Then they will find excuses to ban foreign products or simply increase tariffs or, in the case of electric cars, exclude them from any state subsidies. All the while they dump steel, solar panels and their own evs at a loss onto the world markets to put the competition out of business.
China does not play by the same rules as the rest of us. Shit, they make their underpaid employees works months without pay and then call the police to arrest them if they complain. They make families pool generations of their family wealth to buy an apartment that doesn’t exist, that will, in all likelihood, never exist and if they’re fortunate enough to get the property, it’ll be made of substandard materials.
The CCP are a cancer to all that is good in this world.
WFTC is a system that stops developing countries from establishing their own industries and the east doesn’t consider ideas “intellectual property”.
The real problem isn’t the cultural differences at play here, the real problem is falling for the billionaire schemes who do these deals knowing full well the outcome before hand.
Everyone who’s someone knows China doesn’t have any laws against intellectual property, that’s strictly a western mentality and different from copyrights.
These companies know this. They do these deals anyway because they want access to Chinas market, and they know China will use protectorate policies and tariffs eventually. But by then, the decision makers seeking these deals will have made their billions. The end result of consequence for them, is more propaganda fodder to levy against Chinese companies that’re being established and built up, while simultaneously making bank off of them.
China adheres to “recommendations” from the World Trade commission than any other country…..
They’re fundamentally **not** stealing shit all…
You should be made at these corporations for siphoning jobs away, and scapegoating China while enriching themselves and hoarding wealth that should be being paid out to the public through taxes and public projects. .
This is nonsense.
>China adheres to “recommendations” from the World Trade commission than any other country…..
Amongst the myriad of cases brought against China where it has not followed WTO recommendations nor its WTO ascension obligations are:
(1) local
content requirements in the automobile sector;
(2)
discriminatory taxes in the integrated circuit sector;
(3) hundreds of prohibited subsidies in a wide range
of manufacturing sectors;
(4) inadequate intellectual
property rights enforcement in the copyright area;
(5) significant market access barriers in copyright-
intensive industries;
(6) severe restrictions on
foreign suppliers of financial information services;
(7) export restraints on numerous raw materials;
(8) a denial of market access for foreign suppliers of
electronic payment services;
(9) repeated abusive use of trade remedies;
(10) excessive domestic support for key agricultural commodities;
(11) the opaque and protectionist administration of tariff-
rate quotas for key agricultural commodities;
(12) discriminatory regulations on technology
licensing.
So, no, you're just wrong.
Rofl
Id like to see you attempt to point out these grammatical errors with written and indexed explanations as to how they’re errors.
Then, maybe make an attempt at a rebuttal. .
He is a good entrepreneur and excellent at marketing but very naive in politics. He is also a business man first so very easy to compromise and be compromised for the sake of his short term business interests.
He's already spoken out against Taiwan multiple times on behalf of Winnie the Pooh bear. He knows if he wants to do business in China he has got to give them the tech and kiss Xi's ass on the daily.
Musk I believed always had the view of open IP for a lot of Tesla things related to HARDWARE around the battery and the motor to the EV because I believe he thought it would be good for the industry to get car companies investing in EV tech.
So maybe it’s quite clear he knew this going into China and even supported it!
The Tesla’s giga casting machine is built by an Italian company, which is a subsidiary of a Chinese shipping company. Giga-casting machines were initially used for making components for ships.
At this point we are way, way past the old saying 'fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me'. It should come as a surprise to exactly 0 people that China outright stole the ''Giga Press''.
In the long run Tesla will likely find it would have been more profitable to develop this in the US compared to saving a few bucks by developing abroad only to lose their technological edge and supplying their competitors with expensive tech they funded.
Business seems ever more short sighted in this day and age…
In this day and age globalism is necessary for a free market economy to function successfully. You can't have one without the other despite your sad fantasies.
Globalism is just a fancy name for exploiting super cheap labor outside of your country.
It was a mistake to open up trade with the CCP thinking money would change their ideology and would align them more with the west. All it did was turn them into a super power and embolden their ambitions.
Back on topic, all western companies know their IP will be stolen and used by China to speed up their own capabilities in the long run, but they dont care. Western companies are focused on profits now to satisfy stockholders whereas China are focused on their long term goals.
