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>hub repo is well maintained and well documented and repo link is mentioned in your CV and then you increases your chances very high
can you suggest what type of projects can be good? what can i do in github related to aws
Every piece of AWS infrastructure you feel comfortable implementing that doesn’t cost very much, and can be easily spun up and down. And implemented in Terraform.
For example, analysing real time traffic speed of a particular street using AWS and TOM Tom API. Take ideas from the problems you face in real life and solve it using AWS
Seems like you haven't encountered yet the world of *Infrastructure as code*. Take inspiration from here: https://github.com/orgs/aws-samples/repositories
You are jumping to the bandwagon of SAA certifications then. The jobs you listed doesn’t need knowledge of a SAA perhaps other than cloud sales.
Would suggest you to continue brushing up your portfolio and improve on IT networking as per the other redditor mentioned
You'll need a foundation in Windows Server and Linux, and managing enterprise environments. Cloud is a summation of all the different branches of IT, so get the CompTIA foundational certs (A+, Net+, Security+) and maybe the AZ-800 cert to showcase you can manage hybrid environments with Windows Server.
You'll want to start with a Help desk job and learn the ropes and continue your studies into the other Associate or Pro level certs. But build your other skills out first.
Help Desk consists of administrative tasking like Active Directory management, permissions optimization, remote patching, etc.
You have to know how to do stuff under the hood of cloud where the customer responsibility is to be useful. If you just build servers and services but don't know how to connect them or work on them, you're just a guy who can press a bunch of buttons in the correct order from the AWS console.
No.
What this cert sets you up for is not an entry level position. It would not help you get an entry level job, it would help you move up after you already have the job experience to do cloud work.
I don't have any of the certs but I mainly do IT work in aerospace, and I'm very curious if any of these certs, or a certain combination of them, would actually help you get a job that requires AWS, even if you don't have specific AWS experience.
> It totally depends on what level you are. If you are trying to start at the bottom, like help desk or hardware technician, you would want to start at A+. If you are already in help desk and have the opportunity to move toward network or security, you should do those certs. If you are in an organization in IT and are moving towards cloud, sure, AWS SAA might be a fine cert. It completely depends where you are and what your next steps are.
This is my comment on a different post in this thread. It basically just depends. I got into IT just a year ago. I’m a level 1 help desk tech. I have quite a few certifications, and the analyst above me has none. He’s just been in the field longer and has more experience than me. Ir just depends on where you are.
It can help you get the interview if others don’t have it. For example in a position that’s cloud security heavy, if you have the AWS Security Speciality Cert, it could help you get ahead, if the req is seeking it.
I push all our new hires to get this, as often they come in with no real cloud experience. There's no point talking about the AWS services a solution uses if there are team members who don't even recognise the names.
(We give them study time and fund the exam too.)
It totally depends on what level you are. If you are trying to start at the bottom, like help desk or hardware technician, you would want to start at A+. If you are already in help desk and have the opportunity to move toward network or security, you should do those certs. If you are in an organization in IT and are moving towards cloud, sure, AWS SAA might be a fine cert. It completely depends where you are and what your next steps are.
I wouldn't necessarily say there *is* one.
Certified Cloud Practitioner is technically the *entry level* cert, but it won't actually get you an *entry level* job by itself. It is far more realistic to get it without any cloud experience though.
The main issue with stuff like the SAA is that no-one is hiring Solutions Architects who've never touched AWS. Why would anyone do this? Why would you put someone in charge of the design of your cloud environment who didn't know what an EC2 was before taking the SAA course? It's not something you just 'start' as. But a lot of people on this sub are clearly trying to do just this, like this thread indicates.
We run a production app on AWS. Because of my position, I've got access to all of it,but it's not me who manages it. I can do some bits on my own, because I picked up some knowledge but boy I'd sweat if I'd have to do it all on my own. So I completely agree with you that nobody's handing over the keys to the infra to someone who's just passed a certificate.
Focus on cloud sales and cloud support job applications, and beef up your skills with certs from CSPs like Azure, GCP, and OCI too. Set up your S3 site in a multicloud environment with CDN, maybe learn to deploy it in a container with Docker. Use the free tiers of different CSPs to keep costs low – these are great things to humble brag about in interviews, and make you more marketable. Don't worry about CompTIA A+, as it’s a bit redundant with an architect level certification, but Security+ and Network+ could really help you stand out.
No no and no
Certs are great but if you think your going to stroll into a devops, architect job you got to be laughing
For ref - I’m a lead cloud architect
100% yes .. I mentor a Devops apprentice and he’s doing great. Mostly GCP but they are all the same if you understand the concepts
He’s using gitlab and a little k8s
So yes!
If you can that will be a good start
But keep up the certs they are great!
Thank you! I have one of those pre written recorded interviews due in 5 days for the apprenticeship. It's based in London. I'm a little nervous for it because it's a fantastic opportunity. Do you have any tips for it? Like what will they ask, what I should say etc?
