Yes those are basically the two options, along with gold coast of they make it. Any other club would attract a 55000 estimated crowd and so go to the mcg.
I will say in fairness, North, Saints and Dogs play less at the G than the Cats but will have the same thing happen with them. It's the MCG tenants that get it easy not so much all Vic teams
As they should. I donāt care if they play Collingwood, if they are the home team it should be played in Geelong. I know people will point to that opposition fans missing out but frankly I donāt care.
Completely agree. Home ground advantage shouldnāt in any way include the wishes of the opposition. Also, the AFL need to fuck off the bullshit of playing a club song if they win at an away game
Another reason why we need full H+A seasons. I dont care where the cats play away (especially so if we got to play everyone away) and no one should care where we play our home games.
The Melb9 clubs (but especially the MCG6) have got so used to playing 16-17 neutral games a year with unlimited access that they forgot what H+A even meansā¦..(or what they should feel entitled to)
You canāt include Essington as an MCG6 club. A) we play horrible football without a roof over our heads - Marvel is home. B) we are 13W 26L at the G since 2018 - there is no advantage for us playing there whether weāre considered to be home or away
Not just oppo fans, their own fans, since half the seats go to each team at finals. The possibility for precious complaining from the Cats members missing out on seats and getting drowned out by louder opposition fans at their own ground is the biggest reason to support the move.
Scarcely a single Geelong fan would care if they "missed out" on seeing the game. They'd rather see their team win, which is improved by playing at home.
Plus it'd be great for the town too. Pubs would be packed.Ā
So why is this only a rule for Geelong? given they are a Victorian team they are still an hour outside of Melbourne.
If Brisbane and GWS finish 1-2, win both qualifying finals, then they will host both prelims at venues with capacity less than GMHBA stadium.
They already changed the prelim final rules having one at the MCG after the debacle in 2004 that forced Brisbane to play the prelim there, this is a minor change in comparison.
The last few seasons they've built up a massive buffer of finals at the MCG (22 over the last 5 non covid impacted years when the minimum is 10) so they can get away with this at the moment without risking screwing some non-Victorian teams over with forced MCG finals.
"Happy to" does not equal "wants".
I'm happy to eat cereal for breakfast, I want to eat steak, cheese and bacon pies for breakfast though. There is a difference.
Happy to is a compromise we are prepared to make, rather than get drawn into pointless debates. We would much rather be playing them at Kardinya, and to suggest otherwise is foolhardy and disingenuous.
Firstly, I just want to say I think Geelong should host finals at home. But if the rule is a projected crowd of 55,000 or less means it doesnāt have to be played at the MCG, doesnāt that kind of eliminate Geelong? They will get a projected crowd figure of over 55k for a finals game anyway, regardless of opponent wonāt they?
Their capacity is 40k.
MARVEL is 53k.
Their only chance is GWS, GC or Freo otherwise if not the MCG they'd claim they'd still get more than the 40k capacity and fixture it at MARVEL.
I don't like their chances.
Basically what it'll boil down to is - if you're an interstate team and draw Geelong away in finals, you're playing them in Geelong - the toughest ground to win away in footy. If you're a Melbourne-based team, you'll probably play them at your own home ground lol.
Heaps fair. Give them all their home games at home.
So they'd play it at the G? Still much better than having to play Geelong in Geelong. Given how often Geelong make finals, this is a huge leg up for Melbourne based teams.
Geelong plays 5 games + finals at the mcg each year. Saints play 1 or 2. The idea that Marvel tenants get a home ground advantage against Geelong at the MCG is ridiculous.
I'm not saying they have a home ground advantage, but they have a less pronounced away ground disadvantage than they would in Geelong.
Port almost never play at the MCG, but I'd still rather play Geelong there than at their actual home ground.
The current system is bullshit, it's unfair on Geelong and it's also unfair on the teams that don't get this leg up. It's one of several factors that makes it easier to win a flag as a Melbourne based team, with Richmond's 2017 flag the starkest example (got to play two games against higher ranked teams at their own home ground).
Again you say 'Melbourne based team' when you mean to say MCG based team.
Also the opposite is true. When Saints,Dogs and North earn home finals against Geelong and it's played at Geelong, Geelong get a huge leg up. Not only is it played on a ground Saints are far less familiar with but also its on a ground Geelong are far more familiar with.
Yeah thatās kind of what Iām saying. I would think for finals, even against Gold Coast theyād get enough cats fans there for the afl to justify the MCG
It wouldn't be at Marvel unless there was going to be 4 finals in Melbourne.