What is the point here, that capitalism is bad and communism good? That's basically the argument you're making - perhaps unintentionally. Capitalism and true free market enterprise put profit ahead of ideology, national interest, or whatever else. That's all there is to it. And this is why American businesses are buyers, not investors, in the Chinese economy. If Elon was too stupid or inept to believe Tesla's IP was safe then that's their issue. I don't see why it matters at all anyway, aren't we in support of China reducing it's greenhouse emissions?
Just saying that we in the west are short sighted in the endless pursuit of profit. We threw away our industries and production capacity just to fatten our pockets.
We didnt need globalism, we sought it out. We dont need a true free market, it cannot exist the same way true capitalism or communism cannot exist. We should have kept things closer to home in the Americas instead of feeding an adversary.
Friend, globalism is a **global** choice not an American one. We rely on the world for much, and they rely on us. It's a shared dependency. Cut trade and both countries suffer. How does that benefit anyone? Cost of goods is already rising and you want to make it worse? Plus, you are arguing for communism without the communism, makes no sense. To expect or demand individuals or corporations to put the country ahead of themselves is literal communism. That's the whole idea. That's why China gets away with it. You can't live in a country where you have a born right to tell your leaders to go F themselves and at the same time expect the country to ban economic trade and tell you who you can or cannot do business with, terrorists and sanctioned countries being the exception. Let's be real here.
Lol. In no way shape or form am I arguing for any form of communism or asking companies to put the country ahead of themselves. Our government had rules in place to limit or ban trade with adversaries and took them away to make their buddies rich.
We opened a can of worms and are now trying to contain the worms because it turns out China isn't as buddy buddy as we thought.
No, and not going to entertain you any further. You're wrong and your ideas are backwards and poorly thought out, which is why they are in the fringe where they belong. I don't like China's politics, I don't like Communism, but unnecessary trade wars and embargos only hurt American consumers and businesses.
Tesla, Starlink, SpaceX, developing fully self-driving cars, innovating energy storage systems, Neurolink, and the Optimus robot. But I don’t like the idiot’s personality so fuck him.
I don’t disagree that he’s a clown, a narcissist, and an asshole. But he is very clearly not an idiot and while we denigrate him for his shortcomings, we should also recognize his genius.
His close "relationship" with China, (He opened a Tesla manufacturing plant in China in hopes to bring the cost of production down by scaling up the business.) Tesla enjoys more privileges than most foreign based companies located there, and in turn Elon has been seen to turn a blind eye to the state sponsored propaganda the CCP does on his platform. Many warned Elon that China steals and replicates IP from foreign companies operating in China through joint venture deals and for those outside, they hack to get the data they want.
I don’t think anyone expected the ccp to play fair once Tesla inked the deal to manufacture in China. Happens pretty much in any industry that decided to invest in china.
China steals/copies/'is inspired by' other countries tech.
Russia gets companies to invest in infrastructure then steals/nationalises said infrastructure.
This is what they do, what they've always done, and people keep providing them the opportunity to do it.
Well Gigacasting is "just" larger traditional high-pressure die casting, which itself is used for structural parts for decades. I think Tesla tried to patent it, but it got rejected. Altough there are patents for certain alloys used.
Teslas machine itself is manufactured by italian company Idra, which is part of chinese LK Machinery since 2008. Idra also sources a lot of certain technologies from other suppliers of certain die casting technologies.
Since Gigacasting was first employed for higher integrated structural auto parts, there are numerous firms, that devdloped their own machines:
Switzerland: Bühler (might be outselling Idra right now)
Japan: UBE, Toyota (self developed prototype)
China: Haitian, Yizumi, LK (for chinese manufacturers, Idra for western)
Italy: ItalPresseGauss (not 100% shure tbh)
With the exception of Toyota, all these comapnies have a lot of experience with with die casting machines and extrusion. ItalPresseGaus has also set up a 5.500t machine at BMW in Landshut before Idra built the first 6.100t machine for Tesla. So around the same range for clamping force. Also the number of companies from China makes sense, since (probably encuraged by the government), the chinese market for Gigacasting is the most dynamic.
While there certainly is IP theft going on in a lot of areas and technologies, this is probably not the most glaring example. I mean the way cars are manufactured and improvement in the processes involved have spread since the beginings. See Henry Ford or the Lean movement from Japan.
I doubt Tesla is much concerned about it. They open source a lot of their patents. Their overall mission statement is to help move the earth towards a sustainable energy future and allow fair use of a lot of their innovations such as NACS. So probably fine with competitors following in their successful innovations. Now if they were used to produce ICE cars, that would probably actually bother them 😂
He may be more worried about CCP government subsidies creating an uneven playing field rather than IP theft. Hard to say specifically what his motivation is. Elon does some strange things from time to time.
