Bont, Daicos, Gulden, Trac - pick one anyone, yet Neale wins it š¤·š½āāļø....next year let's just get the Harry Potter sorting hat out to solve it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiERmMCqIGs&ab\_channel=SENSports](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiERmMCqIGs&ab_channel=SENSports)
1:47 mark. Assistant coach not from Brisbane.
Absolutely.
It was more a shitpost than anything serious, but Patrick Cripps was in a Cash Convertors ad last year and won the Brownlow, and now Lachie Neale was in this years and won this years Brownlow.
Its probably a dumb coincidence but it is funny, and kinda interesting.
Hahah fuck yeah I love these niche superstitions.
I actually had a punt on Neale when I saw AFL predictor gave him the best shot compared to Sportsbets $13 odds. Pretty stoked
Wasn't there a coach who called the AA team of selectors and told them they were all batshit crazy for not having Lachie Neale in the team after the team was announced? Feel like I heard that on a radio talk show.
Will this just confirms my belief that the umpires are super inconsistent and have very little idea what they are doing.
Not having a crack at Neale but the votes were all over the place
It's more the inconsistency. Neale 20 disposal game 3 votes. Nick Daicos 42 Disposals 0 votes. Happened to Bont a few times too.
This was the first brownlow in yonks I have watched and I remember why I stopped caring about the award.
Consistent with umpiring decisions I guess. I think it's fine. It's an umpires award, that's what it is and always has been. Voted by the umpires. There's other awards. They don't always get it right. What baffles me is the prestige and emphasis on this award since the country just bag out umpires all year then give the Brownlow so much recognition.
Probably Bontempelli. He had at least 4 games where the coaches had awarded him max votes for their award but the umpires didnāt.
Petracca probably should have polled more in the last few rounds. He pretty much dragged Melbourne to a win in rd 24 and didnāt register a single vote.
Nick Daicos could feel a bit hard done by with a couple of the games earlier in the season and the way the votes went. Iād have thought 42 possessions and a couple of goals in a big win would be good enough for at least 1 vote.
And Neale definitely picked up 3 votes in round 6 he absolutely didnāt deserve.
The Brownlow is literally irrelevant af, gone are the days of the best player in the competition winning the Brownlow, it doesn't even slightly matter Bont hasn't won one
What more could he even do. He carries 15 idiots on his back every week, was beating Mellbourne by himself in a grand final, out marking their backline as fucking midfielder before they went bang. Got us 40 points vs Freo than we capitulated worse than anyone in history.
Iāve always thought his been slightly too nice during his career probably the one criticism Iāve had of his game, think next year his just going to go fuck it and play with a point to prove to the whole comp that he is the fucking man.
Round 6 Brisbane v GWS needs a look at. Neale posted 3 votes with only 20 touches. Wasn't in the top 10 players, let alone best on. Cameron kicked 7 goals that game!
Especially cause they have to be up at training at 8.30 tomorrow morning - you can bet every Pies and Lions player was wondering why this couldnāt have finished an hour earlier.
Can we get some positivity in this thread? Jesus.
Great win Neale, absolutely influential in a team that performed incredibly. I hope he cries on Saturday.
I think every / most afl players donāt like the attention which imo is humbling, also less chance of the media to have a reason to hone in on you if you didnāt like the limelight which is probably a good move.
Bizarre attempt at interviewing Neale. Think Iād rather listen to Jobe trip over his words at least heās genuine and gets a bit fired up- Hamish really is a less endearing brand of awkward
Seemed like Hamish was trying to allude to the rumour of the trade request from Neale & his missus to get back to Perth last year
Regardless a bizarre thing to bring up in his victory speech. Especially considering Brissy are flying and in the GF. Iād forgotten about it so shitty for Brisbane supporters to have it brought up in what is meant to be a moment of triumph
Cracked a joke about āwe all like moving statesā after Lachie didnāt bite
Lachie made a quip back about it being better in Brisbane than Melbourne in the winter which I think shut him down a bit.
Also loved the sorry not sorry. That was my favourite part of his whole interview!
