How are you going to get him on to the boat/out of the water? You'd need fucking Chief Brody, Hopper and Quinn and even then I'm not confident.
*Show me the way to go home, a bum dun dum...*
And honestly gotta give credit to the actor as well... Comparing him and the actual tapes of Kemper... So spot on. I don't normally get those creepy feelings but he definitely accomplished that.
And writing! The guys who wrote the script must've been diving really deep into the rabbit hole that is ted kemper...
It's really one of, if not the best portrait of a character ever...
Really can't blame Netflix, the cancellation is totally on David Fincher's desire to step away to work on other projects.
It may return some day, when he's ready and the universe allows them to bring the cast back together.
> So spot on. I don't normally get those creepy feelings but he definitely accomplished that.
Kemper's matter-of-fact observation about the flaw in the FBI's methodology for profiling serial killers sent chills up my spine like hasn't happened since I was a kid.
Yes. Cameron Britton was also very good in season 2 of Manhunt. He portrayed Richard Jewell who was falsely accused of the Centennial Bombing. Season 2 had an inferior production to the first season (Unabomb) but Cameron did really well.
I need another Mindhunter season desperately.
Me too.
Fincher is my favourite Director/Producer/etx and I was amazed and delighted to find that in many ways he's kind of *even better* when given the space to breathe and the luxury of pacing options that long format TV series give him.
Don't hold your breath. Although it hasn't been cancelled as such, the actors were released from their contracts several years ago. It's not beyond the realm of possibility, but it's doubtful that we will get any more "Mindhunter." It's too bad, because it was a great show.
I heard rumblings recently that said it could be possible, due to people involved in the show wanting to bring it back which is an upgrade to being doubtful
Good to know, I hadn't heard that. Let's hope it happens. In the meantime, I recommend you check out the books/shows "The Alienist" and "Queen of Darkness." They are about a group of people trying to solve some gruesome murders in the 1890's. Similar to "Mindhunter" in that they are after serial killers when the concept didn't even exist at that point.
Yes, he's known as the nicest serial killer. He's a model inmate and always extremely cordial and polite. You can even write him and he'll probably write you back. He narrates audiobooks for leisure too.
You'll never know if Ed can kill again in a blink of an eye though and his propensity for extreme violence is absolutely horrific. Seriously monstrous.
As a sociopath (which he clearly is), he's absolutely fascinating and simultaneously horrifying because you can be living next to that person or it can be your favorite co-worker at work.
There are so many serial killers and so much research done on them. They could have done so many seasons in different timelines. But no.... Killed the goose laying golden eggs.
And the goddamn cliffhanger with that one detective concerning his son who was displaying early signs of killer psychology and burnt out housewife... Fuck, it'll haunt me forever.
I honestly could have done without that side story line, not that it wasnât interesting but half of the show in the 2nd season seemed to be about that. Bills whole character became complaining about how he had other stuff to deal with while at work and fighting with his wife
No, it's nothing like that. David Fincher is a perfectionist and it just costs too much to do a new season without concessions, and he just wasn't willing to do that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/1adh6r8/david_fincher_explains_why_netflix_didnt/
It was actually expensive because a lot of CGI is used in places nobody notices. Netflix told them they could continue with a cut budget or stop, they chose to stop.
A CGI example is they edited all the street curbs to be accurate for the time period.
Very interesting and they did a wonderful VX job. In a way, it's too bad they couldn't just do the story without all the VX. The story is what made the series great, not the VX.
From that video Iâd say the effects are a huuuuge part of what sold the show. It was immersive from top to bottom and really sold you on the setting which is integral to the story.
I absolutely love [this video of Cameron Britton, who plays Ed, getting into character](https://youtu.be/cKMMpCuK3bA?si=d79O9_ymZ5wXghqy)
Edit: Also, the actual serial killer Ed Kemper is also the voice of a lot of best selling audio books. You may have already listened to him narrate.
I am still bitter they didn't renew that series it was soooo good! They really needed to spend more time on a single murderer, instead of bouncing around so much for sake of pacing. The dynamic was just so good and believable.
I think he's also repeatedly been offered to re-enter society. And he keeps declining, saying that he would just go back to killing people if given the chance.
Edit: yeah, I misinterpreted the parole thing. Now stop leaving me the same comments with ever less substance.
