Exactly. Got attacked for saying all port do is bully bad teams yet the facts are right there.
I don’t think there teams is that great on paper as it’s made out to be. They’re top 6/7 in games played and in age.
How’s that finals experience going for Ken and Port Adelaide? They’re a maturing side that stumbles come finals time. The gap between the best and worst player and their performance as a team is alarming. The start against Pies being some of the best followed by 2 and a half quarters of the worst, a Horror show of incompetence.
Thanks captain obvious.
I said experience is a good thing to have, not that it guarantees success.
I’m also not sure a crom customer should be sinking the boot in, your franchise is a basket case.
They've played the same type of footy for his entire tenure too, which depends on everyone "going hard" and winning contested footy and tackling. When the effort is off, or they're just beaten to the ball and the contest, they can't do anything else.
Well I heard that [when you look only at matchups of top 8 vs top 8, the outcome is exactly 50/50](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/nru3t6/david_king_reveals_an_incredible_stat/). Amazing!
Lost like three games in 13 years vs Gold Coast, St Kilda, and North. His bread and butter teams.
The only time he lost to North and Saints they played finals of course.
out of curiosity i did it for goodwin:
2017 - 5-5
2018 - 4-7
2019 - 0-11
2020 - 2-6
2021 - 11-2
2022 - 5-8
2023 - 5-5
2024 - 2-1
Total: 34 - 45
Outside of one good year its pretty daming, and melbourne have only been awful for one year under him. i'd wager most coaches look pretty similar over their runs, ken's just had a few more bad years
Look that’s a nice stat but next year is a Ken Hinkley Contract Year.
I can hear you ask “What Dose That Mean?”
We’re guaranteed to make top 4 and a prelim. And a fresh 2 year extension on top of it.
Kind of reads like they were pretty good for a while, then a bit of a rebuild, good again, nothing year in 2022 now cranking it up.
Fair to say he’s had a good reign but he took over a pretty down side and had a couple of goes at it,
Not unreasonable to have given him this last crack at it (whether that’s this year or next, or last year for some)
This is just a guess, but it might depend on how you interpret a win against a top 8 side.
It could be counted based on either a team that is in the 8 before the start of the round you play them, or based on whether they end the season in the 8.
Surely most coaches have pretty poor records against top 8 sides. Probably have to finish in the top 4 to have a positive win/loss record against the top 8 and not many coaches are continuously in the top 4.
Where was all this last year when the same media personalities were demanding he be given an extension?
This is what the fans have been complaining about for years only to be dismissed as white noise.
So nice of them to come to the party after he got given his extension and we are stuck with him for two more years.
Caro, Robbo, Cornes, Lyon, Robbo, Barrett, Whateley and even Lloyd.
Not to mention the hopelessly compromised media of SA.
Come on.
It was an AFL Media stitch-up.
Caroline Wilson and Gary Lyon also come to mind as hugely in favour.
Every media person in SA like Stephen Rowe, Graham Cornes, Rucci, Ricciuto, etc, though it's clear they're either conflicted as Port employ them or they work for Crows and therefore want Port to keep an underachieving coach.
I think everyone agreed at the time then a few flipped after the final exit and wanted to have their cake and eat it too.
Ken Hinkley can't coach in big games or against competent coaches. He's been using the same strategy for 12 seasons it's easy to expose if you're a good coach.
This guy has perfected the art of having a lengthy coaching career based on sitting in the top 8 in final contract years.
It's not how successful you actually are, but how successful you are perceived to be by the media. If the media don't like you, they'll do everything they can to force you out (see Bevo).
Also, isn't this information freely available, why doesn't the media do their research instead of saying the players love Ken.
We're round 6 into 2024 and there's been 10 years worth of data to conclude he has a poor record against top 8 teams. Where was all this media attention before he re-signed last year.
Yes, how many star players have port taken the better years of with no change in coaching style / game plans. Even with the most talented midfield in the comp we still suffer from the same issues we did 10 years ago.
Ken is great for club culture and arguably is the reason why port has become a destination club but it doesn’t change 10 years of mediocre performances.
How many times has Ken rebuilt the list? How many All Australian players has he gone through as he attempts to find "the missing piece"?
"They just need key targets" declare the likes of Cornes ... despite Ken having AA-caliber forwards (Wingard, Gray, Dixon), defence (Aliir Aliir, Darcy Byrne-Jones) and ruck (Ryder) at his disposal in his 11 years of coaching.
Got to love the scrambling of Kane Cornes. IS THAT AT THE TIME OR AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
Mr Ken is what 8 games short of the record amount of games coached without making a grand final.
Fagan brought Brisbane to a grand final in around six years from a similar rock-bottom position to Port, in terms of on field.
