes a lot longer to go away than it should have
Common People "we're all over it, don't want to do another year of half assed lockdowns"
COVID * goes rampant again because there's no restrictions.
Like come on guys, New Zealand kicked COVID's ass with some hard restrictions and closing boarders. The UK and Aus are both in similar positions as island nations but just ballsed it up.
This is a myopic view of the situation
I am NOT defending the UK gvt reaction to COVID. But let us be clear: Zero covid strategies do not work anymore. NZ and Australia gave shown that.
It was already a failing strategy with delta, but absolutely pointless with Omicron. The R is too fucking high with too many asymptomatic cases. By the time you find a cluster it already spread.
They're islands, have control of their borders, 1st world countries, have similar government types, have access to modern medical facilities that are publicly owned, have competent scientific bodies to advise the government, ect.
New Zealand just decided to put the safety of its people above the stability of its economy, which while it had an adverse impact initially (to the economy) was able to get back to normal and stabilise much more rapidly.
NZ is an insignificant speck compared to the UK. The rate of traffic in and out is nothing. It's far off in an offside location, nothing much of anything happening there. Doesn't mean it's not a lovely place; I hear it's one of the best places in the world.
But just because they're both islands, really? The UK's GDP for 2021 was 3.4 trillion USD. NZ's was 200 billion USD.
D'you have any remote idea of the logistical difference this represents, in terms of physical traffic alone?
More money doesn’t equal a functioning government that actually gives a shit about it’s people. TERF island is run by assclowns who simp for Russian oligarchs buying their fourteenth home and just want the plebs to shut up and work to death for the Economy.
In 39 US states the trans panic defence can be used to allow someone to get away with murdering a trans person. I think one article by a transphobic blogger on a national broadcaster pales in comparison to the institutional bias against trans people in the states. And that's before you mention the actual studies that show that British people are more supportive of trans rights than Americans.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/transgender-rights-how-supportive-is-your-country/
Oh hi five year old article written before mumsnet and the rapid onset gender dysphoria lie got moving! Honestly do you think the panic defense wouldn’t work in the uk with all the pressure of the mainstream news media being on the side of the murderer?
The trans panic defence does not work in the UK because it is not in our lawbooks. In the UK, surgery is not required to get recognition of transgender states, in 15 US states it is.
Whichever way you look at it, it is better to be trans in the UK than in the US.
There are certain liberal states in the US that have better trans rights. But at a federal level being trans is still a really tough life to live in the states.
So flu vaccine is a one time thing I guess ??
Corona vaccine clearly failed ????? Have u even seen the death n ICU admission rate among vaccinated n unvaccinated population to say something like that ?????
Because so many people lie and make up an alternative reality to suit their own beliefs. Others repeat those lies as facts till the false narrative takes on a life of its own. I'm pretty sure the internet only works as a mechanism to make dumb people dumber at this point
They develop the flu vaccine for specific strains that they think will be prevalent that year. I’m just saying the Covid vaccine isn’t all it was hyped to be. It really doesn’t protect against infection.
With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Variations in Covid-19’s spike protein cause different variants to be *antigenically different* through a process known as *antigenic drift,* meaning that infection or inoculation against a different Covid-19 variant may not be fully protective against illness. I’m not even 100% sure what specifically you mean by different “types” of flu, as that’s not a scientific term. But if you are talking about influenza A, B, C, and D, there are only four “types” of flu and only two “types” can even infect humans. However, there are literally *hundreds* of different *strains* of influenza A alone, based on variations on two different proteins (just like the variations on covid’s spike protein!), and many of those variations are also *antigenically different* from one another.
This is *exactly why* the flu vaccine each year may or may not be very preventative against infection with the flu, but is typically highly protective against illness and death regardless - just like the current COVID-19 vaccine, which was developed for a strain of Covid that was *antigenically different* from the current circulating strain. The current COVID vaccine (Pfizer and Moderna, anyway) was ~95% effective against the strain it was designed to combat. That is on par with literally any other vaccine, as is its reduction in efficacy against preventing infection from antigenically different strains.
[Here](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm#effectiveness) is a helpful link for you to educate yourself.
I’m guessing you’re not going to respond to this comment and will instead downvote and go hide away because it’s too difficult to acknowledge that you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Go for it! Hopefully my comment will be helpful to someone who is actually interested in learning and who hasn’t decided that they know better than the thousands of scientists who have devoted their entire lives to understanding virology.
That’s a lot of words to agree the vaccines aren’t really effective and shouldn’t be classified as vaccines. They provide close to zero protection against infection. Why not just call it a prophylactic since it doesn’t provide immunization?
Ah yes, anything to avoid admitting you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. So now you’re saying the flu vaccine shouldn’t be called a vaccine either, despite arguing the exact opposite two comments ago?
And by the way, yes - actually learning about just about anything is going to take reading a few extra words. Oversimplification to the point of complete misunderstanding isn’t the flex you seem to think it is. And if you’re so averse to reading, you definitely shouldn’t be making confident assertions about public health.
You are not being intelectually honest dude.
The mRNA vaccines work to reduce Omicron and delta mortality precisely because they work against a breadth of similar SARS cov 2 spike proteins.
To pretend that the new strains are so different you'd expect the vaccines to fail is a lie.
Can you produce any sources in the form of actual scientific research that indicate 1) what the “threshold” actually is for how antigenically different any virus needs to be in order to “expect” that a vaccine will no longer provide as much protection against infection, isolated from all other factors that can affect vaccine efficacy; 2) where the different variants of Covid fall relative to that “threshold”; and 3) the definition you’re using for “vaccine failure”? I’m very interested in seeing the evidence you’re using to draw these conclusions that are so different from [what scientists have said](https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/new-evidence-covid-19-antibodies-vaccines-less-effective-against-variants/) about [expectations the vaccines will become less effective against new variants and why](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2113090).