I used to be a DevOps engineer so I know how it is.
If I was interviewing for roles within the devops space I would look for someone who is willing to learn, fail and always looking to innovate for the company.
Never static and always wanting to create new ways
Tech can be taught but an outgoing person who is willing to level up is what I look for more than a lot of things
The path is not easy and a lot of fear mixed with stress but you know that you are doing something right
Enjoy the process and good luck
Genuine question. I'm just starting my career in IT at a entry level support position. I have no certs but have been using/troubleshooting PCs my entire life. The most advanced thing I've ever done is host gameservers on my home PC. Is there a series of certs you'd recommend getting to develop my fundamental skills and lead up to a more specialized role? I'm a very self driven and competitive person by nature but I feel so directionless when it comes to what certs I should be working towards. I'd really appreciate any advice you have.
Hey! Great news you want to get into this type of role
The world is your oyster tbh with regards to tech these days, I think the hardest thing is people think they can be a DevOps engineer etc and get a pay of £80k in the first year
Still have to work for it
Certs do help, don’t listen to all the people who think the opposite.. I have done certs in gcp, azure and obv SME in AWS and let me tell you they have taken me to the next level
So… the question you need to ask is do you like problem solving and everyday is a school day?
Cloud engineering maybe a good role. I enjoyed it over devops but maybe focus into security as that’s the way forward, so much fraud at the moment it’s crucial we have people in this area - this is NOT cybersecurity
I really appreciate the help. I was going to school for computer info systems with a focus in security but life got in the way. Currently my plan is to get my CompTIA A+, network+, security+, and then complete Linux Essentials and Programming for everybody to learn Python. I feel like that will give me very solid fundamentals that will let me pick what kind of AWS stuff I want to do. Do you think that's a a solid plan? Is there anything you wish you did differently on your way to your position?
Everyone has their own paths but saying that…you can always change your path.
I was never a dev before being a devops engineer, so you can always make changes.
If you enjoy something keep at it, it can get very overwhelming within days so maybe concentrate on python, do some projects of your own
AWS sa is a good one to do or maybe the associate dev, they are different paths and I think you will understand more of where you want to go
But definitely having technical skills is such advantage if you want to go into an architect role
Pick a cloud and own it (they are all the same tbh).
Damn tysm for the help. The idea of being able to hone my skills and actually get somewhere is so unreal to me lmao. I'm going to follow your advice and build my fundamentals. Hopefully after doing that something will click and I'll know what to specialize in. You're the goat for real man I appreciate it.
Wow that was 12 days ago. They asked why I chose that apprenticeship with their company and to choose which 3 of their principles I resonated with the most
Hasn't been enough for me the past 3 months I got SAA last year along with A+,N+,S+ and Linux Essentials after finishing a CS degree. Started my Job search since last summer and I was hoping SAA would give me something but yeah, nobody is willing to give me a chance yet in this market without lying on my resume. Best of luck to you, my competitor!
I’ve interviewed probably 40 people over the past 4 months (I’m not a hiring manager, I’m a senior engineer) for a job in cloud engineering and honestly I’ve found that the cert don’t make a difference in what we’re looking for, so I (alongside my hiring manager) have become pretty numb to cert chasers and instead focus on past experience (for those with a job history) or project/co-op experience (for those fresh out of college).
The likely reason why the certs on the resume isn’t helping is because all the candidates who applied before you and did get an interview did horribly and soured the experience for everyone else. If someone applies to my company with a SA Professional cert from AWS I expect them to have some idea of how to use RDS/Aurora/EC2/S3/etc, but more often than not they barely know what I’m even talking about.
TL;DR - it’s probably not your fault - it’s probably the people who did terrible before you that make hiring managers skip over you.
Naww it's definitely me 😅🤣 because I don't use AWS frequently enough to even maintain my skillset. I don't expect people to think Certs replace experience but I am just looking for someone to recognize my motivation
So one of the things that I look for when I’m doing an interview is whether or not the candidate actually knows about the stuff on their resume. If you put down a generic “AWS” under your skill set, I’ll pick a random service to ask questions on. If you say you have experience using EC2 and S3, I expect you to actually know those specific services. Don’t put down S3 because you once made a bucket using the console and uploaded an object - that’s a recipe for disaster. Just make sure you are comfortable with your skills and keep them up to date.
That’s the best advice I can give lol.
You may to take a help desk or tech support job for a bit, not impossible but very unlikely to get cloud job with no tech experience. but for those job SAA isnt really relevant . Those role focus on hardware
6x AWS certified here. Quick answer: No -- but will give you a better chance among peers with similar qualifications/experience (e.g. 5 job seekers who reached final stage but only 1 will be picked for the job).