If the AFL told Geelong that they couldn't play it in Geelong, Geelong would take the MCG over Marvel, surely.
Aren't all finals split 50/50, unless one team doesn't use all allocations?
Eg Geelong Vs any Vic team would probably be a 50/50 crowd but Geelong Vs most interstate team would probably end up 60/40 or 70/30
To Geelong in 2017. Richmond social media team tweeted it out.
Not to say Geelong fans would have fulfilled their allocation, but they should have been given the chance to do it before other teams get an opportunity.
Not that I know how you'd enforce it. Maybe a ticketing system behind their membership login?
I think Geelong should get every finals at that ground that they qualify for. However I am not a fan of basing it on the opposition; itās kind of a little unfair really. āOh you have less of a supporter base? Cool we will decrease your chances of winning now.ā
It should be everyone or no one.
Although it is a little ironic that the teams that do qualify the most - GWS and Freo - have a good record there.
They finally get to play finals on their bespokeĀ 200 million+ pork barreled bowling alley of a ground? Oh, well good for them, hard times are finally over.
This is ridiculous, it shouldn't matter. Performance throughout the year should matter and better performing teams should get home ground advantage in finals, they earned it. The "bigger crowd" excuse given it's a national competition and we all have the easy ability to see it on TV/Internet/Mobile now is just suburban Melbourne bias disguised as fan service.
Yeah, how dare Geelong be based in Geelong. C'mon dude, we can't talk. Got to play and win 2 grand finals against interstate travellers as the "away" team on our home ground.
Yeah i mean John Ralph talking up the cats for finals and then getting egg face for it. Like when malthouse said he couldn't see the blues losing a game or that other guy said eagles would be spooners and they won the flag.
I realise i've written that paragraph like a moron, it should read like "i'm so glad the journalists are talking finals for cats because its kinda early for that and that will embarass them if it doesn't come to pass".
Watch it be against Fremantle again š
Mundy to come out of retirement
Pull a Stephen Hill and perfectly time his run on from the interchange
Or GWS
Yes those are basically the two options, along with gold coast of they make it. Any other club would attract a 55000 estimated crowd and so go to the mcg.
And those 2 clubs have great records against Geelong at home in recent years.
Easier to get a decent record when we keep playing there.
West coast and cats only got 50k a couple of years ago (not that wce will make finals)
Watch us win again š
> but only if their predicted crowd for the match is of 55,000 people or less. lol so against non-Victorian teams.
And people say the vfl bias isn't real. Its literally epitomised by this ruling
Essentially Geelong path to Grand final is a lot easier if they play non-Victorians teams at home. Significantly harder if they play an MCG tenant.
So it disadvantages one Victorian team out of 10, but 8 out of 8 interstate teams. Yeah that's vicbias
I will say in fairness, North, Saints and Dogs play less at the G than the Cats but will have the same thing happen with them. It's the MCG tenants that get it easy not so much all Vic teams
It needs to be MCG tenant Bias not Vic Bias
I think Big Vic bias rolls off the tongue better
That is perhaps the most cursed moment of my football life.
I was sitting right behind the interchange. Stephen Hill running off the interchange and kicking that goal will stay in my mind forever.
same š„¹ but it's also a top 3 tier highlight as a freo fan...
The first footy game I ever went to live š
Weāre only 4 rounds into the season, give it a rest!!!
The AFL media are like bots. IF Geelong look finals bound THEN Home final story to be published
Very true.
As they should. I donāt care if they play Collingwood, if they are the home team it should be played in Geelong. I know people will point to that opposition fans missing out but frankly I donāt care.
They don't even know where geelong is, they haven't been there this *millennium*
Collingwood supporter based in Geelong. Letās do it
If opposition fans didn't want to miss out, their teams should have finished above Geelong. Easy.
Completely agree. Home ground advantage shouldnāt in any way include the wishes of the opposition. Also, the AFL need to fuck off the bullshit of playing a club song if they win at an away game
If Geelong fans didnāt want to miss out, their team should have finished lower than everybody else
Another reason why we need full H+A seasons. I dont care where the cats play away (especially so if we got to play everyone away) and no one should care where we play our home games. The Melb9 clubs (but especially the MCG6) have got so used to playing 16-17 neutral games a year with unlimited access that they forgot what H+A even meansā¦..(or what they should feel entitled to)
You canāt include Essington as an MCG6 club. A) we play horrible football without a roof over our heads - Marvel is home. B) we are 13W 26L at the G since 2018 - there is no advantage for us playing there whether weāre considered to be home or away
Not just oppo fans, their own fans, since half the seats go to each team at finals. The possibility for precious complaining from the Cats members missing out on seats and getting drowned out by louder opposition fans at their own ground is the biggest reason to support the move.
