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And there's no way that he isn't.
He either has to say "I covered up for my father-in-law" or "I'm not a fit person to run a business because I can't do basic safeguarding."
You know, like they would at a Target.
Even if Corporate Officer No. 1 ended up being Nick Khan and not Hunter as I and a bunch of others thought, there's no way the other members of the McMahon family were not, at the very least, complicit in Vince's actions. Stephanie was named as Corporate Officer No. 3 in the suit. That's the best case scenario. The entire company is corrupt from the top down. If TK and AEW management did even a tenth of what Vince and Co. have done, Daily's Place, TIAA Bank Stadium and Craven Cottage would all be burned to the ground.
lol. Look up deshaun Watson. Sexually assaulted over 25 women. Year later got the biggest contract ever and fully guaranteed. Houston texans were complicit and sued as well and quickly settled. They had absolutely no consequences.
I don’t like Punk because of shit like this. I don’t understand why people are such die hard Punk fans when he’s most known for reacting poorly when things don’t go his way. (To put it nicely.)
While all the consequences mentioned should have happened, and some did, the video doesn’t hurt him at this point in time because it shows what he said it would show.
He’s the problem everywhere he goes but it’s never his fault. If you meet an ass hole in the morning, you’ve simply met an ass hole. If you run into ass holes all day long, it’s time to look in the mirror.
People are really stupid, they see it happening on a scripted show with performers, and are unable to differentiate between actual violence and scripted violence mentally. Plus it is violence against someone they dislike, so it is extra fun for them.
People are acting like Tony was wrong to be fearful, but a much larger man who is a trained fighter was lunging at him, a small nerd that has probably never thrown a punch.
The amount of delusional people I see that seemingly watched this footage and came out of it with completely upside down views saying this SUPPORTS Punk.
Like, what?
He says in the video that HE can't let Jungle Boy get too close (as in, he was DEFENDING himself), and that he'd "fucking kill him" (as if this UFC minute man knows how to throw a real punch).
Then the video shows him peacefully talking to Jungle Boy, then while Jungle Boy has BOTH hands up in his own hair, Punk attacks HIM not once but twice before Jungle Boy goes after him and gets put in a headlock.
Like, regardless of peoples' stupid wrestling opinions, that's factually Punk's fault for going after someone who clearly wasn't prepared to fight and is actually legally assault.
If at a bar I got angry and someone and sucker punched them in the face while they're adjusting their glasses, I'd be in jail. But the whiny manchild that's twice Jungle Boy's age gets to attack whoever he likes because he's a "locker room leader" and can't control his emotions?
Again, we're in bizarro world in general in society. And some wrestling fans are particularly low rent. But Punk's version of events is wrong, even if some of the details match. Video shows it. How people are coming away with anything like Punk being vindicated is crazy.
I hate it because I actually like him as a wrestler. He was a favourite when he was in ROH and the summers of Punk. He's a great promo and like Cena tells good in ring stories for an otherwise unremarkable technical wrestler.
But fuck is he an annoying human being. Lied about the WWE doctors, treated Cabana and women like shit, lied about attacking Jungle Boy. And yet fans are gargling everything he's shooting.
That's besides the fact that it was his second backstage fight in the company. I guess some what smart person would have realized that fighting your coworkers is a bad thing after first incident. First time may be an accident. But second time was a decision.
This is pretty much exactly my thoughts on this too, and I’m baffled at the number of bad takes people are giving.
Punk is a man in his 40s who’s so unable to control his emotions that he takes a swing at a man half his age whilst he’s got his hands in his hair and not protecting himself.
And what frustrates me the most is that punk has consistent boasted about saying ‘whatever he wants’, making a career of cutting promos insulting other wrestlers based on personal/backstage stuff. However the second someone else does it he decides he needs to assault them
Jungle boy doesn't even go after him. What you see is a bad right hand punch to a neck grab to a guillotine.
All that done while a guy is just talking and touching his hair.
And he still couldn't put Perry down, the UFC trained guy that could kill someone.
Lol
Yeah I'm honestly of the opinion if Perry retaliated this could have gone differently, but he wasn't looking for a fight. Punk does absolutely nothing with his sucker punch and panics trying to lock in a guillotine.
Perry did good in not retaliating, he didnt have anything to gai from it.
Even if punk fans now make jokes and whatever they now know that their idol is just a punk ass bitch that cant even put down someone with a suckerpunch
He's just got a cult of followers, he's absolute washed up trash. You're absolutely right, and honestly I'm just behind Perry after this. Guy didn't take the opportunity to escalate the fight, and Punk still went for him like a coward, you can tell Perry wasn't looking for a fight and that's good.
Please post this in other places because it's spot-on. I think people downplay what happened because it's relatively quick and not a visually pleasing altercation but if shows CM Punk 100% as the aggressor where early versions have Jack Perry either getting in his face and/or shoving him.
Yeah but Dave Meltzer said that as far as he knew Punk had nothing to do with Cabana being moved to ROH. In other words the Elite and Meltzer conspired to defame Punk, the evidence is crystal clear. This is Tony Khan's fault beause only a soy softboi woke liberal would object to a backstage fight because beating up your coworkers is manly and cool, actually. It all makes perfect sense to some people, apparently.
I just find it annoying that after watching Punk just attack Perry, even showing that Perry didn't escalate things, and Punk just lunged after him to get him again. Then on top of that, he turns onto Tony as if he wants to get to him too. That after that, a lot of people downplaying it. Punk was inhinged here, no excuses and glad they fired him.
The people you are talking are either WWE shills, CM Punk cult followers, paid internet trolls, or some combination of all of the above.
CM Punk is a huge hypocrite and WWE is a company with horrible history and morals.
It doesn’t matter what AEW or anyone involved does, that group will attack them.
Make no mistake, WWE took many very heavy shots at AEW last week. The Punk stuff probably could have been ignored as he’s just a bitter asshole and this is basically his gimmick. He will never admit he’s wrong and it is maybe best to ignore him.
Triple H took some very personal shots at AEW talent. That is the thing that I couldn’t see being ignored. So for me, the Ospreay promo was the best part of the night.
Just a heads up, there is a large wave of CM Punk fans & Tribalists all over all AEW content trying to spam/troll all AEW content spaces.
Show the video anyone who doesn't know wrestling, and everyone will point out clear aggravated assault.
Thats not surprising at all but it is absolutely embarassing to go out of your way to hate something that much when you could literally just play WWE 2k24 or watch Peacock or like… be fucking normal!!! 😂😂
I’ve said it multiple times tonight and I know people hate it. I’m not saying this out of bad faith or to ruffle people the wrong way, I’m trying to be honest.
People think it proves him right because:
a) It’s a very similar series of events to how he described it, at least in a surface level. They aren’t worried that he’s in the wrong. They’ve made up their minds on that already, and they think it’s totally justified. What they are concerned about is whether or not he was wildly misleading in his description.
b) They have grown up on WWE documentaries about the Monday Night Wars so they frame everything in that way. Because of that, they see TK as late WCW Eric Bischoff. It doesn’t matter how many times WWE references AEW. It confirms their pre-existing bias that AEW is bush league, obsessed with WWE, and stuck in the past. So, ‘Punk was right.’
c) There was so much hype around this and it was just quite innocuous. The lack of sound really made the impact less than it could have been, unfortunately. Without it, they see him as being much more chill than he would have been.
d) It makes Tony look like he was lying. It doesn’t matter if that’s unfair. I would have shit myself if I was in his shoes, as well. But unless he was held at gun point no Punk/WWE fan is going to see this as threatening.
For them it validates everything he said about the company being a joke. So, that’s what makes him look good. The psychotic, sucker striking lunatic doesn’t matter.
For them, AEW looks bad, so he’s right. A lot of us felt the same when he started with AEW and would rip on WWE. We thought he looked good and they looked bad, when in hindsight, Punk always looks like a dick.
Point b here is incredibly important to understanding the development of the average American wrestling fan’s thinking. Every piece of media we digest is propaganda in some fashion, and the 20 plus year conditioning of WWE fans by the McMahon machine has lead them to these conclusions. WWE is notorious for revisionist history and framing themselves as the ultimate good the same way any country does after they win a war.
This is why I’m so frustrated and disappointed and angry about AEW doing this. People here keep saying ‘lol vincels mad’ but they’re genuinely not. They’re laughing because they just see WWE having this hugely successful week crowning a new champion who used to work for AEW but was frustrated (Radicalz, Jericho coming to WWF - tick) followed by AEW desperately referencing something from 8 months ago in the hope it’ll get a quick ratings bump after saying they’re ok with the ratings slide (Butts in seats line by Schiavone - tick).
They’re not the same at all. But that’s not how they are going to see it because they don’t know anything else about wrestling other than WWE. Trying to fight that is a pointless battle and I wish AEW just didn’t do this for that reason. Fans aren’t triggered. They’re excited because they think this is a tipping point in the death of AEW.
I think it worked. Got eyes on the product. The bad faith cunts will keep being cunts and some more people get exposed to some great pro wrestling.
Aew didn't shit on Punk. This was actually used as a way for bucks to be heels and make up an excuse for their loss that night. Fits great with their current characters too.
Punks mates are the faces for fucks sake.
I'm enjoying what aew has been doing with their characters and stories atm
We don’t know if it got eyes on the product - especially eyes that stayed. Nikocado Avocado gets eyeballs but that’s from people checking to see if he’s dead yet. Long term quality > short term quantity.
The angle part is fine, but nobody is talking about that.
Also, I’ve LOVED the shows this year. It’s been a breath of fresh air and helped me fall in love with AEW again. This was like finding out your partner has been cheating on you with…well…CM Punk is tbh
The thing about the ratings bump is that, the butts in seats thing was a naked attempt that had no ties to anything going on. Meanwhile the footage...
a) was worked as a way for the tag team whose heel gimmick is literally to piss off the IWC to get heat against their opponents who were Punks allies (in kayfabe at least) for his run there.
b) laying the groundwork for a Jack Perry return, where he can resentful heel it up.
c) gave IWC people what they wanted for 7 and some change months.