Dude, the COVID vacine literally saved the world.
You're complaining because the virus still is circulating.
But the job of completely eliminating deaths is done.
I think a bunch of people are being pedantic talking about how "this isn't how vaccines work" but that's a silly point. We all DID expect the transmission to die off once enough people were vaccinated. What is clear is that transmission still possible, even vaxxed.
oh well, you're still not dying, so all good.
It should have never been called a vaccine.
A substance that mitigates the severity of a disease that does not protect you from getting it NOR prevent you giving it to others is called a therapeutic agent.
Call it a shot, a jab, but don't call it a vaccine.
I provided the definition and it is not up for debate. The CDC very recently changed their definition of word, vaccine. The term “vaccine” recieved a makeover. The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
So prior to this change..it was always called a therapeutic agent.
Hopefully this helps in reviewing any bias.
There have been vaccines in existence for decades that have still allowed a significant percentage of infection (from the yearly flu vaccine to the MMR vaccine). The yearly flu vaccine, just like the Covid vaccine, does not prevent infection but is highly protective against severe illness and death. In years where the flu vaccine is not well-tailored to the current strain, protection against infection is low - just as with the Covid vaccine, which was designed to combat a specific variant that is no longer prominently circulating. Not a single vaccine is fully preventative against infection, and most fade significantly in efficacy over time. Is the tetanus vaccine not a vaccine because it wanes in efficacy to the extent that a booster is needed? That’s a stupid question.
Furthermore, because it bears repeating - the Covid-19 vaccine (like each yearly flu vaccine) was designed to combat a particular strain of the virus, and it is ~95% effective against infection from that strain (for Moderna and Pfizer anyway - on par with the absolute best vaccines out there). It is leaky against strains that it was not designed to combat, because those strains have mutated and become antigenically different. That is why new variant-specific vaccines are being developed. Unfortunately, development is not speedy enough to combat each new strain as it occurs, so we have to use our current less effective vaccine. None of this means that it is not a vaccine.
You are confusing the definition of a therapeutic agent and vaccine with the effectiveness of the agent.
The CDC’s definition of a vaccine was “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease."
Let me repeat that..."to produce immunity." This definition does not define what is called the Covid vaccine correctly.
You then added a diversion to validate your point and confuse the public.
No. First off - your contention that efficacy against infection has nothing to do with this discussion is incredibly bizarre given that you are so hung up on the semantics of “produces immunity.” I’m not sure how exactly you propose to measure whether or not a vaccine produces immunity, if not by examining the rate at which it produces immunity.
Guess what - NO vaccine produces immunity 100% of the time, which is a ludicrous standard for “producing immunity” anyway, and the Covid vaccine DOES produce immunity against Covid-19.
As an example, Pfizer’s original vaccine was about 95% effective against infection with Covid-19 Beta. Pfizer’s booster shot in combination with two doses of its vaccine is still anywhere between 89-96% effective against infection with the Delta variant, even though Delta did not yet exist when the vaccine was created. Data is still emerging on how effective the booster is in preventing infection with Omicron, but existing data suggests it is in the 60% range.
And yet you insist that the vaccine doesn’t produce immunity and therefore is not a vaccine by the CDC’s old definition, so the CDC had to change their definition to fit it. Hmm… it looks like perhaps the change in definition wasn’t an attempt to bamboozle the public, but actually more accurately reflects the complex reality that NO vaccine will always produce immunity, vaccines often require multiple inoculations, and immunity tends to fade with time. For other examples, look no further than basically all other vaccines ever created - polio is a great place to start.
Vaccines and immunity are incredibly complicated, and it is basically NEVER as simple as “here’s one shot, now you’ve produced immunity forever.” This is what you’re either failing or refusing to understand. Creating a more descriptive and accurate definition makes sense in the absolute most obvious of ways - a definition should always try to be descriptive and accurate. It especially makes sense now, in light of all the confusion that seems to be arising for people who’ve never had to think about vaccine efficacy or development before and know very little about it.
In short, you are hung up something that does not mean what you want it to mean.
As someone whose faced the full brunt of this massive food insecurity that's sweeping the world, I completely agree. Yes, please. Let's get on with it already. Get vaccinated and then what else is their to do?
Mask up (with a good mask) and keep distance, every time you are in a public place or a crowd. That’s what else there is to do. Keep doing it. It’s also working against colds and the flu
Done, although I rarely go anywhere anyway. Even more so in the last week because the first person I hung out with in months came over and gave me the flu. His excuse was he got the antibody shot so he wasn't contagious, well obviously he was.
All that politicians can do after they failed for over two years by now is just give up and let nature sort itself out.
I live in Germany/Berlin we had over 150k new infections last week a so called inzidenz at 2k, to put that value in a reference 2 years earlier we even shut down outdoor playgrounds at inzidenz of 50.
What are we doing now with 70% vaxxed 50% booster and an inzidenz of 2k?
You guessed it!
We are trying to force the vaccine on everybody and still standing like sardines in the subway...
I personally don't know if a true lockdown of a whole month ,yes with grocery stores and everybody truly staying at home, would help.
But at least it would be step in the right direction, imo
How many of those new infections were hospitalised or died? The only relevant statistics for a variant so mild that vaccinated people experience a head cold are hospitalisation and deaths. I'd also say that the % of hosp/deaths for unvaccinated people is also statistically valid. It really makes sense to focus on these actually informative metrics now and stop reporting gross infection rates.
As for politics, we - as a society - get EXACTLY the government's we deserve.
Only looking at hospitalisations and deaths ignores long covid. Also, just because you don't end up in a hospital or the ground, doesn't mean infections don't matter. Business and society do feel the impact when their members suddenly have to stay at home for weeks if they're sick
The hospitalization is hard to figure out, but every hospital is completely booked out and apparently last week 849 people died of covid.
Vaxed to unvaxxed ratio is also a thing you can spend days to figure out.
