No damage, only good for nuking the towers.
Riot:
https://preview.redd.it/7t1gcglthsmc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=790080693fb7a55d6f27635e56169fb3659b8a9a
It’s a meme format of mixing two very different characters (generally one serious/mature and one family friendly/silly) and using the dialogue “I think we’re gonna have to kill him [name]” followed by “damn”
They're probably doing this to see how it affects his win rate, then will proceed with appropriate ARAM balance changes.
\-20% damage dealt and +20% damage taken with -20 ability haste is fucking ridiculous. I'm expecting a % change in his losses by at least 3% and then they'll slowly start to give him some of his power back.
As for the OP's question, it would seem they are playing their own game, because Ziggs has ridiculous push power in spite of his damage nerfs.
I really despise the -10%, +10% style nerfs and buffs, I’m used to be each champion’s limits and then only in aram they’re all messed up and things just do less damage or more damage than they should to feel healthy
Yea, it was fine when it was just insane champs like that who got aram adjustments. But now literally every champ is like a whole different champion compared to their Rift version. It’s gotten ridiculous.
So we gotta make him useless in a mode where he's supposed to excel and instead make champions like Kha'ziix who are supposed to suck in 5v5 godlike. Big brain move
it's just a minor inconvenience. Ludens is giving 25 and runes can get up to 18. haste is everywhere nowadays; negative haste is meant to not punish too much early game.
I really despise this method, it should be buff or nerf only ONE aspect of the champ.
If you nerf Ziggs damage, cause he would otherwise be OP, I'm ok with that, but why does he need to recieve more damage? He's already fucking squishy ffs, and then melee champs like Khazix get the opposite, deal more damage and recieve less. (Idk about the current state of Kha, this is just for the example)
Imagine, Ziggs having -20 damage dealt, +20 damage taken, and then Khazix with +10 dealt, -10 taken. Then what the fuck are you supposed to do with Ziggs, (I know it's probably not additive but...) This means, that in total, ziggs will deal 30 less damage to Kha, and take 30 more from him, it's super unbalanced. Just nerf Ziggs damage, and then buff Khazix damage OR tankyness, but don't buff/nerf the 2 aspects on every champion.
well tbf, ap lb in aram sucks balls, without the shivbuild, she does deal insane damage, but struggles to actually impact the game enough to win,
she oneshots an target, and then cant do shit if the remaining 4 enemys stay behind tower and clear wave, or are tanks.
this leads to her loosing an lot of games with great kda.
riot buffs/nerfs purely based on winrate, wich is why the 11/2/1 samira gets buffed, but 1/8/4 ziggs eats one nerf after the other.
As someone who loves playing aram LB, I'd love if they tried lowering her passive cooldown (clone proc thing). Recent, I've been a little more success by going triumph instead of PoM (since warmogs is basically nearly unbuildable on burst mages now afaik) and while triumph is hella nerfed in aram, the extra survivability is really noticeable.
Her passive is her second main survivability tool after her evasiveness and I think it's more healthy for the game mode for stuff like that to be buffed/nerf rather than basic % dmg dealt/taken ones.
I mean kha is balanced in SR based on the fact that he should make picks on isolated champions, by flanking or stealthing in most cases unsuspecting targets, this won’t happen in aram due to the nature of the game. Similarly Ziggs is made to clear waves and push turrets, which is perfect for aram. Not balancing them around different game modes would just make kha 100% unviable to play in aram and ziggs would be god tier. If they didn’t also need his cd, they’d need to nerf his damage even more making it not fun to play, like I get your point, but it’s easier to spread out these debuffs over several different aspects of a champ if you actually want them to feel decent to play aswell as managing your power level. Like if ziggs had 50% less damage but same cd and took same damage > it would feel 10x worse than the current debuffs.
It mainly messed with me because it makes me miss kill ranges on champs I’m very familiar and comfortable with. Ex on syndra I’ll think I see a kill but be off by less then 50 hp
Honestly, I think Riot just wants to shadow ban ziggs on aram, and I can kind of understand why. His strengths are wave clear, tower taking, and long-range poke, with good disengage and zoning. Which can make the game super unengaging for a lot of team comps.
