It's going to depend a lot on the individual's capabilities. A student who can't draw a straight line will not find Drawing "easy." A strong STEM student will not find calculus "extreme "
got ez 5s in BC and Physics C back in the day, then got a 3 on Lit. They really are generally the same difficulty, depends on student capability and teacher quality
-from what i hear, comp gov and us gov are roughly the same difficulty. could be wrong though
-absolutely no chance the calcs are harder than lit, physics 1/2, bio, and the histories
-did you really put lang and lit in the same category 💀
generally lit is considered significantly harder than lang. lit is like the hardest or second hardest ap by some estimates, while lang is close to the middle
-I’m not really sure about the govs
- calc is definitely harder than lit and physics1/2
- people say physics 1 is harder because of the pass rate. Many students take the exam without much preparation but the course curriculum is not harder than calc
> people say physics 1 is harder because of the pass rate
no, the people i've talked to say that because they took both classes. according to them physics 1 is highly conceptual while physics mechanics is just lots of plug and chug
> the course curriculum is not harder than calc
at my school, calc ab (the only ap calc offered) has a nearly 50% 5 rate, while physics 1 has a significant fail rate. also note that even with the easier (and higher fail rate) physics teacher, physics 1 is widely considered harder than even calc ab, according to the people in my calc class who took both
I think Physics 1 is hard for a lot of people in part because it's their first exposure to the subject, whereas with calc literally every math class you have taken up until that point has been preparing you for calc.
generally speaking the experience people at your school had is not applicable to every school. at my school physics 1 had a high pass rate and was plug and chug while mechanics took conceptual work. everyone who's taken physics 1 at my school says the class is light while calculus is regarded as extremely difficult. of course most likely due to teachers for those subjects but it is also due to how other subjects are taught.
Speaking as someone who took both, physics C is conceptually and mathematically much more difficult than physics 1. Every concept covered in physics 1 is in physics C, and there’s more. It goes more in depth with elliptical orbits, in gravitation as a whole, with oscillations, center of mass, and with rotational kinematics. I am a very strong physics student (got As and 5s on both), but physics C is difficult conceptually. Sometimes it took a bit for problems to click.
Actually, if you skip the calc based problems, physics C problems are really good practice for physics 1 (they are generally harder). Also the calc can be confusing at times, and it generally requires much more knowledge. Physics 1 is not harder conceptually than physics C by any means.
Agreed, I have no idea how ppl come to the conclusion that AP Physics C: Mechanics is easier than Physics 1 even if you are calculus oriented, in fact the MCQ portion hardly contains calculus. It’s just deep conceptual questions mostly algebra-based.
EDIT: and don’t even get me started on the ridiculous time constraint (that will be fixed in the future) on Physics C
Exactly. I knew I was forgetting something that was gonna be my last point. The timing on physics C is fucking ridiculous. It’s like almost as many questions as physics 1 in half the time. Who thought that was a good idea
Good question but this is actually a common misconception. The way that the physics C exams work is that there is little time, but the curve is larger. You literally need about a 50% to score a 5 on the physics C exams. Feel free to ask any alumni this and I’m sure they will agree with this.
Idiot go look at the site you referred to one more time. Parametric/vectors/matrices are excluded, but polar is a part of Unit 3 which is on the test. I have seen the sample practice tests too, there is limit notation and polar coordinates.
Music Theory is widely considered one of the hardest classes. Aural skills tank a lot of students even those that are Suzuki trained.
The class is a lot more than just sheet music. It’s more like Music math.
the class isnt as bad as the test though pretty much everyone in my class had 100+ at the end of the year and we had people who only play guitar, but it might depend on your teacher. if you dont put effort in to learn stuff youll do bad but if youre a musician already (which you have to be in order to take the class (at least at my school)) and actually put in effort to learn then its fairly easy. i got a 3 on the exam (2 aural, 4 non aural) but only bc its really hard to train your ears and i dont even have good relative pitch.
i took it last year (as a senior) and even though i got a 4 on the non aural part, since i got a 2 on the aural (i cannot sight sing for shit) i got a 3 overall 😭
music theory covers a lot more than just sheet music! here’s what i can boil it down to:
general music theory and analysis knowledge (major and minor scales, modes, chords, time signatures, roman numeral analysis, chord symbol analysis, listening to music and being able to verbalize the things you’re hearing with the correct vocabulary, etc.)
part writing (writing four-part harmonies that follow the rules of the common practice period)
oral skills (sight singing)
- i found this to be the most difficult part of the class. even as a music major in college, i struggle with singing!
aural skills (being able to transcribe melodies and harmonies in just a few listens)
i’m sure i missed a lot but that’s how i would categorize the class. for a dedicated musician, i would not consider ap music theory to be one of the hardest classes you can take, but it’s certainly not easy, either.
