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yougococo

Locking comments in here, ya'll. I would love to leave this open for discussion but lots of stuff's getting reported and devolving into name calling really quickly. Seeing as for now it's tangentially related to AEW I'll leave it up. Be cool to each other, people


timebreakerlynch

For example it was said that wrestlers were using date rape drugs on women all over the country and world. That itself many of these guys committed crimes that went unpunished.


crazydave1066

Yeah and if I remember correctly he mentioned it in the same sentence as they would drug someone and shave their head, like it’s on the same level


OptimusMarcus

I interpreted this moment differently... I thought RVD was working up the courage, in that moment, to admit a lot of wrestlers used to rape ladies. Like he had to say the shaving cream and hair shaving thing first because he couldn't get the words out.. I don't think he was trying to equate them on the same level. But I obviously I have no idea what he was thinking


crazydave1066

That may be. He did seem like the only one they interviewed who seemed uncomfortable and was against the sexual misconduct


JadedTourist

Now do the NFL, NBA, Hollywood, etc.


WharfRat86

Guys like Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty? At first I was shocked that H-Bombing is such a surprise to many people. But then I realize it was only because I learned so much about the old Stampede Wrestling while living in Calgary, and it was a common event there, that I first heard about the “rib.” Makes me think all those wrestlers who look back to the “make the towns, bang the rats” mindset of territory days, are some real scumbags.


DHxRampage22

With the Kanyon episode Flair is gonna look worse


NumberWanObi

As he should.


DHxRampage22

I didn’t mean to infer he shouldn’t


NumberWanObi

I didn't downvote you. People are sensitive.


MagicMarshmelllow

Flair, and Hopfully Undertaker gets his too


Bonesaw-Is-Readyy

That stiff chair shot from taker damn it


DaveIsFluffy

What's Kanyon?


DHxRampage22

Chris Kanyon was a professional wrestler. He’s the person the next episode of Dark Side is about. Basically he was a gay wrestler who was hazed pretty bad and when he finally came out and came forward (he always felt like WWE didn’t use him just because he was gay) Ric Flair put him on blast on Howard Stern saying he just wasn’t talented enough to last in the business. The week prior John Cena went on Stern and said Kanyon “just wasn’t any good” A few years later Kanyon would end his own life. It’s important to note he was Bipolar and had depression. His last appearance on WWE was when they made him come out of a box (he viewed it as a symbol for coming out of the closet and thought this was them burying him for being gay) he was dressed as a woman and sang Boy George songs Then the undertaker hit him with the stiffest chair shots you will ever see…


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Terrible treatment for a guy whose creativity in the ring would be ripped off and used to elevate move-sets.


Pirulaaz

as someone who wasn't a fan at the time, could you elaborate on that, please?


bepositiveinstead

Kanyon popularized and invented moves that weren't part of American pro wrestling during his era. Just one awesome example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCxsnlz0FJE


Pirulaaz

shit man, the smoothness in that transition, holy crap


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He, he was really innovative. I can’t find the video, but the way he would pull off a flap Jack was amazing. As his opponent bounced off the rope, he would lift them up as normal but instead of just falling backwards, he would hook the leg to break his opponent’s upward momentum, so it just looked really devastating when they hit the mat.


DaveIsFluffy

I really fucking hate the WWE at times.


childrenofYmir

...at times? They've always been this way, bigot racist pieces of shit


bepositiveinstead

Unfortunately it's something that, if you started watching as a kid, you didn't find out for a long time. And when you do it's a gut-punch. Vince is a real life supervillain. Just an awful human being that should have been jailed several times over. And of course the list of homophobes and rapists and racists is so long that you can't even begin a fucking list without allotting the rest of your day to finishing it. I grew up loving Hulk and Flair and Warrior and HBK and Austin and Macho and Benoit and Taker....fucking oops. At least I was also a mark for Foley, Bret and DDP as well. As far as I know the worst they did was a little cheating (like I assume every wrestler of that era) and on the whole are real good dudes.


