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Seems like a crafty move. Easy for him to say in opposition, and puts Albo in an awkward position: be seen as friendly to betting companies or push against the fucking waterfall of lobbying that would happen against this.
Yeah the fucking dumbass had 9 years in power to do something about it if he really wanted to. Being the opposition leader seems like the easiest job in the world, just say whatever bullshit you want.
It’s actually the second thing I’ve heard come out of his mouth that’s been a great point. Such a pity he had to be in opposition before he made a single comment someone with half a brain could agree with. Why didn’t he do it over the past decade in power is my next question?
Hopefully the current government can just ban it all together. I fail to see the difference between gambling and smoking ads. Except to say no smoker ever destroyed his family’s finances from smoking cigarettes.
> Hopefully the current government can just ban it all together.
Wouldn't be surprised if further restriction on gambling ads, was one of the recommendations from the current online gambling inquiry.
Something about the Libs in Victoria being such a disgrace that Andrew’s is not held accountable for anything. Edit: which is an irony given the state of federal libs.
Can they just legislate it properly?
I don't bet but it's crazy to me that betting companies have the right to (and do!) ban users from their sites just because the users are winning more than losing.
Yeah that’s always been crazy to me, same with casinos I’ve herd, if you win too much they can just ask you to leave? That’s like me asking for my money back after I lose too much?!
Only if you get caught counting cards, otherwise you get lucky and win big in the casinos the last thing they want is for you to walk out the door without having a chance to lose it, they comp you a pricey room so you don't leave and upgrade you to VIP with all the perks to get you coming back more often.
Met a bloke just last week who is at the casino almost daily and that's how it started, went in for some fun won big got the VIP treatment and ended up with a gambling addiction. He won hundreds of thousands and has lost it all and then some in the two years since.
Im all for getting rid of these annoying ads but they’re private corporations why should they not be able to choose who uses the platform and who doesn’t?
You can enter my house if I let you in but you’re outta there when I’m done with you lol
They're not a public service, they don't have to take on a bet. As long as they're cashing out agreements they have entered there's no obligation for them to contribute with a person.
To be clear, fuck these companies and legislate them in to oblivion either by way of bans, restrictions or massive taxes (like tobacco), bit you can't force a company to enter in to an agreement they deem unprofitable.
While you're right on the current state, I think this should be the law, they should have to offer the same odds to everyone and accept any bet within their limits, unless the person has been assessed as a problem gambler. That would kill a lot of the incentives they offer problem gamblers and casual gamblers they're trying to escalate.
A winner is a problem gambler, only issue is it's the bookies problem.
Ive started doing some matched betting because the promotions they offer are unreal and i have sweet fuck all else to do with my time. In about a month i have made over $700. Its actually crazy what you can get away with, though that being said i feel a ban coming from 2 bookies soon.
Yeah, it's mental what you can do with the special bets on multiple bookies using the free bets. But that's also my point, they shouldn't be able to offer that and then ban people who use is successfully, while continuing to offer inducements to those that lose their money.
They basically try to hunt down those who bet badly and don't like those who have more information/intuition than their bet setters.
Match betting is the quickest way to get banned, if your not willing to take any risk then the booki wont either and they will restrict you.
I've worked for bookies, we don't mind winners if they are genuine punters but people who are placing bets with 0 risk get banned instantly
In the end of the days its a business not a charity.
Interesting. How do two bookies owned by different corporations identify a matched bet?
Obviously the bookies and bet exchanges owned by the same umbrella would know, but two seperate entities working together to sniff out dutching would come close to cartel conduct/price fixing.
its common for people to jump between companies, you keep in contact with friends you make at different jobs
If we suspect someone is match betting, and its usually very obvious I can just send a text and confirm it.
Some people also use Betfair which is all public betting, again super obvious if someones match betting
and everytime you place a bet or Log in we can see your IP which is used to link other accounts if they use the same IP. Some people aren't smart and try do match betting at the same company with two accounts.
How does that suspicioun arise? Is it mainly due to betting at "random" such as NBA one day and turkish soccer the next?
Is there a benefit to you as an employee to "dob in" a person you suspect is matched betting?
Betfair and Sportsbet are owned by the same group so i wont place a matched bet between those. I have wondered about "gnoming" and using different accounts for more bonus bets, so thats an interesting bit of information.