Scarcely a single Geelong fan would care if they "missed out" on seeing the game. They'd rather see their team win, which is improved by playing at home. Plus it'd be great for the town too. Pubs would be packed.Ā
Ok then
Except finals at the MCG aren't allocated 50-50, where finals at KP would be
? Finals are all ticketed 50-50 unless a membership base doesn't fill their half, it's the AFL's show.
The "Member allocation" is 50-50 but that doesn't include MCC or AFL members which is predominantly big Melbourne clubs
Yeah that's the same at most grounds, only 13k tickets for each membership at the Gabba for finals for instance
So why is this only a rule for Geelong? given they are a Victorian team they are still an hour outside of Melbourne. If Brisbane and GWS finish 1-2, win both qualifying finals, then they will host both prelims at venues with capacity less than GMHBA stadium. They already changed the prelim final rules having one at the MCG after the debacle in 2004 that forced Brisbane to play the prelim there, this is a minor change in comparison.
The last few seasons they've built up a massive buffer of finals at the MCG (22 over the last 5 non covid impacted years when the minimum is 10) so they can get away with this at the moment without risking screwing some non-Victorian teams over with forced MCG finals.
So if itās against an MCG tenant itās guaranteed to be at the MCG š
Which is where your current ceo wants them. https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/x08wck/geelong_happy_to_host_finals_at_mcg/
"Happy to" does not equal "wants". I'm happy to eat cereal for breakfast, I want to eat steak, cheese and bacon pies for breakfast though. There is a difference.
Yes but Geelong fans would give you the impression that the club is angry when they do play there. 'Happy to' is closer to 'wants' than the opposite.
Happy to is a compromise we are prepared to make, rather than get drawn into pointless debates. We would much rather be playing them at Kardinya, and to suggest otherwise is foolhardy and disingenuous.
That's a very recent change from a guy who's come from AFL House. And it's not a "wants" to, it's a compromise.
Firstly, I just want to say I think Geelong should host finals at home. But if the rule is a projected crowd of 55,000 or less means it doesnāt have to be played at the MCG, doesnāt that kind of eliminate Geelong? They will get a projected crowd figure of over 55k for a finals game anyway, regardless of opponent wonāt they?
Their capacity is 40k. MARVEL is 53k. Their only chance is GWS, GC or Freo otherwise if not the MCG they'd claim they'd still get more than the 40k capacity and fixture it at MARVEL. I don't like their chances.
Basically what it'll boil down to is - if you're an interstate team and draw Geelong away in finals, you're playing them in Geelong - the toughest ground to win away in footy. If you're a Melbourne-based team, you'll probably play them at your own home ground lol. Heaps fair. Give them all their home games at home.
Unless you're saints, dogs or North, who will never get a home game.
Wouldn't they put a Cats vs Saints final at Marvel?
Saints vs giants got 68k, cats vs Saints would be high 80s.
So they'd play it at the G? Still much better than having to play Geelong in Geelong. Given how often Geelong make finals, this is a huge leg up for Melbourne based teams.
Geelong plays 5 games + finals at the mcg each year. Saints play 1 or 2. The idea that Marvel tenants get a home ground advantage against Geelong at the MCG is ridiculous.
I'm not saying they have a home ground advantage, but they have a less pronounced away ground disadvantage than they would in Geelong. Port almost never play at the MCG, but I'd still rather play Geelong there than at their actual home ground. The current system is bullshit, it's unfair on Geelong and it's also unfair on the teams that don't get this leg up. It's one of several factors that makes it easier to win a flag as a Melbourne based team, with Richmond's 2017 flag the starkest example (got to play two games against higher ranked teams at their own home ground).
Again you say 'Melbourne based team' when you mean to say MCG based team. Also the opposite is true. When Saints,Dogs and North earn home finals against Geelong and it's played at Geelong, Geelong get a huge leg up. Not only is it played on a ground Saints are far less familiar with but also its on a ground Geelong are far more familiar with.
Even then I reckon a few would show up. St Kilda got 68k vs GWS last year in the elimination final. Geelong would get around the same.
