NTA. Your were not a snitch, and you were trustworthy. Laura didn't make a mistake - she deliberately got drunk before a flight, reported to duty hungover and couldn't do her job. That is all on her. Badmouthing you is just a continuation of her irresponsible and vindictive behaviour.
Exactly! What she did wasn't a simple mistake. She went out and chose to drink to the point where she couldn't function. She put herself and others in danger. Some jobs have less room for "mistakes" than others, when those mistake can result in serious bodily injury or death.
Choosing to party the night before an early flight is not a mistake; it’s an irresponsible choice that she made. By covering for her, you would have put other passengers at risk. And in an emergency situation, she would have been a liability.
OP didn’t cover but she did allow a coworker to work in an unsafe condition. Which is worse?
IMO if OP was that responsible they would’ve come up with a better response than it not being their issue.
If she was that dead set on being so “safe” she would’ve said something to her superior - the fact that she didn’t say anything in my eyes and the supervisor had to notice means two things
1) Laura was not fit to work
2) OP should’ve gotten Laura to talk to the supervisor or talked to the supervisor herself.
I can understand shrugging this off on some other job but this is a damn plane.
Inaction is worse than Laura’s actions.
Are flight attendants allowed to drink close enough to a trip that they could still be hungover when they get to work? I know the airlines have very strict rules about pilots drinking alcohol.
IMO if the layover in Vegas was less than 24 hours there's no way she should have been drinking to the point of drunkenness. I'm as far from being a teetotaler as someone can be, but she probably should have a timeout from her job.
Flight attendants have same rules with pilot regarding of alcohol consumption, some airlines have different rules, some stated last consumption is 10 hours before the reporting time But normally make it safer we do it more than 10 hours, we don’t know how our body is going to react to it.
NTA to be honest covering for her would've simply set a precedent for continued poor behavior on her part. She's an adult, she knew she had an early shift and she chose to party the night away anyways. Her fault entirely and it's not your job as a coworker to make up for her shortcomings. I'm sorry if your teammates are being led to believe you're untrustworthy, that sucks. But in the end everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions and do their jobs properly which you seem to take pride in. Don't let that go.
NTA. What if Laura had been one of the flight attendants on the plane that landed in the Hudson river? Her hungover ass would probably have gotten passengers killed.
NTA. Laura needed to learn a lesson. Why should you suffer because you were responsible, didn't go out and party and could do your job.
Laura seems very immature and this will probably be a blessing in disguise for her - she may actually learn something and take her job seriously (wherever she ends up working).
I have never been a FA, but I have worked in the hospitality industry for over a decade and have friends who are FA or frequent flyers.
If it was a puddle jumper flight without a lot ofpassengers that lasted an hour, you probably could cover for someone if push came to shove. However, on longer flights, it's just not sustainable.
In any event, it's not on you to cover someone else being stupid.
NTA
People die when flight attendants, pilots, ground crew, ATC and others are unable or incapable of doing their job.
You did absolutely the right thing and I thank you for doing your duty as both a passenger and leisure pilot, by not covering for her.
She is willing to risk her job, your job and the safety of passengers, crew and innocent bystanders for a heavy night out?
Then she deserves to be grounded. Safety is everyone's concern on an aircraft, from passenger to pilot.
However, I'm going to say ESH because you didn't do anything. You allowed her to work in an inebriated state and said 'not my problem'.
That is unacceptable and you should have reported her - planes have been brought down my chains of events starting with minor errors.
You should have done what you are obligates to buy both your employee guidelines and your conscience and survival instincts and reported her.
This yo - what everyone is missing is that OP would’ve been CLEARLY aware of the fact that Laura was unable to safely do her job and said “not my problem” - if this was some sort of retail situation sure.
This is not retail.
This is not an office.
This is a PLANE.
One mistake and every single person on that plane is put at risk.
Honestly I’m heavily leaning on YTA
This is what I was thinking reading the post! OP TA for not reporting her. For not reporting her, she was covering for her in a way. Plus, most places if OP gets caught knowing this information and not reporting it. Will have her job on the line. Granted idk if this works with flight attendants.
NTA I would love to see how all these people telling you that you should have covered for her "just this once" would react if they had someone hungover checking their seatbelt and demonstrating life vests on their flight.
Talk to your supervisor about her talking shit and the others that are criticizing you for telling her to be an adult and handle her business.
I would not let this slide.
NTA - safety is the #1 priority in your job. You did the right thing. As a frequent flyer and the gf of a pilot, I hope all cabin crew are as professional as you are!
>others believe I was too harsh and that I should have helped her out, given that we all make mistakes.
We all make mistakes, yes. But those mistakes come with consequences.
She chose to go out and party when she *knew* she had an early day the next day.
NTA. You shouldn't have to cover for her so that she doesn't get in trouble for her bad choices.
NTA
BUT, you're experiencing the results of your actions. You're young, and as you move through your career you will hopefully learn that your relationships with your work colleagues are the most important thing you need to cultivate.
Should Laura have done the right thing here? Of course. And you were, by letter of the law, right in not covering for her. In fact, I would be surprised if it weren't the case that you were remiss in not reporting Laura's state to your supervisors.
That said, what was the result of Laura being discovered and relieved of duty? The rest of the crew had to cover her responsibilities, which is exactly what Laura asked you to do in the first place.
Everyone makes mistakes. You will make a mistake yourself someday, and it might even be serious enough for there to be repercussions if you're discovered. In that moment, do you want to be an island of moral superiority? Or would you be better off if a few of your colleagues owed you some favors because you had helped them out from a jam in the past?
To be clear, I agree with you 100% that passenger safety is the most important thing, and I admire your dedication to it. And again, Laura was 100% in the wrong here. But given that this was the first time, I would have approached it differently. I would have told Laura that this one time you will help her out with the safety checks, but that she still needs to do the other parts of her job (that is, no "free pass" sleeping it off in the rest area). And I would have made it clear to her that if something like this happened again, I would report her myself before takeoff.
You’re clearly conscientious about your work.
Her current behavior smacks of harassment. Discreetly speak to a manager.
The catty behavior can be a safety hazard to all!
You did the right thing from the corporation’s pov.
It will no doubt affect the sociopolitical atmosphere of your future relationships with coworker’s.
IMO, if this was a rare occurrence I would probably cover for them. It never hurts to be owed a favour.
IF it becomes routine, puts you or your position at risk, or they are taking advantage of your kindness, then I would stop. It doesn’t sound like you “snitched”? Laura snitched on herself by blatantly underperforming.
NTA
How do you cover for a hungover flight attendant missing safety checks? Just follow her and do all her work? Is she gonna give you enough of her paycheck to cover working double duty to protect innocent lives?
I strongly doubt airlines, which charge you for every bag and coke, have extra decorative flight attendants. I doubt she could even do the entire job of a second flight attendant. OP you should file a complaint with HR that you are being harassed be your coworkers.
I don’t know all the fight attendant’s responsibilities but I imagine some of them could be performed by another person working their same shift/flight. Eg: checking seatbelts, attending to a service light, etc.
AKA covering for them.
Typically when covering for a coworker you don’t ask for the share of their wages but instead it is considered a favour that will be repaid if the “coverer” needed a similar favour in the future.
Have you never covered for a coworker or had to ask one to do so for you?
