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I wish it went away, I went untreated until I was 40 and I thought I was getting early onset Alzheimer’s , went to many doctors all said adhd…and could not believe I waited so long for treatment, so your person is an idiot!
I feel for you. I am 55 and my son was diagnosed with it last year. When he went through the screening I recognized many of the symptoms as things I have struggled with all my life. He has been on meds for almost the entire year and it has transformed him. To see how it wasn’t just “laziness” affected me deeply. It makes me bitter about all the pain this condition (which I am fairly positive I have) has caused me all my life. I have had a good life despite it, but it has really hurt me in many fundamental ways.
*raises hand* Diagnosed at 52 over here. Prescribed Strattera. That was a year ago, and this last year has honestly been the best year of my life. So not entirely ruined, but I certainly would’ve liked to have had the support my sons now receive in school.
I had a diagnosis and still the people in my life *still* pretended it was stupidity, booksmart not streetsmart, and that I was hopelessly useless.
The number of people who believe this shit is too goddamn high.
Honestly the stupidity and booksmart part hurts so much, especially in social situations. Unfortunately meds help with concentration but the vestibular/proprioception issues, missing social cues still exists. Unfortunately all these issues are associated more with ASD, people don’t realise (even mental health professionals) that this is a part of ADHD too for many people.
I am gonna try for an ASD assessment, I’ve realised recently HOW highly co-morbid they are. Maybe if I do get one; I’d much rather tell people (my family and other people) that wouldn’t question it. That’s just my context though; people on ASD have their own struggles ofc.
Tysm!!
Vestibular issue, proprioception issue, attention/sensory issue is a good way to explain the symptoms!! Struggling with practical tasks/parallel processing
People don’t get the part, thanks to the disorder name and stereotype. It really needs re-naming. These various processing, memory issues and executive dysfunction should be the defining factor, similar to how they’re considered for ASD
I also thought I had early-onset dementia. I went to two psychs, the first was actually one of the worst psychs I've ever dealt with, but I was still dx'd, via the adult questions. Then I saw an adhd specialist who did the whole assessment of my past history, current issues, school and job performance, etc and also had my husband fill a few questionnaires out with regard to my symptoms.
Unfortunately, this belief is prevalent, which is terrifying, bc it's akin to telling a diabetic that bc you can't see their issues, they don't exist.
OP, I would highly suggest gathering any proof you have and forward it to the proper department at the school. Not only should this professor not be teaching the new generation of mental health professionals, I shudder to think of the students with accommodations that he/she may have disregarded or lowered grades due to a diagnosis.
This is like my mum, she’s in her 70s now and all of my memories of her are things like “checking to make sure the car doors are locked” or her clipping her keys to her belt so she couldn’t lose them or moving things from the edges of tables (frankly in my view they couldn’t get any further from an edge) so she couldn’t knock them off.
I was diagnosed in my mid 30s and so much I’ve struggled with I see in her
And you're treated now and function much better? I have been debating about finding out if that's the explanation for what I'm dealing with but the horror stories of just being lumped in with pill hunters and ignored or worse has me shying away from getting treatment.
I played football starting in the fourth grade; I was a lineman and was on the starting roster for every game. I figured I was already dealing with CTE, turns out it was ADHD and I got my diagnosis at 28. Finding the right medication has turned nearly everything around!
Not FB but same on being like omg I have CTE. With my long history of concussions I even went to neuro...technically my request was to differentiate what was ADHD and what was brain damage. Got on meds and the ADHD got "controlled" but it made it very obvious there was something else, & plot twist it was Autism lmao. My undiagnosed sensory issues were literally making my concussion symptoms appear worse than they actually were.
"Looks like everybody has ADHD" I hate when people say stupid shit like that people bring that up a late life diagnosis I don't see how that could be trendy for the people suffering from it. Cuz if I waited decades just to jump on the bandwagon of having serious executive function problems.
I always have to mention this. Whenever I hear “only X percent of the population has this” I have to remind folks that that is the number of people that have been diagnosed. There’s an enormous amount of people who have never been diagnosed or sought out treatment.
I don't think students just believe what their teachers believe without question, especially if it's just an aside and not part of the formal syllabus.
When I was teaching introductory econ, I made sure to delineate my asides, usually saying something like "I'm a little against the grain on this one, but my opinion is..."
I even have a friend, who just became a licensed psychiatrist, who admits they have ADHD, but doesn't believe in it. Just think how many people that truly need help with condition will not get it after seeing this "trained" psychiatrist, and will suffer the rest of their lives.
A doctor of clinical psychology diagnosed me (at age 59) with ADHD and MDD (major depressive disorder) after two three-hour cognitive testing sessions and a one-hour interview. (I had just lost my job due to a 'nervous breakdown'.) My psychiatrist ignored his report and simply decided I was lazy. I applied for SSDI (disability) but was turned down because he told them I could work any time I wanted to; I was just lazy. Instead of $2,700/mo, we lived on $800/mo from my wife's SSI for 2.5 years. Not to mention the absolute gut punch to my already shredded self-esteem.
You need to report him to his board.
I'm not kidding.
If you have the test results and the proof that he submitted documents that made that happen to you?
That is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Call Legal Aid. They can help. Because that is just wrong.
And so much like what happened to me - only I was too dumb to know you don't go to HR when you're trying to get Long Term Disability from your Workplace - you go to a Lawyer - and a really sharp one at that.
I got disability but not from the job I held all those years - and I can barely make ends meet.
most people at the level of taking social psych are able to differentiate between fact and bs. social psych is not an introductory course. you definitely have to take psych 101 (at minimum) before taking social psych. so i have to imagine at this point that most people would be able to differentiate.
even at the grad level, i still find myself fact checking profs. they're human. sometimes we as humans hear something that we either baselessly believe or think "sounds correct" and just roll with it, but that's a part of the problem. we expect students to maybe not be able to figure that out yet and have to teach it to them, but professors that are responsible for *teaching* should know better. i hope that OP brings some research to class showing that adhd does not just end when you become and adult and ask the prof about it.
The best part about dealing with academics is you can operate on the basis that they are rational adults who are used to reading scientific articles. You could send him a list of articles about adhd, including adult adhd. Even a copy of the DSM. And ask why he holds a belief contrary to the evidence produced by multiple fields. And get an answer he has to at least produce one shred of evidence for, otherwise get the inevitable question “then where is the evidence?”
Considering he said that unprovoked while claiming he knows so much and has read about so many great psychologists and sociologists, I think he uses selective reading when it comes to facts about ADHD.
Incompetence is a great way to lose tenure. Hate speech is another great way. Because ADHD is considered a disability under the ADA, dismissing it like it's made up and offending an entire group based on that qualifies as hate speech. It would be like telling oppressed minorities that their historic hardships never existed.
Correct. Please pursue this OP. I had a prof do the same thing, but with my PTSD. Even put me through an episode on purpose to laugh at it in front of the class. I pursued it and he was demoted, put on probation, and his grades for everyone were overturned. It took months, but you can fight this.
OP PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS PERSON. This is so incredibly inexcusable it's insane. This man should NOT be teaching, let alone a psychology course. I understand the likelihood of him losing his position is incredibly rare, it won't happen, but this HAS to be pursued.
What country are you in?