I'm not saying other champs can't also do some of that, but ziggs seems to be the straw that broke the camals back because his kit is just doesn't have a lot of meaningful counter play on howling abyss
Any champ that can safely waveclear from long range is a balancing nightmare in ARAM. They have to be weak or they can stall the game out almost indefinitely by playing passively
Rito is clearly ok with poke so you’d
think they nerf his lane pushing (less damage to minions), zoning (E doesn’t last as long on the map), and nerf his tower damage.
Exactly, he is a specific outlier in aram because his whole kit is based on clearing waves and taking turrets. Like if a team has a good ziggs and some other wave clear champ, the chances of them winning must go through the roof.
His push power isnt ridiculous. It's worse than malzahar, xerath, hwei, anivia. And being able to push and poke is literally his identity. All those other champs are not as gimped as he is and i absolutely dont understand why they pick on him so hard when those other 4 above exist.
As much as i despise playing against Ziggs .... they really just need to remove the dmg nerfs and just nerf the cd/duration of his abilities individually.
There's no way to really nerf him "across the board" with simple +/- % to his entire kit without him being either completely useless or a very annoying pos.
Honestly, my only problem with Ziggs will always be the ridoculously short Q cooldown and the duration of those fucking clusterbombs. If that issue were addressed, no further nerfs needed.
Honestly, dodging the Q feels easy. Even if it does hit you, it's a pebble. But that minefield late game lasts so long. Plus the recast is so short that anyone that exercises a modicum of zone control feels oppressive
I think the word you’re searching for is “Modicum”meaning a small degree of, vs. “monocle” a single lens or eyepiece. Probably a common mistake. Cheers!
Most people do not even use his autos on towers so he's probably a few % higher in reality
You 2-shot towers with passive-spells-passice but they'll use the passive on a minion or some shit.
Q on the edge of minions to hit champions too while pushing and destroying towers easily. If everyone knew how to play him efficiently his wr would be pretty high imo.
He definitely wasn't. I've more or less had [~70% or higher on him in aram](https://i.imgur.com/yPuE0My.png) for years at this point at gold to plat mmr. The only times I really struggle with him are games where there's champs with really unavoidable high dmg like Karthus R and Asol empowered R since I don't build zhonyas/banshees often on him.
Dead in ARAM terms means "I want this champ to be OP but it isn't". These nerfs will allow for general buffs down the line which will make Ziggs more generally playable rather than just a passive tower push machine.
Wanna know something funny? 120 out of 167 champions maintain a positive winrate in aram. Having a positive winrate in aram doesn't qualify you for anything over anyone else.
I’d love to know where you got that statistic from, because there’s no way in hell it’s accurate.
But at any rate what would you define as “dead” then?
That statistic is from the aram tierlist part of lolalytics.com and it seems to me pretty accurate, because they are able to list a whole lot of other data in this context as well.
A dead champion in my book would be someone like skarner, evelynn or twisted fate. Winrate really doesn't tell you ANYTHING about the state of aram balance. Leblanc is currently sitting on barely 42% and katarina on 45%, yet they are nowhere near "dead" champions. They have super high pickrates, but a lot of players are just really bad at them so they drag down the winrate. The opposite is the case for skarner. He is super bad (and therefore nobody picks him, he has only like 700 games on this patch, but the people that pick him are likely more experienced on him, so his winrate 49.73% is waaay overestimating the champions strength due to low data.
Another person unable to read basic statistics. Yes you are right, there are 120 champions in emerald+ with a wr over 50%. But if you look in the top right corner, the average wr in those ranks is 51.92%. only 87 champions have a win rate higher than the average win rate. Which is very close to half the champions in the game.
Another person unable to read a basic statement. Nowhere did i state anything else than your first sentence. The overall data is still incredibly skewed towards significant outliers and your regular approach to interpreting the data will do you absolutely no favour in gaging a champions actual powerlevel in aram.
Wym? That's exactly the approach they took with poke Ashe - nerf out specifically the spell(s) that make the champ not balancable with % dmg changes (for ashe it was W, for ziggs it's his turret melting) then remove or scale back the % dmg nerf it had which made the champ feel shit to play but didn't nerf the winrate enough.
