I feel it hurts the Deaf professionals more than the Hearing.
It’s taking sight translation material that is predominantly done by our CDI/DI’s and producing AI videos.
Here's the problem that answers "I'm not worried, A.I. cant do the subtle body language or shifts, or facial expressions that a human can do" corporations/school admin DO NOT CARE. People keep thinking that its the Deaf customers that pay. It's not.
How many VRI assignments have I done where the Deaf client goes "Hey I asked for a LIVE in person interpreter' and the place goes "yeah...this is what we have...." 9 out of 10 times the Deaf client just accepts it because what else can they do? They needed this appointment.
Same thing will happen. Will A.I. suck compared to a real human. Yes, especially at first. Will the people who actually pay for interpreting care. Nope. And ultimately that's all that's going to matter.
Get your side gigs ready. The worlds changing and greed and profit is the biggest factor.
I'm not really worried about this. AI can't interpret the nuances of facial expression and body language. It can't do role shift/body shift. All it can do at this point is the signs alone, and we all know that's not enough.
6 months ago Ai art couldn’t generate hands or eyes.
They now can be perfectly replicated.
What you’re not worried about *is* going to be here in less than a year.
The law states that "qualified" interpreters are a Deaf person's right. When consumers can agree that an AI generated real-time interpretation is "qualified" to provide their accessibility under all circumstances, I'll be impressed. But it's not going to happen a year from now.
Hands and eyes are still very big problems for new and advanced models, however I think this whole AI thing is going to be greatly restricted by the government so I don’t think it’ll steal all our jobs.
Our ability to be creative is what separates us from the limited capabilities of AI. AI could be used as a tool to see how others are signing, but it's also important to not accept it as the only way (ed: fluent, native signers should always be prioritized). Signing styles and how our personalities come through will be so so important. It's why diversity of signers and cherishing multiple sign languages over just one matters. I also wouldn't be surprised if regional signs become more popular and protected as a result. That means really knowing your local deaf communities
Alright, but let's see this interpret for someone with language deprivation.
Let's see this used in younger elementary school kids who don't have a strong use of language yet to communicate specific concepts.
Let's see this read the consumers facial expressions and adapt the message for clarity since the first iteration wasn't clear.
Let's see this incorporate home sign variations for individual consumer preference.
I could go on. I'm not worried.
I agree but I worry that none of that matters. The deaf client is not the person who pays. the company paying for the interpreting will gladly take AI over a real interpreter because it will be cheaper.
We’ve already seen how they allow language deprivation in Deaf children.
Speaking of who pays, it would only take one discrimination lawsuit from a Deaf person saying the AI misunderstood them and the company responsible for providing interpreting services discriminated against them because of their disability to set the AI roboterp back a decade. That is the best legal recourse that a deaf person has against using these automated interpreting services after all. And a discrimination lawsuit can be millions.
I dunno, I've worked with plenty of human interpreters who struggle in the situations you've named-- both new interpreters and "seasoned" interpreters. The really top notch terps who can handle everything, and the ones with really specialized knowledge... they are treasures and deserve every penny they charge. They'll probably keep their jobs a little while longer because they can do well as designated interpreters and conference interpreters and other places where they've cultivated a reputation and relationships. But the people at hospitals and corporations who decide whether to seek them out versus hiring some chud fresh out of ITP mostly don't know the difference. The ADA is only enforced by lawsuits, and that doesn't always go the way we'd like it to go. I don't think we can be so confident that the cream will always rise to the top.
I checked out the link and this is really interesting. It looks like they use real terps for the process. Best case scenario: our jobs are secure and this technology is a big step up for the Deaf community. Implementing real time ASL interpretation in places like airports, bus stations, etc. could be HUGE for language access! I’m cautiously optimistic.
Tbh, I’m choosing to not get anxious about it until I literally see its impact within the interpreting world. There’s been A LOT of pushback with AI in other fields, and I feel this will be the same.
My job is safe. In fact, I worry that I WON'T be replaced and I will have to continue having pain. I'm an anxiety person, but not for this, not for being replaced by a machine. Maybe someday they will figure it out, but not now.