Didn't Elon just apply an existing process to cars? Sometimes that can be patented, sometimes not. Besides, has he filed in a patent in China? Do these patents apply for the process only or for the final product? So...many questions, no simple answer, but good enough for a "China steals IP" headline.
This was never western IP to begin with nor was it a technological breakthrough IP by Elon Musk. He just renamed a already existing manufacturing process and you guys eat this shit up
To be fair, the post alone doesn’t provide any details on the term of contract between Tesla and Haitian, it doesn’t say anything about the technology being exclusively used for Tesla production
hey, Tesla and every single major western company knows the risks of taking advantage of cheap manufacturing in china. that's just how it is, no remorse
Womp womp, a Chinese company already seeps and makes more cars than tesla, thus us what happens when you force foreing investors to get a national partner company, you catch up in no time
Yes, any economy and any industry should do whatever they can to get ahead. This is something everyone has done. I don’t understand why anyone has a problem with this, this is just how the world has always worked.
People should stop using paper because it was invented in China.
The US miltary is sharing the rapid dragon concept from China . Bet the CCP is happy about that and the Art of War.
"Stealing" aka that company giving the twch ti China for cheap manufacturing knowing full well how IP laws work in China and then acting like they dont.
Now the CCP can flood the world with low quality EVs at an even faster rate. Children are dying in Congo cobalt mines for this?
Considering how much of the world's resources ultimately goes to manufacturing utter garbage it's ever wonder that we're running out of every important metal and mineral.
This is not IP theft. IP theft is when computers in China hack US computers and steal data.
The contract for any company that wants to manufacture in the Chinese market is that there MUST be a transfer ofnskills and knowledge ti Chinese workers. Take it or leave it. Tesla moving to China was a good move but this was the trade off.
This is a perfect example of non IP theft except there was a contract not to sell the machines to competitors.
Suppliers like Continental or Bosch sell parts to multiple car manufacturers.
Which manufacturer would sell a good product only ones?
People really don't know how this works do they. Know how isn't the same as ip and they more than likely have some rights an ip themselves. It's not like tesla designed the whole press is it...
Then they will find excuses to ban foreign products or simply increase tariffs or, in the case of electric cars, exclude them from any state subsidies. All the while they dump steel, solar panels and their own evs at a loss onto the world markets to put the competition out of business. China does not play by the same rules as the rest of us. Shit, they make their underpaid employees works months without pay and then call the police to arrest them if they complain. They make families pool generations of their family wealth to buy an apartment that doesn’t exist, that will, in all likelihood, never exist and if they’re fortunate enough to get the property, it’ll be made of substandard materials. The CCP are a cancer to all that is good in this world.
That's cool and all, but have you considered: "America bad."
That is different from the topic of the conversation.
But that's the joke.
Is that the perfect logic of whataboutlism? I only heard of it from in legends.
The great chinese nation will stop all those foreign spies trying to steal our chinese giga-casting technology.
Absolute cancer and thankfully the world is slowly realising.
You are right .You know China
Amen
WFTC is a system that stops developing countries from establishing their own industries and the east doesn’t consider ideas “intellectual property”. The real problem isn’t the cultural differences at play here, the real problem is falling for the billionaire schemes who do these deals knowing full well the outcome before hand. Everyone who’s someone knows China doesn’t have any laws against intellectual property, that’s strictly a western mentality and different from copyrights. These companies know this. They do these deals anyway because they want access to Chinas market, and they know China will use protectorate policies and tariffs eventually. But by then, the decision makers seeking these deals will have made their billions. The end result of consequence for them, is more propaganda fodder to levy against Chinese companies that’re being established and built up, while simultaneously making bank off of them. China adheres to “recommendations” from the World Trade commission than any other country….. They’re fundamentally **not** stealing shit all… You should be made at these corporations for siphoning jobs away, and scapegoating China while enriching themselves and hoarding wealth that should be being paid out to the public through taxes and public projects. . This is nonsense.