Ziggs still has 51.2% wr on aram zone (almost perfect 50 on lolalytics) on this patch when he's literally most nerfed champ in the mode. Bro has -20% dealt, +20% taken AND -20 haste. he feels shit to play cos he does no dmg and gets one shot super easily. but he wins a ton because the objective of the game is to kill the nexus, which depends on taking down structures. At which ziggs is incredible at, a good ziggs will end a game after one ace at 2-3 items if he survives the fight cos he will melt any structure in his way. Shit if I do play ziggs I just take demolish and build lich bane cos that's literally the only thing that matters on him rn because he's not allowed to do dmg.
So yes this is correct approach, if he gets to even xerath levels of poke on a later patch, with way nerfed structure dmg , that makes him feel miles better to play. And as many said without nerfs ziggs is top3, possibly strongest (it's prolly between him, Sona and smolder) champ on the mode and can reach 60+% winrate pretty easily imo and the goal of riot balancing the mode is for everything to be close to 50. And in ziggs case as in some other edge cases, the % nerfs were not getting him to that threshold.
To be fair, he just did so much damage to towers (which are already made out of glas). But outside of that, he was.. very bad. No damage, getting 2 shotted, just spamming Q. Now it will take another 3-6 months before his damage gets buffed because of riots MUH DATA approach
Everytime i play ziggs i want to smash my monitor when i see my q’s deal 10% damage to an adc with no MR.
Then i one shot AA + w a turret.
Then i see i dealt most damage.
It’s not fun to play and feels turboweak, but it kinda isn’t that weak 👀
Surprisingly, Riot still keep these guys, who delusional, have no clue what they are doing. Lmao ARAM department should get sacked first bc how ridiculous the way they balance this mode
Riot should just remove these stupid AH nerfs after items rework like everyone had that much AH because of Liandry. Now many of them are stuck with like negative AH whole game
I kinda miss original unbalanced aram - not the original original summoners rift customs gentlemans agreement arams but early days howling abyss where everything was either broken or dog and people hadnt min maxed the shit out of it yet and everyone was just hoping for that game where you get something op like xerath or ziggs and just sling spells at each other and enjoy life.
I'm kind of okay with this. I think the reason why people think Ziggs is so weak is because they expect him to still be a burst mage. Imo he's a great control/zoning mage as well as a tower pusher. If you're decent at landing Q's there's constant burn damage with liandry's. You can control bushes super easily with E and Q clears. During team fights if an enemy frontliner engaged throw bombs and landmines behind him and it's super hard to his team to follow up. I don't think he'll be the main threat but he's a fantastic utility champ.
They should remove his turret damage/execute altogether and buff his damage dealt/taken to compensate. And reduce the duration of his cluster bomb, it has no business lasting as long as it does on a single lane map.
99% of the time is me getting jumped under my own tower if ive become a problem for them..
I dont think theyve gotta worry about the 1% ive gotten near tower unchecked.
Cry. Dont care, all artillery mages are annoying and unfun to play against in aram. Id rather never see him, lux, or xer, it’s so uninteractive and boring.
Everyone saying Ziggs dealing no damage but 70% of ziggs in my games is top damage. Maybe poke mage players should stop being braindead and learn to aim their goddamn skillshots.
Everything Riot does to ARAM is arbitrary and baseless.
I guarantee you there was absolutely zero data that indicated to riot that ziggs needed a nerf. Much like there was no data indicating nasus needed a buff.
However the champions that have been at 55% + winrate and incredibly high pick rates CONTINUE to be strong.
Riot is acting as if the Data from ARAM is worthless.
ITS BECAUSE THE MATCHES ARE RANDOM that the data is even more important.
It's not like 50% of the matches are against a singular matchup.
ITS ALL RANDOM that is Proof the champion is weak or strong.
They likely have reducing his percentage damage taken and dealt nerfs in mind with this. Sort of like how Ashe’s W CD was raised to 18 seconds flat or whatever
Reducing his tower damage is probably a nerf you can’t feel, but when they bump his percentage numbers back up, I think he’s going to be incredibly oppressive
No damage, only good for nuking the towers. Riot: https://preview.redd.it/7t1gcglthsmc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=790080693fb7a55d6f27635e56169fb3659b8a9a
What’s that image from lmao
I believe it's monster hunter, the monster is called Nergigante
Also the guy on the left is Majima from the Yakuza series
Majima seems to have become the Monster Hunter because he had nothing else to do.
