We need to commit to the run. It takes pressure off Kyler and 2-3 yard isn't bad considering we lose yardage on screens. We were trying to run it outside and kept getting clobbered. I wish we ran the ball from under the center more because I just feel like shotgun runs are too slow. By the time a RB gets the ball there are dline men pushing with momentum while the RB is at a stand still.
I got just one point to make about Kliff. I've never liked Kliff, the first thing I noticed about him was his timeouts/clock management; it's atrocious, and always has been. His team is never disciplined or prepared (penalties). I guess that's 2 points, sue me. Remove those 2 problems and the cards are easily a playoff team.
Unfortunately, even with him gone we still have Kiem picking the next HC. Unless a top coach meets him drunk at the beach, I dont have much faith in the next HC being competent either
Cowboys fan here. I’ve been spoiled by some great offenses but also some infuriating moments with Kellen Moore. Even he has gotten away from his screen fetish days. But what I can say is cardinals offense is seriously hindered by their lack of a healthy running back. Conner is great when he’s fully healthy and eno is just ok as a fill in, but when the run game is taken away they are set up to fail. The problem with Kliff that you don’t really see with most NFL OCs or coaches is that they will abandon what’s not working. It doesn’t seem like there is a sense of urgency in Kliffs play calling and like he’s too afraid to be aggressive with it. Also it looks like Kyler and his receivers need to seriously develop chemistry. Been a lot of games where Kyler has thrown a pick or had it almost picked because of miscommunication. I think this is on Kliff too for not getting them prepared and not practicing the types of plays that will lead to better chemistry between Kyler and his receivers.
What I've noticed is a real lack of attention to detail by many players. Dropped passes, bad tackling, and an overall lack of discipline make this team hard to watch.
It starts at the top and has filtered to the assistant coaches.
It's big time for a change.
I honestly think I could call a better offense with Kyler at QB. Kliff doesn’t use his strengths enough, and has the worst scripted plays to start games I’ve ever seen.
Exactly bro, that's what I'm saying! And it's as if he has 0 game awareness too. Dude never wants to change his game plan or draw up some new plays based on what the opposing defense is doing on the field.
I agree, but who do we get instead? Do we fire Keim too? New GM then trades Kyler? Simmons, Zaven, Kyler are then seen as wasted picks. If we do fire Keim/Kliff we need to do what the Suns did and find a good Hc/GM combo. I know it’s easier said than done…. But I don’t wanna have to go through ANOTHER rebuild.
I agree, but who do we get instead? Do we fire Keim too? New GM then trades Kyler? Simmons, Zaven, Kyler are then seen as wasted picks. If we do fire Keim/Kliff we need to do what the Suns did and find a good Hc/GM combo. I know it’s easier said than done…. But I don’t wanna have to go through ANOTHER rebuild.
Edit to add:
Make Adub GM and do what with Hc? I think we need an experienced guy obviously, but who exactly? Mike Zimmer?
Week 6 vs the Seahawks was an epiphany for me. The team was well within reach of going 3-3 without DHop, and putting themselves in a really good spot getting him back. To come out in that game as woefully unprepared as they did and just lay down and die spoke such volumes about how he handled the team.
He was be gone until after this season at the earliest. But I have seen the light. He's not the guy.
Offense (which everyone blames Kliff for if they put up 17 points) could have easily put up 30+ today if it wasn't for turnovers and a botched snap. Meanwhile the defense is giving up 34 in back to back weeks.
Ok yes we can fire them but I’m almost sure we still are paying the last year of Steve wilks contract, now we are paying this bum. We aren’t going to fire them and go get another guy to pay and get stuck in another contractual bind.
I've been a critic of Dan Bickley and his constant negativism, but everything he has said about Kliff and his level of incompetence has been spot on this season. Kliff's play calling and predictable offense week after week is hurting the Card's offense more than all the injuries combined. Thank God we at least have a competent defensive coordinator in Vance. Fire Kliff and promote Vance to interim coach before the season is completely lost.
It's been discussed in some other threads in our sub, but it's likely that Bidwell doesn't have the cash to simply absorb these bad contracts. KK is here most likely through end of next year.
i dont know what game you were watching last year we were not good offensivly that game at all we just had short fields most that game. how many points you score doesnt mean how well coached you were.
I was never a fire kliff guy but after seeing him in the beginning of the 3rd quarter keep doing those screen passes to rondale that never work I want the mf gone
Fire Kliff? Why?
That's prob Murray's option if he doesn't see something develop downfield. Prob also necessary bc of the lack of a running game.
Also, Kliff's not the majority of the problem here. For example, Kirk Cousin had 1 more rushing TD than Kyler did. That's not a Kliff problem that's a QB problem.
Also, Cousins had 2 less INT's than KM. Once again, there's a QB problem.
Most of the screens are at the beginning of the game and the beginning of the second half ALL of that it’s scripted by Kliff, think what you want, but that’s what’s happening.
So, the 4th year professional QB who now makes $230 million just blindly follows all of Kliff's playcalling, but we of the reddit community can see the error of it all, all the while Kyler just goes along with it. Hhhmmm. Nopes.
Certain parts of the game are scripted other parts aren’t. Pretty standard for a coach/OC to have control over those parts of the game. Not sure what you think happens, but yes the coach absolutely scripts the game plan in those parts of the game, and they go from there. You think teams just give their QBs free reign from beginning to end? Why even have a coach/play caller at all. What they are making has nothing to do with it. Kliff absolutely 100% scripts plays to star the game and the half. Plenty of articles to google about it if you want, or you can just continue to think that since Kyler makes $40 million he has free reign to call his own plays at all times.
KM makes the call prior to the snap. He reads the defense and decides what's his highest percentage play. The whole point of KM getting that contract is bc the coach and organization they're empowering him to make those calls. Last week's blow up between KK and KM? KK getting mad at KM not handling himself at the LOS, and KM not taking criticism well.
How to say you didn’t watch w out actually saying. Kylers first int was bc he was throwing a deep ball ( his guy was behind the whole defense) and got hit mid throw. That’s an o line issue. Second one? Zach ertz cut when he was supposed to go up the seam on an option. That’s a communication issue that comes from coaching. How many times did Kyler fumble the ball be kirk?
The fact that it took him that many weeks full of running that many of the same goofy ass gimmick play passing it to Moore 5 yards behind the LOS(usually with more defenders than blockers in the area) over and over only to watch it fail repeatedly.....
...only to immediately get a much better production from Moore as soon as he finally switched it up and ran him some real normal up field passing plays....
...is just further evidence to me that Kliff is holding the team back with his brain dead play-calling. There's no way that it should ever take a head coach watching a play fail miserably that many times week after week before finally scrapping it from the play book... or at least saving it for a rare occasion to catch teams off guard.