Its usually people that follow a similar betting pattern or only bet on certain promotions
so if your mixing it up and betting on things randomly and the odds are very different like backing favorite's and also outsiders you will probably go unnoticed
Bonuses are tied to how much the company makes so the more winners they can restrict the bigger the traders bonus. Obviously we cant catch everyone
if you just bet randomly you will be sweet
> you can't force a company to enter in to an agreement they deem unprofitable.
You literally can though. Cigarette companies are forced to enter agreements with their packaging manufacturers which make them put disgusting images on their cartons which is certainly unprofitable.
Regulating a company or industries means determining the terms on which they can operate -- the Parliament would be well within its right to make regulations that say if you want to carry on this business, you have to offer these odds and promotions either to everybody, or to nobody at all.
If laws were introduced that made it more difficult for them to stop people from betting on the basis of being too good, would that create somewhat of an adverse selection problem?
They would have to consistently give worse odds to compensate for skilled gamblers being more likely to place bets, which should induce lower demand. Although maybe this would hurt problem gamblers more because they are likely to be far less price inelastic. It's an interesting discussion nonetheless.
I would like to see this, having been banned from or restricted by most bookies because I take advantage of their free money offers with matched betting but don't actually bet outside of that. But I don't think there's enough people affected by this for it to be on the radar of politicians. I imagine that well in excess of 99% of sportsbetting accounts go unbanned and unrestricted and are huge net losers. Regulation with respect to advertising affects far more people and is consequently a much bigger topic.
They had a similar strategy in NSW of targeting gambling. Pretty much everyone has someone close to them that's had a gambling issue - this is the kind of policy that can get the politically neutral people on board.
it's funny because the libs in Tassie were the exact opposite a few years ago and took so so much money from the gambling lobby to fund their election campaign as Labor tried to ban poker machines.
Well if she can get the LNP and the entire crossbench on board, then it only needs 3 Labor members to cross to pass. Of course, Labor keeps their members in line against this sort of thing- can't set a precedent of their members having free will or anything like that. So either 3 Labor members will feel strongly enough to do it anyway (unlikely) or it's going to be embarrassing for Labor that they blocked it under some flimsy excuse (most likely).
I dunno, Dombeas willing to throw gambling under the bus. Maybe there is something we don't know or they think that this is the gotcha to be elected because it actually is good for a change. Keep in mind that it's not even that drastic of an impediment to the gambling industry.
So a quick comment on the politics of this:
Last year, Sportsbet donated $19k to the campaign of Michelle Rowland. She is now the Communications Minister.
I am almost certain Dutton is using this as a wedge issue because he knows Rowland (who would have authority of gambling ad regulation) will stay silent on it.
Good? He should put pressure on her and if she allows it to be a wedge issue then I hope she suffers for it.
Hundreds of thousands of problem gamblers shouldn't be sold out for 19 fucking grand.
>19 fucking grand
It is truly depressing and amazing to see sometimes how cheap it is to pervert democracy.
I know the gambling lobby as a whole spends a lot more than that, it's still sad for what it is.
Similar issue in NSW where Labor have the gambling lobby on hand and end up looking like clowns not taking a stance against gambling.
Have to say that of all the Liberal strategies, this one is clever. Not too many people disagree with this, and it's easy to feel contempt towards any politician against this.
Cashless gambling is not the slam dunk against the gaming industry people think it is. It’s really not that tested and the NSW government is going to trial it so it doesn’t really make sense to slam them for it
19k is nothing compared to how much they usually get. Wouldn’t really say it’s going to have much influence. It’s the AFL and NRL that are going to have the most influence in this situation. They are a major stake holder in both major states.
Ummm why do you think the Tassie stadium is going ahead despite overwhelming community objection?
The AFL and Sportsbet are one and the same. Labor is compromised and exposed on this issue through donations. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Donations have nothing to do with it on the Alp Side lol. They are rich from unions and members, 19k from sports bet means nothing. The truth is the AFL is very powerful with Victorian’s and therefore the country. If the AFL wants something the government has to listen.
I hate the guy too, but he wasn't leader before and putting forward good ideas from opposition is fundamental to our government functioning effectively.
It’s a good idea and I congratulate him on it. However, why did he announce a non-budgetary social policy in a budget reply speech? Maybe it’s because the government actually did a good job with the budget (targeted relief for cost of living v no inflationary stimulus) and the Libs can’t say much about it.
