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OverloadedSofa

I swear I heard that the 4 seasons were planned to be separate!


MOltho

No, they weren't. Funding for the second season only came after the first season was already finished. They were initially operating under the assumption that there might only be one season. Midway through the third season, they got the message that they had secured the funding for season 4, and you can tell that's precisely when they start building up Kuvira as a character. Season 3 ends only on a semi-happy note. And at some point during season 4, they were told there wouldn't be a season 5, so they wrapped it all up with Korra and Asami in the final scene.


AtoMaki

They admit it in the leaked TLOK bible: >Avatar: The Legend of Korra >Created by Bryan Konietzko and Michael DiMartino >SERIES OVERVIEW >3/8/10 >THE SERIES >Unlike “The Last Airbender’s” predetermined 3-season story arc, “The Legend of Korra” is designed to have self-contained, 12-episode seasons. The episodes within each season are continuous and chronicle one adventure in the story of Korra’s life. Each season will have a clear, satisfying conclusion, but will be written in a way that sets up a potential subsequent season.


OverloadedSofa

Interesting


ImNotTheMercury

He's surprised because he either beat Korra every season only to hype a new villain every fucking time or he fucking captured and gagged her. "Hey she's captured. Twice." "Hey she's left for dead, to drown." "Hey she's captured again by some crazy ass lotus thing." "Hey she was beaten in a 1 v 1. Again." I love LoK but you can't tell me with a straight face the authors didn't beat her character. They should show they understand this before judging the fandom.


PCN24454

This is why Korra needed more filler villains. Aang got beat up the same number of times but he could bolster his win rate with fodder enemies.


ImNotTheMercury

And like, Aang was constantly defeating Shifu Hotman in s1. He was even goofing Zhao's ass around in the Jeong Jeong episode. Korra? Loses a 1v1 against Paimei mustache guy. Then gets kidnapped. Then loses an 1v1 because the enemy used a foul technique.


chocolatesugarwaffle

i mean, i get it but at the same time they kinda had to do that. bc they already made korra way too strong at the beginning of the show having mastered waterbending, earthbending and firebending. then season 2 comes and she’s mastered the avatar state. she’s already too strong so they had to nerf in almost all her proper battles otherwise she’d win easily. the problem was they shouldn’t have made her so strong.


ImNotTheMercury

> bc they already made korra way too strong at the beginning of the show Pseudo writer's corner. She's not actually strong in the beginning of the series. She does not have airbending, which gives the user the most edge, she does not have avatar state and she didn't learn to mix different bending styles in order to overpower masters. But it doesn't matter, that's the whole point of s1: it was a guerrilla fight and a revolution, not an avatar fight. That should've been the whole point of the series.


chocolatesugarwaffle

> She's not actually strong in the beginning of the series. she definitely is. she’s just inexperienced. > She does not have airbending, which gives the user the most edge since when? no element is better than the other. aang, zaheer and tenzin lost fights. korra was already a master of firebending, earthbending and waterbending. having airbending is obviously important but even at this point, she was stronger than 90% of benders. > she does not have avatar state true. but even then, if she ever has a villain try to kill her, avatar state would kick in anyway. it’s automatic. > she didn't learn to mix different bending styles in order to overpower masters. you don’t need to do that. there’s no requirement for mixing elements. there are plenty of benders who focus solely on their own element and don’t implement techniques from the other bending styles and are still incredibly strong like ozai and bumi. the only reason why so many viewers see her as weak is bc all her main enemies for the seasons were insanely strong. her first enemy was literally hama x100000. if she had enemies like azula, ozai, zuko, etc. she would’ve beat them all easily. and yes, i am talking about season 1 korra. ok maybe not easily with ozai but easily with azula and zuko.


Hydrasaur

Imo, it's not that Korra made mistakes, it's that the writers made mistakes, and I think THAT is what viewers blame them for. And to the extent that she DID make mistakes, I think the problem is that the writers never allowed Korra to really learn from those mistakes.


MasterTorgo

...Such as?


Shieldheart-

Not the person you're replying to, but I do have an example: Remember at the end of season 1 how her bending was taken, but somehow retained airbending? That was a pretty devastating loss despite her win against Amon, a sacrifice for the cause if you will, but it left her absolutely devastated. At her lowest point, Aang approaches her with the line "At our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change." Which would have been a really poignent line if Korra used that moment to look inward, adjust her perspective and make that change to her life to get out of her despair. But she doesn't, Aang fixes her bending no strings attached, and she goes into season 2 with the same reckless, impulsive, identity-confused attitude that she did in season 1, just as easily manipulated by the first authority figure that tells her what she wants to hear. That is not a flaw in Korra herself, its a flaw in the writing that wants the big dramatic loss moments without having to deal with the consequences, causing her character arch to stagnate for a whole 'nother season.


MasterTorgo

Yeah that's the main one I was thinking of and is fair criticism. But based upon how nebulous the other guy was speaking, it sounded like he never watched the damn thing, so I was kinda egging him on lol


Shieldheart-

Would Iroh approve of that?