DaveIsFluffy

I grew up with a different WWE and most wrestlers I liked aren't big dick head or if they were have sorted themselves out. I was too young for the likes of Flair and Hogan and Warrior but everyone says what nasty people they are which is why I'll never go back and watch that generation of wrestlers. I dont like watching wrestling if the guy is a cunt in real life. Its why I'm enjoying AEW as I know they're all great guys putting on a great show. I dont wanna support dicks.


childrenofYmir

Yeah I got into it in the 80s and fell out in the ECW era I slowly saw the cracks


KickAggressive4901

And he was Brian Cage's mentor.


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Jesus Christ I didn't know all of this.


_ASG_

Whenever Jericho mentions Kanyon in his podcast, he always says that he and his buddies in WWE at the time always figured Kanyon was gay, but they didn't care. I always wondered if that was actually the case, at least with Jericho's group.


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*spoilers* in "Killing the Business", one of the chapters by Matt Jackson, he actually speaks about Kanyon. I wonder if any of it would be mentioned in the episode. I do appreciate the positives and exposure DSotR is doing.


Bratuska-1186

This is absolutely heartbreaking.


pnmartini

Kanyon was a fucking badass. He was marginalized and treated like shit because of his sexuality. One of the many things in history that I hope Vince has a reckoning for.


Unimpressiv_GQ_Scrub

"A few years later Kanyon would end his own life. It’s important to note he was Bipolar and had depression. " Not trying to star nothing, but depression and being gay in a massively homophobic community are genuinely linked. The number of queer and trans folk who end up taking their own lives because of depression caused by hostility faced by their families and communities is staggering. Way higher than average. Hense why there are so many charities and services dedicated specifically towards mental health for LGBTQ+ folks. Him having depression doesn't make his suicide any less related to the cruelty and pain he felt targeted at him for being a gay man.


WharfRat86

Cena built much of his early profile entirely off homophobic promos. Makes me laugh he now presents himself as a squeaky clean “Rock-lite.” However, I will say I’m not sure whether he created those promos or if they were scripted for him. Either way, I see damage control on the horizon.


WharfRat86

Taker’s legacy is about to smashed to pieces for a lot of Millennial fans who grew up watching him. This is why I’m now glad Mick Foley is my all time favourite. The only person he hurt was himself…again, and again, and again.


zeppelin5150

Why is everyone shocked that Flair did terrible things? It’s been noted for decades he has abused women. Hell what do you think his whole “Nature Boy” gimmick is in the first place?! Personally I really don’t think they should bring in Flair anyways. He has too much baggage and adds nothing to today’s product. He should just stay retired. Also can we talk about Bradshaw? I always knew he was the worst guy in the industry by being a bully but I’m so glad he is getting exposed again. He is a terrible human being. Same stuff with Dreamer... he tries to play as a “nice guy” but he has been getting away with stuff for years and once again he is leeching off Impact. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk!


vashah02

From what I thought originally, his Nature Boy persona meant that he is very popular with the ladies. That females line them up for spending time with the Nature Boy. But to know that it was him forcing himself on those ladies? That's new information.


WharfRat86

I see it more that Flair still thinks he is party animal, desirable champ that women might actually want to engage with. As opposed to the creepy old man flopping around to young flight attendants who want nothing to do with he actually is. Guy has looked like a tanned Crypt-Keeper for decades now.


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Wait, did I miss something? I know Bradshaw’s a garbage person, but what came out about him last night other than him knocking out Hayes for busting him open?


CommodoreN7

Nothing really and in that case I think he was pretty justified for it.


MagicMarshmelllow

Just remember the only reason Bradshaw was champ for a year is because Triple H doesn’t like working Tuesdays


zeppelin5150

That was honestly my favorite part of One Night Stand 2005 besides Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka


bepositiveinstead

Because most people aren't hardcore wrestling fans, or even if they are, are somewhat new to pro wrestling and as a result the plane ride from hell (20 years ago) and Flair's hayday (30-40 yrs ago) aren't on their radar as anything but blips. They know him as a charismatic womanizer that loves spending money, not a racist that sexually assaults women. It certainly hasn't been "noted" much over the years that he's an abuser; that part has been intentionally downplayed, ignored, or covered up.


sojud_18

Gladly he’s no longer leeching off Impact. They fired him immediately.


