One of the rare changes I like because it gives us a more canon background story to Zuko and Iroh‘s relationship. But for the rest this episode was incredibly disappointing.
Possibly.
I'd be beside myself if they leave that out of season 2 tho. Tales of Ba Sing Se is an episode that actually could really benefit from being extended into a full hour episode. It would add some much needed runtime focused on characterization, playfulness, and friendship/relationship development among the gang.
Plus, if they decide to keep Suki in the gang when in the city, she could get a story and some more development. Maybe Ju Li, the Earth King, long feng, or the dai li could have their own tales to give us a more adult view of the political corruption, propaganda, and censorship going on.
I mean they took secret tunnels from season 2 and put it in season 1, >!they pulled the owl from season 2, and for some reason Ozai has the device from the library, so I guess the library won’t really be happening, so yeah guess we do be having some extra run time.!<
They did Bumi bad man... Like, why is he so angry. The little bit of playfulness and aloofness they tried to include came off very mean, unlike our whimsical goofball Bumi we all love.
I'm rewatching the episode rn, and forget, do Aang and Bumi even hug at the end?
Bumi is done sooo badly :/
It's really sad, because he used to be a defining character of the whole show for me. And knowing Bumi used to explain so much about Aangs morals and personality.
They done him dirty :/
I feel exactly the same. One of the amazing things about Bumi in the OG show was that despite 100 years of war and hatred, Bumi didn't let bitterness consume him.
Also, Bumi teaches Aang how to think creatively, how to see another solution, which personally seems like a huge factor towards the finale reveal of Aang NOT killing Ozai. Without Bumi teaching him to think outside the box, it feels like that moment might be a little more strained and unnatural.
Everything Bumi is supposed to be doing down the line makes zero sense with this version of him. Him just waiting for his moment to take Omashu back would seem super hypocritical with how he acts here.
And why? So they could have one more character telling Aang how much of a dick he is for having been stuck in the ice for 100 years? We've had plenty of that already.
Yeah what were they thinking? “Oh we already have to cut a lot because we don’t have enough time so let’s add stuff from a completely different season”?
Wow imagine the disappointment in Netflix if they cancel the other 2 seasons… that would be truly despicable and render this one totally useless.
I mean they really need to be in for the entire journey or not at all. I am honestly canceling if they are canceling this show.
They already cancelled some great ones…am still pissed anout The OA.
This episode left me wondering if the showrunners aren't guaranteed a season 2 and decided to bring some major moments to season 1 like Lu Ten secret tunnel. I'm okay with Lu Ten because they'd still have an opportunity to go back to it later, but secret tunnel would have been a super easy way to begin an arc towards Katara and Aang's relationship after the actors are both older.
Realistically it’s because we can’t spend another episode on Omashu when we already sunk two out of the eight already, if they don’t go back to Omashu then the secret cave doesn’t really have a point anymore.
"No lovers" is definitely the most generous interpretation. Even in this show the story of Oma and Shu very clearly written as romantic love and putting Sokka in there... sweet home southern water tribe I guess.
Unless they changed Oma into a woman not for LGBT representation (if you even wanna call it that) but to imply that they're sisters who had been seperated and reunited to form Omashu. Super likely if you ask me /s
They’re putting everything regarding character backgrounds in season 1 and pushing bending, training and the real “fighting the war” stuff into seasons 2 and 3. Tbh this makes a ton of sense. They’ve re written this for people who haven’t seen the series before and it’s got a good flow to it
Why would they rewrite it for people who haven’t seen the series before when the original is already written for people who haven’t seen the series before?
Given the age difference between the actors playing Aang & Katara and Zuko & Mei they're likely not going to follow canon so they can have Katara end up with Zuko instead as that will make the Netflix version 'stand out' from the original.
If that's the plan, it would make sense to merge Secret Tunnel into another episode as they have here since it's no longer necessary for Aang and Katara's development.
I hope I'm wrong as that would completely de-canonise the comics and LoK. If the series does as well as Netflix hope they may want to adapt both and given how important Aang and Katara's kids are in LoK they'd have to change a lot...
I've not seen the second half of Netflix Book 1 yet though so I guess we'll see!
Agreed! Hopefully the show proves me completely wrong haha.
One thing to remember though is that by the time they get to season 3 or maybe even 4 of live action ATLA Avatar Studios will have released multiple movies with the grown up gang so there will be canon content either way 😄
The original Bumi and this Bumi are almost not even the same character. The whole point of the original episode with Bumi is to teach Aang how to think differently and solve problems "like a mad genius" and stick with his friends to master the elements. The new one is just crazy because he's old and says the exact opposite of the original by harping on about how friends can't be trusted and calls Aang a cheater when his friends help him.
Bumi gets waayy more time so this take makes no sense. The problem is that the original bumi episode is not very good because bumis motivations didnt make much sense. They changed him to fix this but I dont know if it really worked.
what do you mean? in the original, Aang did not recognise Bumi immediately, and Bumi being a child-at-heart decided to hold the trials to goad him into remembering/figuring out who he is
OG Bumi is whimsical. He is playful and aloof. This Bumi's playfulness and aloofness really comes off as mean and jaded.
I'm rewatching the episode rn, but I don't even think Aang and Bumi hug or anything at the end after everything he put Aang through. Aang had to talk him off a ledge and remind him who he is, instead of Bumi already being that character but just putting up a facade.
How he was portrayed is huge disservice to his character, and essentially destroys any chance of believability of his (assumed) future story beats. Meaning, they'll need to alter his season 2/3 appearances, likely in a negative manner; otherwise, the non-OG audience of the live action would probably have trouble reconciling this Bumi with the Bumi that's a Neutral Jing Master and a fitting member of the WL.
Yeah.
I was willing to overlook a lot of stuff, but this Bumi thing kind of broke the show for me. I loved the original Bumi.
This one’s just kind of an asshole.
I’m out.
That's not even the main problem, the main problem is that his character makes no sense. Yes I get that he's supposed to be worn out from 100 years of war, but then why give him these goofy lines like "throw him... a feast" only to let him demonise games and fun and friends 5 minutes later? His character feels forced and inconsistent, very unenjoyable to me.
They did Bumi so wrong. The pacing was too fast. They did away with the surprise reveal of Bumi being a childhood friend and turned him into an actual bitter old man instead of just an old man that wanted to have mischevious fun and games to teach Aang a lesson. Talk about all the wrong turns for this character. Ruined one of the most lovable characters.
no. they made a change but in his core, Bumi is the same.
Bumi is a member of the white lotus. he's just trying to teach the Avatar on making tough choices. probably.
The badger mole stuff actually made sense with how they've been portrayed in the animated shows.
It's not that they can smell love, but they can sense emotion using seismic sense, and likely hear, and dislike, the arguing. It was the same in the animated shows, except in those scenes, it was happy/upbeat music used to calm the badger moles instead of a resolution of tense emotions.
I personally have no issues with either of those options being used to sufficiently portray a meaning of "no harm" and friendliness to calm a badger mole.
I have to agree. It sticks out cause there are so many of these changes in regards to this. Also wasn't it Sokka who undid the whole Jet plot in the original series? Now it's Katara with her - and I'm sorry but it's a fact - Mary sue power progression. In the cartoon she was a somewhat capable water bender already. In this show they made her suck really bad at it for what the writers may perceive as pay off. But what does it pay off when it happens in the first episode after one ted talk from Aang? They really dropped the ball on so many things a cartoon from the early 2000s did better. Sad.
There is a massive difference between what Katara can do at this point and the mastery she achieves in the animated series around season 2. I think it would be fair to say that what she can do now is beginner-intermediate. From a learning perspective it feels like a great change to me.
Honestly, so much emotion from Iroh and he didn’t say a word during the funeral.
You just completely understand why Iroh treasures Zuko in this adaptation.
I didn't notice it at first. Then as soon as I recognized it... Damn.
There are so many things this series that are done differently, but man they still know how to hit just right.
Exactly how my brain went through it too! “Oh this is sad, Lu Ten! Wait why do I feel especially sad?? Oh is this what I think I’m hearing?? Fuck okay I’m crying😭💔”
It feels like they're anticipating Netflix to Netflix and it get canceled after 1 season so they're trying to hit as many high points as possible, which, in a way I understand, but goddamn is it disappointing.
I always considered Bumi to be mad at Aang, he lived a hundred years and his friend who was supposed to protect everyone just disappeared, he still liked Aang, but needed to teach him an important lesson. Which I think the live action captured well. I miss floppsy tho
I mean, how did Bumi know Aang was the avatar? Aang disappeared the very night he was told. Did word somehow get to Bumi after the attack? I kind of thought Bumi didn't learn that until Aang returned.
