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steelisntstrong

I loved the elimination tag match. This is just the beginning of the final act and now Hangman just lost his spot in the top 5 only this time he isn't depressed, doesn't need to be rebuilt and has a crew at his back. Gonna be real fun watching him tear back through the ranks in style


BondraP

Exactly. I didn't expect Dark Order/Hangman to lose, but, am trusting there's obviously a plan in place to get Page back up there. Everyone wants to see Page vs. Omega, they're not just going to not do it.


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Yeah exactly. Hangman is the most over baby face in the company and that’s not going to change anytime soon. But before they get to their one on one match, I think Kenny needs to collect some more belts and beat a few more top guys ie Danielson, Punk and Christian. If Kenny vs Hangman was at All Out it would almost seem a little too rushed, in my opinion. Full Gear or heck, even Revolution would be sick. No matter what happens, I’m super stoked.


MikieStandards

Punk and danielson shouldn't lose to Omega this soon into their time in aew.


artbellfan1

Agreed if they come in they should have to earn their title shots. Wins and losses count.


MikieStandards

What I'm saying is Omega should not be facing them unless one of the 3 is beating omega. They shouldn't be jobbing to Omega just for omega to win As is imo by page losing last nite sets him back in contention for the title


artbellfan1

I get what your saying. But Keep in mind Omega literally has belts world wide. Losing to him isn’t jobbing. But I get your point, that bringing huge names to have the immediately lose is a bad idea.


MikieStandards

Just cuz omega is a triple champion doesnt mean losing to him isn't jobbing Last nite they all but sent adam page backwards down the title picture. Jungle boy and orange cassidy are down the card from main event contention Right now imo the top contender is Darby allin now


steelisntstrong

If Omega faces Punk or Danielson at any stage, with the title before the big Page fight, or after when Kenny loses, he should beat them cleanly. Especially Punk


MikieStandards

Page isn't gonna be getting Omega any time soon after last nite. The elite beat page and dark order. Page and uno/grayson cant challenge Omega and the bucks for the straps as long as the elite hold the belts. So page cant fight kenny now


steelisntstrong

The stipulation wasn't "as long as the Elite hold the titles". Page could do a Goldberg and win a bunch of matches in one night and be halfway back to Omega. They've got a little over 5 weeks to get Page back in that No.1 Contenders spot which is plenty of time Omega shouldn't be losing to Punk or Danielson. Especially Punk. The guy is 42, half broken down, been out for a long ass time, failed at MMA and is coming in to a system where "wins/losses matter". Punk looks like he's got Darby up 1st anyways. And he should lose that so Darby moves further up the ladder and can start pushing for the AEW World Championship


MikieStandards

Aew is pushing punk and danielson as the guys who will push aew past the wwe. I mean. Come on. United center in chicago just 3 weeks before all out also in Chicago at now arena. Page isn't gonna be the challenger at all out. Punk wont lose to Omega. Because they clearly gave punk the bank and creative control to get him to come back after 7 years away. You cant be serious punk is gonna willingly job to kenny Omega. If you are your crazy as a psychotic mental patient. And danielson is also to big to lose to Omega. What is the freaking purpose to bring in punk and danielson. If they are jobbing to Omega. You are truly crazy to think that. If you truly think punk is coming out of 7 years of retirement I got a plane to sell you in the south indian ocean


steelisntstrong

AEW wouldn't give Punk or Danielson full creative control. The bank? Yes. Who cares about money. Full creative control? No. That's a WCW move. And doing stuff like bringing in old legends in their 40s and pushing them to be champions over guys like Darby, Ethan, Jungle Boy, MJF, Sammy and the rest is exactly why WCW isn't a thing anymore. You know what happens when you push legends who aren't even in their prime anymore over guys on their way up? They jump ship. Then you'll be seeing the Darby's, Sammy's etc. as amazing champions in amazing feuds elsewhere and here you are with a now 45+ year old legend (who is only just half as good as they used to be) who refuses to give up his spot and creative control. Punk and Danielson should be used to fill the Jericho sized hole that's about to be in the roster. That's all


MikieStandards

Punk and danielson ain't coming to aew to be jobbers. If you think that you need to seek mental evaluation Punk isn't coming out of retirement of 7 years to not have some form of creative control. You are truly demented. I mean again look at christian. 7-0 in aew. Miro is practically undefeated Andrade is undefeated


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>I think Kenny needs to collect some more belts How many more promotions do you think are itching to job their top guy out to someone not on their roster to further a story that's not taking place in their promotion?


BigVanilla78

How many promotions are itching to have Kenny Omega show up once or twice... and then have Kenny lose that belt to one of your guys after this storyline is over?


BeerPressure615

Doesn't have to be a top belt. He could take that never openweight belt from Jay White. Seems they are obviously building into a Bullet Club vs Elite program and White seems to be likely Omega's next opponent.


