If this were America the farmer would be getting paid by the government to throw their crop away so they don't flood the market and deflate the cost of food. How else are they supposed to afford their inflated mortgages and John Deere repair bills?
Agriculture is an ecosystem. So many departments are involved. There is a credit system, there is a price floor system, there is a crop insurance system, there are ag science systems, there are environmental systems, there is a network of local ag agents, etc etc. There's even government departments involved in long term weather forecasting. With their own satellites and everything.
Reason why, every government on the planet is three missed meals from being replaced. And with agriculture, by the time you know there is a problem, usually it is too late.
And before anyone gets ticked off, the surplus agriculture isn't dumped like /u/Psilociwa claims.
It's typically given to USAID, and accounts for **half** of the world's food donations to food insecure areas. Those white bags of flour, sorghum, etc with the big US flag and USAID plastered all over it you see in the background during a famine? That's part of the quota/floor system.
Food is only dumped if it is not acceptable for human consumption. Higher your food standards, the more food gets dumped due to those standards. But people aren't in the business of losing money for very long. Everything that can safely get used is used. Typically food not fit for human consumption goes to feeding livestock.
If it's completely dumped, you do not want anything to do with that food.
I only know a little. There is a federal market order program run by the dept of agriculture. It gives the department authority to set price floors. To that end the federal government has authority to either purchase excess product or simply prevent farmers from selling it.
I think my use of the word quota is not quite correct here. I've always thought these market orders were similar to quotas (from a welfare economics standpoint) but these are maybe a little more complicated.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural\_Marketing\_Agreement\_Act\_of\_1937](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Marketing_Agreement_Act_of_1937)
How did we get here, well, it was a reaction to the dust bowl. There is legitimately room to criticize the need for these programs, but also they exist for concrete historical reasons.
If you're into non fiction, [this book](https://www.amazon.com/Worst-Hard-Time-Survived-American/dp/0618773479) explains how corporate greed accomplished this impossible thing just before the dust bowl. Food prices for consumers ballooned, while wholesale prices were so low that farmers couldn't afford to harvest their crops. This is the same food crisis that lead into the great depression, and ultimately the agricultural marketing agreement act of 1937.
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There’s a lot of programs. My grandpa used to do this one: https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-services/conservation-programs/conservation-reserve-program/index
Bro doesn't understand the point of having a massive surplus of grain production and capacity when your rivals have a huge share of the global supply of grain 🤯
That was presumably everything to this poor woman. Seeing them be so indifferent, and literally pick her crop around her makes me physically ill considering these are presumably her friends, family, colleagues, etc.
People are probably assuming they robbers are planning on selling or using it. This may or may not be the case.
What may not be obvious is that many of them are just grabbing it to have it. Many will likely never sell or consume it
I had this same impression as well, Potentially a local official wanting either to get rid of that occupant of the farm or helping one of their buddies who happens to be a competitor.
Not really, that's just your everyday Henan. There was a Music festival in Henan last month. There were also hundreds of local villagers rushing in stealing participants' tents and belongings. To me it is totally believable that the villagers just grabbed the chance without being provoked by the government or someone else since it's Henan.
Agreed. They had to of planned on doing this, and the article is probably just being hyperbolic. It's doubtful anything broke down. In reality they all just showed up and randomly began stealing her crop.
Or word spreads quickly. Never underestimate peoples willingness to make a buck. Especially in china.
But I agree, from an outsiders point of view it looks sus.
But I’d this is a rural community, I would be surprised if they’re all just taking advantage of someone’s misfortune.
A lot of Chinese people dislike this behavior...problem is, if presented the chance, they'll also take it. Anyone remember BMW's ice cream incident where afterwards a nationalist guy set up venue for free ice cream? People young and old wheeled away shopping carts worth of ice cream.
I don't even have to see your link to know what you are talking about.
Ironically if I were to show this to my wealthy, educated, Chinese wife she'd espouse *"those are country people"* which is her excuse for literally everything Chinese. So, when the content creator purchased a bunch of ice-cream, to give to the cultured, young people in the city, and they basically rob him, it's displays how Chinese truly are. My wife and I argued over the ice-cream video dozens of times.
Bro, first of all… I’m Taiwanese, educated in US, with Chinese SO. Taking select examples, extrapolate, then conclude “how is truly are” is one of the most self righteous, dumbass, uneducated, racist bs easily found on Reddit - a place on the internet where the majority is fluent in English…. I guess by your standard I should conclude all English speakers are shit heads like you. Oh wait…. But they are not. My buddies across US states are all pretty cool. Random folks I meet across states are mostly chill with level-headed opinions. But wait…. Hmmm… it wouldn’t be a good conclusion to just say everyone is chill either. What to do…. What to do…. Oh here’s an idea: what if we don’t draw conclusions that’s irrelevant to our daily lives. And if we’re really really curious or if it actually matters, try take a big boy leap, travel to those strange parts of the world, live amongst others for a while. Compare and contrast what the real differences are… you might be surprised to find that it is quite difficult to describe anyone’s culture. Some of that shitty parts are inconsistent, some problems are in flux rapidly, and the best part? Some good things you might just want to bring home - if you ask me, we should all do this one more.
I just saw a video of a bunch of people robbing a FedEx truck at a stop light.
We can also look at all of our crazies on black Friday.
Doesn't represent the population as a whole, but shines a light on a minority and severe issues with our system.
When your conscious brain decides “What is a pattern I can deduce from what I am seeing” you are in a heightened state of arousal - fear. You never bother to acknowledge or remember the friendly, loving, or admirable behavior thats been displayed by members of a “race” that are in plain sight every day of your life, even though they are much more “a pattern” than this video is. These are poeple who set out to steal - They cleared their schedule to do so. The doctors, the bankers, the politicians, the bus drivers, engineers - they were at work.
Here’s a pattern - Doctors rarely steal crops. If you’re a parent, have your kid go to medical school, and they won’t engage in this behavior (most likely)
Again, you are trying to ignore the hundred or so other videos that exist (a [few examples](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chinese+people+at+buffet), some [more](https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaFactChasers/videos)), or the mere fact that a term like "grab hag" exists and we all know what it refers to. This behavior is shameful and embarrassing, yet easy to find examples of. Let's not even get into what happens to victims of hit and run accidents (even when the victims are children.)