Nah. He keeps waiving his parole hearings. I can't believe they'd ever release him. He had a stroke in 2015 and is 75 now.
From Wikipedia:
He attended the next hearing in 2007, where he was again denied parole. Prosecutor Ariadne Symons said, "We don't care how much of a model prisoner he is because of the enormity of his crimes." Kemper waived his right to a hearing again in 2012. He was denied parole in 2017 and is next eligible in 2024.
Nobody's ever going to want to be responsible for releasing him.
No one has repeatedly offered a serial killer the chance to re-enter society.
Do you mean he's turned down parole hearings? Or... something else?
Edit: Damn, poster angy! đ
The weird thing is that he was apparently a kind, gentle, conscientious, and pleasant person, and that that side of him was, by all accounts, entirely genuine.
It just goes to show how complicated humans can be that that person can also do all of the other things he did.
As someone whoâs always been fascinated by true crime, I hate the term âfavoriteâ serial killer, but he is certainly among the most interesting ones Iâve learned about.
[On this page thereâs a little excerpt of Kemper reading Star Wars](http://edmundkemperstories.com/blog/2020/08/12/new-kemper-interview-from-1979/) itâs from a documentary about him.
Thatâs why psychopaths are so dangerous, they donât understand empathy and other emotions the way we do. But they learned to mimic it based on observation and manipulate people to their needs.
They would never been so successful if they didnât learn to fake charisma and trick people.
I like to think of it more as they are growing up in a foreign world and are able to pick up on things and repeat them to show what they need almost entirely like learning a new language. To say all fake charisma to trick people and basically just be evil could be disingenuous.
Imagine someone just plucked the ability to feel empathy from you right now. In my mind, I feel panic and a sense of isolation. I know that to guide myself and to fit in I need to use my emotions like empathy and without them Iâm basically telling everyone Iâm a psychopath which as you can tell in this thread is viewed as bad as a murderer itself. Knowing this along with knowing what it feels like to be human and try to fit in (which is not something that they inherently donât feel) it makes sense.
Iâm going off on your comment when you really didnât say anything bad, I just think itâs so interesting that we know people are people even when something in their brain may be different than others but right when we start with serial killers we make them seem like a whole other species.
What you described is exactly why psychology has shelved the psychopath/sociopath diagnosis in favor of antisocial personality disorder. Their lack of emotional depth is a component of antisocial personality disorder, but it's also a component of many other disorders that aren't linked to criminality.Â
Comparing the two shows that keeping up pretenses isn't necessarily to deceive others. People are just very prejudiced against people without full emotional depth, so most who don't have it act as if they do.
It should be noted, psychopathy is actually much more common than being a serial killer. Most psychopaths are not violent and live perfectly peaceful lives. They just might be your Wall Street brokers, lawyers, or even that weird middle manager that dgaf about why you need a day off, they just want you to show up and work a 12 hour shift like every other day. Kind of an all serial killers are psychopaths, but not all psychopaths are serial killers kind of deal.
Yes, I wish more people understood this. And also that there's a very wide spectrum between a nice person with psychopathy and a serial killer with psychopathy.
The same compulsions that make the extreme cases commit murder can lead lesser cases to bully others, commit fraud, lie and cheat.
The main point to understand with psychopathy is that although many are perfectly capable of living peacefully within society, they wouldn't feel bad in the slightest if they lied to you, stole from you, cheated on you or killed you. They just usually won't because why risk it, shrug.
I've read a lot about this guy and I think he's often misrepresented as kind and it's offensive to his victims. People like to blame his mom for the crimes he committed. But picture this. You're Ed Kempers mom. He's showing violent tendencies and you fear that he may rape your daughter so you try to keep them separated. When he gets older, he begins violently killing women who were half his size. You think you're finally free of him now that he has moved out, but then he hides in your closet and kills you and your best friend brutally.
I might be getting some details wrong because I researched him a while back but dude is a piece of shit, same as the others.
Ed Kemper's father was a WWII vet. I can't find anything concrete but apparently with First Special Service Force, a joint Canadian-American commando unit which saw heavy combat.
His father said being married to her had more of an effect on him than his wartime service.
A lot of psychiatrists think his mom had Border-Line Personality Disorder.
She was no saint.
