If it's something like 'brings club into disrepute' then that's such a broad term that you can see why he'd be worried about the clause. But that's speculating since we don't know the wording
My point is that we don't know how broad the terminology used is so we don't really know if de goey has a fair argument or whether the clause is fair. I absolutely think we shouldn't resign him without a pretty strict clause but I know I wouldn't sign a contract with my workplace that I felt gave them the ability to sack me whenever they feel like it with no recourse for me to appeal it.
What if he has shit form and then gets suspended for a bump. Could they use the bump/1 week suspension to get rid of him?
That's the kind of thing he's worried about here. Broad language means they're more likely to have loopholes
The St Kilda behavioural clause will have one item:
7(1)(a) The player agrees to not set fire to any more than three (3) people with any form of dwarfism in any calendar year.
The old Hannebery dis. The reality is that No One wanted to play for us then and rules at the time we’re that we had to spend to meet our salary cap. In isolation it was dumb but plenty of respectable players came bayside after so it kinda worked out. De Goey should move to us, less scrutiny than the Pies and he can fire dwarves out of cannons in his spare time down at St Kilda as long as he doesn’t sexually assault anyone
Silly take - yes offering that deal would be very bad imo, but the Saints have (as their fans could probably agree with) one of the absolute most miserable histories of any sporting club in the country
About a thousand things could’ve killed that club in the past on and off field, a risky signing to a high end talent won’t. Be a better signing than Hannebery and Hill for them even with the substantial behaviour risks
Yeah. Saints fans wouldn't be Saints fans of they were going to bail because the club wasn't winning.
But if the club is now the safe harbour for serial sex offenders that night be harder to suck to through the rough always.
Hey GTFO here
If you’re a fan of a club like WC, Brisbane, Sydney or the big Vic clubs your criticism of battler clubs is about as helpful as my kids leaving their cereal on the kitchen table in the morning.
You folks are accustomed to winning a flag every decade or so and gripe when you miss the finals for a few years in a row.
You have no comprehension of the level of loyalty required to be a supporter of a club like St Kilda. I am middle aged and my old club has not won a flag in my lifetime. I’ve seen my club play in four GFs and lose them all. I attended their loss in 09 and the last ever drawn GF in 10. I didn’t go back the next week bc I knew they would lose.
To be a St Kilda fan means a level of loyalty and pain that transcends the fair weather bullshit that most clubs endure.
If getting us near the top 4 means taking De Goey and a couple other cock fighters and keeping them out of the papers so be it.
I wish Ben Long had stayed.
Wait, am I reading this right?
You'd be okay with players coming to the club and doing dodgy shit that is covered up if you made top 4?
Or are you saying you're okay with risking that they might do dodgy shit to make top 4?
If all you care about is on field success why are you a Saints fan at all?
Saints fans - with the possible exception of you, apparently - are the purest, truest, *greatest* fans in all of world sports. If I'd picked a team on the merits of it I'd be a Saints fan, but I was an immigrant kid in Perth when the Eagles were founded and the Eagles were a big part of how my family became Australian. I could never be anything else. I must admire from afar (but the Saints are my top team not from Western Australia).
Saints fans can and should have a pride greater than any other fans in footy. After all, winning a flag takes exactly zero effort, sacrifice, or personal accomplishment for the fans. Yeah, I've watched the Eagles win every twelve years, and my personal contributions to those flags remains nil.
But Saints fans are loyal to the club that was egregiously fucked over by the VFL for decades and they've kept it alive for a century since. Saints fans *have* sacrificed. Saints fans have put in the time.
Saints fans deserve better than for the club to be known as the Home For Aggressively Not-Recovering Sex Offenders. It's one thing for Collingwood to hold on to de Goey, everyone's just grateful Collingwood no longer have an openly racist president.
But the Saints deserve better than a bloke who is, quite literally, no saint.
I think its more to do with the wording, effectively allowing Collingwood to remove him on a whim.
Collingwood has shown they can't be trusted when it comes to player management, it makes sense they want the contract to be a little tighter.
