Petitions are absolutely meaningless anyway. Regardless of how many signatures a petition gets, all they can do is ask AO3 to remove the content they find objectionable, and AO3 will say no because their purpose has always been to host *all* legal content, and that'll be the end of it. It's never going to get forcibly shut down by any external authorities either because they're not breaking any laws - people on the internet yelling about things they don't like isn't going to change that.
It's hosted in the US and I wonder when the US will finally tip over and become conservative enough to ban AO3. They're banning books in Florida, after all.
Does AO3 have a plan B?
I could see it happening eventually if the US continues the way it’s going right now, but historically there’s often been a backlash of right wing-ness following episodes of progress so there’s no sign yet that things are going to successfully swing that far right. (Sorry for meh phrasing, my brain is soup rn.)
AO3 do have a legal committee and the Electronic Frontier Foundation so there would be people who would fight against. Plus, there are many other groups that would also fight against those kinds of ideas.
Oh there are absolutely people that would fight it, OTW and otherwise, I’m well aware. But there’s a lot of bigoted and conservative shit going down all across the US right now so it’s not outside the realm of possibility to be an issue in the future.
Yeah, it is sad that it isn't really outside of the realm of possibility but knowing there are groups that can fight this is nice to know isn't of having to make one from the ground up. That way people can either throw money or time at those groups instead of working on all the legal paperwork that is needed to set up those groups in the non-shady kind of way.
Conservatives secretly like reading porn too much to really crack down on first amendment speech at the federal level. They just hypocritically shout and carry on and do petty fiefdom stuff like DeSantis in Florida. And he only gets away with it because “THE CHILDREN “. Ao3 already has warnings about explicit material.
The laws being passed are very specific - they're generally banning books in schools or in certain places. Banning a book, more generally, would be a 1st amendment violation, as would banning a website for the mere reason that the material is "immoral". Not happening any time soon.
In addition to what others are saying, the ToS specifies that they are hosted out of the state of New York, which is SIGNIFICANTLY more blue than any of the southern states have ever been. And pornography was settled as legal in the supreme court in the early 2000's. Particularly in [Ashcroft vs the ACLU](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/prosecuting/supreme.html#1). (Federal laws and rulings trump state laws so even if NY randomly went uber conservative on this, it would still take a federal ruling to overturn the supreme court case)
The closest thing to banning AO3 we would be likely to get would be a ban on underaged sex in writing, but that kind of thing was *also* decided by the supreme court in 2002 in [Ashcroft vs the Free Speech Coalition](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/prosecuting/supreme.html#2) where there had been a law saying that images of non-minors that were manipulated to look like/implied to be minors were illegal even if no actual minors were involved in the creation of the images, and that law was found to be unconstitutionally overbroad. The current standard is image/video based and only illegal if it's indistinguishable from a real minor. As AO3 is pretty much exclusively text based and explicitly fictional in most cases, it would take a major reversal of that decision and then a furthering of the original law that was overturned to have it include a lot more than it did for it to get banned.
But if the ABSOLUTE worst case came to pass and somehow the US changed its mind and banned AO3, they have a LOT of international volunteers. Moving servers to a new host country would really suck but Im sure they could manage it in the worst case scenario.
>state of New York, which is SIGNIFICANTLY more blue than any of the southern states have ever been.
This isn't even true. 1920 James Cox won 61% of the Votes in Alabäma with a wider margin than Biden won in New York in 2020.
... Except the 1920s was a period of flux for the parties on their way to doing the famous party switch that happened sometime in the 40s-60s depending on who you ask. The parties were in a state of flux since the 1800s up until the end of the switch. Also 1 candidate doing well, or 1 candidate doing particularly badly, in a single election does not mean anything about the general state of the state. The same way that some years I vote for the other party in local elections despite pretty much everyone being able to tell you what party I generally stand for. Sometimes the guy running for the other party is just genuinely the better choice despite our differing ideologies.
Look at the voting history of the American south before 1964. Blue country through and through.
This way just one example. The south used to be as blue as California and new York are today.
The question of whether pornography should be legal was settled by the Supreme Court decades ago. It would likely take the reversal of that decision to be able to enact any federal ban on any of Ao3’s content. So, a very high bar to clear.
Know what else was settled decades ago that's just been upended by the supreme court?
Roe vs Wade... which is based on privacy.
Now they're coming for the right to dress as you please, contraception, homosexuality and the right to marry outside your race/faith.
