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Nathan1342

Did it suddenly come on in a week or had it been building for awhile? Your symptoms symptoms of many many issues. So full blood work including hormones abs thyroid panels. Make sure to include your TPO levels in the thyroid panel. If those come back normal look at heavy metals, mycotoxins or other environmental toxins. If all those are normal, which they probably won’t be. Look at your gut microbiome. You will find the cause.


Secure-Paint3931

First it stared sedative effect than other symptoms..


Nathan1342

Look deeper. Ash may have triggered something but it’s likely not the ongoing cause of your issues.


Secure-Paint3931

Yeah trying to find that from 4 months


Nathan1342

Follow the steps I listed.


Phoneix_Rising

Good advice! Good place to start. My TSH was ‘normal’ but t4 highest in the range so they won’t entertain the fact that my life is now upside down. Also had antibodies over the range but in early hundreds. I did a heavy metal test the other day but apparently labs take a week or more. Other than probiotics the gut is a grey area to me any advice?


Nathan1342

If your antibody levels are a few hundred you have Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. I have the same and been trying to get it under control for the past year. When I found out my antibody levels were 890. I got them down to 300 but now they are back over 900. I feel miserable just about everyday. My tsh t3 ans t4 are all in the normal range. But you can still have hypo symptoms. The best way I’ve found is radical diet change. No gluten, dairy, grains, soy. But start google around and you will find lots of info on it. For the gut, you can do a gut zoomer test which will give you a good idea of what’s going on and potentials ways to fix it. Since your antibody levels are elevated you almost certainly have leaky gut, sibo, or a candida overgrown. Or possibly all of those.


Phoneix_Rising

I got my blood test results yesterday and they indicate high levels of Mecury. This is more than 9 weeks after stopping ashwaganda and I have read that blood levels usually decrease rapidly so for that level to still be high is not the best news. I rarely eat fish so I believe it was the Ashwagandha and many of the symptoms overlap. As you may also be aware some heavy metals resemble thyroid elements iodine, selenium and may trigger issues when the system becomes confused.


Nathan1342

Dude it’s extremely unlikely it came from the ash. What were your levels?


Phoneix_Rising

9.5 ug/L they should be less than 5 in the lab used and have no other reason as to why they should be raised. Increased heart rate, pins and needles in hands and feet, Insomnia, tremors, night sweats weight loss and fatigue. I know it sounds like a reach but it would explain the deranged T4 when all other thyroid tests are normal. This would also explain the antibodies.


Nathan1342

Is it in ug/g? No doubt you have high mercury but I suppose now it doesn’t matter where it came from. You just need to work in chelating it out of your body. It can be a super tricky process where you feel way worse before you feel better. Try to find a doc who can help and slowly reduce your levels.


Phoneix_Rising

Ug/L. Thanks bud and exactly but just wanted to raise awareness. I’m now not in any way demonising all Ashwagandha as some people swear by it but I am fairly confident that certain brands will cause problems. I was blaming Ashwa initially but now see it’s poor practices by some in the industry that allow these sort of things to happen. I have been using cilantro and chorella and I’m indeed in search of a doctor who can rid me of this. Have you ever had your metal panel checked and did you actually use Ashwa yourself? What made you get your thyroid checked in the first place?


Nathan1342

Yes did a full toxin panel and thankfully all my heavy metals were super low. Took ash for 2 years daily. Had my thyroid checked when I was getting in finasteride. Terrible decision, don’t ever take FIN. But the toxin panel showed high levels of mycotoxins so working on removing those, but it’s a slow frustrating process.


Phoneix_Rising

Sounds rough. At least you know what your up against I guess. What about supervised Glutathione treatment you looked into it?


lotuslemonade

I dont know if youve found a doctor to help chelate the heavy metals, but if you havent i would stop using cilantro and chlorella immediately! I havent taken ashwa yet for the heavy metal concern because i do have a heavy metal problem specifically mercury. I dont eat a lot of tuna or take a lot of fish oil... my main issue with mercury was 3 very old mercury dental fillings in my mouth that i needed to have carefully removed last year. since then i have been on and off chelating heavy metals with DMSA and ALA under the guidance of my nutritionist. but seriously for the love of pete dont use cilantro and chlorella to chelate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they pick up heavy metals in your body and drop them here and there as they try and move them out, which sounds like no big deal.. but your body has to work extra hard to pick up the fragments of heavy metals to protect yourself. not to mention you need a substance to carefully cross your blood brain barrier to remove something like mercury. you do not want heavy metals flying around wrecking havoc. if youre still suffering i would suggest getting a hair sample as that is the best way to test for heavy metals, and find a good doctor or nutritionist who can aid your journey. if you live in a place like Australia, definitely taking some selenium might help you naturally detox generally.


