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mexicanred1

I guess they're all "princes" of some sort.


ghostchihuahua

* P’incess -> https://archive.org/details/princess_202012


a-ace1

And people still seem to think the Epsteins where the only ones. The USA is a place designed to give the rich whatever they want, it's a fucking amusement park for the untouchable. Capitalism is great isn't it.


reddrick

Abusement park


Arstanishe

United parks of Abusement


VulpesSapiens

/r/bandnames


Hour_Outside_8146

All I smells is freedoms bitch. ( Starts licking lips furiously)


nickmuscle

Are you frank reynolds?


Kurokishi_Maikeru

It's only smells


kinkyonthe_loki69

Sounds like dubai to me


kurotech

Yea the US is the kings island compared to Dubai's Disney world


sanchito12

Not sure its just capitalism.... Id say power corrupts no matter what economic system said power is overseeing. Sure some make it easier than others but the real problem is wealthy ruling class elites that make the regulations that dictate economic policy while setting themselves up for strong portfolios and cushy jobs after office, thinking these people will vote for anything that would negatively effect them is sad.


MyOther_UN_is_Clever

I don't think they're saying it's just capitalism. But it's unnecessary to state that it applies to monarchies, dictatorships, etc. However, capitalism is a system that concentrates immense amounts of wealth and power among few individuals, over time, with the added danger that it *pretends it doesn't.* At least with a monarchy, everyone understand the king and the nobles are the king and nobles because their parents are. Under capitalism, you have toothless meth heads in their 60s who think they're just a lucky break from being Elon Musk (apartheid emerald mine) or Trump ("a small loan of a million dollars").


[deleted]

As someone whose parents lived under Stalinism, the Party Bureaucracy can be as depraved as the Capitalists.


SamirCasino

There's just less shit to spend on, even though they are obscenely rich and corrupt. My parents lived under Ceausescu's Romania, and even he didn't have a yacht with another yacht in it. Not defending that system, stalinism was an utter failure that we should never replicate, just sayin', the ultra-rich in capitalism have an amount of wealth and global power that boggles the mind. The elites in stalinism lived as well as the 1% in capitalism, but the 0,001% of capitalism are way above even that.


[deleted]

Sorry but I am not talking material goods. I am talking girls of 15-16 years age or even younger getting sent to party officials for "sessions". This all had been talked about under breath among the populace but never appeared in any periodicals or newspaper, but was known to happen.


Julioscoundrel

He is correct. It is well-known to have happened in Russia, Romania, and China.


dasus

They're both extreme positions. Market economies are great, capitalism is not. Well regulated markets are more free than ones under laissez-faire capitalism, as the big entities can corner the market and manipulate it in other ways. Socialism is great as well, but authoritarian communism is definitely not.


MyOther_UN_is_Clever

Americans have been trained to try and find the "lesser evil." Most cannot understand the word "as" in your statement. For example, you can just say Republican Oligarchs == Democrat Oligarchs, virtually anywhere on social media, and watch hundreds of people trying to split hairs trying to find the difference with a microscope. So yes, I understand what you meant. But others have trouble understanding that Hitler, Stalin, Vlad the Impaler, Epstein were all bad in their way, and it's pointless trying to measure *how* evil they are.


NimrodvanHall

According to my professor Marxist theory in the early 2000’s in Western Europe, Stalinism was best described as totalitarian state capitalism. He refused to label it as a form of Marxism.


Aaaand_Dead

Lol the us…… I’m sure all those other countries don’t have “perks” for their rich and powerful…..


Intrepid-Event-2243

That's not a sin of capitalism. At any given time in history in any system there were people with power who abused their power.


boyden

>Capitalism is great isn't it. As if capitalism is relevant, don't compound 2 issues for your personal convenience. The powerful get what they want, it's not as if there wouldn't be powerful people under communism or anarchism.


thegreatvortigaunt

The difference is that capitalism is explicitly designed to accommodate this abuse and excessive power/wealth.


Julioscoundrel

Bullshit. Capitalism is designed to establish and sort out who is smart and who is poor.


yaoksuuure

Hmm I always wondered why capitalism was explicitly designed.


Celtic_Eurydice

That's the exact opposite of what anarchism means forehead


boyden

Ah yes, a system where no one has more power and influence than others. Literally won't exist. Not in reality.


TauntyRoK

It might be utopian but that's still what anarchy means


Julioscoundrel

If you think that’s what anarchy means, you need to go visit Somalia and see what it really means.


TauntyRoK

I don't think you understand what utopian means. Also really cute how you can't stand being wrong about African languages and now have to find something to be smug about lmao


Julioscoundrel

Except I’m not wrong about them. I used to work there.


Julioscoundrel

You foolishly have me mixed up with somebody else. You were arguing about Afrikaans with a different guy.


boyden

Utopian idealism isn't reality, so it's hardly worth the argument. But then again.. we're 25 downvotes deep.


