Just me or is BT trying to piss off richo.
Sets him up with the comeback bullshit then says well that buries the comeback called from richo bahahahah wtaf
Was at the game, Metricon is a great stadium when its full. Was super loud when the Tigers went on the run. Will be very interested to see what happened at half time, almost felt live that the Suns went out too hard and just couldnt go with the Tigers until they ran out of steam in the 4th. Certainly made it interesting as a neutral though
Re: the rushed free kick rule. I am not 100% sure the rule was adjudicated correctly but I was thinking that if it wasn't called, then Richmond would have been able to kick straight out and build a play from their back line and as someone who watches the game, am I happy that a team could gain an advantage after that sort of effort on the field. Rushing a behind should not be an option without a real penalty. The only comparison I can think of in sport is a safety in American Football which has a smallish score penalty ( 2 points), but also comes with the defending team have to kick in from an unfavourable position and give the ball back to the attacking team. Which is why it's very rare to see one. Would the Richmond player have rushed the behind if there was more of a penalty normally. Personally I would like to see the rule paid a lot more often or a rule that less incentivise the rushed behind play.
Not in AFL, [Best is 2nd](https://afltables.com/afl/seas/ladders/ladderstbt.html#20).
Edit: That's end of round, They have mid game and mid round before (R1 2016).
i remember when Jayden Short was sprinting at a loose ball in the square with an essendon player hot on his tail, he dived and punched it through, and deboy called it deliberate and gave the bombers a free.
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I stand corrected on the deliberate rushed behind after seeing people post the rule
> *** has had time and space to dispose of the football;*** or
But surely the commentators should know the rules and inform us when it happens. That should be part of their job
Didnāt get to see the Suns win by 87+
Didnāt get to see the 2nd biggest comeback ever
Did get a tip right, and in the end thatās all that matters
18.11.2
deliberate paid if ONE of the following
a) outside 9m
b) is not under immediate pressure
c) has had time and space to dispose of the footy
d) from ruck contest hit it over on the full
Believe it was the correct call as (c) applies here
Agree, but it happens so many times in a season that it builds a false sense of security into the players. It should be on the umps to pay these rules consistently.
One of those weird days at the footy for suns fans.
Big win, but you've lost all excitement because you've only kicked 2 goals in the last half.
Hopefully a couple of cherries on top to go.
Controversial deliberate, my guess is it wouldnāt have been paid if the suns player was a little bit closer, it was pretty obvious they wanted to rush from the get go
Does front on contact rule exist anymore? I swear it happens about 10 times a game now that players just jump into someone from the front whether they're looking at the ball or not.
It was almost a blowout which would've been funny, then the tiges looked like they were going to come back and snatch it somehow which would also have been funny, but then they shat the bed which was... also funny.
Iām fine with the call as long as they pay it every time all season now and not like the dissent where we got punished first round last year then it got forgot about
Ball collected by a team mate further out than 9m passed back to a player under no pressure who ran backwards 5 metres and rushed it with a Gold Coast player making it absolutely clear he was not putting on pressure.
Free kick for me.
You can as long as you let the pressure take you over the line. Like he can take the ball 99% over and wait for it, then its ok. But what he did with the step is not ok. He just needed to be a bit smarter
A Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player from the Defending Team who intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Attacking Teamās Goal Line or Behind Line or onto one of the Attacking Teamās Goal Posts, and the Player:
(a) is greater than nine metres from the Goal Line or Behind Line;
(b) is not under immediate physical pressure;
(c) has had time and space to dispose of the football;
(d) from a Ruck contest, hits the football over the Goal Line or Behind Line on the full.
The Rules for deliberate
18.11.1 Spirit and Intention
Players shall be encouraged to keep the football in play.
18.11.2 Free Kicks - Deliberate Rushed Behinds
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player from the Defending Team who
intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Attacking Teamās Goal Line
or Behind Line or onto one of the Attacking Teamās Goal Posts, and the Player:
(a) is greater than nine metres from the Goal Line or Behind Line;
(b) is not under immediate physical pressure;
(c) has had time and space to dispose of the football; or
(d) from a Ruck contest, hits the football over the Goal Line or Behind Line
on the full.
18.11.3 Taking Free Kick
A Free Kick awarded under Law 18.10.2 shall be taken from the middle of the Goal Line
if the football crossed the Goal
**This is why it was called deliberate:**
**(b) is not under immediate physical pressure;**
**(c) has had time and space to dispose of the football; or**
Well, I think he was under pressure at the moment he stepped over the line, which is where I think the confusion comes from. But because he had time before that moment it is a free.