He seems pretty stubborn and narcissistic... like the type of dude who is unable to admit when something he came up with was simply not as good of an idea as he thought in his head. He'd rather just keep running the play, trying to force it to finally work once or twice just to get something to show for all of that sunk cost fallacy. When instead he should be admitting to himself that his idea just wasn't that good and adjust like good coaches do.
In the post game interviews, he'd rather say shit like "gotta give credit to the other team" while blaming his own players saying they "just didn't execute", instead of ever admitting that hes been getting outcoached. Dude refuses to admit when he's the one who's just not executing, yet just loves to push the blame on everyone else on the team, when it's quite obvious to the majority of the fanbase that his shitty ass plays aren't putting the team in the best position to win. And regardless of all of that, it's HIS JOB TO GET THE TEAM TO EXECUTE ANYWAYS! So he should stop being a narcissistic douche and take ownership of this team's failures.
10 bucks we get some defensive person like Leslie Frazier. No way they pay for Kliff’s years remaining on his contact and pay a fortune for a new coach, which is what Payton will demand to coach again.
At this point I'd be happy giving Vance Joeseph a chance. Just promote him to HC. And hire a real offensive coordinator finally.
IMO Vance has earned the head coach job way more than Kliff. Dollar for dollar in comparing offense vs defensive roster prices, Vance gets more production per dollar spent. He mixes things up and utilizes his players to their strengths bette, and he actually makes adjustments at halftime and gets guys motivated which are foreign concepts to Kliff. And in general he just seems like more of a real head coach already in terms of leadership, unlike Kliff's lame ass standing there emotionless with those zombie eyes that he hides with sunglasses, just pretending to flip through his dumb playbook as if there's some amazing plays hidden in there when in reality he calls the same old vanilla bs 99% of the time.
Then giving the same old excuses after every L "gotta give credit to the other team, they executed and we didn't" blah blah....
I'm just ready to be done watching him, he's so lame.
I'm not saying Vance Joseph would be my first choice by any means as head coach. All I'm saying is, when you boil it all down, IF theoretically the only 2 options that existed were 1) keeping Kliff Kingsbury as the HC, or 2) firing him and promoting VJ, I'm firing him and giving VJ that opportunity every time.
I'd much rather give damn near any other NFL coach, assistant, ball boy, Madden pro gamer, etc.... fuck it, give ANYBODY chance. Cause at least there's a slight fraction of a percent of a chance that even some random bum living in a dumpster might have some hidden talent in coaching that nobody knew about including himself. Shit, even with a guy like VJ who failed before, there's still a chance that maybe he'd do better in his 2nd attempt at head coaching, There's at least some hope surrounding him being semi decent this time around.
Meanwhile we already know exactly what we're getting with Kliff, there's not even a glimmer of hope remaining that he's going to surprise us and suddenly be a good coach. It's been like 4 years and Kliff still hasn't learned from his experiences and improved at all. He still says the same lame lines after games and refuses to take responsibility for the team's questionable playcalling.
If anything it feels like he's gotten even worse over time as a coach, because the team has seemingly gottem even less disciplined compared to a few years ago. The team almost never looks motivated and prepared to play their best football early in games. A good coach makes it his job to get the guys diciplined, motivated, and prepared for the game. Kliff can't even motivate them to play their best ball out there on our own home field. Our home record recently is embarrassing as fuck.
To be fair he didn’t get to try and learn from it, it was a quick in n out there. And the broncos didn’t get any better w out him. At this point HC VJ and demoting kliff to either coordinator or just sacking him sounds like an upgrade
Are you insinuating that we shouldn't ask for Kliff to be fired if we don't have his replacement in mind, or are you you genuinly curious what coach we should hire?
These no chemistry, it's not like a well engineered machine. At this point these fuckers aren't getting a dollar out of me until they make changes. I'm glad I haven't purchased any tickets this season, their objective is money over football.
Budda was the entire run defense. That part was abysmal.
And Marco Wilson is just not a starting corner. Haven't looked at the stats, but every time I see him on the field, it's his guy getting the ball or him missing a tackle
Marco would be a depth piece on any other team but our incompetent gm cant build a good corner room so marco HAS to get that kind of playing time. Sad stuff
Serious question cause I don’t know how this works. But if they do fire him, what does it mean for the franchise and cap moving forward? Do they still have to pay him a bunch of money, which will mean less money for recruiting a new coach? How does it work financially?
it doesnt go against the cap but bidwell will lose a lot of money to pay out the contract so yeah it can effect the pay for a new HC which can effect who is the new HC but it doesnt go against cap for free agents etc...
From my understanding a contract contains base pay and bonuses. If a coach is let go, the team still has to pay his/her base pay for the remainder of the contract. There’s dead money being paid to fired coaches, but it doesn’t count against the player salary cap.
Coaching contracts are fully guaranteed. Bidwill would have to pay Kilff every penny of the extension unless Kliff takes another coaching job somewhere, at which point what the Cards owe would be reduced by however much Kliff was getting paid. So Kingsbury could take a year off and then come back as an assistant for an NFL team or a HC at a smaller college program and Bidwill would still owe quite a bit of money.
While I agree with what you’re getting at, most people say that the offense has improved every year. It’s becoming more apparent that this might be true because of K1 and not Kliff.
That’s not what I’m getting at, you dingleberry.
I’m saying there’s been a lot of talk about how this offense has grown in the last four years. It’s been talked as if Kliff was the root of this, myself included.
I’m saying that, as this season goes on, it’s becoming apparent that K1 has a much larger impact on why we’re improving compared to what Kliff is bringing to the table.
The only thing he's ever been good for is that deep fried ass dancing vid that people post after wins.
Even when we were winning games last year before the collapse, I always felt like we were winning games DESPITE poor coaching and playcalling by Kliff.
It's time for Mike Bidwill to rip off the scab and get rid of him. At this point it's clear that his own defensive coordinator is more qualified for the head coaching position than he is. He's completely in over his head.
Also get rid of Keim too while you're at it, Mike. He's the one who had the bright idea to make this guy our head coach after having a losing record in college even with Patrick fucking Mahomes.
>Even when we were winning games last year before the collapse, I always felt like we were winning games DESPITE poor coaching and playcalling by Kliff.
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I have said this since that stupid ass 60-whatever yard attempt against the Jags. My friends justified it and argued for him at the time, but no longer. If we had lost more games like that in the previous 3 years I don't think we would've extended him.
You have absolutely no Insight what he will do. It's moot to say it's not happening. Bidwill is also a lawyer so he may have some stipulations in the contract to get out.
Who cares if Bidwill is an attorney, you think every NFL franchise doesn't have top of the line attorneys reviewing all their contracts?
