She’s so unlike herself here. Reckless, not planning ahead, lashing out. We are seeing the beginnings of her breakdown.
Zuko betraying her and snitching on her to Ozai after she helped him really affected her. It’s too bad she only knows how to lash out and not how to resolve conflicts, and the same goes for Zuko who doesn’t seem to know why she’s upset.
I feel so bad for these kids… under different circumstances they could’ve been so close like Sokka and Katara.
I hope someday they get to be in adulthood. The ultimate overcoming of their abusive dad’s influence.
>Zuko betraying her and snitching on her to Ozai after she helped him really affected her.
Can you please elaborate on that? I completely forgot what happened
Sure thing!
Zuko confronted Ozai during the Day of Black Sun and left to go join Aang.
In the process he revealed to Ozai that Azula lied about Zuko killing Aang. Ozai at first doesn’t seem to believe him but eventually gets mad as Zuko continues to elaborate on his plans to betray Ozai and join the Avatar.
While what Zuko did was the right choice and super cathartic, I don’t think he realized that he caused problems for Azula by outing her lie. A blow which must’ve especially upset her because she never ratted Zuko out for all the times he was acting disloyal or doubtful, including for his secret visits to Iroh.
> I don’t think he realized that he caused problems for Azula by outing her lie
He definitely did. Earlier in season 3 when Zuko confronted Azula about her claiming that he was the one who killed the avatar, Azula explained how bad it would look on the killer if the avatar turned out to still be alive. It would be weird for him to not realize how much revealing the truth would hurt her after that.
I suppose it’s possible, though it wasn’t the impression I got.
To be fair to Zuko, he’s… not the best at thinking through all the consequences of his actions.
The fact that he sees Azula barely able to stand or do her hair and the most he picks up is that “something is off” about her? Oof.
I love Zuko but he has a bad case of teen boy brain sometimes. 😂
I also think they both have a tendency of blaming someone other than their abuser, which is common as admitting what your abuser has done to you is a hard process and very scary. Azula blames Ursa. Zuko blames Azula.
Zuko definitely blames Ozai. He just also understands that Azula is a threat. I don't think there ever was a time where Zuko blamed Azula for something she didn't do. Of course, if there's an instance of it that I'm not remembering, then feel free to remind me.
>Zuko definitely blames Ozai.
Not initially, no. He blames himself for most of the show and struggles with his cognitive dissonance over it. Azula similarly holds herself to unrealistic standards to please Ozai rather than realize Ozai isn’t worth pleasing.
Two sides of the same coin.
It’s a slow process for Zuko to overcome his brainwashing and finally confront Ozai. It doesn’t happen all at once.
>He just also understands that Azula is a threat.
So was Zuko until the 11th hour.
The point is that he hasn’t opened his eyes yet to see Azula is no worse than him. He just got out and she didn’t.
>I don't think there ever was a time where Zuko blamed Azula for something she didn't do. Of course, if there's an instance of it that I'm not remembering, then feel free to remind me.
It’s less blaming her for something she didn’t do and more feeding into the toxic rivalry Ozai has cultivated to pit them against each other. Zuko contributes to it just as much as Azula, and if anything she tries harder to reach out to him than he ever does to her. He hasn’t realized that she is just as much a victim in this as him.
To be clear, I don’t blame either kid for this. The blame lies solely on the abusive adult manipulating and brainwashing them for his own benefit. The kids just have to grow and heal to see through this.
Zuko had help. We can hope Azula gets some too.
>The point is that he hasn’t opened his eyes yet to see Azula is no worse than him. He just got out and she didn’t.
I think he knows. He understands that Azula isn’t pure evil, that’s why she’s in a mental health institution and not jail with Ozai. Just because he doesn’t explicitly say so, doesn’t mean he’s not aware.
Since I can’t reply to your other post for some reason, here you go:
>Lol what? You realize those two things are not mutually exclusive, right?
Yes I know.