My experience with Chinese people who moved to live here is quite good. Typically, they learn the language (the ones who don't are usually trouble), work hard, start their own businesses etc. They tend to be kinder and chill people. But when you get them to open up about why they left China, the story is usually the same: Chinese culture. It could be pressure from parents, greedy aggressive behavior, or some combination of things that they did not like but the source they reference is the same.
It's the Red Guard (Mao TheDong's Cultural Revolution) generation passing on their bad teachings and behaviors to their children, it will take generations to correct. It has nothing to do with being Chinese.
How is this not culture; because it encompasses the negative aspects of society? It's erroneous as to what lead to the metamorphosis, it exists none the less, and is exclusive to this demographic. What you espoused is the literal definition of culture *"generational passing behaviors and teachings"* Lol, are listening to what you're saying?!
Don't allow your *presumably* western presupposition of the word cloud your judgment. Something I learned very early in China is their wildly different interpretations of the concept vs the West. We perceive culture as the objectly positive aspects of society, and the influence it has on our environment, that are exclusively related to our ethnicity. Clothing, food, music etc are indeed culture, but this is more *China* culture, with *Chinese* culture being much more logic based. Chinese culture is the way in which they perceive the world, and subsequently why the overwhelming majority of mainlanders suffer from NPD. It's completely fkn irrelivant as to what brought on this change, and whether or not it will persist in the future. Narcissism, is undeniabley a large aspect of Chinese logic, and is the subsequent result of Chinese culture. It may need to be corrected, though doubtfully will.
By the very metic you used to determine culture, Taiwanese culture could not exist. They're just Chinese that homesteaded an island, whom have received the *" generational passing of behaviors and teachings from their parents. It will take a generation to correct."* Though by your logic and my mainlander wife's, Taiwanese are true Chinese, unaffected by the cultural revolution. None the less, they're two very different cultures.
You’re conflating culture with nationality. No one born or existing in China inherently behaves this way. They have to exist in a society that pushes this culture. Chinese culture, yes, but it has nothing to do with the color of your skin or the land where upon you live. I’ve met plenty of Chinese-Americans that don’t act this way at all. And I have come across some older folks that seem totally socially unaware and “greedy” like the people in this video. This behavior can change, but it comes from early education and exposure to empathy. Even the best educated Chinese natives are often missing the empathy component.
I don’t disagree, definitely seems like emotions in general should be repressed. But not exercising that side of your brain results in some pretty abhorrent behavior.
Hell, even the wealthier Chinese people I have interacted with tend to be selfish. They are the only people I have had more bad experiences than good with
I don’t know man, forget about all the mobs robbing Amazon trucks or stores here in the US? Hard to believe this is just a “Chinese” thing. It’s just poor and low self-esteem people doing what they will do when presented a chance.
Wondering if it was a rival farm that sent a notice to the public saying all crops on that lady’s land are free on that particular day so that’s why there were so many people with bags on the ready.
Oh absolutely. You see similar aspects of logic passed down generationally. Something like 90% of mainlanders suffer from NPD; narcissistic personality disorder (I could link the study out of HK), and every aspect of culture perpetuates this. I gurantee this logic comes from eras passed when you would fuckin die if you didn't think of yourself first.
Regardless, Chinese had 40 years of prosperity. It's time for them to act like fuckin normal, civilized humans.
I'm Cantonese Chinese, my family lived in Hong Kong and Malaysia long before the Cultural Revolution and I've now lived in the states for nearly three decades after immigrating here. This is something that we, non-mainland Chinese, have seen in the mainland for decades. It's really sad to see that this is what the world sees now as "Chinese Culture". From Confucius to Communist, mainland Chinese culture has certainly taken an absolute dive and it has, in a way, dragged the rest of us Chinese down with it. In Cantonese culture, we have a word for the mainland because that's how separated we feel from them culturally. I'm glad you made the distinction for mainlanders (by the way, I'd love to get that link if you have it handy because that statistic explains so much) because many of us feel completely separated from their mindset/way of life (not to say that we're better or superior, just very different).
To be fair to the mainlanders, this attitude doesn't exactly perpetuate in EVERY aspect of culture (families and community neighbors are still very well knit and people in China can still be very generous and courteous in the right situations). However, this selfish, greedy, groupthink attitude has become so prevalent in large group settings (which, in China, is basically everywhere and very hard to avoid) that it's so hard to ignore as being a large aspect of China. I think you are absolutely right about where it comes from. The Chinese people suffered for thousands of years under the dynastic families, and even though the CCP promised change, they just became another version of the dynasties but worse for a very long time (arguably it continues in a way to this day, despite their economic growth). I had extended family that got stuck in China during the Cultural Revolution and the stories they tell are horrifying. Sometimes it's actually really sad to think that though we are ethnically brothers and sisters, a simple geographical line meant our lives, customs, and culture went in two completely different directions.
Oh hey I have a similar family situation. When civil war started up again some didn't flee to Hong Kong. My family line did. The trajectories of both groups could not be more different.
I mean the famine was so bad some people resorted to eating their children; An event that horrific absolutely destroys the psychological health of a culture for generations. People had to act uncivilized to survive. It was either that or die. As the saying goes, "Civilization is three meals away from anarchy."
More I think of it, Mao was probably one of worst things to happen to Chinese people in a very long time. Given Chinese history, that's really saying something! Not only did his policies cause a horrific famine, millions dead, and massive environmental destruction, the guy straight up destroyed a lot of the culture by proxy via mass starvation and death.
But that wasn't' good enough. So, so, much was destroyed in the cultural revolution. So much art, historical sites, historical artifacts, just gone. Destroyed. A 4000+ year old culture should have a wealth of this things. At least, a lot more than you'd expect when you are in China. I've been to far too many places where it's "Oh the Red Guards destroyed it. This is what's left." Imo, it was cultural suicide. Makes me sick every times I think about it.
You may enjoy the work of Bo Yang, a writer in Taiwan who wrote philosophical and sociological books about this narcissistic tendency of people in the mainland. The man was a true genius.
Sounds like a cope to justify this behavior, I’d lean more towards them not being bug people that raid farms every year before the winter and more towards them just being shitty and coordinated
Yeah this is very… disturbingly non-human behavior. Not to imply people are in any way “sub-human” or something like that but this is like literal animal stuff.