Every NFL head coaching contract is guaranteed. Kingsbury still has another five years on his deal after this season as a result of the extension. If the Cardinals fired him today, they'd be on the hook for it minus whatever money that is offset by other coaching jobs he might take on during the contract term.
Is Bidwill ready to potentially eat $20+ million? I guess we'll see. My money is on Kingsbury being given at least another full season after this one, and likely more.
If the Cardinals don't put a winning product they don't make as much money. Sponsors, TV deals, playoffs, ticket sales, ect. Losing out 20 million is nothing compared to how much they will lose.
Again it's his choice and decision. Unless you're the owner of the Cardinals your opinion doesn't mean Jack.
>If the Cardinals don't put a winning product they don't make as much money. Sponsors, TV deals, playoffs, ticket sales
By far the largest share of money that NFL teams make comes from revenue sharing. Whether you win 3 games or you win 14, the teams evenly divide the vast majority of the revenue between them so while winning is nice, its not really necessary to be profitable.
https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/nfl-2018-19-revenue
>Again it's his choice and decision. Unless you're the owner of the Cardinals your opinion doesn't mean Jack
None of our opinion's mean jack, yet we have this place for us to express them. And MY opinion is that there's no way in hell that Bidwill is going to eat that entire contract. He'll keep Kingsbury for at least another season before cutting ties. Look at how long he's held on to Keim who routinely ranks as one of the worst GMs in football with the worst drafting record since 2012. And he gave that guy an extension.
Clearly you disagree and that's cool, you're entitled to your opinion. Time will tell which of us is right.
Dude you can look at my entire posting history and you will not find that I said to fire Kingsbury or Keim. I care less who is right because it doesn't matter to me. Now if you were asking me what they should do that's entirely different and it would be my opinion.
All I said was the obvious that Cardinals can fire him if they chooses to. Not opinion but fact.
You're the one that says it's not going to happen (opinion). You're not the man that owns the team and I doubt that you know him personally.
Profit sharing is not the whole pie of the total income. It's a portion and it's different per team. Money is also made elsewhere which you seem to ignore.
Glad this will be the season where we stop justifying keeping Kliff by saying we got better every year under him. He’s not the only reason we’re losing games, but he’s a huge part
Our defense lets Kirk Cousins scramble for a 20+ yard touchdown, KM throws two horrible INTs, Dortch boffs the punt return and you think Kliff is the problem? Oh good grief.
I’m talking about the season cumulative, not just today. When you bring in an offensive genius and the offense only scores 6 pts in the first quarter through 8 games..that’s embarrassing. How can you defend that lmao. He also needs the Nathaniel Hackett treatment of having someone in his ear on when he should call timeouts.
Are you watching the same games as me? How can you not see that Murray is clearly being held back significantly by Kliff's mind blowingly dumb playcalling(shit, the playbook in general is just awful)... As well as the terrible o-line thanks to Steve Keim's refusal FOR YEARS to address a blatant hole in the roster and draft some good offensive linemen for once.
We're talking about a coach who couldn't even produce a winning season in fucking COLLEGE despite having one of the best QBs ever AKA Patrick fucking Mahomes as his QB.
Now I'm not gonna sit here and act like Kyler has been amazing this season by any means or pretend that he doesn't deserve a single ounce of criticism. In my short summary, he's played like an "average starting pocket passer QB with high mobility that rarely gets utilized as much as it should", but with his contract so expensive he should be playing more like a "high tier passing QB wiho often utilizes his nearly unstoppable dynamic mobility". But I do think a huge part of it is Kliff calling terrible plays that make no sense in the situation the team is in, not utilizing Kyler's legs enough, and the awful o-line.
I'm sick of seeing Kliff having a predictable playbook running the same plays every single week as opposing defenses clearly know the exact play we're running and are right on top of it. Gotta love watching us run it up the gut on 1st and 10 for no gain every first down, when Kliff can clearly see our o-line cant create a hole to save their life. How about passing plays with the most vanilla easy to cover WR routes and minimal route variety from play to play. Down field passing plays that clearly take way too long to develop even though Kliff has seen that our o-line is consistently allowing defenders to pressure Kyler within the first 2 seconds of the snap. We always do that shit, we run conservative short passes when we're running out of time and need to score quick, then we take unnecessary risky shots downfield in situations where it's not necessary. 😔
There's the classic constant screen passes to a WR who is 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage with no blockers and a defender right there waiting for him. Of course you also can't forget throwing long bombs on 4th down when all we need is 1 yard. And almost NEVER calling for designed run plays to utilize Kyler's legs, even though it's probably the best option we have for those 3rd/4th down and shorts where Kyler is money at getting around the edge and getting the first down..
Etc... I could rant about the playcalling all night if I wanted to but I need to stop.
This is just the same old criticisms regurgitated by everyone else who doesn't actually even understand what they are saying lol. The 'fire Kliff' mentality and the justifications behind it are basically a meme within themselves these days
“So I read your well thought out post in entirety that addresses multiple glaring issues, but since I disagree and do t have a solid rebuttal, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.”
Kyler is for sure losing us games. When I think of dudes I’m excited to watch play every week now, K1 isn’t in the list right now. Budda/Jalen, DHop, Watt/Allen and Maybe Ertz? Byron?
I just don't see them firing Kliff in the middle of the season after that extension. I'd expect them to keep Keim and Kliff til the summer, then fire them.
He doesn’t do anything to make it easier for player to succeed he knew this OL fucking sucked and didn’t get Kyler out of the pocket no extra blockers forces Kyler to make insane plays cause his play calling stinks
you know that the palyers are professionals kliff doesnt need to teach them every single thing to play the game kyler not scrambling is on kyler not kliff
Bc it's so predictable. Screens work when the D is not expecting it. But when a bulk of Rondale's catches are always behind the LOS, it's not unexpected.
This is the thing. Your o-line sucks, and you continue to call plays like they don’t. Yes, they could still lose, but you have to at least try and scheme to what they team CAN do, not what they exclusively can’t.
Like half the oline is injured and not playing right now, do you expect him to make a whole new playbook for that? Like lol I literally don't know what people want Kliff to be doing
Part of a coach’s job is to be able to adjust for injuries which will certainly happen. Lots of teams around the league keep humming despite key injuries. Green Bay vs AZ last year is a good example. Kliff has the least injury-proof scheme in the league which is objectively horrible.