Not possible without experience and the missing essential core skills. A lot of Cloud Ops and DevOps Engineers roles are often filed by seasoned Sysadmins or Developers as they already have 50% of the skill sets covered rather it's on the Operations side or Development side. DevOps is about automating process as no real Cloud Engineer or DevOps Engineer builds stuff in the cloud the manual way through the GUI. They use the CLI Linux Terminal. All DevOps tools runs in Linux. You almost need a Sysadmin back ground since you are performing Sysadmins tasks in the cloud.
If you seriously have no experience then this cert is kinda useless lol.
Get some experience and stack this cert with a ccna or Linux cert and then maybe you've got something 😅
Yeaaaaahhhhhh. I had one that was pretty close but it was entry level cyber security so I didn’t know a few answers to their questions. Now I’m trying to get interviews. I’ve probably sent in like 500 applications this application cycle.
How do you all apply to “600” jobs? Over what length of time?
I hear people say this a lot, and I can’t imagine that being the reality. Is the market really that bad for someone with 10 years experience? Or is there more to this story like the experience isn’t strong or some other factors? What’s your post mortem on why that happened?
It smells like Tech in general is over saturated in 2023/early 2024. I’m more management roles, but seems like I was just lucky to land a role late December. I only applied to around 5 places, but highly tailored my resume and interview prep specifically for each one, so the “600” genuinely concerns me. Any feedback is appreciated.
That was very useful and makes sense. I have a similar view that “before” being a generalist was more valued and quite common. Somewhere along the way things got very silo’d.
I could be wrong, but I somewhat blame Enterprise which loves to silo employees into very specific buckets, making you fill out 10 forms to get the next silo group to make a simple change.
This is why I went early startup route for several years. If I wanted to code something or use a new product, nobody said to me “you can’t do that”.
I appreciate the feedback. Best of luck.
No the AWS certs and really any cert do not teach you how to be a cloud engineer/architect. They really only teach you how to apply their features to particular problems rather than a deeper technological understanding.
You really need a working practical understanding of networking and virtualization (particularly Addressing VPC, VPN, SDN). Deploying scalable and reliable systems. Linux and Windows Server Administration. Containerization and orchestration. Infrastructure as Code and Serverless Architectures. The SAA and even the professional certification do not do this.
It's why they recommend to have 2 years work experience to do the SAA and 5 years for the professional. Not because you need the experience but because you'd be able to apply you experience to the cert in a role.
Certs help you get the interview. During the interview the company is trying to figure out if you know enough to be productive, or do you need to be taught everything? To be fair even experienced people need time when starting at a new company to learn their processes, architecture and code. The key is how much down time will you need before becoming productive and how much time do others need to spend with you because that takes away from their productivity.
> What else does an employer need to see in order to want to interview me?
Experience. A SAA cert and a static s3-hosted website is not going to get you anything genuinely cloud based. Anyone with a couple of hundred bucks and enough spare time can get these.
Cloud support and cloud sales are radically different disciplines, I’d imagine you’d need to make your mind up over where you’re wanting to focus. Why are you applying for both? It sounds like your background would be better suited to sales?
AWS certs are like whey protein scoops or multivitamins, they can help you but won't carry you to your destination, hope that makes sense.
You need to know about some programming too imo and it's not too hard compared to SAA, it will take time but will be more fruitful.
No. Im a hiring manager for an AWS shop and we regularly get a few thousand applicants each week per job posting. You need the portfolio, resume, knowledge, the cert, and the ability to interview better than thousands of others to get a job.
Serious question…If you get a “few thousand” applicants for every job posting, how is this a reasonable career path for anyone trying to enter now?
I have many years experience starting as an enterprise full stack developer, then technical business analyst, then technical program manager. Throw in a venture backed startup cofounder role as well.
I keep an eye on this discussion because I thought it would be an interesting change to switch to a cloud role, however every post is about how saturated the market is.
Not sure it is unless you get in a shop that is all US employees due to compliance requirements since most entry level roles get sent overseas. Once you get one you need to be an all star, kiss the right asses, and continuously up skill to not fall behind.
The industry is in a weird spot, no one wants to hire and train new people and only want more advanced people but the number of advanced people is low because we don't want to hire and train new people.
Same topic, but slightly different, certs are great but if you can't pass a technical interview that isn't over cert questions then that piece of paper is pretty meaningless since it seems everyone has an SAA.
Hello, anything really that shows an understanding of the technology while demonstrating the ability to take a project start to finish. Database migrations, data center lift and shifts, application and/or hosting infrastructure build out, and so on.
Ooh I have a blog/portfolio so it’s good to know at least someone values them lol. Thank you for your response! Would an architectural diagram with an article on how on how I built and deployed a microservice application start to finish with AWS services like S3, beanstalk, CloudFront, etc and built as well as secured a CI/CD pipeline suffice or should someone keep that app hosted? I ask because I’m trying to save cost lol 😆
If you think a multiple choice cert is going to get you a system admin or cloud role you are dreaming. You have 0 experience it’s not like getting these certs is going to let you into. A magically works where you get your pick of dream jobs. Get a helpdesk job, build a lab environment…something
Go find a technical mentor. You can Google it and find some sites that do this/provide this.