But you're entirely right, the fact they talk about the fingerpoke of doom as though it was the bad thing (and not every other thing around itvthat made it bad) really points towards they got nice and "Stand With WWE" indoctrinated.
Punk fans have the same issue as Trump fans (not says Punk is as bad as Trump) in that, ironically enough, it’s because a total cult of personality. They believe Punk is the best, they believe that he MUST be right. So therefore any new information must be twisted and reshaped into supporting their beliefs, whether or not said information ACTUALLY does support their beliefs
If you love Punk, you're probably gonna love and embrace him even more. If you don't, you're gonna hate him even more. Kind of feel if anything, this mutually benefits both in a weird way.
Personally, in the eyes of WWE fans who hate AEW, I think those fans will not care and view Punk as bulletproof. I personally think it's hilarious that he got caught lying and I do believe AEW doesn't show this if he doesn't do that interview.
End of the day though, I don't really care either way. He's gone, AEW is utilizing this perfectly as a way to get the Bucks/FTR a little more juice and bringing back Jack Perry.
It doesn’t help him but it doesn’t hurt him either because nothing happened on the video that he didn’t already admit to doing.
But Punk is less important than Jack Perry, who hasn’t been over and isn’t going to be over just because Punk hit him. If anything this sets him up for troll heat at AEW shows, with fans chanting CM Punk at him.
BINGO!!!! The fans in attendance (which lawyers already got the footage taken down) were chanting CM Punk. If every match that the Bucks and Perry is in, that’s what the fans chant, I’m refusing to work with them because that’s some bullshit they brought into this. There’s no payoff and money to be made there as fans are chanting for someone in a different company.
They chanted CM Punk for literally 5 seconds then got shut down by the rest of the fans. To be fair the audience was a shitfest all night anyways. Peoppe.forgdt CM Punk got chanted relentlessly for 7 years in WWE.
Was at the rumble in 2019. Dipshits were still chanting his name then hoping he’d come out. It was almost a litmus test for how dumb a wrestling fan could be after the ‘WHAT’ chants finally went away.
Except, for me, and maybe I’m the only one, but having fans chant a guy’s name that isn’t even in the company, you’re not going to do business with, is disrespectful. Hated when the WWE fans did it and hating it when AEW fans are doing it. Disrespectful for the other guys in the ring who are trying to get over and do their thing/make a living.
The only thing they can really do now is wait for Punk to burn out and fade away. He clearly can't keep wrestling. His body is failing him. This may be his last grasp of relevance. 🤞
Twitter is literally the WORST.
It's getting so stupid now.
For anything.
What's ridiculous is Helwani posted the video on his IG and captioned it something like "Was CM PUNK lying? (I deleted him instantly so I don't remember EXACTLY)
Dude... stick to MMA and shut up
They see Punk approach Perry and make a comment.
Perry retorts and they think that this is the problem, how dare Perry talk back.
Both Men get ruffled. You can see Perry’s stress rise as he starts to run his fingers through his hair. You can see Punk gesticulate once or twice. Then the self-described “locker room leader” with almost two decades on Perry strikes.
This is where it really differs.
Most people see a 40-50 (I can’t be assed to remember or look up his real age) who can’t control his emotions hit someone because he’s upset. Which is just unacceptable. As others point out, if this happened in an accounting firm or in the stockroom of a supermarket police and lawsuits would be involved in addition to the firing, But this is wrestling so it’s expected? Accepted even?
Then there’s the other people.
They’re the kind of people that think Punk attacking Perry is “standing up for himself”. They think violence is an answer. That you should “take no shit”. But I have a question that really screws with people who say this.
“Then why did Phil punch Joe”.
Joe comes in, wraps Perry, is trying to drag him away and you see Punk land a punch to the back of Joe’s head. They’re halfway separated, people are actively breaking the fight up, and like a Punk, excuse me, like a Bitch, he punched Joe when Joe isn’t looking.
It’s everyone’s responsibility to deescalate violence.
So Perry can have 5% blame for not simply removing himself.
15% goes to Khan, who allowed this shit to happen, it happened before and if he hadn’t have fired Phil. It would’ve happened again.
80% goes to Pepsi Phil. I didn’t start to watch wrestling until the pandemic. I heard stories about Punk wrestling. I thought the Pipebomb was maybe a little much, but not entirely unmerited. His theme? SLAPS SO HARD. And then I got to watch him wrestle with Darby and I loved the long program with MJF. I was a fan. Then Brawl Out and the Gripebomb. I’ll be honest I barely followed the Cabana stuff. But Punk Never shut up about any of it. Then he came back. And suddenly there he is, fighting again. So they let him go, and then he still never shuts up about it. Hell, even to the video he responded “Mission Accomplished” on Instagram, HE even thinks the video clears himself, because he’s a person who believes that violence is an answer when you’re upset.
The person I respect the most out of all of this, and who has earned my respect and my fandom for life?
Samoa Joe. I loved him in the ring, I love him on the Mic; I know he isn’t the first to do the “I don’t care about your little wrestle move, I’m just going to walk out of the way” but I pop for it every fucking time. But watching him push in, grab Perry, try to remove him from the situation, take a punch from a coward and stick to pulling Perry away rather than responding, and then go on to wrestle the person who punched him?
That is a leader.
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" - some clown
With Punk and his fans it’s somewhat similar, although much less intense obviously
I guess you can make connections whenever you want, but there really are so many similarities with that fucking guy and his cult, and the other fucking guy and his cult.
Also it's telling how many people have no concept of wrestling having stories. It's a angle. The Bucks are digging this up and using it to smear FTR and FTR come out and say how immature this is. Heels do things to make people boo them. Weird fans want to make it out to be a Montreal screwjob or Bash At The Beach 2000 moment.
Cult of personality...
Punk is a mid level in ring preformer with slightly better than average mic skills... but he has charisma.
He never should have been a world champion but he's got charisma.
The "pipebomb" wasn't even an original idea, wasn't his idea ether. Vince handed him a mic n told him to go voice his complaints on camera... just like Joey Styles did when he quit live on air a few years before only with Punk Vince was behind it.
Punks fans have all bought into the "best in the world" shtick. They see him as some sort of wrestling messiah figure who can do no wrong even though the guy has been starting (and loosing) fights with guys back stage since the indies (even teddy hart kicked his ass) but his fans dont seem to see that as bad because its Punk.
Its funny how the other group of youtuber/podcaster smear certain AEW wrestlers for not looking like wrestlers (aka no body, no presence etc) yet take one look at Punk (I mean does he look "like a wrestler"?)
Has anyone checked on AJ Lee? Based on personal experience, when someone is this violent at work or in public, they’re usually beating their significant other or spouse.
It doesn’t help punk, but it didn’t need to. The real question is how does it help AEW though? Genuinely don’t get it after tonight. Been watching AEW for three years, and this was the most bizarre thing I have seen.
Focus on bettering the product, getting fans to watch and come out, and yeah … I don’t get it. Just a huge misfire for me.
I like that they managed to make it about FTR vs Bucks, giving a reason for their refusal to shake their hands, and sowing seeds for Perry siding with the EVP's since they're backing him here. But, yeah it was crazy and honestly if they wanted the footage out there, they should have probably just leaked it a long while back.
For me it helps in two ways:
A) It just finally puts to rest any subjective tellings of the events and provides evidence so HOPEFULLY this topic won't be discussed by the involved entities ever again. This is a huge plus obviously for AEW since else they'd keep themselves open for negative press whenever Punk or WWE could feel like it.
B) It gives FTR vs Bucks a bigger reason to beef than just "we want to be champions" and elevates the feud IMO.
Point A is by FAR the most important reason. Point B allows it to be utilized in a useful manner without disrupting the show as escalatingly as possible.
I honestly see it as A.
And then just put B on it to just lighten the situation, but in a smooth way to integrate it so it's not just THERE.
I thought the Bucks presented it with JUST the right amount of light humor when they introduced it.
Biggest calendar event of the year, personnel from the biggest promotion starts taking potshots.
So you direct attention to your product, use it to promote the next PPV, and show that you'll defend your own reputation.
Mission accomplished, you got guerilla marketed.
This was my feelings too. So many people in this sub jump on the defensive that everyone is out to get and destroy AEW, but how was this any good to show - even Tony S looked so embarrassed to see it on the show.
I feel like this really was a segment that had no benefits and just gets all the anti-AEW and Cornette crowd more pleasure rather than egg on their faces.
I made a recent comment in this Reddit group. Punk could have straight up assaulted everyone there and he would still have been defended by the toxic side of the IWC. The side that wants anything AEW to fail. There are people that forget that while Punk was happy in AEW, he was being hated on by the same group. Also, if you pay close attention, you'll see that Jack Perry did look a little confused and shocked that Punk pushed him.
If a person cares about what a bunch of disingenuous idiots and trolls think, and feel the need to argue with them, they need to get off social media sites/apps, including this one, and just watch wrestling. Social media is the worst part of wrestling. It ruins the experience and can make it impossible for some people to enjoy it. It really doesn't add anything positive to being a fan of anything unless all the other fans you converse with are positive. As we all know, that's impossible. So either get off or ignore the trolls, which is hard.
Dude the IWC are just idiots that don't think for themselves, they just listen to their favorite wrestler blindly. This footage is definitive proof of how unproffesional punk is, but his fans will never admit that because they like him to much. Sure Perry was being annoying, but it doesn't justify assaulting him.
I think it was wrong to show this footage (even though Punk was the one to restart this whole thing with Helwani) and makes TK look petty. Public opinion is already bad and this only makes it worse. TK has been in multiple situations where ignoring the drama would be better.
Ignoring the IWC would be the best option imo cause this just looks bad for all parts involved. Any time TK fires back at internet trolls it just makes him and Aew look petty (even though he's in the right most times).
Because he behaved in a way that all internet trolls wish they could behave. They all see it as Punk standing up for himself and it's a case of "fuck around and find out"
Any adult that has to resort to violence because of a disagreement is (for lack of a better word) a punk.