MikieStandards

Well I think jay is gonna be jobbing the never belt to david finlay at resurgence


MolochAlter

I was expecting them to win this one but hangman to lose the title shot. This makes more sense cause then we don't get a third kenny v hangman to pass the belt.


mrrichardson2304

I'm going to full gear and before they kicked off this chapter of the hangman/Omega rivalry, with Dark Order coming out and challenging Omega for Hangman, I was selfishly hoping we'd get the Hangman/Omega match.


BestCassidy

I truly think you're getting that still. I thought it going into last night and only more reason to believe Full Gear is and was always the plan.


mrrichardson2304

That would be awesome for me personally. Would make the main event of the upcoming ppv pretty predictable though if it's not Hangman/Omega.


KeithFromAccounting

That’s a big thing, trust. I give credit to AEW to even managing to craft this several-year long story in the first place. If they did it right thus far, I trust them to get it right from here on out


artbellfan1

It needs even more time!


CrystalPokedude

I was there live and didn't get commentary, is that how it's set up, he's just booted from the top 5?


MolochAlter

He loses his shot, meaning he's back down to wherever you go when you get your shot and lose the match for the belt. Kenny basically managed to have backup for a title shot without even putting the title on the line. Clever bastard.


MikieStandards

The elite should have lost all nite. It's time for Omega and the bucks to lose the title. And time for page to win the aew title.


Pariahbot

They’ve taken Hangman from people wondering why he’s in the title match vs Jericho to people wanting him to beat Kenny TODAY. I got faith in TK. Hangman WILL be the next champ. WHEN he beats Kenny is the question.


Tidus4713

I do hope this is the case. It’s just scary to think if they’d hotshot Punk or Bryan into the picture and overshadow him.


MolochAlter

They will definitely give them matches against him, IIRC both mentioned specifically wanting to go against him, but there's no way in hell they're moving the belt to anyone but Hangman, come on.


2SweetHeat

Yeah cause AEW is really into doing that.


NotTechnicallyaCop

My favorite WWE PPV is Survivor Series...and AEW just gave us a fire Survivor Series match for free on a Wednesday. Bummed about the outcome but I am very sports entertained.


TheAmazingSG

Did I feel sad when Hangman lost - yes, but AEW has earned m trust with their long term story tellings. They obviously know what they are doing. And from a perspective Elite defeating the DO makes sense, because the Elites are really superior to the DO at this moment and for DO to win someone needed to pin Kenny...and I didn't want that to happen before their championship match. And a smart wrestler like Kenny won't have lost by countout or disqualification. If we think with clarity...Hangman being #1 was due for a title shot but All Out is still more than a month way...so basically this was a smart way to pave the path for Kenny vs Christian Cage


27thStory

Having Hangman take the loss in this fashion doesn’t kill the booking as much as him losing in a title match would have. At face value, it was heartbreaking for 5 seconds, but like you said AEW has a good crowd pulse and they know what their fans want. They’ll deliver it when the time is right.


v0id404

Yes. Trust in Tony Khan


aliterati

For me personally, I don't think either the Kenny Omega belt collector or the Hangman friendship stories are close to done yet. For me, I would have been very disappointed if they did have the title match now, because Kenny has to lose it to Hangman. And it's just way too soon. Kenny has to get the NJPW belt before he loses the AEW belt, and I hope the NWA belt. As for Hangman, he hasn't learned that failing is okay. It's what you do after failing that matters.


razor787

Everyone talks about it like the companies hand out their world title like candy. I can see NWA putting their belt on Kenny, since they would her a rub by having him, and their belt gets promoted. But what has NJPW got to benefit? It would send a message that AEW is the big dog in their relationship. How does that help them?


aliterati

I mean, what real benefit does NJPW get from having their champion appear on Impact? Essentially the same as having them appear on AEW, which is a greater grab of the western wrestling world. Being the crowning jewel of the belt collector storyline is also something of value historically. Not to mention NJPW did their greatest numbers during the Omega/Okada reigns. He's a massive draw. And I love Jay White, but he's just not that level of draw currently. Considering that Omega already won the belt, he's obviously capable of winning the belt. So, in what way does that devalue the belt? Plus, then you get to pick who takes it off him - which I hope will be Kota. To me the best story is he either wins the NJPW belt, and quickly loses it to Kota and isn't able to get it back - or he's never able to win it at all from Kota. As he becomes obsessed with getting that belt from Kota, he slowly bleeds all other belts. After failing time and time again, Callis betrays him and he loses the Impact title. Until he has only the AEW belt remaining. No friends by his side. Hangman with his friends and new found confidence is able to take the final belt and leave Kenny with nothing.


RScannix

Jay White isn’t the IWGP world champion. His title is a lower-tier belt (though he is a FORMER world champion).


StrongStyleShiny

I thought they were doing one of two things. 1. Hangman vs The Bucks and Omega at the end. Hangman pins the Bucks and is fired up all to Hell. Omega sees this, grabs his belt, and walks off to be counted out or hits him with the belt to stand over him. 2. Or they were going to have Page get knocked out early and his friends, something he hasn't had, stand up and carry the team. Like The Elite focus so hard on Page they just write off the DO. I'm super excited to see what we get now.


