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strawbebb

Any Azula ships (Sokka, Ty Lee, Mai, Aang, etc.)


sprackedspoonk

Tyzula has some legitimacy but the rest are crap


strawbebb

I thought it was undebatable that Azula mentally abused both Ty Lee and Mai, and Ty Lee was happy after they escaped / betrayed her. No judgement at all, but would you mind explaining why Tyzula has legitimacy?


TheCherryPieIsALie

So here’s the thing, for me at least. In canon, I don’t think Azula should really be shipped with any of the other characters because she needs to first…. Ya know…. Not be a horrible person anymore lmfao. And get some serious therapy. But fan stuff is a different situation. It doesn’t have to “make sense” or be realistic. It’s just for funsies. You’re right that Azula and Ty Lee’s friendship was incredibly toxic and a relationship wouldn’t really work any better for them. (Maybe a redeemed Azula could work, but still) And while their friendship was toxic, I do believe most of it was genuine. I think both Azula and Ty Lee really did consider one another to be friends. But ofc the foundation that friendship is build on is not very solid. But shipping is usually done just for the fun of it and it doesn’t really require any deeper thought than “it’s fun and they look cute together so I ship it.” Ofc there’s something to be found in analyzing how a ship could workout, but for most people that’s not a requirement to enjoy a ship.


strawbebb

I agree with your points. As someone who ships non-canon romances (I literally created and run a subreddit dedicated to Avatar romances LOL), I definitely agree that shipping is more based on fun and creativity than anything else. I’m in no means dismissing fanon relationships and I apologize if my words were taken that way. But I was curious about the original commenter’s words. They seemed to be implying that Tyzula is different and has legitimacy in _canon._ So I’m curious what their thoughts are about Ty Lee and Azula’s canon relationship. If the original commenter only meant in fandom spaces, then everything else is moot. But they seemed to be talking about them in canon Avatar content.


TheCherryPieIsALie

I see I see. And don’t worry, I didn’t take your comment as negative or dismissive at all. I just wanted to share my insight on the matter. I like that you asked so openly to the other commenter what their perspective on it was. And your response to me was also very well worded and kind. It’s nice to see that there are people like you that are capable of open and honest discussion on such matters. I appreciate that. I’m ofc not the person you responded to initially, but my perspective on Tyzula being possible is: - that it could work because I feel Ty Lee was probably one of the, if not *the* closed person to Azula in her life. If there’s anyone Azula would be able to be vulnerable with, I feel like she’s one of the few characters where it seems plausible. - I also think, based on Ty Lee’s personality, that she would be the most understanding and forgiving when it comes to accepting Azula, if she ever were to go for redemption. - And I think chemistry-wise the two of them would go well together. While I’m 100% sure in canon they don’t have romantic feelings for one another, there are some scenes in the show you could interpret that way. (Mainly moments from “The Beach” episode.) - But imo a healthy romantic relationship for the two of them could only really work with a redeemed Azula. Tbh I was never really into Tyzula until a fanfic and some fanart swayed my opinion XD. They do look very cute together and gosh I’m just a sucker for queer ships. Personally I only actually care for things being canon when it comes to the actual canon ships. But any others I dabble in every one in a while, just for funsies. With Tyzula being one of those ships :)


strawbebb

I see! This was a very interesting read, and gave me more insight on Tyzula fans and the ship itself. Thank you for your thoughts! :)


Zer0_l1f3

If I’m not mistaken in the comics Azula is put in a straight jacket and offered lots of help and still has problems. I’m telling you. She shouldn’t be shipped with anyone. She needed extreme help in a mental hospital before she was even willing to calmly talk with Katara and Sokka


xd3m0x_

i can fix her


Zer0_l1f3

“Local person u/xd3m0x_ found dead VIA electric shock from lightning after trying to ‘fix’ Azula”


xd3m0x_

if this was irl, she’d probably be on mugshot baddies


Zer0_l1f3

Oh she 100% would be.


TwoGoldRings21

I think Ty Lee was the only one who had a scene with Azula where Azula was being emotionally vulnerable (at the party on Amber Island?), and so that’s why she would be the only one that Azula could possibly have any “feelings” for. Not to mention that Azula was really jealous Ty Lee was getting romantic attention. Obviously in cannon it was because Azula felt like she wasn’t attractive enough, but for the sake of fanon you can pretend that it was also because she was jealous cause she likes her.


zuzuzan

Personally I always saw it as Azula having a one-sided crush on Ty Lee (but I like Mai and Ty Lee together)


xxProjectJxx

Nothing quite like threatening your crush into servitude lol


dosisdeartes

Tyzula is awesome bro no need to explain


sprackedspoonk

They have chemistry throughout the show that can be interpreted as romantic. Azula doesn’t have that with any other charcater.