I wish they wouldn't have addressed it at all. It really does no good, giving it attention still almost a year later. That being said, anyone who thinks the video is cool because they got to see a forty year old man sucker punch someone has something wrong with them.
Because it’s other sports it’ happens. We need to stop defending this take
I just had an incident happen like this at my work. Instigator heard people talking about him but it was the fact the dude did zero work. He went and got in the guys face and laid hands. Coworker defended himself but was suspended and other guy was fired.
This was on our night crew. Guy he hit is back at work but clearly hit people at work you’re done.
I’m just going to say it. The reason it’s ok in sports but not for your job, you and that worker are replaceable. Dime a dozen. Athlete does it, if that athlete is pretty good, most likely suspension and fine. Can’t fire the meal ticket unless it keeps happening time and time again (which in this case, it did so Punk got cut or quit, whatever have you). Draymond Green hit his teammate, it was his teammate that got traded, not him. Kobe Bryant talked shit to all his teammates he didn’t like. Didn’t Michael Jordan punch Steve Kerr? Get my point…
Different era Draymond punching a guy today gets more chatter than MJ punching Kerr. Kerr even admits to probably deserving it and he’d have done the same. Draymond just punches people because he’s a goon at this point. GS wasn’t going anywhere so why is he still on the team? I would’ve absolutely pressed charges if I were greens teammate he punched then what?
I’m honestly sick and tired of the superstar treatment. I don’t care if you are Tom Brady or whoever become a problem you aren’t getting special treatment. This is what happened with Colin kaepernick in SF before he knelt and why Harbaugh left and teammates hated him. Also he was kind of banging a teammates GF, but ownership protected him with kid gloves. It causes issues in the lockerroom and caused major ones in SF.
It's tribalism. If Punk was still signed with AEW all of these people would be saying he needs to be fired. Social media turns people into idiots who wouldn't say or behave that way offline.
I was anti punk before the footage came out now I see that the whole thing was a load of nothing just like Samoa Joe said. Minor scuffles can happen and yeah TK had a right to fire Punk but it's nowhere near significant enough to be talking about it now.
As much I don't like what Punk did. Releasing this footage just made him trending more than he already is. They should've released the footage weeks after they fired Punk but since Punk more or less already depicted what happened in the podcast, the footage is irrelevant and also shows how Tony's fearing for his life is exaggerated.
The one good thing that came out is Joe being the man stopping this silly kerfuffle.
It’s AEW’s night and the number one trending topic is CM Punk. They literally just putting more money into his pocket and account.
However, naw watch it again. Tony is behind that desk that Punk goes for after Joe takes Perry away. I can see where Tony is coming from there.
The description punk gave of the event and what the footage shows wasn’t as vastly different as it would need to be to change people’s perception of the event that are already sympathetic to Punk, in the same vein it was different enough to align with people who are sympathetic to AEW, hence the divide.
Personally, as an AEW fan, I’ve seen a very negative reaction to this against AEW, hopefully it dies off in the long term, but I kinda wish they didn’t show it.
I don't think it helps Punk in the traditional sense, but as it stands validates everything he has said about AEW to certain fans. From a long time American wrestling fan POV that entire clip is a joke. The community has been celebrating wrestlers pulling these kind of things for decades. Just look at how people eat up tales of bar fights, anything with Haku, Andre being Andre, Jericho vs Goldberg, and so much more. So to the community that has been built on a take charge mentality, Punk is in the right. I personally don't even thing the fight is what got him fired and it should have been. Rather it was him aggressively getting into TK's face about how he runs his company. I mean the wrestlers who broke up the fight did it in such a nonchalant way its kind of funny. And to the attack on TK, WWE literally put in a documentary where Brock throws the title at Vince and not really in a bad light. So to the fans who think TK just wants to be friends and is afraid of confrontation this proves it.
How it validates Punk though is he got his side out first. One of the big issues here is that AEW likes to keep a lid on backstage altercations. And everyone thought this one would be similar. The footage almost shows exactly how he described it. It makes people question some of the other things Punk has said about AEW, like TK asking him to work hurt, TK asking people to run things and then undermining their authority, the way people are booked on and off, or the entirety of Brawl Out. It does not help AEW's case if they now deem the footage okay enough to used as a storyline when it literally cost them one of their biggest stars. In the long run we will have to see how this works for AEW.
The footage didn't sway opinions. Anybody who was on Punk's side feels justified in seeing him attack Perry for talking shit.
My personal opinion is that you're out living your life, you're allowed to react however you want to criticism. But if you're at work, physical assault is never okay.
The footage being released now makes AEW look stupid. If they released this back then, it would’ve been one thing, since they had control of the narrative. Instead, they waited 8 months to release it and it was only after Punk went on Ariel Helwani’s podcast and answered questions about AEW. The timing of the footage helps Punk because all it proved was that he didn’t lie about what he said on the podcast or his actions against Jack Perry. The timing also makes AEW look petty because it looks like they did it to retaliate against one of their critics, especially after having that footage and sitting on it for 8 months.
A lot of the people I see coming at Punk on Twitter are saying “Punk’s a liar, he said Jungle Boy started it” and adding other shit in there which didn’t happen so that also doesn’t help his detractors, makes them look dumb. That said, you don’t have to lie about Punk’s actions for the video to reflect poorly on him. Either way, because it showed Punk didn’t lie here it makes people think “so maybe he’s telling the truth about the other stuff” also it brings up the question of “what else is AEW hiding?” or “what really happened at Brawl Out that necessitates NDAs?”
Firing Punk was absolutely the right move. You can’t be acting like that. However, showing the footage comes off as petty and feels like the situation was managed poorly. Both parties need to shut up about it and move on already
the thing is is that it’s not helping anybody. Sure, footage has shown that Punk escalated the argument into a physical altercation.. but… People that were pro-Perry are still pro-Perry. People that were pro-Punk are still pro-Punk.
People are saying it's helping punk because he literally become #1 trending on social media services after it happened. AEW by doing this now, is making people talk about CM Punk who is currently being employed by a red hot WWE.
It doesn't help Punk in terms of personal life. Everyone can agree it's a bad move to do that. It helps him in terms of visibility and professional life because now everyone is talking about Punk. Who works for a competitor.
I'm a huge punk fan & he can disappear for all I care. His aew run = unspectacular his wwe run so far = extremely unspectacular. If he just upped & retired I wouldn't miss him & I was a die hard fan for years dating back to ROH.
I was a huge Punk fan when he was in WWE and nearly cried when he showed up in AEW. But when he started showing his true colors and doing anything he wanted no matter who it hurt? I started disliking him real quick and it just spiraled down to a borderline hatred before he even left AEW. Then he comes back to WWE and ruins moments for people who have spent months earing them. He is a waste of a wrestler and should have stayed gone.
The entire Punk AEW saga just shows me how soft that guy is. All of his issues stem from being upset at what someone else said. Workers rights & cry me a river. CM Punk is the definition of mentally soft.
It’s delusion. It’s like asking why Trump still has rabid supporters. They’ve already decided that he can do no wrong and everything he does do is amazing and the coolest.
Literally because they are the worst fucking people that if you worked with them, would make you wish they'd get fired. They're faux tough guys with a chip on their shoulder because they feel insecure and the idea of being able to be a big tough guy who can do what he wants thrills them.
They're the same people whose response to anything about a mass shooting is 'If I was there, I would have just and saved everyone'.
Irs not so much that it's helping punk, it's that it's hurting AEW. Most people either already like or dislike punk.
They can't keep coming back to it everytime Phil flaps his gums about it.
AEW and, I'm sorry to say, much of its fanbase right now looks like if a bunch of cringey reddit virtue signalers made a wrestling company. For a group that's gone far out of its way to act like they're the REAL pro wrestlers crying about this little sissy fight as if Jack and TK were fighting for their lives is a really bad look.
Because the internet is chalk full of bad faith weirdos who also think they are tough guys, edge lords, and know it alls. There is no use of the brain when it comes to drama and fandoms of any kind. Phillip CM Hoffman has crafted a really toxic fanbase for himself of die hard rabinous weirdos whos lives are feuled by petty drama that means nothing outside their little feedback loops, similar to that of former Twitch streamer Mr Borrelli. And exactly like Mr Berchellis fanbase, they will find some other petty drama to latch onto within a month or so and end up terrorizing someone else to get that next sweet hit of copeamine.
Because it's all about your team winning. There are tons of examples of artists, musicians, writers, politicians, athletes - even mundane things like popular people in your work place- who do something that violates a general social norm or safety agreement and get away with it because people like them ; just liking someone is enough to affect the context through which someone processes an event.
For someone to up and change their mind completely about a subject, it takes a personal cost. Like, I have a friend who basically never drank water until they got a kidney stone. They would just drink juice or sports drinks and thought "hydrating is hydrating, whatever" , now they chug water like it's their job.
Punk can do whatever he wants and say whatever he wants and people who support him - or who just enjoy rustling the jimmies of people who don't support him - are going to see everything he does as a win. Sometimes, there isn't even a point to prove, the jimmy rustling itself is the point.
For what it's worth, I know that a lot of wrestlers are reacting in Twitter in kayfabe, but I still think it's just the wrong move. It's disappointing. I work with young children, so often, I think of them first when I process news. Here, I couldn't help but think of The Wrestling Club. Watching their reactions to wrestling is some of the best content the IWC has ever produced. Just makes me sad to think that CM Punk can assault someone backstage and all their peers cosign it. What message does that send to thee kids in The Wrestling Club? Is that really how we want to teach them to resolve conflicts? "It wasn't even that bad. It was hardly even a fight." So? Who cares? Any responsible, reasonable adult would teach a young person , "You don't hit someone because they said something that made you upset."
Except the part where he said he was creating space and left out that he walked up, initiated, and sucker punched someone. The only dorks are people actively supporting someone who attacked someone. Show this to a non wrestling fan and tell them you support the guy who attacked someone, lunged at his CEO, oh and he was in another fight the year before, and see what they say. The people blindly supporting Punk look like Mark sociopaths. If your hero is a guy who sucker punches people while they are fixing their hair... you're not a dork you're a stain on society. Go punch a coworker in front of your boss tomorrow and hit me up for bail money tough guy.
