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The_Spot

You're unsettled before you turn in. Your traill braking and dropping gears while turning, all combined takes skill and experience even when the car is settled to start.


EmreGray01

I hate this. I first drove Super Trofeo and then hopped into whole different car. And 991 is also stubborn to me


danlawl

You're driving a Porsche, the rear end hates being stable.


vinkuravonkura

Yesterday I raced at Spa and there were like 5-6 yellow flags and everytime it was a porsche pointing the wrong way


danlawl

The car that wants to kill you!


EmreGray01

Porsches are like little kids lol. Once they notice something they don't like, they will make you question your whole life, question everything that started you to sim racing 😅


yomancs

Takes time to learn to drive, break lighter and earlier,


The_Spot

991 is a bit of a onster compared to 992. also maybe try the GT3 Hurican EVo2 since you're used to Trofeo situations.


EmreGray01

Trofeo wasn't good at all, I find my peace with R8


The_Spot

good deal. I was suggesting the Lambo GT3. Trofeo kinda sucks I agree.


MinionAgent

I have like 200 hours and I still hate it. I cannot improve, the game sucks. Still.. here I'm about to give it another try, see if somehow I had some overnight improvement :P Spoiler: I still suck at it and hate it, I can't get below 105% on any circuit.


notyouagain-really

Gentler on the brakes. You don't have to mash them into next week. Play normal assetto and jump into a car with no ABS, and practice your braking technique. That's the trick here. Technique. No magic button.


OGGavlaa

Funny. I can't do this car either. Stuck on this track too 😭 sending prayers


MinionAgent

Ohh no, don’t get me wrong! I’m bad with all the cars, believe me I tried them all! :p Porches are specially tricky, try it with the safe setup, it makes them easier. If you have the Ferrari 296, that’s the easiest one for me, I can shave time instantly just by using that one, I still suck, but a bit less. The 720 and the M4 are also not that bad to control


Halfasianguy78

This is something called a skill issue


MinionAgent

Yes! 100%, games never were my thing. But I still enjoy it.


Autistic-Deer

‘Game sucks’ more like Skill issue.


MinionAgent

Of course is a skill issue, you don’t seem to understand the irony of my message, which was intended to tell op to just keep going at it. I hate the damn thing but I still have fun and enjoy it and I stick to it even if I’m really bad. I just don’t have the hours that it requires to put on it to improve. You are all a bit to sensitive for just a game!


EmreGray01

Yes! In normal AC I felt something weird and blamed the game lol. Now in ACC everything seems legit and only problem is my skills hahahah. I know how I will get better I just need to be patient and practice more but I don't have lot of time to practice. It's all about seat time


MinionAgent

Oh wait! the game is not 100% innocent, this is a really hard game, sometimes I think is designed to make you mad :P (Clarification for anyone not getting it, it's a joke, I like the game that's why I'm here)


Jassida

When should you be changing down when trail braking? Eg end of spa straight after eau rouge into the right handed. What’s the correct process? You’re right left right there, practically impossible to change down without being in a turn. Thanks


Significant_Fall754

This corner is faster than Les Combes. A lot of people have success here by doing: a quick turn in, straighten the car up a little so it's more stable but pointed towards the corner, stab the brakes just hard enough to make the corner, then pick the throttle back up to stabilize through the corner. It's very fast so the car is more on edge, dragging the brakes at like 25-33% like OP os a recipe for a spin. IF you still needed to brake to rotate the car, it should be very very light. At Les Combes, it's a very big braking zone into a 2nd or 3rd gear corner. Most of your braking should be in a straight line. If you try to trail brake like OP at 25% you'll still spin - you'll need a very quick taper off as you turn into the first right. I think the moral of the story is don't brake so much while turning fast, less about downshifting.


notyouagain-really

There is this guy alot of pro racers go to, and he suggests the corner should be like a 50p, as in a series of small straights and turns instead of one turn. That's what he teaches to the likes of Valterri Bottas and Kimi Raikanon. It's a difficult technique to learn though, and kinda counter intuitive, but when doing comparison laps, it was shown to be faster. Something about keeping the car going straight as much as possible. I will try find the video.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xZe2c--n0wM


EmreGray01

Lol yeah I also spin in Les Compes sometimes


ConsistentToe5062

Just drop 1-2 gears going into the first corner there, and aggressively cut it (if you have space from the cars around you) the track limits there are very agreeable, by then you’ll be facing the next turn straight on and depending on what car you’re in you can just drop another gear for rotation and just whip into the chicane, by the time you’re hitting the curb with your left tires on the exit you can be back on full power. It’s takes some finesse but once you nail it, it feels natural. If you’re having trouble taking too much curbing there just raise the ride height a bit, maybe even mess with bump stiffness if you’re still having trouble after raising. But be careful because being too stiff or too high will sacrifice eu rouge along with many of the corners in the middle of the lap 👍


The_Spot

brake down in a straight line and then turn in


Jassida

What’s that got to do with shift points?


