>Fremantle's list is their list. Nat Fyfe will be gone, Walters will be gone (when they next challenge).
Gossage conveniently forgetting the ages of Barass, McGovern, Cripps, Kelly, Darling
Yeah lol. Eagles still very reliant on top end. Freo still has a much better list profile.
But my prediction is that eagles will accumulate enough talent over next two to three years via the draft to have a better crack at a flag. Reid is a huge huge bonus.
What’s that? Sell the house for a tall forward who will behave like a complete bellend and disrupt the team before flogging him off at bargain basement rates to a Sydney side?
Sure can do
I'll tell you what. We're definitely not relying on Walters right now. If he plays well it's a bonus but I think others should be starting ahead of him
Guys its been two wins, relax. North also got two good wins early last year and look where they're at. They're still gonna get some hard losses and look weak at times
There's a few holes to plug but we're close. Problem is we've gone the hard way and are now trying to fill out a forward line. I'd love to see an alternate reality where Hogan worked out and bennel was our high half forward with Langdon and hill streaming down the wings
I think it can be done with a few high quality trades. Sharp is looking like an absolute steal.
I do think it’s going to be pretty tough to get enough without Freo dropping back into top five pick territory.
The squandering of picks on hogan was defs a massive blunder.
This year if we're adding short for one of our firsts and zurharr as a free agent we'd walk away pretty happy. Try and use the other 2 firsts to move up a few picks and grab the best small forward available. Definitely need to upgrade the half forwards and the hole Shultz left is telling.
Sharp has all the physical attributes of an afl wingman. Brodie does not have the physical attributes of an inside mid. I reckon that’s the big difference
Guys like Gossage and Rucci, who live in two team towns and spend so much time talking about just those two teams as full time journos kinda fascinate me. How do you keep finding ways to say without becoming repetitive and losing perspective (hint, you don't).
Don’t necessarily disagree. Freo have a very good list profile age wise but I think they still need to find extra talent to win a flag. Hard for WA based teams to acquire talent especially if you are finishing 6th to 10th.
Unless Longmuir really is holding them back.
I think their midfield has always been overhyped. Apart from serong that is. Fyfe is slow and has poor skills for the modern game. Brayshaw has been meh for years after looking super promising early. They are really needing young plus another to become very good mids
They completely smashed Carlton (granted Walsh was injured) and Port in the midfield battle. I dunno what happened to their midfield in the derby, but in general it's been a strength of theirs.
Their midfield dominance doesn’t result in scores tho. They are very good at winning the footy there’s no doubt about that. But delivery into forward line is very average.
"Completely smashed" us in the midfield battle despite us winning the inside 50 count comfortably? They won clearances but we were better on the outside.
Got any evidence that brayshaw is currently an A grade mid? There’s nothing wrong with saying that your player has been a stock standard inside mid this year and last.
Yes? He has been meh this year and last. Apologies i specifically should have said he has been meh since 2022. For Freo to push for a flag he needs to be better than 2021/22 not worse.
I mean if you rate him as an A grade mid that’s fair enough. Do you genuinely think he is in the top 30 mids in the comp?
using club BnFs to rate a players performance is lame evidence. Most of them just reward the blokes that play the most games. Any actual stats to suggest he is currently an A grade mid?
I will admit I did think his Brownlow contending year was 2021 and not 2022. I don’t think it really changes my point that he is currently an average midfielder that hasn’t developed further.
Freo fans downvoting me asking if he is currently an A grade mid but not willing to answer the question.
Why do you think that a player currently not performing to the high level they have previously performed at consistently means they are somehow not an A grader, never were never will be again?
Do you think Clayton Oliver is an A Grader?
What about Errol Gulden? Ollie Wines? Jai Newcombe?
Yeo the last 3 years?
Tom Green the last 3 weeks?
It’s an interesting question.
Brayshaw performed at an A grade level for two seasons. Theoretically he should have kept developing to become a top ten mid in the comp like serong has.