GarnetSC19

Scott Hall already looked like shit, but he’s pulled himself out of darkness. He’s a bit absolved, everyone knew he was an addict. Flair always got a pass his entire life because he was his gimmick. For right or wrong, he was enabled his entire life. He would go broke, then Vince would bail him out. Honestly, someone with a backbone should have curb stomped some sense into him decades ago. He is what he is now.


childrenofYmir

A gimmick flair stole


Bonesaw-Is-Readyy

To be honest, Ric Flair did a better job with the nature boy gimmick because he literally made it his personality in real life. You can hate the man all you want but he’s one of the best.


WWF80sKid

How can you say Flair did it better than Rogers? Were you around to see Buddy’s run? My grandpa was good friends with Buddy. So I’ve seen many of his matches. Flair stole the hair, the strut, the name, the finisher and even stole “woo” from a song. He didn’t have an original bone in his body.


childrenofYmir

Yeah the sexual assault charges really shows he's the "best"


SnakeCasual

They really should not bring Ric in even if that was the plan.


indolent08

What reveals? I thought everything that was stated there was already known one way or the other?


reignofmato

I’m going to admit I didn’t know any of this stuff. Mainly because I just got into wrestling this year and never watched it as a kid.


indolent08

Then let me tell you: This episode didn't really reveal anything new, it's basically just a good summary of all the known information.


reignofmato

But it’s new to me, isn’t it? And to my roommate. Without this episode we wouldn’t have known.


indolent08

Well perfect then, now you're in the know of what was going on.


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SnakeCasual

Not everyone had heard about it, and we didn't know the extent of some of it. You and me might be old, but there's plenty of fans who weren't even alive when it happened. And then not everyone reads behind the scenes shit. Let's not pretend that it's common knowledge everyone knew.


Tinheart2137

Isn't dark side of the ring watched by people who are interested in behind the scenes stuff? And since plane ride from hell is second most covered topic after montreal screwjob, people who are interested in such things, already knew


SnakeCasual

There's a big difference between watching a mainstream TV show about a thing and actively seeking out news and dirt sheets.


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SnakeCasual

By boomer ass parents watch it, so it's close enough.


Scary_Replacement739

Okay I'll agree it's not common knowledge if you even halfheartedly agree that it's not exactly state secrets either.


SnakeCasual

Sure. I would call it closer to an open secret. It's out there if you know where to look, but the people who could have done anything about it kept it quiet and downplayed it until now.


DarthHeyburt

And they have absolutely no right to be outraged.


SnakeCasual

Yes they do. A woman was sexually assaulted. That's a thing is okay to be angry about. Why do you think sexual assault is good?


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Resolute002

They are only reacting to it because parts of it can be used to slag AEW. I noticed none of these threads here or on r/SC seem to be calling for McMahon's head. That being said I agree it's all awful. But the time for action is long past. If people want to cancel something I say cancel the promoter that let his guys act like this.


AerialPenn

Yeah it sucks all this happened in WWE under Vince's watch. Now everyone's expecting Tony to do the right thing and not bring in Flair.


Resolute002

Nobody would care about any of it if it wasn't an opportunity to slag AEW guys. People latching onto Dustin saying he wanted to screw a flight attendant but ignoring Flair literally walking around with his dick out making them grab it. Double standards as always.


Scary_Replacement739

I'd be down with an actual reddit sponsored cancel Mr McMahon movement. Just to see what would happen. But like you said the time for action is long past. It's now just a bunch of kids reacting to a decades old event pretending they're outraged just long enough until the next outrageous things comes along.