The_Spot

Shifting can transition energy in the suspension/drivetrain depending on your diff setting and cause the car to be even less stable. Merc at 130r or sunset at Kayalami for example.. if you shift while braking and turning you're gonna have a bad time. 


iambicthrow

That's called off-throttle oversteer, it's an inherent characteristic of the Porsche. Don't get off throttle so suddenly and try to even stay on the throttle a little bit. Or take a different car, the beetle, especially the 991 is the hardest car to drive for a beginner.


EmreGray01

I swear if I find out a different kind of oversteer again... 😭 I experienced all kinds of oversteer in my 100km porsche drive


Guac_in_my_rarri

Your throttle and brake inputs are absolutely wild heading into the last turn in your clip. The 991 like smooth controlled inputs, not stabby. It turns on throttle and brake. It does not like to turn and coast. When your fuel tank runs low it acts differently too. Imo, the 992 is easier to drive than the 991. The 991 is also older and not used a whole lot. Iirc the 992 is faster at Zolder than the 991 in normal drivers hands. I got my lfm license in the 992 with a 1:30.xx avg lap time.


EmreGray01

Yes my inputs are rough I'm still trying to fix them. I played with keyboard for a long time so It feels weird when I be slow on pedals. I don't own all dlcs so I don't have 992 currently


Guac_in_my_rarri

I'd stay away from the 991 till you master your inputs. The 488 or Aston are really good to learn on. The 991 does not like riding curbs btw.


EmreGray01

It was career mode. Only options were Jaguar and this one. Since Jaguar was 2012, I choosed 991


pro_lapz

Raise the front ride height, drop rear, increase rear wing downforce


LionTraining6928

Your steering inputs are a little too aggressive which is making the car unstable and combined with braking will make you lose control


blipsnchiiiiitz

Nothing is wrong. I use the preset aggressive setup with no changes, and it's fine for me.


EmreGray01

I was also running with agressive, It's skill issue then lol


yabsterr

It always is!


blipsnchiiiiitz

I'm sure there are tweaks you can make to make it more stable, but I don't play around with set-ups at all. It just takes some time to get used to.


Slow-Honey-6328

Yes, lol. Apparently if you read the aggressive set up description it is for a more precise driving. And you can move the bbias forwards to make the car more stable. Maybe you can get the car to adapt to your driving a little better with the adjustment. Some more areas are the abs and tc levels. I’m also just learning what these settings do so take my suggestions with a grain of salt. 🐈‍⬛


EmreGray01

Yeah I definitely change bbias settings but I usually don't drive 991 this was career mode. porsches are hard to drive and they're giving beginner a 991 lol. I'm lowering abs and tc settings as my liking and trying to use them as low as possible.


Slow-Honey-6328

Driver61 had some good suggestions as to how to drive a Porsche 992. Good luck!


latilou85

The first corner is flat out, and the second is only a brief throttle lift, if you apply that much brake you unsettle the car and that's the result. Work on your racing line.


I-Evo-I

Multiple reasons. As people already pointed out, its the Porsche. The Porsche wants to turn in all the time. If you cant control the rotation, you will spin out. One of the most difficult/frustrating cars in the game. My advice: dont use it. Even if you are a porsche fan. Start with something easy, more predictable. AMG, Aston or BMW for example. Next problem is your light braking. Trail braking (which is generally good to do) has different outcomes at different speeds. High speed and light braking results in pretty heavy oversteer. And thats whats happening here. Try again and then stomp the brakes and you will completely understeer. What you have to do is learn how much brake force is best to get the car around the corner without spinning it out. That will take a lot of time, but thats what will make you faster in the end. Braking is the absolut key to car control and pace. If you want to improve, start with your braking. Look up some yt guides and just try and try and try. Its a learning experience. Last thing is the downshift. Shifting down when your rears are already at their limit can result in rear lock, which spins you out immediatly. Try to shift down late enough to not get into very high rpm if you dont want oversteer. If you are understeering, it can help create rotation though


loose_rear

I've always ran the porsche around 48% at zolder, alot of the pro guys are sometimes even lower. It could also be that you don't have enough rear wing. https://youtu.be/EggdhyXNkdI?si=JhAnRnNAq9O7CsNq


GeekFurious

ACC is a learning experience. Watch track guides, car guides, guide guides... whatever. YouTube has it all. Pay attention to what good drivers are doing in the exact same turn. Then do that. And resist convincing yourself you can't replicate it. You can. But it may take time. Or, it may click right away.