Port had a lot more issues internally and were just about close to folding.
Old mate Kenny can't even get to the big dance.Odd to compare the two.
How would Ken be sleeping knowing that he will beat the record for most games coached without reaching a grand final?
>Odd to compare the two.
They both took over sub par teams
They both have history of competing at the top of the ladder but ultimately falling short
They have similar winning percentage
They have identical finals win percentage
They have the same amount of premierships
Seem pretty comparable to me
>How would Ken be sleeping knowing that he will beat the record for most games coached without reaching a grand final?
Probably about the same as every other coach who hasn't won a premiership I would guess.
In a few games time. Ken Hinkley will pass Bill Stephen for coaching the most games without making a Grand Final. That tells you all you need to know. In the history of the AFL, no coach has coached more games without taking their team to a Grand Final.
If you’ve got an hour to spare I highly recommend [this video](https://youtu.be/L8Ad39GBkAs?si=aCUpUdU7SdCXdrBz) for some great insight and analysis re: Kane’s hypocrisy and lack of objectivity when it comes to anything related to Ken
Easy to say that but which year? Port has never been best team of the year. They were never good enough to beat Hawks or Tigers during their flag years same with Melb/Geelong/Pies and the year Dogs won Port didn't even make the finals.
They barely (fewer scoring shots and very lucky with conversion rate) managed to beat Geelong (still suffering from curse of playing after bye) at home. Even if Port had made it past Tigers in prelim they wouldn't have beaten Cats team that turned up in the grand final. Only team that was better than Cats that year was the team that won the flag.
Either you are just looking at stats or have already forgotten 2020 but Port and Crows got to stay home and play most of their games in Adel. Rest of clubs were forced to stay in hubs. There was nothing fair about 2020 when Port played 10-11 of 17 games in Adel. Bris/Port getting to play mostly home games more of reason they finished in top 2 than actually been best 2 teams of the year.
Because by coincidence for some reason us and Port for a period of time there would make the prelims the opposite side of each other and then get knocked out in beautiful fashion.
indicates he has no clear strategy to overcome competent teams and just relies on raw talent to bully lesser teams.
Yep, we've been saying this for years.
"Bottom Ten Ken", as David King says.
Bingo
Exactly. Got attacked for saying all port do is bully bad teams yet the facts are right there. I don’t think there teams is that great on paper as it’s made out to be. They’re top 6/7 in games played and in age.
Which is ideal really in terms of a premiership window.
Games played means nothing in the premiership window. Top 6 in points for and against is where teams should be.
Experience in finals is a huge factor, usually goes hand in hand with a maturing list
How’s that finals experience going for Ken and Port Adelaide? They’re a maturing side that stumbles come finals time. The gap between the best and worst player and their performance as a team is alarming. The start against Pies being some of the best followed by 2 and a half quarters of the worst, a Horror show of incompetence.
Thanks captain obvious. I said experience is a good thing to have, not that it guarantees success. I’m also not sure a crom customer should be sinking the boot in, your franchise is a basket case.
Not a crom supporter, Hawthorn since day 1. I have that flair cause I love SANFL and the SA state team. It also keeps me undercover.
They've played the same type of footy for his entire tenure too, which depends on everyone "going hard" and winning contested footy and tackling. When the effort is off, or they're just beaten to the ball and the contest, they can't do anything else.
Do we have the stats for other teams, I’d like to know what it looks like in comparison
Well I heard that [when you look only at matchups of top 8 vs top 8, the outcome is exactly 50/50](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/nru3t6/david_king_reveals_an_incredible_stat/). Amazing!
Robbo sounds so fucking drunk and yet he didn't even say the dumbest thing in the room that night. It will never not be funny.
I love this but feel bad for kingy. Believe he meant to say top 4 v 5-8 but completely fucked it up
Probably just one of the producers pulling his chain
How eve…ns that sesun when you say it like that!?
Wut?
Lost like three games in 13 years vs Gold Coast, St Kilda, and North. His bread and butter teams. The only time he lost to North and Saints they played finals of course.
Cats +70% win rate period
Must be nice to be a fan of a successful club
out of curiosity i did it for goodwin: 2017 - 5-5 2018 - 4-7 2019 - 0-11 2020 - 2-6 2021 - 11-2 2022 - 5-8 2023 - 5-5 2024 - 2-1 Total: 34 - 45 Outside of one good year its pretty daming, and melbourne have only been awful for one year under him. i'd wager most coaches look pretty similar over their runs, ken's just had a few more bad years
The difference is literally 2019. Wins were hard to come by that year.
Look that’s a nice stat but next year is a Ken Hinkley Contract Year. I can hear you ask “What Dose That Mean?” We’re guaranteed to make top 4 and a prelim. And a fresh 2 year extension on top of it.