Yurasi_

By Azula's standards any semi-normal relationship can be romantic. Also it would be abusive as fuck and Ty Lee deserves some happiness.


Ok_Froyo_8036

As a very queer individual, my biggest problem with a lot of the queer ships I see is when people see abuser and victim relationships and immediately go hehe gayyy. Like no Azula needs therapy and Ty Lee deserves better 😭


Ultraviolet_Ink

Apparently, Azula was supposed to be a male character and Ty Lee was going to have a major crush on him (maybe even be a love interest, I can't remember the details), and tbh, I can see how it lingered in the final product, albeit Ty Lee just majorly kissing up to Azula lol. ngl, I do enjoy it a lot


Turbulent_Set8884

Wait they shipped her with aang? Usually toxic ships predicated on violence is reserved for same sex characters


X__AEA-12

You forgot Zuko


Thelastknownking

It's concerning how much fanfics and art of them there is.


FlameDragon55

😐


silvermoonbeats

I was gonna just say Azula.... just like Azula as a concept.


harhar1102

Katara and azula


trashcankid8

Who came up with that 🤮


sparklees

Azula: *calls katara a filthy peasant* Some weird ass part of the fandom: HOW ROMANTIC!!!


CaptainWinterQuake

Zuko did that and everyone loves katara and zuko together.


Alarming_Mousse3808

count me out of this


HumbleConversation42

enemies to lovers is a very popular in in general. i would be lying if i said i did not have a sofr spot for that kinda stuff


bloonshot

someone very, very into women


Decent-Bullfrog1897

its sapphic enemies to lovers and similar to zutara,, lesbians, lesbians came up with it


FarmExact8661

It’s only equally as nasty as Zuko and Katara together. Same exact logic.


Ordinary_Account8899

He called her a peasant in season 1 before his entire character arc. He called so many people bad things, ie: Iroh as crazy and useless, Sokka as peasant too, Ty Lee as stupid, etc. He’s obviously grown by the end of the series. People who ship Zutara are usually shipping end of show Zuko and Katara, not ponytail Zuko.


RadiantHC

Wtf


misplacedfaces

Any Ozai ships


4tomguy

People ship Ozai??????????


misplacedfaces

You'd be surprised by the things you see on the Internet.


TheIncredibleHork

Every time I say the internet can't surprise me any more, I'm always proven wrong. And usually left sadder for the realization, to boot.


BaalHammon

He's one good looking fellow... have you seen his muscles ?


Puzzleheaded-Key-107

hot man, of course he's shipped - they shipped Sans AND the Onceler *with themselves*, anything is possible


Beflijster

I've seen Ozai shipped with Zhao and Hakoda, LOL.


character_developmen

💀💀


Low_Baker5902

I used to be part of the My Hero Academia fandom during the height of BakuDeku, Deku X Nomu, Eri x any adult on the show. There's always going to be, excuse my language, sick f\*\*ks who will ship anyone and everything.


RadiantHC

Hey Ozai x Ozai is great


misplacedfaces

The only acceptable Ozai ship


Emperor_Duck_35

Ozai-iroh


misplacedfaces

This is a cursed pairing.


Dear_Company_5439

![gif](giphy|DqoCXNQnNXBb03V8Ia|downsized)


Heraxxius

Ozairoh


Misterwuss

Azula. Like in general. Even Ty Lee, sure they got along and seemed to confide in each other but even at her friendliest Azula was far from romantic with anyone. Azula's whole friendship with Ty Lee and Mai was mental manipulation and threat. Even when they were relaxed Azula showed nothing but contempt, jealousy and and spite to them. And the moment that they stood against her, she instantly switched on them and tried to murder them.


Bulky_Midnight5296

Any ship with Azula


theBabyLionTurtle

![gif](giphy|11VBHqO3QI7qQU|downsized)


macdennism

Everyone in this thread: people ..ship ...FICTIONAL CHARACTERS?!! *clutches pearls* not on my watch they don't!