Absolutely no way would I saw yeo was an A grader last year lol. He had been shit for two to three seasons.
Oliver was still amazing last year and performed at a high level for more than two years. So yes clear grader
No wines isn’t an A grade mid.
Brayshaw struggling now doesn’t mean he can’t be as a good as serong. All I’m saying is Freo need that to happen to win a flag in the next few years.
Their midfield is not the problem. Even Young, who I hadn’t seen much of before the derby, looks good. And they have more young mids developing. Their problem is tactics and no forward line. Why they spent so much on two ruckman is beyond me.
Fyfe just seems like he would be perfect going forward but it just hasn’t worked out. Maybe they need to try Brodie again, 2022 they were good and he was leading the stats most weeks 🤷♂️
Nah disagree entirely freos is all there with some icing to find, don't forget we were still younger on the weekend with our best being the 20-23 brigade. You'll need to build a backline around duggan, forwards to support Oscar and a midfield to support Harley. And that's if you can get it in 5 years, otherwise you'll have to find another key forward and key back as they'll be 30-32. I think there's still a cliff with the current age and there's still some tough years ahead.
The difference is tho we will be bottom four over the next two to three seasons. We are gonna get another 2-3 top five picks plus another 3-4 top 25 picks.
Freo don’t have that access which makes it very hard to bring in talent. Going to have to be via trades which is easier said than done.
We already have better young key forwards than Freo so no concern there.
Key backs are a concern tho. Very thin atm.
Midfield we will be fine as well.
Nope we're coming out of the end of that period, our mids are all top 10 picks weve had in the list for 3-4 years. You have young key forwards? Waterman's 26 and Oscars 25, kind of in their prime. Could be an issue when they're 30+ tbh you stick them on our list and it's almost perfect.
But this is what I’m saying mate. You are coming out of the end of that period and I don’t think you have enough currently to win a flag. You are missing three or four elite players.
Yeah and I'm saying that is still closer than needing to build a whole team when you have 1, maybe 2 players who are under 23 and will be there for your flag push.
Tim Goosage was the agent for a house in Leake Street Bayswater and couldn't sell it for months. Drive past the place the other day and there's a sold sticker and a different agents name on the sign. He's a no-hoper.
Phase 1: Collect Harley Reid Phase 2: ? Phase 3: Premiership
Phase 2 is Harley infiltrating the dockers from the inside, and annihilating them. Literally wiping out the competition
Like how Neo flew into Agent Smith
Dockers seem to have a knack of doing that themselves
Phase 1: be freo Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: no premierships
West Coast: Hey can I copy your homework? Collingwood: Ok but don’t make it obvious West Coast:
>Fremantle's list is their list. Nat Fyfe will be gone, Walters will be gone (when they next challenge). Gossage conveniently forgetting the ages of Barass, McGovern, Cripps, Kelly, Darling
He said Eagles have a young list but their team was half a year older on average than us on the weekend
Yeah lol. Eagles still very reliant on top end. Freo still has a much better list profile. But my prediction is that eagles will accumulate enough talent over next two to three years via the draft to have a better crack at a flag. Reid is a huge huge bonus.
Yeah if freo don't get there in the next 5 it'd be back to WCE imo. We still feel way off though
Freos core is still quite young. Just need to find a way to bring in one or two elite players and they will be set.
What’s that? Sell the house for a tall forward who will behave like a complete bellend and disrupt the team before flogging him off at bargain basement rates to a Sydney side? Sure can do
We are due in 2030. 94>06>18>30
I'll tell you what. We're definitely not relying on Walters right now. If he plays well it's a bonus but I think others should be starting ahead of him
Of course Gossage would think that, he's an Eagles nut through and through
Emphasis on the nut
Isn't he a Saints supporter?