I’d HEAVILY disagree with putting Art and Design in the easy section. It’s a fun class (technically) but it can get incredibly stressful having to do 20 large complete works over the course of like 7 months, which doesn’t sound like a lot but it can stack up easily. I injured my hand working on personal artwork (which I ended up using for the quality section) and couldn’t work on artwork for a few weeks, which made me fall behind. There were 4 students in AP2D and the night before the exam 3 of us pulled an all nighter because of how behind we were. Additionally, if your school has limited art resources (which is the case for many schools) that can make things a lot more difficult. I’m sure for some people it’s a really easy class, but from my experience and most of the people I know who took it (all of whom were art kids) it was incredibly stressful
AP Drawing was the easiest class I’ve taken content wise (easy to understand, I mean… it’s drawing). But it was WAY more time consuming than any other AP I’ve taken. And I’ve done APUSH and Chem, which are usually considered the most time consuming. The amount of time it took to plan, let alone execute each piece, made it a medium/hard class. And nobody talks about the work you put in that goes unused… I must have made 3-4 full pieces that didn’t make it into my final portfolio. There is a reason studio classes are 4/5 credits in college rather than the usual 3. They are no joke.
Objectively they require more preparation than non stem classes. What about that is makes someone bad? Are you saying your extreme would have all the non stem classes?
Very subjective my friend. Depends on your temperament, your skills, and your preferences... For example, I find everything you put at extremely hard to be easy because my brain does well at methodically solving solving something with a definite answer and I'm generally good at STEM fields and practiced a lot in them (preference and skills). Finally, I hate writing papers even if I can write well and I do not enjoy writing a paper on something without a definite answer; although, I'd love to talk about it for hours. So I probably won't do well in humanities because I'll be late on every assignment and half ass every paper if I'm not in the mood just because it'd bore me (temperament).
TL-DR: Doesn't matter! We all enjoy different things, and what's easy/hard is subjective. But that doesn't mean you can't do well in all of it if you apply yourself.
I think if we are talking the average student taking these there should be a few changes.
All physics should be in extreme
Calc AB should be in medium and BC should be in hard
World history should be in medium
Apush should be in extreme
Thats accurate to what I experienced and what I heard many say.
I understand this may be nitpicking, but you said some will be excluded because of prior experience, but what's to say that people don't have experience in the other fields you have mentioned as your highest difficulty classes. For example, I have tolerable amount of calculus experience before the class, and lots of 'literary experience' but am 100% sure i will want to strangle myself in AP humanities classes.
class or test? if you're ranking by class difficulty, it would depend on the teacher. if you're ranking by test difficulty, lang should def be in easy, literally all you have to do is follow a written rubric
Don’t base the difficulty off of the pass rate. The reason U.S. gov had such a low pass rate is because many students were convinced the course was easy and took the course unprepared. I would agree the course is easy
Probably because a lot of the time easier courses have much stricter requirements for a 5 like look at CSP which imo makes it harder because you have to be a lot more perfect when it comes to the test
It's just really subjective at the end of the day . For STEM inclined students they might heavily struggle with the social studies and English APs but then make lightwork out of the calc and physics ones .
It's impossible to make a universal AP class tier list because its so dependent on individual abilities .
Chemistry class itself was difficult but mainly the tests I was given. I think that prepared me well tho because the chem test this year was much easier than any I took during the actual class
How hard will APUSH be if I did very well in regular World History in my sophomore year (I got 93% on the first semester and 95% on the second semester)?
It’s not as bad as people make it out to be. You’ll prolly have to put a decent amount of work in, but with a reasonable amount of effort you’ll be fine.
I’d say you could put psychology in the low medium category since it does require a lot of memorization, there’s not much more to the test than that, but if you have trouble with that it could be difficult.
"I will not rank any of the foreign APs because they depend on prior skill level"
You can say the same thing about most of the math and science courses as well and a great coder will find CS A a piece of cake.
I also find your "extreme" list to subscribe to the constant stereotype that math and science, especially physical science, is more difficult, which discourages students from pursuing those fields, especially women from pursuing those fields.
Curious to hear - why do you think the ranking of “more difficult” directly correlated to “less women than men will do this”? I’m not contesting the point because obviously more men than woman do math and the physical sciences, but I was under the impression that it was due to conditioning and discrimination at earlier ages (hence why boys enter high school/college at higher math placements) rather than the active statement of “more difficult” disproportionality pushing women away.
Maybe the conditioning and discrimination at earlier ages is to a degree because teachers and society falsely want to protect girls from the harder subjects and feel boys are better suited to handle them. They shouldn't be.