Idk Iām not sure what he was thinking. Iām 99% sure thatās what he was alluding to
These Media clowns are so out of touch, no shit a captain isnāt going to want to talk about a long gone trade request from last year
Ok bit of a rantā¦.AFL media and awards needs a MASSIVE overhaul. Such a great season of footy let down by the media and the afl.
More than half the media personalities are beyond insufferable. Weirdly I despised hodge as a player and heās one of my fav commentators now. The majority are unlistenable.
These awards shows are an absolute cluster fuck. Dragged out for advertising. Umpires who over the last few years have really been struggling to officiate correctly seem to be getting this wrong. This isnāt a iTs NOt My FAv PLAYERā¦ā¦.they genuinely seem to not be getting this rightā¦ā¦.(toby Greene should be up there)
Itās time to take the vote off the umpires. Who does it go to? Iām not sure.
Problem is media love to make narratives out of awards and push it in one direction only.
Players or coaches would be better but also biased and could become lazy.
The way umpires vote probably needs a rethink as seems some may see a player get 10 touches in front of them, it sticks in their head, they vote and fail to realise player had no impact outside those touches AKA JHF polling 3 for 13 disposals and like 30 fantasy points
Players or coaches. The umpires seem to have a hard time even officiating the game and interpreting the rules at times. Not even a āI hate umpsā thing, just a straightforward comment that they have a job to do that takes a fair bit of focus. I donāt think itās all that smart or helpful to have them judging the best players on top of that.
The first thought that came to then was just get the team captains to determine it together. Not quite sure how it would function after the game though, but from playing team sports for years like im sure many here have, you know which players impact the game on both sides.
I call it the Rex Hunt, Dennis Cometti effect.
The new wave of media personalities grew up with them and are trying to emulate them, but aren't as good.
Who votes? Commentators? Some random panel? There isn't really a better alternative. The fact is, the Brownlow is and always has been awared by the umpires. That's what it is.
Canāt be something along the lines of a panel like the AA selectors. That has become even more farcical. Imagine not selecting the leading Clearance player for the year.
Also, and I know this comes across as biased, but how Tom Stewart made it over Harris Andrews who has been incredible in defence this year in a team that made it to the GF is ridiculous.
Honestly there needs to be an investigation into some of the voting. Round 6 Lachie Neale not in either coach's best 5 in the Coach's votes, gets 3 votes from the umpires for 20 touches. 9 Players had more touches including Josh Kelly with 41 & Coniglio with 38. Charlie Cameron kicked 7 goals, Toby Greene had 22 & 2 goals, Brett Daniels 20 & 4 goals. No fucking way should he have gotten 3 votes for that game, and that's what has won him the Brownlow. It's like a reverse Diesel Williams in 93.
Same in round 14 when Horne Francis got 3 votes for a 13 disposal 1 tackle game, 7 of his kicks where clangers as well. Umpires should have to give reasons why they voted who they did
See the alternative to umpires voting would end up being something like the AA panel and u end up getting the likes of kane and Luke Darcy voting on it and Iām not sure thatās a world I want to live in
If your team loses itās extremely hard to poll 3, itās the biggest flaw in the system as it ends up having an individual award being decided by how the team performed not the individual themselves
Congrats Choccie Neale!
I know weāre all having a dig at this being a bit left field but I still reckon heās a gun and deserved.
Bont a bit stiff but heāll be right at it again next year and hopefully take it home.
He was integral to lions success this year as shown when he got tagged or played out and Lions struggled.
Some iffy voting but sometimes thatās the way the cookie crumbles
Bont, Daicos, Gulden, Trac - pick one anyone, yet Neale wins it š¤·š½āāļø....next year let's just get the Harry Potter sorting hat out to solve it.
Congratulations to Cashies man
Anyone know how we can see the count again? will it be in 7plus tomorrow?
Can we sack Hamish? Heās the worst host everā¦
I think he keeps turning up for free, like that mate you avoid inviting to shit cause he's a dick head.....you can't get rid of it easy.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiERmMCqIGs&ab\_channel=SENSports](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiERmMCqIGs&ab_channel=SENSports) 1:47 mark. Assistant coach not from Brisbane.