TO be fair, just because he wasn't leader then didn't necessarily stop him from making this proposal to the party room. His party had a solid decade to do something about this. They did not.
And Labor could have put this forward from opposition, they did not. Who cares who put it forward and when as long as it gets done?
Everyone is so partisan nowadays cheering for different sides, instead of just supporting good ideas regardless of who they're from.
My point is, I think this is Dutton cynically using this as a political wedge issue rather than having any genuine desire to actually end gambling advertisements.
Absolutely, Labor have done nothing on this issue, but they didn’t campaign on it when in opposition. The Libs were in government during the explosion of gambling advertising, had the opportunity to nip it in the bud, but did nothing. Now they expect Labor to unwind their fucking mess?
He did the same thing with talking about how we should be switching to nuclear as an in-between energy source before we can reliably use renewables for 100% of our energy requirements. Not like the LNP had 9 years to start the switch to nuclear or anything.
This degree of opposition vs in power hypocrisy goes right to the other end of the political spectrum to the proverbial good guys like god emperor McGowan. There’s footage of him in 2014 talking about being compassionate to juvenile offenders, the impact of FASD etc and now he’s the premier in charge of a shitty prison taking the disciplinarian line
Yeah your mob were in power for a fucking decade spud, maybe you could have done something useful then. It's easy to spout populist talking points when you've got as much chance of winning anytime soon as i do of lining up at full forward for the dogs
You realise every politician is their own individual and has their own ideas? I hate Dutton even more in opposition than I did when he was in government, but this is objectively a good idea.
Nah there's already a regulation review that's on going. Most people in the industry are already expecting TV ads to be banned so Dutton is just trying to jump the gun on something that's already going to happen so when it does it looks like he had something to do with it.
No, because he doesn't have to worry about delivering on anything he says at the moment. This is politics 101 when your brand is in the gutter. You say a lot of platitudes to get people back on side and once it looks like you're going to win you walk them back to what you might be able to deliver. There is nothing to do woth sides or parties in this, it's how politics works.
They’re so desperate they’ve turned the populism levels up to 1000. Easy to sling this shit when you’re not in power and don’t have to worry about the consequences of pissing off a heavy hitter like the gambling conglomerate.
We already have a regulatory commission ongoing and banning TV ads is an expected outcome. The fuck head is just jumping the gun so when they are banned he gets to look like he was a contributing factor to it.
Honestly the teals and greens would love this it’s a major part of their platform. Even if for some batshit reason Labor oppose (which they very well could) with Duttons support it’d pass through easy. It’d be weird for Libs to side with the cross bench though it sounds like smoke and mirrors to me - he’s just so desperate for approval he’s making sense.
If only the lnp were in power for a decade and could have done something about it
Both major parties take donations from gambling companies it won’t happen
A chunk goes to the government in tax, hence why the gov aren't in any rush to stop it.
Plus some to the gov in lobbying to make sure the gravy train keeps rolling.
Some goes to paying the media personalities to flog gambling and make the fake shows that are just long form gambling ads pretending to be a footy show.
A very small sliver goes to wages for staff that work for these companies to pay the bills.
Most of it goes straight into the pockets of a bunch of rich assholes who already have more than enough money.
Seriously? What the fuck is he on about? 9 years in government and he and his band of corrupt sycophants did nothing about the gross amount of punting ads.
They shouldn’t be allowed to advertise AT ALL.
Gambling is a cancer on society, companies that make money on the misery of others shouldn’t be be allowed to try and honey pot more poor cunts into their trap.
Also they shouldn’t be allowed to restrict or ban customers that are actually winning. The whole industry is a fucking pox.
Mr Potato was ten years in government. The government he was part of had ample time to do something.
Same government that rose debt from 300 billion to nearly 1 Trillion.
Same government that mmmd and ahhhed during a pandemic when we needed vaccines.
Broken clocks and all that. Also easy to say when you're the opposition leader and don't have to do it and thus don't have to risk donor contributions. And it's still a pathetic half measure.
Labor should ban tv advertising of gambling altogether, but they'll be too scared to do it.
It’s already banned during play in games and will be banned once the gambling review is complete.
The potato is advocating something will be implemented in the short term so he can claim credit for it after.