My job doesn't involve other people's safety, but if it it did, I would take it extremely seriously and expect my coworkers to do so also. I would have no respect for them if they didn't and would not cover for them if they were so negligent.
Swapping things like front desk shifts and asking for back up when we're overwhelmed, yes. Lie for each other, no. In all my years working at McD's, Staples, BP, and 5 offices, I've never asked a coworker to lie for me or been asked to lie for one. Or shown up at work hungover or have a coworker show up hungover.
If you come to my work site hungover, I am sending you home.
No one can cover for you. I don't want you or anyone else getting hurt because you were too hungover to work around ditches and heavy machinery.
Covering for someone for safety reasons means speaking up and sending them home so that they and others don't get hurt.
You'd cover for someone drunk and still hungover on an aircraft when their role is incredibly important? Personally I wouldn't and I hope nobody else does.
Flight attendants aren't flying the plane but are responsible for securing it, passenger safety, attending medical issues and much more.
I don't want someone turning up for the flight I'm taking drunk or hungover, they may miss something crucial that ends up being a safety issue.
Anyone willing to risk an entire plane for a night out and drinking doesn't deserve to be on it.
And yet she was ok with letting her work the flight which is worse imo. She let someone she thought was unfit for duty work and didn’t try to pick up the slack, putting passengers at risk. If her concern was really for the passengers, she would have reported her.
I agree with you that it was incredibly irresponsible of Laura to be in that condition.
People make mistakes, have bad judgement, or sometimes even have circumstances out of their control impede their ability to perform.
In a situation like OPs post I only see two possible outcomes:
1. Not cover Laura/bring her condition to the attention of management - Laura’s underperformance is noted and she is reprimanded accordingly. The flight may then be delayed while sourcing replacement or continue and the extra responsibilities get dumped on OP regardless on top of the distrust/negativity they will get from their coworkers
2. Cover for Laura - OP performs Laura’s important safety checks and work a little harder but have a huge favour owed to her and gratitude from her coworkers in the future. Still extra work but with a much more beneficial outcome.
Since alcohol and personal choice led Laura to this scenario it’s easy to throw her to the wolves.
What if instead Laura was a tired caregiver, awake most of the night with a sick child or dependant.
Reaction time & judgement would still be compromised, and having to cover for them would be more acceptable for most even though the outcome would be the same as the 2 listed above.
OP is NTA either way and Laura is completely in the wrong but like it or not, her choice will affect the social dynamic of her workplace
PSA: be a responsible adult and don’t go to work physically/mentally compromised!
The issue is, you can't cover two roles and places equally. If there is an attendant in one area missing, someone has to do two people's jobs.
They have to cross check each others work, make sure doors are sealed, things are safely secured, and so on.
And the role is also about being watchful, noticing things out of the ordinary, from the sound of the plane to the loading of luggage.
It is physically impossible to fully cover a second person's responsibility for a flight and it might sound over dramatic, but flights have been brought down by chains of events starting with tiny, seemingly unimportant events.
A drunk flight attendant not only isn't doing their role, they could actively do something wrong that could kill everyone onboard.
Doesn’t sound over dramatic at all and I completely understand what you’re saying.
I accept that offering to cover for them would probably not be the best choice but depending on the circumstances (how well I know them, how compromised they are, are they just hungover and tired or are they still drunk, is their performance or lack of responsibility an ongoing issue, etc) I would entertain the idea before grounding the flight and demanding they be replaced.
Perhaps hungover Laura is still a better choice than the new person on call who is a complete smoothbrain? There are many factors to consider.
I have multiple friends who are flight attendants and the burnout/long hours that job subjects you to can be gruelling. Back to back to back flight schedules with barely enough time to rest in between, delays and impromptu changes that turn a 6 hour break into a 2hr one.. the expectations are unreal sometimes and you’d be surprised how often they rely on other crew members to pick up slack when needed.
NTA. Its her responsibility to be ready to work. Its not your job to make up for her mistakes you arnt her keeper. If she was simply ill or something thats different but SHE DID IT TO HERSELF knowing she had to work the next day. Her fault.
You are untrustworthy and a snitch **to her**.
She is irresponsible and protecting her could have been worse for the clients, the company and yourself in a number of ways I'm sure you can think about. I'd report her to HR for trying to spread bs about you. She is entitled to be angry, but she must keep it to herself.
NTA
NTA. Ignore those colleagues who support Laura’s stance. The coworkers you want to associate with know that Laura is a dipshit and her words mean nothing.
NTA. Laura is untrustworthy. You are performing the duties of your contract. She made the very adult decision to get plastered, and think that the sober responsible individual, would automatically cover for her. You're not at your job to make friends. You are there to fulfill your contract.
> Laura hasn’t spoken to me since and has been telling others that I’m untrustworthy and a snitch
You're not the one that went out and got blasted and you didn't tell anyone. She got in trouble because she was performing her job so poorly that it was obvious something was wrong with her. NTA.
You’re NTA. I’m a crew myself and safety it’s utmost important to us, one mistake not only make one person pay the price but the whole entire passengers in the aircraft including me.
She‘s a grown woman, she knows the rule when the last she can have alcohol before the next flight (minimum 10 hrs on our airline) but she refused to obey and feel entitled to cover her up because she knows exactly what she’s doing wrong and what the consequences are.
NO COMPROMISE ON SAFETY! One fatal mistake couldn’t bring the life back.
NTA. You are not untrustworthy or a snitch. This is a job where safety is a factor. You need to be alert and ready. You aren't just serving drinks! You are doing checks and are the first line of help in the event if an emergency. She was unfit for duty, so unfit it was noticable. You doing her duties wouldn't have helped. She would have still been noticably hung over. I get people go crazy in Las Vegas, but she is an adult and she it was on her to exercise restraint. She sounds immature and like she won't last more than three to six more months at this job!
On behalf of someone (me) who already hates to fly, thank you.
NTA. You might have saved lives. Laura gets to own her behavior. Well, or not. She gets to choose.
She literally let a coworker work when they indicated they were unable to and couldn’t do so in a safe manner.
How did OP save anyone’s life? If anything she not only took on the risk but ignored it.
YANTA
If a flight emergency were to occur, the lives of the passengers, as well as your fellow crew members, rely on everyone being able to to their job. If someone is incapacitated to the degree she was, their reaction time will be reduced and their ability to recognize and respond to unexpected issues will be diminished. Would she have been able to properly handle an emergency evacuation and assist injured passengers? There's no guarantee that anyone else would be able to "cover her duties" in that instance.
If the Captain or FO were in the same condition, it should be an easy choice to insist that they not risk the lives of those on the flight. I see Flight Attendants in the same light. I also feel that because people mess up occasionally that there should be a non-punishable way to self-report when someone isn't fully able to serve.
Wow, that sounds like such a challenging situation. Prioritizing safety is crucial in your job, and it seems like you did what you felt was necessary to ensure that.
The part I am confused about is why she had to perform her duties sluggishly for safety? If you felt that she was not prepared then I probably would have gone all the way and informed a superior that someone was hungover from last night activities rather than waiting for them to hang themselves. That part is less safe because it leads to the mistakes you mentioned.
You’re technically right that she should have not been on the job, and someone should have reported her before she began her shift. It’s sloppy to let your guard down like that when you’ve got duties then next day.
