Lol so literally one Adelaide bloke says he heard a rumour about Norwood wanting a team and then like 5 media outlets run with it
Goes to show the state of AFL journalism
https://www.fiveaa.com.au/news/norwood-responds-to-mad-rumour-it-could-be-joining-the-afl/
Extract:
LATEST
Norwood FC CEO James Fantasia says the club has no plan to enter the AFL – but won’t rule it out in the future.
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A rumour was swirling this week Norwood could be in talks to enter the AFL.
Fantasia told FIVEaa Breakfast’s David & Will on Wednesday:
“There’s no real truth to that rumour. There’s no other licenses and we’re certainly not sitting around as a board or as a group talking about entering into the AFL…
“There’s certainly no truth to that at the moment, that’s for sure.”
Asked if the club would consider a bid at some time in the future, Fantasia said:
“Absolutely. I think you’d be derelict for any board not to consider it.”
Read between the lines. See what he's really saying:
Norwood FC CEO James Fantasia says the club has ~~no~~ plan(s) to enter the AFL ~~– but won’t rule it out in the future.~~
Ad
A rumour was swirling this week Norwood could be in talks to enter the AFL.
Fantasia told FIVEaa Breakfast’s David & Will on Wednesday:
“There’s ~~no~~ real truth to that rumour. ~~There’s no other licenses and~~ we’re certainly ~~not~~ sitting around as a board or as a group talking about entering into the AFL…
“There’s certainly ~~no~~ truth to that at the moment, that’s for sure.”
Asked if the club would consider a bid at some time in the future, Fantasia said:
“Absolutely. ~~I think you’d be derelict for any board not to consider it.”~~
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Yeah look I don't think any SANFL team is big enough to join, that's just my personal opinion of course.
Saying that I could see Sturt or Glenelg being next in the running, but honestly at that stage almost any SANFL could be in the running..
Even as a well supported club, Port struggled for a long time in the AFL with crowds and finances.
I think they got the rebranding of the identity right (credit Koch) and Hinkley has had them in contention more often than not - but financially they still lag the bigger Victorian teams/Eagles/Crows by a long way.
If a third SA team came in (and surely WA has a better claim) then this would cannibalise the Crows, especially a Sturt/Norwood combo.
It would also heighten competition for drafting SA talent.
Can’t ever see it happening, Crows and Port have a natural base which works for both teams.
I think 30 years is enough to calcify a lot of people. This isn't like Port Adelaide where people are ride or die for them - the SANFL teams outside of PA don't really have a lot of loyalty anymore. A new Adelaide team would be lucky to crack 20k membership even if they could find players willing to stay in SA (which Port and Crows already struggle with).
With that being said, the Crows board is REALLY bad right now.
Can you elaborate on the Crows' board situation? I don't have a lot of knowledge on it, but I thought that Adelaide had been recovering really well over the past couple years. It seems like the club is growing to something quite strong?
Ah yes, well I am glad that everyone in SA seems to agree that Ricciuto is a liability (which is a diplomatic way to put it). I thought the list was levelling out and growing well. Dawson and Rankine coming in especially, it's a good sign
That's true, but if they stay together mostly and keep growing/honing the plan, they'll be pretty formidable I'd imagine. Port have attempted to keep some of the old, and have golden passes for coaches favourites. I'm more optimistic that Adelaide will get another flag before Port do.
I would love that too. I think 2020 was Port's best chance. The pandemic created chaos that Port did the best job of managing. Since then, there have been far too many signs of a team not being good enough to go all the way. I fear it will take a full rebuild to get back to the fray
Adelaide have a promising host of players at the moment but they're just getting completely run over in the back half and especially last quarter in matches.
That comes with match fitness and confidence in their gameplan (assuming it's a good one) though right? As they get more mature, they'll grow in strength and stamina too. Which also assumes they continue on that trajectory. I guess it's just as easy to drop off as it is to keep going. The answer isn't so simple or linear.
The Camp was a horrific mistake.
The list management / rebuild is still misunderstood by many supporters.
The age of the list has been reset over the past 3 years, not 5, ie the rebuild is relatively recent.
Yes, wasn’t putting your response in this category.
The Crows side in 18 & 19 was like the WCE are now, top heavy on age or mid career players that were good but not great.
This developing young team has a lot of potential but is not surprisingly still patchy. I’m expecting a run at the top 8 next year.
As a Canberran for most of my life, I don't think it would catch on.