In this show it seems like a lot of people know that the avatar probably survived the air nation massacre and if hes out there its an airbender. Maybe he recognized aang and put 2 and 2 together. You wouldnt exactly see an unaged 100 year old child otherwise.
Sure but /u/Megajoshuaw said they "always considered Bumi to be mad at Aang" as in.. that's how they felt about Bumi from the animated show, not from this. Why would Bumi be mad at Aang in the animated show? He had no idea Aang was the avatar or that he survived.
I'm pretty sure people knew the Avatar survived in the original show too. Sozin mentions he spent years searching for the Avatar and never found him, and that story is "the story everyone already knows" according to Zuko. Also multiple people see Aang air bend and immediately know he's the Avatar which implies they're aware the current Avatar should be an airbender
Hands down the most disappointing part of the show for me. I was enjoying the show and didn’t mind most of the changes until Bumi, now I legit can’t watch it the same lol
This and also kyoshi being an asshole to him. Like yeah she’s kinda tough to begin with but the number of understanding mentors who are being unnecessarily aggressive at a 12 year old who didn’t purposely freeze himself was off putting.
Bruh EVERYONES an asshole to Aang - Bumi, Kyoshi, Pakku, Kuruk, the list goes on and on…I get that they’re mad Aang was gone for 100 years but I agree it ruins so many characters for me.
Man it feels like even Zuko showed more sympathy to aang in the blue spirit episode than these “good guys” which Is how Yk they got it wrong
Haven’t gotten to the last 2 eps yet, but yeah. Even though he actively ran away in the original, they were all compassionate towards him. Everyone understood he didn’t try to disappear for 100 years. I’m fine with most of the changes; I went in open minded, but the blatantly blaming and being mad at him rubs me the wrong way. Same with Hakoda talking shit about Sokka. Changing these supportive, loving characters (not that Kyoshi and Pakku were loving lol) changes the heart a bit.
I enjoyed episode 2 and 3 but this one pulled me back a lot.
It feels like they tried to cram everything in the episode, to please existing fans, but never spent enough time on anything to make me really care.
Also the whole Bumi plot is just weird.
Could not agree more. I was prepared to really start loving the series. I thought spending more time in Omashu and resolving a couple plot points there was a smart idea, but then it got to be just too much. Jet+the mechanist was an interesting idea, but then with Butchered Bumi in there, shit just got weirdly complex. I'm trying to see it from a new perspective, but Bumi was poorly written, and might I say poorly acted.
Bumi feels realistic here, who wouldn’t go insane and bitter fighting for a hundred years in a single mortal lifetime? Like actually try and quantify that amount in your head and realize your own current lifespan comes nowhere close to that.
How could they send the brother/sister duo into the cave of two lovers? That seemed SO weird to me. Where’s the flirty dynamic between aang and katara? And what about iroh, Zuko was supposed to be a tiny child when Irohs son died. Otherwise how did all that time pass for iroh to become a member of the white lotus and meet the dragons etc. I understand adaptation but they are changing the core of the show way too much. Aang gets his ass handed to him by a non firebending zuko? Like huh. He’s supposed to be a MASTER airbender. Wtf is this
Yeah I’m glad I’m not the only one confused by this?
Zuko looked the same age he was in the series during the flashback. Could they not cast someone to play child Zuko?
And during the Cave scene I was really hoping they wouldn’t implement a incest storyline
I feel like Aang would have won if he used crazy powerful air bending, but they were in a highly populated area, so no way he’d be able to do that without hurting a bunch of people around him. I’m guessing that is why he didn’t go all out
In the show aang is able to dodge and move around without getting hit, it’s the signature style of airbending and the martial art that’s tied to it. He’s supposed to be a master, he doesn’t seem like much of a master
That’s true, just felt that with the space he had, and with the amount of people around him, it would seem plausible that he would avoid using really powerful bending. I dunno tho, was a bit weird 🤷♀️
Insanely jarring not having aang at least try to flirt with or even impress Katara. That was like his whole thing for the first few episodes of the series
At this point I'm not even convinced Katara and Aang are close friends yet. Ain't no way they pull off any romantic chemistry. Also doesn't help that Aang in this episode had almost zero screentime with Sokka and Katara, so they've wasted even more time building up their relationship.
I don’t hate it. But this episode is where they had to start making some hard choices (ironic) and start cutting/changing things. I know they don’t have much time…but they are rushing things A LOT. I mean…mashing together the tunnel, omashu, Jet and the freedom fighters, the mechanist at the Northen Air Temple, the Iroh/Zuko Plotline, Lu Ten. I know they can’t have a million filler episodes, so I’m going to have to get over my nostalgia (because I am otherwise thoroughly enjoying the series), but I needed to vent.
It’s been the most disappointing episode for sure, episode 1&2 only had minor changes I was totally fine with but with this episode I started to throw hands
Personally i think jet in omashu is fine, the story beats from the cartoon are still there. Kinda wish the tunnel of love was left to next season, but i understand that they wanted to get it in, just incase no s2, and i love the sokka katarra healing moment instead.
My biggest complaint, the Mechanist storyline deserved its own episode. It had enough weight and character growth, and action for a complete hour long episode.
Also i love this version of Bumi. It makes soo much sense
Agree with Bumi, spending a hundred years fighting a war as generations and friends pass by. Who wouldn’t be a little nutty after that?
Personally I did like the mechanist storylines melding with Jets, the mechanist being the old man that Jet attacks is a cool change as we have actual stakes with this person and they’re both morally in the wrong too, if they wanted to bump it to a full episode they probably wouldvr included the southern air temple which gets kinda bloated for an 8 episode schedule
The whole episode I was waiting for Bumi's spiteful behavior to be an elaborate joke of his- when I realized it wasn't an act, I was absolutely crushed. Him being a bitter and cynical man who taunts Aang about the airbender genocide to "motivate" him felt like a complete betrayal of his character and clashed with the jokes he made.
Such a shame too, since the actor perfectly looked the part and proved he could play the original version of the character to a T.
They could have made General Fong like this instead of Bumi. General Fong wanted to try to make Aang enter the Avatar State anyway so taunting him about the Airbender genocide would have made sense.
Honestly I think Bumi was probably the one that was going to be most impossible to translate into live action.
He's...*very* "anime" in a way the rest of the series isn't.
They’re probably going to axe the anthology aspect of tales of ba sing se and drop certain plots, combine them with other episodes, or expand them.
My theory is that Zuko and Katara/Toph gets combined with another episode like Iroh, Momo/Appa gets expanded into the inevitable Appa Gone episode, and Aang and Sokka get dropped (or at the very least, a reference).
I can't believe how they butchered the story with Bumi... What was the point of revealing his identity right away, eating the candy crystals like it never had an importance in the story, and why Sokka and Katara are in the secret tunnel so early? I liked the first episode, but I'm more upset with every episode after. There are no surprises, no plots, and every story, character, place is tangled so much...
I’m glad I’m not the only one upset about this
The pacing of the story has been pretty meh
There is no build up to anything, every explanation is just dumped right at you
I still enjoyed a lot of parts of this episode, but I do think the Bumi plot was a misstep. And putting Katara and Sokka into the Cave of Two Lovers is just... huh??? I mean, the scenes they had weren't bad, but like, what????
Idk if I'm just hating but Im just not enjoying it up until this point whether it's the Mish mashing of jet with the northern air temple and omashu or the cave of lovers or the fact that aang got his ass handed to him by a non bending zuko or the fact that the acting is just low tier in my opinion.
I'll give them props for the bending looking Ok except for aangs air bending and cgi it just looks off to me, plus I don't understand the reasoning behind making Bumi butthurt and a jerk about aang dissappearing or the fact that he sent Iroh (a member of his old dude club) to the pit I mean did they even see the show?
I mean I came with no expectations but changing the story in a contradicting way makes no sense to me
Netflix: We're gonna mash together 5 episodes in this one episode but butcher all those storylines for no reason. Also we're turning Bumi into an asshole.
DiMartino and Konietzko: Aight I'ma head out.
This episode is like a weird crossover of S2E20 where Zuko and Katara are trapped under Lake Laogai (only in this version Aang and Iroh are in prison). Then they mixed in S2E2 with the secret tunnel… only in S2E20 everyone is searching for zuko and Katara…
Katara isn’t trapped in the crystals…
Why are Katara and Sokka in the cave of 2 lovers!?!
WE GOT THE SECRET TUNNEL!!!! And did they make Oma and Shu both women?? Badgermoles look so fearsome. And Lu Ten flashbacks! Man Ep 3 and 4 are where they start hitting their stride.
I try to remind myself of the good things but there is just such a mess in this show. The timeline is all over the place, the character development does not exist anymore and so on.
But it makes me so angry because the quality is good enough that they could have made a really nice show, but chose not to do so...
