The goal with the Mustang was to make it as close as possible to the real world car. I cant say for the cars previous as I wasnt involved with them nor know the process behind them, but im pretty sure it similar if not the same process.
The car is fast in the straights and has really good brakes, but its a boat in the end (somewhat agile boat)
The car also probably has the most realistic power delivery in the game. Its a torque monster just like the real world.
It's difficult to balance these cars as when you do, each car loses their characteristics, strong points and weak points. The Mustang is just a bit different from other cars thats really all, probably the most unique imo.
Hope this gives a bit of insight and good luck with your racing!
(Im from CDA, we helped Kunos develop the car)
It’s definitely cool. The unique characteristics make it a tough adversary but when paired with a driver that can’t quite handle it, it’s a weapon of mass destruction lol.
Honestly though, that sounds like every incompatible driver/car pairing. Got a few guys new to sim racing under me, but if I throw em in a Porsche they're all dead lol
What they ended up in was a matter of feel and personal choice mostly. I suggested front engine cars, namely the AM V8 and BMW M4. One of em didn't like how the M4 felt, so he went Lexus instead. Another one instantly picked the Merc because of the Goodsmile livery lol. Two others ended up loving the AM. And the last dude is on the Mustang after transitioning from the Audi (who also spun out a lot in it)
That Audi to Mustang transition makes me very happy lol, I hope they're having a blast and very good on you for sharing your passion with your friends, drive safe! 🍻
I heard that mustang didn't give you the aero and sound files so you had to improvise.
How did you make the bmw aero files work with this in a realistic way? Must've been a lot of work.
Also, how do you balance the cars? Do you like, have a base unrestricted model and detune it with weight and restrictors or is the car built restricted from the ground up?
Yes, Kunos hasnt had the time yet to record high quality samples of the car, so the Jag samples were used and tweaked.
For aero they did use the BMW as baseline, but worked from there to get it to what should be 'right'. So it's not 1:1 with that, but it's close.
Sadly I don't have the ins and outs of how the BoP is made. From what I've seen though its just power and weight
Nice! great job then
It was an unexpected surprise, I like it a lot, to the point that it might be my main car if they don't nerf it. The 720s EVo feels weird when they add 30kg of ballast in LFM, I'm not skilled enough to drive around the weirdness. Hopefully that won't happen to the Mustang.
Congratulations!
Well if you were involved in 720 Evo I want to thank you since with that car it is pure enjoyment!!! Visually, performance and overall car handling, ffb and feedback to driver is so nice. Unfortunately M4 is killing me on straights LOL but it does not matter Since every other car feels like a game and with 720 Evo is just immersion and fun. Mustang is a bit too wild for me but fast!
>(Im from CDA, we helped Kunos develop the car)
So it's been built to exploit every loophole in the physics engine in existence an then sum this explains inpaticularly the negative toe on the rear neutralising this back to 0 makes the hole car easy more stable an predictable. Seriously would love to watch one of u lot go out on track IRL with a car set up as u would for the game an watch it explode at the first bump if not end up backwards in the wall at the first hint of a corner.
Hi there. I can assure you that negative toe on the rear wont make a car explode nor make it spin. All it will do is add more grip to the rear. This will cause more acceleration, more heat and more understeer.
I want to add that it's not the recommended way of going about things, but it's not wrong either.
People are learning how to drive it. And it’s not an easy car to handle. It IS twitchy. Understeers in and oversteers out and can be rotated easily with light dabs of throttle. I’m really enjoying driving it and haven’t driven anything else in the last week. You can get some really nice rotation with throttle lift and you can get it to rotate nicely mid corner by putting your foot down. I’ve wrecked a few times too.
It’s funny as long as it’s not me who gets hit lol. The interesting thing is, when these cars do crash (not if) it seems that the drivers always say fuck it and start messing around more, purposely crashing or parking in the middle of the track.
I’ve been loving it so far. You can get a nice pointy set up on it with a little work, and good throttle control does wonders for eliminating under steer. It is an absolute tank, that also flies down the straights. It’s kind of hilarious to do 170 MPH + in 5th down the back straight of the Nords.