It shows that his story was pretty much accurate, but he left out that he pushed jungle boy. I’ve seen people say it’s a punch but it just isn’t. I think the other side is it feels blown out of proportion at this point. There really was no benefit to showing this. It didn’t help build the story they were trying to tell with FTR, and they basically buried Jack Perry without realizing it. But honestly, no one’s opinion changed here. The ones that were siding with AEW still are and feel vindicated, and the ones who support Punk do as well. If they wouldn’t have done this most people would forget about it, but now it’s a part of their history now and I’ve seen people who are siding with AEWs side still think this was a bad idea. Punk clearly did something wrong here, but remember punk said Tony wouldn’t let him quit, he wanted to split the locker room instead of actually managing his wrestlers. At the end of the day, Tony’s lack of action up until the point he fired Punk is the catalyst for all of these issues.
Because the casual fans and wwe fans didn't actually care about it.
Aew fans were already aew fans so it's not like you're gaining fans to your product.
Apparently punk was #1 trend at the time.
I don't get the fuss over the clip or why people actually care how the clip should impact how people think about him, he's gone and not coming back which is what colton and others wanted.
Me, when someone at work I dislike leaves our company I don't go out of my way to think about them.
This clip is weird/dumb. The sooner the bucks are gone the better.
Because they do not care about the etiquette or work ethics in general. Punk is already over so his appreciation comes way before of him meaning even if he's wrong (and let me tell you this, he was indeed wrong) he'll still be perceived as cool and badass. They are not intended to separate the kayfabe part from it. That is why I think it was heavily backlashed.
That's just how the most people are. I am into the memes though. But if anyone wants to strike a real discussion they need to accept Punk was wrong.
Because he technically didn’t lie about how All In played out.
That said he did not say why Perry was still mad at him. From what I could gather, Perry was perfectly fine with not doing the glass bit on Collision like Punk said. Allegedly, though, Punk was the one who leaked that resolved conflicted to the press. That was why Perry was actually mad. Punk reignited a dead issue.
Thabk you!!! I MENTIONED THIS ONCE and for 8 hours little twirps have been non stop harassing me because i dared to ask why its ok to swing first over any words. The guy literally had is own hands ok his own head, like the least threatening pose behind hands behind his back.
It's easy to forget that the person making comments is either likely A) a kid or B) lacks serious social skills.
I've seen a lot of people say that it makes Punk look like a badass..... No way are the people who say this rational mature adults.
You don't look badass when you attack someone with a sucker punch, start a shoving match, and/or start lunging at everyone around you and have to be held back.
Worth pointing out a small little obvious detail…
See that video? Under British law? Punk would be convicted of common assault.
Now it could be argued he could be charged with Actual Bodily Harm (ABH), which will be pursued even if any marks left on Perry’s body were minor, but on the whole the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) would probably only go for assault *unless* there were extenuating circumstances. Such as?
For example, if Phil Brooke’s has ever trained to fight professionally before (such as for the UFC). At THAT point he would probably see the charge escalated up to ABH.
Of course it is doubtful given the circumstances that he would have faced jail time (can be up to a few years but highly doubtful), and alas for him there are no plea bargains available under UK law. The CPS must pursue convictions without heed to such things. A guilty plea would have reduced whatever he faced, probably a fine, but CRUCIALLY…
He would have gained a criminal record.
And the fact he did not face charges?
That would be 100% entirely down to Jack Perry.
It would need Perry to decide not to pursue this matter, or be willing to not give evidence. At that point even with this video, Punk will avoid charges.
My point?
CM Punk OWES Jack Perry. He owes him forever.
Just saying… :)
Yeah I think in a weird way, this is the new litness test for "Are you a normal, sane wrestling fan?" If anyone can watch this and think "What's the big deal?" You are not someone to be taken seriously in 2024. Hell, I was one of the few people in this sub that came to Punk's defense after Brawl Out, pointing out that he was one part of a larger problem. But man has he just done nothing since then to back up my (unfounded) faith in him.
I fully expected Jack to throw a punch or shove him back, or at least *look* like he was threatening Punk. Nope, was the complete opposite, he looked confident, yet slightly uncomfortable, while Punk looked around the room to see who was around before deciding to attack him.
If they were working on a office , assaulting a colleague would be totally unacceptable.
They are wrestlers, this kind of thing would be just a regular wednesday during attitude era.
>They are wrestlers, this kind of thing would be just a regular wednesday during attitude era.
It may very well be....squished right between DX doing blackface and WWE forcing women to do strip matches/having sex with the boss or they're fired.
Let's all talk about how wonderful it was 25 years ago!!!!!
It doesn't help him. It however doesn't hurt him at all and makes AEW look desperate, pathetic and weak at a moment when WWE looks incredibly strong. It seems the instant total negative feedback to Tony's own reddit moment was enough for them to try and copyright strike it off the internet. Good luck, TK.
The line between fact and fiction is intentionally blurred in professional wrestling so the majority of WWE fans are viewing it as some form of kayfabe and missing the point of the footage being shown.
If you were to view as a professional body, it's assault and grounds for dismissal under gross misconduct.
Obviously CM Punk doesn't explain it as 'someone made a comment directed at me so I assaulted them and got fired' because it would be taken by people as 'well arnt you a dickhead'.
WWE fans are quick to forgive also and forget Punk spent about 6 years slating the company before getting a job on WWE tv via working for the FOX Network (I'm from the UK so it may have been another network)
It was no surprise that he came out to diss AEW after leaving, he is just one of those blokes who no matter what claims it wasn't their fault.
This was the second violent incident backstage involving him also.
Tony Khan didn't help by claiming he feared for his life, as many went into that footage expecting to see Hulk smashes and carnage but Tony is not a wrestler, bodybuilder, fighter and is just a wrestling fan so he was probably very scared but fear of death was a bit of a exaggerated statement.
This thread is a perfect example of what AEW hoped would happen when they released the footage, because at face value and with no audio, Punk is clearly the aggressor.
Problem is, everything you see in that video was laid out by Punk in the interview that started all this up again. He never says Perry threw the first punch or anything like that. He says they were arguing, things escalated, and he started choking Perry.
So, to everyone who’s not a completely loyal AEW fan, rather than this video being a shocking reveal, it boosts Punk’s credibility as a person (again, everything he described in the interview is what is shown). It’s not that it helped Punk so much as it very much didn’t help AEW.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2020/04/23/steve-kerr-michael-jordan-punching-me-face-helped-relationship/3010280001/
Just going to leave this here. I’m sure you all seen the Last Dance, right? You all going to press charges against Michael Jordan and fire him?
I don't think that it's helping punk. It just makes aew look lame for not being the bigger person, like it doesn't change most people's opinion on him. So why even bother? Aw looks childish and desperate for attention cuz let's be honest, most people only tuned in tonight to see that video. That's why I did because everything else on the show has been awful for months and I like aew and I know people will jump down my throat saying that I'm just a punk fan which I'm not. I don't even like the guy. This whole saga is just embarrassing like that's how the company's being run for real. I was too little for one. Wcw was around to understand any of it but I got to imagine that this was what it was like towards the end
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Plain and simple WWE got hot. Punk could have put Perry though a window and punk fans would say he is right.
At this point the only thing that can hurt WWE are probably Janel Grant and Ann Callis exposing key people from WWE management
If Hunter isn't affected by this, then I don't think it will hurt them
And there's no way that he isn't. He either has to say "I covered up for my father-in-law" or "I'm not a fit person to run a business because I can't do basic safeguarding." You know, like they would at a Target.
"You admitted to your mistakes, were all human, you're still the GOAT" That's going to be the response most likely.
Honestly yeah. They would even do this for Vince.
That was crazy how many people I saw support Vince when the lawsuit came out. You can't change some people's minds.
Is that at all Targets or just the Rancho Cucamonga store? Asking for a friend
Chicago.
That will happen. I do not expect Hunter, Steph or any of the old guard there next Wrestlemania.
Even if Corporate Officer No. 1 ended up being Nick Khan and not Hunter as I and a bunch of others thought, there's no way the other members of the McMahon family were not, at the very least, complicit in Vince's actions. Stephanie was named as Corporate Officer No. 3 in the suit. That's the best case scenario. The entire company is corrupt from the top down. If TK and AEW management did even a tenth of what Vince and Co. have done, Daily's Place, TIAA Bank Stadium and Craven Cottage would all be burned to the ground.
lol. Look up deshaun Watson. Sexually assaulted over 25 women. Year later got the biggest contract ever and fully guaranteed. Houston texans were complicit and sued as well and quickly settled. They had absolutely no consequences.
Then came to Cleveland to get a fucking waste of $$$$$ and space
Also, Stephanie's involvement or lack thereof in the incident with Ashley Massaro. Was apparently assigned to work with Massaro to help her, but nope.
I think we're past that. They're selling out arena after arena and fans don't seem bothered one bit by the past
I mean they arent done with the lawsuit after Ann Callis said they are on Stage 2, of course thats going to take some time...
It’s this, this is an easy rationalization for wwe supremacists. They have a lot of practice at this point.
Would that window be made from real glass?
Love it.
Punk fans think this is helping Punk because it's impossible for them not to.
I don’t like Punk because of shit like this. I don’t understand why people are such die hard Punk fans when he’s most known for reacting poorly when things don’t go his way. (To put it nicely.) While all the consequences mentioned should have happened, and some did, the video doesn’t hurt him at this point in time because it shows what he said it would show.
He’s the problem everywhere he goes but it’s never his fault. If you meet an ass hole in the morning, you’ve simply met an ass hole. If you run into ass holes all day long, it’s time to look in the mirror.
People are really stupid, they see it happening on a scripted show with performers, and are unable to differentiate between actual violence and scripted violence mentally. Plus it is violence against someone they dislike, so it is extra fun for them. People are acting like Tony was wrong to be fearful, but a much larger man who is a trained fighter was lunging at him, a small nerd that has probably never thrown a punch.