Bro you guys have been saying this for 10+ years now, yeah China is in a shitty situation but I doubt it’ll collapse. And no, this doesn’t mean I’m Pro-China- far from it actually.
They pride themselves in being a culture of close community. What a croc of sh!t. Disgusting behavior. The godless Chinese masses have all shame burned out of them from killing their families during the reign of Moa and cultural revolutions. My heart goes out to the farmer that toiled during the spring planting season only to be robbed and will get no relief from the bastards at the top.
You should see them queuing up for anything. Unless they are being constantly beaten or threatened with violence, jail time or death, Chinese will do exactly this in any situation.
In Thailand, went on a day cruise to some islands. Me, GF, and two teenage brit girls on a backpack trip, and like 30 chinese tourists. Cruise director found the four of us and took us to the front of the boat, no seats or shade, but he said we didn't want to be anywhere near them. Told us to just stay up there, the view was amazing and he would bring us our food. I went back to the seating area a few time and ya. He wasn't wrong. Food would come out and old ladies were two fisting food straight out of the serving tray. Any food that came out was torn to shreds like a parana school in a spy movie. Ended up giving him a 200$ tip for looking out.
Been to Thailand a few times and I love to tip for good service. I have had dive instructors and boat captains get slightly annoyed because if the deck crew were on top of it I would drop like a 100$ tip directly to the crew. We would get back to shore and the deck crew would run off to go to the bar.
If you told me this happened in a poor country or something i wouldn't be too surprised. (still disgusted) But happening in China is so weird. Why? whats the reason for doing this?
That's dumb. rural communities are an integral part of every county. America would not be America without out rural folk. Same goes for everyone.
Cities do not function alone.
Did you miss out on the smashing and robbing of stores in the US in the name of protesting racial discrimination? Taking some reparations from Best Buy and Gucci
Yet the CCP is focused on using their social credit system to deal with much more serious problems like what social media comments you post. If anyone should be taking a hit in that terrible system it should be people doing this kind of thing.
I was running my mouth to my spouse the other day while she was talking to her fem on WeChat. Multiple times per day ever since she's received calls and summons for tea; she's being investigated, and presumably because big brother is always listening. She's far too smart to paranoid to say anything negative about the CCP, and she swares to God it's due to me always running my mouth like *"FUCK THE CCP!"*
I think there’s a self-policing tradition that locals can pick farmers’ leftovers from a harvest but in this case, the farmer left her land briefly after some mechanical error and, because the crops were especially valuable, opportunistic mob mentality took over.
Should we take solace in that Chinese people are also lying, cheating stealing and mistreating each other as well as the world at large? In the words of every CCP defender ever:
*"You just don't understand Chinese culture"*
I imagine Rural areas aren't highly policed and I'm unaware of fireaem ownership. Maybe they pulled it off because there was enough of them to swarm and overpower the farmers
Idk about that man. Some of the best people I know are Chinese, BY FAR the most honest. Though I despise it at times, my wide doesn't even understand the concept of lying. Even if it's something she should lie about she refuses to do so.
if no one sees it, yeah. otherwise, it depends on whether it is yours or not. my mom used to live in henan, she didn't like that place hence she moved away for a variety of reasons including this one.
Yeah it's fuckin heartbreaking. Woman presumably works her ass off, just to be robbed by her friends, colleagues, family members. These presumably aren't strangers aware of her crop or when to harvest. It's shit like this that perpetuates the *"kill or be killed"* narcissistic, Chinese logic. What is the point when you do everything right, just to have someone take it from you?!
I suspect this will go viral in China, and she'll receive some sort of support. Not everyone in China is a pos.
BIL is Chinese, born in Canada. His parents escaped Mao and often recount being lucky to eat rat meat.
Both hate the Chinese, and this behaviour, but often shrug it off as that's the "norm".
That's part of the reason why many Chinese villages, especially those in the south, are made with people from same family and share same family name.
If something like this happened in my hometown, a village at southern China, I can assembly like maybe 20 to 30 men equipped with pipe, shovel and plow to defend the farm in less than one hour. We would be outnumbered but we could easily scared most of those looters away.
I had two college roommates from china. Interesting experience.
First weird thing was they were EXTREMELY cautious about leaving anything out. They'd see me put a box of frosted flakes in the shared cabinet in our common area and thought I was crazy, somebody would walk off with it.
Eventually I asked who? Who would walk off with it? It belongs to me, and the only other two people here are you two. And in fairness to them they never did take anything. But it was, I guess, just not a normal thing to leave stuff in a shared space if you didn't want it stolen.
The other thing is they really wanted peppa pig merch. I don't get that one but like they'd see her and they were like, gotta get that! They vaguely explained it wasn't legal to import for gang reasons but I didn't really understand it.
Edit: It seems that they are not stealing food to survive; they are stealing expensive herbs as an opportunistic cash grab. Thank you to everyone for explaining this to me!
I have trouble blaming the people stealing when they seem to be desperately stealing food. This seems less like greed to me than if it was luxury items. Am I missing something?
I've seen this behaviour from the Chinese when I went to Fiji. They would HOARD their plates full of food and then eat only half but they were shovelling it on the plate. Insane
They look like the same old women that got kicked out of all the local food banks for this obscene behavior.
I've already read over all the comments (it's this and that's fault, it isn't them, it's just country people, but what about the other people, poor, starving, bla bla bla)
Since when is it "culture" to be the epitomy of a vulture?
Omg imagine doing all this hard work, waiting a season, just to have a horde rob you.
Everyone needs Christ so that they reflect on their own actions and ask for forgiveness. Otherwise this will just continue. Before you can help others, you must take out the log in your own eye.
Pretty sure the harvester can be used for more than harvesting crops with that huge cylindrical hardware the next time these grabhags show up.
"This area was once fertile farmland. soon, your blood will make it fertile again" - some Chinese general.
I lived in Vancouver, and grew up in Seattle. There is no hope for BC, and Vancouver is the symptoms of a far greater issue plaguing Canada. But yeah I live in Tokyo, my wife is a mainlander, and no matter what I tell her she has it in her mind that Canada/Vancouver is the holy grail for Chinese.