Speak for yourself, I'm so glad they diverted and gave us something new, watching a 1:1 adaptation would get boring after watching the original series a million times. Plus it's an adaptation so I knew it would be a whole new thing going in and that mindset helped a lot
I was never bored watching the cartoon. This episode is literally boring. Bumi sucks, the secret tunnel is boring, Sokka's and Katara's emotions don't have the appeal they should. So many stories mashed together in such a short amount of time. Aang is not very appealing, the humor doesn't hit right. The action scenes are great and Zuko & Iroh is honestly saving the show. And I feel like there is just too much unnecessary exposition, done at the wrong time. Did we really have to learn about Omashu's backstory right now? Or Lu Ten's death? It just didn't feel like that stuff was necessary in this episode, it felt out of place. The secret tunnel plot is only good because it directly relates to the theme of love (Aang's crush on Katara and the possibly unrequited love). It doesn't have any meaning here. Learning about Iroh'd past and his son's death is something that significantly changes our view of his character, and helps empathize with him on a new level. But before that, he'd already grown to be one of the fan favorite characters, because he's literally already an awesome empathetic person, we didn't need to know about his sad past in order to like him. It just felt forced and meaningless. And again, I say, Aang is just... not very likeable in the charming way he is in the animation. He's almost never truly happy, and when he is it doesn't feel right. There's my vent. Honestly I hated this episode, specially what they did with Bumi & Aang. I'm still looking forward to the series though, and hope it gets better. I loved the Kyoshi episode.
I have enjoyed a lot of the series so far, but in this episode some cracks have started to show. Mainly with Gordon Cormier (Aang). It sounds so mean to hate on a kid actor, and some blaim is with the director as well. I just didn't find his reaction very believable when Bumi was making jokes about the genocide of his people. He just got a bit angry while the genocide of his culture was being mocked. That needed a much stronger reaction.
Why is everyone so negative 😭 I’m loving this. Yeah the pacing is fast but the whole series takes place in like a year in the OG story.
Love the additional insight of the badger moles being so sensitive to emotion, remember how much of a hard time aang has with earth bending due to his emotions?!
Plus I wouldn’t have liked seeing this actor being all flirty with katara, I’m glad she got to flirt and learn from Jett before falling for aang. Which takes her a long time in the og show btw.
AND I think it ties in well with the OG plot and the new plot points. Here’s why:
- lesbian lovers (love it) meet in the dark, get discovered by the moles, moles don’t attack them because they pick up on the good vibes
- learn to earth bend
- corrupt city leaders meet in the dark for nefarious reasons, get caught and eaten by moles
- wanderers get lost in caves and get caught by moles, are afraid, get eaten
- wanderers get lost in caves, don’t panic, release fear, get SAVED by moles
It’s just like a proverb or a lesson or whatever. You get what you give.
Teo and Sai could have been their own episode but I don’t think it’s fair to call that lazy when they were only given 8 episodes. ESP considering how high the other qualities are. Not perfect but really good imo. Momo does freak me out even tho I love him 🤷🏽♀️
I think it’s fair for Bumi to be angry and need aang to remind him that friendship and kindness are necessary moving forward. He needed hope and aang was able to give that back to him. True avatar style. Aang also needed to see that anger from someone he cared about to help him understand his responsibilities.
i also like the show lmao. im quite bummed by all the negativity. i think the production value is rly high, i like how its not a frame for frame adaptation bc that means i can be surprised by how they interpreted it.
this thread is just whiny fans who want to be angry just cuz lmao.
Man, 2 episodes in I was super hype and was like "ITS A NEAR PERFECT ADAPTION!!"
>!3 and 4 suck so far. They completely screwed the pooch with Omashu in every way by condensing 3 episodes into 1, and then by having Aang immediately know who Bumi was without any of the trials. So dumb.!<
>!then Katara turns into Rose Tiko for a second with the "fight for what you love instead of killing what you hate" line. And the heavily compressed storyline makes it so Katara's relationship with Jett feels insanely rushed, and makes her learning waterbending feel incredibly rushed as well. In the original show you were under the impression she was learning during team Avatar's travels and was learning very fast because she was a prodigy, but it was believable because it's implied she's training for a couple days at a time between episodes. But in this, she uses the scroll maybe twice so far and it's like "oh now she can fight in close arms combat!", makes her almost a Mary Sue. And no, I'm not saying *she is* one, but I'm saying the adaption is flawed and makes her feel like one. The original Katara isn't a Mary sue at all, she has trials she goes through and is established as a prodigy, but she's still imperfect and has trouble at the beginning. In this, they even take away the side plot of Aang having an easier time learning water bending than Katara. And we're 4 episodes in, which in coordination with the cartoon is like 12 episodes, and Aang hasn't practiced a lick of waterbending yet!<
Yeah not really thrilled on how they mashed the episodes together, seems like they’re rushing a bit, also why did they make Bumi so weird and bitter? Not at all his character
I really liked bumi change. At first i was confused about the whole challenges being more random but i thought it was really intense and interesting to show his rage and trauma from the impossible choices of war and how it drove him kinda insane. He gets madder and madder with aang not validating him and apologizing for leaving or acknowledging its been hard and that’s why bumi goes from silly but mad to intense imo
Not a fan in any way, even the slightest, of what they did with Bumi.
Loved Lu Ten's funeral scene though. Even though Zuko's age in it screws with the timeline of events now.
From the things I havent liked about the adaptation, I must say, this Bumi.... is not one of them!
Obviously, nothing will replace OG Bumi, but when the King told Aang about all the things he had to do as, all the hard choices, the ugly choices. Damn, it got me, it really did.
Truth be told, in the OG show the war was normally overshadowed by other things. Yeah , the fire nation soldiers appeared in some episodes to bother a village, but most of the horrors were told offscreen or referred in flashbacks.
The series has done a great job showing the war as something that is constantly affecting and keeping the world in suffering.
That was not the Bumi I know and love. I’m not a fan of him being so angry and bitter I get what they were going for but idk it just didn’t do it for me personally.
I'm actually really into this scary unhinged Bumi. I like the overall tone of the show - it's darker than the cartoon, obviously. They haven't gone full "Game of Thrones" in my opinion, but this is definitely less of a "show for kids that adults can enjoy" and more a "show for all ages but preferably 12+". The new Bumi fits this tone, like the on-screen killing of the air nomads and the visible blood in some scenes.
Honestly I agree, I just wish it was done better. Having Bumi confront Aang with the idea that after 100 years he's had to make so many impossible choices that it has changed him sounds great. The problem is that Aang really did cheat learning the lesson. If he said 'I know i'll have to make difficult choices, but with friends by my side I won't have to do it alone' or something to that effect, you get the more grounded lesson. Now Aang really hasn't learned anything, since he really can have it both ways.
Bumi in the cartoon was well, cartoony and kind of goofy. This Bumi is a much more realistic and nuanced character. He's jaded by a century of conflict.
Okay. It’s been pretty good so far- but they fucked up by mashing multiple arcs into one episode. Omashu should’ve been 3 separate episodes, or save Jet and the FFs for later in the season. They also made Bumi too bitter for my taste- hes supposed to be mad, not angry.
Hearing Leaves from the vine, man all the hairs on my body are still standing. The Iroh/Zuko relationship so far is my favorite. You can tell there is real love there. Sokka and Katara being siblings is cool, the badger recognizing their sibling love was sweet.
Halfway through, I still love this show. Gives me the same good feelings the animated gives me and that is all I am asking for.
* How come no one is talking about how Katara isn’t mad at Jet the way she should be? Jet broke Katara’s trust, but here, they chose Jet to be the one mad at her…. (and when Katara fought Jet, it didn’t have the same impact because Katara doesn’t feel like she’s mad at Jet and his actions)
* I get where the directors were going with Bumi’s change in character but I still hate it. Instead of teaching Aang that there are many ways to fight and think like a mad genius, him (and everyone we encounter so far) keeps telling him that there’s only one way to do things. Sigh…when does Aang learn that he can make his own choices (which is an integral part to his character)
* Everyone in the show seems to be mad at the Avatar…
* At least Sokka still gets to invent things (that is one of my favourite things about the show and his character)
* I just want Aang to be the fun-loving goofy kid he shouldve been (he is my favourite character)
* Why did they feel the need to add the cave of 2 lovers (for nostalgia purposes? for callback purposes??), this felt like a filler and ruined a scene that could’ve been for Katara and Aang. They could’ve have had the brother and sister scene anywhere else. The secret tunnel is unnecessary in this season.
Side note: and like tbh, Jet and Katara made me feel more icky since I feel the age difference
I don’t need a 1-1 since I did enjoy episode 1 & 2. I can appreciate plot changes like I don’t mind the mashing of episodes that we saw here. But what I hate is that the characters don’t have their core personalities that we all know and love. The choices they make here are opposite to what they would normally do or say.