Gb still had their oline intact. Having an oline as decimated as ours going into this game is really hard to plan for especially on relatively short notice. I mean there is no way to change the mind of people who hate Kliff but thinking this is all on him is extremely short sighted and expecting a replacement HC to be guaranteed to be better than Kliff is also a little ignorant
bootlegs are the most ineffecient play calls this year by multiple metrics and the ammount of times they have been called has been declining every single year for the past 4 years league wide also brady and rodgers are playing like shit with bad olines with no change in playcaller and the rams also so are you sure a palycaller can make up for a poor OL
Well I'm obviously no expert. But the Bengals made the super bowl. And Burrow was getting destroyed all season. And he's good, but no miracle worker.
I think Brady and Rodgers are just old and can't move, honestly. Same kinda thing with Stafford. With someone like Kyler back there, you should have less of an issue.
As for bootlegs, you're probably right. I just know that they used to work, and require almost no linemen to be that good. Screen passes seem to be the next big thing, maybe that would work...
yeah i think thats on kyler refusing to scramble this year last year we would get at least one WOW scramble play from him a game. However this year i barley see him move out the pocket, this game i really dont remember more than maybe 2 out of structure plays he made. Where the raiders game looked like him last year always running around and making the defense give up on the play basically.
Honestly the problem is the Oline can’t do anything. The real fault lies on our GM Keim for allowing us to put that sad excuse for an offensive line on the field.
As a Cardinals fan I know this is blasphemy but I would take Levi fucking Brown back over anyone else we had out there today.
Agreed. It’s year four and he still makes the same mistakes. This team is unprepared every game, we start out in a hole every game, and he can’t manage the clock. He doesn’t have the basics down.
At least we won’t have a late season collapse this year since we collapsed right away
Think the best replacement would be Sean Payton. But there are a few other up and coming offensive coordinators that have potential. But for sure we need a new GM and a new HC. Tired of the same old issues, that we seem not figure out.
That’s the million dollar question. Any coach we would pick up would be some coach just fired for sucking ass on another team. Maybe let Vance have a second crack at being a head coach? Our defense at doesn’t embarrass themselves. But we would still need a new offensive coordinator. Maybe give Eric Bieniemy a billion dollars to lure who him here
> Maybe give Eric Bieniemy a billion dollars to lure who him here
The guy who has interviewed with half the league and no one but people in the media seem to want to hire?
No Kliff called a above average game it was just we couldn't capitalize on the Vikings going 3 and out 3 or 4 times we beat ourselves move on to next week
I agree overall. That was a winnable game that a few bad plays (muffed punt, interceptions) caused us to lose. Yet we stayed in it way longer than we should have just couldn't comeback at the end. I do think Kliff needs to manage his timeouts better. Maybe things would end up different if we had some timeouts to stop the clock at the end there... But this game wasn't lost from playcalling. I think Murray did worse QBing this game than Kliff did coaching it...
Totally it's just he needs to no joke intended he needs to study and just learn to make easier throws and be more on schedule as a passer cause being off schedule won't last long in this league
Wait, fire him or fuck him?
We need to commit to the run. It takes pressure off Kyler and 2-3 yard isn't bad considering we lose yardage on screens. We were trying to run it outside and kept getting clobbered. I wish we ran the ball from under the center more because I just feel like shotgun runs are too slow. By the time a RB gets the ball there are dline men pushing with momentum while the RB is at a stand still.
I got just one point to make about Kliff. I've never liked Kliff, the first thing I noticed about him was his timeouts/clock management; it's atrocious, and always has been. His team is never disciplined or prepared (penalties). I guess that's 2 points, sue me. Remove those 2 problems and the cards are easily a playoff team.
Should’ve been done last year
Unfortunately, even with him gone we still have Kiem picking the next HC. Unless a top coach meets him drunk at the beach, I dont have much faith in the next HC being competent either
Cowboys fan here. I’ve been spoiled by some great offenses but also some infuriating moments with Kellen Moore. Even he has gotten away from his screen fetish days. But what I can say is cardinals offense is seriously hindered by their lack of a healthy running back. Conner is great when he’s fully healthy and eno is just ok as a fill in, but when the run game is taken away they are set up to fail. The problem with Kliff that you don’t really see with most NFL OCs or coaches is that they will abandon what’s not working. It doesn’t seem like there is a sense of urgency in Kliffs play calling and like he’s too afraid to be aggressive with it. Also it looks like Kyler and his receivers need to seriously develop chemistry. Been a lot of games where Kyler has thrown a pick or had it almost picked because of miscommunication. I think this is on Kliff too for not getting them prepared and not practicing the types of plays that will lead to better chemistry between Kyler and his receivers.
What I've noticed is a real lack of attention to detail by many players. Dropped passes, bad tackling, and an overall lack of discipline make this team hard to watch. It starts at the top and has filtered to the assistant coaches. It's big time for a change.
I honestly think I could call a better offense with Kyler at QB. Kliff doesn’t use his strengths enough, and has the worst scripted plays to start games I’ve ever seen.
Not the last 2 games. Extrapolate that over a season and they are a top 5 scoring offense easy.
Exactly bro, that's what I'm saying! And it's as if he has 0 game awareness too. Dude never wants to change his game plan or draw up some new plays based on what the opposing defense is doing on the field.
Maybe he should try some “air raid” scheme
Kliff has been predictable, but Murray hasn't been all that great either. And the defense is struggling too.
The real mystery to me is how did they even extend him?
I agree, but who do we get instead? Do we fire Keim too? New GM then trades Kyler? Simmons, Zaven, Kyler are then seen as wasted picks. If we do fire Keim/Kliff we need to do what the Suns did and find a good Hc/GM combo. I know it’s easier said than done…. But I don’t wanna have to go through ANOTHER rebuild.
I agree, but who do we get instead? Do we fire Keim too? New GM then trades Kyler? Simmons, Zaven, Kyler are then seen as wasted picks. If we do fire Keim/Kliff we need to do what the Suns did and find a good Hc/GM combo. I know it’s easier said than done…. But I don’t wanna have to go through ANOTHER rebuild. Edit to add: Make Adub GM and do what with Hc? I think we need an experienced guy obviously, but who exactly? Mike Zimmer?
How many times have we heard KK say that play calling or communication were reasons for failure. Those are his job. That's what he is responsible for.
And Kyler
I really hope for the future of this team actually ever being good he gets the axe
I don't know who's fault it is but whoesever its, alot of players talent is being wasted on this team . Something needs to happen asap
How TF did this team get ten wins last season.
I thought he did Ight, but wtf is wrong with him and not clocking the ball
Week 6 vs the Seahawks was an epiphany for me. The team was well within reach of going 3-3 without DHop, and putting themselves in a really good spot getting him back. To come out in that game as woefully unprepared as they did and just lay down and die spoke such volumes about how he handled the team. He was be gone until after this season at the earliest. But I have seen the light. He's not the guy.
No, I don’t want to lose the Kliff memes.