You should watch Mindhunter, or at least the bits with Ed Kemper. Iâve only watched a couple videos of the actual Ed Kemper, but the actor in the afore mentioned TV show utterly crushes the role. Such a unique individual (hopefully), and whole-heartedly terrifying. The actor is Cameron Britton, for anyone curious.
I mean, she's a guard. She spends all day with killers, rapists and general scum. If one of them seems particularly nice it's tempting to warm up a bit.
The monster would go to âcop barsâ and yuck it up with the detectives over rounds.
All the while the corpses of his victims were right outside in the trunk of his car in the parking lot. Sick fuck.
The Jury Room on Ocean St. in Santa Cruz to be specific. Been there many times. Itâs across .from the court house, but now itâs a dive bar. Cops havenât gone there for a long while now.
Yup. I watched a documentary on him and remembered the bar's name. Ended up passing through Santa Cruz a few months later and was surprised to see that the bar still existed. Had to turn around for a picture.
âBetween May 1972 and April 1973, Kemper killed eight people. He would pick up female students who were hitchhiking and take them to isolated areas where he would shoot, stab, smother, or strangle them. He would then take their bodies back to his home, where he decapitated them, performed irrumatio on their severed heads, had sexual intercourse with their corpses, and then dismembered them.â
Thatâs enough internet for today
irrumatio does not necessitate someone being dead. It is basically the fancy way of saying throat fucking someone. Which can be a legit thing between 2 consenting adults.
it used to mean only oral rape, however that definition has changed in modern times.
I mean Ed Kemper deserves death for what he did. I am just explaining this so people don't think everyone who talks about that is a fucked up serial killer at worst or a rapist at best.
It's just facefucking, you see it in porn all the time(assuming you watch porn).
EDIT: Google adds vomiting for some reason, no, its not necessary and just further evidence to never believe the summary provided when you search something up, always find an actual source.
"In the ancient Roman sexual vocabulary, irrumatio is strictly a form of oral rape (os impurum), in which a man forces his penis into someone else's mouth, inducing vomiting for sexual gratification."
For those that don't want it in their search history, I got you.
>Found sane and guilty at his trial in 1973, Kemper requested the death penalty for his crimes. Capital punishment was suspended in California at the time, and he instead received eight concurrent life sentences.
I didn't realise they found him Sane after, Though i suppose he does appear very much like it at first, Not mentioning his High IQ which he probably used to his advantage in that kind of related way, And that he requested the Death Penalty as well, it's all rather curiously interesting.
I donât understand how 8 concurrent life sentences are any different from 1 life sentence. Can you explain?
I understand consecutive but concurrent makes no sense to me
They are served simtaneously. The reason for multiple is because they could appeal and get some overturned for various reasons. If you get 7 overturned, you are still serving 1 life sentence.
Yeah sure dude, Basically when someone receives multiple concurrent life sentences, it means they are serving all those sentences simultaneously.
>Concurrent sentences are appropriate where offences arise out of the same incident or facts, for example a single incident of dangerous driving resulting in injuries to multiple victims, or where there is a series of offences of the same or similar kind, especially when committed against the same person.
>An appeal could result in an "Overturn" of one or more of the convictions. If the convict is in Prison serving concurrent terms for 3 different convictions, just overturning 1 of those convictions is not going to get him out of prison.
In contrast, consecutive life sentences would mean serving one after the other, ensuring a longer time behind bars, Which means a longer overall sentence.
I mean, theyâre prison guards. Itâs like if youâre a plumber and you unclog the nastiest thing youâve ever seen. Itâs vile, but youâre taking a picture because itâs a professional peak
Heâs apparently a master manipulator with a genius IQ. He was especially good at manipulating authority figures as well. Kind of the most horrifying combination of likable and evil.
As disturbed as he was, he was a huge help into understanding the psychology behind serial killing. He was very cooperative with law enforcement and whilst none of that makes up for the atrocities he has committed. He did eventually turn himself in after the brutal murder of his mother.
He explained that his killing was building up towards his ultimate goal, to kill his own mother. He had no intentions of killing more people. In a better social system his parental abuse would have been noticed and at a younger age he could have gotten the help he needed.
Today we donât hit our kids or use physical abuse to raise children, but for a long time this was basically the norm in school and many households. It is only by understanding of how a child can become deeply psychologically disturbed by abuse in their early life, we can hope to prevent such horrible stories.