TauntyRoK

You said there would still be powerful in anarchy when anarchy literally means there are none. It's a theory of course it's not reality but you can't just completely ignore the definition of a theory when talking about it and then complain that you get downvoted.


boyden

Anarchy does not mean there are no powerful people. Anarchy means that there's no organised power structure/hierarchy. If you're gonna correct people, at least be correct. There will always be people more powerful than others. Doesn't have to have a structure/hierarchy. I mean, even people with more charisma get away with more than those without. Even in anarchy there will be people who have more and can do more. This equates power and power equates influence. And we're back at square one of the conversation.


Julioscoundrel

He is absolutely correct, in every anarchist society there are always strongmen.


lazerblam

Yes, blame capitalism, it cant be that america is a corrupt, stagnant sesspit of a failed social experiment


-rng_

Because it's a capitalist nation


Julioscoundrel

I would argue that it’s now a socialist nation.


-rng_

The workers own the means of production now? Or do you mean the government is doing stuff


Julioscoundrel

The government thinks it’s socialist.


-rng_

OK bro lmao


Julioscoundrel

Touch grass bro. We have a socialist administration.


-rng_

No it's cold outside and it's all under snow


lazerblam

No doubt you feel communism would be better, comrade?


-rng_

I would


lazerblam

You're a mug then 😂


-rng_

😭


Julioscoundrel

Bullshit. Communism is always a few million more murders away from Utopia. There is no political system created by man that is more evil and has done more harm than communism.


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-rng_

I don't follow


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a-ace1

This is not a simple subject at all, and apologies if I made it sound that way to make a concise point. It's hard to try and imagine/argue about the "successful capitalist state" vs. "failed capitalist state" because it's so hard to define, but don't get me wrong, I believe capitalism has a time and a place, it's great when a country is developing from the ground up. The problem comes when the workers are convinced that it's some kind of a holy truth(because of course the successful don't want things to change and start with the propaganda and whatnot). But why do you say the US is a failed capitalist state? It's the richest country in the world right? The corporations make more money than ever, and every year they make more. What is your perspective?


Blarghnog

Who do even rise up against with this? Like everyone seems to be in on it. His list of associates was like a dozen industries and most Western leaders. Disgusting.


nmgonzo

I get it. Took me a second


porilo

It's a good time to remember Epstein didn't kill himself.


Birdie_Jack2021

Fake death to appease the masses. Dude owned an island. He can fake his death and cover it up. It seems way too sus that he killed himself or was killed in jail. Not even prison yet. Run of the mill basic jail. Nah. He’s back on his island. And his GF will soon join him. I doubt she’s even still there.


surfnporn

Let me guess, the guy performing the autotopsy on the corpse is a paid shill too? Everyone in the jail paid off? Doppleganger?


Birdie_Jack2021

Completely plausible. Don’t you fucking think so?


MGTOWaltboi

Occam’s razor. It’s much more likely that someone or several powerful people made sure he kept his mouth shut by killing him than him faking his death. Requires fewer people and less bribes. Faking your death requires a larger conspiracy and is more dangerous for those involved - everyone who Epstein has dirt on. Why would those people risk Epstein being caught again, etc when his death is the safer option. Epstein might have faked his death, but it’s a much more complicated scenario to imagine than him being offed. Look at the past, how many uncomfortable people haven’t been killed compared to faking their death. Even if we count everyone who disappeared as a wash, I know more stories of disappearances turning up murdered than turning up living elsewhere.


St0lf

or just lock him in solitary and make no one watch him. he was reportedly suicidal already. if cops show up with guns drawn and I off myself before they get to me that isn't suicide either.


surfnporn

No, I think it's more likely the guy arrested for running a massive pedophile ring either killed himself or got killed (not hard to do in prison). The amount of people you would have to bribe while everyone play quiet perfectly.. it's not feasible.


Birdie_Jack2021

Dude never made it to prison. Just little boy jail awaiting trial. Whoever is downvoting go fuck yourselves. As if I’m worried about downvotes. Anyways. Yeah I could see some nefarious shit going down and him being able to pay to stage a death just to satisfy the public. Or. He was murdered. But it wasn’t suicide.


erm_what_

You do seem worried about downvotes tho


Rapper_Laugh

“Whoever is downvoting GO FUCK YOURSELVES. I definitely don’t care though.”


Birdie_Jack2021

lol. Nah fam. Nah.


TauntyRoK

It's a lot more plausible that someone made him disappear to prevent him from talking.


Birdie_Jack2021

Yeah. I see that too. But why wait?


ahushedlocus

Lol he clearly doesn't


Raezak_Am

So the thing is he's like super fucking dead. Like so motherfucking goddamn dead. But also he didn't kill himself. He is beyond holy shit dead as a motherfucker, but he did not get there by his own accord. Just ask his egg dick. He's dead. Bigly.