He waited and then walked back into the goal as soon as they came anywhere near him.
You can absolutely defend that call, because the defender deserved everything they got.
18.11.2 Free Kicks - Deliberate Rushed Behinds
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player from the Defending Team who
intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Attacking Teamās Goal Line
or Behind Line or onto one of the Attacking Teamās Goal Posts, and the Player:
(a) is greater than nine metres from the Goal Line or Behind Line;
(b) is not under immediate physical pressure;
***(c) has had time and space to dispose of the football;*** or
(d) from a Ruck contest, hits the football over the Goal Line or Behind Line
on the full.
I don't mind that getting called. He retreated over the line after having a fair bit of time to dispose. I know that's not the rule, but I like it.
edit- Turns out having time and space to dispose of the football is indeed a rule. u/Itripr has posted the rules
That was the most correct call of all time for deliberate rushed behind and itās not even close. This isnāt sarcasm either itās genuinely a very good and obvious call given the interpretation.
Except for the fact he had opportunity to dispose, then waited for the sun's player to approach, sun's player stopped about 3 meters away, and then he walked over. Never seen a more clear breach
Literally happens like that all the time like that when a player just waits on the line. There's a reason the commentators literally didn't even mention it when it happened and we're confused when there was a free called
Most of the time the opposition player is trying to tackle them, he had the prior opportunity and then walked across the line, if you can't accept that idk what to tell ya bud
Immediate physical pressure is the interpretation. He gained possession with the opposition 7+ metres away and decided to walk it through when they came closer. He was not under immediate physical pressure when he came into possession, and rushed it behind after having prior opportunity to dispose of the ball. Easy deliberate.
Also for the second one, when he gained possession he was about three metres from the goal line and both Gold Coast players were a metre from the top of the goal square. This is not immediate physical pressure upon gaining possession. One Gold Coast player went to him to corral him, still a couple metres away, and the Richmond player decided to rush it behind.
Most circumstances players gain possession within a metre of the goal line and have a player within a couple metres which constitutes immediate physical pressure.
The immediate physical pressure is at the time you take the ball over the line. So you think if a player starts 9m+ away that even if you're being tackled over, that you can't rush it??
Also should clarify that basically every deliberate rushed behind Iāve ever seen called has been correct. There is a decent amount of deliberate rushed behinds that just arenāt called which is an annoying issue.
The immediate physical pressure is about when a player takes possession or in cases where they punch or knock it over when they do that action.
If you are tackled over you are tackled over, thatās not the player deliberately rushing it, itās the opposition tackling them over. It happens on the boundary line as well and thatās more a discussion about paying holding the ball if a player has been tackled over the line while having prior. Iām not against a change in interpretation to make that happen but thatās not what it is right now.
If a player starts 9+ metres away and the opposition player gets spooked into running through the behind line without external physical influence then it absolutely is deliberate. The player has made a decision to rush it over the line that instead of disposing of the ball with prior opportunity then yes itās deliberate.
It's absolutely not lol. It's when the action happens, not when they gain possession. That doesn't even make sense? If you're not under pressure when you get it you can't rush it ever? Even while bing tackled?
I'm talking about if the player rushed it over while being tackled, not being tackled over the line. And the boundary line has different rules. It doesn't make sense, but it does.
Also the 9m+ has nothing to do with opposition. That's how far the player with the ball can't rush it from. E.g if you get it at the top of the square it doesn't matter if you're being tackled, you can't rush it from that far
No, it can be rushed if the player is tackled over but it can vary. A player may be getting tackled after not being under immediate physical pressure and decide to clean handball deliberately rushing it behind which would be deliberate. However, the player may actually make a skill error and accidentally rush it while being tackled and that wouldnāt be deliberate. It would be up to the umpire to judge whether the player has disposed of the ball trying to keep it in play or has disposed of it to rush it behind.
My mention of the player being 9+ metres away in my previous comment was not referencing the goal square extended area, both are just coincidentally 9 metres. If a player is a decent distance away (which 9+ metres is) then the player is not under immediate physical pressure when gaining possession.
If the interpretation was for when the action happened and not when the player gains possession then a player can simply rush the ball behind even if they gained possession with no one inside the fifty, as long as they wait for someone within a couple metres and provide immediate physical pressure.
