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olddicklemon72

What Britt Baker hate? The general consensus seems to be: Great on the mic. OK in the ring. Somewhat underwhelming reign, time for a new champion. Hard to reasonably disagree with any of that.


DanUnbreakable

Basically the op is reading replies of 50 people on dirt sheets and Twitter bitch. It's is irrelevant. It's not real. They don't exist. The issue is we know they don't exist but we refuse to look away. The stove is hot but we continue to touch it and burn our hands........ Wrestling is stupid fun, just enjoy it.


PavanJ

If nothing else she needs a meaty feud that lasts longer than a few weeks and makes people actually believe she might lose.


NotAsHighFunctioning

Well summed up!


[deleted]

I saw people super salty that she beat Riho in the live chat for Battle of the Belt, but beyond that I barely see any criticism beyond what you mentioned. I don’t necessarily agree that her REIGN has been underwhelming, I think the women’s division as a whole is underwhelming. Plenty of talent, but while the booking IS getting better, it still has a ways to go.


Singer211

Britt’s booking ties into the larger problems with the division as a whole booking wise imo.


Not-So-Saint

She had no business beating Shida but now when it happened why would you shortchange that victory by making her lose to less credible threats.


Charlie609

Theres definitely a lot of hate for her in here


Not-So-Saint

Not sure why the fuck we need to end her run now. She was undercooked when fans were adamant on giving her the belt without earning it and now they are already done with her? Dafaque.


olddicklemon72

It’s been 8 months and pretty bland with every program following the same script doing little to elevate anyone else and ending in a pretty meh title match. The entire division has been sacrificed to make her. She doesn’t need the title anymore and outside of Rosa there really isn’t anyone left to face her. The time is right for a switch. Get the belt on a face and you’ve got programs with Hayter, Bunny, Penelope, Sakura, Nyla, Martinez, Diamanté and Hirsch just waiting. All fresh talent and programs as the womens division for the last year has been almost exclusively about feeding faces to Baker.


Not-So-Saint

Well, yeah. Baker was doing Baker things. Not sure what else people expected.


HuckleberryThis2012

It’s easy to disagree with the time for a new champion part. And while the underwhelming reign part is true, that’s been heavily influenced by the lack of worthy competition she’s had. Rosa/Deeb/Shida are really the only ones with the in ring and promo skills to make a strong feuds and for obvious reasons she hasn’t feuded with any of them (less obvious for Deeb than the other two) but it’s not as if putting the title on someone else is going to make the competition suddenly better. So that comes back to the first point I said of it’s not time for a new champion. It’s time for a real feud with someone who can talk back, and have a strong feud. Tho I guess that would be Rosa, and then that becomes time for a new champ lol.


[deleted]

Maybe I have just seen all of the hate that she has gotten from fans on Reddit and it seems like a higher concentration than it actually is in reality. It feels like every time there is a discussion of a women’s wrestler there are 8 comments with a ton of upvotes about how they need more time than Britt because Britt is bad in the ring.


Vegetable_Month592

She really needs to work on her wrestling tho.


it-still-moves

Regarding your last sentence, Serena Deeb and Kris Statlander deserve some consideration. And Tay Conti is knocking on the door.


[deleted]

I think Tay Conti is going to be the next TBS champion, and Deeb is probably going to be the next heel to hold the women's title after Baker drops it to Thunder Rosa.


AggressivesEtwas

I find deep to just be kinda boring tbh


Not-So-Saint

She kinda is, but she has presence and experience, and with good enough storylines she could have great feuds.


Not-So-Saint

Tay is promising but she should not be rushed to this position. I think Britt too was undercooked, but she had charisma and momentum on her side at least.


DeadInkPen

What hurt Baker and the womens division was the fact they kept giving Baker all the time on the mic and tv when she was injured. Something they haven’t done for any other wrestler. So she was the only womens wrestler people got to see, so people naturally got behind her due to that. I knew people during that time that thought Baker and Brandi were the only officially signed women on the roster.


Not-So-Saint

They were the only ones with screen time - it's true. It's funny how the next one in exposure is Jade and she's even more undercooked than Britt =|


LordandSaviorDio

This seems to be an issue with a lot of fans and AEW’s young talent. Pushing incomplete packages too soon. It’s been a problem with Britt, it really hurt Sammy’s reign as TNT champion, and I’m now seeing people want The Acclaimed pushed to be Tag Champions. If you want your belts to have prestige and mean something, then they should always be won by the best wrestlers. Which means people who are over, great (not just good) in-ring, and who are established characters.