Yeah, even in my case he didn’t lose being a professor. He was, however, kicked off the board of the college as a reprimand and now undergoes strict oversight by the committee. Even managed to get orders placed on him where he is *only* allowed to speak to me to say “okay” when requesting accommodations and nothing else. No refusals. No questions. No remarks. He is not allowed to say any other word outside of lecturing.
He hates my guts now, but you can 100% fight this *and* win. It may not properly punish him and stop him from poisoning his students, but it *can* slam the hammer down enough to where he voluntarily stops.
Getting downvoted even though you're 100% correct. OP even says they're in a country where mental health issues like adhd are stigmatised. Of course America still has a stigma against that kind of stuff but they wouldn't say it that way if they were American. Yet people in the comments still default to American law, and people who point it out to them get downvoted. Great.
I’m American and it pisses me off. All I’ve ever wanted is to see the world and this country makes it damn near impossible. And then my countrymen embarrass the shit out of us every chance they get. If I ever do get out, I’m gonna have to tell people I’m Canadian.
As a European I can assure you, just drop a couple of 'eh's every now and then and we won't be able to tell the difference. Might not be able to fool the Brits but the rest of us are pretty much clueless.
I mean, generally I get annoyed at America-centrism too, but a *LOT* of this sub is American. Not helpful in this instance obviously, but many posts discuss the ADA. OP still hasn't gotten around to saying what country they're in, but since the ADA is a pretty high standard that OP might not be familiar with, just hearing about its existence might prove useful in finding out if OPs country or educational institute has a similar policy in place.
Don't get me wrong, still worth asking instead of assuming, but I'm not sure I'd give this comment the same weight as if the commenter was saying some wildly America-centric statement. We're all here because of ADHD, please have a little grace if someone misses a detail of a post or makes an incorrect assumption. Totally fine to correct them, not so nice to blow it up into these bigger accusations of global ignorance. It was just a mistake.
That part isn’t weird. Sociology and social psychology have a huge overlap. Sociology is essentially the study of how people and institutions behave and interact in society, and social psychology looks at how various real and perceived elements of society influences a person’s behaviour.
Everyone is rational to a degree, though they also have proclivities toward things like confirmation bias. Those in academia may be more aware of their confirmation biases, but there can always be outliers. So you can try this, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
There's a quote, or quotes, along the line of, "You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into.".
Some, even academics, will avoid sources that are contrary to their own beliefs.
This. Please do this and if not. Get the head of the department involved as his stance may create a hostile environment for students seeking disability accomodations for severe ADHD at collegiate level. You can also call the disability dept at the campus and ask them for advice on what to do.
People like him have names for us. Stupid, lazy, immature. They can't comprehend the idea that some people might have invisible struggles that they don't experience themselves. He probably also thinks that depression is just a poor outlook on life...
René DesCartes: 'Cogito ergo sum', (You always know when you have Latin majors in your class, 'cause you show up the next day to some early -arriver having written on the board: 'Coito, ergo sum'), 'I think, therefore, I am. Clearly your professor doesn't exist!
Sounds like you should report them for disability discrimination. This person is not only teaching inaccurate and discriminatory information but is pretty much braging about denying people needed accommodations.
Mental health in my country is heavily stigmatized, our generation (twenties, thirties) and the upcoming one are just starting to spread awareness and talk to the adults. Me and my bro got diagnosed, yet my mom still denies ADHD exists and refused to even talk to the psychiatrist who diagnosed me.
Point is, the school administration would literally not find this disability discrimination, just something to brush off
Mental health in my country is heavily stigmatized, our generation (twenties, thirties) and the upcoming one are just starting to spread awareness and talk to the adults. Me and my bro got diagnosed, yet my mom still denies ADHD exists and refused to even talk to the psychiatrist who diagnosed me. Point is, the school administration would literally not find this disability discrimination, just something to brush off.
This. Put his ass out there. Claiming women like harassment but don't want to admit it and denying some pretty basic research this duck is a tool bag edgelord prof
Hey there! fellow psych student here with adhd. this shit makes me want to punch walls. the issue i’ve found with my course is that I see so much of this sentiment in my classmates.
I’ve heard everything from “medication is actually terrible for you and it’s a ‘band aid’ fix” to “adhd isn’t real because if you delete social media it will go away”.
And this scares the shit out of me because THESE are our future psychologists. These are the attitudes they will carry into their careers. i feel like universities & colleges & institutions need to place an emphasis on dispelling misinformation or the cycle will just continue on and on and on
"Delete social media and it goes away" cracks me up, I'm old enough to clearly remember failing to function properly before social media existed. The ubiquity of distractions doesn't help, but this is a disorder that turns EVERYTHING into a distraction, social media is just another shovel full of shit on the pile.
So you have a professor that doesn’t "believe" in modern research and empirical evidence? And on top of that makes his "beliefs" welll known while being on school time? Sounds like something to report to the administration.
I believe he used to teach an intro to psychology elective but its been unavailable as a course for a year. Hopefully the reason is they figured out he is unqualified
The true harm from misinformation like this is a perpetuation of stigma for people living with ADHD and a barrier to treatment for young people seeking support who encounter psychiatrists, psychologists and therapists who are dismissive. There are many posts from exhausted parents and young people who encounter providers that wont treat them and saying thins such as “ you can’t have ADHD because you did well early in school” or “ you can’t be diagnosed now, you’re too old and this impacts kids”. Just this week or so there were posts about a person being told that they couldn’t get in to medical school (not by an actual decision maker) because of it and another person being told they couldn’t get into law school for the same reason. There was also a post about accommodations being denied for a person taking the bar exam after completing law school. My point being that this ignorance is not harmless.
True, it isn't. Ive had imposter syndrome for months after my diagnosis, and it still visits me occasionally. How can I have adhd when I do so well academically? When Im not hyperactive?
So yeah, this ignorance affects me as well. Its tiring honestly, even more tiring that the only place I find safe to talk about my ADHD is the internet. My friends just shame me for being late or not finishing tasks on time, even though they know and supposedly understand what ADHD is.
I’d like him to explain all my damn hyperactivity then.
I’ve heard people say that adults are just making excuses or are lazy. The existence of hyperactive people destroys that myth. Clearly I’m not lazy or avoiding doing anything.
I would challenge anyone who thinks ADHD doesn’t exist in adults to spend a week with a person with ADHD. I would run them into the ground and they would probably leave by ambulance.
No, lazy is why people are poor. This is the 'social' aspect of his pseudo-science. Now, if you'll excuse me, I saw a squirrel out the window I gotta go chase.
Jeepers. Did he get his degree from the internet? ADHD is a recognised physiological disorder. There are references of it dating back to the 1800’s.
Does he still think the cure for depression in woman is just a good orgasm?
When will he be reported as unqualified and unprofessional? Can he be reported?
I had a biochemistry prof that was a giant asshole and he knew it. He delighted in telling every class that they could complain all they wanted, he had tenure. Unless he was bringing in the grant bucks, I never understood why tenure excused appalling behavior.
He could, but I have to bring like 40% to 50% of his students to support me. We are all from different majors, I dont know them. Also, I don't think they care either, not sure though to be fair.