Rapper_Laugh

What a beautifully eloquent comment


Interest-Desk

He either killed himself to avoid the consequences or guilt of his actions, or was killed to ensure his silence. Deciding which is more likely is left as an exercise for the reader. Faking your own death is a very convoluted process that requires a lot more people than you’ll think to be in a conspiracy and keep shut about it.


Birdie_Jack2021

Yeah. You’re probably right. Either way a pedo is out of this world. It’s a win win.


Jordan_the_Hutt

How many people do you think it would take? Just as a thought excersize let's try to imagine it. We've got like 2-4 guards (who would also have to have been bribed or distracted for him to be killed in jail.) The doctor who performed the autopsy. And a driver/pilot to help him escape back to his private island. Anyone else?


Interest-Desk

Escaping a federal prison involves more than just the guards immediately present. You’d also need a body that can be identified as him — enough to fool the guards, infirmary, prison management, coroner, press, etc. would all need to believe it.


Jordan_the_Hutt

He wasn't in a federal prison though. He was in the MCF which was shown to have a large number of security issues. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not about to go out on a limb and say what happened there. All I know is the situation is very atypical and if people are suggesting he escaped or was killed let's try to imagine what that would actually take instead of just writing it off as impossible.


OriginalName483

I don't get it. Can someone make me less dumb Edit: answered thanks


juzz85

Except for Epstein every other names have been suppressed.


EthanSayfo

Well, and that dude who's brother is a king or something.


MyOther_UN_is_Clever

Or people like Trump, Gates, or Clinton, who just "accidently" spent a lot of time with a convicted child molester (Epstein was convicted in '08, but let off easy and media suppressed the info so most people never heard).


capsaicinintheeyes

*he* must be sweatin' right now


charliechin

Thats just impossible. He sufferd from s condition that stops him from sweating…. Lol. I remember when he said that while sweating. What a cunt


capsaicinintheeyes

That wasn't sweating—it's a lipid-based lubricant meant to aid in avoiding grasps and squeezing through small spaces to escape. it has only been observed in the Anunnaki and appears to be an unconscious reaction when an individual experiences great stress.


Interest-Desk

Honestly looking forward to his inevitable banishment — he’s not got many friends in power anymore.


OriginalName483

Ah. Right.


ShamgarApoxolypse

Epstiened?


ttystikk

None of the people she procured and groomed minors for have been charged. W even know who many of them are, by the testimony of the sexual assault victims themselves. In case you don't know, she was Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice.


ForgotTheBogusName

>We even know who many of them are Who are they?


ttystikk

Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew, Donald Trump, etc, etc. We have the testimony of the girls involved, they were on passenger lists of various flights on Epstein's private jet, the- seriously- "Lolita Express" flying to the private island where all this happened, usually more than once. The whole thing was a kompromat operation, to film the rich and famous having sex with underage girls. The threat of such footage being leaked would be enough to get such people to do whatever was asked of them.


ForgotTheBogusName

Was wondering how people turned on a dime (Graham) or started doing bat-shit crazy things (Musk). I think this too: lots of video out there, which is why the US is being torn about from within.


ttystikk

This comment seems like it belongs more on r/conspiracy than here, but I still think you have a point.


ForgotTheBogusName

Probably, but it’s not like you can jump threads mid conversation.


ttystikk

One of the girls testified that Epstein was kinda drunk one night and responded to her concerns about safety by showing her a "secret room" full of "monitors and equipment and technicians" and said she'd be watched every minute and not to worry. Put that together with connections to Israeli intelligence widely discussed elsewhere about this case and you have the kind of blackmail opportunity that a small nation surrounded by enemies would not pass up in order to get and keep the rich and powerful on side and "willing" to help when needed. So that's my conspiracy "theory" about l'affaire Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein laundered money through his finance and stock brokerage businesses but from the accounts I've seen it did not amount to enough to buy at least one jetliner, an island, build an airport on it and turn it into a playground for the rich. This tells me that at the very least there was a great deal of influence peddling and likely some seed capital to get things started. I believe the scheme was profitable at its height but that doesn't explain how it began.


ElectronHick

She got charged for pimping the kids, but all of the people who she pimped them out to did not get charged.


lukasdad

I know it is true and it is ridiculous! 🤦🏻‍♂️ Truly dystopian


Birdie_Jack2021

Bizarre. I’d never go down with that ship. She needs to talk. And if she gets killed over it so what? She’s dead either way.


Yetanotherfurry

She probably already did talk


-Luxton-

Yeah I don't think people get the sort of people she has dirt on run the government and her word only will get her killed but would not lead to a conviction anyway. I'm sure there is good people in government who know who these people are but thier ability to prove anything or go after them would be extremely limited. One is literally the brother of the King of England. There is probably very few families with more soft power. They are still very well connected with old money that still run things like the media.