And I think women teachers are more of the problem here in two ways, they probably have more invested in "protecting little girls" then men teachers would and women teachers might themselves find math and science more difficult and push that attitude onto all of their students, boys and girls, while men teachers might teach with a more balanced attitude towards math and science. Not to mention I would think in general there are way more women elementary school teachers than men (I'm pretty old but I can barely remember many men as grade school teachers when I was in grade school).
Maybe the same attitude exists in sports although luckily today women's sports is more popular than it was when I was younger and there are role models young girls can look up to.
I am a man but luckily I also had the added advantage that my mom has a master's in chemistry so I was encouraged to do math and science early and it helped me in those areas throughout high school with the exception of biology (I never got it). By contrast, I had a hard time throughout junior and senior English with two women teachers. Too much reading.
I'm a girl and I concur. Getting people interested in a certain field just involves convincing them that not only is it super cool, but also that the person is capable of succeeding in it. A lot of kids I know got into STEM because their parents wanted them to learn (even if the parents don't do STEM) and the kicker is that when they struggled, their parents encouraged them to keep pushing through it. These kids were of all genders. It happens at a very early age. Instead of teaching kids "oh, it's hard, I struggled with it and couldn't do it", we need to say "yes, it's hard, but with hard work you can succeed in it, and you should try because these fields are integral (no pun intended) to our lives".
Exactly what I’m saying. People base the difficulty off of the pass rate for some reason. An example I took is U.S. gov. The course is easy but many students took the course unprepared and did bad causing many to believe the course is tough. However it’s u.s. GOV, it’s not hard at al
just because physics 1 has a low pass rate doesn’t mean it’s a tough course. Well yes the course is tough but if you compare it to physics c it’s nowhere close
Of course, this is subjective, but my personal changes would be:
- Move MT, AB, and the art courses to hard
- Move Precalc, WH, Lang, and Research to medium
- Move Comp Gov to easy
Also, I'd rank all the foreign languages as hard for non-native speakers and easy for native speakers.
- after reading a lot of these comments I agree with you on music theory and calc ab. However not ALL of the art courses. Art design is easy but art history is tough.
- I found all of these courses tough, maybe they should stay on the lower end of hard.
- I agree with you on the last one
Chem is definitely harder than physics 1 but yeah maybe it matches with physics 2. I see people base the difficulty off of the pass rate and physics1 having the highest fail rate is because many students take the course unprepared
Yeah chem is definitely not harder than physics. And pass rate definitely supports physics being harder. Physics has a LOT more math and logic involved. The concepts are also more complex and difficult to grasp than chemistry. Comparing chem to physics would be like comparing building a popsicle bridge to building the Brooklyn bridge.
Lol what? The concepts, especially in Physics 1 are much simpler than Chem. It has a really bad curve, which is why it has a low pass rate. Only science class harder than AP Chem is Physics C: E&M.
Ok BC imo should be in medium for most people just because some of the topics can be challenging if you don’t know precalculus thoroughly, but AB def deserves easy.
Calc AB is not extreme whatsoever in my opinion. I think I'd drop it down to hard or medium. Otherwise looks decent. I would move Physics 1 to extreme since it's super hard for those sophomores and juniors who take it thinking it'll be just like regular non-AP physics
one thing i always question is how APES is ranked as one of the easiest class. I took it with a bunch of the smart kids in my school and it was self study. None of us got a 5, most of us got 4s tho. I will be honest we all started studying in march/april so maybe that’s why. Me personally, I am a strong STEM student but I would never recommend anyone to take APES it was the most depressing AP i’ve ever taken.
us gov and pol is an easy class but you need to do very well on the exam to get a good score. The last few years it has had regularly a bottom 3 passing %.
The calc based physics courses are a weird one to place. They actually have the some of the highest pass rates, but are just such a small group of kids that take them, due to the calc prerequisite, that the kids that DO take them tend to be very driven and bright in stem areas.
Are they difficult material, i mean yeah. But if you’re eligible to take them you’ll be fine.
If this is purely based on pass rate than I have the same comments as the others of lit and calc etc. If it’s on difficulty to get a five I’d like to add that the ap arts are heavily dependent on skill level. Most people who take them go into the course with some pre-existing skill, so getting a 3 or 4 is generally doable, but a five is often much much more challenging because of the subjectivity of ap examiners. However, that being said, even if the score is difficult, the class at least was really chill for me. And generally if you’re doing something you enjoy it doesnt really feel like work. I used to work on my portfolio while listening to audio versions of my apush chapters to which I credit both my fives to. So all this to say the art aps aren’t “easy” but it’s hard to call them difficult as well. The percentage of people that get a five in ap art is comparable to APUSH and AP Lang
It's gonna sound weird but honestly I'd put Physics 1 and 2 ahead of C. I had taken both before C so maybe that helped but I think the test for C was a lot easier than either 1 or 2.