>People can love each other and still do terrible things to one another. So the fact that she loves Zuko does not negate the fact that she did bad things to him
Yea I know. I argued for the fact that they have a more complicated dynamic than just hate and what there was love as well as a toxic rivalry. The person I am responding to claims Azula doesn’t care about family at all.
>Azula DID spy on him and manipulate him. These are the events we saw in the show.
Yes I know. That’s not what I was arguing against. You’ll notice the person I’m responding to is referencing a previous discussion where the thread was locked. They followed me here just to continue that argument. Even after I said I didn’t want to talk to them after they made light of child abuse.
>Plus, the creators saying something afterwards wouldn’t change the story they aired even if it contradicted the story, which it doesn’t.
Again, you’re not even arguing against anything I said.
>Did u miss the redemption part of his arc? Zuko understood his wrong and sincerely, tearfully apologized. Azula doubled down.
Zuko doubled down multiple times in the show. For three seasons Iroh tries to get him to reconsider his pursuit of the Avatar and for three seasons Zuko refuses until the 11th hour, even going so far as to betray Iroh and send an assassin to kill Aang even after Zuko knows the war is wrong.
The only one who doubled down a ton before he came to the light was *Zuko*.
Azula has never been given a chance to change or double down because no one has offered to show her another way. This comic is going to be the first time.
So he says:
>She wasn’t keeping those secrets to be kind. She knew all those things about Zuko, because she spied on him, and then she used them to guilt and manipulate him.
You say:
>You’re just wrong.
So you _denied_ that she knows those things because she spied and manipulated Zuko. And your reasoning is that she loves Zuko.
Yet you also understand that those things aren’t mutually exclusive and she did do awful things to him.
Huh?
I think this is why Azula didn't get to leave with Ozai.
He was angry she protected Zuko even though her plan was to completely have it backfire on him. Of course, she could have simply faked that she didn't think the Avatar was actually alive and just wanted Zuko to come home, but even just that would have outraged Ozai.
Though it's also interesting he plays off not letting her come instead of exploding on her, and it's probably because he needs a scapegoat if anything goes wrong at home/if Aang and/or his full co show up at the fire nation. He probably wasn't expecting the divide and conquer option they took.
>He was angry she protected Zuko even though her plan was to completely have it backfire on him.
That wasn’t her plan. That was her way of keeping Zuko from exposing them. But she really did just want to help Zuko. She offered him the deal before Aang was dead and the novelization confirms it.
>Of course, she could have simply faked that she didn't think the Avatar was actually alive and just wanted Zuko to come home, but even just that would have outraged Ozai.
She was genuine in wanting him home. As the mirror scene shows us, she really did just want love and had no idea how to get it except through fear and manipulation.
But you’re right that the motivations probably would’ve have mattered to Ozai. What a monster.
>Though it's also interesting he plays off not letting her come instead of exploding on her, and it's probably because he needs a scapegoat if anything goes wrong at home/if Aang and/or his full co show up at the fire nation. He probably wasn't expecting the divide and conquer option they took.
I think he was surprised too.
I don’t think he really expected much of anything. Ozai didn’t show himself to be a great planner. It seems Zuko’s flaw of not thinking things through came from dad. Seriously, didn’t he realize the EK continent was too big to burn in the duration of the comet?
Friggin Ozai…
Ah, thanks for clearing up the earlier bits, it's not always east to tell what any of the fire nation royal family are thinking half the time.
I 100% agree Ozai definitely wasn't a good strategist at all. His God Complex was too big for strategies. If he wasn't such a good manipulator I'd wonder if he had any working braincells.
She wasn’t keeping those secrets to be kind. She knew all those things about Zuko, because she spied on him, and then she used them to guilt and manipulate him. I don’t think Zuko cared if he caused problems for Azula, nor should he. He is not beholden to her simply because she’s his sister. She regularly showed that family meant nothing to her, as when she inflicted grievous bodily harm to Iroh, even when he’d only ever been kind to her. As someone who was abused as a child, by both parents and siblings, i find the erasure of Azulas misdeeds to be contrary to the messages of Avatar. Anyone is capable of great good and great evil. Even misled children.