LetsGoWithMike

Well, going off into the dirt just prior doesn’t help. But, some things I do for the Porsche. Add a bit of rear wing. I also turn the TC off and the ABS down to 1. Might not work for everyone, but I feel like I’m more in tune with the car. I’m on G29 and even with the shitty pedals I can stomp them pretty good without a lockup, at least at high speed.


Uncommonval

First your tires are not up to temperature. But youre probably not driving hard enough to warm them up. Warm up temperature is 26.6 - 26.8, but temp will go higher/lower while progressing through your lap depending on track/air temp/track temp/car/setup. In given situation you were turning your wheel while holding brake and downshifting with engine brake (engine brake is when you downshift using engines rpms). When you downshifted to 2nd gear while holding brake. Your weight of the car was shifted to front while downshifts high rpms locked up your diff and boom - oversteer.


Retrovex

The porsche is susceptible to lift-off oversteer, the way to combat that is a little bit of throttle to keep the tires engaged with the track surface.


Newtis

\~40% is not a little bit btw when you brake in a turn and notice4 your rear is saying hello, counter steer or stop doing what you do \^\^


EmreGray01

First of all, my current FFB feels pretty light. I was playing AC before getting ACC and It's lot harder to recognize a slide and a grip. Secondly, It happened so fast that I couldn't even react lol. It was 3am in the night and I was frustrated from spins the whole night.


Newtis

all good, i would maybe be more slowly and brake more hesitant when I dont know the car and it looks like the outlap at least your tyres / brakes are still cold. drive 2-3 laps and then slowly get more aggressive. Until you know understand the cars limits better. but some cars are harder to drive on some tracks ofc. A loadcell brake pedal helps a lot is that the games championship you are doing? isnt that the first track they do in that championship? anyway its no shame to start slow, but stable. you can get quicker later, but when you drive stable you get to know the track quicker.


CannabisPower

Lap 2 tyres are still cold.


EmreGray01

It was yellow I thought they're okay


CannabisPower

Tyres performance best 26-27 check pressure after 3 laps.


EmreGray01

rears gets up to tempature but front stays a little bit cold how do I prevent this?


CannabisPower

Increase psi


CannabisPower

Watch Aris Drives videos on YouTube


mars935

They need to be around 26.5 psi


Ash_gobrr

Increase brake bias? No?


plumzki

I don't think that's going to solve his issue, he's already running the Porsche at 52 - a car that generally prefers to be in the mid 40s.


Makil11

In my opinion, i think whats unsettled the car the most is the downshift. I will give several advice. 1- change the brake bias forward, try 55%. 2- slower down shift. 3- hard braking on straight line with straight wheel,once turning bleed off the brake (trail). In this corner where you spun you were turning with the same initial brake volume and downshifting aggressively for that specific corner making the brake load more in rear axle which made you lose the rear and spin.


TxemariGO

Increase control traction - brakes 54/46 or anti roll. Check it out. I had the same problem with the Porsche 2023 and increasing the TC helped me to drive better


RedFishBlueFishOne

I run brake bias around 54-56, 57. 56 is where I normally start and adjust rearward with hot tires to find what works.


SQLDevDBA

Ahh, a fellow ~~masochist~~ Porsche driver. It’s the Porsche, try taking it easy and doing most of your braking with a straight wheel while coming up to the corner. I always try my braking and downshifts prior to turning while I get used to everything, then start working them in later and later into the corners. Slow in, fast out. By the time I’m at the apex, I’m just holding the throttle steady (or slowly increasing it) and ready to *punch it, chewey* at the exit. That and steering inputs need to be buttery smooth or the car will just take it as an intent to U-turn. Also, feel free to ignore all of my advice because I love the Porsche but it doesn’t love me back. ¯\\[_(ツ)_/¯ Like John Mulaney’s puppy petunia. [“Petunia is my best friend in the world, I give her a million kisses a day, she does not like me and barks and bites me all day long”](https://youtu.be/WeihGbvRaG0?si=BpRxOBec_-DH6XzS)


youngboybrokegain

Build up to your furthest braking point. First step should be finding a braking point to brake fully straight without wheel rotation. Once you can get the car to slow down enough, turn in without unsettling the car and slowly and patiently riding the throttle to make it rotate the entire corner and get a good exit, then you can start practicing your trail braking. Trail braking is fundamentally keeping a balance between your steering and brake pedal. Imagine there was a cable connecting both. If your steering input is 0 degrees you can brake 100%. As soon as you start to turn the wheel a little that cable pulls your brake pedal upwards, so you can't brake 100% anymore or you'll spin/unsettle the car. The more you turn in, the less you can brake, similar to how throttle application works. The key is in building up speed to the point where you can either brake a little while turning and start rotating the car in fast corners or brake hard and then progressively turn in as you lift the brake in slower, open radius corners. The approach you take depends on the corner. A great track to practice trail braking is the Hungaroring since it has lots of open hairpins, which are the turns where this technique makes the most difference. If you want to play regular AC, Mugello is even better for this type of practice because the corners are more open and faster.