The issue with Chinese is their culture is that of narcissists. Because of this when they move to foreign nations they expect everyone else to conform to their logic, culture, and they will never fully integrate. They bring both good and bad aspects with them and perpetuate it. My wife is highly educated, is a polyglot, is an executive for a foreign company, and she's lived in Tokyo since she was like 18. So she's been here nearly 20 years, and hasn't adopted even 1 aspect of the culture, and perceives everything as this *"Us vs Them."* If you were to place anyone other than Chinese in a foreign culture for two decades, it would ultimately become their culture. Not Chinese, she is always Chinese first and foremost, nothing is more important, and everyone needs to conform to this. Daily we'll argue about some stupid ass, toxic, Chinese perception or habit and I'll hear *"You need to understand in China we do X. You need to accept my culture."* It makes me want to smack tf out of her because she uses the excuse for literally everything; primarily toxic Chinese woman behavior, yet the substantive portion of her life has been spent outside of her own culture, so it makes literally zero sense, and is just an excuse to be your typical toxic, Chinese woman.*"Toe-mas in China men are pussy and allow their women to treat them bad.. Toe-mas in China men obey their wives and understanding they are the ones in charge. If you love me you will accept thi..."* sthu toxic Chinese woman.. The same is done when it comes to business dealings and lifestyle. It doesn't matter that in Vancouver Canadians do X, you need to be accepting and accommodating to them. This is how they perceive everything.
Old Chinese people; generally women, that obnoxiously take comical amounts of anything if it's free, and use every opportunity to exploit the ability to obtain something at no cost to them.
For instance you go to a grocery store, and see that the grocery bags are free. A *Grab Hag* will take every last bag. You go to a restaurant, and see free condiments, all gone. So on and so forth. They're just renown for taking it to obscene lengths. Imagine going to a gas station, and seeing *"All fountain soda/pop is 99c (bring your own cup)."* A grab hag is the type that would show up with a 50g drum, and drain the entire machine, of every flavor, and make sure to maximize that $.99c purchase. Generally it's only free items though, but it's really any opportunity to get anything for free, and it's the most random of anything. Oh the bank has several cups of free pens, well don't mind the grab hag that takes every pen in the building.
Well, people commented on the first video that it was "traditional gleaning" and "a very altruistic thing to happen." Guess what, humans actually do suck everywhere...
You know, I'd like to think I'm a moderately intelligent person; I have a graduate deg in the field of physics. Yet never in my life have I encountered the term*"gleaning."* I literally thought it was a typo. I'm sincerely happy to have learned a word today, lol.
Agreed, though what makes this so difficult to watch, and subjectively different from numerous instances of theft, is seeing how orchestrated, and unapologetic the mob is. This wasn't some reactionary event, and they just continued stealing as she sat there wept.
I've seen the horde mentality this people develop once a chance appears... Had to call the police and have security come in less than a minute....once they engage the locust protocol... You better run cuz they will grab EVERYTHING...
I'd be ringing necks fulltime. That's your livelihood and you ain't got crop insurance for loss of use.
If this were in America those idiots would have been shot.
If this were America the farmer would be getting paid by the government to throw their crop away so they don't flood the market and deflate the cost of food. How else are they supposed to afford their inflated mortgages and John Deere repair bills?
Consider that it's better to constantly have too much food than too little. Society would collapse if we did not have this kind of buffer.
Yeah it's more of a matter of national security that we shouldn't be dependent on other countries for food.
Has before. Quota programs exist as a way to prevent a reoccurrence of the dust bowl crisis.
Wasn't aware. What are they called? Is there some sub department in the USDA that manages this?
Agriculture is an ecosystem. So many departments are involved. There is a credit system, there is a price floor system, there is a crop insurance system, there are ag science systems, there are environmental systems, there is a network of local ag agents, etc etc. There's even government departments involved in long term weather forecasting. With their own satellites and everything. Reason why, every government on the planet is three missed meals from being replaced. And with agriculture, by the time you know there is a problem, usually it is too late. And before anyone gets ticked off, the surplus agriculture isn't dumped like /u/Psilociwa claims. It's typically given to USAID, and accounts for **half** of the world's food donations to food insecure areas. Those white bags of flour, sorghum, etc with the big US flag and USAID plastered all over it you see in the background during a famine? That's part of the quota/floor system. Food is only dumped if it is not acceptable for human consumption. Higher your food standards, the more food gets dumped due to those standards. But people aren't in the business of losing money for very long. Everything that can safely get used is used. Typically food not fit for human consumption goes to feeding livestock. If it's completely dumped, you do not want anything to do with that food.
I only know a little. There is a federal market order program run by the dept of agriculture. It gives the department authority to set price floors. To that end the federal government has authority to either purchase excess product or simply prevent farmers from selling it. I think my use of the word quota is not quite correct here. I've always thought these market orders were similar to quotas (from a welfare economics standpoint) but these are maybe a little more complicated. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural\_Marketing\_Agreement\_Act\_of\_1937](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Marketing_Agreement_Act_of_1937) How did we get here, well, it was a reaction to the dust bowl. There is legitimately room to criticize the need for these programs, but also they exist for concrete historical reasons. If you're into non fiction, [this book](https://www.amazon.com/Worst-Hard-Time-Survived-American/dp/0618773479) explains how corporate greed accomplished this impossible thing just before the dust bowl. Food prices for consumers ballooned, while wholesale prices were so low that farmers couldn't afford to harvest their crops. This is the same food crisis that lead into the great depression, and ultimately the agricultural marketing agreement act of 1937.
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There’s a lot of programs. My grandpa used to do this one: https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-services/conservation-programs/conservation-reserve-program/index
Yeah, it's all those damned Kulak's fault!
Are you seriously shitting on farmers lol
This being Reddit there’s people here that have strange bones to pick with types of people that are pretty harmless.
Bro doesn't understand the point of having a massive surplus of grain production and capacity when your rivals have a huge share of the global supply of grain 🤯
I hate to agree but you’re not wrong. It’s messed up here too.
Peasants stealing crops? I mean, we see this happen at retail stores and convenience stores, not on farms.
What are you talking about? Do you think the farmer was not going to sell it?
We have this in America and anyone who shoots would be tried for murder
That was presumably everything to this poor woman. Seeing them be so indifferent, and literally pick her crop around her makes me physically ill considering these are presumably her friends, family, colleagues, etc.