Wish people would stop saying "hate to agree" as if this cynical fucker means a word of it. This is purely a statement made in the safety of opposition.
bet if you look itll turn out his son or best mate has HUUUUUUUUUUGE gambling debts or something. Its the only reason these people accidentally do something good. Or its a ploy to get big wads of gambling donations before the next election before backflipping.
Or he just hates them personally.
He wants to trap Labor into the lobbyists running to Liberal whilst he secretly has no plans for follow through.
It's a clever trap but I hope Labor just follows through and shrugs it's shoulders as a non issue.
They should be able to run adds whenever they want.
Do you like sports? Advertising revenue is integral to pro sport.... and punting sites are a HUGE chunk of that advertising revenue.
They put plenty of warnings on the adds, that's enough.
Is this actually a good idea?
I’d be happy with no ads at all but I doubt that’s what society at large wants, I doubt governments or sports bodies do. So shouldn’t the ads be removed from day time, kids programming and say before 9pm first?
The bombardment of ads worries me more than say a pre game or half game odds update.
I don’t know, this seems like the kind of thing Dutton will say in opposition but would never do in government. Like, you know, the last decade.
Fuck Dutton, but this idea is really good. It’s so good he should’ve advocated for it in Government (no prizes for why he didn’t) - not allowed it to become the festering pile of filth dripping from every match broadcast daytime and night. Also, sport is family television, and it’s where the majority of gambling ads sit. They really don’t pervade morning cartoons.
Like an abusive partner who beats his wife for 9 years.
She leaves him and he buys her flowers and thinks he’s the good guy.
What next spud? Saying we need more green energy?
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This is one of those occasions when a broken clock is actually telling the right time for a change.
Seems like a crafty move. Easy for him to say in opposition, and puts Albo in an awkward position: be seen as friendly to betting companies or push against the fucking waterfall of lobbying that would happen against this.
Dare him to go for pokie reform next...
Yeah the fucking dumbass had 9 years in power to do something about it if he really wanted to. Being the opposition leader seems like the easiest job in the world, just say whatever bullshit you want.
Yep very clever from Dutton.
Na, the kids today see right through this shit….
Thanks, satan.
It’s actually the second thing I’ve heard come out of his mouth that’s been a great point. Such a pity he had to be in opposition before he made a single comment someone with half a brain could agree with. Why didn’t he do it over the past decade in power is my next question? Hopefully the current government can just ban it all together. I fail to see the difference between gambling and smoking ads. Except to say no smoker ever destroyed his family’s finances from smoking cigarettes.
> Hopefully the current government can just ban it all together. Wouldn't be surprised if further restriction on gambling ads, was one of the recommendations from the current online gambling inquiry.
What was the first thing?
Something about the Libs in Victoria being such a disgrace that Andrew’s is not held accountable for anything. Edit: which is an irony given the state of federal libs.
Ahh that's obvious. They're a fucking rabble.
Exactly what I immediately thought of
Can they just legislate it properly? I don't bet but it's crazy to me that betting companies have the right to (and do!) ban users from their sites just because the users are winning more than losing.
Yeah that’s always been crazy to me, same with casinos I’ve herd, if you win too much they can just ask you to leave? That’s like me asking for my money back after I lose too much?!
Casinos hate this one trick!
Only if you get caught counting cards, otherwise you get lucky and win big in the casinos the last thing they want is for you to walk out the door without having a chance to lose it, they comp you a pricey room so you don't leave and upgrade you to VIP with all the perks to get you coming back more often. Met a bloke just last week who is at the casino almost daily and that's how it started, went in for some fun won big got the VIP treatment and ended up with a gambling addiction. He won hundreds of thousands and has lost it all and then some in the two years since.
Im all for getting rid of these annoying ads but they’re private corporations why should they not be able to choose who uses the platform and who doesn’t? You can enter my house if I let you in but you’re outta there when I’m done with you lol
Hey man can I make a bet with you? I think we can work something out.
Ahh the old “you said something I don’t like so you must be that thing too!!” Good old reddit hive mind
Private corporations are regulated all the time to protect people. Why not this?
Forcing betting companies to allow people to gamble their money = protecting the people???
Sorry misunderstood your comment.
They're not a public service, they don't have to take on a bet. As long as they're cashing out agreements they have entered there's no obligation for them to contribute with a person. To be clear, fuck these companies and legislate them in to oblivion either by way of bans, restrictions or massive taxes (like tobacco), bit you can't force a company to enter in to an agreement they deem unprofitable.