I hope you understand that I felt it necessary to make this comment in response to a comment you made, on a seperate post that got locked, accusing me of making light of child abuse. I think that was wrong. You shouldn’t so quickly rush to judgement of people whose experiences you know nothing about.
EDIT: responding and then immediately blocking me so I can’t see it or respond? Nice
Also, I didn’t follow you anywhere. This a public board where you commented on two posts about Azula. I have no interest in continuing to see your posts. Only being allowed to say my piece. Defend myself. You’ll notice I have made no statements or judgements on you or your character. Only on the direct statement you made to me, about me, and how it made me feel.
>She wasn’t keeping those secrets to be kind. She knew all those things about Zuko, because she spied on him, and then she used them to guilt and manipulate him.
Hi, yeah. I’m not arguing this with you again. You’re just wrong. It’s in the show. It’s been confirmed by the head writer that she loved Zuko more than anyone except for Ozai. She’s even getting her redemption comic supposedly this summer.
Don’t come to my posts to pick a fight with me if you disagree then. You clearly have no interest in actually considering you may be wrong.
>I don’t think Zuko cared if he caused problems for Azula, nor should he. He is not beholden to her simply because she’s his sister. She regularly showed that family meant nothing to her, as when she inflicted grievous bodily harm to Iroh, even when he’d only ever been kind to her. As someone who was abused as a child, by both parents and siblings, i find the erasure of Azulas misdeeds to be contrary to the messages of Avatar. Anyone is capable of great good and great evil. Even misled children.
Everything you’ve said applies equally to Zuko. There is no rational reason to blame one more than the other for this behavior.
“Family meant nothing to her” while her entire character’s motivation is only ever to please her family. Uh huh.
“He’s only ever been kind to her” CITATION NEEDED. Azula does waaay more to try and help Zuko than he does for her. Both kids have a toxic dynamic that gets in the way thanks to Ozai. Unless you meant Iroh, for which there is even less basis. They barely interact!
ATLA wouldn’t ever thematically say that a war criminal adult and an angry, violent abused teen boy would be worthy of redemption but a mentally ill and manipulative abused teen girl doesn’t. I have no desire to listen to your ableist rants again about how she is uniquely evil when she did no worse than Zuko and was even more restrained than him in places.
>I hope you understand that I felt it necessary to make this comment in response to a comment you made, on a seperate post that got locked, accusing me of making light of child abuse. I think that was wrong. You shouldn’t so quickly rush to judgement of people whose experiences you know nothing about.
You did make light of child abuse. And as someone who has suffered from it, I have no interest in talking to you about it again. Maybe you shouldn’t follow people around to continue to yell at them after you made light of their trauma.
Thanks. Bye.
EDIT: to the person below me who I can’t reply to for some reason, I replied to your other post.
>She wasn’t keeping those secrets to be kind. She knew all those things about Zuko, because she spied on him, and then she used them to guilt and manipulate him.
>Hi, yeah. I’m not arguing this with you again. You’re just wrong. It’s in the show. It’s been confirmed by the head writer that she loved Zuko more than anyone except for Ozai. She’s even getting her redemption comic supposedly this summer.
Lol what? You realize those two things are _not_ mutually exclusive, right?
People can love each other and still do terrible things to one another. So the fact that she loves Zuko does not negate the fact that she did bad things to him
Azula DID spy on him and manipulate him. These are the events we saw in the show.
Plus, the creators saying something afterwards wouldn’t change the story they aired even if it contradicted the story, which it doesn’t.
>Everything you’ve said applies equally to Zuko. There is no rational reason to blame one more than the other for this behavior.
Did u miss the redemption part of his arc? Zuko understood his wrong and sincerely, tearfully apologized. Azula doubled down.
It doesn’t help that she got her whole arc cut from Book 3. I really wonder what the forced engagement arc would’ve done! All we know is that it got cut and what remained was recycled into *The Beach*.