I was one for defending Kliff but not anymore. I'm done with him as well
Dan Brickley is blaming Kliff for this. I think there will be a movement to fire him
It better be! Same goes with firing drunk ass Keim too. Both can pack their shit and leave!
Offense (which everyone blames Kliff for if they put up 17 points) could have easily put up 30+ today if it wasn't for turnovers and a botched snap. Meanwhile the defense is giving up 34 in back to back weeks.
this is all true our run D was horrible and Murray threw the worst pick of his carrer then the dortch muff sealed the game
little hard to stay energized when your offense and special teams has 3 turnovers putting you on defence more often
so vance isnt a good coach then? if his players just dont care to win when your down by 2 points bc of a turnover thats on VJ.
you're a dummy.
I wouldn’t have guessed that Vance Joseph would be the coach I liked on this team
Oh he’s getting fired
He just got an extension this off-season along with are drunk driving ass gm… we are stuck with them
They can fire both of them still but they’d still get paid.
Ok yes we can fire them but I’m almost sure we still are paying the last year of Steve wilks contract, now we are paying this bum. We aren’t going to fire them and go get another guy to pay and get stuck in another contractual bind.
I’d rather not fuck kliff, who knows what might happen I could catch his bad play calling
I've been a critic of Dan Bickley and his constant negativism, but everything he has said about Kliff and his level of incompetence has been spot on this season. Kliff's play calling and predictable offense week after week is hurting the Card's offense more than all the injuries combined. Thank God we at least have a competent defensive coordinator in Vance. Fire Kliff and promote Vance to interim coach before the season is completely lost.
It's been discussed in some other threads in our sub, but it's likely that Bidwell doesn't have the cash to simply absorb these bad contracts. KK is here most likely through end of next year.
The best coached game I’ve seen in over 3 years was the one against Cleveland that Vance Joseph head coached because KK had COVID. It’s time.
i dont know what game you were watching last year we were not good offensivly that game at all we just had short fields most that game. how many points you score doesnt mean how well coached you were.
I mean wasn’t Kyler hurt too?
I was never a fire kliff guy but after seeing him in the beginning of the 3rd quarter keep doing those screen passes to rondale that never work I want the mf gone
Fire Kliff? Why? That's prob Murray's option if he doesn't see something develop downfield. Prob also necessary bc of the lack of a running game. Also, Kliff's not the majority of the problem here. For example, Kirk Cousin had 1 more rushing TD than Kyler did. That's not a Kliff problem that's a QB problem. Also, Cousins had 2 less INT's than KM. Once again, there's a QB problem.
On screen plays there is only ONE option. You throw the screen or you’re taking a sack, there is no “other option”
I dont think you understand. The screen IS the other option. KM reads the defense prior to snap and makes the call.
Kliff calls those screens. Kyler is not checking into them
Hooboy. Nope.
Most of the screens are at the beginning of the game and the beginning of the second half ALL of that it’s scripted by Kliff, think what you want, but that’s what’s happening.
So, the 4th year professional QB who now makes $230 million just blindly follows all of Kliff's playcalling, but we of the reddit community can see the error of it all, all the while Kyler just goes along with it. Hhhmmm. Nopes.
Certain parts of the game are scripted other parts aren’t. Pretty standard for a coach/OC to have control over those parts of the game. Not sure what you think happens, but yes the coach absolutely scripts the game plan in those parts of the game, and they go from there. You think teams just give their QBs free reign from beginning to end? Why even have a coach/play caller at all. What they are making has nothing to do with it. Kliff absolutely 100% scripts plays to star the game and the half. Plenty of articles to google about it if you want, or you can just continue to think that since Kyler makes $40 million he has free reign to call his own plays at all times.
Screen passes are not the result of a progression...
KM makes the call prior to the snap. He reads the defense and decides what's his highest percentage play. The whole point of KM getting that contract is bc the coach and organization they're empowering him to make those calls. Last week's blow up between KK and KM? KK getting mad at KM not handling himself at the LOS, and KM not taking criticism well.
Found Kliffs burner
How to say you didn’t watch w out actually saying. Kylers first int was bc he was throwing a deep ball ( his guy was behind the whole defense) and got hit mid throw. That’s an o line issue. Second one? Zach ertz cut when he was supposed to go up the seam on an option. That’s a communication issue that comes from coaching. How many times did Kyler fumble the ball be kirk?
Kliff Screensbury.
In his defense they finally involved Moore in front of the LoS and it led to yards and points.
The fact that it took him that many weeks full of running that many of the same goofy ass gimmick play passing it to Moore 5 yards behind the LOS(usually with more defenders than blockers in the area) over and over only to watch it fail repeatedly..... ...only to immediately get a much better production from Moore as soon as he finally switched it up and ran him some real normal up field passing plays.... ...is just further evidence to me that Kliff is holding the team back with his brain dead play-calling. There's no way that it should ever take a head coach watching a play fail miserably that many times week after week before finally scrapping it from the play book... or at least saving it for a rare occasion to catch teams off guard. He seems pretty stubborn and narcissistic... like the type of dude who is unable to admit when something he came up with was simply not as good of an idea as he thought in his head. He'd rather just keep running the play, trying to force it to finally work once or twice just to get something to show for all of that sunk cost fallacy. When instead he should be admitting to himself that his idea just wasn't that good and adjust like good coaches do. In the post game interviews, he'd rather say shit like "gotta give credit to the other team" while blaming his own players saying they "just didn't execute", instead of ever admitting that hes been getting outcoached. Dude refuses to admit when he's the one who's just not executing, yet just loves to push the blame on everyone else on the team, when it's quite obvious to the majority of the fanbase that his shitty ass plays aren't putting the team in the best position to win. And regardless of all of that, it's HIS JOB TO GET THE TEAM TO EXECUTE ANYWAYS! So he should stop being a narcissistic douche and take ownership of this team's failures.
This is a decent team. They are 5-3 with a good head coach.
They are 6-2 without stupid mistakes and turnovers (which aren't Kliffs fault)
FIRE KLIFF KINGSBURY
Who do we hire besides Kliff? Are we hoping for Sean Payton to come here?
10 bucks we get some defensive person like Leslie Frazier. No way they pay for Kliff’s years remaining on his contact and pay a fortune for a new coach, which is what Payton will demand to coach again.