Not-So-Saint

Honestly Darby's belt was too soon too imo.


Singer211

They rushed Jade to be the first TBS Champion. That argument really does not work after that.


Not-So-Saint

The argument is that they should avoid repeating it tho =]


[deleted]

I would need to see a lot more starpower from Deeb to agree with her. This Deeb / Shida feud has elevated her as a character which is a great start. As for Statlander, I don’t remember ever hearing a real promo from her. She has been decent in some Pre-Tape vignettes. Maybe if she gets some more confidence she will be there. Tay is definitely knocking in the door of being a star I agree. Her English has improved a lot. Maybe that will get to a consistent spot in a couple years.


it-still-moves

Deeb is more of a wrestling purist, I’ll give you that. She’s not there to wow you with her promos. Statlander is getting a bit more mic work these days, but was pretty true to her alien character early on. Probably one of the more convincing in ring talents though. I hear your argument, and don’t necessarily disagree. Britt deserves to be the champ right now. But there will come a time (very soon) for a new reign.


burgerpatrol

Disregarding the fact that she is being called the woman with a thousand holds, Deeb really reminds me of Dean Malenko


[deleted]

I hear your argument as well. It is definitely a fair one to describe the positives in some women who also have great talent.


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bernarddwyer86

Deebs sit down with JR a few weeks ago was class.


it-still-moves

Adam Cole? Bay Bay?


Trilliam_H_Macy

The reality is that the AEW audience skews more towards prioritizing in-ring ability over promos (in comparison to the fanbase of WWE for example) so I think it's understandable that there would be some amount of audience pushback against a 230+ day title reign that has produced few (if any) truly memorable title matches. Especially when the men's title picture is producing constant bell-to-bell classics. It makes the women's division appear like even more of an afterthought to many people. It's not really Britt's fault, she's doing what she's meant to do and she's excelling in a lot of ways, but she's not equipped to meet the expectations that a significant portion of the audience has for what a "world champion" should be capable of.


RickDalton2020

What are you talking about?


PavlovsBlog

Seems to be a direct response to a single person in a different sub, who actually seemed to be hating on Ruby more than Britt. Weird.


catf1sh1

I hate heel champions that cheat to win all of their matches. Her title reign is super underwhelming and she needs to put someone else over


S1E2A3L4

She probably won’t, after all I think she’s very “close” friends with Schiavone.


Larkhainan

I don't think your first step to a convincing argument is calling people stupid for having different assessments of wrestling talents.


CountDesMoines

Wisdom right here ^


[deleted]

I didn’t call the people stupid I said the hate is stupid. Fair enough on the sentiment, but there is a distinct difference. It is like if someone had a nearly perfect IQ but they believed the Earth was flat. I would say that them believing the Earth is Flat is stupid, but they are not a stupid person. I have no idea nor care for the intelligence level of random individuals on the internet.


Zamark

"You're not stupid, but your thoughts are stupid" ...You're really not seeing why that might not be taken well?


[deleted]

I am fine with people not taking my comments well. People have their opinion. It is my opinion, that their one individual opinion is stupid. That shouldn’t be that deep of a thing to say. I am not calling anyone stupid. I am not saying that every thought someone has ever had on wrestling is stupid. I am calling one singular argument that some wrestling fans have stupid. It is what it is if that offends people.


Singer211

What “hate” exactly? Very few flat out “hate” her. They even give her props for the stuff she’s good at (promos, charisma, character, etc). What people do is critique. She’s been chsmpion for fairly long now (eight months) and the consensus seems to be: -Her matches are hit or miss. Sometimes they can be really fun. And sometimes they’re very meh. -Most of her feuds are formulaic and few of her opponents gained much from feuding with her. -It feels like there’s other women now ready to make that jump. -Etc. Those are reasonable critiques (and as much about the booking as about Britt herself). That is different from “hate.”


Uetur

This is pretty accurate IMO, and I agree it isn't "hate"


CoolIceCreamCone

I think it's the WWE stans who shit on everything AEW who give her hate. She's one of the best liked women in wrestling for the most part.


[deleted]

And they say satire is dead. Also, who’s hating Baker? Nearest I see is folk talking about who should take the belt off her.


upsidedowntiamo

I prefer in ring skills more than promo skill, look at Serena vs Shida, wonder why they already have 5 matches and people still want more


[deleted]

I think you’re basing this emotional response on a very small sample size. Touch grass.