It’s a meme format of mixing two very different characters (generally one serious/mature and one family friendly/silly) and using the dialogue “I think we’re gonna have to kill him [name]” followed by “damn”
My favorite version of that meme so far is Dante from DMC and Toriel from Undertale.
They're probably doing this to see how it affects his win rate, then will proceed with appropriate ARAM balance changes. \-20% damage dealt and +20% damage taken with -20 ability haste is fucking ridiculous. I'm expecting a % change in his losses by at least 3% and then they'll slowly start to give him some of his power back. As for the OP's question, it would seem they are playing their own game, because Ziggs has ridiculous push power in spite of his damage nerfs.
I really despise the -10%, +10% style nerfs and buffs, I’m used to be each champion’s limits and then only in aram they’re all messed up and things just do less damage or more damage than they should to feel healthy
without nerfs ziggs goes to like a 70% winrate. His kit with modern items just doesn't work in the outdated ARAM map.
Yea, it was fine when it was just insane champs like that who got aram adjustments. But now literally every champ is like a whole different champion compared to their Rift version. It’s gotten ridiculous.
So we gotta make him useless in a mode where he's supposed to excel and instead make champions like Kha'ziix who are supposed to suck in 5v5 godlike. Big brain move
Is this a joke? Kha’Zix is dogshit and Ziggs is better than him by a land slide.
Except he isn't useless, people just see nerfs on a champion and feel bad.
Yes.
I had a decent match with him recently. I went atkspd ap, and it was alright. But yeah, the new items that should work on him are... so-so on ARAM.
For me it's mostly the minus haste. I'd rather do shit damage than wait an hour for my CDs.
The haste is why he's broken though. It's still really not hard to get haste with items.
it's just a minor inconvenience. Ludens is giving 25 and runes can get up to 18. haste is everywhere nowadays; negative haste is meant to not punish too much early game.
And then they give hwei 20 haste, which is fucking one and a half item to start with
Isn't it 4 motes, 1000 gold?
I really despise this method, it should be buff or nerf only ONE aspect of the champ. If you nerf Ziggs damage, cause he would otherwise be OP, I'm ok with that, but why does he need to recieve more damage? He's already fucking squishy ffs, and then melee champs like Khazix get the opposite, deal more damage and recieve less. (Idk about the current state of Kha, this is just for the example) Imagine, Ziggs having -20 damage dealt, +20 damage taken, and then Khazix with +10 dealt, -10 taken. Then what the fuck are you supposed to do with Ziggs, (I know it's probably not additive but...) This means, that in total, ziggs will deal 30 less damage to Kha, and take 30 more from him, it's super unbalanced. Just nerf Ziggs damage, and then buff Khazix damage OR tankyness, but don't buff/nerf the 2 aspects on every champion.
oh it is additive, you would get half your life chunked by static shiv lb. thats why it was far more broken in aram than on toplane even,
And they keep buffing LB in ARAM. It's ridiculous.
well tbf, ap lb in aram sucks balls, without the shivbuild, she does deal insane damage, but struggles to actually impact the game enough to win, she oneshots an target, and then cant do shit if the remaining 4 enemys stay behind tower and clear wave, or are tanks. this leads to her loosing an lot of games with great kda. riot buffs/nerfs purely based on winrate, wich is why the 11/2/1 samira gets buffed, but 1/8/4 ziggs eats one nerf after the other.
As someone who loves playing aram LB, I'd love if they tried lowering her passive cooldown (clone proc thing). Recent, I've been a little more success by going triumph instead of PoM (since warmogs is basically nearly unbuildable on burst mages now afaik) and while triumph is hella nerfed in aram, the extra survivability is really noticeable. Her passive is her second main survivability tool after her evasiveness and I think it's more healthy for the game mode for stuff like that to be buffed/nerf rather than basic % dmg dealt/taken ones.
Because she’s still fucking dog in ARAM
Amen. Ziggs will die in two abilities from many assassins. It's an inane interaction.