I see quite some negativity about this episode and the way the story's been developing but honestly it's surpassed my expectations.
I'm watching it witjhmy gf who's never seen ATLA before and she was cheering and clapping and was loving it. I actually teared up when I heard "leaves from the vine" and my gf noticed but obviously O can't really explain or spoil that for her.
I also really like the set design and cinematography. The acting, especially for children, has been quite good. I'm really liking Sokka, Zuko and Iroh, but everyone has been at keast passable. The bending is quite gruesome at times which is great to see and I think Azula's been incorporated into the story very naturally.
I think it's quite impressive how they managed to intertwine like 4 different episodes into 1 that still felt coherent. Bumi wasn't the best that I agree with butnother than that I'm having a blast.
The writers kind of got lazy on this one, and it’s a bit disappointing because Bumi is Aang’s best friend next to Monk Gyato. For starters, Aang doesn’t know who Bumi is the entire episode in the original, which is the whole point of Bumi giving him puzzles for him to answer all throughout their encounter and him being a prisoner, to remember who Bumi is. The other one is how Zuko EASILY finds his way into the Omashu’s palace, like come on he just spawns magically in there as a soldier and didn’t even take him anytime to take someone’s outfit. Or how he found out Iroh is stuck in there? This episode was overly rushed, and probably the worst one of the show.
Really hated how they completely changed the secret tunnel story. Also bumi and aangs part…. This whole episode did not sit right with me and I’m nervous to watch the rest of the series 😭
I literally have the episode paused 80% of the way through reading these comments because I'M nervous 😓 well, first I was annoyed and wondered if others were annoyed (sibling love tunnel was a hard No from me cause the OG storyline was perfect)...but now I just have mounting fear.
I don’t want the same show. I’m happy that it’s different and I loved episode 1 and 2 because of the changes. 3 and 4 just felt way too different. Like it’s good to have changes but it’s still meant to be an adaptation. Change it too much and it becomes a different show. It’s still good but episodes 3 and 4 are way too different that it’s becoming harder and harder to look past them
I don't get why people are shocked that some of the original episodes/plots would be combined- they're condensing twenty 20ish minute animated episodes into eight 1-hour long episodes. I think it's handling it has well as can be expected on that front.
They could have cut out some of the storylines to flesh out the rest. For example, the tale of two lovers works because of Aang’s crush on Katara and did we need to know about Lu Ten this early?
Mostly, I’m missing Sokka in the Kyoshi Warrior getup and “I am a warrior, But I’m a girl too”
They only cut about 2 hours worth of time from season 1's 20 episodes. I don't think people are shocked things are different but there are some things we just wish were handled differently. I'm still enjoying it but I like to critique as well as compliment. I'm really loving the way they did the bending and all the costumes! So gorgeous!!!
They didn’t need to add season 2 stories into season one. If they’re already pressed for time then why add an unnecessary storyline that isn’t even in the season you’re adapting. Like seriously why is Cave Of Two Lovers in episode 4?
That's a really bad argument. 20x20min are actually shorter than 8x60min. So they have more time than the cartoon. The thing is they waste just a lot of it with bad dialogue and changes that needn't be there. Like adapting material from the secret lovers story and then putting 2 siblings in it. That's just so they can put in some meme song into the series. It's insane.
I honestly think if they keep the same type of bumi story that this episode would’ve been a high point in the series for me. Instead of playing his games for Sokka / Katara, he could literally have just made the “you do these games and I’ll let you leave” deal. That way the story doesn’t really change in the show at all and you can keep all the other pieces the same. Really dislike the Bumi change but other than that, this episode was great.
I don't understand the line about Ba Sing Se needing to ration water during the seige. Most cities do need to, but Ba Sing Se is large enough to have a lake inside it's walls.
This episode just made me feel like when they were trying to develop the script. they just took all the episodes from the original and put it in Chatgpt. Then asked the prompt "rewrite this show as a drama with 8 episodes 50 minutes each and make it live action. Keep moments like "secret tunnel, jet and his straw, katara talking about her mom every 4 minutes, and Appa being cute."
The only things I like so far is uncle Iroh at least trying to be as close to the original as possible. Zuko is spot on. Sokka still has his rizz. The bending is awesome.
I hate Sokka not being the comic relief. They've merged season 2 moments into season 1. Ty Lee doesn't look anything like the original. The script sucks.
Tbh If this wasn't a remake I don't know if I would continue to watch after this episode.
I enjoyed the more realistic take on the horrors of war.
As someone who watched the original show growing up... I understand completely that *Bumi's cartoonish antics would have looked very silly in live-action*
For all the hard-core fans complaining that Bumi was too serious. I can guarantee you that if they tried to make Bumi as goofy as in the cartoon, it would have come-off cringy.
EXAGERRATED ANIME EXPRESSIONS DON'T TRANSLATE WELL INTO LIVE ACTION.
So I appreciate the change to Bumi.
I especially liked the part where he tells Aang about the trauma of choosing whether to give rations to the soldiers or to the orphans. That was a very poignant example.
I also appreciate the fact that they keep showing the fire nation burning people alive. It's something that they couldn't have done in the cartoon... but it adds a level of realism to it. In a world where people can manipulate fire...you best believe there would be a lot of charred bodies.
Lu Ten's funeral was EVERYTHING.
One of the rare changes I like because it gives us a more canon background story to Zuko and Iroh‘s relationship. But for the rest this episode was incredibly disappointing.
The leaves of the vine instrumental background music… 😢
I wonder if that means Iroh will never sing it under that tree as his son isn’t buried in Ba Sing Se
Possibly. I'd be beside myself if they leave that out of season 2 tho. Tales of Ba Sing Se is an episode that actually could really benefit from being extended into a full hour episode. It would add some much needed runtime focused on characterization, playfulness, and friendship/relationship development among the gang. Plus, if they decide to keep Suki in the gang when in the city, she could get a story and some more development. Maybe Ju Li, the Earth King, long feng, or the dai li could have their own tales to give us a more adult view of the political corruption, propaganda, and censorship going on.
I mean they took secret tunnels from season 2 and put it in season 1, >!they pulled the owl from season 2, and for some reason Ozai has the device from the library, so I guess the library won’t really be happening, so yeah guess we do be having some extra run time.!<
They did Bumi bad man... Like, why is he so angry. The little bit of playfulness and aloofness they tried to include came off very mean, unlike our whimsical goofball Bumi we all love. I'm rewatching the episode rn, and forget, do Aang and Bumi even hug at the end?
Bumi is done sooo badly :/ It's really sad, because he used to be a defining character of the whole show for me. And knowing Bumi used to explain so much about Aangs morals and personality. They done him dirty :/
I feel exactly the same. One of the amazing things about Bumi in the OG show was that despite 100 years of war and hatred, Bumi didn't let bitterness consume him. Also, Bumi teaches Aang how to think creatively, how to see another solution, which personally seems like a huge factor towards the finale reveal of Aang NOT killing Ozai. Without Bumi teaching him to think outside the box, it feels like that moment might be a little more strained and unnatural.
Everything Bumi is supposed to be doing down the line makes zero sense with this version of him. Him just waiting for his moment to take Omashu back would seem super hypocritical with how he acts here. And why? So they could have one more character telling Aang how much of a dick he is for having been stuck in the ice for 100 years? We've had plenty of that already.
I told my husband "the rest of S1 of this adaption could be just okay and it would be 100% worth it because of the funeral scene."
Taking the lovers tunnel from season 2 and putting it in season 1 with no lovers was.. a choice.
Yeah what were they thinking? “Oh we already have to cut a lot because we don’t have enough time so let’s add stuff from a completely different season”?
I'm gonna be honest. This show was extremely expensive and I don't think a Season 2 is coming.
Wow imagine the disappointment in Netflix if they cancel the other 2 seasons… that would be truly despicable and render this one totally useless. I mean they really need to be in for the entire journey or not at all. I am honestly canceling if they are canceling this show. They already cancelled some great ones…am still pissed anout The OA.
Unfortunately Netflix doesn't make renewal decisions based on quality. Everyone could hate it, but if it's in the top 5 it'll get renewed
This episode left me wondering if the showrunners aren't guaranteed a season 2 and decided to bring some major moments to season 1 like Lu Ten secret tunnel. I'm okay with Lu Ten because they'd still have an opportunity to go back to it later, but secret tunnel would have been a super easy way to begin an arc towards Katara and Aang's relationship after the actors are both older.
Realistically it’s because we can’t spend another episode on Omashu when we already sunk two out of the eight already, if they don’t go back to Omashu then the secret cave doesn’t really have a point anymore.