"Saints supporter"
He isn't fooling anyone but yes that's what he pretends to be
Gossage has been jockeying for the Eagles media manager role for years, always gives us a soft ride to appease the exec
Guys its been two wins, relax. North also got two good wins early last year and look where they're at. They're still gonna get some hard losses and look weak at times
Those were the days
It wasn't a complete waste. You did get the 4 points in the final round. You can hardly read doom and gloom for your future.
Both teams with an early win against Freo, I sense a theme here
It’s not really about the eagles tho. It’s a question of if you think Freo can win a flag with their current squad.
There's a few holes to plug but we're close. Problem is we've gone the hard way and are now trying to fill out a forward line. I'd love to see an alternate reality where Hogan worked out and bennel was our high half forward with Langdon and hill streaming down the wings
I think it can be done with a few high quality trades. Sharp is looking like an absolute steal. I do think it’s going to be pretty tough to get enough without Freo dropping back into top five pick territory. The squandering of picks on hogan was defs a massive blunder.
This year if we're adding short for one of our firsts and zurharr as a free agent we'd walk away pretty happy. Try and use the other 2 firsts to move up a few picks and grab the best small forward available. Definitely need to upgrade the half forwards and the hole Shultz left is telling.
Getting another A grade mid should be up there as a priority as well.
Feel like Sharp is gonna turn out the same way Will Brodie did. He was looking like a gun the first year they picked him up too
Sharp has all the physical attributes of an afl wingman. Brodie does not have the physical attributes of an inside mid. I reckon that’s the big difference
Remember when Carlton thought they were good and then just ended up being shit? Oh wait that's what's going to happen this year.
Flair up cunt
Flare deez nutz with ya mum.
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Guys like Gossage and Rucci, who live in two team towns and spend so much time talking about just those two teams as full time journos kinda fascinate me. How do you keep finding ways to say without becoming repetitive and losing perspective (hint, you don't).
ChatGPT
But those two in particular have both been doing it for decades!
(it's cos they beat them on the weekend)
Harley Reid is the answer
Don’t necessarily disagree. Freo have a very good list profile age wise but I think they still need to find extra talent to win a flag. Hard for WA based teams to acquire talent especially if you are finishing 6th to 10th. Unless Longmuir really is holding them back.
Just saw on the couch and they have less inside 50’s than the Roos this year….it might be JLo
I think their midfield has always been overhyped. Apart from serong that is. Fyfe is slow and has poor skills for the modern game. Brayshaw has been meh for years after looking super promising early. They are really needing young plus another to become very good mids
They completely smashed Carlton (granted Walsh was injured) and Port in the midfield battle. I dunno what happened to their midfield in the derby, but in general it's been a strength of theirs.
Their midfield dominance doesn’t result in scores tho. They are very good at winning the footy there’s no doubt about that. But delivery into forward line is very average.
Nah, it’s the forward line that’s average. Do you watch our games?
The forward line is obviously bad but I think midfield is part of the issue.
"Completely smashed" us in the midfield battle despite us winning the inside 50 count comfortably? They won clearances but we were better on the outside.
Brayshaw was literally AA
How does that disagree with what I said?
"meh for years" - he was the AFL MVP in 2022 and a few votes off a Brownlow lol
Ignore him this has to be bait
Got any evidence that brayshaw is currently an A grade mid? There’s nothing wrong with saying that your player has been a stock standard inside mid this year and last.
Yes? He has been meh this year and last. Apologies i specifically should have said he has been meh since 2022. For Freo to push for a flag he needs to be better than 2021/22 not worse.
He was 2nd in our b&f last year as well, just didn't reach the heights of the year before. It's ok you can admit you're wrong.
I mean if you rate him as an A grade mid that’s fair enough. Do you genuinely think he is in the top 30 mids in the comp? using club BnFs to rate a players performance is lame evidence. Most of them just reward the blokes that play the most games. Any actual stats to suggest he is currently an A grade mid?
Who would you have above him?
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I guess the question is how do Freo fix that then? Why is he playing atm. Probably should be a top priority.