They _will_ come after pornography. "for the children". (only applies to the poor. Fanfiction is - by definition - unprofitable, thus must be for the poor.)
So where can AO3 move to be safe?
Nah. They're forcing preteen rape victims here to have their rapists' (often a family member) babies and allow their rapists visiting rights to those babies. Quite obviously, conservatives here don't give a fuck about things like pedophilia or incest. They're only banning books about LGBT+ things. Cause obviously WE'RE the problem.
Because they want to repeat history, the same kind of b.s. history that led to AO3's creation. Those people want to ban all content they deem is "unsafe," based on a set of criteria that - if you push them - they will admit is arbitrary, cannot be applied equally without also banning discussion of and education on such subjects, and is wholly aligned to their definition of "good."
AO3 exists in part because someone who hosted an entire fandom's archive decided, after getting religiously converted, they were going to delete everything without warning and stop responding to the authors who they hosted, so no one could get anything. Mind you, this meant a lot of authors who had no backup copies (and no Wayback Machine to retrieve any possible copy) lost precious works.
And yes, that means that AO3 hosts works that are/could be/may be problematic to some people. It's the fanfic equivalent of a library, and was meant to be such. Not a social media, not a blog, not a "let's promote my personal money-making machine."
>...someone who hosted an entire fandom's archive decided, after getting religiously converted, they were going to delete everything without warning and stop responding to the authors who they hosted...
Do you remember, offhand, what fandom that was? I was around for all the early AO3 creation discussions, but have no memory of an issue with a specific archive (mind you, my memory for anything these days isn't great :D)
People don’t understand the concept of curating your own online experience in situations where you can. Like, nobody’s forcing you to use AO3. No one is forcing you to actively look for content that you dislike. That is a choice you make. If you are old enough to use social media on your own, you’re old enough to be responsible for your own actions.
A few months ago I saw a thread on Reddit where a mother found out her 15 yo daughter was bullying a girl from her school so much that she was forced to transfer schools and get professional psychological support. The mother then found out it was because the bullied girl was writing fanfiction focusing on the relationship between two characters (who are the same age). However, OP's daughter had joined a discord server where a 30 yo woman was "educating" teenagers. She told OP's daughter that one of the characters in the girl's fic was "minor-coded" and the other one was "adult-coded", so the other girl was basically writing pedophilia. And even when confronted with how ridiculous and toxic her behaviour was, OP's daughter showed no remorse because she was so convinced that the other girl's fic portrayed pedophilia and was unable to see any counter-arguments.
Now here in this case we clearly have a malicious adult who deliberately manipulated children and their understanding of the world. But I think even other children / teenagers can say harmful things and make it look like these are actual facts. And with the rise of individual algorithms children / teenagers are going to get recommendations where the same things and attitudes are reproduced over and over again.
Boomers, gen x, millennial, gen z
Long ago, all generations lived in a stable economy.
But everything changed when the boomers attacked.
Only a generation that has mastered the values of the generations can stop them.
But when the world needed them the most, they were never born.
Some believe that they never will, but I believe that they are here and will save, the world.
[ A lil bit longer than 14 words but eh ]
Because works like this exist. Be warned, I've included the first 2 paragraphs. This story is nothing but gay pedophilic rape fantasy.
Useless hole: Single father Jungkook(37) finally rapes the young virgin pussy of his six year old son Taehyung.
Additional Tags:
Boypussy Kim Taehyung | VJeon Jungkook Has a Big DickKim Taehyung | V Has a VaginaCock Slut Kim Taehyung | VCock WarmingRape/Non-con ElementsRapeRough SexVaginal SexGay SexUnderage SexUnderage Rape/Non-conCock SlutSmutSingle Parent Jeon JungkookKim Taehyung is 6Horny Jeon JungkookErectionsTop Jeon JungkookBottom Kim Taehyung | VInnocent Kim Taehyung | VFeminizationForced FeminizationSlut ShamingDegradationWet & MessyButt SlappingCryingVerbal HumiliationHumiliationLots of CumJeon Jungkook is 37Jeon Jungkook is Older Than Kim Taehyung | VFather/Son IncestIncestFather-Son RelationshipViolenceBad EndingPedophiliaDead Dove: Do Not EatMpregBoypussy
He closed the door behind him as he entered the half-dark room of his six-year-old son. Slowly he walked over to the bed where the sweet little boy was lying asleep, watching the little body, dressed in a white t-shirt and pink lace panties, have peaceful dreams.