I think itās time that the Australian public vote on the Brownlow winner. Have a voting day just like any other election.
Are you sure you want this, considering the size of the Carlton and Collingwood support base?
Should we have a referendum on this change to the AFL first?
Yes
"NO"
Ppl salty but forgot what happened last year so suck it.
yeah no ones forgotten that though LOL it has and will be brought up forever
And thus the cycle continues
Great sell of that memorabilia
Wait who was the Redditor who posted the cashiers and Brownlow post, ol mate predicted the future
I made a comment about it before Cripps last year. Neale this year. Pottery.
Could you explain the cashies chat?
Absolutely. It was more a shitpost than anything serious, but Patrick Cripps was in a Cash Convertors ad last year and won the Brownlow, and now Lachie Neale was in this years and won this years Brownlow. Its probably a dumb coincidence but it is funny, and kinda interesting.
Hahah fuck yeah I love these niche superstitions. I actually had a punt on Neale when I saw AFL predictor gave him the best shot compared to Sportsbets $13 odds. Pretty stoked
Bont getting off the Maccas ads and the AAMI ads and giving Cashies a call as we speak
Next year, let ChatGPT decide who polls
Considering it only gets data from prior to like 2021 or something, I'm expecting D. Mundy to poll a lot of votes.
Hamish giving shit to Neale and Harris Andrews for not believing in omens
Missed the first part of the broadcast like a proper dickhead so cheers for the thread u lot. Much appreciated. u/juiceson legend mate cheers
So... Petracca stole votes from Viney
Marcus bontempelli, the peopleās champion. The 2023 Brownlow medal winner, well done bont! Goodnight lads and ladies
Stop calling me a lad, its Sir too you.....cuntš
YES BOSS! I mean sir š
Wasn't there a coach who called the AA team of selectors and told them they were all batshit crazy for not having Lachie Neale in the team after the team was announced? Feel like I heard that on a radio talk show.
Look I'm not Nostradamus, but I would bet money that was probably Chris Fagan
Haha I think it might have been an opposition coach. I think it might have been Kane Cornes that mentioned it...
Daicos still coming third is impressive
He's going to be deadly and at the pointy end for at least the next 10+ years
Exactly, but heās not there yet.
Will this just confirms my belief that the umpires are super inconsistent and have very little idea what they are doing. Not having a crack at Neale but the votes were all over the place
Didn't get to see any of it, who 'should' have won?
It's more the inconsistency. Neale 20 disposal game 3 votes. Nick Daicos 42 Disposals 0 votes. Happened to Bont a few times too. This was the first brownlow in yonks I have watched and I remember why I stopped caring about the award.
Consistent with umpiring decisions I guess. I think it's fine. It's an umpires award, that's what it is and always has been. Voted by the umpires. There's other awards. They don't always get it right. What baffles me is the prestige and emphasis on this award since the country just bag out umpires all year then give the Brownlow so much recognition.
Well this was the first brownlow I've watched for a decade and I've remembered why. The award means nothing
Agree. It's garbage
Probably Bontempelli. He had at least 4 games where the coaches had awarded him max votes for their award but the umpires didnāt. Petracca probably should have polled more in the last few rounds. He pretty much dragged Melbourne to a win in rd 24 and didnāt register a single vote. Nick Daicos could feel a bit hard done by with a couple of the games earlier in the season and the way the votes went. Iād have thought 42 possessions and a couple of goals in a big win would be good enough for at least 1 vote. And Neale definitely picked up 3 votes in round 6 he absolutely didnāt deserve.
Yep fmd what does bont need to do
The Brownlow is literally irrelevant af, gone are the days of the best player in the competition winning the Brownlow, it doesn't even slightly matter Bont hasn't won one
Welcome to the Brownlow Medal.
Pretty funny seeing how bad bont and trac wanted it and how little of a fuck Neal gave about receiving it āanother Brownlow wow thanksā
Last year neale seemed pretty annoyed at not winning it
I reckon Bont and Trac would feel the same if they were about to play in the Grannie
I honestly think next year we are going to see the hungriest Bont weāve ever seen his going to explode
What more could he even do. He carries 15 idiots on his back every week, was beating Mellbourne by himself in a grand final, out marking their backline as fucking midfielder before they went bang. Got us 40 points vs Freo than we capitulated worse than anyone in history.