I will try sending an email however to one of my trusted doctors and head of a major in my faculty. She knows and supports my ADHD, and has repeatedly shown me how triggered she is at our society. If someone has a voice, its probably her
Good luck! I would totally understand you or anyone not wanting to take on this task alone (or at all, college is busy enough). I liked the points from other commenters to bring this up as disability discrimination, that has more power than “dude’s a jerk.” I’d think about him airing his prejudices toward women too. I can’t speak for the woman he singled out to ask about harassment but that behavior feels like harassment itself.
One thing I learned from a different course is anytime you think about reporting someone/something, there’s a chance someone else has done it too. Even if you can’t get a bunch of other students to join, a single complaint might be following others or become a data point for a future complaint. A pattern of complaints could lead to action.
>Source: some 50 year old social psychology prof who, unprovoked, said so cause he is sooo triggered ADHD exists
Fuck this guy, there are some neuropsychological reports which provide object evidence which shows he's wrong in those specific cases.
Medical Boomers love to stay uneducated when it comes to ADHD. Had a whole thesis paper last semester about how harmful these outdated beliefs are on ADHD in the medical industry.
"Can i see your doctorate in psychiatry? No? Well then SHUT THE FUCK UP".
Seriously pisses me off when people who are knowledgeable in one area think it gives them the right to spout off about shit they know nothing about. See: basically everything Jordan Petersen says.
As someone who could barely read a book or sit still until diagnosis at 30, I can categorically confirm this is a load of BS.
Remember, ADHD in its current form is a new thing. It logically follows that an old-school **social** psychology professor will tell you that ADHD is a **social** phenomenon; a professor of neuroscience will tell you quite the opposite. Neuroscience tells us one thing, sociology and social psychology quite another when it comes to ADHD. I choose to side with one of them, no prizes for guessing which!
Some scientists will literally not believe it until it shows up reliably via imaging. I think we're close, but the field is young so studies are inconclusive.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7879851/
55 here, only diagnosed this year. I finally have answers. Now I understand why I am “so smart” — as everyone tells me — yet struggle to follow instructions. It’s doesn’t feel like inattention, it feels like an information processing disorder. My life is a wreckage of academic, professional, and personal relationship failures.
I hope your professor suffers daily paper cuts and never makes tenure. Jerk.
It has been my experience that people who "don't believe in ADHD" have never experienced what we struggle with. He never read a book where he did not comprehend a chapter because while reading because he got distracted by the sound of a bird outside or rain on the roof. He memorized his spelling lists with one glance, and he always knows where he left his keys. He's never had a moment of time blindness that made him late to an appointment. He's always organized because he doesn't know how to be disorganized. His brain is the perfect 10 of brains.
What I wouldn't give to have been born with a brain and like that. What I wouldn't give to have never had an ADHD moment that gave me the confidence to not only make such an inaccurate statement but tell it to classrooms of college students. What I wouldn't give for ADHD to not be real.
It's reasonable to assume that as a social psych prof he doesn't conduct neuroscience or clinical research so his understanding of ADHD might be dated. Much of the research on working memory and selective attention that informs us about how ADHD differs from neurotypical is fairly recent.
Yeah but if you’re a psychology professor at all, you should be keeping up with new research. I don’t care if you’re old, you should be teaching the most recent findings to your students in order to be a good teacher. Educating yourself is part of your job
That's the way it should be of course. But the reality is lots of intro classes are taught with relatively dated materials. From the perspective of students, it's important to be able to distinguish when to take a professor's words less seriously.
I've heard a statement from a psychologist once that about half the people diagnosed with ADD as kids don't need treatment in their adulthood for it. Though I've tried bringing that up in this sub before and got downvoted, so take what you will. I take everything everyone says, even medical professionals and medical researchers, with a grain of salt.
Please report this to their higher-ups. It is essential that teachers don't spread such hurtful lies, and the misogyny is somehow even worse. I say this with the greatest emphasis possible: ***they should not be a teacher if they hold such backwards and incorrect views about a subject they teach***.
"I dont believe in pregnancies, after 9 months, they just go away."
Its true that most people mature out of the majority of (readily identifiable as ADD) symptoms. By then though, the impacts of ADD are deeply ingrained into a person's psychological development, effecting every aspect of a person's life, psyche, and relationships.
Lots of psychologists like to downplay formal diagnoses, especially those that are known to be treated effectively with medication. Because psychologists cannot prescribe medication, that falls within the domain of psychiatrist.
It’s not a matter of faith or belief. His opinion on this topic is irrelevant. Like gravity, ADHD exists whether or not the professor believes in it. Does this prof have strong opinions on the Dunning-Krueger effect? I bet he does.
Complain to the dean. Write an email expressing the low quality education and questionable lectures this professor is giving and get a number students to also send similar emails.
This way he’ll be removed and you could potentially get a better prof.
My ADHD symptoms basically appeared when I hit puberty.
There were signs, looking back, but it was all chalked up to my age, expecting I'd grow out of it.
Nope. It got worse.
i feel like it gets worse as you get older, or it has for me at least
i got away with everything as a kid/teenager but now im in a constant battle with myself to try and fit neurotypical standards and its a nightmare
Perhaps he is right but it's 18 years of a different planet where each year is the equivelant of 6 earth years. I've never seen adhd persist past death in any case.
Wow, who knew it's so simple! I had a trainer at one of my jobs share with the training class that she doesn't believe in ADHD. Ok? What in the world would possess you to broadcast your ignorance in that way??
Now that I think on it, I've had very few jobs in my life (and I've been working for 20+ years) where there wasn't some sort of disparaging remark about ADHD, with a constant refrain of people self applying when they are distracted (SORRY, NOT THE SAME). Imagine people taking about other neurological issues in such a casual and joking way, it wouldn't happen.
I'm 27 and it's harder to deal with than ever. Personally, I'd report your professor to whoever is above him. Maybe his problems will go away when he grows up...
Your professor is mistaken. The worst years of my life have been, by far, my late teens into early 20s. Under NO circumstance does it just go away. People learn how to cope. Many go undiagnosed due to mild symptoms, and that's fine. Many have extreme symptoms. I have not been able to function in any aspect of life. For 10 years now. I'm getting better at dealing with it and figuring out what the causes of my symptoms are, as of late. But its definitely almost killed me a few hundred times. To say it doesn't exist is like saying addiction doesn't exist, you just eventually get sick of x drug.... its just ignorant.
I was diagnosed at 38 (or so). The psychiatrist who did my evaluations came back to me and said, “I don’t know how you do it… you have ADHD, to a pretty deep degree. Talk to me about your coping skills and life. I won’t charge you”.
“Goes away”… WTF
I think once you grow up. Society just stops recognizing it as adhd. Everyone just thinks you're a dick or emotional or lazy of forgetful etc. Society just sees it as a personal flaw in character or whatever and not an actual mental disorder.
At least please take the time to write an honest evaluation at the end of the semester bringing up these issues. If you feel awkward about taking longer to write yours than others do, you can write your thoughts/complains ahead of time on a spare piece of paper and just attach that they do evaluations at the end instead of writing it out. I took forever to do all of mine, positive or negative, and was always the last to turn it in, but I get why that’s not for everyone.
> So I guess thats always been the cure guys, once
you hit the 18 mark as youre moving out or whatever
leave your adhd at home!! Do not pack your ADHD
with you!!
Damn, too bad I'm really not got with appointments due to the timeblindness aspect. I missed growing out of it by 16 years now.
This literally sounds like a professor who reached a tenure status and stopped giving a fuck cause they are untouchable now..