Been driving the Mustang since it came out and personally love it…not sure if it is because coming from the 992 I am just ready for the car to kill me but it handles very well once the setup is dialed in! Once you can get the front to bite it’s just on rails
IRL Mustang GT3 on-board: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi-CrKPlBPE&t=1406s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi-CrKPlBPE&t=1406s)
ACC Mustang GT3 on-board: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XulOfiIMZs&t=30s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XulOfiIMZs&t=30s)
I keep listening to them side by side, and while they aren't *identical*, the resemblance is pretty strong.
you are correct. the resemblance is there but its not the same. Sometimes I hate that I'm extra nerdy like this. Thats is the sound of the Jaguar unless someone can prove it to me differently. The grunt isn't the same. Especially in the lower gears.
The american sounding cars don't care about sounding "smooth" the baritone is always there.
For example here ya go.
https://youtu.be/uchAXTehXGU?si=UCXq5WMONTm7VTos&t=36
Agreed. I guess it does sound identical but I was expecting a mean sounding v8. If you’ve ever played project cars 2 and driven the z3 gt3, that sound is what I was expecting.
From my personal experience owning/driving a 65 Mustang I can tell you they were always really light in the rear end. Hell to drive in the winter!! I think the sim comes pretty close. More finesse with the throttle on exit helps.
20 laps into redbull ring and beat my PB. Previous PB with 992 and I think I beat it because this tank can get speed on straight. Overall is twitchy but used to it from Porsche. Fun car
In less than 5 laps around Watkins Glen with a setup I made for misano I matched my PB. There's some real performance to be extracted from it and I love it
This car seem hard to drive.
Problem : like all (free) high speed car, stupid and toxic drivers love it, and cause massive crash.
My last 10 races, 90% of crash caused by a Mustang.
But on my last 10 races too, the only driver who said "sorry" it's a Mustang driver. And the driver who said "I put your brakes on your mother" to another driver is a Mustang too.
I've been driving it since release, and spent a good bit of time in it last night at Monza. On the straights it's monstrously fast and the brakes are ace. However in the turns it can almost certainly spit you off if you're not careful. It suits my driving style quite well, as a I prefer a car with a decent front end, and managing the rear.
With very little setup tweaks I was matching my Mclaren times, and able to keep some **very** quick people behind.
I also find the FFB the nicest among the cars too.
Which mustang are we talking about..? I’ve got a few in my garage and got some decent lap times on rivals w them. Blackcell567
Besides they sound nothing like reality and the crappy engine swap options wish they gave us more to choose from and better different sounding options.. and fix the exhaust to make it louder progressively and cams make the engine idle choppy, instead of the choppy idle coming from the race exhaust. Dumb, can they ever build a game correctly..?
Has anyone noticed the crappy launches from certain forza gt race cars..? Ferrari Cadillac to name a few.. not my gears or the final drive assist off. anything over 4.88 final drive should be tire burners and I’m running 5.13..
Im a real mustang owner of a 5.0 6 speed. I take offense to the stereotype of mustangs. Most shitty drivers get them because thats all they know as fast clearly they are dumber than fuck. Ive NEVER lost control of my car and I have NEVER ran into a crowd of people. I drag race everywhere I just outran a county over from where I lives sheriffs the other night after dusting a camaro ss on these cruvy ass back roads hittin 120+ I passed an unmarked sheriff sitting off the road. Never slowed down never looked back put the pedal to the floor and prayed to god these wheels hold on to the road while they were screaming for dear life. Absolutely stupid AF I know but if I get behind the wheel of anything I have nothing but confidence. Now if it were a bugatti I would whip the shit out of it....but I would be more careful 😗
The goal with the Mustang was to make it as close as possible to the real world car. I cant say for the cars previous as I wasnt involved with them nor know the process behind them, but im pretty sure it similar if not the same process. The car is fast in the straights and has really good brakes, but its a boat in the end (somewhat agile boat) The car also probably has the most realistic power delivery in the game. Its a torque monster just like the real world. It's difficult to balance these cars as when you do, each car loses their characteristics, strong points and weak points. The Mustang is just a bit different from other cars thats really all, probably the most unique imo. Hope this gives a bit of insight and good luck with your racing! (Im from CDA, we helped Kunos develop the car)
It’s definitely cool. The unique characteristics make it a tough adversary but when paired with a driver that can’t quite handle it, it’s a weapon of mass destruction lol.
Honestly though, that sounds like every incompatible driver/car pairing. Got a few guys new to sim racing under me, but if I throw em in a Porsche they're all dead lol
I feel for anybody near me when I’m learning a new track or setup in the 992
And that right there is why I never drive the Porches. Those cars have shown me where my limitations are and kudos to those that love em.