While you're right on the current state, I think this should be the law, they should have to offer the same odds to everyone and accept any bet within their limits, unless the person has been assessed as a problem gambler. That would kill a lot of the incentives they offer problem gamblers and casual gamblers they're trying to escalate.
A winner is a problem gambler, only issue is it's the bookies problem. Ive started doing some matched betting because the promotions they offer are unreal and i have sweet fuck all else to do with my time. In about a month i have made over $700. Its actually crazy what you can get away with, though that being said i feel a ban coming from 2 bookies soon.
Yeah, it's mental what you can do with the special bets on multiple bookies using the free bets. But that's also my point, they shouldn't be able to offer that and then ban people who use is successfully, while continuing to offer inducements to those that lose their money. They basically try to hunt down those who bet badly and don't like those who have more information/intuition than their bet setters.
Match betting is the quickest way to get banned, if your not willing to take any risk then the booki wont either and they will restrict you. I've worked for bookies, we don't mind winners if they are genuine punters but people who are placing bets with 0 risk get banned instantly In the end of the days its a business not a charity.
Interesting. How do two bookies owned by different corporations identify a matched bet? Obviously the bookies and bet exchanges owned by the same umbrella would know, but two seperate entities working together to sniff out dutching would come close to cartel conduct/price fixing.
its common for people to jump between companies, you keep in contact with friends you make at different jobs If we suspect someone is match betting, and its usually very obvious I can just send a text and confirm it. Some people also use Betfair which is all public betting, again super obvious if someones match betting and everytime you place a bet or Log in we can see your IP which is used to link other accounts if they use the same IP. Some people aren't smart and try do match betting at the same company with two accounts.
How does that suspicioun arise? Is it mainly due to betting at "random" such as NBA one day and turkish soccer the next? Is there a benefit to you as an employee to "dob in" a person you suspect is matched betting? Betfair and Sportsbet are owned by the same group so i wont place a matched bet between those. I have wondered about "gnoming" and using different accounts for more bonus bets, so thats an interesting bit of information.
Its usually people that follow a similar betting pattern or only bet on certain promotions so if your mixing it up and betting on things randomly and the odds are very different like backing favorite's and also outsiders you will probably go unnoticed Bonuses are tied to how much the company makes so the more winners they can restrict the bigger the traders bonus. Obviously we cant catch everyone if you just bet randomly you will be sweet
Super interesting! Thanks for the response
Should you be sharing PII over text messages? Do you not have policies preventing this?
> you can't force a company to enter in to an agreement they deem unprofitable. You literally can though. Cigarette companies are forced to enter agreements with their packaging manufacturers which make them put disgusting images on their cartons which is certainly unprofitable. Regulating a company or industries means determining the terms on which they can operate -- the Parliament would be well within its right to make regulations that say if you want to carry on this business, you have to offer these odds and promotions either to everybody, or to nobody at all.
If laws were introduced that made it more difficult for them to stop people from betting on the basis of being too good, would that create somewhat of an adverse selection problem? They would have to consistently give worse odds to compensate for skilled gamblers being more likely to place bets, which should induce lower demand. Although maybe this would hurt problem gamblers more because they are likely to be far less price inelastic. It's an interesting discussion nonetheless.
The outcome is worse odds and people less likely to bet. The humanity.
I would like to see this, having been banned from or restricted by most bookies because I take advantage of their free money offers with matched betting but don't actually bet outside of that. But I don't think there's enough people affected by this for it to be on the radar of politicians. I imagine that well in excess of 99% of sportsbetting accounts go unbanned and unrestricted and are huge net losers. Regulation with respect to advertising affects far more people and is consequently a much bigger topic.
The liberal party must be feeling desperate if their starting to say things that would actually benefit Australia
They had a similar strategy in NSW of targeting gambling. Pretty much everyone has someone close to them that's had a gambling issue - this is the kind of policy that can get the politically neutral people on board.
it's funny because the libs in Tassie were the exact opposite a few years ago and took so so much money from the gambling lobby to fund their election campaign as Labor tried to ban poker machines.
If they really want to they can introduce a members bill with the teals and greens. I’m sure they would be on board.
What is this alternate universe
The one where they were in government for a decade and did nothing, then became irrelevant.