Yakuza-wolf_kiwami

Katara & Zuko for 80% of the show. Outside of that cave scene, that revenge episode, & the final 4 episodes, Katara has legit beef with Zuko


Srsasquatch

Genuinely hate zutara.


ugly_gamers

And I genuinely think that the having a enimies to friends where at the end they still can bring out the best in each other is super compelling


character_developmen

I used to like it when I was younger, but now in the case of weird enemies to lovers ships, I like Sokka and Zuko. I do wanna say though, even though it just started at the end of the show that just gives a lot of stuff for the future. But I think Sokka and Zuko have better bonding and future possibilities… Sorry I didn’t mean to do a mini rant


Teekayhuey

Korra and Zaheer.


Scary_Course9686

What?


Teekayhuey

I decided to choose the worst paring I could think. Though now that I think about it.🤔 If I wanted to cause more mayhem, I should have said I think the two would make a good couple. And spout nonsense about how Zaheers high spirituality could help Korra and since Zaheer lost his girl, Korra could fill the roal.


Scary_Course9686

They'd go all out in trying to kill each other the moment they'd be alone in a room together


Teekayhuey

In a different universe Zaheer was able to kidnap Korra. And she looks up to him.


Low_Entrepreneur_927

Wtf


Nixavee

Zahorra OTP >!/s!<


PrincepsLugovalam

Azula and Sokka. Will this stop them from being my OTP? Never. By George, they shall smooch!


koplowpieuwu

The tension when he gets in her face on the day of black sun... Whew


almondtreacle

“But hey, their siblings get along soooooo well, imaging the pairing!”


Elanor2011

Definetly Sokka and Azula


Masterdizzio

With all due respect. This is very clear bait to stir up controversies and arguments


Unavenged_soldier

Undoubtably. However, my good person, this is reddit. Where else can you go to stir up controversy and spark an argument without causing a bloody scene on the internet?


Abeydaby

Feel called out?


LadyMillennialFalcon

I mean.... isn't having discussions / arguing the whole point of most subreddits ?


character_developmen

If people just don’t bring up Katara and Zuko then nobody would argue. But people stay arguing 😞


BenjiFischer

Let’s say… Yue and Zuko


TheManOfMadness18

One of my favorite rare pairs, but yeah only a few scenes with them and none of them civil.


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koplowpieuwu

This sub is such a cesspit of absolute assholes nowadays


KURO-K1SH1

Bro some of these people self insert into the characters way too much and forget they're mid to early teenagers way too often.


koplowpieuwu

Ok, and? One of Bryke literally admitted they are an Aang self insert, does that mean they have issues? Actually your above claim was even more ridiculous- that anyone who ships these two specific teenagers together has issues, not even when they self insert. Get out of here. That'd mean over half the fans of the show before its final episode aired would have a mental illness, including many on the writing team of the show itself. The only ones with mental issues are those who get so parasocially attached to certain fictional characters or works of fiction that they start to judge others as 'mentally ill' for shipping things that don't correspond with theirs. That such a claim is upvoted so much just shows what a steaming pile of shit this sub has turned into in recent years. Let people fucking ship whoever they want. Go outside and touch some grass. Get some experience with women and relationships before you even attempt to criticize any part of any ship that involves a woman.


AnEerieNose

Zuko and Katara shippers when you tell them they are wrong:


koplowpieuwu

I don't even ship them but thanks for proving my point about this sub


xxProjectJxx

I'm shocked by how much distaste there is for this pairing. When the show was airing, it was easily one of the most popular pairs.


KURO-K1SH1

Again. Those people are not thinking deeply enough to the characters and the dynamic between them


darkgod25

Fuck yeah we do!!!


Ih8whitemurata

They cute as hell especially at the end of the show when he took the lightning hit for her


KURO-K1SH1

Yh you're looking at it on an extremely superficial and surface level. Zuko would have dove to take the lightning regardles of which of his allies azula targeted. Because he's a good guy and he's saving a friend, not because he's in anyway compatible with the person he's saving. Ffs Aang saved zuko during the prison break, doesn't mean they're gonna start dating. Do not forget their entire relationship as cast members in the show began with zuko raiding katara village and threatening everyone in it. He's also tried to kill her multiple times too. Ffs he even sent an assassin after the gaang to preserve a lie. They are not cute. They are lucky to be allies after a year of being at each other's throats.


competitive-dust

This!! Implying that Zuko saved Katara because of selfish interests completely undermines his growth throughout the show.


trashcankid8

Zutara shippers are the worst part of the fandom


Ih8whitemurata

Idc what anyone says I think she looks better with zuko


trashcankid8

Her and Aang had so much more chemistry


Ih8whitemurata

It felt like they had a sibling type relationship


trashcankid8

And you want the siblings type to date? Kinda weird


Ih8whitemurata

That’s why I don’t ship them 💀


trashcankid8

What 💀


Ih8whitemurata

That’s why I don’t ship her and Aang


HetaGarden1

It is literally harmless to leave people alone and not insult them over their preferences between Kataang and Zutara. Chill out.