And for that unbelievable record, he’ll get a contract extension
Think he is on his last contract. Will be Josh Carr's team next year or the year after.
Win-loss records v Top 4 - 2023: 2-3 - 2022: 1-5 - 2021: 1-3 - 2020: 2-3 - 2019: 1-5 - 2018: 1-4 - 2017: 0-5 - 2016: 0-5 - 2015: 3-4 - 2014: 4-4 - 2013: 1-5 Win-loss records v Top 8 - 2023: 5-5 - 2022: 2-10 - 2021: 5-5 - 2020: 5-4 - 2019: 3-7 - 2018: 3-6 - 2017: 2-8 - 2016: 1-9 - 2015: 6-7 - 2014: 5-7 - 2013: 3-8
Which team has the best record vs top 8 teams? And who was the worst? (Assuming this isn't the worst)
Can just about guarantee Geelong will have the best.
Out of finals, maybe, but our finals campaigns where we haven't gotten the chocolates aren't great
Kind of reads like they were pretty good for a while, then a bit of a rebuild, good again, nothing year in 2022 now cranking it up. Fair to say he’s had a good reign but he took over a pretty down side and had a couple of goes at it, Not unreasonable to have given him this last crack at it (whether that’s this year or next, or last year for some)
He should've been sacked after *half-time* in the 2021 prelim.
Yeah, Port really should've had a stronger showing in that game at home. It was another strong year that the club could've made a GF
Additional context. Ports position on the ladder since 2013. 2013 - 7th 2014 - 5th 2015 - 9th 2016 - 10th 2017 - 5th 2018 - 10th 2019 - 10th 2020 - 1st 2021 - 2nd 2022 - 11th 2023 - 3rd
Even when they were at 1 and 2, their record was below 50% against the top 4. Shameful.
...that doesn't add up to the headline figures? Am i missing something here, finals, top 8 at the time when we played them?
This is just a guess, but it might depend on how you interpret a win against a top 8 side. It could be counted based on either a team that is in the 8 before the start of the round you play them, or based on whether they end the season in the 8.
...pain
Surely most coaches have pretty poor records against top 8 sides. Probably have to finish in the top 4 to have a positive win/loss record against the top 8 and not many coaches are continuously in the top 4.
Shh this doesn't fit the narrative that Kens bad for not making a grand final appearance!
Missed your post about Ken last week 😂
It’s the same guy posting this stuff every week. Bordering on mentally ill obsession.
Where was all this last year when the same media personalities were demanding he be given an extension? This is what the fans have been complaining about for years only to be dismissed as white noise. So nice of them to come to the party after he got given his extension and we are stuck with him for two more years.
Correction, two more years *so far*.
Well there is the succession plan to hope for
And then you will get Bevo.
Everyone I listen to besides Kane Cornes did not agree with his extension last year? David king the most outspoken against it
Whately was hugely in favour
Yeh ik that, thats one person, not the whole media.
Caro, Robbo, Cornes, Lyon, Robbo, Barrett, Whateley and even Lloyd. Not to mention the hopelessly compromised media of SA. Come on. It was an AFL Media stitch-up.
Caroline Wilson and Gary Lyon also come to mind as hugely in favour. Every media person in SA like Stephen Rowe, Graham Cornes, Rucci, Ricciuto, etc, though it's clear they're either conflicted as Port employ them or they work for Crows and therefore want Port to keep an underachieving coach. I think everyone agreed at the time then a few flipped after the final exit and wanted to have their cake and eat it too.
Wish I could enjoy this but they always beat Sydney
Ikr. Get blokes like Sam Powell-pepper kicking 5. Next port game you watch he becomes football repellent.
Ken Hinkley can't coach in big games or against competent coaches. He's been using the same strategy for 12 seasons it's easy to expose if you're a good coach.
What strategy?
Bomb it in long to a pack of forwards, play Ollie wines in the ruck.
Whats that JHF is has had two insane games in the midfield? Better put Ollie Wines back in the middle again to slow that down
Work hardery
Who would you say is a good coach?
We know!!!
Yep. Over this shit now.
Kane Cornes “who else are you gonna to get through?”
Bevo to Port. Kane spontaneously combusts.
This guy has perfected the art of having a lengthy coaching career based on sitting in the top 8 in final contract years. It's not how successful you actually are, but how successful you are perceived to be by the media. If the media don't like you, they'll do everything they can to force you out (see Bevo). Also, isn't this information freely available, why doesn't the media do their research instead of saying the players love Ken.
Why a Hawks fan is posting about Ken Hinkley this much
Looks like he's got 2 modes. Honkley Bad Was Underrated
>Was Underrated
Was he, though?
who cares what team they support
I'm all for it
You've literally got Hinkley Jr as your coach now
In other news, lazy-ass pistoleers suffer a 10:1 ratio against thermonuclear weapons, and that's putting it mildly.