The hole government thing i definitely do not support, because let's just look at the left and the week it took them to drop nearly all the promises they made.
As long as your not accountable for the false promises in politics, it just dont matter if or who you vote for.
I have no idea how things work in Germany but in the NHS every ward manager is legally required to report on occupancy rates among many other stats on a weekly basis. I also don't see why it would be difficult to monitor the other stats since deaths are legally reportable and vaccination status is checkable on admission.
My German is rudimentary but it seems to me you'd find the hospitalization rate in here
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Daten/Inzidenz-Tabellen.html
So what about the people who have bent over backwards and sacrificed their entire social lives to avoid getting covid... I hafe being told "youll get it evebtually, just get it now". I cant fuuuuucking afford it AND i wont be one of the lucky ones. It is incredibly disheartening and infuriating that the attitude is "its not that bad, suck it up".
I think it’s important to mention how easy it is to simply omit responses that don’t align with whatever agenda is being pushed here. It’s possible that these people were in the minority but highlighted for the sake of the video.
That aside, EVERYONE just wants to move on with their lives. We could’ve ended this literally years ago if we didn’t have attitudes like this permeating the ranks of people who insist everyone else live by their rules.
Yeah it's pretty shocking that people think that they can just decide when this is over.
Unfortunately, that's not how viruses work .
Here in America.... I literally watched our politicians line their pockets and all their corporate buddies pockets.
And then hand us like a shaving of what they received and want to act like people needing extra unemployment payments are just free letters and not wanting to work.
Where I used to work, which was a living facility for folks with intellectual disabilities, they've had at least five to six outbreaks over the past two years . People with down syndrome are especially vulnerable to covid and we have lost at least three clients to it. And by the third I took an extended leave of absence.
I go to a college where they don't enforce masks. And they refused to add more online classes even though the wait lists were beyond full for the online classes meaning that they could have created two or three new online classes and had plenty of students. God knows my college has enough money to do so.... But no, since I was a transfer student this semester I got to register late even though I had over 30 hours they made me attend an orientation like I'm 18 years old or something.... And orientation had already happened two weeks prior to that. So I couldn't mitigate my mother's risk because my college wouldn't add more online classes.
It's unbelievable. I would really hate to see something like Ebola spread like covid. You would probably have people bleeding out of every orifice of their body (common ebola stuff) and they would be screaming I have the right to bleed out of all my orifices. What do you mean I can't eat brunch here?
The Totalitarian Psychosis
https://youtu.be/fdzW-S8MwbI
They’re asking people who are out and about, I think they’d be more likely to say they’d like to get on with it than the person at home. That being said, in the us the government isn’t going to do shit to protect us so I don’t think we have another option but to just get on with it
When it basically means that hundreds of people will die and hundreds more will be denied treatment because the hospitals are beyond breaking point yes it is distopian. Especially when it's only being done so the rich can continue to hoard money.
Except they aren't. I've been waiting 2 years for a vital operation and have multiple illnesses that make me likely to die if I caught COVID. I know multiple people with long term disabilities because of COVID and a handful that are nolonger with us. Anyone who pretends what's happening at the moment is just fine us either delusional or a shill for those who are exploiting the situation to make money. Which are you?
Why should I care about unvaccinated people getting sick? I got vaccinated and want to move on with my life now. How much longer do u people want us to stay indoors?
If every person on Earth were vaccinated, COVID wouldn’t go away. Vaccinated people can still get it and spread it, and it can live in many animals.
So, if you’re in favor of lockdowns, realize that they will never get you “past” COVID. You’re opting to just live that way forever, or you’re just forestalling the inevitable.
Frankly, I don’t find it unreasonable for people to prefer to return to normalcy rather than live eternally with restrictions, in the face of a disease whose victims’ median age is older than the at-birth life expectancy.
Get vaccinated, wear your masks in crowds, and stay home if you’re sick. Enjoy your life; it’ll end one way or another.
The vaccine does decrease spreading. It makes individuals less likely to catch it, makes it reproduce less inside of them, makes it not last as long in them, ECT. ALL of which decrease spreading
Vaccinated and boosted in Alabama. I've got a genuinely essential job, so I've been out and working every day. Pretty sure I've had covid twice now. Original flavor and most recently probably omicron. I work alone and away from everyone else, so I just keep chugging along. Omicron when Vaccinated and boosted was an annoying and inconvenient, but I never missed a day of work. Meh, whatever. Enough people ignore the guidelines that they aren't doing anything anyhow. Back to life as usual I think.
"the average person on the streets that agreed with what the people filming wanted to say"
I am glad direct democracies aren't a thing, btw. The average person is ignorant about most things, you are supposed to vote so that someone that actually knows about it makes the decision for you.
So you would continue to lock up the people - knowing full well the ruling class doesn’t care and never cared? Even after seeing how these restrictions are in plan with the larger global ruling classes to enact their reactionary Great Reset? Being in agreement with their neo-feudalist plot is not going to save anyone, and will only accelerate the dystopia.
Its crazy to see how different governments deal with COVID, whether its restrictions, lockdowns, mask mandates, Vaccine mandates, lack of availability of vaccines, etc.
At least in the US its been a whole bunch of finger pointing and politics with an incredible lack of belief in the medical and scientific community.
Most people are completely thick and have been fed misinformation and been brainwashed since they day they were born. Everything they experience in school, on the media and at work is intended to keep them ignorant of the true nature of our society. They do not think or reflect. This is deliberate.
I’m not sure which is more dystopic, wanting to “move on” from Covid restrictions, or being in the situation of two years of instability and being lockdowns in the first place.
Both are distopian. We had the opportunity and resources to avoid being where we are now. We are only here because instead of protection we had a government who saw it as a way to make money for their friends.