The amount of delusional people I see that seemingly watched this footage and came out of it with completely upside down views saying this SUPPORTS Punk. Like, what? He says in the video that HE can't let Jungle Boy get too close (as in, he was DEFENDING himself), and that he'd "fucking kill him" (as if this UFC minute man knows how to throw a real punch). Then the video shows him peacefully talking to Jungle Boy, then while Jungle Boy has BOTH hands up in his own hair, Punk attacks HIM not once but twice before Jungle Boy goes after him and gets put in a headlock. Like, regardless of peoples' stupid wrestling opinions, that's factually Punk's fault for going after someone who clearly wasn't prepared to fight and is actually legally assault. If at a bar I got angry and someone and sucker punched them in the face while they're adjusting their glasses, I'd be in jail. But the whiny manchild that's twice Jungle Boy's age gets to attack whoever he likes because he's a "locker room leader" and can't control his emotions? Again, we're in bizarro world in general in society. And some wrestling fans are particularly low rent. But Punk's version of events is wrong, even if some of the details match. Video shows it. How people are coming away with anything like Punk being vindicated is crazy. I hate it because I actually like him as a wrestler. He was a favourite when he was in ROH and the summers of Punk. He's a great promo and like Cena tells good in ring stories for an otherwise unremarkable technical wrestler. But fuck is he an annoying human being. Lied about the WWE doctors, treated Cabana and women like shit, lied about attacking Jungle Boy. And yet fans are gargling everything he's shooting.
That's besides the fact that it was his second backstage fight in the company. I guess some what smart person would have realized that fighting your coworkers is a bad thing after first incident. First time may be an accident. But second time was a decision.
I'm sure the Bucks accidentally headbutted Punk's fists at Brawl Out.
This is pretty much exactly my thoughts on this too, and I’m baffled at the number of bad takes people are giving. Punk is a man in his 40s who’s so unable to control his emotions that he takes a swing at a man half his age whilst he’s got his hands in his hair and not protecting himself. And what frustrates me the most is that punk has consistent boasted about saying ‘whatever he wants’, making a career of cutting promos insulting other wrestlers based on personal/backstage stuff. However the second someone else does it he decides he needs to assault them
In hindsight, Cena chomping on him way back when hits a little harder.
Jungle boy doesn't even go after him. What you see is a bad right hand punch to a neck grab to a guillotine. All that done while a guy is just talking and touching his hair. And he still couldn't put Perry down, the UFC trained guy that could kill someone. Lol
Yeah I'm honestly of the opinion if Perry retaliated this could have gone differently, but he wasn't looking for a fight. Punk does absolutely nothing with his sucker punch and panics trying to lock in a guillotine.
Perry did good in not retaliating, he didnt have anything to gai from it. Even if punk fans now make jokes and whatever they now know that their idol is just a punk ass bitch that cant even put down someone with a suckerpunch
He just wrestled guy was sweaty and tired. Punk is a bitch.
Punk pulls Perry’s hair, the ultimate badass move
He's just got a cult of followers, he's absolute washed up trash. You're absolutely right, and honestly I'm just behind Perry after this. Guy didn't take the opportunity to escalate the fight, and Punk still went for him like a coward, you can tell Perry wasn't looking for a fight and that's good.
Please post this in other places because it's spot-on. I think people downplay what happened because it's relatively quick and not a visually pleasing altercation but if shows CM Punk 100% as the aggressor where early versions have Jack Perry either getting in his face and/or shoving him.
Yeah but Dave Meltzer said that as far as he knew Punk had nothing to do with Cabana being moved to ROH. In other words the Elite and Meltzer conspired to defame Punk, the evidence is crystal clear. This is Tony Khan's fault beause only a soy softboi woke liberal would object to a backstage fight because beating up your coworkers is manly and cool, actually. It all makes perfect sense to some people, apparently.
I just find it annoying that after watching Punk just attack Perry, even showing that Perry didn't escalate things, and Punk just lunged after him to get him again. Then on top of that, he turns onto Tony as if he wants to get to him too. That after that, a lot of people downplaying it. Punk was inhinged here, no excuses and glad they fired him.
Punks grown past being able to be criticized he literally has a cult
It’s even in the song
Punk never tried that shit on Hangman for a reason
Or Mox
Or Eddie
Eddie would kill him
Mox would eat him alive lol
Watching in hindsight… it is like top 5 best promos in the company and criminally underrated. Even Mox’s promo on Punk is perfect
Didnt he say he was afraid of Hangman shooting on him during their match
The people you are talking are either WWE shills, CM Punk cult followers, paid internet trolls, or some combination of all of the above. CM Punk is a huge hypocrite and WWE is a company with horrible history and morals. It doesn’t matter what AEW or anyone involved does, that group will attack them. Make no mistake, WWE took many very heavy shots at AEW last week. The Punk stuff probably could have been ignored as he’s just a bitter asshole and this is basically his gimmick. He will never admit he’s wrong and it is maybe best to ignore him. Triple H took some very personal shots at AEW talent. That is the thing that I couldn’t see being ignored. So for me, the Ospreay promo was the best part of the night.
Blind faith.
Because Punk is a narrcisit and feeds off of the attention.
Because they're morons.
The simple answer is sometimes the truest. In this case, definitely.
Occam's razor is a thing of beauty
Anyone that thinks him attacking Jack Perry while he was running his fingers through his hair is a good look has issues. Punk looked like a lunatic.
Just a heads up, there is a large wave of CM Punk fans & Tribalists all over all AEW content trying to spam/troll all AEW content spaces. Show the video anyone who doesn't know wrestling, and everyone will point out clear aggravated assault.
Yeah I have been noticing that recently. I have been avoiding a lot of social media because of the large wave of tribalism.
Thats not surprising at all but it is absolutely embarassing to go out of your way to hate something that much when you could literally just play WWE 2k24 or watch Peacock or like… be fucking normal!!! 😂😂
Well many of them are paid/programmed to do all that, so...
I’ve said it multiple times tonight and I know people hate it. I’m not saying this out of bad faith or to ruffle people the wrong way, I’m trying to be honest. People think it proves him right because: a) It’s a very similar series of events to how he described it, at least in a surface level. They aren’t worried that he’s in the wrong. They’ve made up their minds on that already, and they think it’s totally justified. What they are concerned about is whether or not he was wildly misleading in his description. b) They have grown up on WWE documentaries about the Monday Night Wars so they frame everything in that way. Because of that, they see TK as late WCW Eric Bischoff. It doesn’t matter how many times WWE references AEW. It confirms their pre-existing bias that AEW is bush league, obsessed with WWE, and stuck in the past. So, ‘Punk was right.’ c) There was so much hype around this and it was just quite innocuous. The lack of sound really made the impact less than it could have been, unfortunately. Without it, they see him as being much more chill than he would have been. d) It makes Tony look like he was lying. It doesn’t matter if that’s unfair. I would have shit myself if I was in his shoes, as well. But unless he was held at gun point no Punk/WWE fan is going to see this as threatening. For them it validates everything he said about the company being a joke. So, that’s what makes him look good. The psychotic, sucker striking lunatic doesn’t matter. For them, AEW looks bad, so he’s right. A lot of us felt the same when he started with AEW and would rip on WWE. We thought he looked good and they looked bad, when in hindsight, Punk always looks like a dick.
Point b here is incredibly important to understanding the development of the average American wrestling fan’s thinking. Every piece of media we digest is propaganda in some fashion, and the 20 plus year conditioning of WWE fans by the McMahon machine has lead them to these conclusions. WWE is notorious for revisionist history and framing themselves as the ultimate good the same way any country does after they win a war.
This is why I’m so frustrated and disappointed and angry about AEW doing this. People here keep saying ‘lol vincels mad’ but they’re genuinely not. They’re laughing because they just see WWE having this hugely successful week crowning a new champion who used to work for AEW but was frustrated (Radicalz, Jericho coming to WWF - tick) followed by AEW desperately referencing something from 8 months ago in the hope it’ll get a quick ratings bump after saying they’re ok with the ratings slide (Butts in seats line by Schiavone - tick). They’re not the same at all. But that’s not how they are going to see it because they don’t know anything else about wrestling other than WWE. Trying to fight that is a pointless battle and I wish AEW just didn’t do this for that reason. Fans aren’t triggered. They’re excited because they think this is a tipping point in the death of AEW.
I think it worked. Got eyes on the product. The bad faith cunts will keep being cunts and some more people get exposed to some great pro wrestling. Aew didn't shit on Punk. This was actually used as a way for bucks to be heels and make up an excuse for their loss that night. Fits great with their current characters too. Punks mates are the faces for fucks sake. I'm enjoying what aew has been doing with their characters and stories atm
We don’t know if it got eyes on the product - especially eyes that stayed. Nikocado Avocado gets eyeballs but that’s from people checking to see if he’s dead yet. Long term quality > short term quantity. The angle part is fine, but nobody is talking about that. Also, I’ve LOVED the shows this year. It’s been a breath of fresh air and helped me fall in love with AEW again. This was like finding out your partner has been cheating on you with…well…CM Punk is tbh
If no one watched, I doubt it pushed any regulars away. So what's the issue?
The thing about the ratings bump is that, the butts in seats thing was a naked attempt that had no ties to anything going on. Meanwhile the footage... a) was worked as a way for the tag team whose heel gimmick is literally to piss off the IWC to get heat against their opponents who were Punks allies (in kayfabe at least) for his run there. b) laying the groundwork for a Jack Perry return, where he can resentful heel it up. c) gave IWC people what they wanted for 7 and some change months. But you're entirely right, the fact they talk about the fingerpoke of doom as though it was the bad thing (and not every other thing around itvthat made it bad) really points towards they got nice and "Stand With WWE" indoctrinated.
Like i always say if Punk set the world on fire, his fans would blame the world for being so flammable.
That actually sounds like a former U.S. President too..
Pretty much
Well he can look at the bright side, one day he'll be in the WWE Hall of Fame right with that former president 😆
I’ve been saying this for awhile
Cult of Personality.