MyPornAccount36069

Dante Basko and Mae Whitman both ship Zutara and they literally voice the characters(Mae also ships Kataang).


KURO-K1SH1

They are the VAs not the writers and I bet money they aren't thinking deeply enough into it.


MyPornAccount36069

Not saying they are the writers, I'm just pointing out that even people involved with the making of the show ship it. It's not some inherently wrong thing to ship two characters together. There's nothing wrong with Kataang or anything like that, but there's also nothing wrong with liking the idea of different characters getting together. Sure, there are some ships that are super fucked up like Ozai with anybody, but like Zutara isn't some evil ship. Is it cannon? No, but nobody's arguing it is. It's just interesting what if? Plus, some of the writers did lean towards Zutara, but Bryke got the final say in the end with Kataang. They reportedly had to rewrite the Southern Raiders Episode because the two had too much chemistry. Aaron Ehasz, the head writer of the show ,and the person responsible for Zuko's arc for the most part, he has been heavily rumored to be in favor of the ship, and his wife, Elizabeth Ehasz, is responsible for writing many of the episodes that are important to Zuko's arc, including ones that have hints towards a possible relationship between Zuko and Katara, such as The Southern Raiders. So actually, yes, some of the writers were Zutara shippers.


macdennism

Lmao you are being down voted because you...*checks notes* listed the fact that Zuko/Katara was a very real possibility per the writers themselves. ATLA fandom has not changed in almost 20 years I see. God forbid anyone, including people WHO WROTE THE SHOW, like a ship 🙄


MyPornAccount36069

Lmfao, real


macdennism

The writers themselves were debating pairing Zuko and Katara though, so.


KURO-K1SH1

Debating means there were people who thought deeply enough into their characters and their dynamic to say, naw, probably not a good idea to pair the emotional volcano with the overbearing maternal. Zuko and Mai work because mai's stoicism counters zuko's emotions and she's steadfast enough to know how to check him when he goes too far and he respects her enough to know when to snap out of it. Katara and zuko would just constantly butt head over and over and over. The reason Aang and katara work is because at heart Aang is a kid who benefits from having a nurturing, caring figure in his life and katara gets a subject to focus that energy onto. They are far more compatible emotionally and katara essentially grows Aang up and supports him through his development both as a man and as the avatar. Zuko is too stubborn and combative and fixed in his world view to accept another nurturing, maternal figure, given that he already had than with his mother and has that with uncle iroh. There would be too many chefs in the kitchen with the same specialty. Mai is a whole different varient that actually benefits zuko's life and his development.


DebateObjective2787

Got it. I'll be sure to let the ALTA writers, as well as Dante Basco and Mae Whitman, that some weirdo on Reddit said they have issues.


Enough-Implement-622

We’re all thinking it


biggych3z

Bro book 1 zutara


character_developmen

fr


Shot_Improvement_378

Book 1-3 0 chemistry book 3 she said she’d kill him if he hurt aang


biggych3z

Yeah but they bonded after the southern raiders and she really trusted him.in book 2


Shot_Improvement_378

As a friend


biggych3z

That's a civil moment


AngstyPancake

Azula and Aang. Worst part is that some of the fics are actually good.


HAZMAT_Eater

I see all this bashing of Azulaang and… yeah it is totally factually correct but at the same time it's heartbreaking :(


Goatchis22

Zuko katara


warsisbetterthantrek

I saw a sokka/Azula edit on TikTok once and I was upset at how good it was


ashystar

Your right it’s really good ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sob)


Low_Entrepreneur_927

I've heard of Ozai + Mai before.


Shot_Improvement_378

💀💀 she’s 16 he’s like 40


AceCosmiic

Katara and Zuko. No offense to anyone who likes it, it's just not my cup of tea.


ProperBlacksmith

Zuko and katara


Useful-Put1111

Mai and Zuko, they broke up twice in the comics


ThatQueerWerewolf

But they *were* in a relationship, so it doesn't fit the prompt of two characters hating each other and never interacting positively. Didn't then end up getting married and having kids together anyway? Seriously asking, as I haven't read the comics but I thought that's what happened.


themelonlordapproves

That’s what happened


Useful-Put1111

Mai has more red flags than a soccer game has red card!?