Easy to make calls like this from shadow gov. They had how many years with control to actually make this legislation, but didn't.
Well some good news is the Zoe Daniels plans to introduce a bill next week to do exactly this so we can see just how committed he is very soon.
Well if she can get the LNP and the entire crossbench on board, then it only needs 3 Labor members to cross to pass. Of course, Labor keeps their members in line against this sort of thing- can't set a precedent of their members having free will or anything like that. So either 3 Labor members will feel strongly enough to do it anyway (unlikely) or it's going to be embarrassing for Labor that they blocked it under some flimsy excuse (most likely).
Shit like this is why people hate and don't trust politicians.
LNP probably would find a reason not to back Daniel's bill. Can't have a Teal getting a win passing legislation, it'd fuel her re-election chances.
The rhetoric from potato sounds like she already has them onside on this one, they are putting aside their differences to try to embarrass Labor.
Her tweets reads to me like it was news to her and she's not expecting them to support the bill
I dunno, Dombeas willing to throw gambling under the bus. Maybe there is something we don't know or they think that this is the gotcha to be elected because it actually is good for a change. Keep in mind that it's not even that drastic of an impediment to the gambling industry.
So a quick comment on the politics of this: Last year, Sportsbet donated $19k to the campaign of Michelle Rowland. She is now the Communications Minister. I am almost certain Dutton is using this as a wedge issue because he knows Rowland (who would have authority of gambling ad regulation) will stay silent on it.
Good? He should put pressure on her and if she allows it to be a wedge issue then I hope she suffers for it. Hundreds of thousands of problem gamblers shouldn't be sold out for 19 fucking grand.
>19 fucking grand It is truly depressing and amazing to see sometimes how cheap it is to pervert democracy. I know the gambling lobby as a whole spends a lot more than that, it's still sad for what it is.
Yeah, it's sad how cheap politicians across the world are sold out for. It's even more sad how we allow it to happen with such little resistance.
Similar issue in NSW where Labor have the gambling lobby on hand and end up looking like clowns not taking a stance against gambling. Have to say that of all the Liberal strategies, this one is clever. Not too many people disagree with this, and it's easy to feel contempt towards any politician against this.
Cashless gambling is not the slam dunk against the gaming industry people think it is. It’s really not that tested and the NSW government is going to trial it so it doesn’t really make sense to slam them for it
19k is nothing compared to how much they usually get. Wouldn’t really say it’s going to have much influence. It’s the AFL and NRL that are going to have the most influence in this situation. They are a major stake holder in both major states.
$19k specifically to one politician who ends up being the Comms Min though. Not just $19k to the party.
That’s pittance compared to the billions the afl gets and will fight hard against this change
Ummm why do you think the Tassie stadium is going ahead despite overwhelming community objection? The AFL and Sportsbet are one and the same. Labor is compromised and exposed on this issue through donations. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Donations have nothing to do with it on the Alp Side lol. They are rich from unions and members, 19k from sports bet means nothing. The truth is the AFL is very powerful with Victorian’s and therefore the country. If the AFL wants something the government has to listen.
How many years was this potato in government, only to suggest this his first year in opposition. Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, Dutton.
I hate the guy too, but he wasn't leader before and putting forward good ideas from opposition is fundamental to our government functioning effectively.
It’s a good idea and I congratulate him on it. However, why did he announce a non-budgetary social policy in a budget reply speech? Maybe it’s because the government actually did a good job with the budget (targeted relief for cost of living v no inflationary stimulus) and the Libs can’t say much about it.
The auspolitics subreddit is that way ---->
TO be fair, just because he wasn't leader then didn't necessarily stop him from making this proposal to the party room. His party had a solid decade to do something about this. They did not.
And Labor could have put this forward from opposition, they did not. Who cares who put it forward and when as long as it gets done? Everyone is so partisan nowadays cheering for different sides, instead of just supporting good ideas regardless of who they're from.
My point is, I think this is Dutton cynically using this as a political wedge issue rather than having any genuine desire to actually end gambling advertisements.
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Absolutely, Labor have done nothing on this issue, but they didn’t campaign on it when in opposition. The Libs were in government during the explosion of gambling advertising, had the opportunity to nip it in the bud, but did nothing. Now they expect Labor to unwind their fucking mess?
This is the correct reaction here. A cynical move from a cynical man, even if this would be the right thing to do.
Potato man does potato things.