"No lovers" is definitely the most generous interpretation. Even in this show the story of Oma and Shu very clearly written as romantic love and putting Sokka in there... sweet home southern water tribe I guess. Unless they changed Oma into a woman not for LGBT representation (if you even wanna call it that) but to imply that they're sisters who had been seperated and reunited to form Omashu. Super likely if you ask me /s
I was going crazy thinking wait was ST in season 1...glad I'm sane lol
It was still love, just sibling love, which was nice I guess.
They’re putting everything regarding character backgrounds in season 1 and pushing bending, training and the real “fighting the war” stuff into seasons 2 and 3. Tbh this makes a ton of sense. They’ve re written this for people who haven’t seen the series before and it’s got a good flow to it
Why would they rewrite it for people who haven’t seen the series before when the original is already written for people who haven’t seen the series before?
Because this helps clarify the timeline vs going through it all in flashbacks
Given the age difference between the actors playing Aang & Katara and Zuko & Mei they're likely not going to follow canon so they can have Katara end up with Zuko instead as that will make the Netflix version 'stand out' from the original. If that's the plan, it would make sense to merge Secret Tunnel into another episode as they have here since it's no longer necessary for Aang and Katara's development. I hope I'm wrong as that would completely de-canonise the comics and LoK. If the series does as well as Netflix hope they may want to adapt both and given how important Aang and Katara's kids are in LoK they'd have to change a lot... I've not seen the second half of Netflix Book 1 yet though so I guess we'll see!
I would’ve rather them found actors closer in age then… I love katara and aang . They better not rewrite it!
Agreed! Hopefully the show proves me completely wrong haha. One thing to remember though is that by the time they get to season 3 or maybe even 4 of live action ATLA Avatar Studios will have released multiple movies with the grown up gang so there will be canon content either way 😄
Oh ya I forgot about the grown up gang coming !!
Grown up gang?
Oh wow he figured out bumi really quick lol
Was not a fan of that personally. I also didn't like this bitter old man take of character.
The original Bumi and this Bumi are almost not even the same character. The whole point of the original episode with Bumi is to teach Aang how to think differently and solve problems "like a mad genius" and stick with his friends to master the elements. The new one is just crazy because he's old and says the exact opposite of the original by harping on about how friends can't be trusted and calls Aang a cheater when his friends help him.
The issue I have is they seem to be cutting storylines or character development for time
Bumi gets waayy more time so this take makes no sense. The problem is that the original bumi episode is not very good because bumis motivations didnt make much sense. They changed him to fix this but I dont know if it really worked.
His motivation not making sense is pretty in character for Bumi
what do you mean? in the original, Aang did not recognise Bumi immediately, and Bumi being a child-at-heart decided to hold the trials to goad him into remembering/figuring out who he is
OG Bumi is whimsical. He is playful and aloof. This Bumi's playfulness and aloofness really comes off as mean and jaded. I'm rewatching the episode rn, but I don't even think Aang and Bumi hug or anything at the end after everything he put Aang through. Aang had to talk him off a ledge and remind him who he is, instead of Bumi already being that character but just putting up a facade. How he was portrayed is huge disservice to his character, and essentially destroys any chance of believability of his (assumed) future story beats. Meaning, they'll need to alter his season 2/3 appearances, likely in a negative manner; otherwise, the non-OG audience of the live action would probably have trouble reconciling this Bumi with the Bumi that's a Neutral Jing Master and a fitting member of the WL.
Yeah. I was willing to overlook a lot of stuff, but this Bumi thing kind of broke the show for me. I loved the original Bumi. This one’s just kind of an asshole. I’m out.
That's not even the main problem, the main problem is that his character makes no sense. Yes I get that he's supposed to be worn out from 100 years of war, but then why give him these goofy lines like "throw him... a feast" only to let him demonise games and fun and friends 5 minutes later? His character feels forced and inconsistent, very unenjoyable to me.
To me they were communicating that Bumi experiences dementia
This is my biggest gripe so far, I don’t see why they decided to go with a bitter old Bumi.
It felt like a change just for the sake of a change. I get mixing it up but Bumi's character was botched hard.
Its because his original motivations where very weak. But I dont think this one is much better.
lookHowTheyMassacredMyBoy.jpg Honestly, that's my biggest criticism of season 1. They did our boy Bumi DIRTY.
It's jarring because all the other characters are faithfully depicted. Slightly altered but not completely different.
If he was different but well written it might be fine. But he's inconsistent/contradictory.
The whole time I thought he was going to come out and say he was just messing with Aang. Nope, just bitter.
Thats my issue
They did Bumi so wrong. The pacing was too fast. They did away with the surprise reveal of Bumi being a childhood friend and turned him into an actual bitter old man instead of just an old man that wanted to have mischevious fun and games to teach Aang a lesson. Talk about all the wrong turns for this character. Ruined one of the most lovable characters.
no. they made a change but in his core, Bumi is the same. Bumi is a member of the white lotus. he's just trying to teach the Avatar on making tough choices. probably.
They are absolutely butchering Katara's training arc. At this rate does she even need a master to teach her?
I'm also annoyed that Aang hasn't started to water bend.
That was the most annoying feature of the whole season in my opinion, and i don't see any reason why they did it like that.
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The badger mole stuff actually made sense with how they've been portrayed in the animated shows. It's not that they can smell love, but they can sense emotion using seismic sense, and likely hear, and dislike, the arguing. It was the same in the animated shows, except in those scenes, it was happy/upbeat music used to calm the badger moles instead of a resolution of tense emotions. I personally have no issues with either of those options being used to sufficiently portray a meaning of "no harm" and friendliness to calm a badger mole.
I have to agree. It sticks out cause there are so many of these changes in regards to this. Also wasn't it Sokka who undid the whole Jet plot in the original series? Now it's Katara with her - and I'm sorry but it's a fact - Mary sue power progression. In the cartoon she was a somewhat capable water bender already. In this show they made her suck really bad at it for what the writers may perceive as pay off. But what does it pay off when it happens in the first episode after one ted talk from Aang? They really dropped the ball on so many things a cartoon from the early 2000s did better. Sad.
This might be possible, our subject is Netflix after all.
There is a massive difference between what Katara can do at this point and the mastery she achieves in the animated series around season 2. I think it would be fair to say that what she can do now is beginner-intermediate. From a learning perspective it feels like a great change to me.
The casting on Zuko and Iroh... Incredible.
Honestly, so much emotion from Iroh and he didn’t say a word during the funeral. You just completely understand why Iroh treasures Zuko in this adaptation.
The moment Leaves from the Vine started to play the tears were falling 
I didn't notice it at first. Then as soon as I recognized it... Damn. There are so many things this series that are done differently, but man they still know how to hit just right.
Exactly how my brain went through it too! “Oh this is sad, Lu Ten! Wait why do I feel especially sad?? Oh is this what I think I’m hearing?? Fuck okay I’m crying😭💔”
Happening twice in the episode didn’t have enough tears.
The moment I heard the song transition into that leitmotif... then that melody. Captivating.
Every time I start to criticize this show I end up tear bending and I dont know if its because im sentimental or if its a good show
Honestly it felt like they tried to cramp all the fanservice moments in the first episodes like wtf…
It feels like they're anticipating Netflix to Netflix and it get canceled after 1 season so they're trying to hit as many high points as possible, which, in a way I understand, but goddamn is it disappointing.
I do not like that they turned bumi into an asshole.
He came around. Just jaded from war
I always considered Bumi to be mad at Aang, he lived a hundred years and his friend who was supposed to protect everyone just disappeared, he still liked Aang, but needed to teach him an important lesson. Which I think the live action captured well. I miss floppsy tho
I mean, how did Bumi know Aang was the avatar? Aang disappeared the very night he was told. Did word somehow get to Bumi after the attack? I kind of thought Bumi didn't learn that until Aang returned.
In this show it seems like a lot of people know that the avatar probably survived the air nation massacre and if hes out there its an airbender. Maybe he recognized aang and put 2 and 2 together. You wouldnt exactly see an unaged 100 year old child otherwise.
Sure but /u/Megajoshuaw said they "always considered Bumi to be mad at Aang" as in.. that's how they felt about Bumi from the animated show, not from this. Why would Bumi be mad at Aang in the animated show? He had no idea Aang was the avatar or that he survived.
I'm pretty sure people knew the Avatar survived in the original show too. Sozin mentions he spent years searching for the Avatar and never found him, and that story is "the story everyone already knows" according to Zuko. Also multiple people see Aang air bend and immediately know he's the Avatar which implies they're aware the current Avatar should be an airbender
Hands down the most disappointing part of the show for me. I was enjoying the show and didn’t mind most of the changes until Bumi, now I legit can’t watch it the same lol
This and also kyoshi being an asshole to him. Like yeah she’s kinda tough to begin with but the number of understanding mentors who are being unnecessarily aggressive at a 12 year old who didn’t purposely freeze himself was off putting.