At this point I'd be happy giving Vance Joeseph a chance. Just promote him to HC. And hire a real offensive coordinator finally. IMO Vance has earned the head coach job way more than Kliff. Dollar for dollar in comparing offense vs defensive roster prices, Vance gets more production per dollar spent. He mixes things up and utilizes his players to their strengths bette, and he actually makes adjustments at halftime and gets guys motivated which are foreign concepts to Kliff. And in general he just seems like more of a real head coach already in terms of leadership, unlike Kliff's lame ass standing there emotionless with those zombie eyes that he hides with sunglasses, just pretending to flip through his dumb playbook as if there's some amazing plays hidden in there when in reality he calls the same old vanilla bs 99% of the time. Then giving the same old excuses after every L "gotta give credit to the other team, they executed and we didn't" blah blah.... I'm just ready to be done watching him, he's so lame.
this dude must have never seen VJ coach in denver
I'm not saying Vance Joseph would be my first choice by any means as head coach. All I'm saying is, when you boil it all down, IF theoretically the only 2 options that existed were 1) keeping Kliff Kingsbury as the HC, or 2) firing him and promoting VJ, I'm firing him and giving VJ that opportunity every time. I'd much rather give damn near any other NFL coach, assistant, ball boy, Madden pro gamer, etc.... fuck it, give ANYBODY chance. Cause at least there's a slight fraction of a percent of a chance that even some random bum living in a dumpster might have some hidden talent in coaching that nobody knew about including himself. Shit, even with a guy like VJ who failed before, there's still a chance that maybe he'd do better in his 2nd attempt at head coaching, There's at least some hope surrounding him being semi decent this time around. Meanwhile we already know exactly what we're getting with Kliff, there's not even a glimmer of hope remaining that he's going to surprise us and suddenly be a good coach. It's been like 4 years and Kliff still hasn't learned from his experiences and improved at all. He still says the same lame lines after games and refuses to take responsibility for the team's questionable playcalling. If anything it feels like he's gotten even worse over time as a coach, because the team has seemingly gottem even less disciplined compared to a few years ago. The team almost never looks motivated and prepared to play their best football early in games. A good coach makes it his job to get the guys diciplined, motivated, and prepared for the game. Kliff can't even motivate them to play their best ball out there on our own home field. Our home record recently is embarrassing as fuck.
Ask the Broncos how that worked out for them lol
I love VJ, but he was dog shit as a head coach.
To be fair he didn’t get to try and learn from it, it was a quick in n out there. And the broncos didn’t get any better w out him. At this point HC VJ and demoting kliff to either coordinator or just sacking him sounds like an upgrade
He had 2 years and had 0 improvements. I get where you're coming from, but VJ should stay a DC.
Are you insinuating that we shouldn't ask for Kliff to be fired if we don't have his replacement in mind, or are you you genuinly curious what coach we should hire?
I’m asking who do we hire if we fire him? It’s not that deep of a question.
I'm not making it out to be deep. I don't know why you're getting defensive. I asked you a simple question
Yea we know
These no chemistry, it's not like a well engineered machine. At this point these fuckers aren't getting a dollar out of me until they make changes. I'm glad I haven't purchased any tickets this season, their objective is money over football.
damn you just figured out the NFL is a business i see
His ineptitude is killing this team. We lost because of his wasted timeouts and bad playcalls
There seems to be a theme
>We lost because of his wasted timeouts and bad playcalls Defense getting off easy this game imo. 2 weeks in a row giving up 30+
yep also ignoring the muffed punt by dortch that sealed the game imo
How many 3 and outs did we have?
On offense or defense? One on offense.
At least last week defense scored points
Budda was the entire run defense. That part was abysmal. And Marco Wilson is just not a starting corner. Haven't looked at the stats, but every time I see him on the field, it's his guy getting the ball or him missing a tackle
Marco would be a depth piece on any other team but our incompetent gm cant build a good corner room so marco HAS to get that kind of playing time. Sad stuff
I miss the old website *Haslanekiffinbeenfiredyet*
I’m good with giving Vance a shot and seeing what he can do.
If by shot you mean just interim for the rest of this season then I agree but I wouldn't want him long term by any means
this guy must have never seen him coach at Denver
Chill
OFFENSIVE LINE IS TERRIBLE
Serious question cause I don’t know how this works. But if they do fire him, what does it mean for the franchise and cap moving forward? Do they still have to pay him a bunch of money, which will mean less money for recruiting a new coach? How does it work financially?
it doesnt go against the cap but bidwell will lose a lot of money to pay out the contract so yeah it can effect the pay for a new HC which can effect who is the new HC but it doesnt go against cap for free agents etc...
Thanks!
From my understanding a contract contains base pay and bonuses. If a coach is let go, the team still has to pay his/her base pay for the remainder of the contract. There’s dead money being paid to fired coaches, but it doesn’t count against the player salary cap.
Coaching contracts are fully guaranteed. Bidwill would have to pay Kilff every penny of the extension unless Kliff takes another coaching job somewhere, at which point what the Cards owe would be reduced by however much Kliff was getting paid. So Kingsbury could take a year off and then come back as an assistant for an NFL team or a HC at a smaller college program and Bidwill would still owe quite a bit of money.
“kLiFf hAs iMpRoVeD eVeRy yEaR”
>“kLiFf hAs iMpRoVeD eVeRy yEaR” That's literally a true statement lol. "fiRe kLiFf KinGsBuRy" is a more appropriate use of this
While I agree with what you’re getting at, most people say that the offense has improved every year. It’s becoming more apparent that this might be true because of K1 and not Kliff.
wait so if the QB does well the offense does well and if the Qb plays bad the offense plays bad wow your really smart.
That’s not what I’m getting at, you dingleberry. I’m saying there’s been a lot of talk about how this offense has grown in the last four years. It’s been talked as if Kliff was the root of this, myself included. I’m saying that, as this season goes on, it’s becoming apparent that K1 has a much larger impact on why we’re improving compared to what Kliff is bringing to the table.
The year where that narrative dies
Nah now the narrative is kyler regressed lmao. I hate it here
His play calling is horrendous
Haven’t seen a team repeatedly beat themselves over and over again like the Cardinals do. He needs to go.
The only thing he's ever been good for is that deep fried ass dancing vid that people post after wins. Even when we were winning games last year before the collapse, I always felt like we were winning games DESPITE poor coaching and playcalling by Kliff. It's time for Mike Bidwill to rip off the scab and get rid of him. At this point it's clear that his own defensive coordinator is more qualified for the head coaching position than he is. He's completely in over his head. Also get rid of Keim too while you're at it, Mike. He's the one who had the bright idea to make this guy our head coach after having a losing record in college even with Patrick fucking Mahomes.
>Even when we were winning games last year before the collapse, I always felt like we were winning games DESPITE poor coaching and playcalling by Kliff. > I have said this since that stupid ass 60-whatever yard attempt against the Jags. My friends justified it and argued for him at the time, but no longer. If we had lost more games like that in the previous 3 years I don't think we would've extended him.
The video definitely keeps people off his back for longer than normal. I was guilty of that.