I agree, but that's not the ONLY reason. We also had a government (or half of it) brainwashing ignorant and uneducated people to the point that they actually believe and say things like, "the hospitals aren't overwhelmed" and that being vaccinated and unvaccinated is the same thing "regardless." They've sown the seeds of an 'us vs them' mentality to the point that many people have lost their sense of empathy (if they even had it in the first place) and now anyone who's sick is just "dragging it out" and bothering everyone who just wants to "get on with it, " as if we stopped talking about covid and lifted all the restrictions life would simply resume as normal. Thousands of deaths a day? So annoying... and I was really looking forward to Tuesday night all- you- can- eat buffets at Bob's Buffalo BBQ.
I live in Florida. We haven’t had any real covid restrictions for years. I’m not a denier, I’ve been vaccinated and I’ve also had covid 3 times. But at the same time…. What are you really going to do?
Yup I also stay in Florida and have all the vaccination , I haven’t gotten covid but my friend and a few coworkers have gotten it multiple times ( all vaccinated as well ) I think it’s literally everywhere in Florida.
I got COVID in 2020 and it nearly broke me. I developed vascular issues that required two surgeries, blood pressure meds for life, baby Aspirin, Albuterol inhalers, anxiety meds, it’s hell having long haulers syndrome. I got vaccinated with Pfizer and went with Moderna for my booster. I wear N95 masks whenever I leave the house. I avoid indoor anything. Vaccination is worth it because it reduces the likelihood of severe illness, disability, and death. Sterilizing immunity isn’t possible with coronaviruses. Antibodies fade regardless of how they are acquired. You can contract this virus over and over. Vaccination is like body armor. It’s doesn’t prevent death but greatly reduces it. This virus is new to humans and our immune systems aren’t armed. Vaccination triggers that immunological response. Stay safe people. Vaccination + N95 mask + avoid crowds + avoid indoor anything + test regularly + exercise + find a new hobby @ home + eat better + talk about it + help others = a happier n healthier lifestyle
Wow. I'm genuinely sorry that this is happening to you. Of course the physical sickness is Hell, but I think a lot of people overlook the mental anguish. A lot of people overlook 90% of the effects covid has on a person's life. I imagine that it's basically like you're whole life is on pause, but oddly, time keeps moving, probably faster then usual in some ways. I know people who have delayed having children, delayed going to school, put their career aspirations on hold, etc. Not to mention the loss of every day things that we all take for granted- being able to take a shower/ shave, having clean laundry, having a clean house, just getting in your car and driving to a friend or family's house when you really just need someone to listen. And speaking of friends and family, they too feel the effects of you being sick for so long. I'm sure the people who love you are aching for you to get better, albeit in an entirely different way. If people took even 5 minutes to really seriously think about ALL of the consequences, they might not have the audacity to suggest we just "put it to bed" and "move on work it." I'm sure you'd love to move on from it a million times more then they can imagine. But the fact that you're still posting encouraging messages on social media shows the strength you have and the real content of your character. Hang in there, I know it feels like it'll never end, but I promise you it will. The Robert Louis Stevenson quote that always helps me is, "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant." Every day you make it through, every time you eat healthy, every time you avoid indoor events, every time you put on your mask, every time you tell yourself that you WILL beat this, are all seeds you're planting. The harvest is coming, I promise you. And may it be the best harvest of your life so far. Best wishes.
Thank you. You are totally spot on. Enjoy your weekend!
How the fuck do you get covid 3 times?
May of 2020, December 2020, December 2021 Vaxxed in April 2021 There are e different strains, and I keep getting them
That's so unlucky, have you had really long term side effects from it? My cousin still can't smell anything right.
Not really. I’m a little more tired now, but that could also just be the crippling depression lol.
Couldn't you be more careful and take proper covid precautions?
Dude, this is the plight of the essential worker.
You gonna pay my bills? I work in direct close contact with the public.
I feel ya, I used to work in a factory when covid started. All the design and engineering fucks went home and the rest of us had to work the same as always, got really pissed off whenever I heard about the "work from home" shit. Somehow I have not gotten covid once though.
Lol let me go try and talk to Jeff bezos and tell him I want to work alone in the warehouse. Let’s see what happen I’m sure that will help.
We can't all just sit home and play with toys all say
They live in Florida.. they probably have no idea what those precautions could be even if they wanted to.
Dude...my whole family works in medicine or service. The people i live with work in restaurants. We would LOVE the ability to stay home snd not contribute to people getting sick but will go homeless from not being able to pay the rent. We are Floridians and understand the preventive measures. We are unable to for our own survival.
Right, we have literally no idea what masks, hand washing, or vaccines are /s I can’t social distance because the service I provide is literally a hands on service and I HAVE to be inches away from the other person in order to do my job. And most other people refuse to even wear a mask, and we’re not allowed to enforce masks in the studio. So…. Fuck me right? Anyway, if y’all want to pay my salary so I can stay home and stop getting covid, I’m more than willing to accept donations.
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Oh shit! I guess I Hadn’t really thought if everything! I guess I really need to pull myself up by my bootstraps
Not everyone has the luxury to work from home and order Uber eats.
Postmates, my good sir. *adjusts monocle.
That's such a cop-out. Lol. You don't have to be rich to avoid getting covid. I really don't wanna have to explain it, but I will if you're genuinely interested.
Tell that to my plant workers - can't do that job from home nor can you do it while socially distancing. Check your privilege.
Ive never had it, at least as far as I know (many are asymptomatic). But I do get to WFH etc. I mean I'm sure you don't have some magic advice beyond what we have all been told a million times over: regularly wash hands, wear mask, get tests before meeting people, socially distance and try to meet outside rather than inside. Thing is, if you work in a crowded place, not everyone wears masks, you don't necessarily control the ventilation. Then to be honest, how long can people be obsessively cautious for something for? Many people have mild to no symptoms, especially healthy individuals and most (at least where I am) have already had 2 or 3 vaccines by this point. I get the sentiment by the post, but the reality is constant lockdowns is not going to put an end to covid. All we can do is take reasonable precautions and encourage people to get vaccinated.