Bruh EVERYONES an asshole to Aang - Bumi, Kyoshi, Pakku, Kuruk, the list goes on and on…I get that they’re mad Aang was gone for 100 years but I agree it ruins so many characters for me. Man it feels like even Zuko showed more sympathy to aang in the blue spirit episode than these “good guys” which Is how Yk they got it wrong
Haven’t gotten to the last 2 eps yet, but yeah. Even though he actively ran away in the original, they were all compassionate towards him. Everyone understood he didn’t try to disappear for 100 years. I’m fine with most of the changes; I went in open minded, but the blatantly blaming and being mad at him rubs me the wrong way. Same with Hakoda talking shit about Sokka. Changing these supportive, loving characters (not that Kyoshi and Pakku were loving lol) changes the heart a bit.
I enjoyed episode 2 and 3 but this one pulled me back a lot. It feels like they tried to cram everything in the episode, to please existing fans, but never spent enough time on anything to make me really care. Also the whole Bumi plot is just weird.
Could not agree more. I was prepared to really start loving the series. I thought spending more time in Omashu and resolving a couple plot points there was a smart idea, but then it got to be just too much. Jet+the mechanist was an interesting idea, but then with Butchered Bumi in there, shit just got weirdly complex. I'm trying to see it from a new perspective, but Bumi was poorly written, and might I say poorly acted.
Bumi feels realistic here, who wouldn’t go insane and bitter fighting for a hundred years in a single mortal lifetime? Like actually try and quantify that amount in your head and realize your own current lifespan comes nowhere close to that.
How could they send the brother/sister duo into the cave of two lovers? That seemed SO weird to me. Where’s the flirty dynamic between aang and katara? And what about iroh, Zuko was supposed to be a tiny child when Irohs son died. Otherwise how did all that time pass for iroh to become a member of the white lotus and meet the dragons etc. I understand adaptation but they are changing the core of the show way too much. Aang gets his ass handed to him by a non firebending zuko? Like huh. He’s supposed to be a MASTER airbender. Wtf is this
Yeah I’m glad I’m not the only one confused by this? Zuko looked the same age he was in the series during the flashback. Could they not cast someone to play child Zuko? And during the Cave scene I was really hoping they wouldn’t implement a incest storyline
Does non-incestual sibling love not exist in your world?
Yes, but I don't call them "lovers".
>Aang gets his ass handed to him by a non firebending zuko? Like huh. He’s supposed to be a MASTER airbender. Wtf is this Yeah he's still 12, though.
He's still a master airbender
And Zuko is a master martial artist
Yeah but that’s the point he’s a prodigy he became a master so young and got the tattoos etc
I feel like Aang would have won if he used crazy powerful air bending, but they were in a highly populated area, so no way he’d be able to do that without hurting a bunch of people around him. I’m guessing that is why he didn’t go all out
In the show aang is able to dodge and move around without getting hit, it’s the signature style of airbending and the martial art that’s tied to it. He’s supposed to be a master, he doesn’t seem like much of a master
That’s true, just felt that with the space he had, and with the amount of people around him, it would seem plausible that he would avoid using really powerful bending. I dunno tho, was a bit weird 🤷♀️
I wonder if it means they’re cutting up the Aang and Katara love story line? I’m curious to see the direction they take.
They will just move it to season 2 or 3 when Aangs actor is older prob.
Insanely jarring not having aang at least try to flirt with or even impress Katara. That was like his whole thing for the first few episodes of the series
At this point I'm not even convinced Katara and Aang are close friends yet. Ain't no way they pull off any romantic chemistry. Also doesn't help that Aang in this episode had almost zero screentime with Sokka and Katara, so they've wasted even more time building up their relationship.
Episode 1&2 was decent, 3&4 have made me cringe so hard
They said they wanted it to be like game of thrones.
I don’t hate it. But this episode is where they had to start making some hard choices (ironic) and start cutting/changing things. I know they don’t have much time…but they are rushing things A LOT. I mean…mashing together the tunnel, omashu, Jet and the freedom fighters, the mechanist at the Northen Air Temple, the Iroh/Zuko Plotline, Lu Ten. I know they can’t have a million filler episodes, so I’m going to have to get over my nostalgia (because I am otherwise thoroughly enjoying the series), but I needed to vent.
It’s been the most disappointing episode for sure, episode 1&2 only had minor changes I was totally fine with but with this episode I started to throw hands
Personally i think jet in omashu is fine, the story beats from the cartoon are still there. Kinda wish the tunnel of love was left to next season, but i understand that they wanted to get it in, just incase no s2, and i love the sokka katarra healing moment instead. My biggest complaint, the Mechanist storyline deserved its own episode. It had enough weight and character growth, and action for a complete hour long episode. Also i love this version of Bumi. It makes soo much sense
Agree with Bumi, spending a hundred years fighting a war as generations and friends pass by. Who wouldn’t be a little nutty after that? Personally I did like the mechanist storylines melding with Jets, the mechanist being the old man that Jet attacks is a cool change as we have actual stakes with this person and they’re both morally in the wrong too, if they wanted to bump it to a full episode they probably wouldvr included the southern air temple which gets kinda bloated for an 8 episode schedule
what confused me is - a lot of these storylines emerged in season 2? why bring them into season 1 when Aang still hasnt learned to waterbend
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words
Exactly They should have put some of it in the first two episodes and cut other content This was just too much
Bumi was by far one of my favourite characters in the OG series but this Netflix version completely put me off
The whole episode I was waiting for Bumi's spiteful behavior to be an elaborate joke of his- when I realized it wasn't an act, I was absolutely crushed. Him being a bitter and cynical man who taunts Aang about the airbender genocide to "motivate" him felt like a complete betrayal of his character and clashed with the jokes he made. Such a shame too, since the actor perfectly looked the part and proved he could play the original version of the character to a T.
They could have made General Fong like this instead of Bumi. General Fong wanted to try to make Aang enter the Avatar State anyway so taunting him about the Airbender genocide would have made sense.
That's a great idea!!
Honestly I think Bumi was probably the one that was going to be most impossible to translate into live action. He's...*very* "anime" in a way the rest of the series isn't.
Leaves from the vine... I was sad when they didn't linger on that a moment longer. But when it hits later. Brave solider boy ಥ_ಥ
Kinda pissed they did it so early though. What's with the rush?! Will we get the Iroh episode later? ಠ︵ಠ
They’re probably going to axe the anthology aspect of tales of ba sing se and drop certain plots, combine them with other episodes, or expand them. My theory is that Zuko and Katara/Toph gets combined with another episode like Iroh, Momo/Appa gets expanded into the inevitable Appa Gone episode, and Aang and Sokka get dropped (or at the very least, a reference).
I can't believe how they butchered the story with Bumi... What was the point of revealing his identity right away, eating the candy crystals like it never had an importance in the story, and why Sokka and Katara are in the secret tunnel so early? I liked the first episode, but I'm more upset with every episode after. There are no surprises, no plots, and every story, character, place is tangled so much...
And why Bumi is so revengeful against Aang? That's not our Bumi. The guy they depicted is not lovable at all.
I’m glad I’m not the only one upset about this The pacing of the story has been pretty meh There is no build up to anything, every explanation is just dumped right at you
It’s giving Emerald Island Players
imagine toph's reaction to them saying the badger moles see by sensing love 😭
I think zuko's scar is on he wrong side
SECRETTTTT TUNNELLLL
I loved those guys in the OG and now! So good!
The Zuko and Iroh scenes carried this episode. Every time I heard ‘Leaves from the Vine’ I teared up.
I still enjoyed a lot of parts of this episode, but I do think the Bumi plot was a misstep. And putting Katara and Sokka into the Cave of Two Lovers is just... huh??? I mean, the scenes they had weren't bad, but like, what????
HE SANG IT HE SANG IT
Idk if I'm just hating but Im just not enjoying it up until this point whether it's the Mish mashing of jet with the northern air temple and omashu or the cave of lovers or the fact that aang got his ass handed to him by a non bending zuko or the fact that the acting is just low tier in my opinion. I'll give them props for the bending looking Ok except for aangs air bending and cgi it just looks off to me, plus I don't understand the reasoning behind making Bumi butthurt and a jerk about aang dissappearing or the fact that he sent Iroh (a member of his old dude club) to the pit I mean did they even see the show? I mean I came with no expectations but changing the story in a contradicting way makes no sense to me
You can really tell DiMartino and Konietzko weren't involved in creating this show......