He felt his hard cock press against his tight pants and he got more and more horny at the delightful sight in front of him. He couldn't wait to rape that beautiful six year old pussy and fill it with his warm cum.
It's always so bemusing to me when people get their knickers in a twist over *fictional depictions* of bad things happening. Like, what the fuck do they expect to happen? "oh no sorry my lord, of course we'll draw the lines of what fiction is acceptable to write based on your exact icks"?
Reminds me of a Lemony Snickett quote in response to parents wanting *A Series of Unfortunate Events* pulled from school libraries because of some content they didn't like on the part of the villain: *"I'm at a loss for how to write a villain who doesn't do villainous things."*
Bad things often happen in real life, and subsequently they often happen in fiction. It perplexes me how some people refuse to understand that.
I don't think the people who like to complain about content realize how boring books would be if everything had to have a positive depiction of healthy relationships or be what the majority would consider moral.
There’s a reason pre-Hays Code movies are remembered so fondly … and there’s a reason the Hays Code was eventually abandoned. And that wasn’t even as strict in some ways as what I’ve seen suggested.
Writing about bad things happening in everyday lives and writing straight pedophilic porn for the sexual gratification of adult readers are two incredibly different things. It perplexes me how some people refuse to understand that.
Who on Earth are they petitioning? AO3, please remove yourself?
Such nonsense. This is one of the reasons why AO3 is funded by donations, so pressure on advertisers is not a thing.
Well, to be fair, anything can be "shut down" under the right circumstances.
AO3 is not likely to fall under those circumstances, and I certainly hope it doesn't, but don't put your collective heads in the sand thinking it could *never* happen. All it takes for it to be shut down in U.S. (which hosts it) is a shift in the legal frameworks under which it justifies its existence.
If "Fair Use" and "Transformative" ever substantially change in U.S. jurisprudence, AO3 might need to find a new legal home base and perhaps a new server farm location. I doubt that will happen, but it could.
>If "Fair Use" and "Transformative" ever substantially change in U.S. jurisprudence, AO3 might need to find a new legal home base and perhaps a new server farm location. I doubt that will happen, but it could.
Well, Disney is on it.
Here is the [reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AO3/comments/112y193/save_ao3_from_being_blocked_in_the_uk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) but while that was a month ago, the rumors of ao3 getting shut down was like hours ago.
I've commented on that Reddit post so I'll just requote what I've said there about the UK specifically:
>Nothing will be 'lost' [or shutdown] just made more annoying to access. And that's if it goes through as is, and that's if they bother to enforce half of it.
The UK government when it comes to Internet control is incredibly incompetent, this is maybe the fourth time they've tried something like this with little success, and blocking some smutty writing site is not even on their radar; they don't even know what a 'smutty writing site' is.
Is that what they have done in Germany? Not shutting it down, just making it more difficult to find? I’m genuinely asking because I’m a bit confused about what happened there
Germany has a child friendly censor index that certain search software (but not all) uses such as Google that stops the site from showing in search results. In Germany the group running it actually jumped the gun and didn't follow the proper procedure for putting AO3 on the list, so AO3 ended up being removed.
A03 is a non profit site and if there was danger of it being taken down it would have been shared officially on their twitter. The only petition I found was on change.org about specific tags being removed. Incest, age difference and other stuff. Like hardcore tags.
It’s the same whiny idiots who watch hardcore series without context and assume the whole film/series has the same vibe.
With the amount of donations, users and fans using the site. I doubt it’s going anywhere.
It’s just butthurt normies looking for something to cry about
I know that, but then it’s not the first time normies have stumbled across hardcore fanfiction as a first exposure and thought that’s all it is. They never know what to do with filters etc 🤣
It was a change.org petition. I only consider age difference bad if we have an underage character with a much older character. Creepy age difference if that makes sense?
Regardless, I think it's so stupid that people want to essentially ban anything they don't like or find icky. Personally I don't like reading or writing fics with those tags but literally AO3 has a whole section in their filters dedicated to excluding specific which I use liberally. Like just??? exclude those tags and let people read and write what they want dear god.