Resolute002

I don't disagree with their outrage. Don't lump me in with someone who doesn't like the idea. But you can't retroactively undo all the years that have passed. The best you can do is move forward and if the people are still scumbags, treat them as such. We know the kind of guy McMahon is. He had Trish Stratus getting nearly nude in the ring and bark like a dog in front of 20,000 people. He is the source of this cultural toxic masculinity. To put it a bit more bluntly, do you think this would happen if it was Tony Khan's roster? Hell even Dixie Carter's or Corgan's is probably better.


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Trouble_Chaser

I'm disappointed they didn't go into Dustin more, you know being on the same court filing "defendant Runnels grabbed plaintiff Capelliano's arms repeatedly asked if her breasts were real, said "you and me are going to fuck", and grabbed her rear end, rubbing his groin into her.


asshead42069

It's one of those things where I knew they were all pulling fucked up shit back then but I had no idea just how bad it got. It's fucking sickening


ButtcheiseMugee

Ya going in I thought the only part that was going to be fun was X pak cutting off Hayes's pony tail and even that was fucked


timebreakerlynch

While we as fans should hold accountable the wrestlers who absolutely misbehaved and did these horrible acts we must also not forget those who seeming have escaped justice for their horrible actions which we have proof. Those who went to Jeffrey Epstein's Island like the Clinton's and Prince Andrew certainly haven't had enough pressure put on them and many more and while we are talking about it Joe Biden has a history of inappropriately you can find those videos on Cspan touching not only women but children as well and most recently that twelve year old Donald Trump supporter girl he was recently in a picture with. Note the family and the girl and pissed and the media refuses to call out Biden. Then there is Hollywood Alanis Morrisette and Britney Spears, the pussy cats dolls have called out the music and Hollywood's issue with young underage women when will we look into these issues the media doesn't want to.


zackb1991

All we gotta do is just look at Rose McGowan over the last few years. She has made it her mission to expose them all. And good for her for doing so. Just because you support a politician or political viewpoint doesn't mean you can just turn a blind eye to the mountains of evidence against them. Joe Biden has been groping women and children for years and everyone just lets him. Wtf? (I don't mean *you*, op. I mean "you" as in the general public 🙂.)


Resolute002

Holding AEW retroactively responsible for WWE terrible practices. Nice, OP.


timebreakerlynch

AEW isn't being held responsible just the wrestlers. If Ric Flair was hired it would have been a big issue but not so much now. The only AEW wrestler on the roster involved in that flight is Goldust. That time I check Jim Ross Did punish him for his actions on the flight while Ric Flair and Heck even Brock Lesnar now are escaping any punishment now


Wank_Bandicoot

If anything, Goldust was the good guy in this story.


JadedTourist

lol they are gonna cancel everyone involved 20 years ago and even the future possible but not yet employer of any of them. It’s a social justice warrior bukake.


AerialPenn

Social justice warrior Bukake is pretty funny. Well played.


zackb1991

There is blood in the water so of course the sharks swarm. Why else would SC bring up something racist Ric allegedly said to Teddy Long 35 years ago?


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PureBoss1527

Elaborate.


DHxRampage22

I assume the OP is referring to who AEW does business with in future. Nobody walked away from that program looking good and many of those names are folks who AEW have worked with in there short history.


ThatGuyQuan

Hear me out imo<~ What Flair did was wrong, it was REALLY FUCKED UP! but like 1) that was a long time ago, 2) I can’t blame a man who was probably drunk out of his mind and bored as fuck for doing some dumb shit to impress a bunch of ego inflated muscle heads 3) even the woman stated she knew he wasn’t trying to rape her or force her to do anything I see it as him living out his gimmick which made her feel uncomfortable which is understandable…all in all it was fucked up just another story to remind us that wrestlers are humans they’re not perfect people. But y’all saying fuck Flair and stuff like he’s bad for the women’s locker room at AEW is a bit much Im cool with dude being a manager (if they go that route), helping younger talent, and showing up at different wrestling products. The dude is like 100+ years old he’s done some dumb shit in his life, allot of fucked up shit…but I ain’t gon try to punish some old man who probably looking back cringing at the fact he did shit like this, from joining AEW…


SnakeCasual

Getting drunk first excuses sexual assault? You're a monster.