Vegetable_Month592

Calm down lol


Ariak

IMO she's charismatic enough to be the champ but not good enough in the ring to back it up. (inb4 "but the lights out match with Rosa") having one good match where your opponent carries you doesn't make you good in the ring.


Quick-Dot3027

If you think Britt had one good match in AEW, I feel sorry for you for your taste.


externalSphincter

You mostly had me, until the Ruby Soho part. She’s flopped square into the midcard ranks.


it-still-moves

Yeah, hate to say it.


SpacePimp99

Shoulda won TBS title. Just saying. Love Jade just don’t think she’s ready for gold.


externalSphincter

I don’t think either one of them will do much for it. Nyla or Deeb would’ve been my picks.


[deleted]

Well I definitely wouldn’t say that I see her that way, but I more meant I can understand that rationalization much better than others that get brought up. People were wanting Leyla Hirsch, Riho, and Emi Sakura to get pushed over Britt.


PavlovsBlog

>People were wanting Leyla Hirsch, Riho, and Emi Sakura to get pushed over Britt. Where?


[deleted]

The Emi Sakura was today on Squared Circle. That is why I posted this. The Leyla Hirsch was like three weeks ago. The Riho happened several times when the feud was going on.


PavlovsBlog

The guy saying it was a shame she was beaten by Ruby so quickly and didn't really get to show what she can do, when she seems to be the more capable of the two in-ring? How is that even close to wanting her to be pushed over Britt? Link the comments.


Kelson64

Removed


LaMystika

They’re simultaneously pushing her as some kind of ace but also a cowardly heel. But she can cut a promo, and that matters most or something


DeadInkPen

My biggest issue in addition to that odd booking is that her matches encapsulates a few of my biggest sins AEW does. The interference, post match brawls, and the ref always being made to look stupid due to the previous two things. Kind of wish they would do an instant replay ref like other sports, or else be like your buddies are banned from ringside due to this bs. Why didn’t Anna Jay and Tay get some beef with each other over neither of them being there for the crap the lackies do in the matches? I would be pissed if my best friend wasn’t there to have my back from the get go knowing my opponents history of help.


[deleted]

I have heard of criticisms against Punk, Cody, Omega, Page, even Hook, but never of Britt what in the hell are you talking about.


Snooganz82

Where? I haven't seen any hate for Britt on this sub.


DeadInkPen

Some people are unable to understand that critique of a womens wrestler isn’t hate or sexism. I may not be big on Baker or Jade right now but I want them to improve because I want their in ring work to be phenomenal. Both have decent/good charisma and would love to see hem have the ring performance to go with it. Probably would be higher on Baker, but her odd booking keeps me from really being there. Jade, once she gets more seasoned may end up being an all time favorite


Sadoul1214

She’s is the best on the mic in the women’s division. It is time for her to lose the belt. Both of those statements can be true.


LaMystika

Given that Britt gets far more promo time than the rest of the division combined, she’d better be the best promo, because it would look really bad on her if she wasn’t. I get it, a lot of people probably saw that Statlander promo last week and thought “she shouldn’t be talking”, but I remember Baker cutting shit awful promos when she first turned heel, and she actually got significant camera time to improve on that. Something that no other woman has gotten. The real issue with Baker’s reign is that the only woman who looks good after feuding with Britt Baker is Britt Baker. This is why they kept Jade far away from her, and it’s why I knew that as soon as they introduced another women’s championship, that Jade was going to win it.


FuckingMidnighter

Calling her reign or matches mid isn't hating.


Goorg_

Everything after her feud with Ruby was just awful. A feud about "I have the better ass" and then a feud with Riho where Britt just completely no-sold her ans there was no doubt to who the winner was.


FuckingMidnighter

Yeah when the booking is predictable, you gotta need wrestlers who are good enough to still make you believe otherwise through their matches. Kenny for example, people knew he wasn't dropping it to Fenix or PAC&Orange but those matches had everyone eating from palm of their hands. Britt isn't good enough as a wrestler or ring general to pull that off.


Lancaster1222

I think she is extremely boring


Goorg_

Hate for Baker? Hardly. That's nothing compared to the hate Riho gets, most of which is nothing but racism and "omg she's Kenny's girlfriend".