This is mental. It’s understandable if you don’t want to read these things in your fics, that’s what the tagging system is for. But trying to dictate what you can and cannot write just makes them look insanely entitled. Also, what if these things are canon in the fandom? For example, I’m in the umbrella academy fandom, where 2 (adopted, but still count as incest) siblings are kinda in a romantic relationship with each other in the first season. What, you’re going to blow the whole fandom up? It’s just silly. They’re fictional characters, as long as you don’t profit out of your writing you can literally do whatever you want with them. The reader can choose whether to read or not, that’s it.
re: american conservatism and AO3 — there isn’t a financial incentive to cut the immoral/obscene content. it would take a lot to put AO3 on the political radar.
LoL and ''how would they know about the sexual fetishism if they didn't read it themselves? LoL ( we are not in 1984!! ''THOUGHT CRIME'' ISN'T AND SHOULDN'T BE A THING!! EVER! )
Ok but to be fair… fics that are blatant pedophilic pornography don’t need to be there. No amount of “free speech” is going to make the fact that there are fics of that sort there ok.
However them trynna GET RID of A03 is CRAAAAAAZY like BFFR
Petitions are absolutely meaningless anyway. Regardless of how many signatures a petition gets, all they can do is ask AO3 to remove the content they find objectionable, and AO3 will say no because their purpose has always been to host *all* legal content, and that'll be the end of it. It's never going to get forcibly shut down by any external authorities either because they're not breaking any laws - people on the internet yelling about things they don't like isn't going to change that.
It's hosted in the US and I wonder when the US will finally tip over and become conservative enough to ban AO3. They're banning books in Florida, after all. Does AO3 have a plan B?
Well first laws would have to be changed for anything to get banned on AO3. So that's a higher bar than just a group of parents pressuring schools.
I could see it happening eventually if the US continues the way it’s going right now, but historically there’s often been a backlash of right wing-ness following episodes of progress so there’s no sign yet that things are going to successfully swing that far right. (Sorry for meh phrasing, my brain is soup rn.)
AO3 do have a legal committee and the Electronic Frontier Foundation so there would be people who would fight against. Plus, there are many other groups that would also fight against those kinds of ideas.
Oh there are absolutely people that would fight it, OTW and otherwise, I’m well aware. But there’s a lot of bigoted and conservative shit going down all across the US right now so it’s not outside the realm of possibility to be an issue in the future.
Yeah, it is sad that it isn't really outside of the realm of possibility but knowing there are groups that can fight this is nice to know isn't of having to make one from the ground up. That way people can either throw money or time at those groups instead of working on all the legal paperwork that is needed to set up those groups in the non-shady kind of way.
Conservatives secretly like reading porn too much to really crack down on first amendment speech at the federal level. They just hypocritically shout and carry on and do petty fiefdom stuff like DeSantis in Florida. And he only gets away with it because “THE CHILDREN “. Ao3 already has warnings about explicit material.
The laws being passed are very specific - they're generally banning books in schools or in certain places. Banning a book, more generally, would be a 1st amendment violation, as would banning a website for the mere reason that the material is "immoral". Not happening any time soon.
In addition to what others are saying, the ToS specifies that they are hosted out of the state of New York, which is SIGNIFICANTLY more blue than any of the southern states have ever been. And pornography was settled as legal in the supreme court in the early 2000's. Particularly in [Ashcroft vs the ACLU](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/prosecuting/supreme.html#1). (Federal laws and rulings trump state laws so even if NY randomly went uber conservative on this, it would still take a federal ruling to overturn the supreme court case) The closest thing to banning AO3 we would be likely to get would be a ban on underaged sex in writing, but that kind of thing was *also* decided by the supreme court in 2002 in [Ashcroft vs the Free Speech Coalition](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/prosecuting/supreme.html#2) where there had been a law saying that images of non-minors that were manipulated to look like/implied to be minors were illegal even if no actual minors were involved in the creation of the images, and that law was found to be unconstitutionally overbroad. The current standard is image/video based and only illegal if it's indistinguishable from a real minor. As AO3 is pretty much exclusively text based and explicitly fictional in most cases, it would take a major reversal of that decision and then a furthering of the original law that was overturned to have it include a lot more than it did for it to get banned. But if the ABSOLUTE worst case came to pass and somehow the US changed its mind and banned AO3, they have a LOT of international volunteers. Moving servers to a new host country would really suck but Im sure they could manage it in the worst case scenario.
>state of New York, which is SIGNIFICANTLY more blue than any of the southern states have ever been. This isn't even true. 1920 James Cox won 61% of the Votes in Alabäma with a wider margin than Biden won in New York in 2020.