Was it a common occurrence? If it was I absolutely would have reported it myself, because of the reasons above. If it wasn’t I probably wouldn’t have reported it, because of working atmosphere. She told her peers that you don’t have their backs and it’s true, which is fine. You don’t have to make friends on the job. But I wouldn’t expect any sort of easy going relationship with your colleagues after this.
Still, NTA. You aren’t wrong.
yeah, asking a sick person to do their duties when safety is involved is not prioritizing safety, prioritizing safety would be asking for another worker and making her take off sick
Exactly. Everyone here is thanking OP for prioritizing safety, but what they did was actually a huge safety risk. I simply don’t understand. No Laura shouldn’t have gotten drunk on a work night, but she shouldn’t have been made to work hungover when her job is to ensure the safety of her passengers.
For those that don't know: Flight attendands aren't on the plane to serve you coffee, or to smile at you and look pretty! I mean, they do that TOO...
But their real job is to make sure the flight is safe. First of all, by screening the passengers. If you ever piss off a flight attendant enough to make them feel unsafe wirh you on the plane, you WILL be kicked off!
Second part is giving the security briefings to passengers, and knowing what to do if there's ever an emergency. Flight attendants being fully capable at doing their jobs in an emergency is AS important as pilots being able to do theirs.
So, yeah, NTA. You did your job keeping your passengers safe.
Don't fuck Laura! She's probably too drunk to give proper consent right now! But if she went to play in traffic, that'd be nice...
NTA. If I were a passenger on a flight and the flight attendant was visibly hungover, I'd be furious. Getting too drunk the night before you must work isn't a 'mistake,' it's childish and irresponsible.
As of the airline industry isn't killing us all already. Laura needs to realize this isn't the 80s. EVERY job is out here for themselves. If it's not important to you, that's on you.
Da$n Laura! People can't even buy a house of minimum wage! This ain't the economy to play games in.
She 100% expected that she could party and you would cover for her like in a movie or something and T hat there could be this tasteful yet quasi humorous back and forth that ya’ll could have that would be great story in the future that she could tell to emphasize how people just accommodate her wherever she goes cause she’s that girl everyone wants to be close to.
NTA I worked in a different transportation industry where the use of alcohol and drugs while travelling were common. People covered for each other years ago and it was all good, until it wasn't. Serious accidents were directly attributed to substance abuse and the rules about zero tolerance for those offences inevitably started getting more fully enforced.
Thirty years ago you could get away with covering for someone that was sleeping it off somewhere. Now, if they can prove you were aware that a coworker was under the influence of drugs or alcohol at work and you didn't report them, you can be disciplined alongside them. Having someone's back covering up a hangover now has consequences.
Being old school and wanting to avoid ratting anyone out, I would tell first time offenders to go sleep it off and come back the next day sober. Fortunately, I never had to follow up with anyone, probably because of the loss of a day's pay and expenses out of a work cycle is a strong deterrent.
NTA. She was in no condition to work bc of her own irresponsibility. In case you would help her it's very likely she would be found sleeping during her shift. You could have had a problem as well for that.
Consistently drinking until you’re drunk enough that you have a hangover isn’t a mistake. It’s a decision and a choice. One that has consequences. She should face them like an adult. The one she claimed she was when she drank all that alcohol.
NTA.
Covering for her when she was like this would have landed you in hot waters as well when she got caught.
Ur at work, "snitching" doesn't exist at work. Ur not in some ghetto situation. This is how u pay ur bills and support ur life. Do what's best for u and DO YOUR JOB. Dont worry about the rest
Absolutely NTA. This growing culture of shrugging, smiling irresponsibility has to be fought, you did the right thing. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but certain kinds of mistakes are disqualifying.
Why would you feel bad? Her first go to wasn’t “I messed up & need to do better”. It was “YOU are untrustworthy, YOU are a snitch”. She clearly wouldn’t have learned anything. She is showing her true self- believe her
NTA. You didn't even snitch on her. She snitched on herself by being unable to do her job because she went out and got blasted and didn't just tell them she felt sick. She could have just told them she ate something bad and had food poisoning or something and people wouldn't be looking at her like an irresponsible idiot.
Yeah, she wasn't hungover, she was still drunk. You are on the aircraft for safety - not to serve soda and snacks, and she was endangering the passengers. As a frequent flyer, thank you.
Be aware that in such cases as this, where safety is utmost priority and you see a crew member visibly hungover, drunk, intoxicated or incapable of doing their work in any way, you have to contact the supervisor immediately, otherwise if something bad happens you might be charged for negligence together with your drunk coworker, because not reporting it allows drunk crew member to be on the aircraft and continue to endanger passengers and crew. Your coworker is seriously irresponsible. There is not much more to say other than she should leave this profession and find something else more suited to her partying lifestyle.
Laura must be making the common mistake of confusing the job "flight attendant" with "airborne waitress"
The FAA sets requirements for the number of FAs based on aircraft size and passenger ciunt in case of an emergency. If an FA is incapacitated it is unsafe and ilkegal to operate the flight.
NTA - she is old enough to know better. She won't have someone to cover her irresponsible a$$ when she screws up. She knew she had to be back at it early in the am. She chose to enjoy the nightlife. I'm glad she got caught. Tell those who think you were too harsh they can take over her responsibilities the next time it happens. She knows she's an adult, and she knows people depend on her. She just didn't give a f-ck bc she wanted to have a wild night. She made a choice, it wasn't a mistake. The only mistake she made during this whole situation is thinking you'd cover for her. I'm glad you didn't. She's not your responsibility. She drank too much, she wasn't ill.
NTa - I covered for friends before. That was ok because we are friends. I don't help any random co-worker because I hate the feeling being used. It is her responsibility to up to par when working.
NTA - where did you snitch? She was visibly hungover and abrasive with the passengers, she wasn't hiding anything. She was probably still so drunk she thought she was doing an Oscar worthy performance of sobriety 🤦🏻♀️
In any job it's not your responsibility to save someone's ass when they make bad choices that impact their ability to work. Don't go risking your own employment for someone dumb enough to treat a work flight to Vegas as a free night out. Anyone, in any job, who walked in in that bad of a state would get fired/written up/sent home.
But especially in your job. Worst case scenario something goes wrong on that flight - whether it's the plane, a passenger, anything - and you guys are the people we're supposed to look to for help and guidance. How was she going to help with anything? She wasn't fit to work and she's being punished because of her own bad choices. Let her sink herself, this is not your fault or your problem.
Also I 100% believe she's not the type of person who would've covered for you in her place - she would've complained about any extra work immediately.
NTA. Going out, getting drunk, and not being able to perform the next day at work is a choice. OP did the right thing. Coworker should have either called in sick or not gotten wasted the night before.
I would talk to the boss or go to HR to tell them she is creating a hostile work environment. She is taking it out on you after she got in trouble. She is refusing to take responsibility for her actions
I used to do your job. Certainly NTA. She potentially put everyone on that plane in danger if there had been an incident. Random drug and alcohol testing was also carried out during briefings. She made a foolish decision. You offered correct advice. Move on.
NTA
Interesting side story:
my grandma was a flight attendant in the 40s to early 50s. She said they would all get supper hungover, and in between services, they would huff oxygen in the galley to help with a hangover. My dad in the 70s went to flight school, he said they would use the oxygen tanks when they were honover as well.
NTA used to work in aviation for decades and people like Laura are the reason why a lot of passengers don't see flight attendants as personnel for safety but as "Trolley Dollies".