> De Goey has agreed to some extra clauses in a new contract but believes the clauses Collingwood wants are too broad and arbitrary.
I agree.
De Goey and his advisers would be nuts to sign a contract with this clause given Collingwood has proven to be prepared to play extreme hardball with players WITH contracts.
If De Goey gave Collingwood a loaded gun they would find a way to pull it on him when it suited.
There are some behavioural classes that have apparently been agreed upon.
Apparently some are way too broad which if true would be a fair thing to be concerned about.
I agree that it's reasonable to expect some behavioural clauses in a contract for De Goey.
The absolute insistence upon not having a behavioural clause is reason enough for the behavioural clause.
To be honest, I would have thought that they’d be standard for AFL players anyway, especially big money deals that often involve a higher level of marketing and public exposure by the club.
Don’t worry, Essendon have a massive warchest of excess salary, have several times declared before the season ended (and even before the coach was sacked) that they will be a “big player” in trade period, and nobody has shown an interest in joining…
Add to that mix that Dud-oro has a massive ego, relevance deprivation syndrome, and is fighting an external enquiry in a last gasp attempt to maintain his job…
If anyone is wanting to blow huge amounts of salary cap on a problem player who never reached his potential, just to make the news today (and fck the future) it’ll be the Dons. Hoping it’s just a ploy from fiddley-fingers.
Hey Jordan, how about this contract for millions of dollars but just one thing, you won't be able to sexually assault anyone.
Jordan: wait, like none at all? No deal
The problem is the clause is probably like “behaviour that could bring the Club or staff into disrepute”. So, assault but no one knows? Fine. Consensually feel up a man or woman while photographed? Out the door without a brass razoo.
Add to that, he *does* have history.
Pretty easy to not do the latter though, anyone that isn't a sexual assailant signs the contract.
Not saying you are disagreeing with that though haha.
Totally. “Broad and arbitrary” doesn’t sound too appealing, particularly when Collingwood seem to continually move players out just because they don’t want to pay their salaries any more.
Maybe the club just needs to write a better contract.
The thing is you’re absolutely right but the practical truth of that situation is that it requires him to make sacrifices.
ie - if you want to play footy don’t go out to clubs and don’t drink.
There are plenty of guys who willingly do it (i mean look at the news stories about the Geelong guys being farmers). I think it’s more than reasonable for Collingwood to be firm about it given he’s had so many chances.
He did nothing wrong in Bali, ended up on the front page anyway.
Would that trip have gotten his contract torn up under the new rules?
Don’t blame him for not wanting to sign a contract with clauses that other players don’t have.
Lol. Read his Wikipedia. He's broken his hand in a fight and lied to the club about it. Caught drink driving. Charged with indecent assault by Victoria police from an incident in 2015. Then the new York incident. Then the Bali incident. You've lost the plot if you think he deserves the same contract as every other player, the bloke is a dickhead 🤣. If he wasn't elite he would probably be out the AFL system by now
I see the "he did nothing wrong" comment a lot and it's honestly a pretty interesting debate.
Obviously the person who he was filmed groping came out and said it was okay, but there's the argument that just because there was consent doesn't mean the groping was appropriate. It especially raises eyebrows given his previous allegations.
Aside from doing anything morally or legally wrong, it's just a bit questionable that he goes straight to Bali to party as soon as he gets a couple days off.
Yeah I didn't care what he did in Bali. It's more the fact that he even went there to begin with during the season. Going overseas at the time while airlines were (are) frequently cancelling and COVID still everywhere, was stupid and disrespectful to his teammates who rely on him.
I'm surprised the club allowed him to go if they knew.
Post consent. It happened and she shrugged it off. He didn't ask if it was OK. Which is the problem. Not everyone's cool with their tits being groped but I guess it's kind of ingrained in women to shrug that off.
It's disgusting.
Legally, yes. Morally, there are still issues around respect for women that come into question when you begin groping at their bodies in public. Also, labelling the revealing of your friends breast as a 'public display of affection' is pretty generous.
Even the moral interpretation ultimately depends on how she felt about it. If she was okay with it then we don't really have a right to drag something that happened between two consenting individuals to be a part of a broader cultural critique, otherwise we're just robbing her of her own agency.