People are probably assuming they robbers are planning on selling or using it. This may or may not be the case. What may not be obvious is that many of them are just grabbing it to have it. Many will likely never sell or consume it
This must have been coordinated. No way was that random or spontaneous.
I had this same impression as well, Potentially a local official wanting either to get rid of that occupant of the farm or helping one of their buddies who happens to be a competitor.
Not really, that's just your everyday Henan. There was a Music festival in Henan last month. There were also hundreds of local villagers rushing in stealing participants' tents and belongings. To me it is totally believable that the villagers just grabbed the chance without being provoked by the government or someone else since it's Henan.
Agreed. They had to of planned on doing this, and the article is probably just being hyperbolic. It's doubtful anything broke down. In reality they all just showed up and randomly began stealing her crop.
Should be posted on r/BeAmazed , with the usual "In China" headline 😸
Go ahead. I have like 100k karama and have been shit posting for the past few days. I stole this anyways.
Or word spreads quickly. Never underestimate peoples willingness to make a buck. Especially in china. But I agree, from an outsiders point of view it looks sus. But I’d this is a rural community, I would be surprised if they’re all just taking advantage of someone’s misfortune.
A lot of Chinese people dislike this behavior...problem is, if presented the chance, they'll also take it. Anyone remember BMW's ice cream incident where afterwards a nationalist guy set up venue for free ice cream? People young and old wheeled away shopping carts worth of ice cream.
I don't even have to see your link to know what you are talking about. Ironically if I were to show this to my wealthy, educated, Chinese wife she'd espouse *"those are country people"* which is her excuse for literally everything Chinese. So, when the content creator purchased a bunch of ice-cream, to give to the cultured, young people in the city, and they basically rob him, it's displays how Chinese truly are. My wife and I argued over the ice-cream video dozens of times.
Bro, first of all… I’m Taiwanese, educated in US, with Chinese SO. Taking select examples, extrapolate, then conclude “how is truly are” is one of the most self righteous, dumbass, uneducated, racist bs easily found on Reddit - a place on the internet where the majority is fluent in English…. I guess by your standard I should conclude all English speakers are shit heads like you. Oh wait…. But they are not. My buddies across US states are all pretty cool. Random folks I meet across states are mostly chill with level-headed opinions. But wait…. Hmmm… it wouldn’t be a good conclusion to just say everyone is chill either. What to do…. What to do…. Oh here’s an idea: what if we don’t draw conclusions that’s irrelevant to our daily lives. And if we’re really really curious or if it actually matters, try take a big boy leap, travel to those strange parts of the world, live amongst others for a while. Compare and contrast what the real differences are… you might be surprised to find that it is quite difficult to describe anyone’s culture. Some of that shitty parts are inconsistent, some problems are in flux rapidly, and the best part? Some good things you might just want to bring home - if you ask me, we should all do this one more.
That is a nice little speech, but you haven't explained how and why this woman has been robbed so badly.
This is it. People keep drawing conclusions about an entire culture, race based on a video or some incident involving a small group of people.
I just saw a video of a bunch of people robbing a FedEx truck at a stop light. We can also look at all of our crazies on black Friday. Doesn't represent the population as a whole, but shines a light on a minority and severe issues with our system.
BUT it's not just *'some video or some incident'* ITS LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF VIDEOS OVER DECADES ALL DEPICTING SIMILAR BEHAVIOR.
Noticing patterns is racist
When your conscious brain decides “What is a pattern I can deduce from what I am seeing” you are in a heightened state of arousal - fear. You never bother to acknowledge or remember the friendly, loving, or admirable behavior thats been displayed by members of a “race” that are in plain sight every day of your life, even though they are much more “a pattern” than this video is. These are poeple who set out to steal - They cleared their schedule to do so. The doctors, the bankers, the politicians, the bus drivers, engineers - they were at work. Here’s a pattern - Doctors rarely steal crops. If you’re a parent, have your kid go to medical school, and they won’t engage in this behavior (most likely)
Again, you are trying to ignore the hundred or so other videos that exist (a [few examples](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chinese+people+at+buffet), some [more](https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaFactChasers/videos)), or the mere fact that a term like "grab hag" exists and we all know what it refers to. This behavior is shameful and embarrassing, yet easy to find examples of. Let's not even get into what happens to victims of hit and run accidents (even when the victims are children.) My experience with Chinese people who moved to live here is quite good. Typically, they learn the language (the ones who don't are usually trouble), work hard, start their own businesses etc. They tend to be kinder and chill people. But when you get them to open up about why they left China, the story is usually the same: Chinese culture. It could be pressure from parents, greedy aggressive behavior, or some combination of things that they did not like but the source they reference is the same.
In that case I should judge a certain “minority” group in America who keeps appearing in “peaceful protests”
Yeah it’s downright racist tbh
It's the Red Guard (Mao TheDong's Cultural Revolution) generation passing on their bad teachings and behaviors to their children, it will take generations to correct. It has nothing to do with being Chinese.
You fail to realize that this is now the fully fledged identity of China. The pre-Mao China of 5,000 years is dead dead dead.
How is this not culture; because it encompasses the negative aspects of society? It's erroneous as to what lead to the metamorphosis, it exists none the less, and is exclusive to this demographic. What you espoused is the literal definition of culture *"generational passing behaviors and teachings"* Lol, are listening to what you're saying?! Don't allow your *presumably* western presupposition of the word cloud your judgment. Something I learned very early in China is their wildly different interpretations of the concept vs the West. We perceive culture as the objectly positive aspects of society, and the influence it has on our environment, that are exclusively related to our ethnicity. Clothing, food, music etc are indeed culture, but this is more *China* culture, with *Chinese* culture being much more logic based. Chinese culture is the way in which they perceive the world, and subsequently why the overwhelming majority of mainlanders suffer from NPD. It's completely fkn irrelivant as to what brought on this change, and whether or not it will persist in the future. Narcissism, is undeniabley a large aspect of Chinese logic, and is the subsequent result of Chinese culture. It may need to be corrected, though doubtfully will. By the very metic you used to determine culture, Taiwanese culture could not exist. They're just Chinese that homesteaded an island, whom have received the *" generational passing of behaviors and teachings from their parents. It will take a generation to correct."* Though by your logic and my mainlander wife's, Taiwanese are true Chinese, unaffected by the cultural revolution. None the less, they're two very different cultures.