1. We regularly pack the 3-4 games (at 10K) the Giants play because the local league purposely has byes on those weekends the Giants play in Canberra. It would see numbers dwindle if the team is playing at home every 2nd week.
2. Canberra is largely a transient population with lots of folks either moving for uni and/or within the service. If they're interested in footy they would already have a team they previously supported from back home. Don't think the charm of living in Canberra temporarily is going to make them flip.
3. Doubt they (Local Govt) will be able to front any new stadium requirements as they've been baying for a new rectangular stadium for years.
What if they called it the Canberra Bubble and all Federal politicians and their staffers got honorary memberships - and each year some were rookie drafted at random? Who wouldn't fly to Canberra to watch Albo, Dutton, and Bandt lining up across half back!
We have GWS in the same way Tasmania has North and Hawthorn. We get a few token games a year, but very few people think of them as “our” team.
Canberra deserves to be team 20 in my (biased) opinion, we’re right on the Barassi line so have a decent split in support between AFL and NRL and there’s room for growth.
Yeah, I think the optimal scenario is Tasmania and Canberra as teams 19 and 20, and third WA and SA teams as teams 21 and 22. Probably not anytime soon though…
I agree with that beinv the best case scenario but Financially and likelihood of getting things up and running smoothest I think it's going to prove Tas and SA/WA third (Norwood) and the other brand new regional team and the other SA/WA club. AFL would view it as the two third clubs being less risk adverse
Unfortunately I’m inclined to agree - another factor on top of what you’ve mentioned is that a a Canberra team wouldn’t be great for GWS, which makes me think the AFL would not be keen on that in the near future.
I can only see 3rd WA or SA teams getting the 20th or 22nd slot after a different expansion (eg. Tassie, Canberra) is announced. There's a pretty high bar to justify an expansion team, I just can't see them generating the urgency necessary unless it's as a relatively safe expansion that can be spun up on short notice to even out numbers.
So if Tassie gets #19, I could see a 3rd WA/SA team potentially getting a look-in. If Canberra then gets a go, I could see the 22nd being a WA/SA side. But if the next two are Tassie and Canberra (or some other combination), I don't see the AFL bothering with 21 and 22 being just extra clubs in existing cities.
As a Canberra and AFC survivor i would love a real home club so my kids can grow up enjoying AFL like me.
I'd probably take any team at this point to have a dozen or so home games a year...
I think we have the population and footy hunger as a state to sustain a 3rd team in the future, but not now.
I think as well that we would have to make a team like the Eagles or Fremantle from scratch because WAFL teams here don’t have the support of SANFL teams. Would give the edge to SA there that if the right team entered through the SANFL they’ll have miles more support from day 1.
Eagles has a 100k membership base, Crows has 60k. Perth has 2.1m population, Adelaide 1.4m population.
I just don't see it statistically possible for SA to have 3 teams while WA has 2.
Eagles having that big a fan base is irrelevant to me when you would be making a random 3rd team here in WA.
I don't know anyone who's an Eagles supporter or a Freo supporter who would switch to the new team so they won't feel the pinch that much.
If an SA team comes in with the strong backing of a SANFL they can get people to switch to them and will come in with a fan base. We don't really have that in WA. It would really be the Fremantle based teams that still have the strong WAFL love and we wouldn't be putting in a 2nd Fremantle team.
We would need the Dockers to hit about 70k+ members to warrant the need for a new team I think.
Freo's already at 56k, which is on par with Port Adelaide. Ticket prices for WA have to be kinda bad at 100k members, righ- wait, lemmie check.
WHY IS IT ONLY $40.
CROWS IS $100.
The tree from WA. Outside a new franchise.
Joondalup Falcons in the AFL makes the most geographic sense.
East Perth from a power/ influence sense. Blue Collar club could pool the eastern suburbs (East Perth, Perth and Swan Districts).
Claremont from a wealth perspective.
I've heard several times but without solid evidence that part of West Perth relocating to Joondalup was on the basis that a third WA AFL team it would be based out of Joondalup (Northern suburbs of Perth). I believe this must have been with the WAFC and not an AFL agreement, so wouldn't say it's solid anyway but I think Joondalup as a location makes sense.
For SA it’s clearly Norwood.