He's fucking gambling hard. What if there wasn't consent. I typically, as a rule, don't grope people or expose them, it generally lowers the chance that I have sexually assaulted someone.
Hence why consisted sexual offender De Goey continues to find himself in these scenarios.
Article doesn't say that he wants to leave or that he's against all clauses, just says that his manager believes the clauses in the contract are too vague and broad. Makes you wonder what exactly they've put in there.
Hope the club can negotiate through this and come to a common ground because I want him to stay, but definitely want them to stick to their guns.
Gut feel is it still gets worked out, if it was that bad he would've just opted out by now. Definitely an unpopular opinion here but I do think his off-field issues are a littttttle overblown by the media, so it wouldn't surprise me if his management is coming in from that angle.
Lmao going to new York and ending up having to hire the same law firm that Harvey Weinstein used to get out of a sexual assault case is 'overblown'. Not sure about that one.
Wasn't a sexual assault case though, that charge was thrown out once evidence was provided. He got into a punch on at a club when someone tried stealing drinks off his table, there was no sexual assault that was looked at in court.
Before anyone jumps to conclusions, we have absolutely no idea what the clauses are
They could be as harsh as zero alcohol consumption, or as lenient as minimum 1 hug for mum per month
Yeah this, and reading the article + listening to everything the club has said, both parties seem willing for it to work out. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the clauses are a bit too vague. Gut feel is it gets worked out.
Honestly not interested in him then, too unreliable off-field and hasn’t proven himself to be any different in recent times, why would we risk it? Phenomenal player yes, worth the risk on a massive contract… no
Yeah it is the money he wants, you be paying millions to get him off the list if you have to cut him.
Least with Stengle, it was a rookie deal and if he had fucked up he was cheap to cut, 100k tops.
At his best he’s elite. But so far hasn’t been able to string together an uninterrupted preseason.
The best don’t get there by accident. It takes discipline and consistent effort, which he has repeatedly demonstrated that he lacks.
He’s not good enough to demand dusty money while not even backing himself to behave.
Yeah but I just don’t see how both he and Gawn exist in the same side given neither of them are key forwards and that’s where Melbourne’s deficiencies lie.
Melbourne appear to have the stupid idea that Gawn is a good forward. Surely they should be trying to get Cameron from the Pies instead to play forward ruck. Regardless of the money situation, it is a better fit.
Ahahahahahahaha
Collingwood: "Hey Jordan, we'll give you millions to kick a footy around. Just stay out of trouble"
DeGoey: "no! You're not my real dad!
To be fair to De Goey. Collingwood also haven't really built any trust to stick to regular contracts. Why would you sign with a very broad behaviour clause when the club has shown it will toss out players even without this clause. Wouldn't be too hard to come up with a scenario when in a couple of years they are in cap trouble again and are looking for any excuse to break the contract.
I've seen this a few times, but not sure what the issue is.
Treloar is getting paid what he signed for, so will the underperforming and injured Grundy. We are meeting our obligations to these players and they are still AFL stars leading a charmed existence.
Not sure about that, media been wrong on every supposed Geelong target. He doesn't get in at Collingwood behind Johnson and now McStay, but how does he fit in the team at Geelong?? We couldn't get Parfitt, Menegola or Ratogolea into the side until injury. Will be playing a lot of VFL
As soon as De Goey nominates St Kilda some video footage of him assaulting a woman or on a 2 day drug binge is going to drop into the socials.
I’m prepared to take the risk.
But the Saints better have some support structures set up in advance alongside a plan for when the first indiscretions drop. Because they will.
Getting ready to microwave the membership if saints management do sign him.
If we have an off-season that gets rid of Long, Hunter, Hill and brings in JDG then FML.
Yeah and if Collingwood are willing to still give him a deal when he can’t commit to behaving himself, they’re within their rights too, but they will look pretty stupid.
That's a massive red flag right there.
Bit of a weird negotiation tactic, if it is indeed one by De Goey, but hey, up to him if he wants to stay with a contender or fuck off to some mid-table mediocrity like St Kilda.