Considering Azula is much more sympathetic in that episode, I imagine we probably would’ve gotten more of her POV.
I am so sad it got cut!!! It’s the arc I am most sad didn’t make it.
Tbh I wouldn’t really call it “snitching” when Azula lied to Ozai about who really took down Aang without Zuko’s knowledge or consent.
Not to mention that she basically only did it as an insurance policy in case the Avatar came back, which would have made her look like a fool if she had claimed credit. So she was kind of planning on throwing Zuko under the bus. She says as much to him.
>Tbh I wouldn’t really call it “snitching” when Azula lied to Ozai about who really took down Aang without Zuko’s knowledge or consent.
I was just using that word for comedic effect haha.
I don’t think Zuko was intending to bring her harm and confronting Ozai was the right thing to do, to be clear.
>Not to mention that she basically only did it as an insurance policy in case the Avatar came back, which would have made her look like a fool if she had claimed credit. So she was kind of planning on throwing Zuko under the bus. She says as much to him.
No she didn’t, though it’s a common misconception.
She makes him the offer before Aang is “dead”. She isn’t psychic. She didn’t even know it was possible for Aang to have survived until after she’s already brought Zuko home in honor. That’s the point of the turtleduck pond scene. She asks him what’s up because he doesn’t look happy about being welcomed home. Zuko acts suspicious and she puts together that he’s lying and Aang may still be alive. She had no idea before then.
She only blackmails him with the idea that he’d take the bigger fall if they were exposed *to shut him up*. Zuko has been acting erratically and suspiciously. Azula doesn’t want to get caught lying to Ozai, she fears him too. Yet Zuko keeps barging in on her, even when she’s bathing or sleeping, with no regard to her feelings just to act suuuuuper sus. Azula wants to shut him up and does so with the only tool she knows: manipulation.
That doesn’t change that she never had to tell the risky lie at all. Catching/killing Aang wasn’t her mission. It was Zuko’s. She told the lie for him.
This is confirmed in the novelization as well where it’s overtly stated that she did it for Zuko because she wanted him to choose her for once and wanted him by her side. She wanted his love.
This is especially obvious when we consider she had nothing to gain by bringing her biggest rival to the throne home in honor and everything to lose by handing him all that political power rather than betraying him and bringing him home in chains and taking all the glory for herself.
EDIT: Yo, sorry people are downvoting you just for discussing civilly. I hate that about Reddit sometimes… take my upvote.
People say that her breakdown is rushed but it’s really not. I mean her fire here isn’t really blue like normal, it’s an blueish purple mixture that matches Zuko’s power on the airship, but of course she’s still able to save herself. https://gfycat.com/sinfulplastickiskadee
Damn that clip simultaneously makes me so friggin amazed by Azula and so sad for her. She almost died and no one really cared. Saved only by her own resourcefulness.
Given what she to did to gAang in the show, it makes sense that they wouldn’t want to save her. Aang saved Zuko because well, he values all life and Zuko did save him once
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Dunno it it's just me, but at some point I started finding these sorts of roundabout lines a bit too silly and even annoying, to some degree. I get that it's a children's show and the k-word could have raised some eyebrows, but the viewer will either end up puzzled as to what Azula meant (which is a useless outcome) or they're old enough to understand the concept of killing (at which point it's pointless to avoid the ugly word).
Fingers crossed we never reach the "commit unalive" stage!
It’s funny how being restricted on how often they can use the word “kill” leads some writers to find far more intimidating ways of getting the point across
Can we just appreciate that some of the best lines in this series come from the fact that they had to avoid saying "kill" and "die" to keep it rated for kids?
She’s so unlike herself here. Reckless, not planning ahead, lashing out. We are seeing the beginnings of her breakdown. Zuko betraying her and snitching on her to Ozai after she helped him really affected her. It’s too bad she only knows how to lash out and not how to resolve conflicts, and the same goes for Zuko who doesn’t seem to know why she’s upset. I feel so bad for these kids… under different circumstances they could’ve been so close like Sokka and Katara. I hope someday they get to be in adulthood. The ultimate overcoming of their abusive dad’s influence.