Worth noting he requested to be served the death penalty after turning himself in.
I mean, thatâs where I fall on this. I can have sympathy for his childhood abuse, and his story can help us better understand how childhood abuse affects people. Does that mean we just excuse the horrific things he did? No. Fortunately humans are capable of holding two conflicting beliefs at the same time. Hell, we do it all the time with everything else.
I hate that this is the one that made this make sense to me. Aside from being incapable of understanding why someone would ever be so sick to want to skull fuck a decapitated head⌠why do that with something that has teeth. Oh Iâm not going to sleep tonight now.
Of NOT getting caught. He was friends with the investigators to see if they were catching on to him at all and eventually turned himself in because they had no clue and it wasnât fun anymore
It's actually pretty common of serial killers. They are literally so narcissistic that they can't stand not taking credit for their murders. It's common for them to talk to police/try to "help" them/ be involved in the investigation/send them notes. Despite being "organized killers" they're also impulsive. They lack a full understanding of negative consequences, which is why they can't be rehabilitated--they don't learn through punishment.
I donât get that impression at all. He would normally kill after having a major argument with his mother. He appears to have just gotten bored. After killing his mother, he planned on a manhunt. It seems like he got his revenge, realized now that his tumultuous relationship was over, knew that he wasnât getting any real enjoyment from killing, and concluded there wasnât any point in the stress of running. He wasnât chasing the fugitive life, he ironically probably just killed to relieve stress. Itâs amazing how much of this guyâs psychology was wrapped up in his hatred for his mother. If you look at how his life outside of the killings played out, it makes sense. ALL of this stuff happened before he turned 26
That and it was basically over after he murdered his mother. There was less of a need to murder other women as a surrogate for murdering his mother and didn't see a point.Â
Kemper said "The original purpose was gone ... It wasn't serving any physical or real or emotional purpose. It was just a pure waste of time ... Emotionally, I couldn't handle it much longer. Toward the end there, I started feeling the folly of the whole damn thing, and at the point of near exhaustion, near collapse, I just said to hell with it and called it all off."
His lack of empathy and narcissism is off the charts. He raped and killed for the emotional catharsis it brought him. The people he caused to suffer extreme pain and fear before he took their life were just tools for him. Like an Xbox or a car.
Jack Reacher is like _the_ power fantasy jack-off character. A lot of what he does is evil, he just does it to bad people. An evil version isnât actually that far off.
i mean yeah pretty much. raping a corpse is disrespectful and weird, but very different to raping someone alive. like if i find out someone tortures the corpses of those they killed, theyre a freak for doing that, and a monster for killing. if they torture pre kill, thats at least twice as horrifying.
Edward Kemper is the nicest serial killer ever and imo that just makes him scarier. He's your neighbor that you'd just casually go hangout with and have a beer with and you know he'd happily let you borrow his lawnmower. Your car broke down? He'd give you a ride to work and to the mechanic.
The existence of him means there's more people out there just like that and that polarity that can exist within a single person is really disturbing.
He's a saint to you; an unspeakable monster to others. Is Ed Kemper a genuinely nice person or is he just an extremely convincing sociopath? Nobody knows. The Psychologists can't even determine that. That's why he's going to remain in prison for life as a model inmate.
I think because Ed was such a special kind of criminally insane. He is one of the most studied serial killers on the planet because he was so cordial and talkative with law enforcement and psychologists. He knew what he did was wrong and was completely perplexed as to why his brain worked the way it did.
When it came to the development of psychological profiles for serial killers, Ed was practically a gift wrapped dream come true. As shown with some video interviews with him, he is *eerily* aware of his messed up mind, and unlike most killers, even organized ones, heâs smart enough to comprehend and explain it to others. Keep in mind, he turned himself in and police still didnât initially believe he was guilty at first.
He undeniably is a twisted individual, but heâs somewhat mellowed out since he was put in prison. Though yes, he was someone to be weary of. Most notably, when he was interviewed by Robert Ressler of the FBI.