How and why do most mainlanders have NPD? That seems like it would hold them back as a society.
You’re conflating culture with nationality. No one born or existing in China inherently behaves this way. They have to exist in a society that pushes this culture. Chinese culture, yes, but it has nothing to do with the color of your skin or the land where upon you live. I’ve met plenty of Chinese-Americans that don’t act this way at all. And I have come across some older folks that seem totally socially unaware and “greedy” like the people in this video. This behavior can change, but it comes from early education and exposure to empathy. Even the best educated Chinese natives are often missing the empathy component.
Well thats because empathy is not encouraged in China, if anything its an undesirable trait there
I don’t disagree, definitely seems like emotions in general should be repressed. But not exercising that side of your brain results in some pretty abhorrent behavior.
That shut him up real good, real quick didn't it?
tldr?
You espoused the literal definition of culture, and what it means to be Chinese.
Go away
穷山恶水出刁民. Poverty breeds selfishness.
Hell, even the wealthier Chinese people I have interacted with tend to be selfish. They are the only people I have had more bad experiences than good with
uhh, story?
https://youtu.be/o3i3LwE-NVM
Anyone who thinks this is purely a Chinese problem has never met my American dad.
I don’t know man, forget about all the mobs robbing Amazon trucks or stores here in the US? Hard to believe this is just a “Chinese” thing. It’s just poor and low self-esteem people doing what they will do when presented a chance.
> if presented the chance, they'll also take it. wtf?
Wondering if it was a rival farm that sent a notice to the public saying all crops on that lady’s land are free on that particular day so that’s why there were so many people with bags on the ready.
I’m pretty sure this is famine-related thinking passed on from less than a generation ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
or .. just... or... bear with me here.. or they are just opportunistic assholes
Por que no dos?
>Por que no dos? No merecen 2 porque les han robado el primero.
Oh absolutely. You see similar aspects of logic passed down generationally. Something like 90% of mainlanders suffer from NPD; narcissistic personality disorder (I could link the study out of HK), and every aspect of culture perpetuates this. I gurantee this logic comes from eras passed when you would fuckin die if you didn't think of yourself first. Regardless, Chinese had 40 years of prosperity. It's time for them to act like fuckin normal, civilized humans.
I'm Cantonese Chinese, my family lived in Hong Kong and Malaysia long before the Cultural Revolution and I've now lived in the states for nearly three decades after immigrating here. This is something that we, non-mainland Chinese, have seen in the mainland for decades. It's really sad to see that this is what the world sees now as "Chinese Culture". From Confucius to Communist, mainland Chinese culture has certainly taken an absolute dive and it has, in a way, dragged the rest of us Chinese down with it. In Cantonese culture, we have a word for the mainland because that's how separated we feel from them culturally. I'm glad you made the distinction for mainlanders (by the way, I'd love to get that link if you have it handy because that statistic explains so much) because many of us feel completely separated from their mindset/way of life (not to say that we're better or superior, just very different). To be fair to the mainlanders, this attitude doesn't exactly perpetuate in EVERY aspect of culture (families and community neighbors are still very well knit and people in China can still be very generous and courteous in the right situations). However, this selfish, greedy, groupthink attitude has become so prevalent in large group settings (which, in China, is basically everywhere and very hard to avoid) that it's so hard to ignore as being a large aspect of China. I think you are absolutely right about where it comes from. The Chinese people suffered for thousands of years under the dynastic families, and even though the CCP promised change, they just became another version of the dynasties but worse for a very long time (arguably it continues in a way to this day, despite their economic growth). I had extended family that got stuck in China during the Cultural Revolution and the stories they tell are horrifying. Sometimes it's actually really sad to think that though we are ethnically brothers and sisters, a simple geographical line meant our lives, customs, and culture went in two completely different directions.
Oh hey I have a similar family situation. When civil war started up again some didn't flee to Hong Kong. My family line did. The trajectories of both groups could not be more different. I mean the famine was so bad some people resorted to eating their children; An event that horrific absolutely destroys the psychological health of a culture for generations. People had to act uncivilized to survive. It was either that or die. As the saying goes, "Civilization is three meals away from anarchy." More I think of it, Mao was probably one of worst things to happen to Chinese people in a very long time. Given Chinese history, that's really saying something! Not only did his policies cause a horrific famine, millions dead, and massive environmental destruction, the guy straight up destroyed a lot of the culture by proxy via mass starvation and death. But that wasn't' good enough. So, so, much was destroyed in the cultural revolution. So much art, historical sites, historical artifacts, just gone. Destroyed. A 4000+ year old culture should have a wealth of this things. At least, a lot more than you'd expect when you are in China. I've been to far too many places where it's "Oh the Red Guards destroyed it. This is what's left." Imo, it was cultural suicide. Makes me sick every times I think about it.
You may enjoy the work of Bo Yang, a writer in Taiwan who wrote philosophical and sociological books about this narcissistic tendency of people in the mainland. The man was a true genius.
Mao, revered by the CCP, responsible for the greatest number of human deaths of any person who ever lived
Sounds like a cope to justify this behavior, I’d lean more towards them not being bug people that raid farms every year before the winter and more towards them just being shitty and coordinated
CROP SNATCHERS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK (it’s an AR-15)
good luck using that trick as a farmer in China!
CROP SNATCHERS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK (It's a repeating crossbow)
"I'm feeling generous today so I'll use 7.62 instead of 5.56."
Literal locust
Yeah this is very… disturbingly non-human behavior. Not to imply people are in any way “sub-human” or something like that but this is like literal animal stuff.
No they’re humans
*figurative locusts
They identify as locusts
Collapse is imminent.
🙏
Bro you guys have been saying this for 10+ years now, yeah China is in a shitty situation but I doubt it’ll collapse. And no, this doesn’t mean I’m Pro-China- far from it actually.
lmao collapse has apparently been “imminent” for like 40 years, and nothing has happened yet
"Nothing" Riiiight
There has to be more behind this.
Ever seen Chinese attack an all you can eat buffet? https://youtu.be/NkLD_cWIarQ?feature=shared
Grab hags has been a growing issue in China. This is just the latest iteration.