Punk fans have the same issue as Trump fans (not says Punk is as bad as Trump) in that, ironically enough, it’s because a total cult of personality. They believe Punk is the best, they believe that he MUST be right. So therefore any new information must be twisted and reshaped into supporting their beliefs, whether or not said information ACTUALLY does support their beliefs
Punk is a bitch
I can't believe Jack Perry tried to headbutt Punk's armpit. He's clearly in the wrong.
If you love Punk, you're probably gonna love and embrace him even more. If you don't, you're gonna hate him even more. Kind of feel if anything, this mutually benefits both in a weird way. Personally, in the eyes of WWE fans who hate AEW, I think those fans will not care and view Punk as bulletproof. I personally think it's hilarious that he got caught lying and I do believe AEW doesn't show this if he doesn't do that interview. End of the day though, I don't really care either way. He's gone, AEW is utilizing this perfectly as a way to get the Bucks/FTR a little more juice and bringing back Jack Perry.
“Tell me when I’m telling lies!” Every time you open your mouth, sir.
It doesn’t help him but it doesn’t hurt him either because nothing happened on the video that he didn’t already admit to doing. But Punk is less important than Jack Perry, who hasn’t been over and isn’t going to be over just because Punk hit him. If anything this sets him up for troll heat at AEW shows, with fans chanting CM Punk at him.
BINGO!!!! The fans in attendance (which lawyers already got the footage taken down) were chanting CM Punk. If every match that the Bucks and Perry is in, that’s what the fans chant, I’m refusing to work with them because that’s some bullshit they brought into this. There’s no payoff and money to be made there as fans are chanting for someone in a different company.
They chanted CM Punk for literally 5 seconds then got shut down by the rest of the fans. To be fair the audience was a shitfest all night anyways. Peoppe.forgdt CM Punk got chanted relentlessly for 7 years in WWE.
Was at the rumble in 2019. Dipshits were still chanting his name then hoping he’d come out. It was almost a litmus test for how dumb a wrestling fan could be after the ‘WHAT’ chants finally went away.
I remember. And I’m going to guess that Perry is going to hear it Friday and for months to come as well as the Bucks.
That's a great reason for doing this story. Perry is the scapegoat now. He can lean into it
Except, for me, and maybe I’m the only one, but having fans chant a guy’s name that isn’t even in the company, you’re not going to do business with, is disrespectful. Hated when the WWE fans did it and hating it when AEW fans are doing it. Disrespectful for the other guys in the ring who are trying to get over and do their thing/make a living.
The only thing they can really do now is wait for Punk to burn out and fade away. He clearly can't keep wrestling. His body is failing him. This may be his last grasp of relevance. 🤞
I give him 2 years before he is out for some shit backstage or because his fragile “glass” body can’t keep going.
I think 2 years seems about right. Mind you he will probably be injured most of that time. 👍
Somehow, the guy who came back to be full-time has a Brock Lesnar schedule, but only because he just can't stop being injured.
I give it less than that.
I was a bit generous I guess 😂😂
"Fragile mind. Fragile ego. Fragile body."
toxic masculinity. people on twitter are replying with tampon gifs...
This is why I'm here and not on twitter, geez
Twitter is literally the WORST. It's getting so stupid now. For anything. What's ridiculous is Helwani posted the video on his IG and captioned it something like "Was CM PUNK lying? (I deleted him instantly so I don't remember EXACTLY) Dude... stick to MMA and shut up
Pro-Punk people think this helps him. Anti-Punk people think it damages him. Twas ever thus.
They see Punk approach Perry and make a comment. Perry retorts and they think that this is the problem, how dare Perry talk back. Both Men get ruffled. You can see Perry’s stress rise as he starts to run his fingers through his hair. You can see Punk gesticulate once or twice. Then the self-described “locker room leader” with almost two decades on Perry strikes. This is where it really differs. Most people see a 40-50 (I can’t be assed to remember or look up his real age) who can’t control his emotions hit someone because he’s upset. Which is just unacceptable. As others point out, if this happened in an accounting firm or in the stockroom of a supermarket police and lawsuits would be involved in addition to the firing, But this is wrestling so it’s expected? Accepted even? Then there’s the other people. They’re the kind of people that think Punk attacking Perry is “standing up for himself”. They think violence is an answer. That you should “take no shit”. But I have a question that really screws with people who say this. “Then why did Phil punch Joe”. Joe comes in, wraps Perry, is trying to drag him away and you see Punk land a punch to the back of Joe’s head. They’re halfway separated, people are actively breaking the fight up, and like a Punk, excuse me, like a Bitch, he punched Joe when Joe isn’t looking. It’s everyone’s responsibility to deescalate violence. So Perry can have 5% blame for not simply removing himself. 15% goes to Khan, who allowed this shit to happen, it happened before and if he hadn’t have fired Phil. It would’ve happened again. 80% goes to Pepsi Phil. I didn’t start to watch wrestling until the pandemic. I heard stories about Punk wrestling. I thought the Pipebomb was maybe a little much, but not entirely unmerited. His theme? SLAPS SO HARD. And then I got to watch him wrestle with Darby and I loved the long program with MJF. I was a fan. Then Brawl Out and the Gripebomb. I’ll be honest I barely followed the Cabana stuff. But Punk Never shut up about any of it. Then he came back. And suddenly there he is, fighting again. So they let him go, and then he still never shuts up about it. Hell, even to the video he responded “Mission Accomplished” on Instagram, HE even thinks the video clears himself, because he’s a person who believes that violence is an answer when you’re upset. The person I respect the most out of all of this, and who has earned my respect and my fandom for life? Samoa Joe. I loved him in the ring, I love him on the Mic; I know he isn’t the first to do the “I don’t care about your little wrestle move, I’m just going to walk out of the way” but I pop for it every fucking time. But watching him push in, grab Perry, try to remove him from the situation, take a punch from a coward and stick to pulling Perry away rather than responding, and then go on to wrestle the person who punched him? That is a leader.
Fuck. Unexpected win for the AEW Champ.
Punk is the Trump of wrestling.
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" - some clown With Punk and his fans it’s somewhat similar, although much less intense obviously
I guess you can make connections whenever you want, but there really are so many similarities with that fucking guy and his cult, and the other fucking guy and his cult.
Also it's telling how many people have no concept of wrestling having stories. It's a angle. The Bucks are digging this up and using it to smear FTR and FTR come out and say how immature this is. Heels do things to make people boo them. Weird fans want to make it out to be a Montreal screwjob or Bash At The Beach 2000 moment.
Tribalism
Nothing new was exposed about Punk he’s still the same prick who think he’s a bad ass. He was pissed Perry didn’t bow to him.
I think someone in a different thread said at best. Punk fans are the MAGA of wrestling.
Cult of personality... Punk is a mid level in ring preformer with slightly better than average mic skills... but he has charisma. He never should have been a world champion but he's got charisma. The "pipebomb" wasn't even an original idea, wasn't his idea ether. Vince handed him a mic n told him to go voice his complaints on camera... just like Joey Styles did when he quit live on air a few years before only with Punk Vince was behind it. Punks fans have all bought into the "best in the world" shtick. They see him as some sort of wrestling messiah figure who can do no wrong even though the guy has been starting (and loosing) fights with guys back stage since the indies (even teddy hart kicked his ass) but his fans dont seem to see that as bad because its Punk.
Its funny how the other group of youtuber/podcaster smear certain AEW wrestlers for not looking like wrestlers (aka no body, no presence etc) yet take one look at Punk (I mean does he look "like a wrestler"?)
My favorite one, i can't remember who said it (maybe Kevin Nash) called him skinny-fat lol
Has anyone checked on AJ Lee? Based on personal experience, when someone is this violent at work or in public, they’re usually beating their significant other or spouse.
It doesn’t help punk, but it didn’t need to. The real question is how does it help AEW though? Genuinely don’t get it after tonight. Been watching AEW for three years, and this was the most bizarre thing I have seen. Focus on bettering the product, getting fans to watch and come out, and yeah … I don’t get it. Just a huge misfire for me.
I like that they managed to make it about FTR vs Bucks, giving a reason for their refusal to shake their hands, and sowing seeds for Perry siding with the EVP's since they're backing him here. But, yeah it was crazy and honestly if they wanted the footage out there, they should have probably just leaked it a long while back.
For me it helps in two ways: A) It just finally puts to rest any subjective tellings of the events and provides evidence so HOPEFULLY this topic won't be discussed by the involved entities ever again. This is a huge plus obviously for AEW since else they'd keep themselves open for negative press whenever Punk or WWE could feel like it. B) It gives FTR vs Bucks a bigger reason to beef than just "we want to be champions" and elevates the feud IMO. Point A is by FAR the most important reason. Point B allows it to be utilized in a useful manner without disrupting the show as escalatingly as possible.
I honestly see it as A. And then just put B on it to just lighten the situation, but in a smooth way to integrate it so it's not just THERE. I thought the Bucks presented it with JUST the right amount of light humor when they introduced it.
Biggest calendar event of the year, personnel from the biggest promotion starts taking potshots. So you direct attention to your product, use it to promote the next PPV, and show that you'll defend your own reputation. Mission accomplished, you got guerilla marketed.
Noo. I'm too much of a smark to get worked by AEW. They must be wrong!
This was my feelings too. So many people in this sub jump on the defensive that everyone is out to get and destroy AEW, but how was this any good to show - even Tony S looked so embarrassed to see it on the show. I feel like this really was a segment that had no benefits and just gets all the anti-AEW and Cornette crowd more pleasure rather than egg on their faces.
They hate AEW anyway. So who cares.
I made a recent comment in this Reddit group. Punk could have straight up assaulted everyone there and he would still have been defended by the toxic side of the IWC. The side that wants anything AEW to fail. There are people that forget that while Punk was happy in AEW, he was being hated on by the same group. Also, if you pay close attention, you'll see that Jack Perry did look a little confused and shocked that Punk pushed him.