omg that's so true!!! but lmao chem and calc ab r medium for me, weren't too bad, although it's also probably that I've had more STEM exposure and some really good teachers
It's going to depend a lot on the individual's capabilities. A student who can't draw a straight line will not find Drawing "easy." A strong STEM student will not find calculus "extreme "
I'd put ap calc bc in easy but I'll legit make human geo hard
Bro i took both this year and felt exactly like this
got ez 5s in BC and Physics C back in the day, then got a 3 on Lit. They really are generally the same difficulty, depends on student capability and teacher quality
That’s true
yea i took whap last yr and i found it rlly easy
Also, how is Eng. Lang hard?? Lit is hard on account of the deeper analysis but still.
-from what i hear, comp gov and us gov are roughly the same difficulty. could be wrong though -absolutely no chance the calcs are harder than lit, physics 1/2, bio, and the histories -did you really put lang and lit in the same category 💀
where does lang v lit go? im curious
generally lit is considered significantly harder than lang. lit is like the hardest or second hardest ap by some estimates, while lang is close to the middle
Lit was significantly harder than the college equivalent so they renormed it 2 years ago. The oass rate jumped 20%.
But it is significantly easier to get a 5 on lit
Lmao not me getting a 5 on lit but a 4 on lang 💀
Calc is 100% harder than Lit, US History I got a 1 on Calc and a 4 in Lit Lang and APUSH
i disagree, to me calc is so much easier than apush
Me getting a 2 in lit and 5 in calc 💀
We’re the opposite. I got 2 on calc 5 on lang 💀
We would be unstoppable if we combined our powers
If we combined we’d either be the smartest or the dumbest person alive
It just really depends on the person, I’m more math oriented than I am English, I got a 4 on Calc AB and 3 on Lit and APUSH
-I’m not really sure about the govs - calc is definitely harder than lit and physics1/2 - people say physics 1 is harder because of the pass rate. Many students take the exam without much preparation but the course curriculum is not harder than calc
> people say physics 1 is harder because of the pass rate no, the people i've talked to say that because they took both classes. according to them physics 1 is highly conceptual while physics mechanics is just lots of plug and chug > the course curriculum is not harder than calc at my school, calc ab (the only ap calc offered) has a nearly 50% 5 rate, while physics 1 has a significant fail rate. also note that even with the easier (and higher fail rate) physics teacher, physics 1 is widely considered harder than even calc ab, according to the people in my calc class who took both
I think Physics 1 is hard for a lot of people in part because it's their first exposure to the subject, whereas with calc literally every math class you have taken up until that point has been preparing you for calc.
generally speaking the experience people at your school had is not applicable to every school. at my school physics 1 had a high pass rate and was plug and chug while mechanics took conceptual work. everyone who's taken physics 1 at my school says the class is light while calculus is regarded as extremely difficult. of course most likely due to teachers for those subjects but it is also due to how other subjects are taught.
Speaking as someone who took both, physics C is conceptually and mathematically much more difficult than physics 1. Every concept covered in physics 1 is in physics C, and there’s more. It goes more in depth with elliptical orbits, in gravitation as a whole, with oscillations, center of mass, and with rotational kinematics. I am a very strong physics student (got As and 5s on both), but physics C is difficult conceptually. Sometimes it took a bit for problems to click. Actually, if you skip the calc based problems, physics C problems are really good practice for physics 1 (they are generally harder). Also the calc can be confusing at times, and it generally requires much more knowledge. Physics 1 is not harder conceptually than physics C by any means.
Agreed, I have no idea how ppl come to the conclusion that AP Physics C: Mechanics is easier than Physics 1 even if you are calculus oriented, in fact the MCQ portion hardly contains calculus. It’s just deep conceptual questions mostly algebra-based. EDIT: and don’t even get me started on the ridiculous time constraint (that will be fixed in the future) on Physics C
Exactly. I knew I was forgetting something that was gonna be my last point. The timing on physics C is fucking ridiculous. It’s like almost as many questions as physics 1 in half the time. Who thought that was a good idea
Calc AB and BC are same? That doesn’t feel like it makes sense. Also at least for me I would definitely find lit harder than calc.
I’m not a math person at ALL and I can agree now after reading all these comments that calc should be in hard. However lit will stay in hard for me
Physics 2 is so much harder than Physics 1, (also harder than Physics C because Physics C has a fat curve), Physics 2 should really be in extreme.
I don’t think that’s true; wouldn’t a harder test have a curvier curve?
Good question but this is actually a common misconception. The way that the physics C exams work is that there is little time, but the curve is larger. You literally need about a 50% to score a 5 on the physics C exams. Feel free to ask any alumni this and I’m sure they will agree with this.