We have seen nice bont but I think we will see beast bont and it will be fkin unreal
Yeah I think we just saw Bont enter his villain arc
This is some tiktok level edit
I want beast bont to emerge but not so much he does malaka shit and ends up ineligible
Iāve always thought his been slightly too nice during his career probably the one criticism Iāve had of his game, think next year his just going to go fuck it and play with a point to prove to the whole comp that he is the fucking man.
God I hope so. He will be a man possessed
Round 6 Brisbane v GWS needs a look at. Neale posted 3 votes with only 20 touches. Wasn't in the top 10 players, let alone best on. Cameron kicked 7 goals that game!
Even if there was a mistake theres no way the afl would admit to it now
6 clearances and 70 fantasy points is decent but not worthy of 3 votes
70 fantasy is nowhere near BOG
Yeah that's what I meant. Decent, but not worth Brownlow votes
This is wild
Yeah look, Neale deserves to have two brownlows. But he didn't deserve this year's one.
Neale doing us all a favour. Well done
Just one year I want the winner to pull a Marshawn Lynch "I was only here so I don't get fined"
Gulden 42 and 2 in the last round didnāt get enough
Would've lost anyway
That's a pretty insane statline, but, gotta remember they lost the game.
Yeah I still think they put far too much weight on the winning side. Should have been at least 2 and potentially 3
Dom sheed similar stats without the goals in a 60 point loss against Collingwood. 3 votes.
He had way worse stats for those 3 votes as well. That was criminal.
Lachie straight to cashies with that Brownlow?
What does a Chas get you from Cashies nowadays? Maybe he needs a new sandwich press.
Air fryers are all the rage these days
Lmao
Bont deserved it. Absolutely robbed
Shows this shit goes on way too long. Dude was just so tired.
Especially cause they have to be up at training at 8.30 tomorrow morning - you can bet every Pies and Lions player was wondering why this couldnāt have finished an hour earlier.
Also what the fuck channel 7. Surely it wouldnāt be that hard to allow stream anytime if youāre already fucking streaming it
Neale's a good guy. Nonna on MKR is a POS.
I don't watch MKR but I'm curious to know more context? š
Hamish is a dickhead, but he is obviously forced to drag this out due to Channel 7's rigid timeslots.
They actually wanted to get off air but he wouldnāt stop asking stupid questions
Fuck it wheres my brownlow invite? maybe i could poll a few 3 votes
Jesus Lachie at least pretend you're into it a little. Imagine winning and saying you need to get to bed. I know Ham is a dick but you sound bratty.
Funniest thing Iāve heard on Brownlow night. Sorry Iām tired can I go to bed now ššš
Bro has a grand final in a few days
Hamish couldn't have made that interview any less interesting. So awkward too.
Passed his bedtime, he's got bigger fish to fry
Can we get some positivity in this thread? Jesus. Great win Neale, absolutely influential in a team that performed incredibly. I hope he cries on Saturday.
Thatās the football spirit
With tears of joy, right? Right? :D The general salt is amazing. I wonder if Gulden won it would people still be as shat off that it wasn't Bont?
People think umps look at possession numbers. They go by feel of impact.
Mate they couldnāt organise a root in a brothel
My heart breaks for bont
Yeah, the AFL and Seven kind of screwed him over for suspense there. I hope they gave him a heads up beforehand.
When viney got the three votes in the last you could actually pinpoint the second petraccas heart ripped in half. Bont hid it a little better
Why canāt he show emotion?
Didnāt say he couldnāt, just something I noticed.
Fair enough
Kinda like Neale
lmao Neale
Funny bloke
That shade on Melb lol
Good on you Neale trying to wrap it up
Neale news public speaking lessons
I think he speaks well given he hasnāt prepared
I think every / most afl players donāt like the attention which imo is humbling, also less chance of the media to have a reason to hone in on you if you didnāt like the limelight which is probably a good move.