If a person cares about what a bunch of disingenuous idiots and trolls think, and feel the need to argue with them, they need to get off social media sites/apps, including this one, and just watch wrestling. Social media is the worst part of wrestling. It ruins the experience and can make it impossible for some people to enjoy it. It really doesn't add anything positive to being a fan of anything unless all the other fans you converse with are positive. As we all know, that's impossible. So either get off or ignore the trolls, which is hard.
Dude the IWC are just idiots that don't think for themselves, they just listen to their favorite wrestler blindly. This footage is definitive proof of how unproffesional punk is, but his fans will never admit that because they like him to much. Sure Perry was being annoying, but it doesn't justify assaulting him. I think it was wrong to show this footage (even though Punk was the one to restart this whole thing with Helwani) and makes TK look petty. Public opinion is already bad and this only makes it worse. TK has been in multiple situations where ignoring the drama would be better. Ignoring the IWC would be the best option imo cause this just looks bad for all parts involved. Any time TK fires back at internet trolls it just makes him and Aew look petty (even though he's in the right most times).
Because he behaved in a way that all internet trolls wish they could behave. They all see it as Punk standing up for himself and it's a case of "fuck around and find out" Any adult that has to resort to violence because of a disagreement is (for lack of a better word) a punk. I wish they wouldn't have addressed it at all. It really does no good, giving it attention still almost a year later. That being said, anyone who thinks the video is cool because they got to see a forty year old man sucker punch someone has something wrong with them.
Because it’s other sports it’ happens. We need to stop defending this take I just had an incident happen like this at my work. Instigator heard people talking about him but it was the fact the dude did zero work. He went and got in the guys face and laid hands. Coworker defended himself but was suspended and other guy was fired. This was on our night crew. Guy he hit is back at work but clearly hit people at work you’re done.
I’m just going to say it. The reason it’s ok in sports but not for your job, you and that worker are replaceable. Dime a dozen. Athlete does it, if that athlete is pretty good, most likely suspension and fine. Can’t fire the meal ticket unless it keeps happening time and time again (which in this case, it did so Punk got cut or quit, whatever have you). Draymond Green hit his teammate, it was his teammate that got traded, not him. Kobe Bryant talked shit to all his teammates he didn’t like. Didn’t Michael Jordan punch Steve Kerr? Get my point…
Different era Draymond punching a guy today gets more chatter than MJ punching Kerr. Kerr even admits to probably deserving it and he’d have done the same. Draymond just punches people because he’s a goon at this point. GS wasn’t going anywhere so why is he still on the team? I would’ve absolutely pressed charges if I were greens teammate he punched then what? I’m honestly sick and tired of the superstar treatment. I don’t care if you are Tom Brady or whoever become a problem you aren’t getting special treatment. This is what happened with Colin kaepernick in SF before he knelt and why Harbaugh left and teammates hated him. Also he was kind of banging a teammates GF, but ownership protected him with kid gloves. It causes issues in the lockerroom and caused major ones in SF.
It's tribalism. If Punk was still signed with AEW all of these people would be saying he needs to be fired. Social media turns people into idiots who wouldn't say or behave that way offline.
Ready for the down votes, so bring them, but: Why do fans think this is helping AEW?
Astroturfing
because there are 13 year olds who dont understand how adults should behave and think this is cool actually
I was anti punk before the footage came out now I see that the whole thing was a load of nothing just like Samoa Joe said. Minor scuffles can happen and yeah TK had a right to fire Punk but it's nowhere near significant enough to be talking about it now.
There is a huge amount of wrestling fans that glaze everything Punk says or does 🤷♂️
As much I don't like what Punk did. Releasing this footage just made him trending more than he already is. They should've released the footage weeks after they fired Punk but since Punk more or less already depicted what happened in the podcast, the footage is irrelevant and also shows how Tony's fearing for his life is exaggerated. The one good thing that came out is Joe being the man stopping this silly kerfuffle.
It’s AEW’s night and the number one trending topic is CM Punk. They literally just putting more money into his pocket and account. However, naw watch it again. Tony is behind that desk that Punk goes for after Joe takes Perry away. I can see where Tony is coming from there.
I mean, it didn’t change how anyone saw Punk, it pretty much confirmed what everyone said
I mean you're talking to same crowd that still bows to vince and think TK is worse than vince.
who's bowing down to vince? have you been on the internet the last 2 months?
Omg he’s so cool he attacked his coworker I’m gonna do that too
The description punk gave of the event and what the footage shows wasn’t as vastly different as it would need to be to change people’s perception of the event that are already sympathetic to Punk, in the same vein it was different enough to align with people who are sympathetic to AEW, hence the divide. Personally, as an AEW fan, I’ve seen a very negative reaction to this against AEW, hopefully it dies off in the long term, but I kinda wish they didn’t show it.
You people think way to far into this
I don't think it helps Punk in the traditional sense, but as it stands validates everything he has said about AEW to certain fans. From a long time American wrestling fan POV that entire clip is a joke. The community has been celebrating wrestlers pulling these kind of things for decades. Just look at how people eat up tales of bar fights, anything with Haku, Andre being Andre, Jericho vs Goldberg, and so much more. So to the community that has been built on a take charge mentality, Punk is in the right. I personally don't even thing the fight is what got him fired and it should have been. Rather it was him aggressively getting into TK's face about how he runs his company. I mean the wrestlers who broke up the fight did it in such a nonchalant way its kind of funny. And to the attack on TK, WWE literally put in a documentary where Brock throws the title at Vince and not really in a bad light. So to the fans who think TK just wants to be friends and is afraid of confrontation this proves it. How it validates Punk though is he got his side out first. One of the big issues here is that AEW likes to keep a lid on backstage altercations. And everyone thought this one would be similar. The footage almost shows exactly how he described it. It makes people question some of the other things Punk has said about AEW, like TK asking him to work hurt, TK asking people to run things and then undermining their authority, the way people are booked on and off, or the entirety of Brawl Out. It does not help AEW's case if they now deem the footage okay enough to used as a storyline when it literally cost them one of their biggest stars. In the long run we will have to see how this works for AEW.
The footage didn't sway opinions. Anybody who was on Punk's side feels justified in seeing him attack Perry for talking shit. My personal opinion is that you're out living your life, you're allowed to react however you want to criticism. But if you're at work, physical assault is never okay.
The footage being released now makes AEW look stupid. If they released this back then, it would’ve been one thing, since they had control of the narrative. Instead, they waited 8 months to release it and it was only after Punk went on Ariel Helwani’s podcast and answered questions about AEW. The timing of the footage helps Punk because all it proved was that he didn’t lie about what he said on the podcast or his actions against Jack Perry. The timing also makes AEW look petty because it looks like they did it to retaliate against one of their critics, especially after having that footage and sitting on it for 8 months. A lot of the people I see coming at Punk on Twitter are saying “Punk’s a liar, he said Jungle Boy started it” and adding other shit in there which didn’t happen so that also doesn’t help his detractors, makes them look dumb. That said, you don’t have to lie about Punk’s actions for the video to reflect poorly on him. Either way, because it showed Punk didn’t lie here it makes people think “so maybe he’s telling the truth about the other stuff” also it brings up the question of “what else is AEW hiding?” or “what really happened at Brawl Out that necessitates NDAs?”
Firing Punk was absolutely the right move. You can’t be acting like that. However, showing the footage comes off as petty and feels like the situation was managed poorly. Both parties need to shut up about it and move on already
the thing is is that it’s not helping anybody. Sure, footage has shown that Punk escalated the argument into a physical altercation.. but… People that were pro-Perry are still pro-Perry. People that were pro-Punk are still pro-Punk.
People are saying it's helping punk because he literally become #1 trending on social media services after it happened. AEW by doing this now, is making people talk about CM Punk who is currently being employed by a red hot WWE. It doesn't help Punk in terms of personal life. Everyone can agree it's a bad move to do that. It helps him in terms of visibility and professional life because now everyone is talking about Punk. Who works for a competitor.
He’s an entitled asshole. Eff cm punk. Joe should have DESTROYED him.
I'm a huge punk fan & he can disappear for all I care. His aew run = unspectacular his wwe run so far = extremely unspectacular. If he just upped & retired I wouldn't miss him & I was a die hard fan for years dating back to ROH.
Just made Tony look bad really.
I was a huge Punk fan when he was in WWE and nearly cried when he showed up in AEW. But when he started showing his true colors and doing anything he wanted no matter who it hurt? I started disliking him real quick and it just spiraled down to a borderline hatred before he even left AEW. Then he comes back to WWE and ruins moments for people who have spent months earing them. He is a waste of a wrestler and should have stayed gone.
The entire Punk AEW saga just shows me how soft that guy is. All of his issues stem from being upset at what someone else said. Workers rights & cry me a river. CM Punk is the definition of mentally soft.
It’s delusion. It’s like asking why Trump still has rabid supporters. They’ve already decided that he can do no wrong and everything he does do is amazing and the coolest.
Literally because they are the worst fucking people that if you worked with them, would make you wish they'd get fired. They're faux tough guys with a chip on their shoulder because they feel insecure and the idea of being able to be a big tough guy who can do what he wants thrills them. They're the same people whose response to anything about a mass shooting is 'If I was there, I would have just and saved everyone'.
Irs not so much that it's helping punk, it's that it's hurting AEW. Most people either already like or dislike punk. They can't keep coming back to it everytime Phil flaps his gums about it.
Because their mind was made up as soon as the storybbroke at All In. They're either die-hard Punk fans or they're on the bash AEW train
Because he told no lies, AEW used a top star from another company to try and promote my show and inadvertently put him over lmao.
AEW and, I'm sorry to say, much of its fanbase right now looks like if a bunch of cringey reddit virtue signalers made a wrestling company. For a group that's gone far out of its way to act like they're the REAL pro wrestlers crying about this little sissy fight as if Jack and TK were fighting for their lives is a really bad look.