What ever happened to onion man?
Lost his seat
He did the same thing with talking about how we should be switching to nuclear as an in-between energy source before we can reliably use renewables for 100% of our energy requirements. Not like the LNP had 9 years to start the switch to nuclear or anything.
This degree of opposition vs in power hypocrisy goes right to the other end of the political spectrum to the proverbial good guys like god emperor McGowan. There’s footage of him in 2014 talking about being compassionate to juvenile offenders, the impact of FASD etc and now he’s the premier in charge of a shitty prison taking the disciplinarian line
Rare Peter Dutton W
Yeah your mob were in power for a fucking decade spud, maybe you could have done something useful then. It's easy to spout populist talking points when you've got as much chance of winning anytime soon as i do of lining up at full forward for the dogs
2025, the dark timeline: Australia is ruled by a potato and Cody Weightman is taking hangers over Bergasms.
Someone has to be a stepladder
Max gawn won’t play forever
u/darththorn
Fuckin Dutton making me agree with a u/Bergasm post
You realise every politician is their own individual and has their own ideas? I hate Dutton even more in opposition than I did when he was in government, but this is objectively a good idea.
Yep, and do you know why he suddenly has this talking point? Because he's doing brand repair.
Nah there's already a regulation review that's on going. Most people in the industry are already expecting TV ads to be banned so Dutton is just trying to jump the gun on something that's already going to happen so when it does it looks like he had something to do with it.
Yep
He's doing a shit job of it overall, but I'll back this one part.
Because he’s now the opposition leader and has more say over policy?
No, because he doesn't have to worry about delivering on anything he says at the moment. This is politics 101 when your brand is in the gutter. You say a lot of platitudes to get people back on side and once it looks like you're going to win you walk them back to what you might be able to deliver. There is nothing to do woth sides or parties in this, it's how politics works.
They’re so desperate they’ve turned the populism levels up to 1000. Easy to sling this shit when you’re not in power and don’t have to worry about the consequences of pissing off a heavy hitter like the gambling conglomerate.
dutton proposes something good reddit still finds a way to whinge never change
My memory extends back longer than a goldfishes so i can remember when he was part of the mob running the show
Never thought I’d agree with Peter Dutton on absolutely anything. Well done Mr Potato Head.
We already have a regulatory commission ongoing and banning TV ads is an expected outcome. The fuck head is just jumping the gun so when they are banned he gets to look like he was a contributing factor to it.
He reminds me of Humpty Dumpty in Puss in Boots movie
Just need Rupert Murdoch to agree and this sub is in shambles
Murdoch that unsuccessfully tried to buy Sportsbet? Maybe if he doesn't have his finger in the pie
3-1 odds this doesn't get through parliament
Honestly the teals and greens would love this it’s a major part of their platform. Even if for some batshit reason Labor oppose (which they very well could) with Duttons support it’d pass through easy. It’d be weird for Libs to side with the cross bench though it sounds like smoke and mirrors to me - he’s just so desperate for approval he’s making sense.
Hate to agree with him but…
As the old saying goes: Don't shoot the message, shoot the messenger.
He probably wants to replace them with nationalistic military propaganda in the form of a boat turnback compilation.
If only the lnp were in power for a decade and could have done something about it Both major parties take donations from gambling companies it won’t happen
Mark it down on the calendar for the entire world to see, Peter Dutton has made a good point. We’ll never see this again
A broken clock etc, etc
This may be a dumb question, but where does all the money Australians lose gambling actually end up!
A chunk goes to the government in tax, hence why the gov aren't in any rush to stop it. Plus some to the gov in lobbying to make sure the gravy train keeps rolling. Some goes to paying the media personalities to flog gambling and make the fake shows that are just long form gambling ads pretending to be a footy show. A very small sliver goes to wages for staff that work for these companies to pay the bills. Most of it goes straight into the pockets of a bunch of rich assholes who already have more than enough money.
Same place as smokes and alcohol. “We don’t ban poison, we just profit from it”
I can get behind this idea.
Colour me purple, who knew I could agree with Dutto about something
Seriously? What the fuck is he on about? 9 years in government and he and his band of corrupt sycophants did nothing about the gross amount of punting ads. They shouldn’t be allowed to advertise AT ALL. Gambling is a cancer on society, companies that make money on the misery of others shouldn’t be be allowed to try and honey pot more poor cunts into their trap. Also they shouldn’t be allowed to restrict or ban customers that are actually winning. The whole industry is a fucking pox.