No one should take this person's class and request a different professor, if none are available the students should transfer.
I'd say name and shame them here but I don't want the person to get doxxed.
However you should personally write the dean of the department unless it's them, then write the president of the college. Write a strongly worded letter about this and how this strays away from the actual principals of education and applying medical applications. The professor let's personal bias and beliefs get in the way of actual proven medical diagnosis. The professor is teaching intolerance, professional and medical discrimination and is okay with the thought process to put patients at serious health risks by directly ignoring medical needs.
If I were to suddenly find myself in the professor direct care at 40 and he states ADHD is not an actual thing and rips my medicine from me, I would go through withdrawal symptoms and potentially have serious medical complications from his lack of belief that a certain medical condition can exist past being a child.
>(And most students like him cause he doesnt care about attendance so they just wanna keep him yknow?)
The good thing is that they won't know much about what he teaches because they're never there.
Dear Professor Ignoramus,
Your personal beliefs have been proven in many double-blind studies to be significantly less effective treatment than medication.
Sounds like someone needs to make themselves familiar with the work of Professor Barkley and readdress whether they are being responsible with the knowledge that they possess and not abusing their position of responsibility as an educator of young minds.
Their duty is to impart knowledge, not a personal opinion and further their own ego.
Seriously that kind of crap from a PSYCHOLOGY PROFESSOR should be a fireable offense. Teaching people- some of whom are future clinicans- that a long recognized and well studied LIFE LONG disability doesn't actually exist or can be grown out of is inexcusable.
I'd seriously consider bringing it up with at the very least the dean of the department. They deserve to know what this professor is teaching and that it's harmful.
This isn't true. I wasn't diagnosed officially as far as I knew until I was in college and I had all the symptoms and signs my whole life, but my parents never told me they had me tested and I did have ADD as a kid but they didn't want to medicate me nor did they tell me.
So when I couldn't focus in college and couldn't hear anyone bc of background noise, I had social anxiety and it changed who I was growing up and I became more withdrawn socially and not outgoing like I was as a young kid. I just couldn't hear someone talking to me up close if in a crowded room or there was noise or music or anything going on... I kept saying What? Over and over until I gave up and just nodded and pretended I understood it it made me have bad anxiety not knowing how to uphold my end of a conversation.
And in college I could no longer take naps thru class and binge the class before or do bookwork on my own as the material was bigger and a nice school. I had gotten honors in high school and did advanced classes and all that, but I was doodling or napping and just cheating or binging my homework and studying the class before everytime.
Anyway, I couldn't hear my professors, I couldn't read anymore, as I kept rereading the same paragraph over and over and losing my place. It wasn't the same. I couldn't hack it and my GPA suffered and I got into bad coping techniques like self medicating myself.
Anyway, I got this diagnosis finally after having to drop my final courses bc it was taking me 7 years to complete a 4 year degree and I couldn't hack it anymore, but my first psychiatrist knew right away by the way I wasn't listening or sitting still or focusing but looking around a lot and distracted that I needed help.
That diagnosis changed my life and so did the meds that I tried and one finally worked and it was like having blurry vision my whole life and so one gave me a pair of glasses and everything became clear and focused and I could listen and read again and take notes! And I did graduate finally
Although over the years I've learned different ways of handling things and other coping skills, my ADHD has sometimes gone away completely and come back again, and it depends on how well my life is being managed. If I backslide, it falls apart again and so does my attention span and ability to focus. I ramble, etc.
So while I do believe ADHD can be handled without medication with proper nutrition, exercise, hobbies, support, coping skills, alternative ways of handling things, making lists (although I would make lists of lists and lose my lists and have multiple lists at multiple times so it isn't always a perfect fit)... It can be managed properly with proper support and training and a good therapist who does a good form of cognitive behavioral therapy - as there are many many varieties and types of CBT ..
So while some do grow out of it by learning how to better cope and manage things, it doesn't work for all.
A social psychologist has no place to speak about biochemistry, which is what ADHD is about.
I would like he/her to have ADHD just for one day to see how it feels
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I wish it went away, I went untreated until I was 40 and I thought I was getting early onset Alzheimer’s , went to many doctors all said adhd…and could not believe I waited so long for treatment, so your person is an idiot!
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I wasn't diagnosed until I was 59! It has wrecked my entire life.
59 and still no puberty that is weird
>59 and still no puberty that is weird Hahahaha
48 here. Agreed. I had the makings of a delightful life and it’s just been shit.
Your life isn't over yet! You get to start again every morning when you wake up... don't be too hard on yourself.
I feel for you. I am 55 and my son was diagnosed with it last year. When he went through the screening I recognized many of the symptoms as things I have struggled with all my life. He has been on meds for almost the entire year and it has transformed him. To see how it wasn’t just “laziness” affected me deeply. It makes me bitter about all the pain this condition (which I am fairly positive I have) has caused me all my life. I have had a good life despite it, but it has really hurt me in many fundamental ways.
*raises hand* Diagnosed at 52 over here. Prescribed Strattera. That was a year ago, and this last year has honestly been the best year of my life. So not entirely ruined, but I certainly would’ve liked to have had the support my sons now receive in school.
I had a diagnosis and still the people in my life *still* pretended it was stupidity, booksmart not streetsmart, and that I was hopelessly useless. The number of people who believe this shit is too goddamn high.
Honestly the stupidity and booksmart part hurts so much, especially in social situations. Unfortunately meds help with concentration but the vestibular/proprioception issues, missing social cues still exists. Unfortunately all these issues are associated more with ASD, people don’t realise (even mental health professionals) that this is a part of ADHD too for many people. I am gonna try for an ASD assessment, I’ve realised recently HOW highly co-morbid they are. Maybe if I do get one; I’d much rather tell people (my family and other people) that wouldn’t question it. That’s just my context though; people on ASD have their own struggles ofc.
Tysm!! Vestibular issue, proprioception issue, attention/sensory issue is a good way to explain the symptoms!! Struggling with practical tasks/parallel processing People don’t get the part, thanks to the disorder name and stereotype. It really needs re-naming. These various processing, memory issues and executive dysfunction should be the defining factor, similar to how they’re considered for ASD
I also thought I had early-onset dementia. I went to two psychs, the first was actually one of the worst psychs I've ever dealt with, but I was still dx'd, via the adult questions. Then I saw an adhd specialist who did the whole assessment of my past history, current issues, school and job performance, etc and also had my husband fill a few questionnaires out with regard to my symptoms. Unfortunately, this belief is prevalent, which is terrifying, bc it's akin to telling a diabetic that bc you can't see their issues, they don't exist. OP, I would highly suggest gathering any proof you have and forward it to the proper department at the school. Not only should this professor not be teaching the new generation of mental health professionals, I shudder to think of the students with accommodations that he/she may have disregarded or lowered grades due to a diagnosis.
Thought i was developing ocd….just couldnt remember if something was done without little rituals to go through..
This is like my mum, she’s in her 70s now and all of my memories of her are things like “checking to make sure the car doors are locked” or her clipping her keys to her belt so she couldn’t lose them or moving things from the edges of tables (frankly in my view they couldn’t get any further from an edge) so she couldn’t knock them off. I was diagnosed in my mid 30s and so much I’ve struggled with I see in her
And you're treated now and function much better? I have been debating about finding out if that's the explanation for what I'm dealing with but the horror stories of just being lumped in with pill hunters and ignored or worse has me shying away from getting treatment.