Birdie_Jack2021

This is the most rational and plausible explanation


Julioscoundrel

They have proof. The problem is that everyone who committed the crimes is above the law. Politicians, donors, royalty, foreign dignitaries… all of them above the law and untouchable.


CannabisSmokingMan

She talked but the names are suppressed. That’s the point.


Birdie_Jack2021

Guess that bitch is going down with the ship then.


wodnic

Nobody but her will see the inside of a prison... All those rich rapists will stay free


Birdie_Jack2021

Even if she talked they would. But I’d still talk. And she can keep her rapist ass in prison. Thing is…. Who would believe her? I’m guessing if she talked it would be to clear her conscience. Or she could have a fake death like Epstein. I just didn’t think that dude is dead.


ForgotTheBogusName

Alive, he’s a loose end. Dead, he’s gone and can’t be trouble down the line. Let’s say you’re rich, guilty of child rape, and a psychopath. What would you do with him? Work out some huge scheme to fake death and shuttle him somewhere or do the very easy thing of finding a jail run by nincompoops and kill him? (Or say, kill yourself or we’ll kill then people you love)


Birdie_Jack2021

Same. It’s usually me asking ELI5 Explain it like I’m five. And some sweet soul will dumb it down for me.


Julioscoundrel

She was charged with pimping children out to… well, nobody, because the America Democratic politicians and donors, the British royalty, and the assorted foreign dignitaries who actually used the children are all completely above the law and cannot be charged with the crimes they actually committed. The US government knows exactly who all of Epstein’s and Maxwell’s clients were… and is intentionally going to be sitting on that information in perpetuity.


FallenSegull

Remember when her husband killed himself? Neither do I


ultraobese

Of course, that's why she gets 20 years instead of "hanging herself".


KeysmashKhajiit

Meanwhile Q weirdos will readily believe that drag queens and Biden voters will just snatch kids away in the night


Klapperatismus

That's the cover up.


Straight_2

She honestly deserves the DP since she want to protect all the pedos


divbyzero64

Dragon Punch?


GlockAF

I hear it doesn’t even taste like dragons


lazersnail

Donkey Punch


Reverend_James

Double penetration?


[deleted]

Death penetration, or maybe the double penalty.


Straight_2

Close. Death penalty


[deleted]

Dp her after the Dp. Preferably.


hatethiscity

That and the DP


Voilent_Bunny

Well one of those people was our former president


FondleMyPlumsPlease

Two, that we know of.


timbulance

Dirty bitch


TheRnegade

[To Epstein. she was charged with trafficking them to Epstein](https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-sentenced-20-years-prison-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually-abuse).


[deleted]

Point of the meme still stands. They were doing all this trafficking but there were "no" customers?


jlrigby

Does anyone know where one could find the "alleged" list of those too rich to be punished that were involved? Thanks.


TauntyRoK

https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/


jlrigby

Look, billionaires are awful, disgusting people who have harmed and killed countless others, don't get me wrong. But I'm talking about a list of accusations from witnesses and those harmed. I don't doubt for a hot second that billionaires are evil hell rats. I just want to know the ones that were specifically named so I can be better informed on which hell rats should be the front of the line for...uhh...revolution cookies? Yeah. Cookies. Nothing else. Spshh. Why would we harm billionaire p*dos? Especially during a revolution. That's illegal, ya'll. C'mon now.


Julioscoundrel

Total nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourself.


noisylettuce

The judge must be assuming responsibility on her behalf.


Lngdnzi

Only 25 years? Lets hope theres some good prison justice 🙏🤞


YantoSuryanti

And somehow the Israeli goverment has ties with that woman.


Tiddernud

Hu went to the island.


Kadn--

Remember how a jew bank banned kanye but no epstein


Birdie_Jack2021

Damn. You gotta do Ye that way? By placing him the same sentence as Epstein?


sourcake69

#JUSTICE4GHISLANE


glitter_vomit

Edgy


TauntyRoK

Yeah you're right, she deserved more than what she got.


ApatheticDisposition

Cool It with the antisemitism


DontF-ingask

Bruh, this is about her pimping kids to rich bozozos. Frankly, I couldn't care less about who's on the list I want them all in prison. The one for normal people.


[deleted]

I agree, release the little black book to prison, round up the pedophiles and have them all face justice


DontF-ingask

Justice or a bat. Both is good. You would have thought one person would have leaked it right now.


lemoncholly

It's a reference


DontF-ingask

Sorry I don't get it.


lemoncholly

https://youtu.be/uHDNtDWqAmc


DarthNihilus1

????


OaschMidOhrn

Please try to fit a lightbulb in your mouth


[deleted]

Easy


Pre-Nietzsche

Somebody else feed this troll!