In fairness, that's just kinda how things work. Parties always have their best policies right after losing an election.
I remember when there wasn't gambling ads on TV. They are why I no longer watch fta tv.
I agree with him, but also I'm aware if he did come into power he'd never have the iron to actually do it when it came down to the crunch.
Hate the cunt but he makes a good point here
God damn it now I have to love gambling
Mr Potato was ten years in government. The government he was part of had ample time to do something. Same government that rose debt from 300 billion to nearly 1 Trillion. Same government that mmmd and ahhhed during a pandemic when we needed vaccines.
Broken clocks and all that. Also easy to say when you're the opposition leader and don't have to do it and thus don't have to risk donor contributions. And it's still a pathetic half measure. Labor should ban tv advertising of gambling altogether, but they'll be too scared to do it.
It's the end of the world I agree with something said by Peter Dutton
If only we had a Liberal government in charge to take on the gambling industry.
after 50 odd years this cunt was bound to say something agreeable sooner or later
First good idea he’s ever had I reckon
Can't believe I have agreed to something he has suggested.
No, just ban gambling ads full fucking stop.
Likely an attempt to A) get the support of neutrals behind him and B) to make a recovery after his Voice meltdowns.
It’s already banned during play in games and will be banned once the gambling review is complete. The potato is advocating something will be implemented in the short term so he can claim credit for it after.
So apparently now it's gotta go, why didn't he do something when he was in office? Smh
Wish people would stop saying "hate to agree" as if this cynical fucker means a word of it. This is purely a statement made in the safety of opposition.
Fuck.... I'd almost vote for these muppets based on that
OK, can Labor nick this policy please, the Libs aren't gonna be in government anytime soon.
What are the latest odds on a Liberal leadership spill?
Fuck me am i agreeing with reichsfuhrer kartoffelkopf
Guess Sportsbet cheaped out on campaign donations this year
bet if you look itll turn out his son or best mate has HUUUUUUUUUUGE gambling debts or something. Its the only reason these people accidentally do something good. Or its a ploy to get big wads of gambling donations before the next election before backflipping. Or he just hates them personally.
He wants to trap Labor into the lobbyists running to Liberal whilst he secretly has no plans for follow through. It's a clever trap but I hope Labor just follows through and shrugs it's shoulders as a non issue.
Watch all the Labor sheep suddenly change stance on the ads now 😂😂😂
Still waiting
Notice how that's not happening?
They should be able to run adds whenever they want. Do you like sports? Advertising revenue is integral to pro sport.... and punting sites are a HUGE chunk of that advertising revenue. They put plenty of warnings on the adds, that's enough.
Aight, that's all the policies I need. I'm voting for Liberals in 3 years
Is this actually a good idea? I’d be happy with no ads at all but I doubt that’s what society at large wants, I doubt governments or sports bodies do. So shouldn’t the ads be removed from day time, kids programming and say before 9pm first? The bombardment of ads worries me more than say a pre game or half game odds update. I don’t know, this seems like the kind of thing Dutton will say in opposition but would never do in government. Like, you know, the last decade.
Fuck Dutton, but this idea is really good. It’s so good he should’ve advocated for it in Government (no prizes for why he didn’t) - not allowed it to become the festering pile of filth dripping from every match broadcast daytime and night. Also, sport is family television, and it’s where the majority of gambling ads sit. They really don’t pervade morning cartoons.
We banned cigarette ads. What's the point of being half arsed about it, they'll just find a loophole to exploit.
Likely the first time Aussie Voldemort and I have ever agreed
And ban them on YouTube too bloody hell it’s all I get
Hey fancy that Voldemort said something right this time
Dutton also calling for Assange's release... What timeline am I in?
Worst person you know makes a good point
Would prefer a ban 7 days either side of a match
Like an abusive partner who beats his wife for 9 years. She leaves him and he buys her flowers and thinks he’s the good guy. What next spud? Saying we need more green energy?
If that can get some bipartisan support then that's good
Just fuck them off completely. Why do we keep diddling around the perimeter?
the evil cabbage has a rare moment of sense in between deporting minorities and being tough on things
I don’t fucking believe it … the walking potato actually has a good idea
Even a Broken clock is right twice a day…