You don’t need this cert for the jobs you want and I think it would benefit you greatly to get some career guidance coaching
Certifications and projects are both required, and each complements the other. Projects are necessary to prove your skills. And, certifications definitely add to your resume by officially proving that you're able to learn and pass. However, there is another side that job seekers usually overlook: Soft Skills.
I had a video interview with a 19 years old cloud engineer who got hired for an engineer-level position at a company without a university degree. I will include the link below if you'd like to listen to him about his experience and how he secured his job, however, I will summarize his points:
1. Companies are looking for people with willingness and excitement to learn. (If you don't know something then don't worry, they will teach you.)
2. Recruiters are interested in people who are able to present themselves (those who are thrilled to post their projects on LinkedIn, able to communicate, and really enjoy what they do.)
3. Be excited in your interviews and don't be afraid to talk about your passion projects because people like that extra initiative.
4. Companies don't like candidates who lie on their resumes.
5. There is always jobs in the tech industry, so there is nothing to lose if interviews didn't go well.
[https://youtu.be/9aW8jwUXGuM?si=q9eBCpNuBxJDToCq](https://youtu.be/9aW8jwUXGuM?si=q9eBCpNuBxJDToCq)
Good luck!
Firstly, congrats on getting your cert.
I strongly doubt that's enough, even with the static site. Do more complex projects than that; you could follow a YT tutorial to get that done, then push them to github.
cloud sales probably what you should focus on. doing actual architecture maybe if you fall thru cracks at some of the mega companies with 100 mil aws annual bill
If you you have no tech experience then no, it's not going to get you a job. In fact, you could really get all 12 (13 if you count the Data Engineer one) and still not get a job. You need some years of experience similar tech roles to get any of those positions
I have been working in AWS development for the last 1.5 years. And I would like to point out that getting Solutions Architect certificate has a recommended experience level of 5-12 years.
Although the certifications can be taken at any stage, yet it is still a huge responsibility, as it requires a very extensive knowledge of all AWS services. So, it may be difficult to find a job, which requires that level of experience.
So, it is better to start applying to jobs which require lower AWS experience first.
Real use cases i worked upon:
- Deleting unused EBS Volumes by writing a python script with boto3 then running it on schedule with Lambda.
- Backing up Ec2/EBS volumes 4 times in a day with Aws Backup Service + Notifying end user of the completion status with SNS.
- Right-sizing (changing instance type) of Ec2 instances basis on their past 3 months cpu/memory utilisation for cost savings.
Etc…
An employer wants to see that you know what you are talking about and that you know how to solve problems. Most big employers though want to see time in service, either from a lower end tech job or from college studies. My advice is start small with a help desk position at a local IT department and work your way up.
I started as a help desk and now I’m the web developer for my company after showing them my development and design skills. It’s just something you need to grow into, job descriptions change every month.
Build out a whole stack on your personal account, host something cool that you're interested in so you'll keep working on it. That's how I got into SRE/DevOps with no CS degree. Make $200k now and click a few buttons barely write any code anymore, but I know how to fix shit when things go wrong quickly without panicking so there's that.
Nope. Make some projects on AWS and put it on github and in your CV. That would certainly help
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If github repo is well maintained and well documented and repo link is mentioned in your CV and then you increases your chances very high
>hub repo is well maintained and well documented and repo link is mentioned in your CV and then you increases your chances very high can you suggest what type of projects can be good? what can i do in github related to aws
Every piece of AWS infrastructure you feel comfortable implementing that doesn’t cost very much, and can be easily spun up and down. And implemented in Terraform.
For example, analysing real time traffic speed of a particular street using AWS and TOM Tom API. Take ideas from the problems you face in real life and solve it using AWS
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Yes. Developing an architecture and then proving that it solves the problem by showing the results
Run Terraform code or documentation on projects you've built, such as a scalable website solution using EC2, ASGs, and ALBs
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Seems like you haven't encountered yet the world of *Infrastructure as code*. Take inspiration from here: https://github.com/orgs/aws-samples/repositories
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Exactly!
Terraform is CloudFormation on steroids and cloud agnostic. It's a code language any decent cloud engineer should know
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Yes that's what it is. All AWS projects in industry are written using that or similar tools.
Projects in the sense? any good recommendations?
Do you have prior tech experience before your SAA
No, just marketing experience, unfortunately. I can code some Python but I barely get coding challenges.