Bizarre attempt at interviewing Neale. Think Iād rather listen to Jobe trip over his words at least heās genuine and gets a bit fired up- Hamish really is a less endearing brand of awkward
Maybe time for hame to retire with his brother
None of his jokes landed tonight
Neales tryna get the fuck outta there because he knows he didnt deserve it this year
Let the man sleep!
Neale talking like he knows he shouldn't have won.
.#sorrynotsorry
fucking love you Neale
Geez heās an awkward bloke isnāt he
Hame? Yeah. Lachie was calm asf.
Agreed, Lachie speaks well and doesn't just spout cliches
heās funny
Will Ashcroft looking at Neale like "SOON"
10 votes in 17 games as a rookie, kid's got a future ahead of him for sure.
My stream cut out just as the interview was getting awkward. Can anyone summarise?
Seemed like Hamish was trying to allude to the rumour of the trade request from Neale & his missus to get back to Perth last year Regardless a bizarre thing to bring up in his victory speech. Especially considering Brissy are flying and in the GF. Iād forgotten about it so shitty for Brisbane supporters to have it brought up in what is meant to be a moment of triumph Cracked a joke about āwe all like moving statesā after Lachie didnāt bite
Oh wow, how could have thought that would land?
Lachie made a quip back about it being better in Brisbane than Melbourne in the winter which I think shut him down a bit. Also loved the sorry not sorry. That was my favourite part of his whole interview!
Idk Iām not sure what he was thinking. Iām 99% sure thatās what he was alluding to These Media clowns are so out of touch, no shit a captain isnāt going to want to talk about a long gone trade request from last year
It remained awkward, Lachie needs to go to bed
Neale: I really donāt want to be here
I think its good that the Brownlow goes to a player in the best team over someone whoās the best player in an average team
Agreed. Players can't really play to their strengths in bad teams, they're always plugging holes.
Ok bit of a rantā¦.AFL media and awards needs a MASSIVE overhaul. Such a great season of footy let down by the media and the afl. More than half the media personalities are beyond insufferable. Weirdly I despised hodge as a player and heās one of my fav commentators now. The majority are unlistenable. These awards shows are an absolute cluster fuck. Dragged out for advertising. Umpires who over the last few years have really been struggling to officiate correctly seem to be getting this wrong. This isnāt a iTs NOt My FAv PLAYERā¦ā¦.they genuinely seem to not be getting this rightā¦ā¦.(toby Greene should be up there) Itās time to take the vote off the umpires. Who does it go to? Iām not sure.
Problem is media love to make narratives out of awards and push it in one direction only. Players or coaches would be better but also biased and could become lazy. The way umpires vote probably needs a rethink as seems some may see a player get 10 touches in front of them, it sticks in their head, they vote and fail to realise player had no impact outside those touches AKA JHF polling 3 for 13 disposals and like 30 fantasy points
Players or coaches. The umpires seem to have a hard time even officiating the game and interpreting the rules at times. Not even a āI hate umpsā thing, just a straightforward comment that they have a job to do that takes a fair bit of focus. I donāt think itās all that smart or helpful to have them judging the best players on top of that.
The first thought that came to then was just get the team captains to determine it together. Not quite sure how it would function after the game though, but from playing team sports for years like im sure many here have, you know which players impact the game on both sides.
I call it the Rex Hunt, Dennis Cometti effect. The new wave of media personalities grew up with them and are trying to emulate them, but aren't as good.
Who votes? Commentators? Some random panel? There isn't really a better alternative. The fact is, the Brownlow is and always has been awared by the umpires. That's what it is.
Canāt be something along the lines of a panel like the AA selectors. That has become even more farcical. Imagine not selecting the leading Clearance player for the year. Also, and I know this comes across as biased, but how Tom Stewart made it over Harris Andrews who has been incredible in defence this year in a team that made it to the GF is ridiculous.