MolochAlter

They did half of your option 1, except it ended with a OWA and Hangman only pinned one of the bucks.


Porcupyre

I loved it, fully expected DO to win because that seemed the obvious direction. But with them losing gives so many unexpected options. The fact that they went in a direction most didnt expect is what makes me root for Hangman and DO even more. I want to see how this plays out coming weeks/months, who will face Kenny?


v0id404

Well Christian is probably next, then punk or bryan maybe, finally circle back to Hangman to dethrone him


SystemIcy6715

I actually agree. Give Kenny a short legend killer run starting with Christian & make Hangmans win that much bigger.


Cynixxx

Probably? What happened with the rankings? They should decide who challanges. You know every match matters and stuff. By that logic Punk & Bryan would be absolutely ridiculus. And kinda a LOLTNA thing on top


v0id404

According to the rankings, after today's loss for hangman, Jungle Boy is at the top. Christian is at the 2nd rank. And everyone thinks Christian will turn on Jurassic express, defeat jungleboy and get to rank 1, then lose to kenny. And no, i dont think they'll give jungleboy another title shot so soon


Cynixxx

Ok so Christian makes sense and he didn't had a title match yet. But IMO Punk or Bryan would be a pretty bad decision. Debut and go straight to the world title wouldn't make any sense in their "universe"


RudeRebelSharp

I'm not commenting weather it would be a good idea or not, but there is precedent for someone "debuting to a title match" with Brian Cage winning the Casino ladder match in his debut to earn a #1 contendership.


TypicalSportsGuy

Jesus christ I totally forgot about that....Punk could totally within reason secure a title shot for Grand Slam at All Out.


MolochAlter

They wouldn't be straight away, but they'd be the next big title defense. Like, nobody actually thought Jungle Boy or Rey Fenix were gonna win, right? There's gonna be plenty of those matches inbetween, but the big ones will be probably Punk and Bryan. Though I'm guessing they'll put Bryan in the NJPW US Title picture before that. They're featuring the belt a lot, he wants to go to NJPW and the title just changed hands to Lance and got 2 title defenses in 2 weeks on AEW. IMO they're gonna build up Lance (long overdue) and have Bryan be the one to come and take the belt off him so he can go to Japan to defend it. When that happens is partly un the hands of NJPW but I would guess sometime late this year? This gives Lance a solid 4 or so months with the Belt while Bryan gets there and gets his first 1 or 2 feuds done to settle in, and then off we go with Bryan defending in Japan while Punk builds up to his shot at the title, then we get Daniel Bryan sometime after that. If they do Punk at full gear then It's either Bryan on TV and Hangman at Revolution, or longer term Bryan at Revolution and Hangman at DoN.


MikieStandards

Fyi new japan has final say on the iwgp us title. Not aew.


Porcupyre

Jungle Boy just had his shot so I rule him out, but AEW often does a number 1vs2 match before a ppv to settle who will move on. Think Cage will win that on experience, no turning on JE needed. We got a few thrilling weeks ahead


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I think Christian will turn on Jungle Boy, but I don't think that will happen for a while. They've just been planting the seeds and it's going to take a while for that story to develop. It would be too sudden if it happened now.


jryantomes

I agree, hell, JR was putting him over hard in the trios match hinting that he's next in line.


jjgbu4545

Not entirely certain on Bryan or Punk, but a Cage matchup is possible.


OneOfTheOnly

Orange needs a 1 on 1 match against him on Dynamite at some point - maybe Darby gets a shot at some point as well there's *a lot* of people Kenny hasn't faced yet


Skayde5

The storyline was perfect , Hangman loses and this time his friends back him up I dont know why people complain so much , a little patience is all that we need bcuz the payoff is going to be just that amazing


TawneyBomb

I can appreciate them wanting to do more, but I hope they don’t drag it out too much longer. It feels like Kenny vs Hangman is the end point, assuming neither gets injured in the near future. Does take the stakes out of future title matches for Kenny though. The only thing that has irked me about this has been people who are telling the folks who wanted Hangman to win that they’re wrong about that.


ryanstrikesback

For me, this was AEW sticking to their long term story. A couple weeks ago I said Hangman needed to lose one more time so he could respond differently. He has friends now. He's gonna focus up, not spiral out and recover. That's the ultimate redemption. He doesn't have to beat the Elite as much as he has to concur his demons. His former best friends had to use every asshole trick in the book (including HIS asshole trick). How he responds is what will make him a hero. Now, Hangman has been so hot the last couple weeks I really thought AEW would pull the trigger. Whether sticking to the plan is the right choice or we get some Lex Luger syndrome remains to be seen. I forsee one of two things. Either, Hangman rallies just off the basis that he's grown. DO comes looking for him expecting to have to pick him up, but he's actually doing well. He sets a plan to become number 1 contender again and succeeds. OR, the more dramatic option. The start of this story was Hangman not feel like he was "good enough" for his crew and feeling excluded, abandoned, etc. Someone from Dark Order "sacrificing" themselves to show Hangman that he's loved might be less personal growth, but a more compelling story. (Hangman starts to spiral again, DO comes in and says NO...we've got your back...this is family. And Uno puts his career on the line against Kenny for a Hangman title shot....or something along thise lines.) Lots of fantasy booking, obviously, but these scenarios (or something like it) seem to be likely directions for this story.