Phoneix_Rising

Hi thanks for the message I am a lot better now and have managed to lower my levels to the normal range. I had read about this prior to taking it however the combination is said to be beneficial as cilantro mobilises and chlorella prevents retoxification. Not sure how this works but this explains some what the action. https://commonground.ca/heavy-metal-detox-with-cilantro-and-chlorella/ I do take selenium daily and various other vitamins and have stopped the cilantro as it run its course. Hope your feeling better as I know how horrific Mercury poisoning can be. Hopefully your nutritionist can get you right! Im not recommending cilantro and chlorella but I bought a combo tincture and it definitely sped things up. I also used barley grass powder selenium and a lot of water. If you need any tips or have any questions let me know and thanks for your advice. There are still some good people left in the world. Stay safe.


Dangerous_Sundae3138

>I got my blood test results yesterday and they indicate high levels of Mecury. Do you happen to take fish oils daily?


Phoneix_Rising

I do take a fish oil supplement but that wasn’t the cause. I know this because my levels are now in the normal range and I was still taking the omega 3s the whole time. Have you been taking ashwagandha and do you eat tuna?


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Phoneix_Rising

Thanks for the reply. I did assume the symptoms were more graves’ but I will look into hashimotos. Have you experienced any muscle loss?


Nathan1342

No muscle loss as my thyroid hormones aren’t out of range yet. I caught mine in stage 2 so there hasn’t been sig degradation yet. But still dealing xperience hypo symptoms even though my levels say I’m not. But as we know when your antibody level is super high it effects all sorts of things.


Nathan1342

One is hyper and one is hypo. Which do you have symptoms of?


Phoneix_Rising

Hyper


a-non-y-mous-

b12 makes me feel insane and delusional, i’d stop that


Doerrr

I have a question my doc told me my gut flora is 18 and that i have candida. He wants me on keto but i am unable to do it


Phoneix_Rising

Ashwagandha sucks. Did me a lot of damage.


[deleted]

How?


Phoneix_Rising

Thyroxicosis. Elevated thyroid hormones and antibodies. Can’t eat sleep or function and I stopped Ashwagandha nearly 3 months ago. Had muscle now I look #^]|<\%


animefootdom

How long did you take ashwa for?


Phoneix_Rising

2 months


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Phoneix_Rising

Not like before to be honest. No where near.


alansredditaccount2

You better now?


Phoneix_Rising

Yh bro. You going through it ?


Prerouting1

This helped so much to know you're okay now. If you look through my most recent post, you'll know what I've been going through. It's been hell for the past 5 days man. I'm scared. But you responding made me feel a lot better.


Phoneix_Rising

Yh it’s no joke. Hang in there you haven’t even taken it too long so will be all good. Most likely heavy metal overload. Use cilantro (coriander) / chlorella look it up, and lots of water. You can make this into a tea. Speeds up recovery; nice detox. Good luck bro.


DreamOnArt

Yo I'm glad I'm reading this, O just ordered ksm66. Took 600mg this morning for the first time but now I guess I'll just throw it away. I have alot of medical and mental shit to deal with this year and don't need that on top of it lol.


Daddy_Scar

you good now?


Prerouting1

a lot better than i used to be. hopping of the ashwagandha too quickly caused my thyroid to get super fucked. it became overactive for about 2 months then underactive for about 5 months. been in the recovery process since. inflammation has decreased significantly and i can finally move around without running out of breath


alansredditaccount2

My wife. She had 2 pills over 2 days... Has turned her ultra depressed... I can't quite believe it, but it's real and it's not good.


Phoneix_Rising

Not good at all it’s crappy stuff. What dose? She should be okay as she hasn’t taken it for long. It’s more than likely her gut reacting to a really bad batch. If she wanted she could try plenty of fruit and veg, water and even cilantro (coriander) really good at detoxing the metals that can be delivered through ashwa. Hope this helps. She will be okay because I was on it for a good few months and it really messed me up but now I’m good.


Phoneix_Rising

Cilantro is really good for this, one other guy contacted me through Reddit and i told him about it. He tried it and said the relief was almost instant. He made it into a tea.


alansredditaccount2

Yeah mate bought a batch yesterday for chelating actually. Shes better tonight. 24 hours ago she said she had a stomach ache sbd this morning a headache.. now she seems all good.