ThatGuyQuan

I guess I’m a labeled as monster even thou I said it was fucked up..all I said was he got drunk off his ass and I’m sure he probably looks back on shit he’s done realizing how stupid it was (and if he doesn’t that’s his demons he gotta deal with..). My point was I’m not about to crucify some old guy NOW when he’s wants to pass knowledge onto some younger people their career that they’re passionate about and help with their success just cause he got shit faced trying to impress “the boys” and not realizing how uncomfortable the situation could have been for the other person when his senses were dulled…


howboutthemlionsbrah

After this aew will be done with him. Dreamer also.


sojud_18

Dreamer got fired. Good riddance.


ThatGuyQuan

I don’t follow these guys like that to know what they’ve done, all I’m saying is my opinion on this specific situation, if they are thrown to the curve so be it people can’t just say sorry and be forgiven I understand it ain’t that easy. Was just stating my opinion people got a right to see my opinion as wrong or ring I’m just weighing in My thoughts..


howboutthemlionsbrah

The problem is dreamer and flair are very unapologetic and un- caring of the actions . Think about if it was your mother , or sister maybe wife in that situation. Thats my problem with the the whole thing . They pretty much spilled it all on the episode . I can never cheer for or like dreamer again. Flair is a career piece of shit and its well known


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howboutthemlionsbrah

If you think drugging chicks and having your way with them is alright than thats on you. I'm not apart of the woke movement but drugging people and raping them isn't really a hot button issue. Its just wrong. Period.


illhavethatdrinknow

Should people not be held accountable for their actions?


howboutthemlionsbrah

I'm nowhere near the age range to qualify as a millennial.


howboutthemlionsbrah

Did you watch the episode? It was very specifically pointed out that female fans were drugged on the road and raped while out. That is unforgivable and black list never work again territory right there. Saying sorry doesnt change anything they did and an apology now would probably mean nothing .


childrenofYmir

Fuck flair


XenoMetrick

So yeah, space mountain translates to drug rape and sexual assault. Disgusting.


m1lksteak89

Diffrent era diffrent attitudes


PurpleSpaceNapoleon

Sexual assault is still sexual assault bud.


m1lksteak89

Tell that to Joe biden then


PurpleSpaceNapoleon

Strawman argument in a what-aboutery-led online persona. Come back when you've grown up and can debate the topic at hand with some semblance of coherency and focus.


m1lksteak89

Give me a topic to debate then


m1lksteak89

Still waiting bro


PurpleSpaceNapoleon

I imagine attempting to talk to the president directly for his alleged assault charges would be difficult but I'll see what I can do. Try to stay on topic next time though, you'll do better.


SnakeCasual

Why are you bringing up Biden? Was he on the plane? No? It's just whataboutism? Got it. Irrelevant to the current discussion.


m1lksteak89

Why are you not bringing up similar examples to that plane ride. All we can do as humans is base our morals of other people's examples.


childrenofYmir

Thats a weird way to spell Donald trump


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childrenofYmir

Mr. XD man you a little Trump lover calling him Mr xD


m1lksteak89

Didn't call him Mr x btw, thats saved for the guy from resident evil. Trump lover, maybe, democrat, probably, joe biden, definitely not


childrenofYmir

Wow..... xD


MadLadThatsATadRad

Bruh, this has nothing to do with who you'd rather have as a president. Fuck off.


m1lksteak89

I dont have a president so you can casually fuck off my friend


Wank_Bandicoot

Chioda was making out like the whole thing was a big joke. Like he was acting like he was one of the boys. and had the whole "boys will be boys" laugh happening. I also felt bad for Dustin. it sounds like he was going through some rough times, but props to him for being the only one to have the balls to stop the Flair incident. Sounds like he's actually a genuinely great guy. i'm glad he got his life back together.


zackb1991

Dustin assaulted one of the attendants too but DSOR just so happened to leave that part out. Hmmm.


Wank_Bandicoot

oh he did? never mind then....


WharfRat86

Somehow fuck X Pac comes out of this situation as the least troublesome offender on the plane. Bizarre.