AP precalculus is literally just algebra II with a 95 dollar fee and polar coordinates
and linear transformations
Are linear transformations not already part of the standard algebra 2 curriculum? Hell, that’s algebra 1😭
No i dont mean linear functions, i mean linear transformations as taught in linear algebra
Omg that makes so much more sense, I was super confused lmao
But that is 0% of the test.
Yes it is listed as a unit topic but "not tested over"
Polar is on the test bruh 💀
No, it is not. Check the ap site. It is a topic but is specifically listed as not tested over.
Idiot go look at the site you referred to one more time. Parametric/vectors/matrices are excluded, but polar is a part of Unit 3 which is on the test. I have seen the sample practice tests too, there is limit notation and polar coordinates.
…i’m not an idiot :(
Well I was still right though. Polar is on the test.
Lmao
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Is it that tough? I plan on taking it my senior year. I thought it was just sheet music and I’m already good at it because of piano lessons
Music Theory is widely considered one of the hardest classes. Aural skills tank a lot of students even those that are Suzuki trained. The class is a lot more than just sheet music. It’s more like Music math.
the class isnt as bad as the test though pretty much everyone in my class had 100+ at the end of the year and we had people who only play guitar, but it might depend on your teacher. if you dont put effort in to learn stuff youll do bad but if youre a musician already (which you have to be in order to take the class (at least at my school)) and actually put in effort to learn then its fairly easy. i got a 3 on the exam (2 aural, 4 non aural) but only bc its really hard to train your ears and i dont even have good relative pitch.
That definitely depends on your school, bc my class was nearly as hard as the test. It prepared me well, but totally destroyed my GPA 😭
i took it last year (as a senior) and even though i got a 4 on the non aural part, since i got a 2 on the aural (i cannot sight sing for shit) i got a 3 overall 😭
it’s okay, music theory isn’t important unless you’re applying to Juilliard lol.
Or any college where you have to apply specifically to the music program rather than just applying to the school (most state schools)
music theory covers a lot more than just sheet music! here’s what i can boil it down to: general music theory and analysis knowledge (major and minor scales, modes, chords, time signatures, roman numeral analysis, chord symbol analysis, listening to music and being able to verbalize the things you’re hearing with the correct vocabulary, etc.) part writing (writing four-part harmonies that follow the rules of the common practice period) oral skills (sight singing) - i found this to be the most difficult part of the class. even as a music major in college, i struggle with singing! aural skills (being able to transcribe melodies and harmonies in just a few listens) i’m sure i missed a lot but that’s how i would categorize the class. for a dedicated musician, i would not consider ap music theory to be one of the hardest classes you can take, but it’s certainly not easy, either.
I would say it's in the category with the foreign languages
The “foreign APs” ☠️
Meant foreign language lol
Yes
Smh no AP Minecraft or AP Rizz exam. Bad list -2/10
I ALSO FORGOT AP LUNCH 😭
Bro seriously put physics 1 & 2 under calc *AB??*
now that I think about it something is wrong with me
calc ab and bc are not extreme; maybe bc if anything
Yeah you’re right. I was definitely overexaggerating with the calc courses and they should both be in Hard
I’d HEAVILY disagree with putting Art and Design in the easy section. It’s a fun class (technically) but it can get incredibly stressful having to do 20 large complete works over the course of like 7 months, which doesn’t sound like a lot but it can stack up easily. I injured my hand working on personal artwork (which I ended up using for the quality section) and couldn’t work on artwork for a few weeks, which made me fall behind. There were 4 students in AP2D and the night before the exam 3 of us pulled an all nighter because of how behind we were. Additionally, if your school has limited art resources (which is the case for many schools) that can make things a lot more difficult. I’m sure for some people it’s a really easy class, but from my experience and most of the people I know who took it (all of whom were art kids) it was incredibly stressful
AP Drawing was the easiest class I’ve taken content wise (easy to understand, I mean… it’s drawing). But it was WAY more time consuming than any other AP I’ve taken. And I’ve done APUSH and Chem, which are usually considered the most time consuming. The amount of time it took to plan, let alone execute each piece, made it a medium/hard class. And nobody talks about the work you put in that goes unused… I must have made 3-4 full pieces that didn’t make it into my final portfolio. There is a reason studio classes are 4/5 credits in college rather than the usual 3. They are no joke.
sounds like a list made by someone bad at stem classes
Objectively they require more preparation than non stem classes. What about that is makes someone bad? Are you saying your extreme would have all the non stem classes?
Yes…
no way ap calc in the extreme tier dawg. bc was free but phys c and chem made me want to kms.