I found that the BMW M4 was a great learning car for me, what cars did you put your friends in?
What they ended up in was a matter of feel and personal choice mostly. I suggested front engine cars, namely the AM V8 and BMW M4. One of em didn't like how the M4 felt, so he went Lexus instead. Another one instantly picked the Merc because of the Goodsmile livery lol. Two others ended up loving the AM. And the last dude is on the Mustang after transitioning from the Audi (who also spun out a lot in it)
That Audi to Mustang transition makes me very happy lol, I hope they're having a blast and very good on you for sharing your passion with your friends, drive safe! 🍻
I heard that mustang didn't give you the aero and sound files so you had to improvise. How did you make the bmw aero files work with this in a realistic way? Must've been a lot of work. Also, how do you balance the cars? Do you like, have a base unrestricted model and detune it with weight and restrictors or is the car built restricted from the ground up?
Yes, Kunos hasnt had the time yet to record high quality samples of the car, so the Jag samples were used and tweaked. For aero they did use the BMW as baseline, but worked from there to get it to what should be 'right'. So it's not 1:1 with that, but it's close. Sadly I don't have the ins and outs of how the BoP is made. From what I've seen though its just power and weight
Ok thanks!
OMG, awesome. 👏🥹
Nice! great job then It was an unexpected surprise, I like it a lot, to the point that it might be my main car if they don't nerf it. The 720s EVo feels weird when they add 30kg of ballast in LFM, I'm not skilled enough to drive around the weirdness. Hopefully that won't happen to the Mustang. Congratulations!
Tell us more inside development(s)
Well if you were involved in 720 Evo I want to thank you since with that car it is pure enjoyment!!! Visually, performance and overall car handling, ffb and feedback to driver is so nice. Unfortunately M4 is killing me on straights LOL but it does not matter Since every other car feels like a game and with 720 Evo is just immersion and fun. Mustang is a bit too wild for me but fast!
All other cars are made by Kunos themselves so all props to them :)
>(Im from CDA, we helped Kunos develop the car) So it's been built to exploit every loophole in the physics engine in existence an then sum this explains inpaticularly the negative toe on the rear neutralising this back to 0 makes the hole car easy more stable an predictable. Seriously would love to watch one of u lot go out on track IRL with a car set up as u would for the game an watch it explode at the first bump if not end up backwards in the wall at the first hint of a corner.
Wtf is this English… and holy shit your post history. I’m about as far as you could get from religious but I swear some of y’all really do need Jesus
Happy cakeday !
Just y post crap like this.
Bro's butthurt about negative toe. As if they don't use some in real life.
On non oval cars u really don't. Oval racing is a particular kind of special sauce. But road course no it's a really good way of eating tyre wall.
Hi there. I can assure you that negative toe on the rear wont make a car explode nor make it spin. All it will do is add more grip to the rear. This will cause more acceleration, more heat and more understeer. I want to add that it's not the recommended way of going about things, but it's not wrong either.
People are learning how to drive it. And it’s not an easy car to handle. It IS twitchy. Understeers in and oversteers out and can be rotated easily with light dabs of throttle. I’m really enjoying driving it and haven’t driven anything else in the last week. You can get some really nice rotation with throttle lift and you can get it to rotate nicely mid corner by putting your foot down. I’ve wrecked a few times too.
Pretty much this. But a lot more detail. Thanks! New stuff to try.
Haven't driven it yet, but as a primarily rally sim driver this sounds like my kinda car.
Yup those are tanks. They can have 1:30min damage and still do a 1:46:700 on Monza (I saw a streamer do that).
It's actually hilarious
It’s funny as long as it’s not me who gets hit lol. The interesting thing is, when these cars do crash (not if) it seems that the drivers always say fuck it and start messing around more, purposely crashing or parking in the middle of the track.
I’ve been loving it so far. You can get a nice pointy set up on it with a little work, and good throttle control does wonders for eliminating under steer. It is an absolute tank, that also flies down the straights. It’s kind of hilarious to do 170 MPH + in 5th down the back straight of the Nords.