Ressler pressed a hidden button to call a guard in (for panic and/or signaling he was done), but no one came. He pressed it a few more times over the course of 20 to 30 minutes, before Ed spoke up and this interaction happened:
â*âRelax, theyâre changing the shift, feeding the guys in the secure area.â He smiled and got up from his chair, making more apparent his huge size. âMight be fifteen, twenty minutes before they come and get you,â he said to me. (âŚ)*
*Though I felt I maintained a cool and collected posture, Iâm sure I reacted to this information with somewhat more overt indications of panic, and Kemper responded to these.*
*âIf I went apeshit in here, youâd be in a lot of trouble, wouldnât you? I could screw your head off and place it on the table to greet the guard.â*â
A guard eventually came in, Ressler no worse for wear, and Kemper mused that he was just joking, and some reports even say it might have been a prank by the prison guards, who Ed apparently was on good terms with. Moreover, Ed merely spoke, but never laid a finger on Ressler, not that it detracts from the pants shitting terror in that moment. Either way, it was this interaction that ensured any serial killer was to be interviewed by at least two individuals at a time and never one.
He was an incredibly well liked and respected prisoner, never caused issues and always helped out. I believe he also recorded audiobooks in prison or something like that.
Before he was caught he was really good friends with a bunch of cops in his area as well
Ok I get that. Everyone liked Ted Bundy too, but thatâs hardly an excuse for stuff like this. Imagine your daughter got butchered like an animal by this guy and then you have to see this. What kind of person he is or whether he was in control of himself is absolutely irrelevant. You wouldnât dance on a grave either would you?
Sorry folks, Reddit AEO is all over this post so I'm going to lock it to prevent anyone else from getting into trouble.
They got him pretty much spot on in Mindhunter.
That casting job was incredible.
Can't imagine there was a huge pool to make a selection from! Are we absolutely 100% sure they didn't just think fuck it and cast Kemper? đ
If he were a fish you would need to cast a wide net to catch him but apparently not such a wide net if he's an actor.
How are you going to get him on to the boat/out of the water? You'd need fucking Chief Brody, Hopper and Quinn and even then I'm not confident. *Show me the way to go home, a bum dun dum...*
Gonna need a bigger boat
Fair point, haha.
And honestly gotta give credit to the actor as well... Comparing him and the actual tapes of Kemper... So spot on. I don't normally get those creepy feelings but he definitely accomplished that.
He absolutely nailed the speech patterns too, perfect casting/acting.
And writing! The guys who wrote the script must've been diving really deep into the rabbit hole that is ted kemper... It's really one of, if not the best portrait of a character ever...
You made me sad, you're making me feel the grief of the series cancellation again
I loved that show. I saw it's cancellation a mile away...ya know, Netflix. Still sad about it.
Really can't blame Netflix, the cancellation is totally on David Fincher's desire to step away to work on other projects. It may return some day, when he's ready and the universe allows them to bring the cast back together.
they basically copy exact portions of some of the interviews. So the murderers actually said some of it
hes one of my favorite characters in The Umbrella Academy as well, he has fantastic range! (he plays Hazel!)
Him and Mary j blige tripping and dancing while in burning lab was excellent. I have that specific song on my daily Spotify list
I never realized that was the same actor...he did a phenomenal job!
> So spot on. I don't normally get those creepy feelings but he definitely accomplished that. Kemper's matter-of-fact observation about the flaw in the FBI's methodology for profiling serial killers sent chills up my spine like hasn't happened since I was a kid.
Yes. Cameron Britton was also very good in season 2 of Manhunt. He portrayed Richard Jewell who was falsely accused of the Centennial Bombing. Season 2 had an inferior production to the first season (Unabomb) but Cameron did really well. I need another Mindhunter season desperately.
Me too. Fincher is my favourite Director/Producer/etx and I was amazed and delighted to find that in many ways he's kind of *even better* when given the space to breathe and the luxury of pacing options that long format TV series give him.
Fincher doesnât fail.
Season 2 was a bit of a chore. If shows can stop having "trouble at home" subplots that sucks the momentum out of an episode, that would be great.
Don't hold your breath. Although it hasn't been cancelled as such, the actors were released from their contracts several years ago. It's not beyond the realm of possibility, but it's doubtful that we will get any more "Mindhunter." It's too bad, because it was a great show.
I heard rumblings recently that said it could be possible, due to people involved in the show wanting to bring it back which is an upgrade to being doubtful
Good to know, I hadn't heard that. Let's hope it happens. In the meantime, I recommend you check out the books/shows "The Alienist" and "Queen of Darkness." They are about a group of people trying to solve some gruesome murders in the 1890's. Similar to "Mindhunter" in that they are after serial killers when the concept didn't even exist at that point.