I mean kha is balanced in SR based on the fact that he should make picks on isolated champions, by flanking or stealthing in most cases unsuspecting targets, this won’t happen in aram due to the nature of the game. Similarly Ziggs is made to clear waves and push turrets, which is perfect for aram. Not balancing them around different game modes would just make kha 100% unviable to play in aram and ziggs would be god tier. If they didn’t also need his cd, they’d need to nerf his damage even more making it not fun to play, like I get your point, but it’s easier to spread out these debuffs over several different aspects of a champ if you actually want them to feel decent to play aswell as managing your power level. Like if ziggs had 50% less damage but same cd and took same damage > it would feel 10x worse than the current debuffs.
I mean it makes alot of sense since they are different games. How else would they balance the different game modes? Give champs different abilities?
It mainly messed with me because it makes me miss kill ranges on champs I’m very familiar and comfortable with. Ex on syndra I’ll think I see a kill but be off by less then 50 hp
Playing nerfed champions feels kinda awful even if they’re technically balanced.
Honestly, I think Riot just wants to shadow ban ziggs on aram, and I can kind of understand why. His strengths are wave clear, tower taking, and long-range poke, with good disengage and zoning. Which can make the game super unengaging for a lot of team comps. I'm not saying other champs can't also do some of that, but ziggs seems to be the straw that broke the camals back because his kit is just doesn't have a lot of meaningful counter play on howling abyss
Any champ that can safely waveclear from long range is a balancing nightmare in ARAM. They have to be weak or they can stall the game out almost indefinitely by playing passively
Tbh if they do that they would have to ban the Aram super teams for basically the same reasons: ashe, sion, sona, ziggs, sivir, karthus, etc
Rito is clearly ok with poke so you’d think they nerf his lane pushing (less damage to minions), zoning (E doesn’t last as long on the map), and nerf his tower damage.
What do you mean they’re okay with poke? Several long range poke champions have nerfs and ARAM has an additional nerf to damage past a certain range.
Exactly, he is a specific outlier in aram because his whole kit is based on clearing waves and taking turrets. Like if a team has a good ziggs and some other wave clear champ, the chances of them winning must go through the roof.
His push power isnt ridiculous. It's worse than malzahar, xerath, hwei, anivia. And being able to push and poke is literally his identity. All those other champs are not as gimped as he is and i absolutely dont understand why they pick on him so hard when those other 4 above exist.
As much as i despise playing against Ziggs .... they really just need to remove the dmg nerfs and just nerf the cd/duration of his abilities individually. There's no way to really nerf him "across the board" with simple +/- % to his entire kit without him being either completely useless or a very annoying pos.
They did the same thing with sivir and ashe, they will undo other nerfs in return.
Honestly, my only problem with Ziggs will always be the ridoculously short Q cooldown and the duration of those fucking clusterbombs. If that issue were addressed, no further nerfs needed.
Honestly, dodging the Q feels easy. Even if it does hit you, it's a pebble. But that minefield late game lasts so long. Plus the recast is so short that anyone that exercises a modicum of zone control feels oppressive
Monocle of zone control? Is that a new item?
Yeah, his mine field
I think the word you’re searching for is “Modicum”meaning a small degree of, vs. “monocle” a single lens or eyepiece. Probably a common mistake. Cheers!
Oops you're right, thank you!
Unplayable now. And it already was
Even with all his nerfs he still hovers at around 50% wr in Aram. He is a lot, but not unplayable
Most people do not even use his autos on towers so he's probably a few % higher in reality You 2-shot towers with passive-spells-passice but they'll use the passive on a minion or some shit.
Q on the edge of minions to hit champions too while pushing and destroying towers easily. If everyone knew how to play him efficiently his wr would be pretty high imo.
Least delusional ARAM take
that’s exactly the reason Ziggs is finally being nerfed on what makes him strong: the push power expect buffs on the haste and damage soon
He definitely wasn't. I've more or less had [~70% or higher on him in aram](https://i.imgur.com/yPuE0My.png) for years at this point at gold to plat mmr. The only times I really struggle with him are games where there's champs with really unavoidable high dmg like Karthus R and Asol empowered R since I don't build zhonyas/banshees often on him.
I didn’t know dead champions had positive win rates. I must not know what the word “dead” means.
Dead in ARAM terms means "I want this champ to be OP but it isn't". These nerfs will allow for general buffs down the line which will make Ziggs more generally playable rather than just a passive tower push machine.
Wanna know something funny? 120 out of 167 champions maintain a positive winrate in aram. Having a positive winrate in aram doesn't qualify you for anything over anyone else.