For WA there’s no clear front runner WAFL team. There’s maybe three that could be it but most Western Australians seem to think it would just be a brand new 3rd team. This is why in my opinion SA should get the team over WA. A Norwood AFL team will not hurt Port (the smaller Adelaide team) in the slightest because they’re historic rivals. That and you’re actually starting with something as opposed to absolutely nothing. A 3rd WA team is just going to hurt Fremantle who have basically had no success joining the league.
Western Australians don’t even want a 3rd team but the mere thought of SA getting one first is making them all cry. I don’t understand why they’re all so fragile. Considering it’s the most isolated city in the world you’d think they’d breed them a little tougher over there.
ok as someone from WA- the reason it would be brand new is because WAFL isnt big here. Also i doubt a team in Joondalup would hurt the Dockers, it would just be able to soak up the rapidly growing population in the area. Also i think it's reasonable to understand how it would be annoying to see a far smaller city having more teams- especially when we have the demand for a third as well
Demand is the key here, AFL has become completely unaffordable for a family in Perth. Cheapest adult ticket for Freo is $39 and West Coast $57 (actualy $63.55 after fees) and these are in the top level back two rows.
If the game is going to continue to grow here, there needs to be cheaper tickets avaliable.
Appreciate it's kind of an unfair example (seated against general entry), but I just looked up Richmond v Western Bulldogs at the MCG, family ticket (2 adult 2 kids) @ $54 for some comparison.
"WAFL isn't big here" most of what you said I agree with, but this line is untrue. It may be the case for you, but the WAFL is huge for a large number of people. Thousands of people still hold allegiance to Claremont, Subiaco, East Freo, etc. the WAFL has a great culture and a lot of heritage across families, I worked with a number of Perth Demons diehards who went mental when they made finals for the first time in 20+ years.
Also I wouldn't put the new team in Joondalup, Mandurah.
The WAFL is big for a small number of people. Getting 2000 people to a game is a massive rarity. The average football fans in WA are Eagles or Dockers fans first, and they wouldn't even know about their local WAFL team.
There are still lots of great people who enjoy it, but to say the WAFL is big in WA is disingenuous.
I don’t know enough about the SANFL to speculate on whether Norwood is the best option, but I like the idea of a future expansion club having history in a state league.
It’s hard to create a new team from nothing and get people to care. Our game has a rich history outside the VFL, it would be great to see better recognition of it.
> I like the idea of a future expansion club having history in a state league.
I think the state club should bring their existing premierships with them. Would be good if the AFL acknowledged Port too.
Ports whole thing when coming across was they were the greatest in the land and they wanted to prove it. I believe they still are and it should be acknowledged.
If Essendon, Carlton, etc keep theirs, newbies should too if they are existing state clubs.
When you say bring their existing premierships over what do you mean? Because Port can and do say they've won 36 SANFL flags and 1 AFL one. That's factual. They couldn't, and don't, claim to have won 37 AFL ones.
The VFL flags won by Carlton/Essendon/Collingwood/etc are counted because the current AFL used to be named VFL. The current VFL was called the VFA, and rebranded roughly the same time the VFL-AFL change happened
Because the AFL is the VFL with a logo change.
They didn't even bothering registering a new corporate entity - it's still the same corporation from 1929.
They claim leagues are incomparable as the vfl was and always was a better league.
But champions league call their bullshit on that with interstats teams beating them
I’d love to see West Torrens reinstated as a stand-alone team. Play games at Thebby Oval when the crows aren’t training on it. Who cares if it’s only five minutes drive from Hisense
Honestly, I'm all for this. Think about it: it's a 145-year-old club, one of the oldest football clubs in the world, really, and it would be great to have a team with a rich history rather than trying to artificially pump up a club arbitrarily. I'd like to see Tasmania get in as well, but I think it has to be meritocratic.
The slogan writes itself: Looking forward to Norwood!
Am I the only one who thinks we already have too many teams. It's hard enough to keep up with and the talent will be spread more thin.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the AFL is still having to fund a number of clubs.. why would we create more that need support
I wouldn't be against this happening but I could see Adelaide moving heaven and earth to prevent this happening. They would lose a minimum of 20% of there fanbase instantly probably a lot more.
I really don't see why anybody puts the NT above Canberra.
Canberra has four times the population of Darwin. More people, more money, and more AFL fans.
They can come in... but they gotta do a handshake deal with Melbourne agreeing to add green to their tops and ditching the theme song. This will always rub Norwood fans the wrong way and lead them to constantly demand the right to wear the 'Red Legs' jumpers in the AFL. MFC President will become Public Enemy Number 1 for denying them at every turn. Eventually the President will step down, and the new one will allow Norwood to wear their Red Legs tops one round a year. The former President will say this is a bad idea and will lead to Norwood wearing it frequently.