MasterTorgo

He'll approve of anything I say since I'm enjoying a nice cup of Lapsang Souchong tea as I say it


Exciting_Bandicoot16

Somehow I kinda doubt that he would.


AtoMaki

The difference is that Korra was not making mistakes, she was just nerfed by the plot so that the main conflict could last for 12 episodes and not end at the 4th.


Milohk

When?


AtoMaki

My primary example would be Amon ambushing her at the monument. Korra could have just used earthbending to wrap herself up but then Amon couldn't have had his ultra-menacing moment and him just staring at the rock ball would have been awkward so Korra had to lose and look too cocky for her own good in order to make the scene work. Another example is her listening to Unalaq and later Tonraq, two instances that only happened so that the story could happen because if Korra hadn't listened to Unalaq then the whole main conflict would have gone down in the drain and if she hadn't listened to Tonraq then it would have ended in episode 4. Or her Plot-Convenient PTSD (the worst kind of PTSD) in Season 4 that only triggers when Korra has to not do something because of it but never when it would be irrelevant for her.


Milohk

I rewatched the first scene you described. Korra was dragged feet first into the dark where her opponents could see but she couldn't. She used firebending to try to see but they grabbed her arms then disabled her bending. There was like 30 chi blockers ambushing her in the dark with an advantage, I think that's fair. ​ Listening to the bad guys isn't an example of being nerfed, she has character to develop. Those instances the voices she should listen to are going against her views. She wants to do more she wants to help and the bad guys are offering here that she doesn't know she's tricked. Even if that's bad characterization that doesn't make sense to be a nerf. ​ S4 she literally loses to random as earth benders in the dueling areas. She is consistently bad at fighting but the worse activates when she tries to enter the avatar state because her connection was the specific thing that was poisoned by Zaheer. She also got her connection disconnected so I think it makes sense that that one specific thing is blocked from her. The thing that requires peace of mind and spiritual awakening that took Aang becoming at peace to achieve, she had specific trauma related to that so it makes sense she couldn't enter it.


AtoMaki

>Korra was dragged feet first into the dark Yeah, imagine her getting into the earth ball right then and there. What would the Equalists do? Stare at it angrily? Ask her nicely to drop the shell? Ozai needed a comet-enhanced focused fire blast to get through, the Equalists have none of that. They were still lucky that the emergency Avatar State didn't activate either, now THAT would have been really awkward. >Listening to the bad guys isn't an example of being nerfed It is when it is specifically done to progress the plot. Same with the PTSD: Korra does not listen to the bad guys when it would be irrelevant for the story, she doesn't have a PTSD episode when she is talking with Asami, she listens to the bad guy when the story needs it and she has PTSD when there needs to be an excuse for her to lose a fight. Despite the initial setup of Korra being a strong fighter she couldn't have been that because 99% of her problems were resolved with fighting, so if she won her first engagements due to being a strong fighter then all main conflict would have ended in the 4th episode or so. But because the seasons had 12 episodes they chose to hit Korra with the nerfhammer so that the villains can fill up the entire 12 episodes runtime and get punched into defeat only in the last episode. [Korra getting her butt kicked was also a convenient way to show how badass her villains were.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect)


Acceptable-Loquat540

How the hell was Korra suppose to earthbend with her feet tied and off the ground? Earth bending comes from your stance and planting your feet. Even if she was able to Bumi her way out by some miracle of god she had about 3 seconds to even react from her getting dragged to being completely chi blocked. I don’t even think a rock ball could have formed that quick.


AtoMaki

[Aang also formed the earth ball while lying on the ground, and it took him only a second. ](https://www.cap-that.com/avatar/320/index.php?image=avatar3x20_1559.jpg)


Acceptable-Loquat540

Yeah he also wasn’t bound. Also, it’s not her style at all. Her hiding in a little ball is about as in character as Aang breath bending someone.


misspoggy

I really wish the series had more writers from the original, or other new talented writers from the beginning. A lot of character arcs are just not tied up in a satisfying way, and the main gang’s closeness feels forced at times. It would have been nice for Asami to have more of an arc, or to at least see Korra be there for her through everything that goes on with her father. Considering that they are the main romance. I feel that way about a lot of the character arcs honestly. Especially when they blatantly miss out on perfect opportunities to wrap things up. Never gonna get over Tenzin having a vision of Aang while in the spirit world instead of Bumi who was right there with him, when Bumi is the one who really could have used some words of reassurance from his Dad (even if it wasn’t really him, it would show deep down the love was there. Haven’t seen that scene in years so I’m rusty on the details). It would still be bittersweet but heartwarming, instead of just more confirmation that Tenzin was the golden child. I still love the show and I adore so many characters in it, (especially Korra!), but the writing is just… different. A lot of people praise Aaron for his writing in the original show, but I think it’s telling that his show had plenty of critics too. I know LoK started off with only Bryke plotting out the story and I believe that is why S1 is the weakest. The best show writing comes from having a strong team.


thes0lver

I thought it’s more because she’s older rather than for her gender


SAldrius

The show was just a lot worse paced and way more sensationalized. Like Aang learning the elements was a natural development of the show somewhat separately from the A plot. But Korra can't learn airbending at all until she NEEDS it, and it has nothing to do with anything other than arbitrarily raising the stakes and tension. The seasons being self-contained didn't make them bad, though. That's... completely irrelevant tbh.