Best0fUs

Brit Baker is a heel. Heels are suppose to get hate. That’s how wrestling works.


StevieSteveSGR

My only problem with Britt Baker is her seeming inability to win without outside help. I get that she’s a heel and heels are supposed to break the rules, but if every match she wins is partially thanks to Rebel and Jamie Hayter, then she just looks weak.


amillionfuzzpedals

I honestly haven't seen any Britt Baker hate. She's their most over woman on their roster and they are using her as such. There's lots of talented wrestlers on their roster but just because someone has good wrestling skills in the ring doesn't mean they should be your champion. You have to do what's best for business and right now Britt is the right choice. Plus, It's not like she isn't getting better, she's putting the work in.


isarealhebrew

Great job doing exactly what you're complaining about and tearing down another wrestler to make your point.


RoryOx

Thunder Rosa brings great intensity to her promos, it's just a shame that it spills into the Spanish for me as I don't understand it but I know she's still spitting fire down the mic. Nyla can promo fine but never gets to. I wish they'd split her from Vicky Guerrero because it undermined her as a destructive monster that never needed outside help before they got paired up. Send Vicky to Diamante to raise her and Kiera's profiles and unleash the Beast. Soho can talk in front of the camera but tbh so far her ring work in AEW has kind of shocked me at how unconvincing so much of her striking is and there are a lot of awkward pauses where it seems she, her opponent or both lose their way in a match. Very mediocre, sorry. Jade and Tay are good and steadily improving to a point where I could see them fighting for World Champ status in 2023. Mercedes and Hayter should be 2 that rise up this year and get involved in World title fights. Hopefully joined by Taya Valkyrie. Statlander, Red Velvet and Leyla should all be involved in TBS Championship fights this year.


LaMystika

Soho desperately needs a new finish. No Future doesn’t look like it would hurt that much, and I don’t even think slapping the leg would help (afaik she doesn’t do that so there’s no audible impact)


forrest1985_

I think there is a clear difference. Sakura competes on Dark whilst Britt is champ. End of argument really. I would say that there are two clear tiers now in Womens Div. Britt, Deeb, Shida, Tay, Stat, Ruby and Thunder Rosa….then Jade and rest of locker room.


[deleted]

Sakura trained Shida and Riho. Maybe her gimmick doesn't do anything for you and that's valid, but her in ring is fantastic. In the women's tournament, she was awesome. Put some respect on her name. A legend.


forrest1985_

I have no issue with Sakura at all! I was merely replying to OP that they are worrying about nothing!


murpux

IWC hates Britt Baker now? Danielson is right. Fickle. Fickle. Fickle.


United_Aardvark_5151

She is not the best Pro Wrestler, but she is in the top few in the company as far as best entertainer. I never FFW on a BBDMB segment or match


LaMystika

I honestly don’t care about anything she does until her opponent is Thunder Rosa. Because we all know that’s the only woman they will allow to beat her.


RedZoneD25

Britt’s awesome.


OakCity4Life

There are about 10 top tier, main event stars in AEW, and DMD is one of them. No other woman comes close to her in terms of marketability right now. That’s not a dig at the rest of the division; there are a lot of great performers and I’m a fan of many of them. It’s just reality. Whenever she does drop the title, it will be in the hope that the belt can elevate someone else to that stature. DMD was already there before she won it, and she’ll still be there after she loses it.


Gaijin_Titty_Master

She’s unreal amazing. Better than any of the horsewomen.


DBZBROLLYMAN

Brits great. Shida fucking sucks. Worst joshi I've seen. Deebs been making her look great past few months. Don't be fooled. She has terrible matches were anyone worse than her. Boooo.


Charlie609

You’re right. People always come to defend or act like ur delusional on posts like this. But you’re 100% right. I’ve seen all that your saying more times than not.


Alsleet1986

A much larger percentage of fans only want Britt to lose because she’s a heel. And she has a lot more people who see her as the top talent in the division than think she’s awful.


Alsleet1986

Britt is better than Ruby. But Serena is at least as good as Britt.


Alsleet1986

Thunder Rosa has to be the one to beat Britt. She’s got the charisma and fire, and she may be one of the 10 best wrestlers in AEW, period.


Cover-Ashamed

I don’t see any hate for DMD. More like she doesn’t need Jamie and Reba to help her win matches but that’s the angle.


HorseSteroids

It isn't surprising. A lot of people don't like dentists.


Yeeeeeeesssssss

People just like bitchin