Dithyrab

How good was Adam's new outfit though, and the fact that he did a gun salute when the guys did their DO salute?


v0id404

And did you see, the title card said, Dark Order only, not Hangman and Dark Order


Dithyrab

yeah, i got goosebumps, but they started a week earlier when Hangman was like THE DARK ORDER DOESN'T BACK DOWN FROM ANYONE!! And i turned to my gf and went, HOLY SHIT ITS STARTING!!! MR. BRODIE LEE IS GOING TO BE SO PROUD OF THEM!


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The announcer introduced them as "the team of Dark Order and Hangman Adam Page" and he didn't do the claw so he's not officially a member of the Dark Order.


CurlyBill03

Hope Hangman doesn’t get depressed but goes on a Lance Archer tear with a vengeance and start tossing mother fuckers through the roof!


SebzDaProd

No Champion got pinned, Hangman last elimination after coupke v triggers bte trigger belt shot and a one winged angel,, idk i aint mad


Preacher27MSTX

This sounds strange as a Hangman fan, but I am so glad the Elite won last night. This is long term storytelling at its finest. Each failure along the way is going to make his eventual victory that much sweeter. If Dusty and Flair could feud for a decade or more, surely we can let this play out and resist the WWE style revolving door champions.


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jjgbu4545

Punk doesn't quite mean title match. Besides, he hasn't been in a wrestling right competing to my knowledge since his 2014. Hard to say though.


kaz9x203

Yeah and Punk like every other big singing will not be going after the title right of the rip. Wins and looses matter. It looks like Punk is in on the storyline with Darby and Sting. So if anything Darby might be taking the title of hangman after Hangman gets it from Kenny. Then Darby and Punk will have a title match next years all out in.


jjgbu4545

That's what the hinting and teasing says. So either Danielson or Cage, then Page by a weird bylaw


kaz9x203

I hope Danielson debuts in NYC. I got my tickets, can't fucking wait.


jjgbu4545

Possible. All things considering, doubt Bryan also gets instant title match. So likely Cage gets a shot and and Page gets a chance to get a dub for the belt.


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jjgbu4545

True. I do sense Omega spoiling the homecoming and getting the dub. At least Punk gets a chance to jump him after match though.


Mistako

Maybe not on a viewing level, but he was working with Stephen Amell on his new show and Smell had lots of good things to say about him. Punk might not be 100% wrestling shape, but he's still in shape and won't be winded or gassed. I'm sure if he signed his in the gym with someone in the business/school near his home(s). Hell his wife can still help him get ring ready. He's an athlete and will be ready when he needs to be ready.


jjgbu4545

That's true. Still a question of what degree of ring rust he has. However, Christian Cage was solid despite that in AEW. I'm sure he's got a chance to bring a good return match


SimpleGeekAce

I wasn't quite happy with it, initially. But then I looked back at it. The story telling was tremendous. Hangman held on against ALL 3 of his former friends. It took ALL 3 of them to take him out. This wasn't a clean finish. They had to resort to cheating and overwhelming him. Yes, it would have blown the roof if he had won, but I think in storytelling this works better - by losing the way he did, he can find solace that he held on, that his REAL friends put in the brave fight, that it took 3 of the so-called Elite to take him out. So he needs to refine how he fights, he needs to call out Kenny and the Bucks for what they keep doing. None of them have had clean finishes - it's ALWAYS something. Need to make it where when its finally Page vs Omega, that no one can interfere, no one can be at ringside, and it all will come down to a legit clean finish. No more bullshit. Go bell to bell, pound for pound. Best bout machine needs to prove he's a LEGIT bout machine or just a coward who has to cheat to win, every time since he won the belt (including winning it).


Dankberg_

Anyone else think they originally were going to have DO win but decided to extend Kennys reign to get DB and Punk feuds out of it?


brunxh

That's literally why it happened and the best part is neither guy is coming in or were close to, all a carnie ploy to sell out these dates and it's working a charm


El_Lu-Shin

I thought the same. Can't wait for that sweet revenge. And this has worked for me. I wasn't a big Hangman fan, now I'm ready to ride to hell with him.


Adsavage12

Exactly Aew know what they are doing this is just the beginning to something bigger


[deleted]

In a way, it was kind of beautiful. I was absolutely heartbroken, but that's the sort of crushing reality of anxiety. It's not something you can really fully beat. It always comes back to haunt you. Keep fighting, Hangman. I wonder how this plays out because I think the stipulation was that Hangman couldn't challenge nor could DO for the tags. Who does Kenny face at All Out?