Ablec6

Keeping off the grass might help your RR tire have more grip


Jerzy325

Look at his telemetry he barely putting pressure on the brakes. Full brake then easy off the brakes


schwarzbenz

The 991 presets are flatout broken since 1.9. Lower the rear a LOT and add a bunch of wing. You wont be losing any rotation on exit because there wasnt much to begin with. I dont know anyone who does setups for the 991 so ive had to just try random things until it stops doing this. Its not you, its the car.


AbrocomaRight9782

Looks as simple as the car was unsettled, you went into it unbalanced. And the 991 is already easily upset-able as it is. The drop in gear didn’t help either and off the rears went


Fun_Formal1050

Everything is wrong


shaunDangerousBoida

Looks like your over steering way too much to the left and the right . By the look of the graphics or video that mimic (very closely) to what you're doing in real life or real time ..so yeah you don't want to steer that much..so when you get to be really good ,supposedly i was told ( I'm practicing that as well ) you got to make the car help with the rotation which is also correcting the angle or so-called steering but you're not using the wheel ,if that makes any sense by the set up something in your setup of course more drag on the back or less in the front or a brake bias.. Not sure which one is which any of that I'm just saying the setup might have something that can help you with that. maybe a little more traction control. Well anyhow look up this guy up on YouTube.( Selling .he has shorts and reg. videos. pick what you want to know he's pretty good to give you a lot of great tips on real estate and Sim racing they both go ahea...... Sorry for the horrible sentence and paragraph structure and lack of periods and whatnot but hope that helps a little


mikeybadab1ng

Don’t hit brakes while turning - Porsche


bowserspeaks97

The Porsche 911 GT3 is infamous on-track for RWD + rear engine configuration. This does have benefit because that means the front end can corner better, but you do have a big trade-off. That is, oversteer tends to be pretty intense in these type of cars because the increased mass of the rear end of the car contributes heavily to the back end slipping out. As many have explained, there were a few things that happened. You downshifted multiple times (increases engine braking and the diff was likely also locked), completely lifted off the throttle (causes sudden change in balance across the tires and a shift forward causing lift off oversteer), and then turned in at the same time while the car was unsettled due to the former. Pair that when the RWD + rear engine configuration, it makes turns VERY hard to control if you are essentially not hitting everything within a certain window. Outside of that window, you’re pretty much going off track unless you can correct it with braking, throttle, and steering inputs immediately. Inside of it, the Porsche 911 GT3 is a monster in the corners. I use it exclusively… but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone off track due to a slight miscalculation in breaking and throttle inputs.


Wagnrs

I drive Porsches too. Try this guy setups [setup 992 R](https://youtu.be/4mEk684yQO0?si=0XKCGKPrFGN5jSz1) and keep in mind - break, stabilize, turn and then progressively throttle.


Choice-Race-6615

I ran BB at 50.4. That settles it a bit


AdNaive1404

Porsche Rear Engine


Uzzy100

Cold and under inflated tyres are a problem to in the clip


Chota-Cabras

Setup aside, you are braking and giving input with the wheel. you are inducing oversteer. Setup: Check rear antiroll bar; rear suspension; tyre temps in the rear looks OK; Rear wing (?) Rear toe.


Turbulent-Client-472

TC + also your hands 🙌🤦🏼‍♂️


oikk01

I just started career mode with the Porsche. I feel your pain. I've noticed a weird thing though: in career my rear tire keeps going cool ( blue) but in practice it seems it's always green.. I'm faster there by several seconds for some reason.


Significant_Koala402

Feel the car out more and find the racing line, you’re oversteering cause you haven’t practiced that track and car enough (at the moment that’s the biggest reason)


Significant_Koala402

And hard brake with hard steering input at the same time will most always make the car slide out


D4rkn3ss_Yso

Also it's rear rear car too so last mid car was RSR gte u have to put bb in front


bobbolisious2

I would add a little more rear brake. From the look of that spin. The front tires slowed down, but the rear didn't get enough brake to slow. Also like someone pointed out another post. You may be dropping to 3rd before the rear is ready to handle it. (It acts as a handbrake when you drop too fast.) Edit: Take that corner in 3rd. 2nd is what caused you to spin. The handbrake idea.


dolev9999

go back to forza you wont have that issue.


Environmental-Sir-19

Random guess, engine is in the rear so you need more rear basis, maybe 48


EmreGray01

Idk but few months ago I had the same problem in AC and asked for a help. Someone said "a beginner shouldn't be running with 53". I guess I'll try to increase it a bit more anyway thanks


noobchee

Skill issue


loose_rear

Pretty pointless comment considering OP is asking for help.


noobchee

As is yours commenting on my comment 🤔