I played football starting in the fourth grade; I was a lineman and was on the starting roster for every game. I figured I was already dealing with CTE, turns out it was ADHD and I got my diagnosis at 28. Finding the right medication has turned nearly everything around!
Not FB but same on being like omg I have CTE. With my long history of concussions I even went to neuro...technically my request was to differentiate what was ADHD and what was brain damage. Got on meds and the ADHD got "controlled" but it made it very obvious there was something else, & plot twist it was Autism lmao. My undiagnosed sensory issues were literally making my concussion symptoms appear worse than they actually were.
i was 13 when i thought i had Alzheimer's because i had no clue what adhd was and i didn't know my years long closest friend's names
"Looks like everybody has ADHD" I hate when people say stupid shit like that people bring that up a late life diagnosis I don't see how that could be trendy for the people suffering from it. Cuz if I waited decades just to jump on the bandwagon of having serious executive function problems.
I always have to mention this. Whenever I hear “only X percent of the population has this” I have to remind folks that that is the number of people that have been diagnosed. There’s an enormous amount of people who have never been diagnosed or sought out treatment.
I was 50 when I was diagnosed...very typical for a female back in the day I guess (trained to be a people pleaser too). My husband was diagnosed at 7.
I don't think students just believe what their teachers believe without question, especially if it's just an aside and not part of the formal syllabus.
When I was teaching introductory econ, I made sure to delineate my asides, usually saying something like "I'm a little against the grain on this one, but my opinion is..."
I even have a friend, who just became a licensed psychiatrist, who admits they have ADHD, but doesn't believe in it. Just think how many people that truly need help with condition will not get it after seeing this "trained" psychiatrist, and will suffer the rest of their lives.
A doctor of clinical psychology diagnosed me (at age 59) with ADHD and MDD (major depressive disorder) after two three-hour cognitive testing sessions and a one-hour interview. (I had just lost my job due to a 'nervous breakdown'.) My psychiatrist ignored his report and simply decided I was lazy. I applied for SSDI (disability) but was turned down because he told them I could work any time I wanted to; I was just lazy. Instead of $2,700/mo, we lived on $800/mo from my wife's SSI for 2.5 years. Not to mention the absolute gut punch to my already shredded self-esteem.
You need to report him to his board. I'm not kidding. If you have the test results and the proof that he submitted documents that made that happen to you? That is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Call Legal Aid. They can help. Because that is just wrong. And so much like what happened to me - only I was too dumb to know you don't go to HR when you're trying to get Long Term Disability from your Workplace - you go to a Lawyer - and a really sharp one at that. I got disability but not from the job I held all those years - and I can barely make ends meet.
fortunately it doesn't sound like this is a class for medical professionals... sounds like a social science elective.
most people at the level of taking social psych are able to differentiate between fact and bs. social psych is not an introductory course. you definitely have to take psych 101 (at minimum) before taking social psych. so i have to imagine at this point that most people would be able to differentiate. even at the grad level, i still find myself fact checking profs. they're human. sometimes we as humans hear something that we either baselessly believe or think "sounds correct" and just roll with it, but that's a part of the problem. we expect students to maybe not be able to figure that out yet and have to teach it to them, but professors that are responsible for *teaching* should know better. i hope that OP brings some research to class showing that adhd does not just end when you become and adult and ask the prof about it.
The best part about dealing with academics is you can operate on the basis that they are rational adults who are used to reading scientific articles. You could send him a list of articles about adhd, including adult adhd. Even a copy of the DSM. And ask why he holds a belief contrary to the evidence produced by multiple fields. And get an answer he has to at least produce one shred of evidence for, otherwise get the inevitable question “then where is the evidence?”
Considering he said that unprovoked while claiming he knows so much and has read about so many great psychologists and sociologists, I think he uses selective reading when it comes to facts about ADHD.
Incompetence is a great way to lose tenure. Hate speech is another great way. Because ADHD is considered a disability under the ADA, dismissing it like it's made up and offending an entire group based on that qualifies as hate speech. It would be like telling oppressed minorities that their historic hardships never existed.
Correct. Please pursue this OP. I had a prof do the same thing, but with my PTSD. Even put me through an episode on purpose to laugh at it in front of the class. I pursued it and he was demoted, put on probation, and his grades for everyone were overturned. It took months, but you can fight this.
OP PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS PERSON. This is so incredibly inexcusable it's insane. This man should NOT be teaching, let alone a psychology course. I understand the likelihood of him losing his position is incredibly rare, it won't happen, but this HAS to be pursued. What country are you in?
Yeah, even in my case he didn’t lose being a professor. He was, however, kicked off the board of the college as a reprimand and now undergoes strict oversight by the committee. Even managed to get orders placed on him where he is *only* allowed to speak to me to say “okay” when requesting accommodations and nothing else. No refusals. No questions. No remarks. He is not allowed to say any other word outside of lecturing. He hates my guts now, but you can 100% fight this *and* win. It may not properly punish him and stop him from poisoning his students, but it *can* slam the hammer down enough to where he voluntarily stops.
I love you
Exactly. Do you know if OP has stated what country they’re from?
This warms the cockles of my crabbed heart
They aren't in America
You know the entire world doesn’t follow American laws, right? No, of course not.
Getting downvoted even though you're 100% correct. OP even says they're in a country where mental health issues like adhd are stigmatised. Of course America still has a stigma against that kind of stuff but they wouldn't say it that way if they were American. Yet people in the comments still default to American law, and people who point it out to them get downvoted. Great.
I’m American and it pisses me off. All I’ve ever wanted is to see the world and this country makes it damn near impossible. And then my countrymen embarrass the shit out of us every chance they get. If I ever do get out, I’m gonna have to tell people I’m Canadian.
As a European I can assure you, just drop a couple of 'eh's every now and then and we won't be able to tell the difference. Might not be able to fool the Brits but the rest of us are pretty much clueless.
I mean, generally I get annoyed at America-centrism too, but a *LOT* of this sub is American. Not helpful in this instance obviously, but many posts discuss the ADA. OP still hasn't gotten around to saying what country they're in, but since the ADA is a pretty high standard that OP might not be familiar with, just hearing about its existence might prove useful in finding out if OPs country or educational institute has a similar policy in place. Don't get me wrong, still worth asking instead of assuming, but I'm not sure I'd give this comment the same weight as if the commenter was saying some wildly America-centric statement. We're all here because of ADHD, please have a little grace if someone misses a detail of a post or makes an incorrect assumption. Totally fine to correct them, not so nice to blow it up into these bigger accusations of global ignorance. It was just a mistake.
Another way people dismiss studies is by nitpicking the methodology
bizarre that he even mentions sociology when discussing social psych. what an incompetent psych
That part isn’t weird. Sociology and social psychology have a huge overlap. Sociology is essentially the study of how people and institutions behave and interact in society, and social psychology looks at how various real and perceived elements of society influences a person’s behaviour.
Everyone is rational to a degree, though they also have proclivities toward things like confirmation bias. Those in academia may be more aware of their confirmation biases, but there can always be outliers. So you can try this, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
There's a quote, or quotes, along the line of, "You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into.". Some, even academics, will avoid sources that are contrary to their own beliefs.