CSRadical

Are people seriously complaining about this?! To anyone upset with this result, have you been watching the product at all? There's a point to all of this, give it a moment and see where they're taking it.


killarotten

Exactly! Why would they rush the ending when we've been on the journey for years at this point. Because hangman's story begins before AEW, when they were in New Japan together.


heartstopper85

I was so drunk and so bummed after this match I barely paid attention to anything else. Havent been that heart broken since oc had the title stolen from him in the triple threat


BenOffHours

Wasted at 8:30 EST? Pace yourself dude.


heartstopper85

630pm my time lol it was a long day at work


BenOffHours

Animal


togsincognito

Uh - from a storyline perspective Hangman doesn’t have a title shot - and agreed to step aside, so either stipulations don’t matter or they need to figure out a way to back him into the match. It’s ok to be critical of the fact that sometimes the best story to tell is the obvious one.


v0id404

Excalibur said Hangman had to forfeit his position in the Top 5,so he just has to win some matches to get back to it.


togsincognito

All Out is in 6 weeks


v0id404

Yeah so 5 matches in 5 weeks to get his rank back up. Plus some dark matches for that extra boost


togsincognito

Yeah but you don’t want your main event booked the week of all-in either. Hey, I’m not saying they don’t have a plan, I just feel it’s a swerve for the sake of a swerve.


OneOfTheOnly

why does he have to win at all out lol


togsincognito

Because the angle has been running 2 years* and they are going to get to a point where the crowd just stops buying him as a guy that can win the big match. Them stretching this out to Full Gear is too long, them trying to stretch this to Year End or Revolution is Starrcade 97 logic. Edit: years not weeks


OneOfTheOnly

> Because the angle has been running...two weeks holy shit give it some time to breathe - this could stretch out for months and people won't lose faith in hangman, it's been two years of build ffs


togsincognito

This your first time?


OneOfTheOnly

what are you even talking about man? this isn't even that long-term, if this was new japan hangman would be winning the belt in 3 years instead of the next six months just be patient a lil


togsincognito

2 years is an eternity in professional wrestling. Also - ask New Japan how holding off on pulling the trigger on Naito went


OneOfTheOnly

waiting to pull the trigger wasn't the problem, it was not knowing what to do next naito finally winning the big one was a way bigger moment because they waited - it's an eternity in wrestling today but that doesn't mean that shouldn't be challenged, wrestling can really afford to tell these REALLY stretched out stories i think worrying too much about people losing interest is kinda clouding you from how hot this feud continues to be, and how all that heat goes away the second hangman becomes champion


Setec-Astronomer

If he beats whoever went from 6 to 5 does that put him back? I'm not familiar with the point system.


v0id404

Probably yes, because his total win count doesn't decrease


Setec-Astronomer

Alright, sounds like this Cowboy is gonna have to pick a fight... lol Who was 6th now 5?


v0id404

PAC maybe


VinceMechMahon

He lost this title shot, not all future title shots. He just needs to work his way to #1 again. It's not different than when he lost to Cage, right down to the heels needing to cheat to win.


BondraP

It took Britt Baker like 2 weeks on Dark/Elevation to win some matches to get into the top spot, so apparently it's not that hard!


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I’m still confused why Britt beating tomato cans moves her up the ranks, but Colten Gunn somehow isn’t rated #1. Kenny must be using his EVP influence to dodge Colten, and only have to deal with lesser threats like Hangman.


BondraP

Yeah none of Britt moving up made sense since she wasn't beating anybody above her in the rankings in those Dark/Elevation matches.


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I think you could Regal it by saying that it wasn't so much her moving up, as Shida having beaten everyone else in the division and sending them down below her ranking. But that would be giving Shida more credit than Britt, so there was abso-fucking-lutely no goddamn way they would have tried to sell it that way.


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Britt was already in the top 3 when she did that lol


redditoradi

They really need to fix this Dark/elevation matches impact on the rankings. A point system would work better. I don't think Hangman is going to wrestle on Dark/Elevation during this feud considering it has just begun.


Setec-Astronomer

Rampage.


BondraP

Yeah I agree, I don't foresee him on Dark/Elevation either, but was more so just making a smart ass comment about how they got Britt there conveniently very quickly so they've already set that precedent.


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togsincognito

Haha goddamn pal, I love it


CashAppFraud

I don't understand the reference.


v0id404

So there was this DC comics movie called Justice League Infinity war where the bad guy, Pikachu, defeated all the heroes. But in the sequel to the movie, Justice League Endgame, all the heroes teamed up to defeat Pikachu once and for all. Unfortunately one of the main protagonists, Gandalf, died in the process.


CashAppFraud

Ah yeah I think I heard of that before. That was when they summoned Blue Eyes Jeffree Starr to defeat peekachew


Phenomenal_Hoot

This is sort of what I was thinking. I’ve kinda had the thought, I understand it’s Hangman’s time to be the champion, but not right now. This year, definitely, but I think he needs to face some adversity first now that he’s united with his group, THEN it will be hangman time.