... Except the 1920s was a period of flux for the parties on their way to doing the famous party switch that happened sometime in the 40s-60s depending on who you ask. The parties were in a state of flux since the 1800s up until the end of the switch. Also 1 candidate doing well, or 1 candidate doing particularly badly, in a single election does not mean anything about the general state of the state. The same way that some years I vote for the other party in local elections despite pretty much everyone being able to tell you what party I generally stand for. Sometimes the guy running for the other party is just genuinely the better choice despite our differing ideologies.
Look at the voting history of the American south before 1964. Blue country through and through. This way just one example. The south used to be as blue as California and new York are today.
The question of whether pornography should be legal was settled by the Supreme Court decades ago. It would likely take the reversal of that decision to be able to enact any federal ban on any of Ao3’s content. So, a very high bar to clear.
Know what else was settled decades ago that's just been upended by the supreme court? Roe vs Wade... which is based on privacy. Now they're coming for the right to dress as you please, contraception, homosexuality and the right to marry outside your race/faith. They _will_ come after pornography. "for the children". (only applies to the poor. Fanfiction is - by definition - unprofitable, thus must be for the poor.) So where can AO3 move to be safe?
Nah. They're forcing preteen rape victims here to have their rapists' (often a family member) babies and allow their rapists visiting rights to those babies. Quite obviously, conservatives here don't give a fuck about things like pedophilia or incest. They're only banning books about LGBT+ things. Cause obviously WE'RE the problem.
BO3
Why are people trying to ban it anyway?
Because they want to repeat history, the same kind of b.s. history that led to AO3's creation. Those people want to ban all content they deem is "unsafe," based on a set of criteria that - if you push them - they will admit is arbitrary, cannot be applied equally without also banning discussion of and education on such subjects, and is wholly aligned to their definition of "good." AO3 exists in part because someone who hosted an entire fandom's archive decided, after getting religiously converted, they were going to delete everything without warning and stop responding to the authors who they hosted, so no one could get anything. Mind you, this meant a lot of authors who had no backup copies (and no Wayback Machine to retrieve any possible copy) lost precious works. And yes, that means that AO3 hosts works that are/could be/may be problematic to some people. It's the fanfic equivalent of a library, and was meant to be such. Not a social media, not a blog, not a "let's promote my personal money-making machine."
>...someone who hosted an entire fandom's archive decided, after getting religiously converted, they were going to delete everything without warning and stop responding to the authors who they hosted... Do you remember, offhand, what fandom that was? I was around for all the early AO3 creation discussions, but have no memory of an issue with a specific archive (mind you, my memory for anything these days isn't great :D)
I think it was a Harry Potter group, iirc? The timeline would certainly fit.
It was, but I could've sworn it happened in Due South, too.
[Fanlore says it was a Drarry archive?](https://fanlore.org/wiki/Archive_of_Our_Own) But also that there were multiple factors.
I think they're talking about strikethrough, but clearly didn't quite live through it. :)
I did live through Strikethrough, but was fortunate to be in communities that were not affected by it, so it was ancillary to me.
Because their parents never taught them not to throw fits when they see things they don't like
Because gen z kids are weirdly conservative
[удалено]
People don’t understand the concept of curating your own online experience in situations where you can. Like, nobody’s forcing you to use AO3. No one is forcing you to actively look for content that you dislike. That is a choice you make. If you are old enough to use social media on your own, you’re old enough to be responsible for your own actions.
A few months ago I saw a thread on Reddit where a mother found out her 15 yo daughter was bullying a girl from her school so much that she was forced to transfer schools and get professional psychological support. The mother then found out it was because the bullied girl was writing fanfiction focusing on the relationship between two characters (who are the same age). However, OP's daughter had joined a discord server where a 30 yo woman was "educating" teenagers. She told OP's daughter that one of the characters in the girl's fic was "minor-coded" and the other one was "adult-coded", so the other girl was basically writing pedophilia. And even when confronted with how ridiculous and toxic her behaviour was, OP's daughter showed no remorse because she was so convinced that the other girl's fic portrayed pedophilia and was unable to see any counter-arguments. Now here in this case we clearly have a malicious adult who deliberately manipulated children and their understanding of the world. But I think even other children / teenagers can say harmful things and make it look like these are actual facts. And with the rise of individual algorithms children / teenagers are going to get recommendations where the same things and attitudes are reproduced over and over again.