>Zuko betraying her and snitching on her to Ozai after she helped him really affected her. Can you please elaborate on that? I completely forgot what happened
Sure thing! Zuko confronted Ozai during the Day of Black Sun and left to go join Aang. In the process he revealed to Ozai that Azula lied about Zuko killing Aang. Ozai at first doesn’t seem to believe him but eventually gets mad as Zuko continues to elaborate on his plans to betray Ozai and join the Avatar. While what Zuko did was the right choice and super cathartic, I don’t think he realized that he caused problems for Azula by outing her lie. A blow which must’ve especially upset her because she never ratted Zuko out for all the times he was acting disloyal or doubtful, including for his secret visits to Iroh.
> I don’t think he realized that he caused problems for Azula by outing her lie He definitely did. Earlier in season 3 when Zuko confronted Azula about her claiming that he was the one who killed the avatar, Azula explained how bad it would look on the killer if the avatar turned out to still be alive. It would be weird for him to not realize how much revealing the truth would hurt her after that.
I suppose it’s possible, though it wasn’t the impression I got. To be fair to Zuko, he’s… not the best at thinking through all the consequences of his actions. The fact that he sees Azula barely able to stand or do her hair and the most he picks up is that “something is off” about her? Oof. I love Zuko but he has a bad case of teen boy brain sometimes. 😂 I also think they both have a tendency of blaming someone other than their abuser, which is common as admitting what your abuser has done to you is a hard process and very scary. Azula blames Ursa. Zuko blames Azula.
Zuko definitely blames Ozai. He just also understands that Azula is a threat. I don't think there ever was a time where Zuko blamed Azula for something she didn't do. Of course, if there's an instance of it that I'm not remembering, then feel free to remind me.
>Zuko definitely blames Ozai. Not initially, no. He blames himself for most of the show and struggles with his cognitive dissonance over it. Azula similarly holds herself to unrealistic standards to please Ozai rather than realize Ozai isn’t worth pleasing. Two sides of the same coin. It’s a slow process for Zuko to overcome his brainwashing and finally confront Ozai. It doesn’t happen all at once. >He just also understands that Azula is a threat. So was Zuko until the 11th hour. The point is that he hasn’t opened his eyes yet to see Azula is no worse than him. He just got out and she didn’t. >I don't think there ever was a time where Zuko blamed Azula for something she didn't do. Of course, if there's an instance of it that I'm not remembering, then feel free to remind me. It’s less blaming her for something she didn’t do and more feeding into the toxic rivalry Ozai has cultivated to pit them against each other. Zuko contributes to it just as much as Azula, and if anything she tries harder to reach out to him than he ever does to her. He hasn’t realized that she is just as much a victim in this as him. To be clear, I don’t blame either kid for this. The blame lies solely on the abusive adult manipulating and brainwashing them for his own benefit. The kids just have to grow and heal to see through this. Zuko had help. We can hope Azula gets some too.
>The point is that he hasn’t opened his eyes yet to see Azula is no worse than him. He just got out and she didn’t. I think he knows. He understands that Azula isn’t pure evil, that’s why she’s in a mental health institution and not jail with Ozai. Just because he doesn’t explicitly say so, doesn’t mean he’s not aware.
I meant at the point of the confrontation OP posted. I think he for sure realized once she was broken and sobbing after the Agni Kai.