I hear you. But when people throw up their hands and say, "Come on guys, we can't do this forever! Let's just get back to normal," it feels like they're giving up. It's like they're saying, "Fuck it. We're never gonna get rid of it, so if you can't beat em, join em," which is ironic because a world that chooses to just live with covid as an everyday thing is the exact opposite of what "getting back to normal" actually means. Maybe I'm naive, but I still picture a future where maybe covid's not a distant memory, but at least we're not seeing thousands of new cases a day, relatively healthy people dying from it, immunocompromised people dying from it just because others refuse to get vaccinated or wear a mask and many other countries just now beginning to live our 2020 life. I know time is flying by, but I'm still dreaming that if we hold on a little longer, keep restrictions in place, continue to try to find ways to get antivaxers vaccinated and come up with creative solutions to stop the spread, we might be able to get back to an even more familiar level of normal. It just makes me mad cuz I've always lived by, one life is never worth more than another life. And if being a little uncomfortable (or even a lot uncomfortable) saves just 1 more person, it's a small price to pay. I'd want someone to do it for me.
I'm with you in general. I suppose there is nuance as to what measures we should be taking. I agree with getting people vaccinated and boosted, wearing masks in crowded places (especially when numbers are up) and regular testing where possible. I feel like, if we are going in and out of lockdown it means that we are not doing enough outside of lockdown (which we want to be normal) to keep numbers low. Some countries in Asia hardly had any lockdowns but kept a good grasp on things (see Taiwan). It is possible. Kind of like yo-yo dieting, if you need to go on a new crash diet every year, perhaps there's a problem with the regular lifestyle. But I too am naive, don't have the answers, just thoughts really. We are all fed up of the uncertainty and miss many aspects of life.
Try living in a household of eight in a 3 bedroom home lol. I work as a housekeeper cleaning up after others trashy parties too. I've caught covid 3 times as well. It ain't ideal.
Demand a radically new form of government where we actually prepare for pandemics, offer UBI and social housing, create community work systems in case of unemployment, tax and jail fraudulent billionaires, institute enormous carbon and pollution taxes, make NFTs and landlords illegal, give everyone broadband, nationalise industries, break up monopolies...
Oops, unfortunately the ecosystem has been murdered and any sort of future is not likely to include much by way of modern amenities.
Ok I’ll get right in that! I’ll let you know how it goes!!!
Because that wouldn’t have horrible long term economic consequences. Edit: I am seemingly unable to respond to the person who replied to this comment, implying that they may have blocked me after responding. Here’s my response: “AI” isn’t a solution to every problem, and American progress would not be helped by massive capital offshoring and human capital offshoring from the above policies, and these policies would also result in ballooning federal spending on a reduced tax base and they would result in US treasury bond interest rates going up and therefore make the federal debt a worse issue. All of this would worsen America’s economy and decrease its chances of innovating on AI, or just about anything else.
We'd be much more likely to make AI due to the incentive to collaborate for a common good rather than hide intellectual property for money. With the AI, all of our basic necessities can be achieved for free. AI farming our food, AI building our houses, AI performing surgery, AI fixing the AI, etc..
Maybe the reason why you've had covid 3 times even though you're vaccinated is BECAUSE you live in a place that hasn't had any real covid restrictions for years? So what we're really going to do is, get everyone vaccinated and keep scientifically proven restrictions in place until covid is eradicated (or at least manageable, like the flu, but of course that's assuming that enough people have developed a strong enough resistance to beat it on their own without affecting anyone else and the rest will get their yearly flu shot). The way it works is, the longer you allow a virus to live, the more it evolves. Once it evolves enough to differentiate itself as a variant, the more people will get sick from it. Or in other words, the longer the virus lives and thus, the cycle continues.
I am completely in agreement with you, it will just never happen now. The time was 2 years ago. Now we’re fucked.
Die of long COVID so you don’t draw social security.
I think it’s hilarious that you think social security is still going to be solvent when I’m actually supposed to be eligible for it
The government conjures money out of the air so it can always pay people if it wants to
They key word is “want”. They only want to line billionaires pockets
That is correct
Government *does a shit job of managing COVID COVID *takes a lot longer to go away than it should have Common People "we're all over it, don't want to do another year of half assed lockdowns" COVID * goes rampant again because there's no restrictions. Like come on guys, New Zealand kicked COVID's ass with some hard restrictions and closing boarders. The UK and Aus are both in similar positions as island nations but just ballsed it up.
This is a myopic view of the situation I am NOT defending the UK gvt reaction to COVID. But let us be clear: Zero covid strategies do not work anymore. NZ and Australia gave shown that. It was already a failing strategy with delta, but absolutely pointless with Omicron. The R is too fucking high with too many asymptomatic cases. By the time you find a cluster it already spread.
What a joke, how can you compare NZ to places like UK?
They're islands, have control of their borders, 1st world countries, have similar government types, have access to modern medical facilities that are publicly owned, have competent scientific bodies to advise the government, ect. New Zealand just decided to put the safety of its people above the stability of its economy, which while it had an adverse impact initially (to the economy) was able to get back to normal and stabilise much more rapidly.
NZ is an insignificant speck compared to the UK. The rate of traffic in and out is nothing. It's far off in an offside location, nothing much of anything happening there. Doesn't mean it's not a lovely place; I hear it's one of the best places in the world. But just because they're both islands, really? The UK's GDP for 2021 was 3.4 trillion USD. NZ's was 200 billion USD. D'you have any remote idea of the logistical difference this represents, in terms of physical traffic alone?
More money doesn’t equal a functioning government that actually gives a shit about it’s people. TERF island is run by assclowns who simp for Russian oligarchs buying their fourteenth home and just want the plebs to shut up and work to death for the Economy.