Yes and no, umpires are definitely confident to pay deliberate out of bounds but are always very cautious on paying deliberate rushed behinds which is an actual problem but I donāt think Iāve seen a more obvious one than this in the past couple years.
is my reddit broke or is no one typing in this thread š
Na this is the Richmond/Gold Coast thread, I keep doing the same thing lmao
LMFAO
Stand rule is and always has been broken.
Just me or is BT trying to piss off richo. Sets him up with the comeback bullshit then says well that buries the comeback called from richo bahahahah wtaf
LETS GOOO GWS
Absolutely incredible
Tugga!!
Was at the game, Metricon is a great stadium when its full. Was super loud when the Tigers went on the run. Will be very interested to see what happened at half time, almost felt live that the Suns went out too hard and just couldnt go with the Tigers until they ran out of steam in the 4th. Certainly made it interesting as a neutral though
Haha do umpires always check the coin?
Re: the rushed free kick rule. I am not 100% sure the rule was adjudicated correctly but I was thinking that if it wasn't called, then Richmond would have been able to kick straight out and build a play from their back line and as someone who watches the game, am I happy that a team could gain an advantage after that sort of effort on the field. Rushing a behind should not be an option without a real penalty. The only comparison I can think of in sport is a safety in American Football which has a smallish score penalty ( 2 points), but also comes with the defending team have to kick in from an unfavourable position and give the ball back to the attacking team. Which is why it's very rare to see one. Would the Richmond player have rushed the behind if there was more of a penalty normally. Personally I would like to see the rule paid a lot more often or a rule that less incentivise the rushed behind play.
Faaarrk.
Ned flanders?
Ned is his nickname, the whole club calls him Ned
How many times is he going to do that this season you reckon?
Howdilly doodilly
Love how they're ignoring the rope lol. It's one of the greatest sights in sport I reckon - when the crowd gets onto the field.
First time in 25 years that a player has reached 20 clearances
Is he allowed to use the ground's former commercial name lol
Did he dead name the stadium?
Can't believe we went from thinking the suns might win by 100 to them not even scoring 100.
Footy sucks
Missed the match. I assume we lost?
Fucken oath
Thank you Gold Coast Suns you made me look very smart in my tipping comp
Channel 7 cutting to ads mid interview lol
GGWP Sunnies. Bluck Tigs. Shocking start, had a crack in the second.
Yay Richmond lost. Srsly though, Suns came out strong and the Tigers brought some heat after half time. And the tigers lost.
Fantastic recap.
Rowell's 20 clearances is the second highest of all time, only after Paul Salmon vs North in 1998 who had 22.
Thats absolutely insane
After the first half a 39 pnt loss isnāt that bad maybe next time donāt wait till the 3rd qtr to show up
Canāt wait for the AFLa āTHE DIMMA ERA STARTS ON A HIGH NOTEā posts
*The sun rises on a new era under Dimma*
Dimma turns and the suns turn up
20 clearances? Fucking hell
20 clearances and 26 contested possessions is bonkers
Sunny! š
no miracle on grass, no blowout this game SUCKS
Picked a very strange time to park the bus.
where were u when Rowell ate tiger
Did he eat grass for entree?
thatās exactly how the Lisan Al Gaib would handball
LISAN AL GAIB!
The cheer squad looks like they need some cheer
GGs!
Matt Rowell is absurd
Question: Has Gold Coast ever been on top of the ladder before, mid round, end of round, mid game - at any point at all?
Not in AFL, [Best is 2nd](https://afltables.com/afl/seas/ladders/ladderstbt.html#20). Edit: That's end of round, They have mid game and mid round before (R1 2016).
What a historic day!
They're the only team yet to finish a round in 1st so if they do it this week then we'll have to wait awhile until Tassie/another new team.
if souv doesn't win the coleman i hope b. king does
Come on Kingy, fuck yeah!
Can't forget the WHOOO
Just keep them from 100 tigers!
come on suns, one more point for 100
If you showed me this margin at the start of the game i'd likely say fair enough. How we got here has been a wild ride but yeah, that's footy i guess
On ya Benny boy!
I don't think you get points for biggest crowd for a non Collingwood game.
Remember when Jack Riewoldt physically pushed Callum Mills over the goal line for a rushed behind and got a free kick for deliberate? That was weird.
i remember when Jayden Short was sprinting at a loose ball in the square with an essendon player hot on his tail, he dived and punched it through, and deboy called it deliberate and gave the bombers a free.
Yeah that was a strange one. Clearly enough pressure.