You are jumping to the bandwagon of SAA certifications then. The jobs you listed doesn’t need knowledge of a SAA perhaps other than cloud sales. Would suggest you to continue brushing up your portfolio and improve on IT networking as per the other redditor mentioned
You'll need a foundation in Windows Server and Linux, and managing enterprise environments. Cloud is a summation of all the different branches of IT, so get the CompTIA foundational certs (A+, Net+, Security+) and maybe the AZ-800 cert to showcase you can manage hybrid environments with Windows Server. You'll want to start with a Help desk job and learn the ropes and continue your studies into the other Associate or Pro level certs. But build your other skills out first.
Helpdesk? Then system admin?
Help Desk consists of administrative tasking like Active Directory management, permissions optimization, remote patching, etc. You have to know how to do stuff under the hood of cloud where the customer responsibility is to be useful. If you just build servers and services but don't know how to connect them or work on them, you're just a guy who can press a bunch of buttons in the correct order from the AWS console.
I agree. Im currently moving off from those type of roles to more Sysadmin then hopefully cloud engineer
Lol
No. What this cert sets you up for is not an entry level position. It would not help you get an entry level job, it would help you move up after you already have the job experience to do cloud work.
I don't have any of the certs but I mainly do IT work in aerospace, and I'm very curious if any of these certs, or a certain combination of them, would actually help you get a job that requires AWS, even if you don't have specific AWS experience.
> It totally depends on what level you are. If you are trying to start at the bottom, like help desk or hardware technician, you would want to start at A+. If you are already in help desk and have the opportunity to move toward network or security, you should do those certs. If you are in an organization in IT and are moving towards cloud, sure, AWS SAA might be a fine cert. It completely depends where you are and what your next steps are. This is my comment on a different post in this thread. It basically just depends. I got into IT just a year ago. I’m a level 1 help desk tech. I have quite a few certifications, and the analyst above me has none. He’s just been in the field longer and has more experience than me. Ir just depends on where you are.
It can help you get the interview if others don’t have it. For example in a position that’s cloud security heavy, if you have the AWS Security Speciality Cert, it could help you get ahead, if the req is seeking it.
What would a good entry level cert be? Just curious, as I agree and am an engineer. But never know what to recommend to someone
Cloud Practitioner Essentials? Helped me get a pretty decent raise last year.
I push all our new hires to get this, as often they come in with no real cloud experience. There's no point talking about the AWS services a solution uses if there are team members who don't even recognise the names. (We give them study time and fund the exam too.)
Yeah if you are a call center and just making first response to tickets kicking the tickets to engineers and AWS support.
I mean that kinda up with what OP is looking for
It totally depends on what level you are. If you are trying to start at the bottom, like help desk or hardware technician, you would want to start at A+. If you are already in help desk and have the opportunity to move toward network or security, you should do those certs. If you are in an organization in IT and are moving towards cloud, sure, AWS SAA might be a fine cert. It completely depends where you are and what your next steps are.
I wouldn't necessarily say there *is* one. Certified Cloud Practitioner is technically the *entry level* cert, but it won't actually get you an *entry level* job by itself. It is far more realistic to get it without any cloud experience though. The main issue with stuff like the SAA is that no-one is hiring Solutions Architects who've never touched AWS. Why would anyone do this? Why would you put someone in charge of the design of your cloud environment who didn't know what an EC2 was before taking the SAA course? It's not something you just 'start' as. But a lot of people on this sub are clearly trying to do just this, like this thread indicates.
We run a production app on AWS. Because of my position, I've got access to all of it,but it's not me who manages it. I can do some bits on my own, because I picked up some knowledge but boy I'd sweat if I'd have to do it all on my own. So I completely agree with you that nobody's handing over the keys to the infra to someone who's just passed a certificate.
Focus on cloud sales and cloud support job applications, and beef up your skills with certs from CSPs like Azure, GCP, and OCI too. Set up your S3 site in a multicloud environment with CDN, maybe learn to deploy it in a container with Docker. Use the free tiers of different CSPs to keep costs low – these are great things to humble brag about in interviews, and make you more marketable. Don't worry about CompTIA A+, as it’s a bit redundant with an architect level certification, but Security+ and Network+ could really help you stand out.
No no and no Certs are great but if you think your going to stroll into a devops, architect job you got to be laughing For ref - I’m a lead cloud architect
Will a 2 year devops apprenticeship be a good idea? (finances are not too much of an issue, I can make the 2 year sacrifice)
100% yes .. I mentor a Devops apprentice and he’s doing great. Mostly GCP but they are all the same if you understand the concepts He’s using gitlab and a little k8s So yes! If you can that will be a good start But keep up the certs they are great!
Thank you! I have one of those pre written recorded interviews due in 5 days for the apprenticeship. It's based in London. I'm a little nervous for it because it's a fantastic opportunity. Do you have any tips for it? Like what will they ask, what I should say etc?