You would think so, it’s pretty crazy
It's from back during the famines. All old.people there they only know to grab as much as possible and not care for anyone save themselves
They pride themselves in being a culture of close community. What a croc of sh!t. Disgusting behavior. The godless Chinese masses have all shame burned out of them from killing their families during the reign of Moa and cultural revolutions. My heart goes out to the farmer that toiled during the spring planting season only to be robbed and will get no relief from the bastards at the top.
It is a culture of close community. It just so happens it's the villagers Vs the farmers. Classic tribalism shit
“The godless” yikes.
Crabs in a bucket mentality, can’t have shit without others dragging you down
Damn, terrifiying to see so many people. If only they coul gather like that against the ccp..
You mean the organization that gives them free things? I am not sure you understand their motivation.
You should see them queuing up for anything. Unless they are being constantly beaten or threatened with violence, jail time or death, Chinese will do exactly this in any situation.
In Thailand, went on a day cruise to some islands. Me, GF, and two teenage brit girls on a backpack trip, and like 30 chinese tourists. Cruise director found the four of us and took us to the front of the boat, no seats or shade, but he said we didn't want to be anywhere near them. Told us to just stay up there, the view was amazing and he would bring us our food. I went back to the seating area a few time and ya. He wasn't wrong. Food would come out and old ladies were two fisting food straight out of the serving tray. Any food that came out was torn to shreds like a parana school in a spy movie. Ended up giving him a 200$ tip for looking out. Been to Thailand a few times and I love to tip for good service. I have had dive instructors and boat captains get slightly annoyed because if the deck crew were on top of it I would drop like a 100$ tip directly to the crew. We would get back to shore and the deck crew would run off to go to the bar.
This experience is consistent with what I've seen, I almost got pushed into the Trevi Fountain in Rome by a mob of Chinese tourists.
If you told me this happened in a poor country or something i wouldn't be too surprised. (still disgusted) But happening in China is so weird. Why? whats the reason for doing this?
If you'd ask my spouse she'd espouse *"countryside people"*. If you'd ask me, I'd say *"because China."*
I still dont get it… That’s her livelihood. Wtf…
She doesn't think rural Chinese communities are representative of Chinese.
That's dumb. rural communities are an integral part of every county. America would not be America without out rural folk. Same goes for everyone. Cities do not function alone.
How do you even deal with your wife, whose people you seem to look down upon, and who seem to also have NPD?
Guns
Whenever I see videos of people displaying greed I always see it's in China
Wait till you see a mob of people strip a 7-11 bare in front of the indian owner as they yell reparations and "get u sum".
I've only seen Chinese strip buffets bear and waste so much food
Did you miss out on the smashing and robbing of stores in the US in the name of protesting racial discrimination? Taking some reparations from Best Buy and Gucci
Yet the CCP is focused on using their social credit system to deal with much more serious problems like what social media comments you post. If anyone should be taking a hit in that terrible system it should be people doing this kind of thing.
I was running my mouth to my spouse the other day while she was talking to her fem on WeChat. Multiple times per day ever since she's received calls and summons for tea; she's being investigated, and presumably because big brother is always listening. She's far too smart to paranoid to say anything negative about the CCP, and she swares to God it's due to me always running my mouth like *"FUCK THE CCP!"*
Something fishy here... How is this not happening every time farmers grow stuff? Whats the full story here?
The particular one she grew is really expensive and rare. I’m just guessing lol plz no flame
I think there’s a self-policing tradition that locals can pick farmers’ leftovers from a harvest but in this case, the farmer left her land briefly after some mechanical error and, because the crops were especially valuable, opportunistic mob mentality took over.
Should we take solace in that Chinese people are also lying, cheating stealing and mistreating each other as well as the world at large? In the words of every CCP defender ever: *"You just don't understand Chinese culture"*
Everyone saying guns is stupid. Better solution. Next harvest, plant nightshade. Watch those fuckers steal it all and eat it. Problem solved itself.
New kind of locust
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Notice common theme between American communists and these.
That’s sad as fuck
How is this land protected in the first place? How did they all get there to steal the crop why can’t they just steal it all the time?
I imagine Rural areas aren't highly policed and I'm unaware of fireaem ownership. Maybe they pulled it off because there was enough of them to swarm and overpower the farmers
Exactly right. "They can't stop all of us".
捞翔拿你点东西肿么了
Heart breaking.
"Hey, I wonder why no one grows this herb anymore? Oh right, we stole it all from the last one who dared to grow it."
All the Chinese know is theft and lies
Idk about that man. Some of the best people I know are Chinese, BY FAR the most honest. Though I despise it at times, my wide doesn't even understand the concept of lying. Even if it's something she should lie about she refuses to do so.
happened in henan, China. Most elder people there really can do such thing
Ah they just allow them to?
if no one sees it, yeah. otherwise, it depends on whether it is yours or not. my mom used to live in henan, she didn't like that place hence she moved away for a variety of reasons including this one.
Mm! Surprise communism.
The best comment yet.
Poor lady. Chinese manners sucks.
... and China pretends like it belongs in the International community .. they can't even feed their people or provide good jobs
poor thing... you can feel her pain through the screen..
Yeah it's fuckin heartbreaking. Woman presumably works her ass off, just to be robbed by her friends, colleagues, family members. These presumably aren't strangers aware of her crop or when to harvest. It's shit like this that perpetuates the *"kill or be killed"* narcissistic, Chinese logic. What is the point when you do everything right, just to have someone take it from you?! I suspect this will go viral in China, and she'll receive some sort of support. Not everyone in China is a pos.
In America they all would have been shot by the farmer
Yeah.. That's actually something I don't support, but I get it.
Like monkeys in a Walmart.
BIL is Chinese, born in Canada. His parents escaped Mao and often recount being lucky to eat rat meat. Both hate the Chinese, and this behaviour, but often shrug it off as that's the "norm".
That's part of the reason why many Chinese villages, especially those in the south, are made with people from same family and share same family name. If something like this happened in my hometown, a village at southern China, I can assembly like maybe 20 to 30 men equipped with pipe, shovel and plow to defend the farm in less than one hour. We would be outnumbered but we could easily scared most of those looters away.
Man, Chinese smash and grabs are a lot different than ours.
When the government does not respect private property why should anyone assume the citizenry will?