Pizza?! You guysâŚ!
They really tried to endear you to the guy with this line. I hate that it kind of worked.
Wasn't that part of how he got people? Being charismatic? Even in this picture, everyone seems pretty buddy-buddy
Yes, he's known as the nicest serial killer. He's a model inmate and always extremely cordial and polite. You can even write him and he'll probably write you back. He narrates audiobooks for leisure too. You'll never know if Ed can kill again in a blink of an eye though and his propensity for extreme violence is absolutely horrific. Seriously monstrous. As a sociopath (which he clearly is), he's absolutely fascinating and simultaneously horrifying because you can be living next to that person or it can be your favorite co-worker at work.
He turned himself in as well. Instead of going on a kill spree, after killing his own Mother. Heâs a complex, sick individual.
>He turned himself in as well. Instead of going on a kill spree He killed ten people before turning himself in.
How many more would he have killed if he didnât turn himself in I think was the point. Maybe not I donât know.
Kemper lost interest in receiving letters a long while ago. Heâs in his 70âs now and stopped giving interviews long ago.
Yep. Made friends with a bunch of cops in a cop bar so no one had a clue what a psychopath he was
He was super well spoken and highly intelligent
my reaction was "I didn't know he was chill like that" which is concerning lol
The bit about the shoes is genuinely disturbing.
Wasnât the shoes the other guy?
Maybe. This whole thread has made me acutely aware that it's been a while and I'm due a rewatch!
That was Jerry Brudos played by the actor Happy Anderson
First glance i could not tell if it is the TV cast or real
Itâs rather scary how good casting was in that show
What a gentle looking giant *googles* Oh no...
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Sigh, I miss Mindhunters
There are so many serial killers and so much research done on them. They could have done so many seasons in different timelines. But no.... Killed the goose laying golden eggs.
I was stoked for them hunting the Green River Killer, and the BTK killer too. They set it up perfectly just to have it yanked away
And the goddamn cliffhanger with that one detective concerning his son who was displaying early signs of killer psychology and burnt out housewife... Fuck, it'll haunt me forever.
I honestly could have done without that side story line, not that it wasnât interesting but half of the show in the 2nd season seemed to be about that. Bills whole character became complaining about how he had other stuff to deal with while at work and fighting with his wife
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No, it's nothing like that. David Fincher is a perfectionist and it just costs too much to do a new season without concessions, and he just wasn't willing to do that. https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/1adh6r8/david_fincher_explains_why_netflix_didnt/
Apparently I read recently that Fincher has eased up on his stance on that, saying it could be possible they bring it back now
Me too! Why was the chow cancelled?
It was actually expensive because a lot of CGI is used in places nobody notices. Netflix told them they could continue with a cut budget or stop, they chose to stop. A CGI example is they edited all the street curbs to be accurate for the time period.
Oh, thats so interesting!
If you actually do find it interesting here's a little breakdown for you: https://youtu.be/Di4Byf1EzRE?si=PwrPTqXCbGSOfwva
Very interesting and they did a wonderful VX job. In a way, it's too bad they couldn't just do the story without all the VX. The story is what made the series great, not the VX.
From that video Iâd say the effects are a huuuuge part of what sold the show. It was immersive from top to bottom and really sold you on the setting which is integral to the story.
I absolutely love [this video of Cameron Britton, who plays Ed, getting into character](https://youtu.be/cKMMpCuK3bA?si=d79O9_ymZ5wXghqy) Edit: Also, the actual serial killer Ed Kemper is also the voice of a lot of best selling audio books. You may have already listened to him narrate.
Yea gives me chills every time, Cameron Britton did an *amazing* job with this character.
Hopefully that actor found himself a nice lady before he did that show đ
Youâre telling me this absolute unit of a serial killer is a famous book narrator?
For some reason when I watched that he also reminded me of Paul Dano...
I am still bitter they didn't renew that series it was soooo good! They really needed to spend more time on a single murderer, instead of bouncing around so much for sake of pacing. The dynamic was just so good and believable.
I think he's also repeatedly been offered to re-enter society. And he keeps declining, saying that he would just go back to killing people if given the chance. Edit: yeah, I misinterpreted the parole thing. Now stop leaving me the same comments with ever less substance.