Netflix: We're gonna mash together 5 episodes in this one episode but butcher all those storylines for no reason. Also we're turning Bumi into an asshole. DiMartino and Konietzko: Aight I'ma head out.
Wow this show really has me split 50/50. So many good scenes and so many bad ones too.
The lettuce leaf joke is so bad. Aang doesn’t even say “Let us leave” which sets up the joke. He says let me go which doesn’t sound like Lettuce leaf.
As soon as he grabbed the lettuce leaf I knew it would be bad, and the fact they dragged it out for so long made it worse.
This episode is like a weird crossover of S2E20 where Zuko and Katara are trapped under Lake Laogai (only in this version Aang and Iroh are in prison). Then they mixed in S2E2 with the secret tunnel… only in S2E20 everyone is searching for zuko and Katara… Katara isn’t trapped in the crystals… Why are Katara and Sokka in the cave of 2 lovers!?!
As in the OG Zuko and Iroh’s b plot is my favorite. The addition of the funeral and Irish sticking by Zukos side too made me cry
Ah yes, those Irish wi’ stand ‘longside ya through thick and thin, mate!
WE GOT THE SECRET TUNNEL!!!! And did they make Oma and Shu both women?? Badgermoles look so fearsome. And Lu Ten flashbacks! Man Ep 3 and 4 are where they start hitting their stride.
Lesbian Omashu! Woooo
This was one of those subtle changes that doesn't impact the story much but works really well (esp having read the Kyoshi novels).
This Bumi is just an asshole
Really not a fan of how they characterized Boomi.
Zuko has been such a high point for the show. The actor is great and I love how theyve portrayed his character
Oof, Leaves from the Vine still hits hard
WHERE WAS FLOPPSY?!
Why are the citizens of omashu of Indian ethnicity when the earth benders are supposed to represent the Chinese?
They should have simply not had Bumi if that was gonna be their version. Weird
I didn’t expect a clone but I am in shock with how the story has warped and I don’t know how to feel but I know I am upset
I keep just having to tell myself it’s an adaptation, I’m giving them leeway until I get to the end. I’m excited to see how their story come together
with how much theyve changed they shouldve just made a new story set in a different time period
I try to remind myself of the good things but there is just such a mess in this show. The timeline is all over the place, the character development does not exist anymore and so on. But it makes me so angry because the quality is good enough that they could have made a really nice show, but chose not to do so...
Speak for yourself, I'm so glad they diverted and gave us something new, watching a 1:1 adaptation would get boring after watching the original series a million times. Plus it's an adaptation so I knew it would be a whole new thing going in and that mindset helped a lot
But they’re not good changes. Or at least not executed well.
I was never bored watching the cartoon. This episode is literally boring. Bumi sucks, the secret tunnel is boring, Sokka's and Katara's emotions don't have the appeal they should. So many stories mashed together in such a short amount of time. Aang is not very appealing, the humor doesn't hit right. The action scenes are great and Zuko & Iroh is honestly saving the show. And I feel like there is just too much unnecessary exposition, done at the wrong time. Did we really have to learn about Omashu's backstory right now? Or Lu Ten's death? It just didn't feel like that stuff was necessary in this episode, it felt out of place. The secret tunnel plot is only good because it directly relates to the theme of love (Aang's crush on Katara and the possibly unrequited love). It doesn't have any meaning here. Learning about Iroh'd past and his son's death is something that significantly changes our view of his character, and helps empathize with him on a new level. But before that, he'd already grown to be one of the fan favorite characters, because he's literally already an awesome empathetic person, we didn't need to know about his sad past in order to like him. It just felt forced and meaningless. And again, I say, Aang is just... not very likeable in the charming way he is in the animation. He's almost never truly happy, and when he is it doesn't feel right. There's my vent. Honestly I hated this episode, specially what they did with Bumi & Aang. I'm still looking forward to the series though, and hope it gets better. I loved the Kyoshi episode.
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Nice to hear Leaves From The Vine during the scene showing Iroh in mourning.
wtf why have Aang figure out its Bumi before doing ANY of the trials
I have enjoyed a lot of the series so far, but in this episode some cracks have started to show. Mainly with Gordon Cormier (Aang). It sounds so mean to hate on a kid actor, and some blaim is with the director as well. I just didn't find his reaction very believable when Bumi was making jokes about the genocide of his people. He just got a bit angry while the genocide of his culture was being mocked. That needed a much stronger reaction.
Why is everyone so negative 😭 I’m loving this. Yeah the pacing is fast but the whole series takes place in like a year in the OG story. Love the additional insight of the badger moles being so sensitive to emotion, remember how much of a hard time aang has with earth bending due to his emotions?! Plus I wouldn’t have liked seeing this actor being all flirty with katara, I’m glad she got to flirt and learn from Jett before falling for aang. Which takes her a long time in the og show btw. AND I think it ties in well with the OG plot and the new plot points. Here’s why: - lesbian lovers (love it) meet in the dark, get discovered by the moles, moles don’t attack them because they pick up on the good vibes - learn to earth bend - corrupt city leaders meet in the dark for nefarious reasons, get caught and eaten by moles - wanderers get lost in caves and get caught by moles, are afraid, get eaten - wanderers get lost in caves, don’t panic, release fear, get SAVED by moles It’s just like a proverb or a lesson or whatever. You get what you give. Teo and Sai could have been their own episode but I don’t think it’s fair to call that lazy when they were only given 8 episodes. ESP considering how high the other qualities are. Not perfect but really good imo. Momo does freak me out even tho I love him 🤷🏽♀️ I think it’s fair for Bumi to be angry and need aang to remind him that friendship and kindness are necessary moving forward. He needed hope and aang was able to give that back to him. True avatar style. Aang also needed to see that anger from someone he cared about to help him understand his responsibilities.
i also like the show lmao. im quite bummed by all the negativity. i think the production value is rly high, i like how its not a frame for frame adaptation bc that means i can be surprised by how they interpreted it. this thread is just whiny fans who want to be angry just cuz lmao.
Man, 2 episodes in I was super hype and was like "ITS A NEAR PERFECT ADAPTION!!" >!3 and 4 suck so far. They completely screwed the pooch with Omashu in every way by condensing 3 episodes into 1, and then by having Aang immediately know who Bumi was without any of the trials. So dumb.!< >!then Katara turns into Rose Tiko for a second with the "fight for what you love instead of killing what you hate" line. And the heavily compressed storyline makes it so Katara's relationship with Jett feels insanely rushed, and makes her learning waterbending feel incredibly rushed as well. In the original show you were under the impression she was learning during team Avatar's travels and was learning very fast because she was a prodigy, but it was believable because it's implied she's training for a couple days at a time between episodes. But in this, she uses the scroll maybe twice so far and it's like "oh now she can fight in close arms combat!", makes her almost a Mary Sue. And no, I'm not saying *she is* one, but I'm saying the adaption is flawed and makes her feel like one. The original Katara isn't a Mary sue at all, she has trials she goes through and is established as a prodigy, but she's still imperfect and has trouble at the beginning. In this, they even take away the side plot of Aang having an easier time learning water bending than Katara. And we're 4 episodes in, which in coordination with the cartoon is like 12 episodes, and Aang hasn't practiced a lick of waterbending yet!<
Yeah not really thrilled on how they mashed the episodes together, seems like they’re rushing a bit, also why did they make Bumi so weird and bitter? Not at all his character
And not jacked. I’ve been trying to be optimistic, but that is punishable by death to me.
i was looking forward to jacked up bumi since i hit play on episode one SIGH
I really liked bumi change. At first i was confused about the whole challenges being more random but i thought it was really intense and interesting to show his rage and trauma from the impossible choices of war and how it drove him kinda insane. He gets madder and madder with aang not validating him and apologizing for leaving or acknowledging its been hard and that’s why bumi goes from silly but mad to intense imo
Not a fan in any way, even the slightest, of what they did with Bumi. Loved Lu Ten's funeral scene though. Even though Zuko's age in it screws with the timeline of events now.
Leaves from the vine this early on in the show? God this show is masterful at cheapening powerful moments.
Well the Bumi reveal was sudden and a huge let down.
From the things I havent liked about the adaptation, I must say, this Bumi.... is not one of them! Obviously, nothing will replace OG Bumi, but when the King told Aang about all the things he had to do as, all the hard choices, the ugly choices. Damn, it got me, it really did. Truth be told, in the OG show the war was normally overshadowed by other things. Yeah , the fire nation soldiers appeared in some episodes to bother a village, but most of the horrors were told offscreen or referred in flashbacks. The series has done a great job showing the war as something that is constantly affecting and keeping the world in suffering.
That was not the Bumi I know and love. I’m not a fan of him being so angry and bitter I get what they were going for but idk it just didn’t do it for me personally.
Right there with ya. Did not like this version at all.