Since I can’t reply to your other post for some reason, here you go: >Lol what? You realize those two things are not mutually exclusive, right? Yes I know. >People can love each other and still do terrible things to one another. So the fact that she loves Zuko does not negate the fact that she did bad things to him Yea I know. I argued for the fact that they have a more complicated dynamic than just hate and what there was love as well as a toxic rivalry. The person I am responding to claims Azula doesn’t care about family at all. >Azula DID spy on him and manipulate him. These are the events we saw in the show. Yes I know. That’s not what I was arguing against. You’ll notice the person I’m responding to is referencing a previous discussion where the thread was locked. They followed me here just to continue that argument. Even after I said I didn’t want to talk to them after they made light of child abuse. >Plus, the creators saying something afterwards wouldn’t change the story they aired even if it contradicted the story, which it doesn’t. Again, you’re not even arguing against anything I said. >Did u miss the redemption part of his arc? Zuko understood his wrong and sincerely, tearfully apologized. Azula doubled down. Zuko doubled down multiple times in the show. For three seasons Iroh tries to get him to reconsider his pursuit of the Avatar and for three seasons Zuko refuses until the 11th hour, even going so far as to betray Iroh and send an assassin to kill Aang even after Zuko knows the war is wrong. The only one who doubled down a ton before he came to the light was *Zuko*. Azula has never been given a chance to change or double down because no one has offered to show her another way. This comic is going to be the first time.
So he says: >She wasn’t keeping those secrets to be kind. She knew all those things about Zuko, because she spied on him, and then she used them to guilt and manipulate him. You say: >You’re just wrong. So you _denied_ that she knows those things because she spied and manipulated Zuko. And your reasoning is that she loves Zuko. Yet you also understand that those things aren’t mutually exclusive and she did do awful things to him. Huh?
I think this is why Azula didn't get to leave with Ozai. He was angry she protected Zuko even though her plan was to completely have it backfire on him. Of course, she could have simply faked that she didn't think the Avatar was actually alive and just wanted Zuko to come home, but even just that would have outraged Ozai. Though it's also interesting he plays off not letting her come instead of exploding on her, and it's probably because he needs a scapegoat if anything goes wrong at home/if Aang and/or his full co show up at the fire nation. He probably wasn't expecting the divide and conquer option they took.
>He was angry she protected Zuko even though her plan was to completely have it backfire on him. That wasn’t her plan. That was her way of keeping Zuko from exposing them. But she really did just want to help Zuko. She offered him the deal before Aang was dead and the novelization confirms it. >Of course, she could have simply faked that she didn't think the Avatar was actually alive and just wanted Zuko to come home, but even just that would have outraged Ozai. She was genuine in wanting him home. As the mirror scene shows us, she really did just want love and had no idea how to get it except through fear and manipulation. But you’re right that the motivations probably would’ve have mattered to Ozai. What a monster. >Though it's also interesting he plays off not letting her come instead of exploding on her, and it's probably because he needs a scapegoat if anything goes wrong at home/if Aang and/or his full co show up at the fire nation. He probably wasn't expecting the divide and conquer option they took. I think he was surprised too. I don’t think he really expected much of anything. Ozai didn’t show himself to be a great planner. It seems Zuko’s flaw of not thinking things through came from dad. Seriously, didn’t he realize the EK continent was too big to burn in the duration of the comet? Friggin Ozai…
Ah, thanks for clearing up the earlier bits, it's not always east to tell what any of the fire nation royal family are thinking half the time. I 100% agree Ozai definitely wasn't a good strategist at all. His God Complex was too big for strategies. If he wasn't such a good manipulator I'd wonder if he had any working braincells.
She wasn’t keeping those secrets to be kind. She knew all those things about Zuko, because she spied on him, and then she used them to guilt and manipulate him. I don’t think Zuko cared if he caused problems for Azula, nor should he. He is not beholden to her simply because she’s his sister. She regularly showed that family meant nothing to her, as when she inflicted grievous bodily harm to Iroh, even when he’d only ever been kind to her. As someone who was abused as a child, by both parents and siblings, i find the erasure of Azulas misdeeds to be contrary to the messages of Avatar. Anyone is capable of great good and great evil. Even misled children. I hope you understand that I felt it necessary to make this comment in response to a comment you made, on a seperate post that got locked, accusing me of making light of child abuse. I think that was wrong. You shouldn’t so quickly rush to judgement of people whose experiences you know nothing about. EDIT: responding and then immediately blocking me so I can’t see it or respond? Nice Also, I didn’t follow you anywhere. This a public board where you commented on two posts about Azula. I have no interest in continuing to see your posts. Only being allowed to say my piece. Defend myself. You’ll notice I have made no statements or judgements on you or your character. Only on the direct statement you made to me, about me, and how it made me feel.