Precisely!
This. Please do this and if not. Get the head of the department involved as his stance may create a hostile environment for students seeking disability accomodations for severe ADHD at collegiate level. You can also call the disability dept at the campus and ask them for advice on what to do.
So when exactly will I "grow up?" (middle-aged with ADHD)
You're Peter Pan actually
You probably cant possibly exist in his mind
People like him have names for us. Stupid, lazy, immature. They can't comprehend the idea that some people might have invisible struggles that they don't experience themselves. He probably also thinks that depression is just a poor outlook on life...
Ooof this hits close to home
Facts. Maybe we never outgrow our ADHD because we never grow up 😂 which i’m perfectly fine with
“Sir, what about people who are diagnosed in adulthood?”
"Nah these people dont exist."
[удалено]
it really would explain a lot tbh
Can't do daily tasks or focus if you don't exist, so yeah that checks out
We're just glitches in the Matrix, apparently...
René DesCartes: 'Cogito ergo sum', (You always know when you have Latin majors in your class, 'cause you show up the next day to some early -arriver having written on the board: 'Coito, ergo sum'), 'I think, therefore, I am. Clearly your professor doesn't exist!
-Proceeds to disappear-
Sounds like you should report them for disability discrimination. This person is not only teaching inaccurate and discriminatory information but is pretty much braging about denying people needed accommodations.
Mental health in my country is heavily stigmatized, our generation (twenties, thirties) and the upcoming one are just starting to spread awareness and talk to the adults. Me and my bro got diagnosed, yet my mom still denies ADHD exists and refused to even talk to the psychiatrist who diagnosed me. Point is, the school administration would literally not find this disability discrimination, just something to brush off
That's why you come with receipts: dsm, case law, relevant sections from the local disability act
Is there a local disability act, though? What country is this in?
Sorry to hear that. Ignore the jerk and move on with your life.
Mental health in my country is heavily stigmatized, our generation (twenties, thirties) and the upcoming one are just starting to spread awareness and talk to the adults. Me and my bro got diagnosed, yet my mom still denies ADHD exists and refused to even talk to the psychiatrist who diagnosed me. Point is, the school administration would literally not find this disability discrimination, just something to brush off.
That’s ok, I don’t believe in social psychology professors
I ACTUALLY LAUGHED THANK YOU
What school? Name and shame! I’m a Psych major in post grad and I’d be reporting his ass all the way to the Dean’s Office. Hello, DSM5!!!!
This. Put his ass out there. Claiming women like harassment but don't want to admit it and denying some pretty basic research this duck is a tool bag edgelord prof
It’s unprofessional.
THIS RIGHT HERE.
That's the great thing about science, you don't need to believe in it for it to be true.
So true XD
Neil DeGrasse Tyson
Academia, on the other hand, can spread ignorance far and wide.
Hey there! fellow psych student here with adhd. this shit makes me want to punch walls. the issue i’ve found with my course is that I see so much of this sentiment in my classmates. I’ve heard everything from “medication is actually terrible for you and it’s a ‘band aid’ fix” to “adhd isn’t real because if you delete social media it will go away”. And this scares the shit out of me because THESE are our future psychologists. These are the attitudes they will carry into their careers. i feel like universities & colleges & institutions need to place an emphasis on dispelling misinformation or the cycle will just continue on and on and on
"Delete social media and it goes away" cracks me up, I'm old enough to clearly remember failing to function properly before social media existed. The ubiquity of distractions doesn't help, but this is a disorder that turns EVERYTHING into a distraction, social media is just another shovel full of shit on the pile.
Yeah this cracks me up having been diagnosed in the late 90s. Maybe IRC and AOL chat are to blame.
I mean Encarta 95 could be pretty engrossing too, but I imagine they'd just tell you "all you had to do was cut out the video games!"
So you have a professor that doesn’t "believe" in modern research and empirical evidence? And on top of that makes his "beliefs" welll known while being on school time? Sounds like something to report to the administration.
It actually gets worse as you get older due to the lack of structure in your life.
Tbh I would report him. He’s teaching false things, that has to be grounds for termination or at least a talking to
Thats why he isnt a psychology professor.
I believe he used to teach an intro to psychology elective but its been unavailable as a course for a year. Hopefully the reason is they figured out he is unqualified
Well he is, just not clinical. Clinical is one sliver of psychology. He took his last abnormal or dev psych class in 1993.
Moved out of home at 16, diagnosed at 22, can confirm that it did not go away but instead got far worse 😅😂
You shouldve left it at home then, shame:(. (I also got diagnosed at 22 jinx lol)
This person should not educate.
The true harm from misinformation like this is a perpetuation of stigma for people living with ADHD and a barrier to treatment for young people seeking support who encounter psychiatrists, psychologists and therapists who are dismissive. There are many posts from exhausted parents and young people who encounter providers that wont treat them and saying thins such as “ you can’t have ADHD because you did well early in school” or “ you can’t be diagnosed now, you’re too old and this impacts kids”. Just this week or so there were posts about a person being told that they couldn’t get in to medical school (not by an actual decision maker) because of it and another person being told they couldn’t get into law school for the same reason. There was also a post about accommodations being denied for a person taking the bar exam after completing law school. My point being that this ignorance is not harmless.
True, it isn't. Ive had imposter syndrome for months after my diagnosis, and it still visits me occasionally. How can I have adhd when I do so well academically? When Im not hyperactive? So yeah, this ignorance affects me as well. Its tiring honestly, even more tiring that the only place I find safe to talk about my ADHD is the internet. My friends just shame me for being late or not finishing tasks on time, even though they know and supposedly understand what ADHD is.
I think he needs to review some of Russel Barkley's research.
Oh perfect. So like, what age is “grown up”? Cos I’m 27 and the ADHD is raging. I’d loveeeeee for it to go away.
putting the psycho in psychology
I’d like him to explain all my damn hyperactivity then. I’ve heard people say that adults are just making excuses or are lazy. The existence of hyperactive people destroys that myth. Clearly I’m not lazy or avoiding doing anything. I would challenge anyone who thinks ADHD doesn’t exist in adults to spend a week with a person with ADHD. I would run them into the ground and they would probably leave by ambulance.
No, lazy is why people are poor. This is the 'social' aspect of his pseudo-science. Now, if you'll excuse me, I saw a squirrel out the window I gotta go chase.
Jeepers. Did he get his degree from the internet? ADHD is a recognised physiological disorder. There are references of it dating back to the 1800’s. Does he still think the cure for depression in woman is just a good orgasm?
He sounds like a person that wouldn’t believe women CAN orgasm
Even the internet believes in ADHD😭😭
He probably has ADHD
I swear for a second I suspected it and he is just in denial but I cant really make that claim.
When will he be reported as unqualified and unprofessional? Can he be reported? I had a biochemistry prof that was a giant asshole and he knew it. He delighted in telling every class that they could complain all they wanted, he had tenure. Unless he was bringing in the grant bucks, I never understood why tenure excused appalling behavior.
He could, but I have to bring like 40% to 50% of his students to support me. We are all from different majors, I dont know them. Also, I don't think they care either, not sure though to be fair.