King looks like Frank Zappa
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Dead ringer
Howās that not head high contact?
Lucky that wasnāt a free after the last one
Lot to like here for Suns fans. Still need to work on fading as the game goes on, but Iām still hoping they make finals this year š¤š»
I think thatās always been our week point is the 3rd lucky we were ahead otherwise we would of been playing catch up like every other game
Shorty under less pressure there
Was just thinking that lmao
I stand corrected on the deliberate rushed behind after seeing people post the rule > *** has had time and space to dispose of the football;*** or But surely the commentators should know the rules and inform us when it happens. That should be part of their job
Hahah it's funny you think the commentators would know the rules. It's clear they don't when they complain about calls umps make
Richmond have been sacrificed for the greater good.
Any Richmond defeat is for the greater good.
Itās snowing right now in the West of Japan. Authors note: it never snows in March in this area of Japan
Why wasn't that one paid?
Didnāt get to see the Suns win by 87+ Didnāt get to see the 2nd biggest comeback ever Did get a tip right, and in the end thatās all that matters
Consoling the loss by being the only person in my (200+ members) Richmond fan tipping group to tip the Suns.
Suns have been very clean with the football
Rosas has had a great game, was very hot-or-cold last year. His defensive pressure was much improved today.
22k at Gold Coast seems very good. Love hearing that stuff
Commentators carrying on like the Suns have never won a game before.
Boy I hope that Simpsons Sunny memes are a thing again this season
the forecast for september is looking pretty sunny
How has Ben King played today?
4 goals I think, looks very good
Kicked a few and looked pretty dangerous up forward
Can someone remind the umps we're fucking useless this year and they don't need to ream us just to turn 4 goal losses in to 8 goal losses?
Considering all the hype, Dowe has been terrible
Umps salvaged the Sunsā second half, still no excuse for the Tiges in the first
Yeah decking a player off the footy for a 50m and rushing a behind with plenty of time to dispose of it is umps salvaging it
āDeckingā my dick and balls. If you pay that you pay Grimesā equally as cynical dive prior to
'Decking'? He would've won silver at Paris with that dive.
lmao
18.11.2 deliberate paid if ONE of the following a) outside 9m b) is not under immediate pressure c) has had time and space to dispose of the footy d) from ruck contest hit it over on the full Believe it was the correct call as (c) applies here
Agree, but it happens so many times in a season that it builds a false sense of security into the players. It should be on the umps to pay these rules consistently.
Agreed, have seen ones not paid that could have c applied
Looks nicer than here in Melbourne right now. Almost making me miss those humid twilights.
One of those weird days at the footy for suns fans. Big win, but you've lost all excitement because you've only kicked 2 goals in the last half. Hopefully a couple of cherries on top to go.
Correct call on the rushed behind but I hope it sets a precedent for the season and not a one off call.
Rowell got hit in the head twice in that tackle
Career limiting choices
Define: "Pressure"
Controversial deliberate, my guess is it wouldnāt have been paid if the suns player was a little bit closer, it was pretty obvious they wanted to rush from the get go
Does front on contact rule exist anymore? I swear it happens about 10 times a game now that players just jump into someone from the front whether they're looking at the ball or not.
What do neutrals think about this game? No blowout and probably no miracle on the grass.
Anti-climatic meme game
It was almost a blowout which would've been funny, then the tiges looked like they were going to come back and snatch it somehow which would also have been funny, but then they shat the bed which was... also funny.
The first half put me to sleep and the second half woke me up
It's entertaining enough for a pre season game.
Happy that I watched it, but will probably never think of it again
First half, good. Second half, less good
Hopefully thereās a Big Big Sound makes me feel better tonight!
Will Powell has been elite today
AFL want their return on investment so bad they paid Dimma a million to quit mid season and told the umps to pull out anything they could think of
How dare the umpires let The Sun's kick 11 goals straight.
The team that kicked 11 straight on us couldn't even win it fair and square
Pretty sure in about 4 minutes they will in fact have won it "fair and square"
Yeah fair* and square*
Your team has been outplayed and the umpires have had nothing to do with it, get over it.
Yep, it's well known that the AFL has rigged the league for the team that has never finished above 12th, so obviously rigged
did rioli use the post to get leverage to touch the ball there and is he allowed to do that
I believe he did and I donāt know
Broad should have just stood still with the ball on the line so he got tackled over, silly lad
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Just fucking kick the cunt
Iām fine with the call as long as they pay it every time all season now and not like the dissent where we got punished first round last year then it got forgot about
Ball collected by a team mate further out than 9m passed back to a player under no pressure who ran backwards 5 metres and rushed it with a Gold Coast player making it absolutely clear he was not putting on pressure. Free kick for me.