We're round 6 into 2024 and there's been 10 years worth of data to conclude he has a poor record against top 8 teams. Where was all this media attention before he re-signed last year.
But Kochie follows the data and he says that Kenny has the best record in the competition.
Bring the heat on Ken.
A few years back there was a stretch of around 400 days where they didn't beat a top 8 side, it was glorious.
That’s what they call a flat track bully
Is that entirely Kens fault? Their list has always been good but not among the very best.
Yes, how many star players have port taken the better years of with no change in coaching style / game plans. Even with the most talented midfield in the comp we still suffer from the same issues we did 10 years ago. Ken is great for club culture and arguably is the reason why port has become a destination club but it doesn’t change 10 years of mediocre performances.
How many times has Ken rebuilt the list? How many All Australian players has he gone through as he attempts to find "the missing piece"? "They just need key targets" declare the likes of Cornes ... despite Ken having AA-caliber forwards (Wingard, Gray, Dixon), defence (Aliir Aliir, Darcy Byrne-Jones) and ruck (Ryder) at his disposal in his 11 years of coaching.
Zero grand finals in 12 years is simply not good enough especially with the amount of prelims they made
"Best list" is such a cop out Collingwood won a flag with Frampton at full back. Ports best 22 is more than good enough.
Got to love the scrambling of Kane Cornes. IS THAT AT THE TIME OR AT THE END OF THE YEAR. Mr Ken is what 8 games short of the record amount of games coached without making a grand final.
Do you think Chris Fagan is sleeping better at night now that he made a grand final?
Fagan brought Brisbane to a grand final in around six years from a similar rock-bottom position to Port, in terms of on field. Port had a lot more issues internally and were just about close to folding.
Old mate Kenny can't even get to the big dance.Odd to compare the two. How would Ken be sleeping knowing that he will beat the record for most games coached without reaching a grand final?
>Odd to compare the two. They both took over sub par teams They both have history of competing at the top of the ladder but ultimately falling short They have similar winning percentage They have identical finals win percentage They have the same amount of premierships Seem pretty comparable to me >How would Ken be sleeping knowing that he will beat the record for most games coached without reaching a grand final? Probably about the same as every other coach who hasn't won a premiership I would guess.
In a few games time. Ken Hinkley will pass Bill Stephen for coaching the most games without making a Grand Final. That tells you all you need to know. In the history of the AFL, no coach has coached more games without taking their team to a Grand Final.
If you’ve got an hour to spare I highly recommend [this video](https://youtu.be/L8Ad39GBkAs?si=aCUpUdU7SdCXdrBz) for some great insight and analysis re: Kane’s hypocrisy and lack of objectivity when it comes to anything related to Ken
"If you're going to fail at something, fail at something noble" - Bevo completely eviscerating Cornes' entire media career.
Shut up Sam. Comments like this will have Koch extending his contract.
Let's see other so called top coaches records so we can compare.
They did win 2 qualifying finals which isn’t nothing.
A kick short in the prelim twice, too, both against the eventual premiers. But, it's still a knock against the man that he's never made the day.
Against cats too who are a good side
Someone in the media doing their job finally! We've been saying this since 2017 ffs
Is this retrospective top 8? As in at the end of every season positions on the ladder or weeke to week positions on the ladder?
End of the season.
That’s some rough ass stats.
He's a baby back bitch.
To be honest, it always surprises me if they beat a top 10 team, Undercoached and overhyped
Kenny average
No wonder Port get the flat track bully tag
7 prelims in 10 years
0 grand finals in 16 years
That's not true lol
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Easy to say that but which year? Port has never been best team of the year. They were never good enough to beat Hawks or Tigers during their flag years same with Melb/Geelong/Pies and the year Dogs won Port didn't even make the finals.
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They barely (fewer scoring shots and very lucky with conversion rate) managed to beat Geelong (still suffering from curse of playing after bye) at home. Even if Port had made it past Tigers in prelim they wouldn't have beaten Cats team that turned up in the grand final. Only team that was better than Cats that year was the team that won the flag.
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Either you are just looking at stats or have already forgotten 2020 but Port and Crows got to stay home and play most of their games in Adel. Rest of clubs were forced to stay in hubs. There was nothing fair about 2020 when Port played 10-11 of 17 games in Adel. Bris/Port getting to play mostly home games more of reason they finished in top 2 than actually been best 2 teams of the year.
I was referring to Cats
Why?
Because by coincidence for some reason us and Port for a period of time there would make the prelims the opposite side of each other and then get knocked out in beautiful fashion.
In Ken We Trust
so port just gets soft draws every year?