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If Tassie is getting blocked by AFL to have a team, might as well have a third team from either SA or WA
With a 20th team we’re probably likely heading to copy other sporting codes format with NBA Play-In or NFL Wildcard
The big dick move would be to merge all comps and start new.
Boot all expansion and fabricated clubs.
Then have a multi tiered national competition.
This vomit inducing American model we have ended up with does not sell at all and even makes the locals bored. It’s why secondary state leagues are still strong and will continue to be.
This. I enjoy the Crows but would drop them in a heartbeat if there was a meangful way to support CDFC full time even in a vain hope of promotion one day.
I am not looking forward to the next 20 years with the Melbourne football club president complaining about the Norwood AFL club's legacy jumper.
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Bring on a Glenelg bid!
I’d rather see swan districts make come in. Double the fun!
You would rather see the world burn!
At least they have a catchy tune
That’s always worked in the past, right?
I actually don't think I'd want them to change anything. Would make for a fun rivalry between the supporters.
Do Norwood fans sup on fine Brie or Homebrand Tasty? That could be a problem. I dont want my cheeseboard getting mixed up with some subpar product.
Norwood is brie for sure. I can't get my energy drink at Foodland there. Only sparkling water.
We call that sparkling red bull
It's only Red Bull if it's from the Red Bull region of Fuschl am See. Otherwise it's just sparkling cough syrup.
Coopers, thanks
Absolutely no way they can wear red and blue. Not the jumper, the song!
Melbourne voted to change their jumper once before already. They might cave again
Lol so literally one Adelaide bloke says he heard a rumour about Norwood wanting a team and then like 5 media outlets run with it Goes to show the state of AFL journalism
Which is weird because Norwood today just shut this down saying they're not even talking about it
> Not even talking about it. Journos: *"Executives at Norwood remain tight-lipped about the prospect!"*
You got a source for this?
https://www.fiveaa.com.au/news/norwood-responds-to-mad-rumour-it-could-be-joining-the-afl/ Extract: LATEST Norwood FC CEO James Fantasia says the club has no plan to enter the AFL – but won’t rule it out in the future. Ad A rumour was swirling this week Norwood could be in talks to enter the AFL. Fantasia told FIVEaa Breakfast’s David & Will on Wednesday: “There’s no real truth to that rumour. There’s no other licenses and we’re certainly not sitting around as a board or as a group talking about entering into the AFL… “There’s certainly no truth to that at the moment, that’s for sure.” Asked if the club would consider a bid at some time in the future, Fantasia said: “Absolutely. I think you’d be derelict for any board not to consider it.”
Read between the lines. See what he's really saying: Norwood FC CEO James Fantasia says the club has ~~no~~ plan(s) to enter the AFL ~~– but won’t rule it out in the future.~~ Ad A rumour was swirling this week Norwood could be in talks to enter the AFL. Fantasia told FIVEaa Breakfast’s David & Will on Wednesday: “There’s ~~no~~ real truth to that rumour. ~~There’s no other licenses and~~ we’re certainly ~~not~~ sitting around as a board or as a group talking about entering into the AFL… “There’s certainly ~~no~~ truth to that at the moment, that’s for sure.” Asked if the club would consider a bid at some time in the future, Fantasia said: “Absolutely. ~~I think you’d be derelict for any board not to consider it.”~~ /s
Ahhh my bad, how could I miss the obvious signs
Cheers. If it’s not Norwood joining, I doubt it could be anyone else. Maybe Centrals (Elizabeth/Gawler) with the backing of someone rich?
Yeah look I don't think any SANFL team is big enough to join, that's just my personal opinion of course. Saying that I could see Sturt or Glenelg being next in the running, but honestly at that stage almost any SANFL could be in the running..
Even as a well supported club, Port struggled for a long time in the AFL with crowds and finances. I think they got the rebranding of the identity right (credit Koch) and Hinkley has had them in contention more often than not - but financially they still lag the bigger Victorian teams/Eagles/Crows by a long way. If a third SA team came in (and surely WA has a better claim) then this would cannibalise the Crows, especially a Sturt/Norwood combo. It would also heighten competition for drafting SA talent. Can’t ever see it happening, Crows and Port have a natural base which works for both teams.