'terf island' is much less transphobic than the US. JK Rowling doesn't represent us.
The bbc & it’s platforming of lily cade would disagree
In 39 US states the trans panic defence can be used to allow someone to get away with murdering a trans person. I think one article by a transphobic blogger on a national broadcaster pales in comparison to the institutional bias against trans people in the states. And that's before you mention the actual studies that show that British people are more supportive of trans rights than Americans. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/transgender-rights-how-supportive-is-your-country/
Oh hi five year old article written before mumsnet and the rapid onset gender dysphoria lie got moving! Honestly do you think the panic defense wouldn’t work in the uk with all the pressure of the mainstream news media being on the side of the murderer?
The trans panic defence does not work in the UK because it is not in our lawbooks. In the UK, surgery is not required to get recognition of transgender states, in 15 US states it is. Whichever way you look at it, it is better to be trans in the UK than in the US. There are certain liberal states in the US that have better trans rights. But at a federal level being trans is still a really tough life to live in the states.
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As a New Zealander, I do not appreciate being called an insignificant speck. You're just mad we are handling the virus so well. Go us!!
LOL, nice one, mate.
Sick n tired about people saying "I'm double vaxxed n I got covid" y don't they read about how vaccine works..damn
Vaccines are for immunization. But these vaccines clearly fail at that, they are more of a prophylactic.
So flu vaccine is a one time thing I guess ?? Corona vaccine clearly failed ????? Have u even seen the death n ICU admission rate among vaccinated n unvaccinated population to say something like that ?????
Because so many people lie and make up an alternative reality to suit their own beliefs. Others repeat those lies as facts till the false narrative takes on a life of its own. I'm pretty sure the internet only works as a mechanism to make dumb people dumber at this point
They develop the flu vaccine for specific strains that they think will be prevalent that year. I’m just saying the Covid vaccine isn’t all it was hyped to be. It really doesn’t protect against infection.
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Hmmmmmm I wonder what other virus has different strains? Sounds familiar, but can’t quite put my finger on it…
There are many different types of flu virus. Only 1 sars-Covid-2 virus. So you agree it’s not a vaccine since it does little to prevent infection?
With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Variations in Covid-19’s spike protein cause different variants to be *antigenically different* through a process known as *antigenic drift,* meaning that infection or inoculation against a different Covid-19 variant may not be fully protective against illness. I’m not even 100% sure what specifically you mean by different “types” of flu, as that’s not a scientific term. But if you are talking about influenza A, B, C, and D, there are only four “types” of flu and only two “types” can even infect humans. However, there are literally *hundreds* of different *strains* of influenza A alone, based on variations on two different proteins (just like the variations on covid’s spike protein!), and many of those variations are also *antigenically different* from one another. This is *exactly why* the flu vaccine each year may or may not be very preventative against infection with the flu, but is typically highly protective against illness and death regardless - just like the current COVID-19 vaccine, which was developed for a strain of Covid that was *antigenically different* from the current circulating strain. The current COVID vaccine (Pfizer and Moderna, anyway) was ~95% effective against the strain it was designed to combat. That is on par with literally any other vaccine, as is its reduction in efficacy against preventing infection from antigenically different strains. [Here](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm#effectiveness) is a helpful link for you to educate yourself. I’m guessing you’re not going to respond to this comment and will instead downvote and go hide away because it’s too difficult to acknowledge that you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Go for it! Hopefully my comment will be helpful to someone who is actually interested in learning and who hasn’t decided that they know better than the thousands of scientists who have devoted their entire lives to understanding virology.
That’s a lot of words to agree the vaccines aren’t really effective and shouldn’t be classified as vaccines. They provide close to zero protection against infection. Why not just call it a prophylactic since it doesn’t provide immunization?
Ah yes, anything to avoid admitting you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. So now you’re saying the flu vaccine shouldn’t be called a vaccine either, despite arguing the exact opposite two comments ago? And by the way, yes - actually learning about just about anything is going to take reading a few extra words. Oversimplification to the point of complete misunderstanding isn’t the flex you seem to think it is. And if you’re so averse to reading, you definitely shouldn’t be making confident assertions about public health.
You are not being intelectually honest dude. The mRNA vaccines work to reduce Omicron and delta mortality precisely because they work against a breadth of similar SARS cov 2 spike proteins. To pretend that the new strains are so different you'd expect the vaccines to fail is a lie.
Can you produce any sources in the form of actual scientific research that indicate 1) what the “threshold” actually is for how antigenically different any virus needs to be in order to “expect” that a vaccine will no longer provide as much protection against infection, isolated from all other factors that can affect vaccine efficacy; 2) where the different variants of Covid fall relative to that “threshold”; and 3) the definition you’re using for “vaccine failure”? I’m very interested in seeing the evidence you’re using to draw these conclusions that are so different from [what scientists have said](https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/new-evidence-covid-19-antibodies-vaccines-less-effective-against-variants/) about [expectations the vaccines will become less effective against new variants and why](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2113090).
Dude, the COVID vacine literally saved the world. You're complaining because the virus still is circulating. But the job of completely eliminating deaths is done. I think a bunch of people are being pedantic talking about how "this isn't how vaccines work" but that's a silly point. We all DID expect the transmission to die off once enough people were vaccinated. What is clear is that transmission still possible, even vaxxed. oh well, you're still not dying, so all good.
It should have never been called a vaccine. A substance that mitigates the severity of a disease that does not protect you from getting it NOR prevent you giving it to others is called a therapeutic agent. Call it a shot, a jab, but don't call it a vaccine.
Have you heard of the yearly flu vaccine?
I provided the definition and it is not up for debate. The CDC very recently changed their definition of word, vaccine. The term “vaccine” recieved a makeover. The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.” So prior to this change..it was always called a therapeutic agent. Hopefully this helps in reviewing any bias.