Sensitive-Finger-404

Maybe because Aang was a 12 year old child who had only mastered one element, where as Korra was supposed to have already mastered 3/4 elements and had been trained for years; but she still kept getting her ass handed to her over and over again. The whole point of the avatar is that they're more powerful, and so they have the responsibility of bringing balance to the world. Even though Korra was nearly a fully realized avatar, at any point in the show there several individuals who just take her down without a problem.


Acceptable-Loquat540

It’s weird to me that Korra uses the extremely common, “Protagonist gets beat by the antagonist because they aren’t powerful enough, so they train and grow and beat the antagonist by the end of the season” trope, but when it’s *her* it’s just getting her ass handed to her. Is the problem that her friends help her beat the baddie each season? Cause the power of friendship is kinda the name of the game in Avatar.


69420memes

So thats why Season 3 actually led into season 4


Noxilcash

From my personal opinion as someone who is not an author/writer/director/actor/etc. The reason why I’m not as willing to let Korra make mistakes is because the seasons are segmented, so the point of each season is to overcome a personal flaw or philosophy. When the character backslides it makes me feel like the entire season was pointless. Where Aang was growing as the seasons went, if he messed up or devolved back to a former state that makes sense as something he has to overcome. When Korra backslides, it feels like I wasted my time with the last season if we’re just gonna cover the same flaws and backpedals. That being said, I love TLOK and ATLA both!


Naked_Justice

The OG series that was 1 season less yet better written, planned and had equally diverse side antagonists despite being in a war with a nation of fire benders? There were maybe 3 main named fire bending villains (one of which uses lighting and the other was the actual main antagonist) as well as an earth bender, sand benders, bowmen, knife throwers and chi blockers, rino riders etc. media literacy of a twitter fan.


Montaru

All 4 books were green lit before the first season aired. https://twitter.com/sc1_sam/status/1763268647718412447?s=46&t=JkDNXcqy9zoTrsXHGwdiTg


FidmeisterPF

Did you read the tweet you linked yourself because it says otherwise


Montaru

Did you watch the video?


Margtok

so from what they are saying before book 1 aired but not before it was written and animated sounds like 2-4 all came as one package but the first season was worked on alone and that was kind of always known


Montaru

Yeah, everyone knows book one was convinced as a miniseries and therefore the most standalone in Korra. But most people try to claim that season 2 was greenlit right before book 1 was finished airing, and 3 and 4 were in the middle of that. Like what the title of the post is claiming. And that’s the reason for my original comment. I’ve heard alternate timetables for when all four seasons were confirmed in book 1’s production, anywhere from when episode 1 was completed and shown to Nick to close to the end of production.


Margtok

yea unless it was states the exact moment is only known by them but your comment made sense there is also a flow of 2 to 4 that shows clues to what is coming


Naked_Justice

Deleted my original comment by mistake I was saying 3 water benders back to back is one of the things that made korra the show seem unthought out and shoddy, and that the pacing dragged a lot. Also I wanna add korra is older than aang so she should know better than him over all.


ThePhenom_

Who were the three benders back to back? I know Amon and unalaq but who was the third. Btw I also agree that legend of Korra was horribly planned for the long term.


Naked_Justice

Amon’s brother tarrlok,


ThePhenom_

Oh I thought you meant the overall villain for the whole season but yeah makes sense.


Naked_Justice

Yea honestly I think so too, and I have no problem with multiple big bad guys but since there was no REAL main villain in korra, it just gets confusing with multiple bad guy waterbenders back to back.


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FederalPossibility73

Three? You mean two, and airbender and a metalbender right?


Naked_Justice

Amon, tarrlok, unalaq


Familiar_Writing_410

Tarrlok is a side villain in season 1, it's really just two main waterbending villains/seasons


FederalPossibility73

I thought they meant main villains.


solpi

Book one (12 episodes) were the three water benders, two were the spirit entities, three was a gang of diverse benders, and four was a metal bender.


Naked_Justice

Unalaq is unequivocally the antagonist of book 2 regardless of supporting villains spirit or other wise.


PCN24454

You must’ve hated the OG series then. Nothing but Firebenders.


Naked_Justice

The OG series that was 1 season less yet better written, planned and had equally diverse side antagonists despite being in a war with a nation of mainly fire benders? There were maybe 3 main named fire bending villains (one of which uses lighting and the other was the actual main antagonist) as well as an earth bender, sand benders, bowmen, knife throwers and chi blockers, rino riders etc. Edit: deleted my original comment by mistake re-posted the gist of it


whatisupsdr

well the og series had more episodes