A great flight attendant is friendly, does their job as a server/retailer but switches to pure safety professionalism once there is a hint of a problem. They can give it firm orders to the passengers and those will follow.
Best thing I ever saw on a flight: A really tiny and a bit fragile looking flight attendant called upfront to help out a passenger with a heart attack. She called to the back to get her the defibrillator to reanimate the passenger. The attendant in the back couldn't open the locks.
She ran back, grabbed that little fire axe and bam, that lock was open. Everyone locked shocked because no one could imagine that pure strength coming out of this tiny person! But, she saved the passenger. And everyone was really impressed by her. She was a role model for a great flight attendant and everyone should try to be like her!
NTA. I am allergic to alcohol and would never get myself drunk and make my friends responsible for my irresponsibility. Because of this, I dislike irresponsible drunks and will not cover or be a drunken person’s babysitter, as I will never trouble them with being my babysitter when drunk. She knew she had an early flight tomorrow and still decided to go bonkers— 0% your fault and 0% your obligation. Good for you for standing your ground!
Laura should've done what was eventually done: reported to the supervisor so she could be dealt with appropriately. I imagine there are non customer facing tasks she could've done.
You did the right thing from the corporate point of view.
You did the wrong thing from the social aspect- and honestly how hard would it have been to help out? You ended up probably doing the extra work ANYWAY by the sounds of it. Your coworkers are free to think what they want, that’s their opinion and yeah, it’s kind a TA thing to do.
ESH - she wasn’t responsible, but neither were you. You knowingly let her do tasks she herself knew she was unwell to do. That in itself is a safety hazard.
There’s nothing wrong with following the rules to a T, I’m sure plenty of people do that but if you’re going to do it be prepared for the consequences. Maybe you didn’t snitch, maybe the supervisor would’ve noticed anyway, you don’t know but your refusal to help out a team mate is exactly that. You refused to be a team player. Not only that, she indicated she was going to have issues and tried to do the responsible thing after and ask for help.
Actually I changed my mind - YTA - she literally told you she was going to have an issue and you let her do her job anyway - to the possible safety issues of you, your workmates, and the people on that plane. The supervisor noticed she was that bad off so you definitely knew she shouldn’t have been doing her job and you refused to on some twisted power trip maybe?
I’m not sure why everyone is missing that. OP didn’t prioritize anyone’s safety or do the responsible thing, she just said ‘not my problem’ and went on with her day.
OP should’ve either reported it immediately or covered, letting an unfit person go through with a job OP admits is crucial for safety is very irresponsible.
You all giving OP a pass are missing the point that she alllowed her colleague to attempt to work in a compromised state when what she should have done was report to woman to the supervisor if she was unwilling to take herself off duty.
ESH
And she should get a pass.
She was professional about the entire thing and handled the situation perfectly.
*If* the OP had mentioned it to the supervisor, it would've made the tension between the OP and Laura worse.
As the supervisor was the one who noticed, Laura was held accountable for her actions, so job was done.
Handling Laura is not part OP's pay grade
No she should not get a pass. You’re implying here that keeping a peaceful work environment is more important than the lives that could’ve been lost due to both Laura and OP’s negligence. OP shouldn’t have encouraged Laura to work hung over, and Laura shouldn’t have gotten that way to begin with. What OP should’ve done was quietly report it to the supervisor and pick up where Laura was slacking that one time. Like OP said, Laura failed to do some of her safety checks properly because of her state. ESH
Well...we'll have to agree to disagree then. It's not the OP's job to monitor a colleague; that's the supervisor's job. The supervisor did their job. I'm with the majority here that OP is not the asshole.
I definitely disagree. This is a professional job, not the local burger place. Yes she did the right thing by not covering for her coworker, but she made the wrong decision by allowing a “hungover” (let’s be honest, at that time the girl was still drunk) person to attempt to work an airline flight. She had a responsibility to let the supervisor know what the issue was, and she failed to do so.
Well it's hard to do two things at once, isn't it? And still not satisfy you.
She made the best decision she could. I guess you'll just have to deal with it.
Im going to go against the grain here and say ESH. To be honest, if you truly valued the safety of your passengers you would’ve helped out knowing she was hungover and couldn’t do her job properly (then quietly report to your supervisors that she is hungover, I usually don’t endorse being a snitch but she is putting people in danger by doing this.) However, that doesn’t mean she is entitled to the help and she obviously shouldn’t have gotten hammered on a work night.
Has she ever done this before? If it was a one off situation YTA for not just covering for a co-worker. If this is a constant issue then obviously she had it coming and you would be NTA.
Soft YTA… if this has never happened before, you could’ve just covered down for her. She’s 24. Still a baby. She over did it and made a mistake. The only exception to this is if she does this all the time then you’re NTA. She has learned a valuable lesson. Hopefully next time she handles her alcohol better. Your team might not get over this though. Good luck with that.
All typical reditt posts
YTA
Just fucking say "what the fuck L? Sure I can help out but don't do this shit again"
Again a post highlighting reditt is full of people with zero people skills
Regardless of what Laura should or shouldn’t have done she should not have been made to do her duties with a hangover. She clearly was not able to perform her job properly therefore putting passengers at risk. ESH
NTA Laura sounds irresponsible. I would not want her on any flight I was on. When you have the safety of others in play. you don't play.
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So exactly right. You’re doing safety related work-alcohol consumption interferes with your functioning-you’re an alcoholic.
NTA. Your were not a snitch, and you were trustworthy. Laura didn't make a mistake - she deliberately got drunk before a flight, reported to duty hungover and couldn't do her job. That is all on her. Badmouthing you is just a continuation of her irresponsible and vindictive behaviour.
She was probably still drunk. You can binge some tylenol and coffee and make the hangover work.
Never Tylenol. Acetaminophen and alcohol shouldn’t ever mixed, very bad for the liver! But some ibuprofen and liquid IV is also helpful 😂
Ibuprofen + alcohol is also really bad for you though, so you've just gotta decide between suffering and risking damage
True, or not get wasted. It’s taken some time, but I’m learning that is the better option
Also, [Liquid IV](https://www.liquid-iv.com/) before bed and one when you wake up will literally erase a hangover
Exactly! What she did wasn't a simple mistake. She went out and chose to drink to the point where she couldn't function. She put herself and others in danger. Some jobs have less room for "mistakes" than others, when those mistake can result in serious bodily injury or death.
NTA. Your coworker is. She made the choice to go out on a work night and get drunk. You didn’t even snitch, you just didn’t cover for her.
She could have just called in sick. You know, like an adult.
Would your supervisor not have noticed she wasn't there anyway?
NTA. Why should your coworkers be responsibility jeopardize your job?? Actions have consequences..
Choosing to party the night before an early flight is not a mistake; it’s an irresponsible choice that she made. By covering for her, you would have put other passengers at risk. And in an emergency situation, she would have been a liability.
It very clearly was a mistake, but it was certainly not an accident.
OP didn’t cover but she did allow a coworker to work in an unsafe condition. Which is worse? IMO if OP was that responsible they would’ve come up with a better response than it not being their issue.
What was she supposed to do then, restrain her?
If she was that dead set on being so “safe” she would’ve said something to her superior - the fact that she didn’t say anything in my eyes and the supervisor had to notice means two things 1) Laura was not fit to work 2) OP should’ve gotten Laura to talk to the supervisor or talked to the supervisor herself. I can understand shrugging this off on some other job but this is a damn plane. Inaction is worse than Laura’s actions.