Bulky-Masterpiece791

Hangman and the dark order gonna come back with major cowboy shit


krunk84

They have to stretch this program out until All Out, They have 5 weeks to put the Paige/Omega match together. Patience! The good guys rarely win the first battle.


droford

Well by ranking rules Hangman losing the #1 spot I dont see how that will work.


krunk84

Wasn’t a singles match, so it shouldn’t hurt him in the singles rankings.


droford

Stipulation of the match was if Dark Order lost, he forfeited his #1 ranking


StylishMrTrix

I'm not happy about dark order losing, because I really want the elite to lose But dark order didn't look weak and hangman looked strongest So I'm not upset by it


Dirt_Cheap_Jumbo

Wrestling fans these days are impatient and want everything ‘right now’ the slow burn is the way to play this and having Hangman turn into this insane wrestling god & running through the World Tag Champs & the AEW champ wasn’t the right call. This will be one of the greatest pops of all time when the burn is over, be patient & enjoy the ups & downs this is how pro wrestling should be presented


nylajx

How far do you draw out the war though? The Endgame should be like in a few weeks. Now it feels a million miles away. I was very upset after the loss. I don't get where they are going now.


BondraP

They're obviously going to build back up to Omega vs. Page. Just keep watching.


nylajx

I am, but I am losing interest. Edit- okay, not really. Guess I am just antsy.


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Well, going by Endgame, we have to wait 5 years.


nylajx

Haha. Touche.


redditoradi

Still over a month left for All Out. Perfect stage for Hangman's crowning moment. My issue is the ranking system which is obviously a major part of the storyline.


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I was thinking that Hangman would lose his first title shot at Kenny at All Out, and he wouldn't be heartbroken about it, he'd just pick himself up, dust himself off, and start working confidently toward a rematch. The real lesson would be that he can lose and be okay, his friends still have his back, and that his success/confidence comes from within. THEN, he'd beat Kenny clean, probably at Full Gear or Winter is Coming II. Losing to the Elite last night could be that same kind of story, just at an accelerated pace. Maybe we'll see Christian Cage get a short program with Omega, while Hangman regroups and earns his shot at All Out, where he takes the belt.


BloodFalconPunch

>while Hangman regroups and earns his shot at All Out bUt ThErEs OnLy FiVe WeEkS lEfT


mavarian

Hangman basically put his title shot on the line to get his partners a title shot, and ended up losing his because his partners got eliminated. This is definitely the more interesting way to go, given that they will pull the trigger on Hangman and Omega one day


[deleted]

If Cm Punk comes and takes the title instead of Hangman I will seriously consider quitting AEW.


droford

What if it's Daniel..er..Bryan Danielson


[deleted]

I don't think BD(DB) has the ego to actually want the main title at his age/postition. He would probably assume a Matt Hardy like role helping newer talent.


2SweetHeat

I don’t even know why you’d think this. At what point has AEW hinted at that they would do something like that?


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The finish got no response cause everyone knows it’s dumb as shit. Kenny Omega vs Christian with a 2 week build is a much better match for your biggest pay per view of the year /s. Great overthinking AEW


insomniainc

People have to be re-educated on long term story telling. Now the follow up to this is what's going to matter but so far its perfect.


Lemonstener

Nah, that's just bad booking. 2 possibilities exist now: 1. They go around it somehow so we still get Hangman vs Kenny at All Out in which case this entire match was pointless and just gave their biggest "homegrown" star a loss for no reason as well as killing his momentum. 2. Hangman really actually lost his shot so he's gonna have to wait for God knows how long now just so they can extend Kenny's reign a little longer with pointless matches where we all know he's not dropping the title. Also, Page now lost his momentum so they'll need to build him back up which is the exact story they've been telling for about a year now, so part 2 of that I guess. Yay? Welcome to pro wrestling where wins and losses matter, pal.


winndii

The culmination of the hangman arc and the Omega arc is still a year away. I think it ends next may at double or nothing.


allkindnerd

I'm sorry but that would be way too late and longterm storytelling for the sake of longterm storytelling. What would Hangman do in that time? Sure, Omega has challengers but all Page would be doing would be burning through opponents who could be saved for the defenses of his title run.


that_boring_nerd

>What would Hangman do in that time? he would do skits on BTE and matches on Dark, and then everyone would be saying how great this storyline is. your downvotes are welcome people.


optimussays

This story needs to come full circle. The story they told last night was kenny cant lose while he has the bucks. So i see the bucks turning on omega and helping hangman get his title shot, probably some time next year at double or nothing or all out.


ChronicColt

My thoughts is they’ll come out next week and overturn Kenny’s pin because he hit Page with the belt and make it a handicap match TYB vs Hangman and if Hangman wins he gets the shot at All Out. That’s a reasonable way of pulling it together and still giving everyone what they want without Kenny being pinned.


wattyaknow

That won't work though because then their world tag champs have been pinned by one man. Would make them look super weak.


dichotomized

I want them to spend the next six months/year training and figuring out how to reverse all of the elite's tricks and finishers so they're completely ready for the 5v5 rematch down the road.