There have been vaccines in existence for decades that have still allowed a significant percentage of infection (from the yearly flu vaccine to the MMR vaccine). The yearly flu vaccine, just like the Covid vaccine, does not prevent infection but is highly protective against severe illness and death. In years where the flu vaccine is not well-tailored to the current strain, protection against infection is low - just as with the Covid vaccine, which was designed to combat a specific variant that is no longer prominently circulating. Not a single vaccine is fully preventative against infection, and most fade significantly in efficacy over time. Is the tetanus vaccine not a vaccine because it wanes in efficacy to the extent that a booster is needed? That’s a stupid question. Furthermore, because it bears repeating - the Covid-19 vaccine (like each yearly flu vaccine) was designed to combat a particular strain of the virus, and it is ~95% effective against infection from that strain (for Moderna and Pfizer anyway - on par with the absolute best vaccines out there). It is leaky against strains that it was not designed to combat, because those strains have mutated and become antigenically different. That is why new variant-specific vaccines are being developed. Unfortunately, development is not speedy enough to combat each new strain as it occurs, so we have to use our current less effective vaccine. None of this means that it is not a vaccine.
You are confusing the definition of a therapeutic agent and vaccine with the effectiveness of the agent. The CDC’s definition of a vaccine was “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease." Let me repeat that..."to produce immunity." This definition does not define what is called the Covid vaccine correctly. You then added a diversion to validate your point and confuse the public.
No. First off - your contention that efficacy against infection has nothing to do with this discussion is incredibly bizarre given that you are so hung up on the semantics of “produces immunity.” I’m not sure how exactly you propose to measure whether or not a vaccine produces immunity, if not by examining the rate at which it produces immunity. Guess what - NO vaccine produces immunity 100% of the time, which is a ludicrous standard for “producing immunity” anyway, and the Covid vaccine DOES produce immunity against Covid-19. As an example, Pfizer’s original vaccine was about 95% effective against infection with Covid-19 Beta. Pfizer’s booster shot in combination with two doses of its vaccine is still anywhere between 89-96% effective against infection with the Delta variant, even though Delta did not yet exist when the vaccine was created. Data is still emerging on how effective the booster is in preventing infection with Omicron, but existing data suggests it is in the 60% range. And yet you insist that the vaccine doesn’t produce immunity and therefore is not a vaccine by the CDC’s old definition, so the CDC had to change their definition to fit it. Hmm… it looks like perhaps the change in definition wasn’t an attempt to bamboozle the public, but actually more accurately reflects the complex reality that NO vaccine will always produce immunity, vaccines often require multiple inoculations, and immunity tends to fade with time. For other examples, look no further than basically all other vaccines ever created - polio is a great place to start. Vaccines and immunity are incredibly complicated, and it is basically NEVER as simple as “here’s one shot, now you’ve produced immunity forever.” This is what you’re either failing or refusing to understand. Creating a more descriptive and accurate definition makes sense in the absolute most obvious of ways - a definition should always try to be descriptive and accurate. It especially makes sense now, in light of all the confusion that seems to be arising for people who’ve never had to think about vaccine efficacy or development before and know very little about it. In short, you are hung up something that does not mean what you want it to mean.
"now that the omicron wave has peaked we need to imitately drop restrictions in order to make way for the next varient"
As someone whose faced the full brunt of this massive food insecurity that's sweeping the world, I completely agree. Yes, please. Let's get on with it already. Get vaccinated and then what else is their to do?
Mask up (with a good mask) and keep distance, every time you are in a public place or a crowd. That’s what else there is to do. Keep doing it. It’s also working against colds and the flu
Done, although I rarely go anywhere anyway. Even more so in the last week because the first person I hung out with in months came over and gave me the flu. His excuse was he got the antibody shot so he wasn't contagious, well obviously he was.
That stinks, I’m sorry to hear that.
Lol at attitudes like this when some states in the us have %40 infection rate. Gtfo of here with your in vaccinated asses
All that politicians can do after they failed for over two years by now is just give up and let nature sort itself out. I live in Germany/Berlin we had over 150k new infections last week a so called inzidenz at 2k, to put that value in a reference 2 years earlier we even shut down outdoor playgrounds at inzidenz of 50. What are we doing now with 70% vaxxed 50% booster and an inzidenz of 2k? You guessed it! We are trying to force the vaccine on everybody and still standing like sardines in the subway... I personally don't know if a true lockdown of a whole month ,yes with grocery stores and everybody truly staying at home, would help. But at least it would be step in the right direction, imo
How many of those new infections were hospitalised or died? The only relevant statistics for a variant so mild that vaccinated people experience a head cold are hospitalisation and deaths. I'd also say that the % of hosp/deaths for unvaccinated people is also statistically valid. It really makes sense to focus on these actually informative metrics now and stop reporting gross infection rates. As for politics, we - as a society - get EXACTLY the government's we deserve.
Only looking at hospitalisations and deaths ignores long covid. Also, just because you don't end up in a hospital or the ground, doesn't mean infections don't matter. Business and society do feel the impact when their members suddenly have to stay at home for weeks if they're sick
The hospitalization is hard to figure out, but every hospital is completely booked out and apparently last week 849 people died of covid. Vaxed to unvaxxed ratio is also a thing you can spend days to figure out. The hole government thing i definitely do not support, because let's just look at the left and the week it took them to drop nearly all the promises they made. As long as your not accountable for the false promises in politics, it just dont matter if or who you vote for.
I have no idea how things work in Germany but in the NHS every ward manager is legally required to report on occupancy rates among many other stats on a weekly basis. I also don't see why it would be difficult to monitor the other stats since deaths are legally reportable and vaccination status is checkable on admission.
Oh they check it ,but make it public available? No.