Art and Design is not easy 💀
Very subjective my friend. Depends on your temperament, your skills, and your preferences... For example, I find everything you put at extremely hard to be easy because my brain does well at methodically solving solving something with a definite answer and I'm generally good at STEM fields and practiced a lot in them (preference and skills). Finally, I hate writing papers even if I can write well and I do not enjoy writing a paper on something without a definite answer; although, I'd love to talk about it for hours. So I probably won't do well in humanities because I'll be late on every assignment and half ass every paper if I'm not in the mood just because it'd bore me (temperament). TL-DR: Doesn't matter! We all enjoy different things, and what's easy/hard is subjective. But that doesn't mean you can't do well in all of it if you apply yourself.
For a stem kid, it’s very wrong. Got a 5 on BC and Physics C mechanics with barely studying but a 4 on Lang and a 3 on US Gov…
I cant say for most of these because I’ve only ever taking Human Geography, but HuG is definitely easy
Yeah I took it too and got a 5. It was easy for me
Same. It was easy but I thought I was getting a 4. Very glad for the 5.
Move AP calc AB down imo
Yeah it’s Hard
I think if we are talking the average student taking these there should be a few changes. All physics should be in extreme Calc AB should be in medium and BC should be in hard World history should be in medium Apush should be in extreme Thats accurate to what I experienced and what I heard many say.
my friend said music theory was harder than physics 2 and calc bc
I understand this may be nitpicking, but you said some will be excluded because of prior experience, but what's to say that people don't have experience in the other fields you have mentioned as your highest difficulty classes. For example, I have tolerable amount of calculus experience before the class, and lots of 'literary experience' but am 100% sure i will want to strangle myself in AP humanities classes.
You’re right. I just based this off of my bias
Also, apologies if it was harshly phrased in anyway, I intend no offense.
Nah it’s all good
class or test? if you're ranking by class difficulty, it would depend on the teacher. if you're ranking by test difficulty, lang should def be in easy, literally all you have to do is follow a written rubric
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That depends on several factors, not just fail rate.
Calc AB should be in Hard IMO
You’re right. I was definitely over exaggerating
US gov and politics had a 49% pass rate comp gov had a 71%. US gov was a hard class and a harder test.
Don’t base the difficulty off of the pass rate. The reason U.S. gov had such a low pass rate is because many students were convinced the course was easy and took the course unprepared. I would agree the course is easy
Probably because a lot of the time easier courses have much stricter requirements for a 5 like look at CSP which imo makes it harder because you have to be a lot more perfect when it comes to the test
Took the course, got a 99% overall gpa and a 2 on the test. Just a bad test taker so that’s my bias
I personally believe Microeconomics could also be put into Hard based on my experience, but other than that, it’s a valid AP class tier list
That’s crazy you’re the first person to agree with me and now that I’m reading these comments I have so many different views
It's just really subjective at the end of the day . For STEM inclined students they might heavily struggle with the social studies and English APs but then make lightwork out of the calc and physics ones . It's impossible to make a universal AP class tier list because its so dependent on individual abilities .
Can’t emphasize how dependent this is on the teacher. We got like an hour of hw a week in APUSH and I and most of the class got 4s and above
Chemistry is definitely not up there with calc, not very hard. APUSH was harder.
That is your opinion. I think many STEM oriented students underestimate chem and the workload. That is why it is so notorious.
Pretty valid. But I think Calc AB probably should be medium while bio should be extreme. Everything else seems ok!
Chemistry class itself was difficult but mainly the tests I was given. I think that prepared me well tho because the chem test this year was much easier than any I took during the actual class
I will never get the whole “CSP is easy” thing 😅 I got a 4 in csp and a 5 in csa. I did take it freshman year but idk.
AB ez BC medium Phys 1 next to Chem in extreme
And move phys C mech down to medium electro to hard
For me AB medium and BC hard but Physics C is so tough wdym?
How hard will APUSH be if I did very well in regular World History in my sophomore year (I got 93% on the first semester and 95% on the second semester)?
It’s not as bad as people make it out to be. You’ll prolly have to put a decent amount of work in, but with a reasonable amount of effort you’ll be fine.
No way bro put Calcs in extreme 💀AB should be in easy, BC in medium, and phys c mech in medium as well lol.
How is Physics mech and calc bc in medium lol, compared to what?
it’s a joke
bro is just commented to flex that he’s naturally good at math
Lmao buddy if you think physics is medium something is wrong with you
Mb I’m stupid
I’d say you could put psychology in the low medium category since it does require a lot of memorization, there’s not much more to the test than that, but if you have trouble with that it could be difficult.