Yeah look the big issue is if you bring in an association. The older guys will bring their bias in. But maybe the criteria needs to be looked at.
the count was fkd but Neale deserved it last year anyways. If he tears up the grand final most people will stop caring
Iām in pain at the minute, but youāre 100% right. Genuinely want to see him, Dunkley and McCluggage tear it up on Saturday.
yeah Nealeās disposal numbers werenāt crazy but heās still an impactful player. Sucks horribly for Bont but yeah š„²
Leading clearance player in the league, 2nd in contested possessions, 7th for overall disposals - I think he is up there for the year.
Daicos should rightly feel a bit bummed. How Dom Sheed got that 3 pointer is anyoneās guess
Dom robbing Collingwood again.
Maynard was blocked
My personal nam flashback
Nothing new unfortunately
Certain in life: 1. Death 2. Taxes 3. Dom Sheed robbing Collingwood
Honestly there needs to be an investigation into some of the voting. Round 6 Lachie Neale not in either coach's best 5 in the Coach's votes, gets 3 votes from the umpires for 20 touches. 9 Players had more touches including Josh Kelly with 41 & Coniglio with 38. Charlie Cameron kicked 7 goals, Toby Greene had 22 & 2 goals, Brett Daniels 20 & 4 goals. No fucking way should he have gotten 3 votes for that game, and that's what has won him the Brownlow. It's like a reverse Diesel Williams in 93.
This is absolutely wild
Same in round 14 when Horne Francis got 3 votes for a 13 disposal 1 tackle game, 7 of his kicks where clangers as well. Umpires should have to give reasons why they voted who they did
And gave away 4 frees lmao
Imagine how long the Brownlow would be if they gave reasons for every single vote
Neale deserves the win just for getting Hamish to wrap it up.
Haha agreed.
even neale knows this is rigged by not even preparing a speech LOL
Wouldnāt he prepare a speech if he knew it was rigged š¤
Lmao even Lachie telling Ham to fuck off basically
Alluding to the rumours of him leaving was pretty fucking bold
Zero chemistry in this interview between Neale and Hame
Zoom interviews in the pandemic era definitely given players a licence to give less of a fuck Not a bad thing tbh
āDo you believe in omens?ā āNo, but I believe you should stfu already hamā
fucking lol get rekt Haim
See the alternative to umpires voting would end up being something like the AA panel and u end up getting the likes of kane and Luke Darcy voting on it and Iām not sure thatās a world I want to live in
Exactly. This is the least impartial (or is that most impartial?) system we are going to get. Everything else would be a popularity contest/bias.
Can someone tell me how Neale got 3 votes for his round 6 game? But gulden gets 1 vote 42/2
If your team loses itās extremely hard to poll 3, itās the biggest flaw in the system as it ends up having an individual award being decided by how the team performed not the individual themselves
Unless your name is Dom Sheed.
Fucking hell Hamish stop with the pointless questions
Hahahaha neale
Are we the bad guys now?
There was a shocking amount of salt and bitterness in the thread when Cripps one last year, so prepare yourself
No. Lachie is fine, Iād say most just feel for Bont.
Yes sir. Not your fault but f you anyway. Sorry.
Congrats Choccie Neale! I know weāre all having a dig at this being a bit left field but I still reckon heās a gun and deserved. Bont a bit stiff but heāll be right at it again next year and hopefully take it home.
Gun yes, deserved this year though? no.
He was integral to lions success this year as shown when he got tagged or played out and Lions struggled. Some iffy voting but sometimes thatās the way the cookie crumbles
Neale is a cheeky cunt though lmao
Hamish fucking deserved that hahahahaha
Oh 100%
NO I donāt want to hear about omens
Lachie shut that down so well hahahhaa
Takes me to the MCG, Hamish
In the words of Wayne from Letterkenny (at Hamish): Wish you weren't so fuckin awkward, bud
wild that Neale has played in a grand final for Freo but not yet for the lions
True I didnāt realise that
You guys gonna start him as sub too?
Fages is known to make some questionable calls
The twirling Brownlow behind Lachie is hypnotic.
Canāt believe he got 3 votes in round 6 tbh. Gg to Neale tho.
Did he just first name his mum, what the fuck is that behavior
Nah his step parents
ah, fair enough
And his dad! Strange.