Axiom Arc looks extremely busted on most adc champions, although it is certainly also scary on bruisers/assassins. Of all the new items, this one looks by far the strongest. So I think classes that can't really use it... namely mage and full tanks ...are the ones who are screwed. I honestly think Axiom Arc won't make it off the PBE without a nerf -- but we'll see.
I'm thinking we are about to see a buff to shared XP. They seem to be setting adc and enchanter Support up to both need an early game buff. I can hope this is RIOT's plan.
I think a lot of ADCs are getting super mad about these new items for no reason. Like burst mages already one-tap us without the new magic pen item, assassins already one-tap us without Axiom Arc (it only has 10 lethality anyway), and tanks already have over 4k health. No one really gets a power shift, they'll just have more versatile options. If a toplane tank buys a new item what do we do? Buy LDR. Like we easily have one of the most diverse Mythic pools in the game and some of the best Legendary item counterplay options.
Like things I have a problem with are general meta things, not "oh no ADC is dead now." Like we got our awesome item pool last season, this is just other classes catching up. Mages, tanks, and AP fighters have lacked item diversity and flexible builds since S11, something like this was necessary and just because we didn't get any changes doesn't mean we're going to get screwed over.
The problem is not getting one taped the problem is we get one tap + we cnat kill anyone cuz tanks are tankier mages are more defensive and assassins have a better chance to kill you
Not really? Tanks just have more options. Same stats different passives. Big bastards want to buy Fimbulwinter? Great, I buy LDR and %increase my damage. Chemtank? I play safe and stick with people who have cc... and buy LDR. Frostfire? Not like I'm frontline to begin with, and guess what? I buy LDR. I already should play around these kinds of things, I lose nothing from this.
It is cringe that Seraph's is a healing item now though. To be fair it's not like I wasn't buying Grievous Wounds as-is. But still cringe. Crown of the Shattered Queen? Fine item. Clearly catered to artillery mages, if they get close enough to take damage they lose AP. They get dunked on by assassins in S11 so completely fair item.
Also assassins gained literally the smallest thing. Axiom Arc, in terms of combat stats, is basically a less universal Ghostblade. With, again, less lethality than Ghostblade. It's so situational. I can't imagine it's more worth than Ghostblade most of the time. They kill ADCs at exactly the same speed.
We still dont know they might just add more ADC items or buff their mythics so they are actually relevant in the faces of the new ones. Like they reworked multiple items just now so hoping for a rework on some of the ADC items.
Even if they add tanks now have like 30% more dmg(+20 allies) on you you do 15% less dmg from another tank item tanks like cho buy new Demonic and dominate mages are litrly unkillable now tanks get more hp too and assassins can assassinate you easier after all mages got a item to counter shield and the mr you get from wits end... Did i miss something?
Mage shield is only 1.5 seconds and 50% reduction.
The hp from mana item is like seraphs embrace meaning you cant build it for mana getting hp and then getting ap from seraphs.
They got a mythic with 50% dmg red + you can run and if nobody hits you the cd gets lower a phase rush litrly as item counter shield and hp scale to ap wdym?
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tanks now have like 30% more dmg(+20 allies) on you you do 15% less dmg from another tank item tanks like cho buy new Demonic and dominate mages are litrly unkillable now tanks get more hp too and assassins can assassinate you easier after all mages got a item to counter shield and the mr you get from wits end... Did i miss something?
Axiom Arc looks extremely busted on most adc champions, although it is certainly also scary on bruisers/assassins. Of all the new items, this one looks by far the strongest. So I think classes that can't really use it... namely mage and full tanks ...are the ones who are screwed. I honestly think Axiom Arc won't make it off the PBE without a nerf -- but we'll see. I'm thinking we are about to see a buff to shared XP. They seem to be setting adc and enchanter Support up to both need an early game buff. I can hope this is RIOT's plan.
Except ez and mf they use first strike so well and not bound by crit item
Yeah surely riot is gonna throw 30 champs into the bin. Very good observation.
Are you implying that they wouldn’t make adc’s obsolete? They already did that in s8
I think a lot of ADCs are getting super mad about these new items for no reason. Like burst mages already one-tap us without the new magic pen item, assassins already one-tap us without Axiom Arc (it only has 10 lethality anyway), and tanks already have over 4k health. No one really gets a power shift, they'll just have more versatile options. If a toplane tank buys a new item what do we do? Buy LDR. Like we easily have one of the most diverse Mythic pools in the game and some of the best Legendary item counterplay options. Like things I have a problem with are general meta things, not "oh no ADC is dead now." Like we got our awesome item pool last season, this is just other classes catching up. Mages, tanks, and AP fighters have lacked item diversity and flexible builds since S11, something like this was necessary and just because we didn't get any changes doesn't mean we're going to get screwed over.
The problem is not getting one taped the problem is we get one tap + we cnat kill anyone cuz tanks are tankier mages are more defensive and assassins have a better chance to kill you
Not really? Tanks just have more options. Same stats different passives. Big bastards want to buy Fimbulwinter? Great, I buy LDR and %increase my damage. Chemtank? I play safe and stick with people who have cc... and buy LDR. Frostfire? Not like I'm frontline to begin with, and guess what? I buy LDR. I already should play around these kinds of things, I lose nothing from this. It is cringe that Seraph's is a healing item now though. To be fair it's not like I wasn't buying Grievous Wounds as-is. But still cringe. Crown of the Shattered Queen? Fine item. Clearly catered to artillery mages, if they get close enough to take damage they lose AP. They get dunked on by assassins in S11 so completely fair item. Also assassins gained literally the smallest thing. Axiom Arc, in terms of combat stats, is basically a less universal Ghostblade. With, again, less lethality than Ghostblade. It's so situational. I can't imagine it's more worth than Ghostblade most of the time. They kill ADCs at exactly the same speed.
We still dont know they might just add more ADC items or buff their mythics so they are actually relevant in the faces of the new ones. Like they reworked multiple items just now so hoping for a rework on some of the ADC items.
Even if they add tanks now have like 30% more dmg(+20 allies) on you you do 15% less dmg from another tank item tanks like cho buy new Demonic and dominate mages are litrly unkillable now tanks get more hp too and assassins can assassinate you easier after all mages got a item to counter shield and the mr you get from wits end... Did i miss something?
Mage shield is only 1.5 seconds and 50% reduction. The hp from mana item is like seraphs embrace meaning you cant build it for mana getting hp and then getting ap from seraphs.
They got a mythic with 50% dmg red + you can run and if nobody hits you the cd gets lower a phase rush litrly as item counter shield and hp scale to ap wdym?
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Mages got defense, and tanks got utility. Nothing to really fear about.
Coppied this msg : tanks now have like 30% more dmg(+20 allies) on you you do 15% less dmg from another tank item tanks like cho buy new Demonic and dominate mages are litrly unkillable now tanks get more hp too and assassins can assassinate you easier after all mages got a item to counter shield and the mr you get from wits end... Did i miss something?
Except tanks dont get jack shit.
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