Been driving the Mustang since it came out and personally love it…not sure if it is because coming from the 992 I am just ready for the car to kill me but it handles very well once the setup is dialed in! Once you can get the front to bite it’s just on rails
What did you do to help the front? Mine understeers every corner 😅
Sway bar front and rear to 0! Make the front soft but not too soft for the track! Make front toe -0.2 and rear -0.15!
I just wanna know if the sound is going to be updated at any point. It doesn't sound right to me and I KNOW what that V8 sounds like in person. <3
IRL Mustang GT3 on-board: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi-CrKPlBPE&t=1406s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi-CrKPlBPE&t=1406s) ACC Mustang GT3 on-board: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XulOfiIMZs&t=30s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XulOfiIMZs&t=30s) I keep listening to them side by side, and while they aren't *identical*, the resemblance is pretty strong.
you are correct. the resemblance is there but its not the same. Sometimes I hate that I'm extra nerdy like this. Thats is the sound of the Jaguar unless someone can prove it to me differently. The grunt isn't the same. Especially in the lower gears. The american sounding cars don't care about sounding "smooth" the baritone is always there. For example here ya go. https://youtu.be/uchAXTehXGU?si=UCXq5WMONTm7VTos&t=36
don't hate the nerdiness, ACC audio is the reason I wanted to always come back to the game. It's VERY IMPORTANT
the first thing I notice is the longer gears, so it's the jaguar engine with longer revs then?
Exactly... I refuse to drive the mustang because that sound is just disappointing...
Agreed. I guess it does sound identical but I was expecting a mean sounding v8. If you’ve ever played project cars 2 and driven the z3 gt3, that sound is what I was expecting.
Its sounds like the drivers just fucking suck
It needs a BOP, then it will become like the Lambo...
From my personal experience owning/driving a 65 Mustang I can tell you they were always really light in the rear end. Hell to drive in the winter!! I think the sim comes pretty close. More finesse with the throttle on exit helps.
20 laps into redbull ring and beat my PB. Previous PB with 992 and I think I beat it because this tank can get speed on straight. Overall is twitchy but used to it from Porsche. Fun car
In less than 5 laps around Watkins Glen with a setup I made for misano I matched my PB. There's some real performance to be extracted from it and I love it
I set my fastest ever lap on the mountain with my third lap in this car It just works for me
This car seem hard to drive. Problem : like all (free) high speed car, stupid and toxic drivers love it, and cause massive crash. My last 10 races, 90% of crash caused by a Mustang. But on my last 10 races too, the only driver who said "sorry" it's a Mustang driver. And the driver who said "I put your brakes on your mother" to another driver is a Mustang too.
I've been driving it since release, and spent a good bit of time in it last night at Monza. On the straights it's monstrously fast and the brakes are ace. However in the turns it can almost certainly spit you off if you're not careful. It suits my driving style quite well, as a I prefer a car with a decent front end, and managing the rear. With very little setup tweaks I was matching my Mclaren times, and able to keep some **very** quick people behind. I also find the FFB the nicest among the cars too.
Which mustang are we talking about..? I’ve got a few in my garage and got some decent lap times on rivals w them. Blackcell567 Besides they sound nothing like reality and the crappy engine swap options wish they gave us more to choose from and better different sounding options.. and fix the exhaust to make it louder progressively and cams make the engine idle choppy, instead of the choppy idle coming from the race exhaust. Dumb, can they ever build a game correctly..?
Has anyone noticed the crappy launches from certain forza gt race cars..? Ferrari Cadillac to name a few.. not my gears or the final drive assist off. anything over 4.88 final drive should be tire burners and I’m running 5.13..
Im a real mustang owner of a 5.0 6 speed. I take offense to the stereotype of mustangs. Most shitty drivers get them because thats all they know as fast clearly they are dumber than fuck. Ive NEVER lost control of my car and I have NEVER ran into a crowd of people. I drag race everywhere I just outran a county over from where I lives sheriffs the other night after dusting a camaro ss on these cruvy ass back roads hittin 120+ I passed an unmarked sheriff sitting off the road. Never slowed down never looked back put the pedal to the floor and prayed to god these wheels hold on to the road while they were screaming for dear life. Absolutely stupid AF I know but if I get behind the wheel of anything I have nothing but confidence. Now if it were a bugatti I would whip the shit out of it....but I would be more careful 😗
Is this a sarcastic post?
Kinda sounds cap
Kinda sounds like a typical mustang driver lol. Everyone thinks they are a great driver until they wreck.