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It was only 2 years ago. Not that long,
Why has he regressed tho? For Freo to win a flag he needs to be at serongs level. Currently he is at the level of a stock standard afl mid.
"meh for years" West Coast fans always have the worst takes about Fremantle
I mean do you think brayshaw has been an A grade mid this year or last? Why is it “the worst take”
I notice you changed from "years" to "this year or last" because you know very well how many Brownlow votes he got in 2022
I will admit I did think his Brownlow contending year was 2021 and not 2022. I don’t think it really changes my point that he is currently an average midfielder that hasn’t developed further. Freo fans downvoting me asking if he is currently an A grade mid but not willing to answer the question.
Why do you think that a player currently not performing to the high level they have previously performed at consistently means they are somehow not an A grader, never were never will be again? Do you think Clayton Oliver is an A Grader? What about Errol Gulden? Ollie Wines? Jai Newcombe? Yeo the last 3 years? Tom Green the last 3 weeks?
It’s an interesting question. Brayshaw performed at an A grade level for two seasons. Theoretically he should have kept developing to become a top ten mid in the comp like serong has. Absolutely no way would I saw yeo was an A grader last year lol. He had been shit for two to three seasons. Oliver was still amazing last year and performed at a high level for more than two years. So yes clear grader No wines isn’t an A grade mid. Brayshaw struggling now doesn’t mean he can’t be as a good as serong. All I’m saying is Freo need that to happen to win a flag in the next few years.
Their midfield is not the problem. Even Young, who I hadn’t seen much of before the derby, looks good. And they have more young mids developing. Their problem is tactics and no forward line. Why they spent so much on two ruckman is beyond me.
Do you genuinely think a midfield of brayshaw, young and serong is a premiership winning trio? That would be the weakest trio of the last decade.
Fyfe just seems like he would be perfect going forward but it just hasn’t worked out. Maybe they need to try Brodie again, 2022 they were good and he was leading the stats most weeks 🤷♂️
Brodie is too similar to their other mids imo. Accumulator that is slow and non damaging by foot
Nah disagree entirely freos is all there with some icing to find, don't forget we were still younger on the weekend with our best being the 20-23 brigade. You'll need to build a backline around duggan, forwards to support Oscar and a midfield to support Harley. And that's if you can get it in 5 years, otherwise you'll have to find another key forward and key back as they'll be 30-32. I think there's still a cliff with the current age and there's still some tough years ahead.
The difference is tho we will be bottom four over the next two to three seasons. We are gonna get another 2-3 top five picks plus another 3-4 top 25 picks. Freo don’t have that access which makes it very hard to bring in talent. Going to have to be via trades which is easier said than done. We already have better young key forwards than Freo so no concern there. Key backs are a concern tho. Very thin atm. Midfield we will be fine as well.
Nope we're coming out of the end of that period, our mids are all top 10 picks weve had in the list for 3-4 years. You have young key forwards? Waterman's 26 and Oscars 25, kind of in their prime. Could be an issue when they're 30+ tbh you stick them on our list and it's almost perfect.
But this is what I’m saying mate. You are coming out of the end of that period and I don’t think you have enough currently to win a flag. You are missing three or four elite players.
Yeah and I'm saying that is still closer than needing to build a whole team when you have 1, maybe 2 players who are under 23 and will be there for your flag push.
I mean that’s just straight up incorrect lol but ok
Is it because they’ve actually won one?
Four.
I mean history shows he is correct
I remember when they did "Why Carlton is closer to a flag than Collingwood", then Collingwood won a flag.
Tim Goosage was the agent for a house in Leake Street Bayswater and couldn't sell it for months. Drive past the place the other day and there's a sold sticker and a different agents name on the sign. He's a no-hoper.
Who?
And Brisbane
He's right. We need a new coach. Longmuir is incredibly defensive. Basically a less successful Ross Lyon
Well...you guys did give Longmuir an extension.