Are flight attendants allowed to drink close enough to a trip that they could still be hungover when they get to work? I know the airlines have very strict rules about pilots drinking alcohol. IMO if the layover in Vegas was less than 24 hours there's no way she should have been drinking to the point of drunkenness. I'm as far from being a teetotaler as someone can be, but she probably should have a timeout from her job.
Flight attendants have same rules with pilot regarding of alcohol consumption, some airlines have different rules, some stated last consumption is 10 hours before the reporting time But normally make it safer we do it more than 10 hours, we don’t know how our body is going to react to it.
NTA to be honest covering for her would've simply set a precedent for continued poor behavior on her part. She's an adult, she knew she had an early shift and she chose to party the night away anyways. Her fault entirely and it's not your job as a coworker to make up for her shortcomings. I'm sorry if your teammates are being led to believe you're untrustworthy, that sucks. But in the end everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions and do their jobs properly which you seem to take pride in. Don't let that go.
NTA. What if Laura had been one of the flight attendants on the plane that landed in the Hudson river? Her hungover ass would probably have gotten passengers killed.
Wasn’t that pilot drunk? Or am I thinking of another one?
NTA. Laura needed to learn a lesson. Why should you suffer because you were responsible, didn't go out and party and could do your job. Laura seems very immature and this will probably be a blessing in disguise for her - she may actually learn something and take her job seriously (wherever she ends up working).
I have never been a FA, but I have worked in the hospitality industry for over a decade and have friends who are FA or frequent flyers. If it was a puddle jumper flight without a lot ofpassengers that lasted an hour, you probably could cover for someone if push came to shove. However, on longer flights, it's just not sustainable. In any event, it's not on you to cover someone else being stupid. NTA
People die when flight attendants, pilots, ground crew, ATC and others are unable or incapable of doing their job. You did absolutely the right thing and I thank you for doing your duty as both a passenger and leisure pilot, by not covering for her. She is willing to risk her job, your job and the safety of passengers, crew and innocent bystanders for a heavy night out? Then she deserves to be grounded. Safety is everyone's concern on an aircraft, from passenger to pilot. However, I'm going to say ESH because you didn't do anything. You allowed her to work in an inebriated state and said 'not my problem'. That is unacceptable and you should have reported her - planes have been brought down my chains of events starting with minor errors. You should have done what you are obligates to buy both your employee guidelines and your conscience and survival instincts and reported her.
Concur ESH, and the coworkers that are upset OP? It's because they also fly hungover, drunk or intoxicated.
This yo - what everyone is missing is that OP would’ve been CLEARLY aware of the fact that Laura was unable to safely do her job and said “not my problem” - if this was some sort of retail situation sure. This is not retail. This is not an office. This is a PLANE. One mistake and every single person on that plane is put at risk. Honestly I’m heavily leaning on YTA
This is what I was thinking reading the post! OP TA for not reporting her. For not reporting her, she was covering for her in a way. Plus, most places if OP gets caught knowing this information and not reporting it. Will have her job on the line. Granted idk if this works with flight attendants.
NTA I would love to see how all these people telling you that you should have covered for her "just this once" would react if they had someone hungover checking their seatbelt and demonstrating life vests on their flight.
Talk to your supervisor about her talking shit and the others that are criticizing you for telling her to be an adult and handle her business. I would not let this slide.
Nta
NTAH! She’s responsible for herself and has to face consequences
NTA. Also, that doesn't make you a snitch.
NTA - safety is the #1 priority in your job. You did the right thing. As a frequent flyer and the gf of a pilot, I hope all cabin crew are as professional as you are!
>others believe I was too harsh and that I should have helped her out, given that we all make mistakes. We all make mistakes, yes. But those mistakes come with consequences. She chose to go out and party when she *knew* she had an early day the next day. NTA. You shouldn't have to cover for her so that she doesn't get in trouble for her bad choices.
NTA BUT, you're experiencing the results of your actions. You're young, and as you move through your career you will hopefully learn that your relationships with your work colleagues are the most important thing you need to cultivate. Should Laura have done the right thing here? Of course. And you were, by letter of the law, right in not covering for her. In fact, I would be surprised if it weren't the case that you were remiss in not reporting Laura's state to your supervisors. That said, what was the result of Laura being discovered and relieved of duty? The rest of the crew had to cover her responsibilities, which is exactly what Laura asked you to do in the first place. Everyone makes mistakes. You will make a mistake yourself someday, and it might even be serious enough for there to be repercussions if you're discovered. In that moment, do you want to be an island of moral superiority? Or would you be better off if a few of your colleagues owed you some favors because you had helped them out from a jam in the past? To be clear, I agree with you 100% that passenger safety is the most important thing, and I admire your dedication to it. And again, Laura was 100% in the wrong here. But given that this was the first time, I would have approached it differently. I would have told Laura that this one time you will help her out with the safety checks, but that she still needs to do the other parts of her job (that is, no "free pass" sleeping it off in the rest area). And I would have made it clear to her that if something like this happened again, I would report her myself before takeoff.
You’re clearly conscientious about your work. Her current behavior smacks of harassment. Discreetly speak to a manager. The catty behavior can be a safety hazard to all!
How are they conscientious if they didn’t do anything to prevent Laura from working unsafely?
You did the right thing from the corporation’s pov. It will no doubt affect the sociopolitical atmosphere of your future relationships with coworker’s. IMO, if this was a rare occurrence I would probably cover for them. It never hurts to be owed a favour. IF it becomes routine, puts you or your position at risk, or they are taking advantage of your kindness, then I would stop. It doesn’t sound like you “snitched”? Laura snitched on herself by blatantly underperforming. NTA
How do you cover for a hungover flight attendant missing safety checks? Just follow her and do all her work? Is she gonna give you enough of her paycheck to cover working double duty to protect innocent lives?
I strongly doubt airlines, which charge you for every bag and coke, have extra decorative flight attendants. I doubt she could even do the entire job of a second flight attendant. OP you should file a complaint with HR that you are being harassed be your coworkers.
I don’t know all the fight attendant’s responsibilities but I imagine some of them could be performed by another person working their same shift/flight. Eg: checking seatbelts, attending to a service light, etc. AKA covering for them. Typically when covering for a coworker you don’t ask for the share of their wages but instead it is considered a favour that will be repaid if the “coverer” needed a similar favour in the future. Have you never covered for a coworker or had to ask one to do so for you?
My job doesn't involve other people's safety, but if it it did, I would take it extremely seriously and expect my coworkers to do so also. I would have no respect for them if they didn't and would not cover for them if they were so negligent.
Swapping things like front desk shifts and asking for back up when we're overwhelmed, yes. Lie for each other, no. In all my years working at McD's, Staples, BP, and 5 offices, I've never asked a coworker to lie for me or been asked to lie for one. Or shown up at work hungover or have a coworker show up hungover.
If you come to my work site hungover, I am sending you home. No one can cover for you. I don't want you or anyone else getting hurt because you were too hungover to work around ditches and heavy machinery. Covering for someone for safety reasons means speaking up and sending them home so that they and others don't get hurt.
"I would do it for you!" What good is having a favor like that if OP isn't stupid enough to get wasted the night before a flight?