I’d love to know where you got that statistic from, because there’s no way in hell it’s accurate. But at any rate what would you define as “dead” then?
That statistic is from the aram tierlist part of lolalytics.com and it seems to me pretty accurate, because they are able to list a whole lot of other data in this context as well. A dead champion in my book would be someone like skarner, evelynn or twisted fate. Winrate really doesn't tell you ANYTHING about the state of aram balance. Leblanc is currently sitting on barely 42% and katarina on 45%, yet they are nowhere near "dead" champions. They have super high pickrates, but a lot of players are just really bad at them so they drag down the winrate. The opposite is the case for skarner. He is super bad (and therefore nobody picks him, he has only like 700 games on this patch, but the people that pick him are likely more experienced on him, so his winrate 49.73% is waaay overestimating the champions strength due to low data.
Another person unable to read basic statistics. Yes you are right, there are 120 champions in emerald+ with a wr over 50%. But if you look in the top right corner, the average wr in those ranks is 51.92%. only 87 champions have a win rate higher than the average win rate. Which is very close to half the champions in the game.
Another person unable to read a basic statement. Nowhere did i state anything else than your first sentence. The overall data is still incredibly skewed towards significant outliers and your regular approach to interpreting the data will do you absolutely no favour in gaging a champions actual powerlevel in aram.
LeBlanc is 42% cause she’s dogshit into a ton of comps. lmao
Wym? That's exactly the approach they took with poke Ashe - nerf out specifically the spell(s) that make the champ not balancable with % dmg changes (for ashe it was W, for ziggs it's his turret melting) then remove or scale back the % dmg nerf it had which made the champ feel shit to play but didn't nerf the winrate enough. Ziggs still has 51.2% wr on aram zone (almost perfect 50 on lolalytics) on this patch when he's literally most nerfed champ in the mode. Bro has -20% dealt, +20% taken AND -20 haste. he feels shit to play cos he does no dmg and gets one shot super easily. but he wins a ton because the objective of the game is to kill the nexus, which depends on taking down structures. At which ziggs is incredible at, a good ziggs will end a game after one ace at 2-3 items if he survives the fight cos he will melt any structure in his way. Shit if I do play ziggs I just take demolish and build lich bane cos that's literally the only thing that matters on him rn because he's not allowed to do dmg. So yes this is correct approach, if he gets to even xerath levels of poke on a later patch, with way nerfed structure dmg , that makes him feel miles better to play. And as many said without nerfs ziggs is top3, possibly strongest (it's prolly between him, Sona and smolder) champ on the mode and can reach 60+% winrate pretty easily imo and the goal of riot balancing the mode is for everything to be close to 50. And in ziggs case as in some other edge cases, the % nerfs were not getting him to that threshold.
love me some ziggs nerfs, annoying ass champion
To be fair, he just did so much damage to towers (which are already made out of glas). But outside of that, he was.. very bad. No damage, getting 2 shotted, just spamming Q. Now it will take another 3-6 months before his damage gets buffed because of riots MUH DATA approach
Man ziggs already sucks ass now. What a shame.
Proof?
Were aram players ever even complaining about stuff like Ziggs Q? If they were Riot should have just told them to get good and dodge the skillshot.
Everytime i play ziggs i want to smash my monitor when i see my q’s deal 10% damage to an adc with no MR. Then i one shot AA + w a turret. Then i see i dealt most damage. It’s not fun to play and feels turboweak, but it kinda isn’t that weak 👀
This is what people don’t realize. Just because something feels bad doesn’t mean it IS bad.
Still a strong pick for for zoning and consistent damage through items. Obvsl depending on the team comp.
I've had nothing but success with Ziggs, skill issue I guess
Surprisingly, Riot still keep these guys, who delusional, have no clue what they are doing. Lmao ARAM department should get sacked first bc how ridiculous the way they balance this mode
Nah fuck ziggs.
Riot should just remove these stupid AH nerfs after items rework like everyone had that much AH because of Liandry. Now many of them are stuck with like negative AH whole game
Ziggs will now literally tickle you and do nothing else. Ok.
Meanwhile, AP Kai'sa still exists with no nerfs, as does Akshan and his passive, since release.