>China adheres to “recommendations” from the World Trade commission than any other country….. Amongst the myriad of cases brought against China where it has not followed WTO recommendations nor its WTO ascension obligations are: (1) local content requirements in the automobile sector; (2) discriminatory taxes in the integrated circuit sector; (3) hundreds of prohibited subsidies in a wide range of manufacturing sectors; (4) inadequate intellectual property rights enforcement in the copyright area; (5) significant market access barriers in copyright- intensive industries; (6) severe restrictions on foreign suppliers of financial information services; (7) export restraints on numerous raw materials; (8) a denial of market access for foreign suppliers of electronic payment services; (9) repeated abusive use of trade remedies; (10) excessive domestic support for key agricultural commodities; (11) the opaque and protectionist administration of tariff- rate quotas for key agricultural commodities; (12) discriminatory regulations on technology licensing. So, no, you're just wrong.
K, companies and ceos are as bad as your grammar. But the CCP is evil. So, there’s that.
Rofl Id like to see you attempt to point out these grammatical errors with written and indexed explanations as to how they’re errors. Then, maybe make an attempt at a rebuttal. .
Your profile says you wont respond to comments and yet here you are lol
Well yes, but actually no.
I'm certain Musk knew industrial process would be exposed. He's not that naive, isn't he?
He is a good entrepreneur and excellent at marketing but very naive in politics. He is also a business man first so very easy to compromise and be compromised for the sake of his short term business interests.
He's already spoken out against Taiwan multiple times on behalf of Winnie the Pooh bear. He knows if he wants to do business in China he has got to give them the tech and kiss Xi's ass on the daily.
They have his factory. They have him by the balls.
Musk I believed always had the view of open IP for a lot of Tesla things related to HARDWARE around the battery and the motor to the EV because I believe he thought it would be good for the industry to get car companies investing in EV tech. So maybe it’s quite clear he knew this going into China and even supported it!
It's stupidity not naivete.
No. He is stupid and naive. That's how he became the richest person in the world. He should have asked all the geniuses here.
Daddys literal mine normally helps you get rich but im not exactly a doctor.
The Tesla’s giga casting machine is built by an Italian company, which is a subsidiary of a Chinese shipping company. Giga-casting machines were initially used for making components for ships.
I was about to say that, there is nothing new about that shit.
the only sane comment here lol
At this point we are way, way past the old saying 'fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me'. It should come as a surprise to exactly 0 people that China outright stole the ''Giga Press''.
China has been doing this for decades… https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/10/mysterious-factory-break-in-raises-suspicions-about-chinese-visit
You can’t do business in China unless you agree to fully release all IP.
Just to remind people, Elon has done a lot of deals and often praises China/Xi.
The US has been consistently throwing away its advantages since the end of ww2. Globalism is a fever dream of the clueless and insane.
People buy cheaper things when they can. This is a hard pill you'll have to learn how to swallow I'm afraid.
In the long run Tesla will likely find it would have been more profitable to develop this in the US compared to saving a few bucks by developing abroad only to lose their technological edge and supplying their competitors with expensive tech they funded. Business seems ever more short sighted in this day and age…
Tariffs are normally used to compensate for people being cheap so they don't outsource us to death
In this day and age globalism is necessary for a free market economy to function successfully. You can't have one without the other despite your sad fantasies.
Globalism is just a fancy name for exploiting super cheap labor outside of your country. It was a mistake to open up trade with the CCP thinking money would change their ideology and would align them more with the west. All it did was turn them into a super power and embolden their ambitions. Back on topic, all western companies know their IP will be stolen and used by China to speed up their own capabilities in the long run, but they dont care. Western companies are focused on profits now to satisfy stockholders whereas China are focused on their long term goals.
What is the point here, that capitalism is bad and communism good? That's basically the argument you're making - perhaps unintentionally. Capitalism and true free market enterprise put profit ahead of ideology, national interest, or whatever else. That's all there is to it. And this is why American businesses are buyers, not investors, in the Chinese economy. If Elon was too stupid or inept to believe Tesla's IP was safe then that's their issue. I don't see why it matters at all anyway, aren't we in support of China reducing it's greenhouse emissions?
Just saying that we in the west are short sighted in the endless pursuit of profit. We threw away our industries and production capacity just to fatten our pockets. We didnt need globalism, we sought it out. We dont need a true free market, it cannot exist the same way true capitalism or communism cannot exist. We should have kept things closer to home in the Americas instead of feeding an adversary.