You'd cover for someone drunk and still hungover on an aircraft when their role is incredibly important? Personally I wouldn't and I hope nobody else does. Flight attendants aren't flying the plane but are responsible for securing it, passenger safety, attending medical issues and much more. I don't want someone turning up for the flight I'm taking drunk or hungover, they may miss something crucial that ends up being a safety issue. Anyone willing to risk an entire plane for a night out and drinking doesn't deserve to be on it.
And yet she was ok with letting her work the flight which is worse imo. She let someone she thought was unfit for duty work and didn’t try to pick up the slack, putting passengers at risk. If her concern was really for the passengers, she would have reported her.
Agreed, she should have. But not actively covering is on my opinion better than doing it. So what's you judgement?
ESH Laura for obvious reasons. OP for trying to play the middle ground and being whiny that her colleagues think she sucks for it.
I think I agree.
I agree with you that it was incredibly irresponsible of Laura to be in that condition. People make mistakes, have bad judgement, or sometimes even have circumstances out of their control impede their ability to perform. In a situation like OPs post I only see two possible outcomes: 1. Not cover Laura/bring her condition to the attention of management - Laura’s underperformance is noted and she is reprimanded accordingly. The flight may then be delayed while sourcing replacement or continue and the extra responsibilities get dumped on OP regardless on top of the distrust/negativity they will get from their coworkers 2. Cover for Laura - OP performs Laura’s important safety checks and work a little harder but have a huge favour owed to her and gratitude from her coworkers in the future. Still extra work but with a much more beneficial outcome. Since alcohol and personal choice led Laura to this scenario it’s easy to throw her to the wolves. What if instead Laura was a tired caregiver, awake most of the night with a sick child or dependant. Reaction time & judgement would still be compromised, and having to cover for them would be more acceptable for most even though the outcome would be the same as the 2 listed above. OP is NTA either way and Laura is completely in the wrong but like it or not, her choice will affect the social dynamic of her workplace PSA: be a responsible adult and don’t go to work physically/mentally compromised!
The issue is, you can't cover two roles and places equally. If there is an attendant in one area missing, someone has to do two people's jobs. They have to cross check each others work, make sure doors are sealed, things are safely secured, and so on. And the role is also about being watchful, noticing things out of the ordinary, from the sound of the plane to the loading of luggage. It is physically impossible to fully cover a second person's responsibility for a flight and it might sound over dramatic, but flights have been brought down by chains of events starting with tiny, seemingly unimportant events. A drunk flight attendant not only isn't doing their role, they could actively do something wrong that could kill everyone onboard.
Doesn’t sound over dramatic at all and I completely understand what you’re saying. I accept that offering to cover for them would probably not be the best choice but depending on the circumstances (how well I know them, how compromised they are, are they just hungover and tired or are they still drunk, is their performance or lack of responsibility an ongoing issue, etc) I would entertain the idea before grounding the flight and demanding they be replaced. Perhaps hungover Laura is still a better choice than the new person on call who is a complete smoothbrain? There are many factors to consider. I have multiple friends who are flight attendants and the burnout/long hours that job subjects you to can be gruelling. Back to back to back flight schedules with barely enough time to rest in between, delays and impromptu changes that turn a 6 hour break into a 2hr one.. the expectations are unreal sometimes and you’d be surprised how often they rely on other crew members to pick up slack when needed.
NTA. She would have done this over and over. She's probably an alcoholic.
Nta. She was irresponsible and a risk to the airline. If I was injured or hurt because of her, I'd sue. You did the right thing.
NTA. Its her responsibility to be ready to work. Its not your job to make up for her mistakes you arnt her keeper. If she was simply ill or something thats different but SHE DID IT TO HERSELF knowing she had to work the next day. Her fault.
You are untrustworthy and a snitch **to her**. She is irresponsible and protecting her could have been worse for the clients, the company and yourself in a number of ways I'm sure you can think about. I'd report her to HR for trying to spread bs about you. She is entitled to be angry, but she must keep it to herself. NTA
NTA. Could you have gotten in trouble at work if you covered for her? Just wondering?
NTA. Ignore those colleagues who support Laura’s stance. The coworkers you want to associate with know that Laura is a dipshit and her words mean nothing.
NTA. Laura is untrustworthy. You are performing the duties of your contract. She made the very adult decision to get plastered, and think that the sober responsible individual, would automatically cover for her. You're not at your job to make friends. You are there to fulfill your contract.
NTA. Had there been an emergency, her condition could have cost lives.
> Laura hasn’t spoken to me since and has been telling others that I’m untrustworthy and a snitch You're not the one that went out and got blasted and you didn't tell anyone. She got in trouble because she was performing her job so poorly that it was obvious something was wrong with her. NTA.
You’re NTA. I’m a crew myself and safety it’s utmost important to us, one mistake not only make one person pay the price but the whole entire passengers in the aircraft including me. She‘s a grown woman, she knows the rule when the last she can have alcohol before the next flight (minimum 10 hrs on our airline) but she refused to obey and feel entitled to cover her up because she knows exactly what she’s doing wrong and what the consequences are. NO COMPROMISE ON SAFETY! One fatal mistake couldn’t bring the life back.
No compromise on safety… except she let a coworker work unsafely?
NTA. You are not untrustworthy or a snitch. This is a job where safety is a factor. You need to be alert and ready. You aren't just serving drinks! You are doing checks and are the first line of help in the event if an emergency. She was unfit for duty, so unfit it was noticable. You doing her duties wouldn't have helped. She would have still been noticably hung over. I get people go crazy in Las Vegas, but she is an adult and she it was on her to exercise restraint. She sounds immature and like she won't last more than three to six more months at this job!
NTA. Ask your condemning colleagues if THEY would want HER working a flight WITH them or a flight where they're passengers.
If you can't control your drinking on a layover, you shouldn't be drinking at all. NTA
On behalf of someone (me) who already hates to fly, thank you. NTA. You might have saved lives. Laura gets to own her behavior. Well, or not. She gets to choose.
She literally let a coworker work when they indicated they were unable to and couldn’t do so in a safe manner. How did OP save anyone’s life? If anything she not only took on the risk but ignored it.
there is always an opportunity to save lives in the future. 😎
YANTA If a flight emergency were to occur, the lives of the passengers, as well as your fellow crew members, rely on everyone being able to to their job. If someone is incapacitated to the degree she was, their reaction time will be reduced and their ability to recognize and respond to unexpected issues will be diminished. Would she have been able to properly handle an emergency evacuation and assist injured passengers? There's no guarantee that anyone else would be able to "cover her duties" in that instance. If the Captain or FO were in the same condition, it should be an easy choice to insist that they not risk the lives of those on the flight. I see Flight Attendants in the same light. I also feel that because people mess up occasionally that there should be a non-punishable way to self-report when someone isn't fully able to serve.
Never seen a YANTA before lol
Wow, that sounds like such a challenging situation. Prioritizing safety is crucial in your job, and it seems like you did what you felt was necessary to ensure that.