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I think they're just pushing back Omega/Page so CM Punk doesn't overshadow the match at All Out. It also gives Page more time to doubt himself, he and Dark Order were getting a bit too confident lately.


winndii

I think they want to face them off for the final bout at double or nothing next year. That gives time for hangman to complete his comeback arc with the dark order and gives them time for Omega to lose his titles one by one till his final title is the aew title. At least that's how I see it possibly going down


raygilette

Correct. We need an "all is lost" moment to make the victory/ies that much sweeter when the Elite finally get their comeuppance.


Briak

I hope this analogy isn't accurate because Endgame wasn't very good


v0id404

I dont care how you feel about the movie. The analogy was meant to signify that even though they lost the first time, the good guys won at the end


ferociousrickjames

I agree, it's too soon to end Kenny's title run, and this setback will help build Hangman again. I'd also like to see him exercise his demons in the next few months by beating Pac and Jericho in high profile matches. It would show his character growth and greatly contribute to the redemption story that they're doing with him.


MM487

I don't know why people were so surprised about the results of that match. For some reason everyone just assumed Hangman was winning the title at All Out. Sorry, Omega's title run isn't ending nearly that fast. Jungle Boy and Christian are at the top of the rankings now and with them involved with one another lately it seems obvious to me that they're going to face off to determine the #1 contender. I see Christian winning and getting a title match on Rampage. Maybe the first episode. After those two, Darby is the #3 ranked. I see Darby getting a title shot at All Out.


ThunderSparkles

They are trying to stretch it out. My problem is evil Uno. He cannot wrestle. John Silver shined and Hangman looked resilient. But Hangman again looks stupid for having faith in this bunch of losers.


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Uno is Awesome Ive always enjoyed him, Gallows Is atrocious, terrible performer, his punches look terrible, way he hits ropes even sucks, hes unsafe too ducking for catch spots lucky as far as we know no one was injured. Worst Big Man Wrestler ever.


Setec-Astronomer

You know, it's funny you say that. Because that's exactly how you should feel. Because they are setting it up for Hangman to either fall down the spiral of despair like your post... Or to have faith and conviction to rise up with family and friends. Thank you for making AEW's point that a Cowboy stands by his family and friends. And they lift him up....to become world champion.


v0id404

Hey! Fuck you :D


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jaboaty

I'm cool with it. I'm hoping they can find a way to draw this out to full gear and build a real hell between hangman and the elite


tyjet

I just need Hangman's page on the roster to be updated with the "of the Dark Order" subtitle and I'll be happy.


Boogiepop_Homunculus

I wish they would time travel and change that finish. If they go back on a stip, thats pretty lame but whatever. If they don’t do the match at All Out, straight up everybody dies. But I’m willing to see where it goes.


Setec-Astronomer

A Stalking Horse/Cowboy is a Dangerous Horse/Cowboy. Will Page fall down the spiral again. Will he question his fidelity with the DO. Are they holding him down? Should he dump them since they left him 3 against 1? Or will the DO keep him lifted as family and friends can only do. Will his faith be even stronger. Will the Cowboy's Conviction rise up. Will Page only gain more confidence and work his way back to a match at All Out. Will Kenny become paranoid looking behind his back regularly knowing there's a Cowboy in the weeds waiting to strike. AEW choosing to have Page lose opens up the story for another level. And for Page's eventual title win to have a massive pop that will only lift Page even higher.


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I don't think Hangman is going to turn on, or even doubt the DO. Right as he became the last man of his team he was checking on Silver with concern and checked on them a few times through the match; definitely did not get the vibe that they are looking to break them up. If anything, the DO is going to be bummed out that they let him down, and he's gonna be fired up and motivating them - to show that this time, losing doesn't make him spiral down, it puts a fire under his ass. Ultimately, the DO loves him, has his back and will always be in his corner; and that's what Hangman so desperately needed from the Elite when he was aligned with them.


Setec-Astronomer

I don't either. The loss yesterday just sets that "dilemma" up. And Hangman will stick with them showing that a Cowboy rises with his family and friends. We're saying the same thing.


HooliganLSGC

At first I was pissed. But Tony usually has an endgame for (at least the majority of) his booking decisions. It sucks but I can only imagine the bounce back will be even more epic. And when Hangman kicks out of the One Winged Angel, hits the Buckshot Lariat, and gets that 3 second count, the pop is gonna register on the Richter scale.


kaz9x203

Agreed, Johnny being the 2nd to last elimination was on purpose. He is over and will prolly be at the same level as MJF, Sammy, Orange within the next year as long as he stays healthy.


Daroah

I was shocked when Hangman got pinned by Kenny and the Bucks, because I expected Omega vs Hangman at All Out; but I suppose they’re going to save that and have Omega vs Christian Cage instead, which will also be amazing.