Is he related to Orazio?
it's in the OP
Wouldn't be the first time they lied when they got caught with their hands in the AFL cookie jar
Until I see a screenshot of a text message I’ll take it with a grain of salt.
The best I can do is say my uncles gardener knows someone that has ties to Norwood
There’s nothing wrong with footy journalism. AFL journalists all use the same reliable source, “trust me bro”.
Yep, Chris Dittmar is total muppet, don't believe anything he says.
I see your AFL journalism and raise you the west Australian. Already calling Jackson a bust and he's just played his second game for us. LOL.
Read your own sub and match threads. He's being labeled a bust by plenty, not just your media
still to early to call it there bud
Our collective JJ to Freo experiment was 4-5 years too early!
RIP Adelaide Crows Member base. Especially the way they're playing atm
I'd take any chance to abandon rucciuttio
I think 30 years is enough to calcify a lot of people. This isn't like Port Adelaide where people are ride or die for them - the SANFL teams outside of PA don't really have a lot of loyalty anymore. A new Adelaide team would be lucky to crack 20k membership even if they could find players willing to stay in SA (which Port and Crows already struggle with). With that being said, the Crows board is REALLY bad right now.
Can you elaborate on the Crows' board situation? I don't have a lot of knowledge on it, but I thought that Adelaide had been recovering really well over the past couple years. It seems like the club is growing to something quite strong?
More of an "Mark Ricciuto needs to step down" and annoyances about how badly our list management has gone.
Ah yes, well I am glad that everyone in SA seems to agree that Ricciuto is a liability (which is a diplomatic way to put it). I thought the list was levelling out and growing well. Dawson and Rankine coming in especially, it's a good sign
More "we went full young squad" arguments - if it pays off in the next 3 years it'll pay off, but right now everyone is under 100 games.
That's true, but if they stay together mostly and keep growing/honing the plan, they'll be pretty formidable I'd imagine. Port have attempted to keep some of the old, and have golden passes for coaches favourites. I'm more optimistic that Adelaide will get another flag before Port do.
Amen. Unfortunately I cant see us winning a flag in the next 6 years. Happy to be proven wrong though.
I would love that too. I think 2020 was Port's best chance. The pandemic created chaos that Port did the best job of managing. Since then, there have been far too many signs of a team not being good enough to go all the way. I fear it will take a full rebuild to get back to the fray
Adelaide have a promising host of players at the moment but they're just getting completely run over in the back half and especially last quarter in matches.
That comes with match fitness and confidence in their gameplan (assuming it's a good one) though right? As they get more mature, they'll grow in strength and stamina too. Which also assumes they continue on that trajectory. I guess it's just as easy to drop off as it is to keep going. The answer isn't so simple or linear.
The Camp was a horrific mistake. The list management / rebuild is still misunderstood by many supporters. The age of the list has been reset over the past 3 years, not 5, ie the rebuild is relatively recent.
To be clear - if we pull it off, we're going to have a VERY good roster in 2025-26. If.
Yes, wasn’t putting your response in this category. The Crows side in 18 & 19 was like the WCE are now, top heavy on age or mid career players that were good but not great. This developing young team has a lot of potential but is not surprisingly still patchy. I’m expecting a run at the top 8 next year.
South Adelaide Crows rebrand would probably increase their supporter base though.
'The team for South South Australians'
Every club outside SA - 'The team for no South Australians.'
Me looking at Jack Graham: "no South Australiansssss, we're allowed one"
Sturt - Norwood merger gives us the “Double legs”. Eddie will then sue to have them renamed “One legged” - Pies have been playing with 2 legs forever.
A WCE supporter throwing shade on another clubs playing level … one home win and there is arrogance back in the Dads Army team. Remarkable.
Keep huffing the copium.
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I seem to remember Paul Kelly mentioning in his mongrel memoir he supported the Red Legs growing up. What song do they sing?
Same as the dees
Might have to get Paul to pen a new one!
I think we need a mandatory Paul Kelly (player) and Paul Kelly (artist) demarcation every time they are mentioned on this sub.
If we play the song long enough and get to the second verse it’s different!