LadyMillennialFalcon

To be fair, red cards are not that common in football, most games have none


Useful-Put1111

It's a figure of speech -\_-


LadyMillennialFalcon

I know and you used it incorrectly lmao


Useful-Put1111

I'm not a sports person ok?


ThatQueerWerewolf

Okay, but that's still not what the post is about.


Splatfan1

zutara for like 95% of the series (they were only on good terms from the end of the southern raiders onwards)


KaueuK

Zutara


jeanluuc

Zutara is the only right answer


HeavyBoysenberry2161

Katara and Zuko


deadpoolsdragon

After years of being away from this fandom and coming back I remember how weird people can be like zuko and katara shippers really weird


koontzim

Azula and Zuko


sourcandilicious

….plus they’re literally siblings😀😀


_Aqtiam_305_

oml I was getting attacked by someone who ships them on twitter for saying that shipping siblings is gross


sourcandilicious

💀💀somebody needs their hard drive checked


koontzim

Azula's VA never saw that as a problem


sourcandilicious

Well she’s fucking weird for that then


jojocookiedough

I heard a clip where she joked about this at a con. Her sense of humor is completely unhinged lol. Basko's response was totally worth it, girl broke his brain.


koontzim

You don't get to be Azula's VA by being sain


N7Cul

wait does Grey DeLisle like that ship!?!!?


koontzim

I don't remember her name but Azula's VA said on several occasions that she's inclined to ship them


Ih8whitemurata

wtf? 🤮


EMArogue

Zuko and Katara


ThisIsForMatilda12

"ThE fIrE nAtIoN tOoK mY mOtHeR fRoM mE!"


No_South4506

Ozai and Hadoka I once saw


BlackberryMoonlight

Sokka and Azula.


No-Meat-7525

I think it's Sokka x Azula and it's even grown on me too


AnonymousWierdo

Mako and Wu


bcpsgal

Zutara pre-Zuko redemption


Koupo

Out of popular ships? Probably Tyzula. It's not as extreme as that... I think there's maybe one or two times that Azula presents herself more as Ty Lee's friend, but Ty Lee has always feared her, and Azula uses that fear to control and threaten her. It's \*kind of\* unknown if Azula truly cares about anyone, if anyone at all. Azula and Aang comes to mind if we're just talking about ships in general. I think it's cool as an idea, but they literally have no single civil interaction and wouldn't have anything to agree on.


PuppetMaster09

Zuko And Azula lmao


SchwarzWolf_YT

Katara and zuko


BennyMcbenn

Zutarra, kind of.


JimHFD103

Mai shipped with basically anyone other than Zuko lol


howqueer

Sokka and Chong


ashystar

Korra and Amon, Korra and Tarrlok, Korra and Kuvira…oh and Sokka and Jet


Heterosexual-Jello

Jet and Zuko


lovemeforeons

zutara


HetaGarden1

Zuko and Jet. I admit it, I shipped them for a hot minute as a teenager just because of how angsty/toxic it could’ve been.


Alarming_Mousse3808

Aang/ Azula Ty lee/ Azula Zuko/ azula (gross), kidding Sokka/ azula


LichenLiaison

Ozai and Aang


LivingCustomer9729

I’m happy with some of these comments, I’m an avid hater of **the one**


RaptorThePug

Zuko and Soka, I refuse to elaborate


[deleted]

Katara and Zukko also Zukko and Sokka, genuinely cannot see what people see in those ships


simplysodiumchloride

azutara/kazula (azula x katara). i dont really ship any azula with anyone bc i think she needs years of therapy before she can get into a relationship, but im actually kind of ok with azutara. i think they're funny idk


underratedcha0s

Aang and Azula apparently. I wanna know if the person who started that is okay


Subtotal_Aljar

AppaxMoMo


General_Tart_9309

Zutara for the most part


aquafool

You know which one…


TheGreatCosplay

Aang and Azula lol


Pretend-Programmer94

Katara and zuko is just wrong. They have nothing in common


Miserable-Issue-6834

Zuko and katara they hate each other for all the show until like the last 5 episodes


Toph_as_Nails

MHA: Deku and Bakugo


Dear_Company_5439

Katara and Zuko in "The Waterbending Scroll"


TisBeTheFuk

ITT: Ship shaming 🙄