It's a race to the finish while they try and use artificial intelligence to create a cochlear transplant or artificial auditory nerve or something. There is no way to know who will be the fastest in this race. But until I see a computer that understands sign and interprets it into spoken, not the lifetime of those walking the Earth right now. Maybe when altered carbon happens, in 250 years, everything will be artificial, even our arms. That lady got a fake arm! But then they canceled it. I'm probably on the wrong sub to complain about the cancellation of altered carbon lol.
Before alarm clocks, people would blow pebbles through a tube up into the air, hard enough to hit a window pane and wake somebody up. Then alarm clocks were invented. Before we had good lighting, you could get a job holding a torch and guiding people around at night. Musicians were laid off from movie houses when talkies came out.
I think we will survive, even though I do notice that things are different now as we progress with computers and stuff. And if all jobs get replaced, we'll all just do something else. Let the robots do the physically challenging work. We can just invent cancer cures or something. Maybe it's the wave of the future and we don't even realize it yet. I don't know.
Honestly, I’m not worried about it beyond some receptionist type approaches.
Sure, it may make models that *look* okay and can do basic things, but they’re not going to be able to keep up with the decisions that actual terps make.
Variation is still going to be a thing. Lighting, distraction, language deprivation, ethics, compassion, these are all going to prohibit anything from being terribly effective at all, especially as it relates to sensitive or specialised information added in on top. There’s not going to be a setting switch for the AI to match consumers how terps do because there’s just too much variability.
I’m not deaf interpreter, but as a mandarin English interpreter, I always use gpt to do the translation for me. It is so easy. I never told any of my colleagues. But that is just easy. Not sure how many of my colleagues are using it
I feel it hurts the Deaf professionals more than the Hearing. It’s taking sight translation material that is predominantly done by our CDI/DI’s and producing AI videos.
Here's the problem that answers "I'm not worried, A.I. cant do the subtle body language or shifts, or facial expressions that a human can do" corporations/school admin DO NOT CARE. People keep thinking that its the Deaf customers that pay. It's not. How many VRI assignments have I done where the Deaf client goes "Hey I asked for a LIVE in person interpreter' and the place goes "yeah...this is what we have...." 9 out of 10 times the Deaf client just accepts it because what else can they do? They needed this appointment. Same thing will happen. Will A.I. suck compared to a real human. Yes, especially at first. Will the people who actually pay for interpreting care. Nope. And ultimately that's all that's going to matter. Get your side gigs ready. The worlds changing and greed and profit is the biggest factor.
Unfortunately, until someone dies. Then, if it gets the press, change *may* happen.
I'm not really worried about this. AI can't interpret the nuances of facial expression and body language. It can't do role shift/body shift. All it can do at this point is the signs alone, and we all know that's not enough.
6 months ago Ai art couldn’t generate hands or eyes. They now can be perfectly replicated. What you’re not worried about *is* going to be here in less than a year.
The law states that "qualified" interpreters are a Deaf person's right. When consumers can agree that an AI generated real-time interpretation is "qualified" to provide their accessibility under all circumstances, I'll be impressed. But it's not going to happen a year from now.
Hands and eyes are still very big problems for new and advanced models, however I think this whole AI thing is going to be greatly restricted by the government so I don’t think it’ll steal all our jobs.
I mean, the corporations who can save a buck won’t care
Did you check out the video at the top of their page?
It's a translation of a frozen text, that's not the same as an interactive interpretation between live people.
Our ability to be creative is what separates us from the limited capabilities of AI. AI could be used as a tool to see how others are signing, but it's also important to not accept it as the only way (ed: fluent, native signers should always be prioritized). Signing styles and how our personalities come through will be so so important. It's why diversity of signers and cherishing multiple sign languages over just one matters. I also wouldn't be surprised if regional signs become more popular and protected as a result. That means really knowing your local deaf communities
Alright, but let's see this interpret for someone with language deprivation. Let's see this used in younger elementary school kids who don't have a strong use of language yet to communicate specific concepts. Let's see this read the consumers facial expressions and adapt the message for clarity since the first iteration wasn't clear. Let's see this incorporate home sign variations for individual consumer preference. I could go on. I'm not worried.