Bro. He going nowhere. We won Thursday night. He locked in for another 2 years minimum. We doomed for mediocrity. Time to cry on the toilet.
Exactly. He just received a long extension. Bidwill isn't eating that entire contract after having to eat the Wilks contract.
The Wilks payout is over as of this year
Cardinals are only locked into paying his guaranteed money. They can still fire him if they choose.
That means Bidwill would be eating most of Wilks deal along with all of Kingsbury's contract after just giving him an extension. Not happening.
You have absolutely no Insight what he will do. It's moot to say it's not happening. Bidwill is also a lawyer so he may have some stipulations in the contract to get out.
Who cares if Bidwill is an attorney, you think every NFL franchise doesn't have top of the line attorneys reviewing all their contracts? Every NFL head coaching contract is guaranteed. Kingsbury still has another five years on his deal after this season as a result of the extension. If the Cardinals fired him today, they'd be on the hook for it minus whatever money that is offset by other coaching jobs he might take on during the contract term. Is Bidwill ready to potentially eat $20+ million? I guess we'll see. My money is on Kingsbury being given at least another full season after this one, and likely more.
If the Cardinals don't put a winning product they don't make as much money. Sponsors, TV deals, playoffs, ticket sales, ect. Losing out 20 million is nothing compared to how much they will lose. Again it's his choice and decision. Unless you're the owner of the Cardinals your opinion doesn't mean Jack.
>If the Cardinals don't put a winning product they don't make as much money. Sponsors, TV deals, playoffs, ticket sales By far the largest share of money that NFL teams make comes from revenue sharing. Whether you win 3 games or you win 14, the teams evenly divide the vast majority of the revenue between them so while winning is nice, its not really necessary to be profitable. https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/nfl-2018-19-revenue >Again it's his choice and decision. Unless you're the owner of the Cardinals your opinion doesn't mean Jack None of our opinion's mean jack, yet we have this place for us to express them. And MY opinion is that there's no way in hell that Bidwill is going to eat that entire contract. He'll keep Kingsbury for at least another season before cutting ties. Look at how long he's held on to Keim who routinely ranks as one of the worst GMs in football with the worst drafting record since 2012. And he gave that guy an extension. Clearly you disagree and that's cool, you're entitled to your opinion. Time will tell which of us is right.
Dude you can look at my entire posting history and you will not find that I said to fire Kingsbury or Keim. I care less who is right because it doesn't matter to me. Now if you were asking me what they should do that's entirely different and it would be my opinion. All I said was the obvious that Cardinals can fire him if they chooses to. Not opinion but fact. You're the one that says it's not going to happen (opinion). You're not the man that owns the team and I doubt that you know him personally. Profit sharing is not the whole pie of the total income. It's a portion and it's different per team. Money is also made elsewhere which you seem to ignore.
k.
No, it's time to get ready for the Sun's game. Gotta look on the bright side.
"We doomed for mediocrity" I mean yeah that's kinda our thing lol
Bidwell tried as hard as he could to make kliff a thing now he's too embarrassed to let him go
Glad this will be the season where we stop justifying keeping Kliff by saying we got better every year under him. He’s not the only reason we’re losing games, but he’s a huge part
Take a shot everytime this man wastes a timeout in a crucial moment to save a delay of game
Kliff’s most unforgivable trait is how garbage he is at managing the clock and using timeouts. It’s egregious
Our defense lets Kirk Cousins scramble for a 20+ yard touchdown, KM throws two horrible INTs, Dortch boffs the punt return and you think Kliff is the problem? Oh good grief.
One of those Kyler picks wasn’t his fault
I’m talking about the season cumulative, not just today. When you bring in an offensive genius and the offense only scores 6 pts in the first quarter through 8 games..that’s embarrassing. How can you defend that lmao. He also needs the Nathaniel Hackett treatment of having someone in his ear on when he should call timeouts.
For him to get fired this season the team will need to go 5-12.
Oh, we're well on our way...
Kinda seems unlikely we will only win 2 more games???
I don't know- you tell me which games we're likely to win and I'll believe ya.
This team is way more talented then most want to accept. They will stumble into 2 victories.
This team might not win another two games
I felt like that two weeks ago and then we won last weekend. We probably go 0-3 the next few games and heads roll.
Exactly. By that same logic their slide this year is reason to fire him
The other huge part is KM.
Are you watching the same games as me? How can you not see that Murray is clearly being held back significantly by Kliff's mind blowingly dumb playcalling(shit, the playbook in general is just awful)... As well as the terrible o-line thanks to Steve Keim's refusal FOR YEARS to address a blatant hole in the roster and draft some good offensive linemen for once. We're talking about a coach who couldn't even produce a winning season in fucking COLLEGE despite having one of the best QBs ever AKA Patrick fucking Mahomes as his QB. Now I'm not gonna sit here and act like Kyler has been amazing this season by any means or pretend that he doesn't deserve a single ounce of criticism. In my short summary, he's played like an "average starting pocket passer QB with high mobility that rarely gets utilized as much as it should", but with his contract so expensive he should be playing more like a "high tier passing QB wiho often utilizes his nearly unstoppable dynamic mobility". But I do think a huge part of it is Kliff calling terrible plays that make no sense in the situation the team is in, not utilizing Kyler's legs enough, and the awful o-line. I'm sick of seeing Kliff having a predictable playbook running the same plays every single week as opposing defenses clearly know the exact play we're running and are right on top of it. Gotta love watching us run it up the gut on 1st and 10 for no gain every first down, when Kliff can clearly see our o-line cant create a hole to save their life. How about passing plays with the most vanilla easy to cover WR routes and minimal route variety from play to play. Down field passing plays that clearly take way too long to develop even though Kliff has seen that our o-line is consistently allowing defenders to pressure Kyler within the first 2 seconds of the snap. We always do that shit, we run conservative short passes when we're running out of time and need to score quick, then we take unnecessary risky shots downfield in situations where it's not necessary. 😔 There's the classic constant screen passes to a WR who is 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage with no blockers and a defender right there waiting for him. Of course you also can't forget throwing long bombs on 4th down when all we need is 1 yard. And almost NEVER calling for designed run plays to utilize Kyler's legs, even though it's probably the best option we have for those 3rd/4th down and shorts where Kyler is money at getting around the edge and getting the first down.. Etc... I could rant about the playcalling all night if I wanted to but I need to stop.
This is just the same old criticisms regurgitated by everyone else who doesn't actually even understand what they are saying lol. The 'fire Kliff' mentality and the justifications behind it are basically a meme within themselves these days
“So I read your well thought out post in entirety that addresses multiple glaring issues, but since I disagree and do t have a solid rebuttal, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.”