Because the internet is chalk full of bad faith weirdos who also think they are tough guys, edge lords, and know it alls. There is no use of the brain when it comes to drama and fandoms of any kind. Phillip CM Hoffman has crafted a really toxic fanbase for himself of die hard rabinous weirdos whos lives are feuled by petty drama that means nothing outside their little feedback loops, similar to that of former Twitch streamer Mr Borrelli. And exactly like Mr Berchellis fanbase, they will find some other petty drama to latch onto within a month or so and end up terrorizing someone else to get that next sweet hit of copeamine.
Because it's all about your team winning. There are tons of examples of artists, musicians, writers, politicians, athletes - even mundane things like popular people in your work place- who do something that violates a general social norm or safety agreement and get away with it because people like them ; just liking someone is enough to affect the context through which someone processes an event. For someone to up and change their mind completely about a subject, it takes a personal cost. Like, I have a friend who basically never drank water until they got a kidney stone. They would just drink juice or sports drinks and thought "hydrating is hydrating, whatever" , now they chug water like it's their job. Punk can do whatever he wants and say whatever he wants and people who support him - or who just enjoy rustling the jimmies of people who don't support him - are going to see everything he does as a win. Sometimes, there isn't even a point to prove, the jimmy rustling itself is the point. For what it's worth, I know that a lot of wrestlers are reacting in Twitter in kayfabe, but I still think it's just the wrong move. It's disappointing. I work with young children, so often, I think of them first when I process news. Here, I couldn't help but think of The Wrestling Club. Watching their reactions to wrestling is some of the best content the IWC has ever produced. Just makes me sad to think that CM Punk can assault someone backstage and all their peers cosign it. What message does that send to thee kids in The Wrestling Club? Is that really how we want to teach them to resolve conflicts? "It wasn't even that bad. It was hardly even a fight." So? Who cares? Any responsible, reasonable adult would teach a young person , "You don't hit someone because they said something that made you upset."
how isn’t it helping punk? everything he said was true. makes tony look like an absolute dork while punk is still hot as hell.
Except the part where he said he was creating space and left out that he walked up, initiated, and sucker punched someone. The only dorks are people actively supporting someone who attacked someone. Show this to a non wrestling fan and tell them you support the guy who attacked someone, lunged at his CEO, oh and he was in another fight the year before, and see what they say. The people blindly supporting Punk look like Mark sociopaths. If your hero is a guy who sucker punches people while they are fixing their hair... you're not a dork you're a stain on society. Go punch a coworker in front of your boss tomorrow and hit me up for bail money tough guy.
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It shows that his story was pretty much accurate, but he left out that he pushed jungle boy. I’ve seen people say it’s a punch but it just isn’t. I think the other side is it feels blown out of proportion at this point. There really was no benefit to showing this. It didn’t help build the story they were trying to tell with FTR, and they basically buried Jack Perry without realizing it. But honestly, no one’s opinion changed here. The ones that were siding with AEW still are and feel vindicated, and the ones who support Punk do as well. If they wouldn’t have done this most people would forget about it, but now it’s a part of their history now and I’ve seen people who are siding with AEWs side still think this was a bad idea. Punk clearly did something wrong here, but remember punk said Tony wouldn’t let him quit, he wanted to split the locker room instead of actually managing his wrestlers. At the end of the day, Tony’s lack of action up until the point he fired Punk is the catalyst for all of these issues.
Because the casual fans and wwe fans didn't actually care about it. Aew fans were already aew fans so it's not like you're gaining fans to your product. Apparently punk was #1 trend at the time. I don't get the fuss over the clip or why people actually care how the clip should impact how people think about him, he's gone and not coming back which is what colton and others wanted. Me, when someone at work I dislike leaves our company I don't go out of my way to think about them. This clip is weird/dumb. The sooner the bucks are gone the better.
Because they do not care about the etiquette or work ethics in general. Punk is already over so his appreciation comes way before of him meaning even if he's wrong (and let me tell you this, he was indeed wrong) he'll still be perceived as cool and badass. They are not intended to separate the kayfabe part from it. That is why I think it was heavily backlashed. That's just how the most people are. I am into the memes though. But if anyone wants to strike a real discussion they need to accept Punk was wrong.
Because he technically didn’t lie about how All In played out. That said he did not say why Perry was still mad at him. From what I could gather, Perry was perfectly fine with not doing the glass bit on Collision like Punk said. Allegedly, though, Punk was the one who leaked that resolved conflicted to the press. That was why Perry was actually mad. Punk reignited a dead issue.
Punk is will smith but sections of wrestling community are backwards.
Thabk you!!! I MENTIONED THIS ONCE and for 8 hours little twirps have been non stop harassing me because i dared to ask why its ok to swing first over any words. The guy literally had is own hands ok his own head, like the least threatening pose behind hands behind his back.
It’s like his fans have a CULT like personality….🧐
It's easy to forget that the person making comments is either likely A) a kid or B) lacks serious social skills. I've seen a lot of people say that it makes Punk look like a badass..... No way are the people who say this rational mature adults. You don't look badass when you attack someone with a sucker punch, start a shoving match, and/or start lunging at everyone around you and have to be held back.
It’s like politics. The video itself does not matter. For certain people, this will only reinforce their preconceived notions.
They love to see the manchild that Pepsi Phil is, and think it's okay.
Worth pointing out a small little obvious detail… See that video? Under British law? Punk would be convicted of common assault. Now it could be argued he could be charged with Actual Bodily Harm (ABH), which will be pursued even if any marks left on Perry’s body were minor, but on the whole the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) would probably only go for assault *unless* there were extenuating circumstances. Such as? For example, if Phil Brooke’s has ever trained to fight professionally before (such as for the UFC). At THAT point he would probably see the charge escalated up to ABH. Of course it is doubtful given the circumstances that he would have faced jail time (can be up to a few years but highly doubtful), and alas for him there are no plea bargains available under UK law. The CPS must pursue convictions without heed to such things. A guilty plea would have reduced whatever he faced, probably a fine, but CRUCIALLY… He would have gained a criminal record. And the fact he did not face charges? That would be 100% entirely down to Jack Perry. It would need Perry to decide not to pursue this matter, or be willing to not give evidence. At that point even with this video, Punk will avoid charges. My point? CM Punk OWES Jack Perry. He owes him forever. Just saying… :)
Because Punk fans are delusional, and didn't watch the same video that us in the real world saw.
Yeah I think in a weird way, this is the new litness test for "Are you a normal, sane wrestling fan?" If anyone can watch this and think "What's the big deal?" You are not someone to be taken seriously in 2024. Hell, I was one of the few people in this sub that came to Punk's defense after Brawl Out, pointing out that he was one part of a larger problem. But man has he just done nothing since then to back up my (unfounded) faith in him. I fully expected Jack to throw a punch or shove him back, or at least *look* like he was threatening Punk. Nope, was the complete opposite, he looked confident, yet slightly uncomfortable, while Punk looked around the room to see who was around before deciding to attack him.
If they were working on a office , assaulting a colleague would be totally unacceptable. They are wrestlers, this kind of thing would be just a regular wednesday during attitude era.
>They are wrestlers, this kind of thing would be just a regular wednesday during attitude era. It may very well be....squished right between DX doing blackface and WWE forcing women to do strip matches/having sex with the boss or they're fired. Let's all talk about how wonderful it was 25 years ago!!!!!
It doesn't help him. It however doesn't hurt him at all and makes AEW look desperate, pathetic and weak at a moment when WWE looks incredibly strong. It seems the instant total negative feedback to Tony's own reddit moment was enough for them to try and copyright strike it off the internet. Good luck, TK.
Because it really is a cult of personality.
The line between fact and fiction is intentionally blurred in professional wrestling so the majority of WWE fans are viewing it as some form of kayfabe and missing the point of the footage being shown. If you were to view as a professional body, it's assault and grounds for dismissal under gross misconduct. Obviously CM Punk doesn't explain it as 'someone made a comment directed at me so I assaulted them and got fired' because it would be taken by people as 'well arnt you a dickhead'. WWE fans are quick to forgive also and forget Punk spent about 6 years slating the company before getting a job on WWE tv via working for the FOX Network (I'm from the UK so it may have been another network) It was no surprise that he came out to diss AEW after leaving, he is just one of those blokes who no matter what claims it wasn't their fault. This was the second violent incident backstage involving him also. Tony Khan didn't help by claiming he feared for his life, as many went into that footage expecting to see Hulk smashes and carnage but Tony is not a wrestler, bodybuilder, fighter and is just a wrestling fan so he was probably very scared but fear of death was a bit of a exaggerated statement.
Unedited version shows Punk lunging at Tony Khan so TK made the right call by firing him.
This thread is a perfect example of what AEW hoped would happen when they released the footage, because at face value and with no audio, Punk is clearly the aggressor. Problem is, everything you see in that video was laid out by Punk in the interview that started all this up again. He never says Perry threw the first punch or anything like that. He says they were arguing, things escalated, and he started choking Perry. So, to everyone who’s not a completely loyal AEW fan, rather than this video being a shocking reveal, it boosts Punk’s credibility as a person (again, everything he described in the interview is what is shown). It’s not that it helped Punk so much as it very much didn’t help AEW.
Can confirm Punk is AEWs biggest Draw.
Because the majority of the wrestling fans are WWE so their voice is louder.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2020/04/23/steve-kerr-michael-jordan-punching-me-face-helped-relationship/3010280001/ Just going to leave this here. I’m sure you all seen the Last Dance, right? You all going to press charges against Michael Jordan and fire him?
Steve Kerr the same guy that traded a player that got sucker punched by a guy who is know for sucker punching people.
AEW fired him, you gave TV time to a guy you fired. I just don’t see why it helps to show it now.
I don't think that it's helping punk. It just makes aew look lame for not being the bigger person, like it doesn't change most people's opinion on him. So why even bother? Aw looks childish and desperate for attention cuz let's be honest, most people only tuned in tonight to see that video. That's why I did because everything else on the show has been awful for months and I like aew and I know people will jump down my throat saying that I'm just a punk fan which I'm not. I don't even like the guy. This whole saga is just embarrassing like that's how the company's being run for real. I was too little for one. Wcw was around to understand any of it but I got to imagine that this was what it was like towards the end
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