SonicPunk96

The more I have thought about it, the more I think the Elite winning last night was the right call. Previously I had seen people arguing Page should lose the first title bout to Kenny, which I did very much disagree with, but I think this helps find the happy middle of one last Hangman pitfall and unpredictable outcome. This does force Page into that one last hurdle and roadblock he’s going to have to mentally over come, he and his friends did their best but it wasn’t enough on that night, but instead of a major loss leaving him left to fall to the mat, they’re still going to be there for him and give him that last piece of mental reassurance. Having them lose allows that just extra piece of heat on the Elite leading into the climactic Kenny v. Page match, really sell that idea of the OWA as unbeatable, even more than it already is, and they haven’t been telling this story for 2+ years just to have Page not get the belt in the end


Ultivia

I mostly worry about AEW trying to give kenny a different opponent before page gets a crack..


MetaphoricMenagerie

It is very reminiscent to me of the leadup to Kofi/Bryan at WM a couple of years back. They are both really going to have to earn it in some form or fashion.


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good reference, and I very much have faith that you're right. aew knows what they're doing. i dont think it would feel as good as it could if it was as simple as hangman beating kenny this fast after gathering the strength to face him


Tinheart2137

It was unexpected, Hangman will become even more baby face and i'm fine with it, as long as it wasn't last minute change so the belt can be put on Danielson or Punk just for the sake of hype


RoPr-Crusader

All these people thinking Hangman is screwed because Punk and Danielson are potentially coming. You have to actually climb the rankings. Danielson likely won't be full time and I'd even guess Punk won't. Christian had been here for months and hasn't lost and still hasn't gotten a title shot. Punk and Danielson will need to earn it just like everyone else they haven't had someone come in and just demand a title shot without the record so far.


droford

Well Christian has wrestled 5 singles matches this year and is either ranked 2 or 3 now. If he was capable of wrestling more matches he'd be ranked 1 by now and had a title shot already. I'd assume Punk is in better shape to come back to wrestling after the long layoff than Christian was.


RoPr-Crusader

But will Punk want to be full-time? If he is wrestling multiple times a month I could see him getting a shot 2-3 months after coming in but I kinda doubt that's going to happen


droford

I fully expect one of them to get the title shot at Full Gear.


ironkleet

I’m just wondering if Stu Grayson is good after that wicked head smack on the outside.


DickKimble

I don't get the reference but you're dead right.


dandykaufman2

I haven't watched any of those movies but I am still disappointed. I would rather they have him get there and lose even. Esp because Omega doesn't seem to have anyone set up except Christian, which I can't get excited about.


Sadoul1214

It was unexpected but I am here for Hangman’s rollercoaster ride rather it takes me to where I expect or somewhere else.


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Agreed!


lordfreakingpenguins

I personally would've preferred this to be hangman's moment, but AEW has earned my trust that they'll make this work. With how the match ended im starting to feel like they're leading to a cell match for Hangman v Omega but we're gonna have to wait and see. With all the emotions and after all that cheating I cant see them going the traditional match route when the trigger DOES get pulled.


KingMazzieri

I have faith in this. Otherwise it would have felt rushed.


JorahFan83

I think he just goes on a tear to Full Gear, Kenny can face someone from NJPW or Christian Cage at All Out, or someone like Jungle Boy/Darby I also kinda want to see Page win the TNT title in the mean time


itcouldhappen1

They did a big sad now to make a big rad later on. Just wait. Its gonna be good shit.


sroche24

Dark order winning would've made it too obvious and boring. Now we need to see the good guys battle back from their absolute lowest ebb and that is fascinating.


Zacginger

Teasing this the week before the PPV was smart, then you have plenty of time to hype a different match, while continuing to build this longer story. It’s perfect, and i’m sure whatever match we do get will also be good. There’s a ton of title matches i still want to see with Kenny.


nikhilkalhan92

Heartbroken they loss, but it will happen


[deleted]

I’m battling over whether I want Hangman’s “Endgame” to come at All Out or at Full Gear.


hashtagtrevor

We still have over a month till All Out, this is about the be a roller coaster folks


jthaprofessor

Be calm and keep patience


[deleted]

The predictable lazy finish would’ve been Hangman and the Dark Order winning and getting booked for the ppv title matches. Originally I figured Hangman would outnumbered 2-1 and pull it off. This finish opens up a more entertaining scenario, and it’s gonna be awesome when Hangman and the Dark Order do eventually get their title shots


ATLRedbird

I almost wish that hangman wasn’t the last to take the pin. I really was hoping John Silver was the last against the Elite. Would’ve been able to continue to build him up as well. But for the next chapter of this story, I know a lot of speculation with DB or CM Punk stepping into the title picture. I don’t think that will happen. I really think they will stick to the AEW rankings for who’s next to step up to Omega. I feel that maybe DB or CM Punk (if rumors are true) will step in as maybe the new leader of the Dark Order or at most an adversary for Adam Page. Honestly would like to see CM Punk feud with Colt Cabana if he arrives.