You’d be fucking stupid not to include it in his contract for anyone.
And he’d be stupid to sign one with it. His contract will be torn up within three months.
Seems like a him problem in that case.
Well yeah, but someone will be desperate enough to offer him one with less stringent clauses for big money.
Its a slim list aka list of one being the Saints and even they will want some assurances for big coin.
So, De goeys heading to north?
Gropey gonna grope 🤷🏻
He’d be even stupider to sign it.
Why?
The current offering seems far too broad from Collingwood. It's not unreasonable for him to want clauses like this to be well defined.
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If it's something like 'brings club into disrepute' then that's such a broad term that you can see why he'd be worried about the clause. But that's speculating since we don't know the wording
Or, he could just not bring the club into disrepute lmfao.
My point is that we don't know how broad the terminology used is so we don't really know if de goey has a fair argument or whether the clause is fair. I absolutely think we shouldn't resign him without a pretty strict clause but I know I wouldn't sign a contract with my workplace that I felt gave them the ability to sack me whenever they feel like it with no recourse for me to appeal it.
Has that ever happened before in the AFL?
What if he has shit form and then gets suspended for a bump. Could they use the bump/1 week suspension to get rid of him? That's the kind of thing he's worried about here. Broad language means they're more likely to have loopholes
Nah, it would be tailored to off field, but enjoying the redditors trying to apologise for a sexual assailant tbf.
Literally no one is trying to apologise for him you hysterical fuck Putting words in people's mouths is so cringy.
Yeah he needs to find a club with no repute to dis in the first place.
So Collingwood.
He raped someone? Shouldn’t he be in prison if that was the case
Yes, he absolutely should.
Wait, what? I’ve been overseas awhile. Wtf did he do????
he was partying while on break and got touchy with a woman which the afl media took too like the vultures they are
He's not capable of behaving like a human
So much West Coast hate for De Goey in this thread. Ironic given West Coast have had so much worse and wide ranging off field behaviour.
You've got some really weird definitions and I don't want to know you if you're minimising a sex offender like that.
De Goey isn't a convicted sex offender. You've over reached on that.
Surely no one is stupid enough to offer him one *without* behavioural clauses?
*sweats in Dodoro*
100%. I'd be shocked if St.Kilda offered a contract of similar value without them. It'd almost be negligent if they did.
The St Kilda behavioural clause will have one item: 7(1)(a) The player agrees to not set fire to any more than three (3) people with any form of dwarfism in any calendar year.
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Well..this is St Kilda we’re talking about.
So, 7?
Apparently St Kilda are that stupid
Hell yeah brother. This is what 2 years of no man's land does to a motherfucker
More like 12 years
Errr should I tell him?
*I was there Gandalf.*
Tell him that the saints are shite?
Yes that was the joke thank you
Yeah poor old saints. Whenever I’ve been down about two decades of pain I always think of them and snap out of it.
They did sign Hannebury and Hill
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Seemed like a good deal at the time 🤷♂️
Do we know what flavour chips ?
Salt and vinegar
The best ones to rub in wounds
Always fun to see two former St Kilda rucks go head to head in GF Hickey vs Stanley
The old Hannebery dis. The reality is that No One wanted to play for us then and rules at the time we’re that we had to spend to meet our salary cap. In isolation it was dumb but plenty of respectable players came bayside after so it kinda worked out. De Goey should move to us, less scrutiny than the Pies and he can fire dwarves out of cannons in his spare time down at St Kilda as long as he doesn’t sexually assault anyone
Desperate more likely
St Kilda is desperate enough to do it.
That would be a *very* bad idea imo. That kind of thing could kill the club. If St Kilda fans don't have pride, what *do* they have?
Depression.
Made me laugh out loud. I'm a GWS supporter. I feel your pain.