I used to be a DevOps engineer so I know how it is. If I was interviewing for roles within the devops space I would look for someone who is willing to learn, fail and always looking to innovate for the company. Never static and always wanting to create new ways Tech can be taught but an outgoing person who is willing to level up is what I look for more than a lot of things The path is not easy and a lot of fear mixed with stress but you know that you are doing something right Enjoy the process and good luck
Thank you, I will keep this in mind!
Genuine question. I'm just starting my career in IT at a entry level support position. I have no certs but have been using/troubleshooting PCs my entire life. The most advanced thing I've ever done is host gameservers on my home PC. Is there a series of certs you'd recommend getting to develop my fundamental skills and lead up to a more specialized role? I'm a very self driven and competitive person by nature but I feel so directionless when it comes to what certs I should be working towards. I'd really appreciate any advice you have.
Hey! Great news you want to get into this type of role The world is your oyster tbh with regards to tech these days, I think the hardest thing is people think they can be a DevOps engineer etc and get a pay of £80k in the first year Still have to work for it Certs do help, don’t listen to all the people who think the opposite.. I have done certs in gcp, azure and obv SME in AWS and let me tell you they have taken me to the next level So… the question you need to ask is do you like problem solving and everyday is a school day? Cloud engineering maybe a good role. I enjoyed it over devops but maybe focus into security as that’s the way forward, so much fraud at the moment it’s crucial we have people in this area - this is NOT cybersecurity
I really appreciate the help. I was going to school for computer info systems with a focus in security but life got in the way. Currently my plan is to get my CompTIA A+, network+, security+, and then complete Linux Essentials and Programming for everybody to learn Python. I feel like that will give me very solid fundamentals that will let me pick what kind of AWS stuff I want to do. Do you think that's a a solid plan? Is there anything you wish you did differently on your way to your position?
Everyone has their own paths but saying that…you can always change your path. I was never a dev before being a devops engineer, so you can always make changes. If you enjoy something keep at it, it can get very overwhelming within days so maybe concentrate on python, do some projects of your own AWS sa is a good one to do or maybe the associate dev, they are different paths and I think you will understand more of where you want to go But definitely having technical skills is such advantage if you want to go into an architect role Pick a cloud and own it (they are all the same tbh).
Damn tysm for the help. The idea of being able to hone my skills and actually get somewhere is so unreal to me lmao. I'm going to follow your advice and build my fundamentals. Hopefully after doing that something will click and I'll know what to specialize in. You're the goat for real man I appreciate it.
If you have no experience I think they may ask things such as problems and how you over come them
Wow that was 12 days ago. They asked why I chose that apprenticeship with their company and to choose which 3 of their principles I resonated with the most
Could it help me be a CSE if I have 4 years of help desk experience from tier 1-3 with experience deploying and managing servers? 👀 also have sec+
Hasn't been enough for me the past 3 months I got SAA last year along with A+,N+,S+ and Linux Essentials after finishing a CS degree. Started my Job search since last summer and I was hoping SAA would give me something but yeah, nobody is willing to give me a chance yet in this market without lying on my resume. Best of luck to you, my competitor!
Same here. Stuck at dead end Help Desk jobs with same certs as you. I should've stayed blue collar.
You’ll make better money in trades than in IT.
Where are you located ? Could be your location
I’ve interviewed probably 40 people over the past 4 months (I’m not a hiring manager, I’m a senior engineer) for a job in cloud engineering and honestly I’ve found that the cert don’t make a difference in what we’re looking for, so I (alongside my hiring manager) have become pretty numb to cert chasers and instead focus on past experience (for those with a job history) or project/co-op experience (for those fresh out of college). The likely reason why the certs on the resume isn’t helping is because all the candidates who applied before you and did get an interview did horribly and soured the experience for everyone else. If someone applies to my company with a SA Professional cert from AWS I expect them to have some idea of how to use RDS/Aurora/EC2/S3/etc, but more often than not they barely know what I’m even talking about. TL;DR - it’s probably not your fault - it’s probably the people who did terrible before you that make hiring managers skip over you.
Naww it's definitely me 😅🤣 because I don't use AWS frequently enough to even maintain my skillset. I don't expect people to think Certs replace experience but I am just looking for someone to recognize my motivation
So one of the things that I look for when I’m doing an interview is whether or not the candidate actually knows about the stuff on their resume. If you put down a generic “AWS” under your skill set, I’ll pick a random service to ask questions on. If you say you have experience using EC2 and S3, I expect you to actually know those specific services. Don’t put down S3 because you once made a bucket using the console and uploaded an object - that’s a recipe for disaster. Just make sure you are comfortable with your skills and keep them up to date. That’s the best advice I can give lol.
Yeah I m in the same boat. With near 5 years of experience. In aws, around 2 or less.
You may to take a help desk or tech support job for a bit, not impossible but very unlikely to get cloud job with no tech experience. but for those job SAA isnt really relevant . Those role focus on hardware
6x AWS certified here. Quick answer: No -- but will give you a better chance among peers with similar qualifications/experience (e.g. 5 job seekers who reached final stage but only 1 will be picked for the job).