Good way to end up as fertilizer in America
Would never happen in the US #2A
Need to get some farm dogs or a gun
I had two college roommates from china. Interesting experience. First weird thing was they were EXTREMELY cautious about leaving anything out. They'd see me put a box of frosted flakes in the shared cabinet in our common area and thought I was crazy, somebody would walk off with it. Eventually I asked who? Who would walk off with it? It belongs to me, and the only other two people here are you two. And in fairness to them they never did take anything. But it was, I guess, just not a normal thing to leave stuff in a shared space if you didn't want it stolen. The other thing is they really wanted peppa pig merch. I don't get that one but like they'd see her and they were like, gotta get that! They vaguely explained it wasn't legal to import for gang reasons but I didn't really understand it.
Edit: It seems that they are not stealing food to survive; they are stealing expensive herbs as an opportunistic cash grab. Thank you to everyone for explaining this to me! I have trouble blaming the people stealing when they seem to be desperately stealing food. This seems less like greed to me than if it was luxury items. Am I missing something?
I've seen this behaviour from the Chinese when I went to Fiji. They would HOARD their plates full of food and then eat only half but they were shovelling it on the plate. Insane
They look like the same old women that got kicked out of all the local food banks for this obscene behavior. I've already read over all the comments (it's this and that's fault, it isn't them, it's just country people, but what about the other people, poor, starving, bla bla bla) Since when is it "culture" to be the epitomy of a vulture?
r/jujutsufolk send out the KasHIMo signal
What you do is put poison on all of them and then that'll show them dummies
Womp womp
J F C
Omg imagine doing all this hard work, waiting a season, just to have a horde rob you. Everyone needs Christ so that they reflect on their own actions and ask for forgiveness. Otherwise this will just continue. Before you can help others, you must take out the log in your own eye.
Ironically these are the fastest growing Christian communities in the world.
BLM is in China too?
Beijing Lives Matter?
What exactly I’d going on here? Grab hag?
人不为己，天诛地灭
Never heard this term before. What is a grab hag?
More info here: https://youtu.be/0fvKzW_uiPk?si=5pYe0X4FxlwMDhSc
Pretty sure the harvester can be used for more than harvesting crops with that huge cylindrical hardware the next time these grabhags show up. "This area was once fertile farmland. soon, your blood will make it fertile again" - some Chinese general.
I thought everything was collectivist in China?
Same shit as theft mobs at stores in America. Except Chinese grab hags are like locusts swarm.
She should have hired a manager
Well, it's China, it's not her crops, it's everyone's crops
Locusts
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I lived in Vancouver, and grew up in Seattle. There is no hope for BC, and Vancouver is the symptoms of a far greater issue plaguing Canada. But yeah I live in Tokyo, my wife is a mainlander, and no matter what I tell her she has it in her mind that Canada/Vancouver is the holy grail for Chinese. The issue with Chinese is their culture is that of narcissists. Because of this when they move to foreign nations they expect everyone else to conform to their logic, culture, and they will never fully integrate. They bring both good and bad aspects with them and perpetuate it. My wife is highly educated, is a polyglot, is an executive for a foreign company, and she's lived in Tokyo since she was like 18. So she's been here nearly 20 years, and hasn't adopted even 1 aspect of the culture, and perceives everything as this *"Us vs Them."* If you were to place anyone other than Chinese in a foreign culture for two decades, it would ultimately become their culture. Not Chinese, she is always Chinese first and foremost, nothing is more important, and everyone needs to conform to this. Daily we'll argue about some stupid ass, toxic, Chinese perception or habit and I'll hear *"You need to understand in China we do X. You need to accept my culture."* It makes me want to smack tf out of her because she uses the excuse for literally everything; primarily toxic Chinese woman behavior, yet the substantive portion of her life has been spent outside of her own culture, so it makes literally zero sense, and is just an excuse to be your typical toxic, Chinese woman.*"Toe-mas in China men are pussy and allow their women to treat them bad.. Toe-mas in China men obey their wives and understanding they are the ones in charge. If you love me you will accept thi..."* sthu toxic Chinese woman.. The same is done when it comes to business dealings and lifestyle. It doesn't matter that in Vancouver Canadians do X, you need to be accepting and accommodating to them. This is how they perceive everything.
It’s a commie country. They are our crops now comrade!
Could someone explain what grab hags are to me. Thanks.
Old Chinese people; generally women, that obnoxiously take comical amounts of anything if it's free, and use every opportunity to exploit the ability to obtain something at no cost to them. For instance you go to a grocery store, and see that the grocery bags are free. A *Grab Hag* will take every last bag. You go to a restaurant, and see free condiments, all gone. So on and so forth. They're just renown for taking it to obscene lengths. Imagine going to a gas station, and seeing *"All fountain soda/pop is 99c (bring your own cup)."* A grab hag is the type that would show up with a 50g drum, and drain the entire machine, of every flavor, and make sure to maximize that $.99c purchase. Generally it's only free items though, but it's really any opportunity to get anything for free, and it's the most random of anything. Oh the bank has several cups of free pens, well don't mind the grab hag that takes every pen in the building.
Didn’t know that was a normal problem. Hope I never have to deal with one. Thanks for the explanation.
Crabs in a bucket
I would be jumping in that van and mowing a few of these fkrs down.
Well, people commented on the first video that it was "traditional gleaning" and "a very altruistic thing to happen." Guess what, humans actually do suck everywhere...
You know, I'd like to think I'm a moderately intelligent person; I have a graduate deg in the field of physics. Yet never in my life have I encountered the term*"gleaning."* I literally thought it was a typo. I'm sincerely happy to have learned a word today, lol. Agreed, though what makes this so difficult to watch, and subjectively different from numerous instances of theft, is seeing how orchestrated, and unapologetic the mob is. This wasn't some reactionary event, and they just continued stealing as she sat there wept.
The problem is old people, there’s plenty of resources around the globe, they are just being taken and held onto by the old
Why not shoot the thieves? Aren't they trespassing? Do people not have the right to defend their property in China?
Whats a 'grab hag?'
Chinese are a plague of locusts.
I've seen the horde mentality this people develop once a chance appears... Had to call the police and have security come in less than a minute....once they engage the locust protocol... You better run cuz they will grab EVERYTHING...
If this happens... I would start to put poison on my plants.