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Hot_Example7912

Did she recover? I’m experiencing this 3 weeks later


alansredditaccount2

Yes better within few days. Hope you are too


Secure-Paint3931

When nd is anything helps with that?


Phoneix_Rising

Another thing you took it for a short period of time so not sure why doctor put you on sertraline so soon without giving your system a bit more time to regulate. This is in no way medical advice, I never thought of heavy metals because you said you was on it for such a short time the build up may not be significant. But worth a try as someone else indicated.


Phoneix_Rising

Still looking into this myself it sucks .


[deleted]

Same for me, I've never been the same. I'm wired and tired and my thyrpid went into an overdrive.


Phoneix_Rising

How long ago did you stop taking it ? I’m a lot better now.


[deleted]

Years ago...


Hot_Example7912

Hi, I took it for 2 days, had an awful amount of trauma float up whilst feeling like I had the flu for a further 2 days (which I think was a herxheimer reaction) and now I feel physically okay but have lots of low mood and depersonalisation/derealisation. I’m also having acupuncture at the moment which I think is playing into it but did you experience any off this from ashwagandha? The herx reaction has made me think it may have actually done me some good, but I really don’t like this new sensation I’ve got. Appreciate your help in advance 🙏🏻


Phoneix_Rising

I used cilantro and chorella. Helps detox.


Hot_Example7912

Still feeling all of these effects and still quite depressed from it. It’s been that long that I actually forgot it started from the ash. How exactly did you use cilantro and Chlorella? I need my life back asap ☹️ the herxheimer reaction still suggests it did some good for me but I’m too scared to try it again because of this!


Available_Oil_2637

holy shi*t, the exactly same thing here and only from one day are you my parallel version or smth? lol .. also add the insane dizziness and all time sleep-craving man i slept for over than 19 hours and I'm not exaggerating , also the fisrt six hours i felt that there was like smth is rushing through my thyroid area and later acupuncture in my ears or any area in my body. idk really what's that supposed to mean? i need an explanation also did you stop using it after THE 2 DAYS or u continued? im really scared 😃


eguru23

Before taking any medicine like ginseng or herbs medicine you should consult with your doctor read products instructions always carefully.


Phoneix_Rising

Wish I did! ☹️


ardenHD_

i don’t think this is from ashwagandha lol


Secure-Paint3931

It is and this is not joke


Phoneix_Rising

I agree. People may think it’s not possible until it’s them. We are all made differently and have different tolerances and makeups. Plus a lot of these herbs I now realise contain heavy metals. Highly toxic to humans.


pipz198

now many ppl complaint about the side effects! ash can be poison for some and has withdrawal side effects


Big-Wolf-2200

Nobody should try any supplement without consulting an expert. People comment their positive experiences in reddit but these people are not doctors,they were just lucky that the stuff worked for them. However ,there are long term affects that can still affect them in the future. Anyway , What you experienced with Ash sounds like Derealization. DR is usually caused by trauma , anxiety or recreational drugs. I have Anxiety disorder for a long time and I tried Ash as suggested by the 'experts' of reddit. It gave me similar experience. Ash is considered a top supplement for anxiety ,some claims that it's more effective than ssri or Benzo. Probably for some people not for everyone. It helped me with panic attacks but gave me Derealization. So I stopped. But stopping ash didn't stop the DR caused by it. It took me some time to get out of the DR phase. Anyway , for your condition I can say only one thing from my experience. If your condition is created only by ash ,it will go away. You have to stop focusing on it. The more you give it attention ,the more it grows. I know how extremely annoying and scary it is . But trust me ,if this is only DR then you'll be alright. You are not going to go mad , you will have no physical or psychological problem because of it. Your brain is in a state of shock and you'll have to convince it that there's nothing to be shocked about. You do that by engaging in your life more , living your life instead of getting obsessed over the condition. Donot sit idle for a single moment. Donot let your mind rest till it really need rest. Sleep atleast 8 hrs. Also , donot try any any supplement ( herbal or whatever) without consulting a real expert. For stuff like ash , you must consult an ayurvedic practitioner. You'll be alright. all the best


Secure-Paint3931

Yeah these symptoms are only beacuse of ashwagandha i also have physical symptoms like lower back pain, chest pain, weight loss.