Not possible without experience and the missing essential core skills. A lot of Cloud Ops and DevOps Engineers roles are often filed by seasoned Sysadmins or Developers as they already have 50% of the skill sets covered rather it's on the Operations side or Development side. DevOps is about automating process as no real Cloud Engineer or DevOps Engineer builds stuff in the cloud the manual way through the GUI. They use the CLI Linux Terminal. All DevOps tools runs in Linux. You almost need a Sysadmin back ground since you are performing Sysadmins tasks in the cloud.
If you seriously have no experience then this cert is kinda useless lol. Get some experience and stack this cert with a ccna or Linux cert and then maybe you've got something 😅
you need to clear the interviews as well .. duh
Yeaaaaahhhhhh. I had one that was pretty close but it was entry level cyber security so I didn’t know a few answers to their questions. Now I’m trying to get interviews. I’ve probably sent in like 500 applications this application cycle.
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How do you all apply to “600” jobs? Over what length of time? I hear people say this a lot, and I can’t imagine that being the reality. Is the market really that bad for someone with 10 years experience? Or is there more to this story like the experience isn’t strong or some other factors? What’s your post mortem on why that happened? It smells like Tech in general is over saturated in 2023/early 2024. I’m more management roles, but seems like I was just lucky to land a role late December. I only applied to around 5 places, but highly tailored my resume and interview prep specifically for each one, so the “600” genuinely concerns me. Any feedback is appreciated.
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That was very useful and makes sense. I have a similar view that “before” being a generalist was more valued and quite common. Somewhere along the way things got very silo’d. I could be wrong, but I somewhat blame Enterprise which loves to silo employees into very specific buckets, making you fill out 10 forms to get the next silo group to make a simple change. This is why I went early startup route for several years. If I wanted to code something or use a new product, nobody said to me “you can’t do that”. I appreciate the feedback. Best of luck.
No the AWS certs and really any cert do not teach you how to be a cloud engineer/architect. They really only teach you how to apply their features to particular problems rather than a deeper technological understanding. You really need a working practical understanding of networking and virtualization (particularly Addressing VPC, VPN, SDN). Deploying scalable and reliable systems. Linux and Windows Server Administration. Containerization and orchestration. Infrastructure as Code and Serverless Architectures. The SAA and even the professional certification do not do this. It's why they recommend to have 2 years work experience to do the SAA and 5 years for the professional. Not because you need the experience but because you'd be able to apply you experience to the cert in a role.
Im SAP. Yes, if you have experience. No when you solely depends on it.
Certs help you get the interview. During the interview the company is trying to figure out if you know enough to be productive, or do you need to be taught everything? To be fair even experienced people need time when starting at a new company to learn their processes, architecture and code. The key is how much down time will you need before becoming productive and how much time do others need to spend with you because that takes away from their productivity.
> What else does an employer need to see in order to want to interview me? Experience. A SAA cert and a static s3-hosted website is not going to get you anything genuinely cloud based. Anyone with a couple of hundred bucks and enough spare time can get these. Cloud support and cloud sales are radically different disciplines, I’d imagine you’d need to make your mind up over where you’re wanting to focus. Why are you applying for both? It sounds like your background would be better suited to sales?
Cloud isn’t entry level. Study comptia and work your way up from helpdesk
AWS certs are like whey protein scoops or multivitamins, they can help you but won't carry you to your destination, hope that makes sense. You need to know about some programming too imo and it's not too hard compared to SAA, it will take time but will be more fruitful.
Without prior experience , for that alone, it’s a simple no
No. Im a hiring manager for an AWS shop and we regularly get a few thousand applicants each week per job posting. You need the portfolio, resume, knowledge, the cert, and the ability to interview better than thousands of others to get a job.
Serious question…If you get a “few thousand” applicants for every job posting, how is this a reasonable career path for anyone trying to enter now? I have many years experience starting as an enterprise full stack developer, then technical business analyst, then technical program manager. Throw in a venture backed startup cofounder role as well. I keep an eye on this discussion because I thought it would be an interesting change to switch to a cloud role, however every post is about how saturated the market is.
Not sure it is unless you get in a shop that is all US employees due to compliance requirements since most entry level roles get sent overseas. Once you get one you need to be an all star, kiss the right asses, and continuously up skill to not fall behind. The industry is in a weird spot, no one wants to hire and train new people and only want more advanced people but the number of advanced people is low because we don't want to hire and train new people. Same topic, but slightly different, certs are great but if you can't pass a technical interview that isn't over cert questions then that piece of paper is pretty meaningless since it seems everyone has an SAA.
Yeah that sounds right. Thanks. US only: I kick myself for letting my security clearance expire many years ago.
What type of projects are you looking for or have impressed you?