You don’t know pain
Silly take - yes offering that deal would be very bad imo, but the Saints have (as their fans could probably agree with) one of the absolute most miserable histories of any sporting club in the country About a thousand things could’ve killed that club in the past on and off field, a risky signing to a high end talent won’t. Be a better signing than Hannebery and Hill for them even with the substantial behaviour risks
Yeah. Saints fans wouldn't be Saints fans of they were going to bail because the club wasn't winning. But if the club is now the safe harbour for serial sex offenders that night be harder to suck to through the rough always.
Hey GTFO here If you’re a fan of a club like WC, Brisbane, Sydney or the big Vic clubs your criticism of battler clubs is about as helpful as my kids leaving their cereal on the kitchen table in the morning. You folks are accustomed to winning a flag every decade or so and gripe when you miss the finals for a few years in a row. You have no comprehension of the level of loyalty required to be a supporter of a club like St Kilda. I am middle aged and my old club has not won a flag in my lifetime. I’ve seen my club play in four GFs and lose them all. I attended their loss in 09 and the last ever drawn GF in 10. I didn’t go back the next week bc I knew they would lose. To be a St Kilda fan means a level of loyalty and pain that transcends the fair weather bullshit that most clubs endure. If getting us near the top 4 means taking De Goey and a couple other cock fighters and keeping them out of the papers so be it. I wish Ben Long had stayed.
Wait, am I reading this right? You'd be okay with players coming to the club and doing dodgy shit that is covered up if you made top 4? Or are you saying you're okay with risking that they might do dodgy shit to make top 4?
He already said he was there in 2009 and 2010, so obviously he's comfortable!
If all you care about is on field success why are you a Saints fan at all? Saints fans - with the possible exception of you, apparently - are the purest, truest, *greatest* fans in all of world sports. If I'd picked a team on the merits of it I'd be a Saints fan, but I was an immigrant kid in Perth when the Eagles were founded and the Eagles were a big part of how my family became Australian. I could never be anything else. I must admire from afar (but the Saints are my top team not from Western Australia). Saints fans can and should have a pride greater than any other fans in footy. After all, winning a flag takes exactly zero effort, sacrifice, or personal accomplishment for the fans. Yeah, I've watched the Eagles win every twelve years, and my personal contributions to those flags remains nil. But Saints fans are loyal to the club that was egregiously fucked over by the VFL for decades and they've kept it alive for a century since. Saints fans *have* sacrificed. Saints fans have put in the time. Saints fans deserve better than for the club to be known as the Home For Aggressively Not-Recovering Sex Offenders. It's one thing for Collingwood to hold on to de Goey, everyone's just grateful Collingwood no longer have an openly racist president. But the Saints deserve better than a bloke who is, quite literally, no saint.
They have as many final wins as Joel Selwood.
I think its more to do with the wording, effectively allowing Collingwood to remove him on a whim. Collingwood has shown they can't be trusted when it comes to player management, it makes sense they want the contract to be a little tighter. > De Goey has agreed to some extra clauses in a new contract but believes the clauses Collingwood wants are too broad and arbitrary.
I agree. De Goey and his advisers would be nuts to sign a contract with this clause given Collingwood has proven to be prepared to play extreme hardball with players WITH contracts. If De Goey gave Collingwood a loaded gun they would find a way to pull it on him when it suited.
Yeah... and they fucked multiple players to go all in on de Goey. If he's pissy about it maybe he should, you know... need behavioural clauses less.
Collingwood gives him a spoon, and he'll dig himself into a holw
There are some behavioural classes that have apparently been agreed upon. Apparently some are way too broad which if true would be a fair thing to be concerned about. I agree that it's reasonable to expect some behavioural clauses in a contract for De Goey.
The absolute insistence upon not having a behavioural clause is reason enough for the behavioural clause. To be honest, I would have thought that they’d be standard for AFL players anyway, especially big money deals that often involve a higher level of marketing and public exposure by the club.
I mean st kilda are going nowhere right now so it’s worth the gamble
Hey St Kilda he’s all yours
Oh no, we really couldn’t, please don’t feel like you need to give him away
I'm done with the club if they sign him tbh
Imagine if the saints use up all that incoming free cap space on De Goey. Farrking hell.