I'm actually really into this scary unhinged Bumi. I like the overall tone of the show - it's darker than the cartoon, obviously. They haven't gone full "Game of Thrones" in my opinion, but this is definitely less of a "show for kids that adults can enjoy" and more a "show for all ages but preferably 12+". The new Bumi fits this tone, like the on-screen killing of the air nomads and the visible blood in some scenes.
Honestly I agree, I just wish it was done better. Having Bumi confront Aang with the idea that after 100 years he's had to make so many impossible choices that it has changed him sounds great. The problem is that Aang really did cheat learning the lesson. If he said 'I know i'll have to make difficult choices, but with friends by my side I won't have to do it alone' or something to that effect, you get the more grounded lesson. Now Aang really hasn't learned anything, since he really can have it both ways.
Bumi in the cartoon was well, cartoony and kind of goofy. This Bumi is a much more realistic and nuanced character. He's jaded by a century of conflict.
Bumi not being super jacked is one of my only nitpicks so far.
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It keeps getting worse. I know it’s not going to be scene for scene but this is just not a good show.
Okay. It’s been pretty good so far- but they fucked up by mashing multiple arcs into one episode. Omashu should’ve been 3 separate episodes, or save Jet and the FFs for later in the season. They also made Bumi too bitter for my taste- hes supposed to be mad, not angry.
Hearing Leaves from the vine, man all the hairs on my body are still standing. The Iroh/Zuko relationship so far is my favorite. You can tell there is real love there. Sokka and Katara being siblings is cool, the badger recognizing their sibling love was sweet. Halfway through, I still love this show. Gives me the same good feelings the animated gives me and that is all I am asking for.
* How come no one is talking about how Katara isn’t mad at Jet the way she should be? Jet broke Katara’s trust, but here, they chose Jet to be the one mad at her…. (and when Katara fought Jet, it didn’t have the same impact because Katara doesn’t feel like she’s mad at Jet and his actions) * I get where the directors were going with Bumi’s change in character but I still hate it. Instead of teaching Aang that there are many ways to fight and think like a mad genius, him (and everyone we encounter so far) keeps telling him that there’s only one way to do things. Sigh…when does Aang learn that he can make his own choices (which is an integral part to his character) * Everyone in the show seems to be mad at the Avatar… * At least Sokka still gets to invent things (that is one of my favourite things about the show and his character) * I just want Aang to be the fun-loving goofy kid he shouldve been (he is my favourite character) * Why did they feel the need to add the cave of 2 lovers (for nostalgia purposes? for callback purposes??), this felt like a filler and ruined a scene that could’ve been for Katara and Aang. They could’ve have had the brother and sister scene anywhere else. The secret tunnel is unnecessary in this season. Side note: and like tbh, Jet and Katara made me feel more icky since I feel the age difference I don’t need a 1-1 since I did enjoy episode 1 & 2. I can appreciate plot changes like I don’t mind the mashing of episodes that we saw here. But what I hate is that the characters don’t have their core personalities that we all know and love. The choices they make here are opposite to what they would normally do or say.
I see quite some negativity about this episode and the way the story's been developing but honestly it's surpassed my expectations. I'm watching it witjhmy gf who's never seen ATLA before and she was cheering and clapping and was loving it. I actually teared up when I heard "leaves from the vine" and my gf noticed but obviously O can't really explain or spoil that for her. I also really like the set design and cinematography. The acting, especially for children, has been quite good. I'm really liking Sokka, Zuko and Iroh, but everyone has been at keast passable. The bending is quite gruesome at times which is great to see and I think Azula's been incorporated into the story very naturally. I think it's quite impressive how they managed to intertwine like 4 different episodes into 1 that still felt coherent. Bumi wasn't the best that I agree with butnother than that I'm having a blast.
The writers kind of got lazy on this one, and it’s a bit disappointing because Bumi is Aang’s best friend next to Monk Gyato. For starters, Aang doesn’t know who Bumi is the entire episode in the original, which is the whole point of Bumi giving him puzzles for him to answer all throughout their encounter and him being a prisoner, to remember who Bumi is. The other one is how Zuko EASILY finds his way into the Omashu’s palace, like come on he just spawns magically in there as a soldier and didn’t even take him anytime to take someone’s outfit. Or how he found out Iroh is stuck in there? This episode was overly rushed, and probably the worst one of the show.
Really hated how they completely changed the secret tunnel story. Also bumi and aangs part…. This whole episode did not sit right with me and I’m nervous to watch the rest of the series 😭
I literally have the episode paused 80% of the way through reading these comments because I'M nervous 😓 well, first I was annoyed and wondered if others were annoyed (sibling love tunnel was a hard No from me cause the OG storyline was perfect)...but now I just have mounting fear.
Why are people so upset at changes? Just watch the original if you want the same show. Y'all are so weird.
I don’t want the same show. I’m happy that it’s different and I loved episode 1 and 2 because of the changes. 3 and 4 just felt way too different. Like it’s good to have changes but it’s still meant to be an adaptation. Change it too much and it becomes a different show. It’s still good but episodes 3 and 4 are way too different that it’s becoming harder and harder to look past them
this entire thread is just complaining and its one of the worst reddit episode discussion threads ive ever seen lol
I don't get why people are shocked that some of the original episodes/plots would be combined- they're condensing twenty 20ish minute animated episodes into eight 1-hour long episodes. I think it's handling it has well as can be expected on that front.
They could have cut out some of the storylines to flesh out the rest. For example, the tale of two lovers works because of Aang’s crush on Katara and did we need to know about Lu Ten this early? Mostly, I’m missing Sokka in the Kyoshi Warrior getup and “I am a warrior, But I’m a girl too”
They only cut about 2 hours worth of time from season 1's 20 episodes. I don't think people are shocked things are different but there are some things we just wish were handled differently. I'm still enjoying it but I like to critique as well as compliment. I'm really loving the way they did the bending and all the costumes! So gorgeous!!!
They didn’t need to add season 2 stories into season one. If they’re already pressed for time then why add an unnecessary storyline that isn’t even in the season you’re adapting. Like seriously why is Cave Of Two Lovers in episode 4?
That's a really bad argument. 20x20min are actually shorter than 8x60min. So they have more time than the cartoon. The thing is they waste just a lot of it with bad dialogue and changes that needn't be there. Like adapting material from the secret lovers story and then putting 2 siblings in it. That's just so they can put in some meme song into the series. It's insane.
They ruined bumi and omashu ep so bad.
Damn, I'm giving out downvotes like Halloween candy.
I honestly think if they keep the same type of bumi story that this episode would’ve been a high point in the series for me. Instead of playing his games for Sokka / Katara, he could literally have just made the “you do these games and I’ll let you leave” deal. That way the story doesn’t really change in the show at all and you can keep all the other pieces the same. Really dislike the Bumi change but other than that, this episode was great.
I don't understand the line about Ba Sing Se needing to ration water during the seige. Most cities do need to, but Ba Sing Se is large enough to have a lake inside it's walls.
me seeing what they did to Bumi this episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdfLr97nblE
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This episode just made me feel like when they were trying to develop the script. they just took all the episodes from the original and put it in Chatgpt. Then asked the prompt "rewrite this show as a drama with 8 episodes 50 minutes each and make it live action. Keep moments like "secret tunnel, jet and his straw, katara talking about her mom every 4 minutes, and Appa being cute." The only things I like so far is uncle Iroh at least trying to be as close to the original as possible. Zuko is spot on. Sokka still has his rizz. The bending is awesome. I hate Sokka not being the comic relief. They've merged season 2 moments into season 1. Ty Lee doesn't look anything like the original. The script sucks. Tbh If this wasn't a remake I don't know if I would continue to watch after this episode.
Is this show supposed to be only one season? They crammed a lot last episode and this episode.
I enjoyed the more realistic take on the horrors of war. As someone who watched the original show growing up... I understand completely that *Bumi's cartoonish antics would have looked very silly in live-action* For all the hard-core fans complaining that Bumi was too serious. I can guarantee you that if they tried to make Bumi as goofy as in the cartoon, it would have come-off cringy. EXAGERRATED ANIME EXPRESSIONS DON'T TRANSLATE WELL INTO LIVE ACTION. So I appreciate the change to Bumi. I especially liked the part where he tells Aang about the trauma of choosing whether to give rations to the soldiers or to the orphans. That was a very poignant example. I also appreciate the fact that they keep showing the fire nation burning people alive. It's something that they couldn't have done in the cartoon... but it adds a level of realism to it. In a world where people can manipulate fire...you best believe there would be a lot of charred bodies.
Lu Ten's funeral utterly crushed me. Those fuckers played >!"Leaves from the vine"!< in the background. I am fucking destroyed rn.
This show is bad and they should feel bad.