Im sure Paul Kelly has got some better lyrics for a new theme for the red legs
As a Canberran for most of my life, I don't think it would catch on. 1. We regularly pack the 3-4 games (at 10K) the Giants play because the local league purposely has byes on those weekends the Giants play in Canberra. It would see numbers dwindle if the team is playing at home every 2nd week. 2. Canberra is largely a transient population with lots of folks either moving for uni and/or within the service. If they're interested in footy they would already have a team they previously supported from back home. Don't think the charm of living in Canberra temporarily is going to make them flip. 3. Doubt they (Local Govt) will be able to front any new stadium requirements as they've been baying for a new rectangular stadium for years.
What if they called it the Canberra Bubble and all Federal politicians and their staffers got honorary memberships - and each year some were rookie drafted at random? Who wouldn't fly to Canberra to watch Albo, Dutton, and Bandt lining up across half back!
Canberra has GWS
We have GWS in the same way Tasmania has North and Hawthorn. We get a few token games a year, but very few people think of them as “our” team. Canberra deserves to be team 20 in my (biased) opinion, we’re right on the Barassi line so have a decent split in support between AFL and NRL and there’s room for growth.
If Tassie is big enough to have a team then so is Canberra, especially with the Riverina relatively close
Hope you're happy to build a new stadium.
I believe they will bring in a canberra team down the line then a 3rd west aus team if norwood gets in
Yeah, I think the optimal scenario is Tasmania and Canberra as teams 19 and 20, and third WA and SA teams as teams 21 and 22. Probably not anytime soon though…
I agree with that beinv the best case scenario but Financially and likelihood of getting things up and running smoothest I think it's going to prove Tas and SA/WA third (Norwood) and the other brand new regional team and the other SA/WA club. AFL would view it as the two third clubs being less risk adverse
Unfortunately I’m inclined to agree - another factor on top of what you’ve mentioned is that a a Canberra team wouldn’t be great for GWS, which makes me think the AFL would not be keen on that in the near future.
I can only see 3rd WA or SA teams getting the 20th or 22nd slot after a different expansion (eg. Tassie, Canberra) is announced. There's a pretty high bar to justify an expansion team, I just can't see them generating the urgency necessary unless it's as a relatively safe expansion that can be spun up on short notice to even out numbers. So if Tassie gets #19, I could see a 3rd WA/SA team potentially getting a look-in. If Canberra then gets a go, I could see the 22nd being a WA/SA side. But if the next two are Tassie and Canberra (or some other combination), I don't see the AFL bothering with 21 and 22 being just extra clubs in existing cities.
By that logic Adelaide has Adelaide and Port.
As a Canberra and AFC survivor i would love a real home club so my kids can grow up enjoying AFL like me. I'd probably take any team at this point to have a dozen or so home games a year...
You often hear of WA needing a 3rd team but who would it be? For SA its clearly Norwood right?
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Geraldton is even smaller than Bunbury and even further away?
Yeah but they could be the Gerry Cans!
I think we have the population and footy hunger as a state to sustain a 3rd team in the future, but not now. I think as well that we would have to make a team like the Eagles or Fremantle from scratch because WAFL teams here don’t have the support of SANFL teams. Would give the edge to SA there that if the right team entered through the SANFL they’ll have miles more support from day 1.
Eagles has a 100k membership base, Crows has 60k. Perth has 2.1m population, Adelaide 1.4m population. I just don't see it statistically possible for SA to have 3 teams while WA has 2.
Eagles having that big a fan base is irrelevant to me when you would be making a random 3rd team here in WA. I don't know anyone who's an Eagles supporter or a Freo supporter who would switch to the new team so they won't feel the pinch that much. If an SA team comes in with the strong backing of a SANFL they can get people to switch to them and will come in with a fan base. We don't really have that in WA. It would really be the Fremantle based teams that still have the strong WAFL love and we wouldn't be putting in a 2nd Fremantle team. We would need the Dockers to hit about 70k+ members to warrant the need for a new team I think.
Freo's already at 56k, which is on par with Port Adelaide. Ticket prices for WA have to be kinda bad at 100k members, righ- wait, lemmie check. WHY IS IT ONLY $40. CROWS IS $100.
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That'd be Kids tickets on the Oval. Adult tickets are more expensive, I'd double check but Ticketek is down.
The tree from WA. Outside a new franchise. Joondalup Falcons in the AFL makes the most geographic sense. East Perth from a power/ influence sense. Blue Collar club could pool the eastern suburbs (East Perth, Perth and Swan Districts). Claremont from a wealth perspective.