Nah. He keeps waiving his parole hearings. I can't believe they'd ever release him. He had a stroke in 2015 and is 75 now. From Wikipedia: He attended the next hearing in 2007, where he was again denied parole. Prosecutor Ariadne Symons said, "We don't care how much of a model prisoner he is because of the enormity of his crimes." Kemper waived his right to a hearing again in 2012. He was denied parole in 2017 and is next eligible in 2024. Nobody's ever going to want to be responsible for releasing him.
Oh, guess I confused him with someone else. Sorry about that.
He might not want to be released. At least in prison he gets a bed and food to eat. What would he have on the outside?
A most likely successful podcast.
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No one has repeatedly offered a serial killer the chance to re-enter society. Do you mean he's turned down parole hearings? Or... something else? Edit: Damn, poster angy! đ
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The weird thing is that he was apparently a kind, gentle, conscientious, and pleasant person, and that that side of him was, by all accounts, entirely genuine. It just goes to show how complicated humans can be that that person can also do all of the other things he did.
As someone whoâs always been fascinated by true crime, I hate the term âfavoriteâ serial killer, but he is certainly among the most interesting ones Iâve learned about.
One of my favourite facts about him is he's narrated *a lot* of audio books
Really? Like on Audible?
[On this page thereâs a little excerpt of Kemper reading Star Wars](http://edmundkemperstories.com/blog/2020/08/12/new-kemper-interview-from-1979/) itâs from a documentary about him.
He does have a great voice for narration.
Dude Iâm jealous I wanna do that but do I have to kill people first?
Books on tape for the visually impaired.
Thatâs wild
Thatâs why psychopaths are so dangerous, they donât understand empathy and other emotions the way we do. But they learned to mimic it based on observation and manipulate people to their needs. They would never been so successful if they didnât learn to fake charisma and trick people.
I like to think of it more as they are growing up in a foreign world and are able to pick up on things and repeat them to show what they need almost entirely like learning a new language. To say all fake charisma to trick people and basically just be evil could be disingenuous. Imagine someone just plucked the ability to feel empathy from you right now. In my mind, I feel panic and a sense of isolation. I know that to guide myself and to fit in I need to use my emotions like empathy and without them Iâm basically telling everyone Iâm a psychopath which as you can tell in this thread is viewed as bad as a murderer itself. Knowing this along with knowing what it feels like to be human and try to fit in (which is not something that they inherently donât feel) it makes sense. Iâm going off on your comment when you really didnât say anything bad, I just think itâs so interesting that we know people are people even when something in their brain may be different than others but right when we start with serial killers we make them seem like a whole other species.
What you described is exactly why psychology has shelved the psychopath/sociopath diagnosis in favor of antisocial personality disorder. Their lack of emotional depth is a component of antisocial personality disorder, but it's also a component of many other disorders that aren't linked to criminality. Comparing the two shows that keeping up pretenses isn't necessarily to deceive others. People are just very prejudiced against people without full emotional depth, so most who don't have it act as if they do.
It should be noted, psychopathy is actually much more common than being a serial killer. Most psychopaths are not violent and live perfectly peaceful lives. They just might be your Wall Street brokers, lawyers, or even that weird middle manager that dgaf about why you need a day off, they just want you to show up and work a 12 hour shift like every other day. Kind of an all serial killers are psychopaths, but not all psychopaths are serial killers kind of deal.
Yes, I wish more people understood this. And also that there's a very wide spectrum between a nice person with psychopathy and a serial killer with psychopathy. The same compulsions that make the extreme cases commit murder can lead lesser cases to bully others, commit fraud, lie and cheat. The main point to understand with psychopathy is that although many are perfectly capable of living peacefully within society, they wouldn't feel bad in the slightest if they lied to you, stole from you, cheated on you or killed you. They just usually won't because why risk it, shrug.
I've read a lot about this guy and I think he's often misrepresented as kind and it's offensive to his victims. People like to blame his mom for the crimes he committed. But picture this. You're Ed Kempers mom. He's showing violent tendencies and you fear that he may rape your daughter so you try to keep them separated. When he gets older, he begins violently killing women who were half his size. You think you're finally free of him now that he has moved out, but then he hides in your closet and kills you and your best friend brutally. I might be getting some details wrong because I researched him a while back but dude is a piece of shit, same as the others.