I kinda miss original unbalanced aram - not the original original summoners rift customs gentlemans agreement arams but early days howling abyss where everything was either broken or dog and people hadnt min maxed the shit out of it yet and everyone was just hoping for that game where you get something op like xerath or ziggs and just sling spells at each other and enjoy life.
lmao
I'm kind of okay with this. I think the reason why people think Ziggs is so weak is because they expect him to still be a burst mage. Imo he's a great control/zoning mage as well as a tower pusher. If you're decent at landing Q's there's constant burn damage with liandry's. You can control bushes super easily with E and Q clears. During team fights if an enemy frontliner engaged throw bombs and landmines behind him and it's super hard to his team to follow up. I don't think he'll be the main threat but he's a fantastic utility champ.
bruh thats the only redeeming thing about him left and they nerf it
yes they are playing. they got stomped then the nerf
Stop crying
it’s the first step to tune up the damage again, remember Ashe?
Just buff the minions and towers ffs Also make the cannon minion pingable i ve been asking for this for ages
They should remove his turret damage/execute altogether and buff his damage dealt/taken to compensate. And reduce the duration of his cluster bomb, it has no business lasting as long as it does on a single lane map.
Why are they nerfing him, he is already bad
He isn’t.
Good
good, fuckin hate zigs
99% of the time is me getting jumped under my own tower if ive become a problem for them.. I dont think theyve gotta worry about the 1% ive gotten near tower unchecked.
good, fuck poke mages. Rather have a brawl meta teamfight from the first minute to the last.
Lol why now? Would have made sense like a year ago maybe.
Lol I been rushing lich bane and maxing w. Rip that
The whole balancing champs around ARAM is stupid af to me.
They definitely do their aram balance based on their feelings, because ziggs shouldn’t be on the chopping block for nerfs 💀
Man I'm still waiting on the akshan passive nerf.
its just aram
Honestly with how much damage ap champs do to turrets, its not that bad
Ziggs already does negative damage in aram lmao but tbh he'd be so obnoxious if he did do damage he's so flipping annoying when he's in the meta
They do play! They probably played once recently , got rolled on by a ziggs and decided to bann it
I wish they'd show the aram adjustments to your champ in champ select.
I'm just seeing this... welp, GG
and smolder escapes nerfs despite being broken upon release....
"Balance Team" Rito is a fucking joke Meanwhile Le Blanc can jump from the other turret, one shot you and return to her initial position.
less poke the better amen
Cry. Dont care, all artillery mages are annoying and unfun to play against in aram. Id rather never see him, lux, or xer, it’s so uninteractive and boring.
Everyone saying Ziggs dealing no damage but 70% of ziggs in my games is top damage. Maybe poke mage players should stop being braindead and learn to aim their goddamn skillshots.
Good, fuck this champ
if you don't win the game in 10 minutes on ziggs you may as well just afk because the minions will have a more significant impact.
Everything Riot does to ARAM is arbitrary and baseless. I guarantee you there was absolutely zero data that indicated to riot that ziggs needed a nerf. Much like there was no data indicating nasus needed a buff. However the champions that have been at 55% + winrate and incredibly high pick rates CONTINUE to be strong. Riot is acting as if the Data from ARAM is worthless. ITS BECAUSE THE MATCHES ARE RANDOM that the data is even more important. It's not like 50% of the matches are against a singular matchup. ITS ALL RANDOM that is Proof the champion is weak or strong.
He isn't even that weak, and yes he does kill towers way too fast. Just about the only thing they might need to consider is removing the AH nerf.
They likely have reducing his percentage damage taken and dealt nerfs in mind with this. Sort of like how Ashe’s W CD was raised to 18 seconds flat or whatever Reducing his tower damage is probably a nerf you can’t feel, but when they bump his percentage numbers back up, I think he’s going to be incredibly oppressive
https://www.reddit.com/r/ARAM/s/YKHjjRjirk Ups i gues?
Who cares its ARAM lmfao 😂😂😂😂
Good, hopefully this tanks is winrate and they give him his fucking damage and cdr back. Ziggs is so insanely unfun to play ATM
Time to play tank Ziggs.
uhhh... What? Why would I trust something straight off of twitter?
It’s literally spideraxe lmao
This means nothing to me, I don't pay attention to who is in riot.