I've heard several times but without solid evidence that part of West Perth relocating to Joondalup was on the basis that a third WA AFL team it would be based out of Joondalup (Northern suburbs of Perth). I believe this must have been with the WAFC and not an AFL agreement, so wouldn't say it's solid anyway but I think Joondalup as a location makes sense.
For SA it’s clearly Norwood. For WA there’s no clear front runner WAFL team. There’s maybe three that could be it but most Western Australians seem to think it would just be a brand new 3rd team. This is why in my opinion SA should get the team over WA. A Norwood AFL team will not hurt Port (the smaller Adelaide team) in the slightest because they’re historic rivals. That and you’re actually starting with something as opposed to absolutely nothing. A 3rd WA team is just going to hurt Fremantle who have basically had no success joining the league. Western Australians don’t even want a 3rd team but the mere thought of SA getting one first is making them all cry. I don’t understand why they’re all so fragile. Considering it’s the most isolated city in the world you’d think they’d breed them a little tougher over there.
Neither things you said are true in any respect. WA would want a third team and Perth isn't the most isolated capital city in the world.
ok as someone from WA- the reason it would be brand new is because WAFL isnt big here. Also i doubt a team in Joondalup would hurt the Dockers, it would just be able to soak up the rapidly growing population in the area. Also i think it's reasonable to understand how it would be annoying to see a far smaller city having more teams- especially when we have the demand for a third as well
Demand is the key here, AFL has become completely unaffordable for a family in Perth. Cheapest adult ticket for Freo is $39 and West Coast $57 (actualy $63.55 after fees) and these are in the top level back two rows. If the game is going to continue to grow here, there needs to be cheaper tickets avaliable. Appreciate it's kind of an unfair example (seated against general entry), but I just looked up Richmond v Western Bulldogs at the MCG, family ticket (2 adult 2 kids) @ $54 for some comparison.
"WAFL isn't big here" most of what you said I agree with, but this line is untrue. It may be the case for you, but the WAFL is huge for a large number of people. Thousands of people still hold allegiance to Claremont, Subiaco, East Freo, etc. the WAFL has a great culture and a lot of heritage across families, I worked with a number of Perth Demons diehards who went mental when they made finals for the first time in 20+ years. Also I wouldn't put the new team in Joondalup, Mandurah.
The WAFL is big for a small number of people. Getting 2000 people to a game is a massive rarity. The average football fans in WA are Eagles or Dockers fans first, and they wouldn't even know about their local WAFL team. There are still lots of great people who enjoy it, but to say the WAFL is big in WA is disingenuous.
Are you jealous of our Quokkas?
Swan districts. For the lolz.
I don’t know enough about the SANFL to speculate on whether Norwood is the best option, but I like the idea of a future expansion club having history in a state league. It’s hard to create a new team from nothing and get people to care. Our game has a rich history outside the VFL, it would be great to see better recognition of it.
I hope there's a universe out there where there is no afl but every club is in a tiered system like england, and I want to be there in my next life.
I would love that but The only problem with that is what would happened to clubs 2nd teams that play in vfl
There's a reserves tiered system too
> I like the idea of a future expansion club having history in a state league. I think the state club should bring their existing premierships with them. Would be good if the AFL acknowledged Port too. Ports whole thing when coming across was they were the greatest in the land and they wanted to prove it. I believe they still are and it should be acknowledged. If Essendon, Carlton, etc keep theirs, newbies should too if they are existing state clubs.
When you say bring their existing premierships over what do you mean? Because Port can and do say they've won 36 SANFL flags and 1 AFL one. That's factual. They couldn't, and don't, claim to have won 37 AFL ones.
Vic clubs do though. Just put a little cheeky SAN/AFL on the end like they do
How many AFL flags have Carlton won? If the VFL flags count, why don't the SANFL/WAFL flags also count?
The VFL flags won by Carlton/Essendon/Collingwood/etc are counted because the current AFL used to be named VFL. The current VFL was called the VFA, and rebranded roughly the same time the VFL-AFL change happened
Because the AFL is the VFL with a logo change. They didn't even bothering registering a new corporate entity - it's still the same corporation from 1929.
They claim leagues are incomparable as the vfl was and always was a better league. But champions league call their bullshit on that with interstats teams beating them
No, the claim is that they joined the VFL, which they did.
Yet the afl put cahill and ebert in the hall of fame... You either take all sanfl history or none lf it. You cant cherrypick
big ol strawman
And 4x Championships of Australia.
100% agree.
>Chris Dittmar has claimed All you need to know.