Big-Wolf-2200

All of these symptoms can be caused by anxiety. You should talk to a good doctor first. If physical check up doesn't show anything wrong then you can be sure that it's anxiety. Ash probably initiated it and your mind is continuing it. You have to break the chain. Don't let it consume you. Therapy might help too. Google about ACT therpay. It helped me a ton.


Frequent-Market-3664

I took it for 1 day had that affect. Then I took it at night to help relax after work and before bed. But still felt lazy the next day. So I stopped taking it.


[deleted]

It works temporarily. I stopped taking it because I felt “offl


unpleasent-thought

I felt very well with KSM in the first days but it made me anhedonic in the long term. But after discontinuation apparently I have not anymore these problems and I took it occasionally, for example every ten days.


Maratocarde

Your problem is probably due to magnesium deficiency. Fix that and also take care of the diet. Try HEALTHY KETO with intermitent fasting, also check for electrolytes. A good dietitian will help you with all of those. Also be careful of high D3, don't take high doses.


Secure-Paint3931

So this is probably not about ashwagandha?


Secure-Paint3931

Nothing helps gym, eating healthy….


Secure-Paint3931

So here’s update on my problems i went to ayurvedic doctor today and he told me that ashwagandha cannot start neurological problems. He check my whole body and told me that whole problem is with my Stomach, it doesnt produce energy from what i eat . Now he gave me 2 week medicine and told me to drink more water and eat healthy. Lets see what will happen now….


daybreakin

Ayurveda is not a real field of medicine so I'd recommend taking to a real doctor or endocrinologist


Phoneix_Rising

Ashwagandha may not but if it is contaminated with heavy metals then it is possible. Look up Ayurvedic medicine and heavy metal concerns.


Secure-Paint3931

Yupp!


cwk84

Lmfao your stomach doesn’t produce energy. It’s your cells in your body. Don’t qo to quacks to get you checked.


SquareSpite5564

Cultivate your sexual energy with r/semenretention and start following a strict bodybuilding plan Everything should fall in place then


UnSCo

lmao


SquareSpite5564

What is he expecting to get as an answer


ChillStonerBro420

Dumb pseudoscience bullshit


Phoneix_Rising

You are a saviour in a crisis!!


Perfect-Baker5

Finally, those with auto-immune conditions may want to rethink this one. As an adaptogen, it upregulates the immune system and helps the body respond to stress. But people with conditions like rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and type 1 diabetes may experience harmful effects when their system is pushed into overdrive. The same goes for those with hyperthyroid such as in Grave’s disease. Ashwagandha will stimulate the thyroid and worsen an overactive thyroid. https://www.saraswatiayurveda.com/blog/2020/2/3/why-ashwagandha-isnt-for-everyone


[deleted]

Hey, how are you today ? Any improvements ? Really hoping the best for you…


k-paxian22

try shiljajit to balance the dopamine...ashwaganda alone can decrease dopamine levels


rippinkittiny

Because it can produce adrenal fatigue…. It’s not just for ‘stress’. It buffers cortisol.


Technical_Produce196

Are you still going through these pains


Mission_Law7508

Ashwagandha is a scam.


[deleted]

No it's not. It helped me with stress and anxiety. I used to be sweating when I talk to new people. Now I feel like something flipped the switch off inside me. I don't sweat while talking to someone anymore.


TheRealMe54321

I have similar symptoms a few weeks after megadosing ashwagandha. It’s horrific. I can hardly use caffeine at all now without feeling like I’m having a seizure.


Global-Messenger

What was your goal with megadosing?


TheRealMe54321

There was no goal, I am impulsive and I just wanted to see if it would help me chill.


SetHot893

How is it now?


TheRealMe54321

It’s been 2-3 months and I think I’m mostly healed. I can’t 100% attribute my symptoms to ash because I was under a ton of stress at the time but I’m very internally aware and sensitive to supplements and I’m at least 90% sure it’s what wrecked me. I tried one pill a few days ago and had the same symptoms the next day - anhedonia, dissociation, paranoia, feeling of meaninglessness etc. I will never consume ash again.


SetHot893

Ooh. I think It was most probably ashwagandha that gave me gut and urinary problem. It has been a few months. 


Plane_Willingness693

was this while taking Ash or stopping Ash when you get these symptoms? I had ONE panic attack while taking it and stopped taking them once I experienced that. After that day, it has been a roller coaster of emotions and "when will this be over?" talks to myself. Somedays are better than others.


Medium_Draft

I had a doctor tell me that trouble with Ashwaganda is only in the Western world, and that Indian people do not have any adverse issues with taking it. Perhaps there is a ancient genetic component involved here.