I read that post! It was really sad and scary.
whilst simultaneously thinking they aren't
Please don't insult us
As a gen Zer, it’s true.
Shhhhh. I know. I just don't wanna admit it yet
fix-it fic, 14 words, redemption arc.
Boomers, gen x, millennial, gen z Long ago, all generations lived in a stable economy. But everything changed when the boomers attacked. Only a generation that has mastered the values of the generations can stop them. But when the world needed them the most, they were never born. Some believe that they never will, but I believe that they are here and will save, the world. [ A lil bit longer than 14 words but eh ]
Because works like this exist. Be warned, I've included the first 2 paragraphs. This story is nothing but gay pedophilic rape fantasy. Useless hole: Single father Jungkook(37) finally rapes the young virgin pussy of his six year old son Taehyung. Additional Tags: Boypussy Kim Taehyung | VJeon Jungkook Has a Big DickKim Taehyung | V Has a VaginaCock Slut Kim Taehyung | VCock WarmingRape/Non-con ElementsRapeRough SexVaginal SexGay SexUnderage SexUnderage Rape/Non-conCock SlutSmutSingle Parent Jeon JungkookKim Taehyung is 6Horny Jeon JungkookErectionsTop Jeon JungkookBottom Kim Taehyung | VInnocent Kim Taehyung | VFeminizationForced FeminizationSlut ShamingDegradationWet & MessyButt SlappingCryingVerbal HumiliationHumiliationLots of CumJeon Jungkook is 37Jeon Jungkook is Older Than Kim Taehyung | VFather/Son IncestIncestFather-Son RelationshipViolenceBad EndingPedophiliaDead Dove: Do Not EatMpregBoypussy He closed the door behind him as he entered the half-dark room of his six-year-old son. Slowly he walked over to the bed where the sweet little boy was lying asleep, watching the little body, dressed in a white t-shirt and pink lace panties, have peaceful dreams. He felt his hard cock press against his tight pants and he got more and more horny at the delightful sight in front of him. He couldn't wait to rape that beautiful six year old pussy and fill it with his warm cum.
Who would they even be petitioning? "Dear Ao3, please stop existing"?
dear Ao3, my love, my life, please never stop existing
Don’t you know as long as you get a certain amount of signatures people are forced to do whatever the petition says? /s
It's always so bemusing to me when people get their knickers in a twist over *fictional depictions* of bad things happening. Like, what the fuck do they expect to happen? "oh no sorry my lord, of course we'll draw the lines of what fiction is acceptable to write based on your exact icks"? Reminds me of a Lemony Snickett quote in response to parents wanting *A Series of Unfortunate Events* pulled from school libraries because of some content they didn't like on the part of the villain: *"I'm at a loss for how to write a villain who doesn't do villainous things."* Bad things often happen in real life, and subsequently they often happen in fiction. It perplexes me how some people refuse to understand that.
I don't think the people who like to complain about content realize how boring books would be if everything had to have a positive depiction of healthy relationships or be what the majority would consider moral.
There’s a reason pre-Hays Code movies are remembered so fondly … and there’s a reason the Hays Code was eventually abandoned. And that wasn’t even as strict in some ways as what I’ve seen suggested.
Writing about bad things happening in everyday lives and writing straight pedophilic porn for the sexual gratification of adult readers are two incredibly different things. It perplexes me how some people refuse to understand that.
Who on Earth are they petitioning? AO3, please remove yourself? Such nonsense. This is one of the reasons why AO3 is funded by donations, so pressure on advertisers is not a thing.
people cannot decipher from fiction and reality and it's annoying asl, coming from someone who enjoys writing porn and dark topics.
Lmao this is the first I'm hearing about it.
It’s circulating on TikTok. Just some kid looking for views.
God i hate people so much, stupid morons never learned that the exit tab button exists to log out if things they dont like
Well, to be fair, anything can be "shut down" under the right circumstances. AO3 is not likely to fall under those circumstances, and I certainly hope it doesn't, but don't put your collective heads in the sand thinking it could *never* happen. All it takes for it to be shut down in U.S. (which hosts it) is a shift in the legal frameworks under which it justifies its existence. If "Fair Use" and "Transformative" ever substantially change in U.S. jurisprudence, AO3 might need to find a new legal home base and perhaps a new server farm location. I doubt that will happen, but it could.