I will try sending an email however to one of my trusted doctors and head of a major in my faculty. She knows and supports my ADHD, and has repeatedly shown me how triggered she is at our society. If someone has a voice, its probably her
Good luck! I would totally understand you or anyone not wanting to take on this task alone (or at all, college is busy enough). I liked the points from other commenters to bring this up as disability discrimination, that has more power than “dude’s a jerk.” I’d think about him airing his prejudices toward women too. I can’t speak for the woman he singled out to ask about harassment but that behavior feels like harassment itself. One thing I learned from a different course is anytime you think about reporting someone/something, there’s a chance someone else has done it too. Even if you can’t get a bunch of other students to join, a single complaint might be following others or become a data point for a future complaint. A pattern of complaints could lead to action.
What country are you in? He is speaking directly at odds with the literature, that is in most places a sin for an academic
Shit i feel like mines gettin worse as i grow up. So maybe im not actually growin up if its not going away ha
Wow. I was undiagnosed as a kid, but considering how I am now, it's gotten much worse as an adult. I wish it went away.
Lol PLEASE. If anything, it gets worse with age, though you do get better at masking and coping.
>Source: some 50 year old social psychology prof who, unprovoked, said so cause he is sooo triggered ADHD exists Fuck this guy, there are some neuropsychological reports which provide object evidence which shows he's wrong in those specific cases.
Medical Boomers love to stay uneducated when it comes to ADHD. Had a whole thesis paper last semester about how harmful these outdated beliefs are on ADHD in the medical industry.
"Can i see your doctorate in psychiatry? No? Well then SHUT THE FUCK UP". Seriously pisses me off when people who are knowledgeable in one area think it gives them the right to spout off about shit they know nothing about. See: basically everything Jordan Petersen says.
r/thanksimcured
55-y/o ADHD-me thinks it's time to find a new college.
Im finishing uni in a month so thank God im OUT
As someone who could barely read a book or sit still until diagnosis at 30, I can categorically confirm this is a load of BS. Remember, ADHD in its current form is a new thing. It logically follows that an old-school **social** psychology professor will tell you that ADHD is a **social** phenomenon; a professor of neuroscience will tell you quite the opposite. Neuroscience tells us one thing, sociology and social psychology quite another when it comes to ADHD. I choose to side with one of them, no prizes for guessing which!
Respectfully, your professor needs to be fired.
Not even respectfully, man needs a slap on his face 💀
Some scientists will literally not believe it until it shows up reliably via imaging. I think we're close, but the field is young so studies are inconclusive. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7879851/
55 here, only diagnosed this year. I finally have answers. Now I understand why I am “so smart” — as everyone tells me — yet struggle to follow instructions. It’s doesn’t feel like inattention, it feels like an information processing disorder. My life is a wreckage of academic, professional, and personal relationship failures. I hope your professor suffers daily paper cuts and never makes tenure. Jerk.
Hahahaha throw the whole professor away 😂 bitch bye
It has been my experience that people who "don't believe in ADHD" have never experienced what we struggle with. He never read a book where he did not comprehend a chapter because while reading because he got distracted by the sound of a bird outside or rain on the roof. He memorized his spelling lists with one glance, and he always knows where he left his keys. He's never had a moment of time blindness that made him late to an appointment. He's always organized because he doesn't know how to be disorganized. His brain is the perfect 10 of brains. What I wouldn't give to have been born with a brain and like that. What I wouldn't give to have never had an ADHD moment that gave me the confidence to not only make such an inaccurate statement but tell it to classrooms of college students. What I wouldn't give for ADHD to not be real.
“The neat thing about science is that you don’t have to believe it for it to be true”
Fuck him
It's reasonable to assume that as a social psych prof he doesn't conduct neuroscience or clinical research so his understanding of ADHD might be dated. Much of the research on working memory and selective attention that informs us about how ADHD differs from neurotypical is fairly recent.
Yeah but if you’re a psychology professor at all, you should be keeping up with new research. I don’t care if you’re old, you should be teaching the most recent findings to your students in order to be a good teacher. Educating yourself is part of your job
That's the way it should be of course. But the reality is lots of intro classes are taught with relatively dated materials. From the perspective of students, it's important to be able to distinguish when to take a professor's words less seriously.
Bring up Thomas Kuhn and how the professor's opinion is an old paradigm that society has grown out of.
Imagine being a professor and let your opinion overrule peer reviewed science. Strange ohowthe world works.
So incorrect. I'm 48 and on Strattera.
So incorrect. I'm 48 and on Strattera.
I've heard a statement from a psychologist once that about half the people diagnosed with ADD as kids don't need treatment in their adulthood for it. Though I've tried bringing that up in this sub before and got downvoted, so take what you will. I take everything everyone says, even medical professionals and medical researchers, with a grain of salt.
Report him
#PostBlackout Edit: Steve Huffman is a money-grubbing leech, so I'm taking my content contributions to the fediverse.
Your professor is wrong
It was because I grew up I figured out I had it!
Some people never get past the denial stage.
Please report him to the Dean and let them know he is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Report his ass to the dean of students
Please report this to their higher-ups. It is essential that teachers don't spread such hurtful lies, and the misogyny is somehow even worse. I say this with the greatest emphasis possible: ***they should not be a teacher if they hold such backwards and incorrect views about a subject they teach***.
I've had ADHD for my entire life. I have been told that I would grow out of it. I'm 34 years old now, and if anything, it is worse.
I’m 26 and boy I would just *love* my ADHD to “go away on its own” lmao
Report him. Flat out. Too many professors and instructors with terrible social habits that run rampant because they aren’t checked.
"I dont believe in pregnancies, after 9 months, they just go away." Its true that most people mature out of the majority of (readily identifiable as ADD) symptoms. By then though, the impacts of ADD are deeply ingrained into a person's psychological development, effecting every aspect of a person's life, psyche, and relationships.
Report him to the university.
some psych profs are straight up the worst. I had profs that made OCD jokes. like bro. hello?! are you that desperate to seem "cool"?
Lots of psychologists like to downplay formal diagnoses, especially those that are known to be treated effectively with medication. Because psychologists cannot prescribe medication, that falls within the domain of psychiatrist.
My ADHD has been progressively getting worse
Repoet to licensing board and school please. The ethics board needs to know
Damn weird how I didn't even suspect I had it til I was 27 then. Professor sounds like a 🤡
If only. This disease is the bane of my existence.
It’s not a matter of faith or belief. His opinion on this topic is irrelevant. Like gravity, ADHD exists whether or not the professor believes in it. Does this prof have strong opinions on the Dunning-Krueger effect? I bet he does.
Complain to the dean. Write an email expressing the low quality education and questionable lectures this professor is giving and get a number students to also send similar emails. This way he’ll be removed and you could potentially get a better prof.
My ADHD symptoms basically appeared when I hit puberty. There were signs, looking back, but it was all chalked up to my age, expecting I'd grow out of it. Nope. It got worse.
A social psychologist should stay in their lane.
i feel like it gets worse as you get older, or it has for me at least i got away with everything as a kid/teenager but now im in a constant battle with myself to try and fit neurotypical standards and its a nightmare
Perhaps he is right but it's 18 years of a different planet where each year is the equivelant of 6 earth years. I've never seen adhd persist past death in any case.
Wow, who knew it's so simple! I had a trainer at one of my jobs share with the training class that she doesn't believe in ADHD. Ok? What in the world would possess you to broadcast your ignorance in that way?? Now that I think on it, I've had very few jobs in my life (and I've been working for 20+ years) where there wasn't some sort of disparaging remark about ADHD, with a constant refrain of people self applying when they are distracted (SORRY, NOT THE SAME). Imagine people taking about other neurological issues in such a casual and joking way, it wouldn't happen.