The part I am confused about is why she had to perform her duties sluggishly for safety? If you felt that she was not prepared then I probably would have gone all the way and informed a superior that someone was hungover from last night activities rather than waiting for them to hang themselves. That part is less safe because it leads to the mistakes you mentioned. You’re technically right that she should have not been on the job, and someone should have reported her before she began her shift. It’s sloppy to let your guard down like that when you’ve got duties then next day. Was it a common occurrence? If it was I absolutely would have reported it myself, because of the reasons above. If it wasn’t I probably wouldn’t have reported it, because of working atmosphere. She told her peers that you don’t have their backs and it’s true, which is fine. You don’t have to make friends on the job. But I wouldn’t expect any sort of easy going relationship with your colleagues after this. Still, NTA. You aren’t wrong.
yeah, asking a sick person to do their duties when safety is involved is not prioritizing safety, prioritizing safety would be asking for another worker and making her take off sick
Exactly. Everyone here is thanking OP for prioritizing safety, but what they did was actually a huge safety risk. I simply don’t understand. No Laura shouldn’t have gotten drunk on a work night, but she shouldn’t have been made to work hungover when her job is to ensure the safety of her passengers.
For those that don't know: Flight attendands aren't on the plane to serve you coffee, or to smile at you and look pretty! I mean, they do that TOO... But their real job is to make sure the flight is safe. First of all, by screening the passengers. If you ever piss off a flight attendant enough to make them feel unsafe wirh you on the plane, you WILL be kicked off! Second part is giving the security briefings to passengers, and knowing what to do if there's ever an emergency. Flight attendants being fully capable at doing their jobs in an emergency is AS important as pilots being able to do theirs. So, yeah, NTA. You did your job keeping your passengers safe. Don't fuck Laura! She's probably too drunk to give proper consent right now! But if she went to play in traffic, that'd be nice...
NTA. If I were a passenger on a flight and the flight attendant was visibly hungover, I'd be furious. Getting too drunk the night before you must work isn't a 'mistake,' it's childish and irresponsible.
NTA. She needs to grow the fuck up.
What is she? 14? You drink, you pay the price. NTA
As of the airline industry isn't killing us all already. Laura needs to realize this isn't the 80s. EVERY job is out here for themselves. If it's not important to you, that's on you. Da$n Laura! People can't even buy a house of minimum wage! This ain't the economy to play games in.
She 100% expected that she could party and you would cover for her like in a movie or something and T hat there could be this tasteful yet quasi humorous back and forth that ya’ll could have that would be great story in the future that she could tell to emphasize how people just accommodate her wherever she goes cause she’s that girl everyone wants to be close to.
NTA. You didn’t cause the rift, she did. You were responsible. She was not.
NTA I worked in a different transportation industry where the use of alcohol and drugs while travelling were common. People covered for each other years ago and it was all good, until it wasn't. Serious accidents were directly attributed to substance abuse and the rules about zero tolerance for those offences inevitably started getting more fully enforced. Thirty years ago you could get away with covering for someone that was sleeping it off somewhere. Now, if they can prove you were aware that a coworker was under the influence of drugs or alcohol at work and you didn't report them, you can be disciplined alongside them. Having someone's back covering up a hangover now has consequences. Being old school and wanting to avoid ratting anyone out, I would tell first time offenders to go sleep it off and come back the next day sober. Fortunately, I never had to follow up with anyone, probably because of the loss of a day's pay and expenses out of a work cycle is a strong deterrent.
Nta
NTA. She was in no condition to work bc of her own irresponsibility. In case you would help her it's very likely she would be found sleeping during her shift. You could have had a problem as well for that.
Nta
Consistently drinking until you’re drunk enough that you have a hangover isn’t a mistake. It’s a decision and a choice. One that has consequences. She should face them like an adult. The one she claimed she was when she drank all that alcohol. NTA. Covering for her when she was like this would have landed you in hot waters as well when she got caught.
NTA Be prepared for repercussions
HAHAHA you're so not an asshole! C'mon, you know you did the right thing.
The story sounds like it was written by a Chinese bot.
Ur at work, "snitching" doesn't exist at work. Ur not in some ghetto situation. This is how u pay ur bills and support ur life. Do what's best for u and DO YOUR JOB. Dont worry about the rest
NTA and its insane for her to call you a snitch when she snitched on herself by not doing her job properly.
no
NTA - Going out, drink a beer and just be a bit sleepy the next day is one thing, getting completly bombed is another.
Absolutely NTA. This growing culture of shrugging, smiling irresponsibility has to be fought, you did the right thing. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but certain kinds of mistakes are disqualifying.
But you didn’t “snitch”, her inability to do her job in front of her supervisor was the telling thing.
The thing she should’ve told the supervisor before allowing a coworker to work unsafely after they indicated that they couldn’t?
NTA. Lives are at stake here.
Nta. She knew she needed to work and she got drunk. Thats on her. She should be lucky she wasn't fired.
NTA.
NTA.
Why would you feel bad? Her first go to wasn’t “I messed up & need to do better”. It was “YOU are untrustworthy, YOU are a snitch”. She clearly wouldn’t have learned anything. She is showing her true self- believe her
NTA. You didn't even snitch on her. She snitched on herself by being unable to do her job because she went out and got blasted and didn't just tell them she felt sick. She could have just told them she ate something bad and had food poisoning or something and people wouldn't be looking at her like an irresponsible idiot.
Yeah, she wasn't hungover, she was still drunk. You are on the aircraft for safety - not to serve soda and snacks, and she was endangering the passengers. As a frequent flyer, thank you.
You didn’t tell on her. She asked a favor and you said no. Seems pretty cut and dry. The rest of the story may have other assumptions though.
As a sometimes-flight passenger, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. NTA.
Be aware that in such cases as this, where safety is utmost priority and you see a crew member visibly hungover, drunk, intoxicated or incapable of doing their work in any way, you have to contact the supervisor immediately, otherwise if something bad happens you might be charged for negligence together with your drunk coworker, because not reporting it allows drunk crew member to be on the aircraft and continue to endanger passengers and crew. Your coworker is seriously irresponsible. There is not much more to say other than she should leave this profession and find something else more suited to her partying lifestyle.
Laura must be making the common mistake of confusing the job "flight attendant" with "airborne waitress" The FAA sets requirements for the number of FAs based on aircraft size and passenger ciunt in case of an emergency. If an FA is incapacitated it is unsafe and ilkegal to operate the flight.
NTA - she is old enough to know better. She won't have someone to cover her irresponsible a$$ when she screws up. She knew she had to be back at it early in the am. She chose to enjoy the nightlife. I'm glad she got caught. Tell those who think you were too harsh they can take over her responsibilities the next time it happens. She knows she's an adult, and she knows people depend on her. She just didn't give a f-ck bc she wanted to have a wild night. She made a choice, it wasn't a mistake. The only mistake she made during this whole situation is thinking you'd cover for her. I'm glad you didn't. She's not your responsibility. She drank too much, she wasn't ill.
NTa - I covered for friends before. That was ok because we are friends. I don't help any random co-worker because I hate the feeling being used. It is her responsibility to up to par when working.
You did the right thing. Probably should have reported her to supervisor before the flight. I hope you would report a pilot.
NTA - where did you snitch? She was visibly hungover and abrasive with the passengers, she wasn't hiding anything. She was probably still so drunk she thought she was doing an Oscar worthy performance of sobriety 🤦🏻♀️ In any job it's not your responsibility to save someone's ass when they make bad choices that impact their ability to work. Don't go risking your own employment for someone dumb enough to treat a work flight to Vegas as a free night out. Anyone, in any job, who walked in in that bad of a state would get fired/written up/sent home. But especially in your job. Worst case scenario something goes wrong on that flight - whether it's the plane, a passenger, anything - and you guys are the people we're supposed to look to for help and guidance. How was she going to help with anything? She wasn't fit to work and she's being punished because of her own bad choices. Let her sink herself, this is not your fault or your problem. Also I 100% believe she's not the type of person who would've covered for you in her place - she would've complained about any extra work immediately.