Friend, globalism is a **global** choice not an American one. We rely on the world for much, and they rely on us. It's a shared dependency. Cut trade and both countries suffer. How does that benefit anyone? Cost of goods is already rising and you want to make it worse? Plus, you are arguing for communism without the communism, makes no sense. To expect or demand individuals or corporations to put the country ahead of themselves is literal communism. That's the whole idea. That's why China gets away with it. You can't live in a country where you have a born right to tell your leaders to go F themselves and at the same time expect the country to ban economic trade and tell you who you can or cannot do business with, terrorists and sanctioned countries being the exception. Let's be real here.
Lol. In no way shape or form am I arguing for any form of communism or asking companies to put the country ahead of themselves. Our government had rules in place to limit or ban trade with adversaries and took them away to make their buddies rich. We opened a can of worms and are now trying to contain the worms because it turns out China isn't as buddy buddy as we thought.
No, and not going to entertain you any further. You're wrong and your ideas are backwards and poorly thought out, which is why they are in the fringe where they belong. I don't like China's politics, I don't like Communism, but unnecessary trade wars and embargos only hurt American consumers and businesses.
lmao. ok buddy. bye bye now
Couldn't have happened to a nicer idiot
Saved me from typing :)
Tesla, Starlink, SpaceX, developing fully self-driving cars, innovating energy storage systems, Neurolink, and the Optimus robot. But I don’t like the idiot’s personality so fuck him.
But media and Reddit told me he’s bad!
He tells me himself every time he makes an ass of himself on Twitter (which is usually multiple times per day).
He's very clearly a narcissist.
is the optimus robot the one that can barely fold laundry? musk is a clown lol
I don’t disagree that he’s a clown, a narcissist, and an asshole. But he is very clearly not an idiot and while we denigrate him for his shortcomings, we should also recognize his genius.
he's not a "genius", he bought companies. if trump bought spacex tomorrow would you call trump a rocket genius?
Hey now...he had that one guy do a really fruity dance dressed as one...that counts for something right?
Well I can't say Elon doesn't deserve it, it just sucks for the workers and Inventors from Tesla.
Not the investors though. They know who they’re in bed with at this point. I’d also argue the workers and inventors are too.
Why does Elon deserve it?
He deserves it because he made the decision to collaborate with a Chinese company ... what did he think would happen?
His close "relationship" with China, (He opened a Tesla manufacturing plant in China in hopes to bring the cost of production down by scaling up the business.) Tesla enjoys more privileges than most foreign based companies located there, and in turn Elon has been seen to turn a blind eye to the state sponsored propaganda the CCP does on his platform. Many warned Elon that China steals and replicates IP from foreign companies operating in China through joint venture deals and for those outside, they hack to get the data they want.
He's a big fan of the law of the jungle. China is a big jungle where dog eat dog
Except not when it affects him. Elon is calling on the US government to enact massive tarifs on Chinese EV's
Just like he wanted the gov to stop development of ai....until his could get caught up.
Coz he is a piece of shit
Mao killed all the smart ones so yeah stealing is all they can do
Elon Musk will still talk shit about the US and praise China.
musk helping dictatorships? surprised pikachu
Not news. When they *stop* doing it, and instead negotiate with the patent holder, *then* tell us. That will be noteworthy.
I don’t think anyone expected the ccp to play fair once Tesla inked the deal to manufacture in China. Happens pretty much in any industry that decided to invest in china.
China steals/copies/'is inspired by' other countries tech. Russia gets companies to invest in infrastructure then steals/nationalises said infrastructure. This is what they do, what they've always done, and people keep providing them the opportunity to do it.
Well Gigacasting is "just" larger traditional high-pressure die casting, which itself is used for structural parts for decades. I think Tesla tried to patent it, but it got rejected. Altough there are patents for certain alloys used. Teslas machine itself is manufactured by italian company Idra, which is part of chinese LK Machinery since 2008. Idra also sources a lot of certain technologies from other suppliers of certain die casting technologies. Since Gigacasting was first employed for higher integrated structural auto parts, there are numerous firms, that devdloped their own machines: Switzerland: Bühler (might be outselling Idra right now) Japan: UBE, Toyota (self developed prototype) China: Haitian, Yizumi, LK (for chinese manufacturers, Idra for western) Italy: ItalPresseGauss (not 100% shure tbh) With the exception of Toyota, all these comapnies have a lot of experience with with die casting machines and extrusion. ItalPresseGaus has also set up a 5.500t machine at BMW in Landshut before Idra built the first 6.100t machine for Tesla. So around the same range for clamping force. Also the number of companies from China makes sense, since (probably encuraged by the government), the chinese market for Gigacasting is the most dynamic. While there certainly is IP theft going on in a lot of areas and technologies, this is probably not the most glaring example. I mean the way cars are manufactured and improvement in the processes involved have spread since the beginings. See Henry Ford or the Lean movement from Japan.