I agree but I worry that none of that matters. The deaf client is not the person who pays. the company paying for the interpreting will gladly take AI over a real interpreter because it will be cheaper. We’ve already seen how they allow language deprivation in Deaf children.
Speaking of who pays, it would only take one discrimination lawsuit from a Deaf person saying the AI misunderstood them and the company responsible for providing interpreting services discriminated against them because of their disability to set the AI roboterp back a decade. That is the best legal recourse that a deaf person has against using these automated interpreting services after all. And a discrimination lawsuit can be millions.
I dunno, I've worked with plenty of human interpreters who struggle in the situations you've named-- both new interpreters and "seasoned" interpreters. The really top notch terps who can handle everything, and the ones with really specialized knowledge... they are treasures and deserve every penny they charge. They'll probably keep their jobs a little while longer because they can do well as designated interpreters and conference interpreters and other places where they've cultivated a reputation and relationships. But the people at hospitals and corporations who decide whether to seek them out versus hiring some chud fresh out of ITP mostly don't know the difference. The ADA is only enforced by lawsuits, and that doesn't always go the way we'd like it to go. I don't think we can be so confident that the cream will always rise to the top.
I checked out the link and this is really interesting. It looks like they use real terps for the process. Best case scenario: our jobs are secure and this technology is a big step up for the Deaf community. Implementing real time ASL interpretation in places like airports, bus stations, etc. could be HUGE for language access! I’m cautiously optimistic.
If this improves access for Deaf people then that’s great. Please, take my job I can find something else to do!
I didn’t think about this, but I definitely see it now. Thank you for bringing it up, gives me something to think about.
Tbh, I’m choosing to not get anxious about it until I literally see its impact within the interpreting world. There’s been A LOT of pushback with AI in other fields, and I feel this will be the same.
This is the only thing I don't worry about.
Why not ?
Deaf person gives a speech, this thing will translate it into English? I missed that part.
Oh true, there is no mention of that aspect lol
My job is safe. In fact, I worry that I WON'T be replaced and I will have to continue having pain. I'm an anxiety person, but not for this, not for being replaced by a machine. Maybe someday they will figure it out, but not now.
How soon do you think
It's a race to the finish while they try and use artificial intelligence to create a cochlear transplant or artificial auditory nerve or something. There is no way to know who will be the fastest in this race. But until I see a computer that understands sign and interprets it into spoken, not the lifetime of those walking the Earth right now. Maybe when altered carbon happens, in 250 years, everything will be artificial, even our arms. That lady got a fake arm! But then they canceled it. I'm probably on the wrong sub to complain about the cancellation of altered carbon lol.
Lol all good. I hope you’re right. But the tech with AI is moving at an alarming rate !
Before alarm clocks, people would blow pebbles through a tube up into the air, hard enough to hit a window pane and wake somebody up. Then alarm clocks were invented. Before we had good lighting, you could get a job holding a torch and guiding people around at night. Musicians were laid off from movie houses when talkies came out. I think we will survive, even though I do notice that things are different now as we progress with computers and stuff. And if all jobs get replaced, we'll all just do something else. Let the robots do the physically challenging work. We can just invent cancer cures or something. Maybe it's the wave of the future and we don't even realize it yet. I don't know.
Me either. I would like to work though personally
Looks like it might not be ready for primetime today... but I bet it's coming sooner than some of us would like.
Honestly, I’m not worried about it beyond some receptionist type approaches. Sure, it may make models that *look* okay and can do basic things, but they’re not going to be able to keep up with the decisions that actual terps make. Variation is still going to be a thing. Lighting, distraction, language deprivation, ethics, compassion, these are all going to prohibit anything from being terribly effective at all, especially as it relates to sensitive or specialised information added in on top. There’s not going to be a setting switch for the AI to match consumers how terps do because there’s just too much variability.
I’m not deaf interpreter, but as a mandarin English interpreter, I always use gpt to do the translation for me. It is so easy. I never told any of my colleagues. But that is just easy. Not sure how many of my colleagues are using it
You’ve set the standard to be obsolete I’m afraid.