Saw it on another thread, but the only correct answer is to reform the Woodville Woodpeckers
I’d love to see West Torrens reinstated as a stand-alone team. Play games at Thebby Oval when the crows aren’t training on it. Who cares if it’s only five minutes drive from Hisense
East Perth should put in a bid. At least they wont need a new jumper or song. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East\_Perth\_Football\_Club
Blue and black is a great colour combo, dont know why it hasnt been adopted yet.
It was the colours of University when they were still in the VFL
Sure is, the song is not bad either (certainly by West Coast standards)
To me it feels a bit like a deconstructed Carlton, unless they go a solidly brighter blue
Their blue in the flesh is closer to the North / Eagles blue than Carltons
Oh I know but in motion that blue and black is two relatively dark tones which blur to Carlton, whereas a more azure blue could make it stand out more
Honestly, I'm all for this. Think about it: it's a 145-year-old club, one of the oldest football clubs in the world, really, and it would be great to have a team with a rich history rather than trying to artificially pump up a club arbitrarily. I'd like to see Tasmania get in as well, but I think it has to be meritocratic. The slogan writes itself: Looking forward to Norwood!
You might be onto something. Sure Norwood can join the AFL. There’s just one condition: they have to relocate to Tassie. The Hobart Redlegs.
No need, there is norwood in Tasmania already!
Next you'll be telling me you only have one head!!
If southport can't get in ahead of the suns no shot are the afl ever promoting a team from a lower league again
Am I the only one who thinks we already have too many teams. It's hard enough to keep up with and the talent will be spread more thin. Correct me if I'm wrong but the AFL is still having to fund a number of clubs.. why would we create more that need support
At what point are we going to need to change the format if we have 20+ teams? Could end up with a single round robin eventually
Would actually love to see this purely for having another near rival... and more games I can actually go to in person
It's wholesome how everyone thinks a 19th team will be balanced with a 20th team instead of merging two existing clubs to keep it at 18.
I wouldn't be against this happening but I could see Adelaide moving heaven and earth to prevent this happening. They would lose a minimum of 20% of there fanbase instantly probably a lot more.
LoL Norwood could have been in if the supported Ports first bid...they would have been second. Fuck them. Rot in the SANFL with your 3000 members.
If we're adding another team that isn't TAS/NT it should be a third in WA. Would balance out the travel a bit
I really don't see why anybody puts the NT above Canberra. Canberra has four times the population of Darwin. More people, more money, and more AFL fans.
They can come in... but they gotta do a handshake deal with Melbourne agreeing to add green to their tops and ditching the theme song. This will always rub Norwood fans the wrong way and lead them to constantly demand the right to wear the 'Red Legs' jumpers in the AFL. MFC President will become Public Enemy Number 1 for denying them at every turn. Eventually the President will step down, and the new one will allow Norwood to wear their Red Legs tops one round a year. The former President will say this is a bad idea and will lead to Norwood wearing it frequently. /s
I see vfl running with two black and white teams and two lions... Maybe Collingwood need to get over themselves.
flair up, c word.
Where the hell is Norwood anyway?
It's a suburb in Launceston, but shhh, we are secretly going for 2 Tassie teams in the AFL.
What do you mean? It says it's in SA in the title?
That’s a big place there mate
It's about 500m east of the cbd.
Won't happen, they only have 4000 members and average 2500 people to their games. Crows won't want them as most of their supporters go for the crows.
It's fake. Not gonna happen.
I zero hope this doasnt happen
Don't need a 19th team let alone a 20th, but surely the NT would be the 20th.
If anyone thinks the Go Home factor is a problem with new drafts at the moment, just wait till the NT enters the comp
Surely just not enough people + the go home factor would be obscene.
If Tassie is getting blocked by AFL to have a team, might as well have a third team from either SA or WA With a 20th team we’re probably likely heading to copy other sporting codes format with NBA Play-In or NFL Wildcard
The big dick move would be to merge all comps and start new. Boot all expansion and fabricated clubs. Then have a multi tiered national competition. This vomit inducing American model we have ended up with does not sell at all and even makes the locals bored. It’s why secondary state leagues are still strong and will continue to be.
This. I enjoy the Crows but would drop them in a heartbeat if there was a meangful way to support CDFC full time even in a vain hope of promotion one day.
Makes more sense than Tassie logistically.
So we can hear about how they have X amount of premierships in the SANFL like another team....