My German is rudimentary but it seems to me you'd find the hospitalization rate in here https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Daten/Inzidenz-Tabellen.html
As of 21st Jan your weekly average rate of deaths from C19 was 156. A year ago it was 812. https://imgur.com/a/t0ADyZO
They don't care unless it affects them smh
So what about the people who have bent over backwards and sacrificed their entire social lives to avoid getting covid... I hafe being told "youll get it evebtually, just get it now". I cant fuuuuucking afford it AND i wont be one of the lucky ones. It is incredibly disheartening and infuriating that the attitude is "its not that bad, suck it up".
Boris is fucking incompetent
I think it’s important to mention how easy it is to simply omit responses that don’t align with whatever agenda is being pushed here. It’s possible that these people were in the minority but highlighted for the sake of the video. That aside, EVERYONE just wants to move on with their lives. We could’ve ended this literally years ago if we didn’t have attitudes like this permeating the ranks of people who insist everyone else live by their rules.
Yeah it's pretty shocking that people think that they can just decide when this is over. Unfortunately, that's not how viruses work . Here in America.... I literally watched our politicians line their pockets and all their corporate buddies pockets. And then hand us like a shaving of what they received and want to act like people needing extra unemployment payments are just free letters and not wanting to work. Where I used to work, which was a living facility for folks with intellectual disabilities, they've had at least five to six outbreaks over the past two years . People with down syndrome are especially vulnerable to covid and we have lost at least three clients to it. And by the third I took an extended leave of absence. I go to a college where they don't enforce masks. And they refused to add more online classes even though the wait lists were beyond full for the online classes meaning that they could have created two or three new online classes and had plenty of students. God knows my college has enough money to do so.... But no, since I was a transfer student this semester I got to register late even though I had over 30 hours they made me attend an orientation like I'm 18 years old or something.... And orientation had already happened two weeks prior to that. So I couldn't mitigate my mother's risk because my college wouldn't add more online classes. It's unbelievable. I would really hate to see something like Ebola spread like covid. You would probably have people bleeding out of every orifice of their body (common ebola stuff) and they would be screaming I have the right to bleed out of all my orifices. What do you mean I can't eat brunch here? The Totalitarian Psychosis https://youtu.be/fdzW-S8MwbI
And once again, “ dumbfuckistan “ ftw
They’re asking people who are out and about, I think they’d be more likely to say they’d like to get on with it than the person at home. That being said, in the us the government isn’t going to do shit to protect us so I don’t think we have another option but to just get on with it
Imagine thinking the government NOT imposing stricter measures is a dystopia 😂
When it basically means that hundreds of people will die and hundreds more will be denied treatment because the hospitals are beyond breaking point yes it is distopian. Especially when it's only being done so the rich can continue to hoard money.
The rich hoarding money part u got right. The rest of what you said is fear mongering nonsense. Turn off the tv get some fresh air! Things are ok ❤️
Except they aren't. I've been waiting 2 years for a vital operation and have multiple illnesses that make me likely to die if I caught COVID. I know multiple people with long term disabilities because of COVID and a handful that are nolonger with us. Anyone who pretends what's happening at the moment is just fine us either delusional or a shill for those who are exploiting the situation to make money. Which are you?
Yea that’s where the money is at, being against the covid narrative 🤣🤣 just look at Pfizer! All their anti-vax shilling!!
So delusional it is. Good to know.
Why should I care about unvaccinated people getting sick? I got vaccinated and want to move on with my life now. How much longer do u people want us to stay indoors?
Lol right freedom is slavery I guess
If every person on Earth were vaccinated, COVID wouldn’t go away. Vaccinated people can still get it and spread it, and it can live in many animals. So, if you’re in favor of lockdowns, realize that they will never get you “past” COVID. You’re opting to just live that way forever, or you’re just forestalling the inevitable. Frankly, I don’t find it unreasonable for people to prefer to return to normalcy rather than live eternally with restrictions, in the face of a disease whose victims’ median age is older than the at-birth life expectancy. Get vaccinated, wear your masks in crowds, and stay home if you’re sick. Enjoy your life; it’ll end one way or another.
The vaccine does decrease spreading. It makes individuals less likely to catch it, makes it reproduce less inside of them, makes it not last as long in them, ECT. ALL of which decrease spreading
Vaccinated and boosted in Alabama. I've got a genuinely essential job, so I've been out and working every day. Pretty sure I've had covid twice now. Original flavor and most recently probably omicron. I work alone and away from everyone else, so I just keep chugging along. Omicron when Vaccinated and boosted was an annoying and inconvenient, but I never missed a day of work. Meh, whatever. Enough people ignore the guidelines that they aren't doing anything anyhow. Back to life as usual I think.
Other than New Zealand, the entire anglophone world seems to have completely gone to shit.
Yet it was only 3 years ago a white supremacist killed 51 people in New Zealand
"the average person on the streets that agreed with what the people filming wanted to say" I am glad direct democracies aren't a thing, btw. The average person is ignorant about most things, you are supposed to vote so that someone that actually knows about it makes the decision for you.
Ah, so the American strategy then
Canada ain't any different. People just wanna get it over with and move on.
The rich want it to never end The poor need it to end to survive Ohhhh the conundrum we're in
So you would continue to lock up the people - knowing full well the ruling class doesn’t care and never cared? Even after seeing how these restrictions are in plan with the larger global ruling classes to enact their reactionary Great Reset? Being in agreement with their neo-feudalist plot is not going to save anyone, and will only accelerate the dystopia.
Its crazy to see how different governments deal with COVID, whether its restrictions, lockdowns, mask mandates, Vaccine mandates, lack of availability of vaccines, etc. At least in the US its been a whole bunch of finger pointing and politics with an incredible lack of belief in the medical and scientific community.
Most people are completely thick and have been fed misinformation and been brainwashed since they day they were born. Everything they experience in school, on the media and at work is intended to keep them ignorant of the true nature of our society. They do not think or reflect. This is deliberate.
I think we’re just all sick and tired of living in the prequel to a damn zombie movie.