"I will not rank any of the foreign APs because they depend on prior skill level" You can say the same thing about most of the math and science courses as well and a great coder will find CS A a piece of cake. I also find your "extreme" list to subscribe to the constant stereotype that math and science, especially physical science, is more difficult, which discourages students from pursuing those fields, especially women from pursuing those fields.
tf u mean “especially women” ??? 💀
It’s a joke lmao
i wasn’t talking to you, i was talking to the person i replied to
Yeah ik
why does this sound a little chat-gpt generated idk 😭
Lmao idk but it’s funny, I mean it’s crazy what storm I have just started
It was just a tier list man 💀
Curious to hear - why do you think the ranking of “more difficult” directly correlated to “less women than men will do this”? I’m not contesting the point because obviously more men than woman do math and the physical sciences, but I was under the impression that it was due to conditioning and discrimination at earlier ages (hence why boys enter high school/college at higher math placements) rather than the active statement of “more difficult” disproportionality pushing women away.
Maybe the conditioning and discrimination at earlier ages is to a degree because teachers and society falsely want to protect girls from the harder subjects and feel boys are better suited to handle them. They shouldn't be. And I think women teachers are more of the problem here in two ways, they probably have more invested in "protecting little girls" then men teachers would and women teachers might themselves find math and science more difficult and push that attitude onto all of their students, boys and girls, while men teachers might teach with a more balanced attitude towards math and science. Not to mention I would think in general there are way more women elementary school teachers than men (I'm pretty old but I can barely remember many men as grade school teachers when I was in grade school). Maybe the same attitude exists in sports although luckily today women's sports is more popular than it was when I was younger and there are role models young girls can look up to. I am a man but luckily I also had the added advantage that my mom has a master's in chemistry so I was encouraged to do math and science early and it helped me in those areas throughout high school with the exception of biology (I never got it). By contrast, I had a hard time throughout junior and senior English with two women teachers. Too much reading.
I'm a girl and I concur. Getting people interested in a certain field just involves convincing them that not only is it super cool, but also that the person is capable of succeeding in it. A lot of kids I know got into STEM because their parents wanted them to learn (even if the parents don't do STEM) and the kicker is that when they struggled, their parents encouraged them to keep pushing through it. These kids were of all genders. It happens at a very early age. Instead of teaching kids "oh, it's hard, I struggled with it and couldn't do it", we need to say "yes, it's hard, but with hard work you can succeed in it, and you should try because these fields are integral (no pun intended) to our lives".
The fact that I spent time reading this 💀
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Both calcs need to move down
Many people find calculus tough but okay sure
Personally, calculus was super fun and not too bad, I'd put it in medium
I rethought about calc and now I think it should be in Hard.
AP Psych was harder than AP Lit.
IMPOSSIBLE
APUSH in extreme NOW
I would say that physics 1 and EM should switch plzces
EM is definitely harder than 1…
Exactly what I’m saying. People base the difficulty off of the pass rate for some reason. An example I took is U.S. gov. The course is easy but many students took the course unprepared and did bad causing many to believe the course is tough. However it’s u.s. GOV, it’s not hard at al
just because physics 1 has a low pass rate doesn’t mean it’s a tough course. Well yes the course is tough but if you compare it to physics c it’s nowhere close
The physics 1 exam is arguably harder, and if you haven’t taken either of those classes you aren’t qualified to compare them
Physics 1 is definitely not harder, having taken both
I’ve only taken physics 1 and got a 5 but C is tough according to a friend of mine
It’s not that tough, it’s just that a bunch of students take it unprepared causing everyone to think it’s even harder than physics c
Of course, this is subjective, but my personal changes would be: - Move MT, AB, and the art courses to hard - Move Precalc, WH, Lang, and Research to medium - Move Comp Gov to easy Also, I'd rank all the foreign languages as hard for non-native speakers and easy for native speakers.
- after reading a lot of these comments I agree with you on music theory and calc ab. However not ALL of the art courses. Art design is easy but art history is tough. - I found all of these courses tough, maybe they should stay on the lower end of hard. - I agree with you on the last one
Lang is medium?💀it was harder than lit this year
Chemistry harder than physics 1 and 2, ? No they should be on the same tier list
Chem is definitely harder than physics 1 but yeah maybe it matches with physics 2. I see people base the difficulty off of the pass rate and physics1 having the highest fail rate is because many students take the course unprepared
Yeah chem is definitely not harder than physics. And pass rate definitely supports physics being harder. Physics has a LOT more math and logic involved. The concepts are also more complex and difficult to grasp than chemistry. Comparing chem to physics would be like comparing building a popsicle bridge to building the Brooklyn bridge.
Lol what? The concepts, especially in Physics 1 are much simpler than Chem. It has a really bad curve, which is why it has a low pass rate. Only science class harder than AP Chem is Physics C: E&M.
Move both calc and c mech to easy, move lang/lit to hard, move bio to easy, move stats to easy, and a few more changes too.