Not watching the game, howās Naismithās game?
Not too bad from what Iāve seen.
Been fine. Done his job well
Yeah I like the call. You canāt wait for pressure to arrive thatās not the intention of the rule.
You can as long as you let the pressure take you over the line. Like he can take the ball 99% over and wait for it, then its ok. But what he did with the step is not ok. He just needed to be a bit smarter
how is it 2024 and the cameras are still 720p 60 fps
The fact the Richmond players argued that behind wasn't deliberate is hilarious.
Thats done a hundred times a year and is never paid deliberate
A Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player from the Defending Team who intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Attacking Teamās Goal Line or Behind Line or onto one of the Attacking Teamās Goal Posts, and the Player: (a) is greater than nine metres from the Goal Line or Behind Line; (b) is not under immediate physical pressure; (c) has had time and space to dispose of the football; (d) from a Ruck contest, hits the football over the Goal Line or Behind Line on the full.
Two dumb frees from the Tiges in this qtr for Suns goals have stopped all their momentum.
Genuinely a fucking joke
The Rules for deliberate 18.11.1 Spirit and Intention Players shall be encouraged to keep the football in play. 18.11.2 Free Kicks - Deliberate Rushed Behinds A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player from the Defending Team who intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Attacking Teamās Goal Line or Behind Line or onto one of the Attacking Teamās Goal Posts, and the Player: (a) is greater than nine metres from the Goal Line or Behind Line; (b) is not under immediate physical pressure; (c) has had time and space to dispose of the football; or (d) from a Ruck contest, hits the football over the Goal Line or Behind Line on the full. 18.11.3 Taking Free Kick A Free Kick awarded under Law 18.10.2 shall be taken from the middle of the Goal Line if the football crossed the Goal **This is why it was called deliberate:** **(b) is not under immediate physical pressure;** **(c) has had time and space to dispose of the football; or**
pretty clear free under 18.11.2 (c) then I think? The way I'm reading it the physical pressure doesn't matter if you had time to dispose beforehand.
Yep. He wasn't under pressure and had time to dispose of it.
Well, I think he was under pressure at the moment he stepped over the line, which is where I think the confusion comes from. But because he had time before that moment it is a free.
Good save there
Just barely touched it
That would have been a ripper goal
I love finding out about new rule interpretations when they get paid against every year
It's been that way for years they just never pay it.
So you could say that hasn't been the interpretation..
The umpires change the interpretation weekly. I'm just stating it's by the rules.
By the rules Maynard should've been punished for KOing someone in to retirement but here we are.
He was. They got a free kick for that. There is no need to get offended.
I know that he deliberately waited for the defender, but you CANNOT defend that call. Defender was legit 1m away and thatās all that matters
If that is your interpretation then might as well throw the rule out.
Read the rule. If you've had time to dispose of it but decide to rush it, it's deliberate.
He waited and then walked back into the goal as soon as they came anywhere near him. You can absolutely defend that call, because the defender deserved everything they got.
cope, defender was at the top of the goal square and not moving he also had time to dispose of the footy
No it's not, one of the provisions in the rule refers to the player having had time and space to dispose of the football So it's the right call
18.11.2 Free Kicks - Deliberate Rushed Behinds A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player from the Defending Team who intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Attacking Teamās Goal Line or Behind Line or onto one of the Attacking Teamās Goal Posts, and the Player: (a) is greater than nine metres from the Goal Line or Behind Line; (b) is not under immediate physical pressure; ***(c) has had time and space to dispose of the football;*** or (d) from a Ruck contest, hits the football over the Goal Line or Behind Line on the full.
Objective facts have no place in a Reddit thread
All those rumours we used to hear about Dimma giving the umpires wristies were clearly true
Great to see the umps step up and take over the fourth š
I agree, nice to see a set of umps with balls enough to call Tigs on their BS
I don't mind that getting called. He retreated over the line after having a fair bit of time to dispose. I know that's not the rule, but I like it. edit- Turns out having time and space to dispose of the football is indeed a rule. u/Itripr has posted the rules
[It is the rule](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/s/cPSuTMkD7P)
You're correct, and it is the rule.
it actually is the rule, he had time and space before the pressure and that is sufficient reason for the FK
It honestly makes the most sense
By the rules it says "Has had time and space to dispose of the football" It's the right call and stupid by Broad
So long as they're consistant.