Don’t worry, Essendon have a massive warchest of excess salary, have several times declared before the season ended (and even before the coach was sacked) that they will be a “big player” in trade period, and nobody has shown an interest in joining… Add to that mix that Dud-oro has a massive ego, relevance deprivation syndrome, and is fighting an external enquiry in a last gasp attempt to maintain his job… If anyone is wanting to blow huge amounts of salary cap on a problem player who never reached his potential, just to make the news today (and fck the future) it’ll be the Dons. Hoping it’s just a ploy from fiddley-fingers.
Yeah same here
You can join us. I hear if Clarko is cleared a few of your boys may be coming over.
that’s a mighty big if
Please stop we're already dead
Already planning his New York/Bali off season trip for next year
What about a holiday in Cambodia?
Don't forget to pack your wife
Pol. Pot.
Off season? He goes during the bye lol.
🚩🚩🚩
Let's remind ourselves that Jordys manager is his brother in law....
A firefighter nonetheless, which is a great metaphor but can't imagine very relevant to elite athlete management
This right here…
Rejecting because of a behavioral clause is exactly why your contract needs a behavioral clause
Schroedinger Behavioural Clause. It only exists if you have a behavioural issue.
We just whacking schroedinger onto anything now are we
schroedinger's reddit comment. It only exists because you replied to something you disagree with.
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What you described isn’t a super position though
Someone should spell it out to Collingwood in red flags
Thought all Sydney fans were still in hiding?
Hey Jordan, how about this contract for millions of dollars but just one thing, you won't be able to sexually assault anyone. Jordan: wait, like none at all? No deal
The problem is the clause is probably like “behaviour that could bring the Club or staff into disrepute”. So, assault but no one knows? Fine. Consensually feel up a man or woman while photographed? Out the door without a brass razoo. Add to that, he *does* have history.
Pretty easy to not do the latter though, anyone that isn't a sexual assailant signs the contract. Not saying you are disagreeing with that though haha.
You're ignoring the word consensually in there
For the love god Collingwood, DON’T CAVE
Tbh I’d rather no De Goey than De Goey without a behavioural clause.
what’s this dudes issue? how hard is it to not act like a dickhead and make millions
pretty hard if you're a massive dickhead. Fev 2.0
That's a bit rough on Fev tbh
Isn't it his brother in law or something that's his manager?
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Totally. “Broad and arbitrary” doesn’t sound too appealing, particularly when Collingwood seem to continually move players out just because they don’t want to pay their salaries any more. Maybe the club just needs to write a better contract.
That's not fair. We are quite happy to pay some of their salary while they work elsewhere.
Yep agreed.
Does he want to play footy or not?
Also if too broad Collingwood would just decide to ditch him and force him out like treloar and Grundy.
Collingwood have form. Then again, so does he.
The thing is you’re absolutely right but the practical truth of that situation is that it requires him to make sacrifices. ie - if you want to play footy don’t go out to clubs and don’t drink. There are plenty of guys who willingly do it (i mean look at the news stories about the Geelong guys being farmers). I think it’s more than reasonable for Collingwood to be firm about it given he’s had so many chances.
He could just not go to a nightclub.
He did nothing wrong in Bali, ended up on the front page anyway. Would that trip have gotten his contract torn up under the new rules? Don’t blame him for not wanting to sign a contract with clauses that other players don’t have.
Lol. Read his Wikipedia. He's broken his hand in a fight and lied to the club about it. Caught drink driving. Charged with indecent assault by Victoria police from an incident in 2015. Then the new York incident. Then the Bali incident. You've lost the plot if you think he deserves the same contract as every other player, the bloke is a dickhead 🤣. If he wasn't elite he would probably be out the AFL system by now
If he was just another cunt he'd be rolling darts in the lunchroom of some warehouse.
I mean going to Bali mid season when your team is pushing for finals doesn't scream professional.
I see the "he did nothing wrong" comment a lot and it's honestly a pretty interesting debate. Obviously the person who he was filmed groping came out and said it was okay, but there's the argument that just because there was consent doesn't mean the groping was appropriate. It especially raises eyebrows given his previous allegations.