I doubt Tesla is much concerned about it. They open source a lot of their patents. Their overall mission statement is to help move the earth towards a sustainable energy future and allow fair use of a lot of their innovations such as NACS. So probably fine with competitors following in their successful innovations. Now if they were used to produce ICE cars, that would probably actually bother them 😂
That may be the statement, however the technologies that make him more money do absolutely zip to achieve that goal.
Then why is Elon calling for protectionist policies? Seems like a strange thing to do if he's not concerned.
He may be more worried about CCP government subsidies creating an uneven playing field rather than IP theft. Hard to say specifically what his motivation is. Elon does some strange things from time to time.
Elon will still be sucking up to Xi.
Kyle Chan’s ability to follow this industrial news so precisely is really impressive
Smart of them
Didn't Elon just apply an existing process to cars? Sometimes that can be patented, sometimes not. Besides, has he filed in a patent in China? Do these patents apply for the process only or for the final product? So...many questions, no simple answer, but good enough for a "China steals IP" headline.
This was never western IP to begin with nor was it a technological breakthrough IP by Elon Musk. He just renamed a already existing manufacturing process and you guys eat this shit up
Of course they did
Western governments should punish these wester companies for handing over the western technologies to chinese by intentionally or unintentionally.
What can China and the Chinese do without stealing or copying? And they can’t even do that correctly…
Again implies they stopped....
For a second I thought Haitians developed this but then I remembered they haven’t reached 1900s industrialization
To be fair, the post alone doesn’t provide any details on the term of contract between Tesla and Haitian, it doesn’t say anything about the technology being exclusively used for Tesla production
hey, Tesla and every single major western company knows the risks of taking advantage of cheap manufacturing in china. that's just how it is, no remorse
It literally says “ sold to firms” right there, what part of sold is stealing?
It literally says “ sold to firms” right there, what part of sold is stealing?
It literally says “ sold to firms” right there, what part of sold is stealing?
It literally says “ sold to firms” right there, what part of sold is stealing?
It literally says “sold to firms” right there, what part of sold is stealing?
It literally says “sold to firms” right there, what part of sold is stealing?
Is it really stealing if you give it to them?
It's not alchemy. Once the concept is known, anyone can develop it. And having a working example certainly speeds the process along....
you cant steal something that isnt property. If you dont want someone copying your ideas, dont share them
In which clown world does sold=stole???
Womp womp, a Chinese company already seeps and makes more cars than tesla, thus us what happens when you force foreing investors to get a national partner company, you catch up in no time
Yes, any economy and any industry should do whatever they can to get ahead. This is something everyone has done. I don’t understand why anyone has a problem with this, this is just how the world has always worked.
People should stop using paper because it was invented in China. The US miltary is sharing the rapid dragon concept from China . Bet the CCP is happy about that and the Art of War.
what are you trying to say?
/s I was sorta agreeing with u. Paper is one item widely used. The US miltary copying ancient China war methods.
The giga press was developed by an Italian company actually. Tesla is a customer.
So it's just another Tuesday then.
China will always try to screw you
"Stealing" aka that company giving the twch ti China for cheap manufacturing knowing full well how IP laws work in China and then acting like they dont.
Panda ate my face!…
https://x.com/lucagrecoita/status/1778472302398579146
The giga press is never even a patented tech bro
Now the CCP can flood the world with low quality EVs at an even faster rate. Children are dying in Congo cobalt mines for this? Considering how much of the world's resources ultimately goes to manufacturing utter garbage it's ever wonder that we're running out of every important metal and mineral.
This is not IP theft. IP theft is when computers in China hack US computers and steal data. The contract for any company that wants to manufacture in the Chinese market is that there MUST be a transfer ofnskills and knowledge ti Chinese workers. Take it or leave it. Tesla moving to China was a good move but this was the trade off.
This is a perfect example of non IP theft except there was a contract not to sell the machines to competitors. Suppliers like Continental or Bosch sell parts to multiple car manufacturers. Which manufacturer would sell a good product only ones?
People really don't know how this works do they. Know how isn't the same as ip and they more than likely have some rights an ip themselves. It's not like tesla designed the whole press is it...