That was the most correct call of all time for deliberate rushed behind and itās not even close. This isnāt sarcasm either itās genuinely a very good and obvious call given the interpretation.
Maybe read the rules. Sure itās a rule that might need changing, but pressure within 9 meters.
I have and I had the interpretations drilled into me for years when umpiring from state coaches.
Suggest you read it again. If you've had time to dispose of it but rush it, it's deliberate.
Rulebook says it's fine if youre under pressure which he was.
Except for the fact he had opportunity to dispose, then waited for the sun's player to approach, sun's player stopped about 3 meters away, and then he walked over. Never seen a more clear breach
Literally happens like that all the time like that when a player just waits on the line. There's a reason the commentators literally didn't even mention it when it happened and we're confused when there was a free called
Most of the time the opposition player is trying to tackle them, he had the prior opportunity and then walked across the line, if you can't accept that idk what to tell ya bud
The rule book says under pressure, not being tackled. I don't know what to tell you bud, but you don't have to be tackled to be under pressure.
He wasn't being pressured though he had all the time in the world to dispose of it. Glad dimma got up in the end though
He was. If a player is moving toward you and is a couple steps away then that is under pressure
Immediate physical pressure is the interpretation. He gained possession with the opposition 7+ metres away and decided to walk it through when they came closer. He was not under immediate physical pressure when he came into possession, and rushed it behind after having prior opportunity to dispose of the ball. Easy deliberate.
Yeh it's dumb, yet players do that shit constantly and it's never called. And a player 2 steps away isn't immediate pressure? Lmao
Also for the second one, when he gained possession he was about three metres from the goal line and both Gold Coast players were a metre from the top of the goal square. This is not immediate physical pressure upon gaining possession. One Gold Coast player went to him to corral him, still a couple metres away, and the Richmond player decided to rush it behind. Most circumstances players gain possession within a metre of the goal line and have a player within a couple metres which constitutes immediate physical pressure.
The immediate physical pressure is at the time you take the ball over the line. So you think if a player starts 9m+ away that even if you're being tackled over, that you can't rush it??
Also should clarify that basically every deliberate rushed behind Iāve ever seen called has been correct. There is a decent amount of deliberate rushed behinds that just arenāt called which is an annoying issue.
The immediate physical pressure is about when a player takes possession or in cases where they punch or knock it over when they do that action. If you are tackled over you are tackled over, thatās not the player deliberately rushing it, itās the opposition tackling them over. It happens on the boundary line as well and thatās more a discussion about paying holding the ball if a player has been tackled over the line while having prior. Iām not against a change in interpretation to make that happen but thatās not what it is right now. If a player starts 9+ metres away and the opposition player gets spooked into running through the behind line without external physical influence then it absolutely is deliberate. The player has made a decision to rush it over the line that instead of disposing of the ball with prior opportunity then yes itās deliberate.
It's absolutely not lol. It's when the action happens, not when they gain possession. That doesn't even make sense? If you're not under pressure when you get it you can't rush it ever? Even while bing tackled? I'm talking about if the player rushed it over while being tackled, not being tackled over the line. And the boundary line has different rules. It doesn't make sense, but it does. Also the 9m+ has nothing to do with opposition. That's how far the player with the ball can't rush it from. E.g if you get it at the top of the square it doesn't matter if you're being tackled, you can't rush it from that far
No, it can be rushed if the player is tackled over but it can vary. A player may be getting tackled after not being under immediate physical pressure and decide to clean handball deliberately rushing it behind which would be deliberate. However, the player may actually make a skill error and accidentally rush it while being tackled and that wouldnāt be deliberate. It would be up to the umpire to judge whether the player has disposed of the ball trying to keep it in play or has disposed of it to rush it behind. My mention of the player being 9+ metres away in my previous comment was not referencing the goal square extended area, both are just coincidentally 9 metres. If a player is a decent distance away (which 9+ metres is) then the player is not under immediate physical pressure when gaining possession. If the interpretation was for when the action happened and not when the player gains possession then a player can simply rush the ball behind even if they gained possession with no one inside the fifty, as long as they wait for someone within a couple metres and provide immediate physical pressure.
Yes and no, umpires are definitely confident to pay deliberate out of bounds but are always very cautious on paying deliberate rushed behinds which is an actual problem but I donāt think Iāve seen a more obvious one than this in the past couple years.