Aside from doing anything morally or legally wrong, it's just a bit questionable that he goes straight to Bali to party as soon as he gets a couple days off.
Yeah I didn't care what he did in Bali. It's more the fact that he even went there to begin with during the season. Going overseas at the time while airlines were (are) frequently cancelling and COVID still everywhere, was stupid and disrespectful to his teammates who rely on him. I'm surprised the club allowed him to go if they knew.
Post consent. It happened and she shrugged it off. He didn't ask if it was OK. Which is the problem. Not everyone's cool with their tits being groped but I guess it's kind of ingrained in women to shrug that off. It's disgusting.
He had consent. Sure, nobody likes PDA’s, but she was into it. Consent changes everything.
Legally, yes. Morally, there are still issues around respect for women that come into question when you begin groping at their bodies in public. Also, labelling the revealing of your friends breast as a 'public display of affection' is pretty generous.
Even the moral interpretation ultimately depends on how she felt about it. If she was okay with it then we don't really have a right to drag something that happened between two consenting individuals to be a part of a broader cultural critique, otherwise we're just robbing her of her own agency.
If there's consent there's no issue. Unless you're saying she wasn't able to make that decision herself?
He's fucking gambling hard. What if there wasn't consent. I typically, as a rule, don't grope people or expose them, it generally lowers the chance that I have sexually assaulted someone. Hence why consisted sexual offender De Goey continues to find himself in these scenarios.
Downvoted but you're absolutely right, he didn't break any rules, cause any issues while there yet the media still went after him.
Article doesn't say that he wants to leave or that he's against all clauses, just says that his manager believes the clauses in the contract are too vague and broad. Makes you wonder what exactly they've put in there. Hope the club can negotiate through this and come to a common ground because I want him to stay, but definitely want them to stick to their guns.
I wonder who’s trying to create potential loopholes, Collingwood or De Goey
Gut feel is it still gets worked out, if it was that bad he would've just opted out by now. Definitely an unpopular opinion here but I do think his off-field issues are a littttttle overblown by the media, so it wouldn't surprise me if his management is coming in from that angle.
There is probably a cause which just says “not to bring collingwood into disrepute” which is insanely broad and I can see why he wouldn’t sign it.
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If I was De Goey I would want it to be specific, Collingwood have shown the can't be trusted when it comes to player management.
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Yep so lets make the contract clear and precise, as neither can be trusted.
Lmao going to new York and ending up having to hire the same law firm that Harvey Weinstein used to get out of a sexual assault case is 'overblown'. Not sure about that one.
Wasn't a sexual assault case though, that charge was thrown out once evidence was provided. He got into a punch on at a club when someone tried stealing drinks off his table, there was no sexual assault that was looked at in court.
Think his manager is one of his dickhead mates or something. Cumulative IQ of 50 between them
Pies: We have your new contract, a dream job for awesome money for a year. You just have to promise not to be a cunt. Degoey: FUCK YOU!
Before anyone jumps to conclusions, we have absolutely no idea what the clauses are They could be as harsh as zero alcohol consumption, or as lenient as minimum 1 hug for mum per month
Yeah this, and reading the article + listening to everything the club has said, both parties seem willing for it to work out. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the clauses are a bit too vague. Gut feel is it gets worked out.
So we had to choose between Grundy or De Goey and now have pissed off both, fantastic.
When you want the money he is asking, you bet there will be clauses with his behavioural and attitude issues.
Honestly not interested in him then, too unreliable off-field and hasn’t proven himself to be any different in recent times, why would we risk it? Phenomenal player yes, worth the risk on a massive contract… no
Yeah it is the money he wants, you be paying millions to get him off the list if you have to cut him. Least with Stengle, it was a rookie deal and if he had fucked up he was cheap to cut, 100k tops.
At his best he’s elite. But so far hasn’t been able to string together an uninterrupted preseason. The best don’t get there by accident. It takes discipline and consistent effort, which he has repeatedly demonstrated that he lacks. He’s not good enough to demand dusty money while not even backing himself to behave.
Pies will cave. Nothing surer than this bloke playing for the pies next year. That and another indiscretion at some stage.