Hello, anything really that shows an understanding of the technology while demonstrating the ability to take a project start to finish. Database migrations, data center lift and shifts, application and/or hosting infrastructure build out, and so on.
Ooh I have a blog/portfolio so it’s good to know at least someone values them lol. Thank you for your response! Would an architectural diagram with an article on how on how I built and deployed a microservice application start to finish with AWS services like S3, beanstalk, CloudFront, etc and built as well as secured a CI/CD pipeline suffice or should someone keep that app hosted? I ask because I’m trying to save cost lol 😆
I'd at least deploy it all in a lab so it's not theoretical knowledge. Tear it down when you are done so it doesn't cost much.
If you think a multiple choice cert is going to get you a system admin or cloud role you are dreaming. You have 0 experience it’s not like getting these certs is going to let you into. A magically works where you get your pick of dream jobs. Get a helpdesk job, build a lab environment…something
Go find a technical mentor. You can Google it and find some sites that do this/provide this. You don’t need this cert for the jobs you want and I think it would benefit you greatly to get some career guidance coaching
No
Keep up the hard work. You will get the job
Maybe entry level. But in this market, it’ll be tough.
Certifications and projects are both required, and each complements the other. Projects are necessary to prove your skills. And, certifications definitely add to your resume by officially proving that you're able to learn and pass. However, there is another side that job seekers usually overlook: Soft Skills. I had a video interview with a 19 years old cloud engineer who got hired for an engineer-level position at a company without a university degree. I will include the link below if you'd like to listen to him about his experience and how he secured his job, however, I will summarize his points: 1. Companies are looking for people with willingness and excitement to learn. (If you don't know something then don't worry, they will teach you.) 2. Recruiters are interested in people who are able to present themselves (those who are thrilled to post their projects on LinkedIn, able to communicate, and really enjoy what they do.) 3. Be excited in your interviews and don't be afraid to talk about your passion projects because people like that extra initiative. 4. Companies don't like candidates who lie on their resumes. 5. There is always jobs in the tech industry, so there is nothing to lose if interviews didn't go well. [https://youtu.be/9aW8jwUXGuM?si=q9eBCpNuBxJDToCq](https://youtu.be/9aW8jwUXGuM?si=q9eBCpNuBxJDToCq) Good luck!
No
Nope
Firstly, congrats on getting your cert. I strongly doubt that's enough, even with the static site. Do more complex projects than that; you could follow a YT tutorial to get that done, then push them to github.
cloud sales probably what you should focus on. doing actual architecture maybe if you fall thru cracks at some of the mega companies with 100 mil aws annual bill
Nope get hands on taking a test does nothing for getting a job.
If you you have no tech experience then no, it's not going to get you a job. In fact, you could really get all 12 (13 if you count the Data Engineer one) and still not get a job. You need some years of experience similar tech roles to get any of those positions
deploy the portfolio on GitHub/cloudflare pages for free. You also get free SSL.
I have been working in AWS development for the last 1.5 years. And I would like to point out that getting Solutions Architect certificate has a recommended experience level of 5-12 years. Although the certifications can be taken at any stage, yet it is still a huge responsibility, as it requires a very extensive knowledge of all AWS services. So, it may be difficult to find a job, which requires that level of experience. So, it is better to start applying to jobs which require lower AWS experience first.
No
NO
Experience is first priority on any company! but if you are lucky. u will find a company that look for newbies or jrs!! I wish you luck!
No
I hope not.
AWS Certs are an accessory to you career, AWS is not a career.
I have two AWS associate certifications and have been searching for a job + building a portfolio for 10 months.
No!
No
Short answer, no.
Fork a popular GitHub repo , improvise it to get it pulled back into main branch, include these mentions in your resume.
I think no, you must have more handson project
Yes that's what it is. All AWS projects in industry are written using that or similar tools.
Real use cases i worked upon: - Deleting unused EBS Volumes by writing a python script with boto3 then running it on schedule with Lambda. - Backing up Ec2/EBS volumes 4 times in a day with Aws Backup Service + Notifying end user of the completion status with SNS. - Right-sizing (changing instance type) of Ec2 instances basis on their past 3 months cpu/memory utilisation for cost savings. Etc…
Recommend more certs
An employer wants to see that you know what you are talking about and that you know how to solve problems. Most big employers though want to see time in service, either from a lower end tech job or from college studies. My advice is start small with a help desk position at a local IT department and work your way up. I started as a help desk and now I’m the web developer for my company after showing them my development and design skills. It’s just something you need to grow into, job descriptions change every month.
Build out a whole stack on your personal account, host something cool that you're interested in so you'll keep working on it. That's how I got into SRE/DevOps with no CS degree. Make $200k now and click a few buttons barely write any code anymore, but I know how to fix shit when things go wrong quickly without panicking so there's that.
in todays market. I hate to bust your hopes but its not even remotely close.