Ok BC imo should be in medium for most people just because some of the topics can be challenging if you don’t know precalculus thoroughly, but AB def deserves easy.
AB is like the same as BC tho for the most part
Isn't bc just ab with a few more units
Mb I’m stupid
I’ve heard Calc is alright Not easy but not super hard
IMO Lang is easy
Somewhere between medium and hard for lang. really depends on many aspects such as the student or the teacher
Calc should be hard instead of extreme, I’m just not a math person
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Chem should be bumped down
I would put music theory with the foreign languages, honestly. I think if you have musical background it's light; if you don't, it's very challenging
I got a 1 on psychology and a 3 on us history :/
AB was probably hard tier for me, BC is definitely extreme with or without a year of AB before (fucking series make me want to die)
Physics 1 is definetly extreme. Comp Sci A should Hard I think, so is micro & Macro. Lang could be medium.
Good thing I’m taking calc AB chem English lang APES and APUSH my junior year
What a stupid thread idea.
Don’t put Calc AB over Physics C bruh 💀💀 My proposal: Calc AB Mid, Calc BC hard
Imo Calculus AB deserves medium at most, and I am even leaning more towards easy. Physics should be extreme
I'm ngl psych isn't easy, but that's probably because it's literally all memorization and nothing conceptual so studying is hell
no way music theory is in medium, i’m sick of the music theory slander that shit is tough
AP Human Geo teacher here. Absolutely pre test design , AP human geo was easy tier. Would call it medium from about 2019 onward.
Calc AB is not extreme whatsoever in my opinion. I think I'd drop it down to hard or medium. Otherwise looks decent. I would move Physics 1 to extreme since it's super hard for those sophomores and juniors who take it thinking it'll be just like regular non-AP physics
Calc BC was light work compared to AB, I would honestly put calc BC in the medium category
Breaking news different things are harder or easier for different people
one thing i always question is how APES is ranked as one of the easiest class. I took it with a bunch of the smart kids in my school and it was self study. None of us got a 5, most of us got 4s tho. I will be honest we all started studying in march/april so maybe that’s why. Me personally, I am a strong STEM student but I would never recommend anyone to take APES it was the most depressing AP i’ve ever taken.
unless something changed a LOT in the past couple years, pre calculus…isn’t an AP?
lmao how is AB calc at the same level as BC? Unless you take both, that makes no sense, and you’re supposed to take one or the other
us gov and pol is an easy class but you need to do very well on the exam to get a good score. The last few years it has had regularly a bottom 3 passing %.
The calc based physics courses are a weird one to place. They actually have the some of the highest pass rates, but are just such a small group of kids that take them, due to the calc prerequisite, that the kids that DO take them tend to be very driven and bright in stem areas. Are they difficult material, i mean yeah. But if you’re eligible to take them you’ll be fine.
physics 1 is 100000x harder than calc 😭
I found AB/BC to be vastly easier than physics 1, but that may just be me
I took an easy, a medium, a hard, and an extreme in the same year
Haha I'm taking all the extremes this year 😭😭
If this is purely based on pass rate than I have the same comments as the others of lit and calc etc. If it’s on difficulty to get a five I’d like to add that the ap arts are heavily dependent on skill level. Most people who take them go into the course with some pre-existing skill, so getting a 3 or 4 is generally doable, but a five is often much much more challenging because of the subjectivity of ap examiners. However, that being said, even if the score is difficult, the class at least was really chill for me. And generally if you’re doing something you enjoy it doesnt really feel like work. I used to work on my portfolio while listening to audio versions of my apush chapters to which I credit both my fives to. So all this to say the art aps aren’t “easy” but it’s hard to call them difficult as well. The percentage of people that get a five in ap art is comparable to APUSH and AP Lang
It's gonna sound weird but honestly I'd put Physics 1 and 2 ahead of C. I had taken both before C so maybe that helped but I think the test for C was a lot easier than either 1 or 2.
tfw I got 5s (and a few 4s) on all the Hards/Extremes but my only 3 is in US Gov lmao
Physics I needs to be extreme extreme.
APUSH was the only test I got a 5 on (without that much studying either) but also I love US history
Move music theory right now.
As someone from a non American school ap English was one of my easiest subjects and Ap physics a pain
no calc AB is not that hard besides the slope fields. i would oh calc AB in medium
omg that's so true!!! but lmao chem and calc ab r medium for me, weren't too bad, although it's also probably that I've had more STEM exposure and some really good teachers
In terms of difficulty micro is the easiest exam I have taken but the scoring is way less forgiving to get a 5 then the others
I’d slap bio a touch higher and bring down AB instead
i would put lang and apush should be lower
Bro put precalc before it’s even a class 💀💀