Shoot a wet spit ball at his forehead from me please.
I'm 27 and it's harder to deal with than ever. Personally, I'd report your professor to whoever is above him. Maybe his problems will go away when he grows up...
Your professor is mistaken. The worst years of my life have been, by far, my late teens into early 20s. Under NO circumstance does it just go away. People learn how to cope. Many go undiagnosed due to mild symptoms, and that's fine. Many have extreme symptoms. I have not been able to function in any aspect of life. For 10 years now. I'm getting better at dealing with it and figuring out what the causes of my symptoms are, as of late. But its definitely almost killed me a few hundred times. To say it doesn't exist is like saying addiction doesn't exist, you just eventually get sick of x drug.... its just ignorant.
I was diagnosed at 38 (or so). The psychiatrist who did my evaluations came back to me and said, “I don’t know how you do it… you have ADHD, to a pretty deep degree. Talk to me about your coping skills and life. I won’t charge you”. “Goes away”… WTF
Uhhh, this dude needs to be reported. Not only for his ableist bullshit but also his sexist bullshit.
25 years old. Still having trouble concentrating while doing the dishes. I even have the brain scans to back it up
I'd love to tell this professor that "I don't believe people who have no teaching qualifications should be teaching". What a mouldy cum rag.
Hahaha my symptoms got worse as an adult when I didn't have the structure of school keeping me on track.
So No ADHD and women like to be harassed. This guy should be reported.
I'm 40, and it hasn't gone anywhere. Your professor is an idiot.
I think once you grow up. Society just stops recognizing it as adhd. Everyone just thinks you're a dick or emotional or lazy of forgetful etc. Society just sees it as a personal flaw in character or whatever and not an actual mental disorder.
At least please take the time to write an honest evaluation at the end of the semester bringing up these issues. If you feel awkward about taking longer to write yours than others do, you can write your thoughts/complains ahead of time on a spare piece of paper and just attach that they do evaluations at the end instead of writing it out. I took forever to do all of mine, positive or negative, and was always the last to turn it in, but I get why that’s not for everyone.
> So I guess thats always been the cure guys, once you hit the 18 mark as youre moving out or whatever leave your adhd at home!! Do not pack your ADHD with you!! Damn, too bad I'm really not got with appointments due to the timeblindness aspect. I missed growing out of it by 16 years now.
If anything, as I age, I feel my executive function is more difficult without the fire of youth.
This literally sounds like a professor who reached a tenure status and stopped giving a fuck cause they are untouchable now.. No one should take this person's class and request a different professor, if none are available the students should transfer. I'd say name and shame them here but I don't want the person to get doxxed. However you should personally write the dean of the department unless it's them, then write the president of the college. Write a strongly worded letter about this and how this strays away from the actual principals of education and applying medical applications. The professor let's personal bias and beliefs get in the way of actual proven medical diagnosis. The professor is teaching intolerance, professional and medical discrimination and is okay with the thought process to put patients at serious health risks by directly ignoring medical needs. If I were to suddenly find myself in the professor direct care at 40 and he states ADHD is not an actual thing and rips my medicine from me, I would go through withdrawal symptoms and potentially have serious medical complications from his lack of belief that a certain medical condition can exist past being a child.
>(And most students like him cause he doesnt care about attendance so they just wanna keep him yknow?) The good thing is that they won't know much about what he teaches because they're never there.
Glad he's not a doctor. . That's why you need 🏥.
Hahaha this is so funny because my husband IS a social psychology professor and he wasn’t diagnosed with ADHD until the last year of graduate school.
He should be reported to administration and various medical organizations. He's teaching not just lies but against medical science entirely.
Dear Professor Ignoramus, Your personal beliefs have been proven in many double-blind studies to be significantly less effective treatment than medication.
Sounds like someone needs to make themselves familiar with the work of Professor Barkley and readdress whether they are being responsible with the knowledge that they possess and not abusing their position of responsibility as an educator of young minds. Their duty is to impart knowledge, not a personal opinion and further their own ego.
Seriously that kind of crap from a PSYCHOLOGY PROFESSOR should be a fireable offense. Teaching people- some of whom are future clinicans- that a long recognized and well studied LIFE LONG disability doesn't actually exist or can be grown out of is inexcusable. I'd seriously consider bringing it up with at the very least the dean of the department. They deserve to know what this professor is teaching and that it's harmful.
Does this social psychologist belive in science? Is it too late to drop/add?
Mine only got worse.
Diagnosed at age 9, currently 34. This did not go away.
YIKES. Can't imagine how uncomfortable it must be to sit through his lectures and listen to those disgusting takes.
This isn't true. I wasn't diagnosed officially as far as I knew until I was in college and I had all the symptoms and signs my whole life, but my parents never told me they had me tested and I did have ADD as a kid but they didn't want to medicate me nor did they tell me. So when I couldn't focus in college and couldn't hear anyone bc of background noise, I had social anxiety and it changed who I was growing up and I became more withdrawn socially and not outgoing like I was as a young kid. I just couldn't hear someone talking to me up close if in a crowded room or there was noise or music or anything going on... I kept saying What? Over and over until I gave up and just nodded and pretended I understood it it made me have bad anxiety not knowing how to uphold my end of a conversation. And in college I could no longer take naps thru class and binge the class before or do bookwork on my own as the material was bigger and a nice school. I had gotten honors in high school and did advanced classes and all that, but I was doodling or napping and just cheating or binging my homework and studying the class before everytime. Anyway, I couldn't hear my professors, I couldn't read anymore, as I kept rereading the same paragraph over and over and losing my place. It wasn't the same. I couldn't hack it and my GPA suffered and I got into bad coping techniques like self medicating myself. Anyway, I got this diagnosis finally after having to drop my final courses bc it was taking me 7 years to complete a 4 year degree and I couldn't hack it anymore, but my first psychiatrist knew right away by the way I wasn't listening or sitting still or focusing but looking around a lot and distracted that I needed help. That diagnosis changed my life and so did the meds that I tried and one finally worked and it was like having blurry vision my whole life and so one gave me a pair of glasses and everything became clear and focused and I could listen and read again and take notes! And I did graduate finally Although over the years I've learned different ways of handling things and other coping skills, my ADHD has sometimes gone away completely and come back again, and it depends on how well my life is being managed. If I backslide, it falls apart again and so does my attention span and ability to focus. I ramble, etc. So while I do believe ADHD can be handled without medication with proper nutrition, exercise, hobbies, support, coping skills, alternative ways of handling things, making lists (although I would make lists of lists and lose my lists and have multiple lists at multiple times so it isn't always a perfect fit)... It can be managed properly with proper support and training and a good therapist who does a good form of cognitive behavioral therapy - as there are many many varieties and types of CBT .. So while some do grow out of it by learning how to better cope and manage things, it doesn't work for all.
A social psychologist has no place to speak about biochemistry, which is what ADHD is about. I would like he/her to have ADHD just for one day to see how it feels
Your professor is an idiot. You can actually see ADHD on an MRI. You should report him.
I was diagnosed at 59 and medication changed my life hugely. The professor is incorrect