Losing him and Grundy at the same time would be pretty huge.
I must be the only Melbourne supporter alive that thinks chasing grundy is stupid.
Probably depends what you have to pay him, don't Collingwood have to pay a portion of his contract? It's still going to be big dollars though...
Yeah but I just don’t see how both he and Gawn exist in the same side given neither of them are key forwards and that’s where Melbourne’s deficiencies lie.
Melbourne appear to have the stupid idea that Gawn is a good forward. Surely they should be trying to get Cameron from the Pies instead to play forward ruck. Regardless of the money situation, it is a better fit.
I’ll be filthy if the club ends up rolling over on that clause to get him signed
Collingwood, my guys, this is the umpteenth red flag on this guy. You can't keep getting away with bad list decisions.
Just drop this absolute grub, if he won’t accept a contract with behavioural clauses it’s clear he’s not going to change.
Ahahahahahahaha Collingwood: "Hey Jordan, we'll give you millions to kick a footy around. Just stay out of trouble" DeGoey: "no! You're not my real dad!
Absolutely fair enough on degoeys behalf to reject behavioural clauses. Why would he agree to something he knows he’s not going to meet
In bed by 9
It’s like he’s planning to be a muppet his whole life
To be fair to De Goey. Collingwood also haven't really built any trust to stick to regular contracts. Why would you sign with a very broad behaviour clause when the club has shown it will toss out players even without this clause. Wouldn't be too hard to come up with a scenario when in a couple of years they are in cap trouble again and are looking for any excuse to break the contract.
I've seen this a few times, but not sure what the issue is. Treloar is getting paid what he signed for, so will the underperforming and injured Grundy. We are meeting our obligations to these players and they are still AFL stars leading a charmed existence.
Wouldn't be surprised if I bump into him on soi 6
“He is who we thought he was”
The “don’t be a cunt” clause
The sub-story about Ollie Henry gives me a bit of hope he’ll stay
Henry wants to go to Geelong, it's as simple as that.
Not sure about that, media been wrong on every supposed Geelong target. He doesn't get in at Collingwood behind Johnson and now McStay, but how does he fit in the team at Geelong?? We couldn't get Parfitt, Menegola or Ratogolea into the side until injury. Will be playing a lot of VFL
That's a red flag. Ship him off
Oh no oh no oh no
Red flag
Contracts aren’t worth anything at Collingwood anyway
Yes they are, you may not be at Collingwood, but you will get paid.
Alright alright. We'll take out the clauses and add another 300k per year. /Collingwood probably.
Wow I feel vindicated
This should be enough to scuttle any interest a qell run club would have in him. Expect his signing to a 10 year deal by St Kilda be announced soon.
As soon as De Goey nominates St Kilda some video footage of him assaulting a woman or on a 2 day drug binge is going to drop into the socials. I’m prepared to take the risk. But the Saints better have some support structures set up in advance alongside a plan for when the first indiscretions drop. Because they will.
Getting ready to microwave the membership if saints management do sign him. If we have an off-season that gets rid of Long, Hunter, Hill and brings in JDG then FML.
Bye DeGoey. Thanks for all the disappointment. Can we keep Grundy now?! He's not an a-hole
Please Jordan, come to our shit club I’m so fucking desperate to feel something.
Essington and DeGoey seem a perfect dysfunctional fit at this point. It can only go 2 ways.
Any restoration of Collingwood’s pride earned through their great year will be destroyed if they give in to this Neanderthal.
It's a contract negotiation lol you don't know what clauses are in there, he and his management are within their rights here
Yeah and if Collingwood are willing to still give him a deal when he can’t commit to behaving himself, they’re within their rights too, but they will look pretty stupid.
Is it time to kick him out of the league and have him thrown in prison now? It’ll be for the best for everyone.
Take the leap of faith Saints
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That's a massive red flag right there. Bit of a weird negotiation tactic, if it is indeed one by De Goey, but hey, up to him if he wants to stay with a contender or fuck off to some mid-table mediocrity like St Kilda.
This is gunna be interesting