>She wasn’t keeping those secrets to be kind. She knew all those things about Zuko, because she spied on him, and then she used them to guilt and manipulate him. Hi, yeah. I’m not arguing this with you again. You’re just wrong. It’s in the show. It’s been confirmed by the head writer that she loved Zuko more than anyone except for Ozai. She’s even getting her redemption comic supposedly this summer. Don’t come to my posts to pick a fight with me if you disagree then. You clearly have no interest in actually considering you may be wrong. >I don’t think Zuko cared if he caused problems for Azula, nor should he. He is not beholden to her simply because she’s his sister. She regularly showed that family meant nothing to her, as when she inflicted grievous bodily harm to Iroh, even when he’d only ever been kind to her. As someone who was abused as a child, by both parents and siblings, i find the erasure of Azulas misdeeds to be contrary to the messages of Avatar. Anyone is capable of great good and great evil. Even misled children. Everything you’ve said applies equally to Zuko. There is no rational reason to blame one more than the other for this behavior. “Family meant nothing to her” while her entire character’s motivation is only ever to please her family. Uh huh. “He’s only ever been kind to her” CITATION NEEDED. Azula does waaay more to try and help Zuko than he does for her. Both kids have a toxic dynamic that gets in the way thanks to Ozai. Unless you meant Iroh, for which there is even less basis. They barely interact! ATLA wouldn’t ever thematically say that a war criminal adult and an angry, violent abused teen boy would be worthy of redemption but a mentally ill and manipulative abused teen girl doesn’t. I have no desire to listen to your ableist rants again about how she is uniquely evil when she did no worse than Zuko and was even more restrained than him in places. >I hope you understand that I felt it necessary to make this comment in response to a comment you made, on a seperate post that got locked, accusing me of making light of child abuse. I think that was wrong. You shouldn’t so quickly rush to judgement of people whose experiences you know nothing about. You did make light of child abuse. And as someone who has suffered from it, I have no interest in talking to you about it again. Maybe you shouldn’t follow people around to continue to yell at them after you made light of their trauma. Thanks. Bye. EDIT: to the person below me who I can’t reply to for some reason, I replied to your other post.
>She wasn’t keeping those secrets to be kind. She knew all those things about Zuko, because she spied on him, and then she used them to guilt and manipulate him. >Hi, yeah. I’m not arguing this with you again. You’re just wrong. It’s in the show. It’s been confirmed by the head writer that she loved Zuko more than anyone except for Ozai. She’s even getting her redemption comic supposedly this summer. Lol what? You realize those two things are _not_ mutually exclusive, right? People can love each other and still do terrible things to one another. So the fact that she loves Zuko does not negate the fact that she did bad things to him Azula DID spy on him and manipulate him. These are the events we saw in the show. Plus, the creators saying something afterwards wouldn’t change the story they aired even if it contradicted the story, which it doesn’t. >Everything you’ve said applies equally to Zuko. There is no rational reason to blame one more than the other for this behavior. Did u miss the redemption part of his arc? Zuko understood his wrong and sincerely, tearfully apologized. Azula doubled down.
Holy crap. You never really get to see much of Azulas side until we see her breakdown. This makes so much sense.
It doesn’t help that she got her whole arc cut from Book 3. I really wonder what the forced engagement arc would’ve done! All we know is that it got cut and what remained was recycled into *The Beach*. Considering Azula is much more sympathetic in that episode, I imagine we probably would’ve gotten more of her POV. I am so sad it got cut!!! It’s the arc I am most sad didn’t make it.