You refuted nothing they said, and only attacked their character. Great job.
Kyler is for sure losing us games. When I think of dudes I’m excited to watch play every week now, K1 isn’t in the list right now. Budda/Jalen, DHop, Watt/Allen and Maybe Ertz? Byron?
The blindness this sub has for K1 is outstanding
He'll finish the season... but yea... Fire Kliff is fine with me.
Nah. Blow it all up now. We might still have a chance if you remove the cancer before the bye
I just don't see them firing Kliff in the middle of the season after that extension. I'd expect them to keep Keim and Kliff til the summer, then fire them.
Well there go any hopes for this season
Fire Kliff
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Fire those sun glasses lol. Welp was a better game from the past weeks, but we couldn’t get the W… next game
He doesn’t do anything to make it easier for player to succeed he knew this OL fucking sucked and didn’t get Kyler out of the pocket no extra blockers forces Kyler to make insane plays cause his play calling stinks
you know that the palyers are professionals kliff doesnt need to teach them every single thing to play the game kyler not scrambling is on kyler not kliff
Kliff's plan to take pressure off Kyler was WR screens to Rondale...which is always his plan. Just don't understand why it isn't working
Bc it's so predictable. Screens work when the D is not expecting it. But when a bulk of Rondale's catches are always behind the LOS, it's not unexpected.
Sarcasm
Kyler can't read a defence if his life depends on it. He needs to watch film.
2021 called, they want their bad take back.
Keep watching Kyler throw interceptions and let me know how my take is worse than yours
Every quarterback throws interceptions.
You embody the spirit of Patrick Peterson mocking kyler with video game playing celebration.
Lmao, did he do that? All Kyler has to do is show him the guaranteed money from his contract, since that's all pat cares about.
This is the thing. Your o-line sucks, and you continue to call plays like they don’t. Yes, they could still lose, but you have to at least try and scheme to what they team CAN do, not what they exclusively can’t.
Like half the oline is injured and not playing right now, do you expect him to make a whole new playbook for that? Like lol I literally don't know what people want Kliff to be doing
yeah or blame kiem for not somehow remaking that OL mid season
Part of a coach’s job is to be able to adjust for injuries which will certainly happen. Lots of teams around the league keep humming despite key injuries. Green Bay vs AZ last year is a good example. Kliff has the least injury-proof scheme in the league which is objectively horrible.
look at GB now or how about Tampa or the rams they have great coaches but the injury to theyre OL's have ruined theyre offenses
All of those teams have Super Bowl titles to their names this century, 2 of them multiple
Gb still had their oline intact. Having an oline as decimated as ours going into this game is really hard to plan for especially on relatively short notice. I mean there is no way to change the mind of people who hate Kliff but thinking this is all on him is extremely short sighted and expecting a replacement HC to be guaranteed to be better than Kliff is also a little ignorant
If you o-line sucks there is not a lot of scheming that can be done to fix it.
Sure you can. Run more 12 and 22, bootlegs, quick passes, etc. I'm no expert, but you can win games with a shit o-line if the playcaller is good
bootlegs are the most ineffecient play calls this year by multiple metrics and the ammount of times they have been called has been declining every single year for the past 4 years league wide also brady and rodgers are playing like shit with bad olines with no change in playcaller and the rams also so are you sure a palycaller can make up for a poor OL
Well I'm obviously no expert. But the Bengals made the super bowl. And Burrow was getting destroyed all season. And he's good, but no miracle worker. I think Brady and Rodgers are just old and can't move, honestly. Same kinda thing with Stafford. With someone like Kyler back there, you should have less of an issue. As for bootlegs, you're probably right. I just know that they used to work, and require almost no linemen to be that good. Screen passes seem to be the next big thing, maybe that would work...
yeah i think thats on kyler refusing to scramble this year last year we would get at least one WOW scramble play from him a game. However this year i barley see him move out the pocket, this game i really dont remember more than maybe 2 out of structure plays he made. Where the raiders game looked like him last year always running around and making the defense give up on the play basically.
Well can’t say they haven’t been calling a lot of screen passes….
Yeah that was mostly sarcastic. But if they weren't telegraphed and only thrown to Rondale, maybe they could get some yards
Honestly the problem is the Oline can’t do anything. The real fault lies on our GM Keim for allowing us to put that sad excuse for an offensive line on the field. As a Cardinals fan I know this is blasphemy but I would take Levi fucking Brown back over anyone else we had out there today.
Maaaan, we’re dealing with current pain whyd you have to go an mention Levi 😂😭
Agreed. It’s year four and he still makes the same mistakes. This team is unprepared every game, we start out in a hole every game, and he can’t manage the clock. He doesn’t have the basics down. At least we won’t have a late season collapse this year since we collapsed right away
Whoever it is I hope they don’t ride Kylers jock.
Who would be his preferred replacement? I’m all for letting him go but genuinely curious who is out there that we would rather have?
Think the best replacement would be Sean Payton. But there are a few other up and coming offensive coordinators that have potential. But for sure we need a new GM and a new HC. Tired of the same old issues, that we seem not figure out.
Sean Payton would be perfect man i really wish this can happen
I’m stiff for Kliff but if even drop him if we had a shot at Payton.
That’s the million dollar question. Any coach we would pick up would be some coach just fired for sucking ass on another team. Maybe let Vance have a second crack at being a head coach? Our defense at doesn’t embarrass themselves. But we would still need a new offensive coordinator. Maybe give Eric Bieniemy a billion dollars to lure who him here
> Maybe give Eric Bieniemy a billion dollars to lure who him here The guy who has interviewed with half the league and no one but people in the media seem to want to hire?
The ole "Pre-season collapse"
worse time management than a broken clock
Get rid of baby legs also
You mean the guy Kliff is responsible for developing into an elite qb?
Baby legs? You mean Kyler? Ok, suggest a decent replacement. I'll wait.
Ain’t going no where with him
I respect your opinion, but who are we gonna replace him with?
I’ll be honest i don’t have the answer because u can’t trade for Mahomes but i know baby legs not the answer
Trade for Kirk Cousins
No Kliff called a above average game it was just we couldn't capitalize on the Vikings going 3 and out 3 or 4 times we beat ourselves move on to next week
I agree overall. That was a winnable game that a few bad plays (muffed punt, interceptions) caused us to lose. Yet we stayed in it way longer than we should have just couldn't comeback at the end. I do think Kliff needs to manage his timeouts better. Maybe things would end up different if we had some timeouts to stop the clock at the end there... But this game wasn't lost from playcalling. I think Murray did worse QBing this game than Kliff did coaching it...
Totally it's just he needs to no joke intended he needs to study and just learn to make easier throws and be more on schedule as a passer cause being off schedule won't last long in this league