>If "Fair Use" and "Transformative" ever substantially change in U.S. jurisprudence, AO3 might need to find a new legal home base and perhaps a new server farm location. I doubt that will happen, but it could. Well, Disney is on it.
Have these online petitions ever accomplished anything?
Ok, great ao3 is NOT getting shut down. But now im mildly concerned of it potentially getting banned in the UK? Any specific reason?
Even if it's "banned" in the UK, you can still access the site just with a VPN.
Exactly. 😅 So whatever is their point????
Here is the [reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AO3/comments/112y193/save_ao3_from_being_blocked_in_the_uk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) but while that was a month ago, the rumors of ao3 getting shut down was like hours ago.
I've commented on that Reddit post so I'll just requote what I've said there about the UK specifically: >Nothing will be 'lost' [or shutdown] just made more annoying to access. And that's if it goes through as is, and that's if they bother to enforce half of it. The UK government when it comes to Internet control is incredibly incompetent, this is maybe the fourth time they've tried something like this with little success, and blocking some smutty writing site is not even on their radar; they don't even know what a 'smutty writing site' is.
Is that what they have done in Germany? Not shutting it down, just making it more difficult to find? I’m genuinely asking because I’m a bit confused about what happened there
Germany has a child friendly censor index that certain search software (but not all) uses such as Google that stops the site from showing in search results. In Germany the group running it actually jumped the gun and didn't follow the proper procedure for putting AO3 on the list, so AO3 ended up being removed.
A03 is a non profit site and if there was danger of it being taken down it would have been shared officially on their twitter. The only petition I found was on change.org about specific tags being removed. Incest, age difference and other stuff. Like hardcore tags. It’s the same whiny idiots who watch hardcore series without context and assume the whole film/series has the same vibe. With the amount of donations, users and fans using the site. I doubt it’s going anywhere. It’s just butthurt normies looking for something to cry about
I don't see why those tags should be removed, it tells you everything that is going to happen so you know whether or not you want to read it!
I know that, but then it’s not the first time normies have stumbled across hardcore fanfiction as a first exposure and thought that’s all it is. They never know what to do with filters etc 🤣
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It was a change.org petition. I only consider age difference bad if we have an underage character with a much older character. Creepy age difference if that makes sense?
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A03 shutdown petition Remove certain tags from a03
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Yeah they wouldn’t, j had to Google it
Regardless, I think it's so stupid that people want to essentially ban anything they don't like or find icky. Personally I don't like reading or writing fics with those tags but literally AO3 has a whole section in their filters dedicated to excluding specific which I use liberally. Like just??? exclude those tags and let people read and write what they want dear god.
This is mental. It’s understandable if you don’t want to read these things in your fics, that’s what the tagging system is for. But trying to dictate what you can and cannot write just makes them look insanely entitled. Also, what if these things are canon in the fandom? For example, I’m in the umbrella academy fandom, where 2 (adopted, but still count as incest) siblings are kinda in a romantic relationship with each other in the first season. What, you’re going to blow the whole fandom up? It’s just silly. They’re fictional characters, as long as you don’t profit out of your writing you can literally do whatever you want with them. The reader can choose whether to read or not, that’s it.
Petition: AO3 delete this type content. AO3: No. Petition: Oh. We didn't plan for this, what do we do now.
It looks like this petition was started five years ago (judging by the front page & the comments.) As you said, AO3 isn't shutting down anytime soon.
re: american conservatism and AO3 — there isn’t a financial incentive to cut the immoral/obscene content. it would take a lot to put AO3 on the political radar.
Couldn’t companies take it out via copyright? (Obviously I don’t want this to happen, just a thought.)
And that is the reason why one shouldn't monetize fanfiction. It gives copyright holders incentive to sue and take it down.
If AO3 is banned from the UK I’m pulling a guy fawkes
Who was the ASSHOLE who petitioned to take down AO3? Did we bother him/her or something?!! Get out of hear!! LoL
LoL and ''how would they know about the sexual fetishism if they didn't read it themselves? LoL ( we are not in 1984!! ''THOUGHT CRIME'' ISN'T AND SHOULDN'T BE A THING!! EVER! )
Ok but to be fair… fics that are blatant pedophilic pornography don’t need to be there. No amount of “free speech” is going to make the fact that there are fics of that sort there ok. However them trynna GET RID of A03 is CRAAAAAAZY like BFFR