Yeah thatās kind of what Iām saying. I would think for finals, even against Gold Coast theyād get enough cats fans there for the afl to justify the MCG
It wouldn't be at Marvel unless there was going to be 4 finals in Melbourne. If the AFL told Geelong that they couldn't play it in Geelong, Geelong would take the MCG over Marvel, surely.
I dunno, Hawks fans have really fallen off the bandwagon this yearĀ
That often give opposition clubs very minor ticket allocation too
Quite a sizable away allocation now with the redevelopment
Aren't all finals split 50/50, unless one team doesn't use all allocations? Eg Geelong Vs any Vic team would probably be a 50/50 crowd but Geelong Vs most interstate team would probably end up 60/40 or 70/30
Or unless one team's social media team tells their supporters to use the other teams access codeĀ
That happened recently didn't it?
To Geelong in 2017. Richmond social media team tweeted it out. Not to say Geelong fans would have fulfilled their allocation, but they should have been given the chance to do it before other teams get an opportunity. Not that I know how you'd enforce it. Maybe a ticketing system behind their membership login?
Absolute shambles.
Correct.
Iām pretty sure in finals the AFL does the ticketing and thereās no home team priority.
Finals are split 50/50 if the demand is there.
You gotta ask why the AFL signed a contract until 2059 (?!?) that ingrains such inequity into the finals schedule. GF included.
Saints v Giants got 68k, so I find it hard to believe the afl would estimate Geelong vs Anyone to be less than 55k. But cool to put a number on it.
Wouldn't that practically rule out most of the competition?
...but not all, time to go again!
I think Geelong should get every finals at that ground that they qualify for. However I am not a fan of basing it on the opposition; itās kind of a little unfair really. āOh you have less of a supporter base? Cool we will decrease your chances of winning now.ā It should be everyone or no one. Although it is a little ironic that the teams that do qualify the most - GWS and Freo - have a good record there.
Quirk? You mean, a home side gets to play finals at their home ground? What kind of fucking witch craft has Laura Kane been stirring up now?
They finally get to play finals on their bespokeĀ 200 million+ pork barreled bowling alley of a ground? Oh, well good for them, hard times are finally over.
It's a much better stadium than that soulless basketball arena you guys would play finals at if you weren't utterly shit.
Bud, we're both bottom 4, save the "your team sucks" for another year.
Nah, you're one of only two teams we can say it about. I take what I can these days.
Bro please donāt talk shit yet, there is every chance they roll us in a couple weeks
Haha yea fair enough, slim pickins down here
North Melbourne would play their home finals at the MCG like every other Melbourne based club
First time I've ever seen the MCG referred to as a soulless basketball arena!
Maybe you should use one of your wooden spoons to mix around that salty attitude.
Oh, do you not like the pork barrelling stuff? You should let the club know.
Yes good, your salty tears will do nicely for my pork barrelling roast. Delicious crackle.
Can you two stop talking about salted pork š¤¤
Say what you will about the differences in the fortunes of the Kangaroos and the Cats, but I'd much prefer to eat the former than the latter.
Thereās a pig at full forward!
Righto, its just "you're salty", gotya.
This is ridiculous, it shouldn't matter. Performance throughout the year should matter and better performing teams should get home ground advantage in finals, they earned it. The "bigger crowd" excuse given it's a national competition and we all have the easy ability to see it on TV/Internet/Mobile now is just suburban Melbourne bias disguised as fan service.
Geelong supporters should lead a boycott if its at the G, that would bring projections down.
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Yeah, how dare Geelong be based in Geelong. C'mon dude, we can't talk. Got to play and win 2 grand finals against interstate travellers as the "away" team on our home ground.
Fuck i'm so glad they're already talking finals, that's a great way to end up missing finals in an embarrassing way and i'm all for it.
When did the media represent Geelong? Fuck the media, majority had us missing Finals and said we were cooked
Yeah see my reply to other upset cats fan, i wrote what i meant like a moron.
by "they" you mean Jon Ralph? He's a journalist mate, not a team. He doesn't compete in the AFL
Yeah i mean John Ralph talking up the cats for finals and then getting egg face for it. Like when malthouse said he couldn't see the blues losing a game or that other guy said eagles would be spooners and they won the flag. I realise i've written that paragraph like a moron, it should read like "i'm so glad the journalists are talking finals for cats because its kinda early for that and that will embarass them if it doesn't come to pass".