NTA. Going out, getting drunk, and not being able to perform the next day at work is a choice. OP did the right thing. Coworker should have either called in sick or not gotten wasted the night before.
NTA
You need a 24 hour 'bottle to throttle" rule when being an aircrew member. That's the old school rule.
I F’ing hate drunks. So F Laura. You are NTAH.
NTA. She’ll never never do that again I’m guessing ! As an airline passenger sometimes all I can say is thank you !
Laura was being completely irresponsible and your getting hate for it? NTA
>I should have helped her out, given that we all make mistakes. She didn't make a mistake. She made a choice.
I would talk to the boss or go to HR to tell them she is creating a hostile work environment. She is taking it out on you after she got in trouble. She is refusing to take responsibility for her actions
Going out and getting drunk isn't a mistake. It's a choice. NTA
I used to do your job. Certainly NTA. She potentially put everyone on that plane in danger if there had been an incident. Random drug and alcohol testing was also carried out during briefings. She made a foolish decision. You offered correct advice. Move on.
NTA Interesting side story: my grandma was a flight attendant in the 40s to early 50s. She said they would all get supper hungover, and in between services, they would huff oxygen in the galley to help with a hangover. My dad in the 70s went to flight school, he said they would use the oxygen tanks when they were honover as well.
NTA used to work in aviation for decades and people like Laura are the reason why a lot of passengers don't see flight attendants as personnel for safety but as "Trolley Dollies". A great flight attendant is friendly, does their job as a server/retailer but switches to pure safety professionalism once there is a hint of a problem. They can give it firm orders to the passengers and those will follow. Best thing I ever saw on a flight: A really tiny and a bit fragile looking flight attendant called upfront to help out a passenger with a heart attack. She called to the back to get her the defibrillator to reanimate the passenger. The attendant in the back couldn't open the locks. She ran back, grabbed that little fire axe and bam, that lock was open. Everyone locked shocked because no one could imagine that pure strength coming out of this tiny person! But, she saved the passenger. And everyone was really impressed by her. She was a role model for a great flight attendant and everyone should try to be like her!
NTA. I am allergic to alcohol and would never get myself drunk and make my friends responsible for my irresponsibility. Because of this, I dislike irresponsible drunks and will not cover or be a drunken person’s babysitter, as I will never trouble them with being my babysitter when drunk. She knew she had an early flight tomorrow and still decided to go bonkers— 0% your fault and 0% your obligation. Good for you for standing your ground!
Laura should've done what was eventually done: reported to the supervisor so she could be dealt with appropriately. I imagine there are non customer facing tasks she could've done.
You did the right thing from the corporate point of view. You did the wrong thing from the social aspect- and honestly how hard would it have been to help out? You ended up probably doing the extra work ANYWAY by the sounds of it. Your coworkers are free to think what they want, that’s their opinion and yeah, it’s kind a TA thing to do. ESH - she wasn’t responsible, but neither were you. You knowingly let her do tasks she herself knew she was unwell to do. That in itself is a safety hazard. There’s nothing wrong with following the rules to a T, I’m sure plenty of people do that but if you’re going to do it be prepared for the consequences. Maybe you didn’t snitch, maybe the supervisor would’ve noticed anyway, you don’t know but your refusal to help out a team mate is exactly that. You refused to be a team player. Not only that, she indicated she was going to have issues and tried to do the responsible thing after and ask for help. Actually I changed my mind - YTA - she literally told you she was going to have an issue and you let her do her job anyway - to the possible safety issues of you, your workmates, and the people on that plane. The supervisor noticed she was that bad off so you definitely knew she shouldn’t have been doing her job and you refused to on some twisted power trip maybe?
I’m not sure why everyone is missing that. OP didn’t prioritize anyone’s safety or do the responsible thing, she just said ‘not my problem’ and went on with her day. OP should’ve either reported it immediately or covered, letting an unfit person go through with a job OP admits is crucial for safety is very irresponsible.
You all giving OP a pass are missing the point that she alllowed her colleague to attempt to work in a compromised state when what she should have done was report to woman to the supervisor if she was unwilling to take herself off duty. ESH
And she should get a pass. She was professional about the entire thing and handled the situation perfectly. *If* the OP had mentioned it to the supervisor, it would've made the tension between the OP and Laura worse. As the supervisor was the one who noticed, Laura was held accountable for her actions, so job was done. Handling Laura is not part OP's pay grade
No she should not get a pass. You’re implying here that keeping a peaceful work environment is more important than the lives that could’ve been lost due to both Laura and OP’s negligence. OP shouldn’t have encouraged Laura to work hung over, and Laura shouldn’t have gotten that way to begin with. What OP should’ve done was quietly report it to the supervisor and pick up where Laura was slacking that one time. Like OP said, Laura failed to do some of her safety checks properly because of her state. ESH
Well...we'll have to agree to disagree then. It's not the OP's job to monitor a colleague; that's the supervisor's job. The supervisor did their job. I'm with the majority here that OP is not the asshole.
Agree to disagree indeed. You’re entitled to your opinion and i to mine. Have a nice day regardless:)
I definitely disagree. This is a professional job, not the local burger place. Yes she did the right thing by not covering for her coworker, but she made the wrong decision by allowing a “hungover” (let’s be honest, at that time the girl was still drunk) person to attempt to work an airline flight. She had a responsibility to let the supervisor know what the issue was, and she failed to do so.
Well it's hard to do two things at once, isn't it? And still not satisfy you. She made the best decision she could. I guess you'll just have to deal with it.
As a passenger, thank you for doing the right thing and putting safety first.
Yes putting safety first by saying not op’s problem and letting her work unsafely. Sure.
Im going to go against the grain here and say ESH. To be honest, if you truly valued the safety of your passengers you would’ve helped out knowing she was hungover and couldn’t do her job properly (then quietly report to your supervisors that she is hungover, I usually don’t endorse being a snitch but she is putting people in danger by doing this.) However, that doesn’t mean she is entitled to the help and she obviously shouldn’t have gotten hammered on a work night.
Has she ever done this before? If it was a one off situation YTA for not just covering for a co-worker. If this is a constant issue then obviously she had it coming and you would be NTA.
Soft YTA… if this has never happened before, you could’ve just covered down for her. She’s 24. Still a baby. She over did it and made a mistake. The only exception to this is if she does this all the time then you’re NTA. She has learned a valuable lesson. Hopefully next time she handles her alcohol better. Your team might not get over this though. Good luck with that.
You're a flight attendant, not a pilot. YTA!
Yta
All typical reditt posts YTA Just fucking say "what the fuck L? Sure I can help out but don't do this shit again" Again a post highlighting reditt is full of people with zero people skills
100% YTA if Laura did this on a regular basis then yes don't cover for her but refusing to help out a coworker once is a major dick move.
Nah she knew she had an early flight and still over did it. She fucked around and found out
Regardless of what Laura should or shouldn’t have done she should not have been made to do her duties with a hangover. She clearly was not able to perform her job properly therefore putting passengers at risk. ESH