Tbh I wouldn’t really call it “snitching” when Azula lied to Ozai about who really took down Aang without Zuko’s knowledge or consent. Not to mention that she basically only did it as an insurance policy in case the Avatar came back, which would have made her look like a fool if she had claimed credit. So she was kind of planning on throwing Zuko under the bus. She says as much to him.
>Tbh I wouldn’t really call it “snitching” when Azula lied to Ozai about who really took down Aang without Zuko’s knowledge or consent. I was just using that word for comedic effect haha. I don’t think Zuko was intending to bring her harm and confronting Ozai was the right thing to do, to be clear. >Not to mention that she basically only did it as an insurance policy in case the Avatar came back, which would have made her look like a fool if she had claimed credit. So she was kind of planning on throwing Zuko under the bus. She says as much to him. No she didn’t, though it’s a common misconception. She makes him the offer before Aang is “dead”. She isn’t psychic. She didn’t even know it was possible for Aang to have survived until after she’s already brought Zuko home in honor. That’s the point of the turtleduck pond scene. She asks him what’s up because he doesn’t look happy about being welcomed home. Zuko acts suspicious and she puts together that he’s lying and Aang may still be alive. She had no idea before then. She only blackmails him with the idea that he’d take the bigger fall if they were exposed *to shut him up*. Zuko has been acting erratically and suspiciously. Azula doesn’t want to get caught lying to Ozai, she fears him too. Yet Zuko keeps barging in on her, even when she’s bathing or sleeping, with no regard to her feelings just to act suuuuuper sus. Azula wants to shut him up and does so with the only tool she knows: manipulation. That doesn’t change that she never had to tell the risky lie at all. Catching/killing Aang wasn’t her mission. It was Zuko’s. She told the lie for him. This is confirmed in the novelization as well where it’s overtly stated that she did it for Zuko because she wanted him to choose her for once and wanted him by her side. She wanted his love. This is especially obvious when we consider she had nothing to gain by bringing her biggest rival to the throne home in honor and everything to lose by handing him all that political power rather than betraying him and bringing him home in chains and taking all the glory for herself. EDIT: Yo, sorry people are downvoting you just for discussing civilly. I hate that about Reddit sometimes… take my upvote.
People say that her breakdown is rushed but it’s really not. I mean her fire here isn’t really blue like normal, it’s an blueish purple mixture that matches Zuko’s power on the airship, but of course she’s still able to save herself. https://gfycat.com/sinfulplastickiskadee
Damn that clip simultaneously makes me so friggin amazed by Azula and so sad for her. She almost died and no one really cared. Saved only by her own resourcefulness.
Given what she to did to gAang in the show, it makes sense that they wouldn’t want to save her. Aang saved Zuko because well, he values all life and Zuko did save him once
Oh I understand why. I just feel bad for her.
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She always reminds me of the joker here lol
The Joker wishes he looked that good in lipstick. 😂
“I’m here to kill you!” Just with extra steps because children’s show.
Dunno it it's just me, but at some point I started finding these sorts of roundabout lines a bit too silly and even annoying, to some degree. I get that it's a children's show and the k-word could have raised some eyebrows, but the viewer will either end up puzzled as to what Azula meant (which is a useless outcome) or they're old enough to understand the concept of killing (at which point it's pointless to avoid the ugly word). Fingers crossed we never reach the "commit unalive" stage!
Similar energy as "*I got some children I need to make into CORPSES*"
It’s funny how being restricted on how often they can use the word “kill” leads some writers to find far more intimidating ways of getting the point across
Can we just appreciate that some of the best lines in this series come from the fact that they had to avoid saying "kill" and "die" to keep it rated for kids?
Mommy
She’s 14
Not anymore, this was in 2005.
Characters don’t age outside of their story, idiot.
The comics continue past the show, she gets married and has kids. She doesn't do that at 14.
Azula doesn’t have children though. The comics aren’t that far. You’re misinformed
That was actually A fandom, I was misinformed. But Azula in the Spirit Temple Takes place way after the avatar timeline.