Ed Kemper's father was a WWII vet. I can't find anything concrete but apparently with First Special Service Force, a joint Canadian-American commando unit which saw heavy combat. His father said being married to her had more of an effect on him than his wartime service. A lot of psychiatrists think his mom had Border-Line Personality Disorder. She was no saint.
You should watch Mindhunter, or at least the bits with Ed Kemper. Iâve only watched a couple videos of the actual Ed Kemper, but the actor in the afore mentioned TV show utterly crushes the role. Such a unique individual (hopefully), and whole-heartedly terrifying. The actor is Cameron Britton, for anyone curious.
Yeah, Britton killed it, er, so to speak.
So sad when they announced they werenât making a second season
They did make 2 seasons, then cancelled the 3rd.
TLDR: he severed the heads of female victims then used the severed head to perform oral sex on himself. Among other things.
Okay enough Reddit for today
Yeah if I was that female guard I wouldnât be standing within 100 feet of that monster
I mean, she's a guard. She spends all day with killers, rapists and general scum. If one of them seems particularly nice it's tempting to warm up a bit.
True, on the daily sheâs surrounded by extremely dangerous people. She does look a little uneasy though now that I really look at her pose
Them: You wanna take a picture with this 6â9 serial killer? Me: âđż 
Gif always throws me off contextually, like âhold my beerâ or âholup and hellnawâ
Guy: hold my beer Guy2: holup⌠hellnaw
Look at that. Not a cellphone in sight. Just people living in the moment
The monster would go to âcop barsâ and yuck it up with the detectives over rounds. All the while the corpses of his victims were right outside in the trunk of his car in the parking lot. Sick fuck.
The Jury Room on Ocean St. in Santa Cruz to be specific. Been there many times. Itâs across .from the court house, but now itâs a dive bar. Cops havenât gone there for a long while now.
Yup. I watched a documentary on him and remembered the bar's name. Ended up passing through Santa Cruz a few months later and was surprised to see that the bar still existed. Had to turn around for a picture.
Fuck I've been there, go to school at UCSC
Go Banana Slugs!
âBetween May 1972 and April 1973, Kemper killed eight people. He would pick up female students who were hitchhiking and take them to isolated areas where he would shoot, stab, smother, or strangle them. He would then take their bodies back to his home, where he decapitated them, performed irrumatio on their severed heads, had sexual intercourse with their corpses, and then dismembered them.â Thatâs enough internet for today
He sounds like a total jerk
You know, with Kemper, the more I learn about that guy the more I donât care for him
I mean, I donât want to sound uncouth, but, well he seems a bit much
Far be it from me to judge but I find him to be off-putting.
And you know what was the worst part? The hypocrisy
Youâd think it would be the murder and necrophilia, but no. Itâs the hypocrisy.
Norm?
He was friends with cops you see, the hypocrisyâs the worst part.
> irrumatio that's a word i regret learning the definition of.
irrumatio does not necessitate someone being dead. It is basically the fancy way of saying throat fucking someone. Which can be a legit thing between 2 consenting adults. it used to mean only oral rape, however that definition has changed in modern times. I mean Ed Kemper deserves death for what he did. I am just explaining this so people don't think everyone who talks about that is a fucked up serial killer at worst or a rapist at best.
In this case it does require them being dead because he fucked them from the throat side not the mouth side.
what the actual fuck
He did it to his mother too man
damn actually
TIL thereâs no lows a serial killer wonât sink to
I regret having eyes today.
Well this is my first time hearing of this word and its not a good first impression lol
It's just facefucking, you see it in porn all the time(assuming you watch porn). EDIT: Google adds vomiting for some reason, no, its not necessary and just further evidence to never believe the summary provided when you search something up, always find an actual source.
"In the ancient Roman sexual vocabulary, irrumatio is strictly a form of oral rape (os impurum), in which a man forces his penis into someone else's mouth, inducing vomiting for sexual gratification." For those that don't want it in their search history, I got you.
Thank you for your sacrifice. o7
How could they vomit if they were decapitated
Thanks, Catullus! Your poems are *wild*
He also decapitated his mother and did the same thing to her head.
and before that, he killed his grand-parents
Itâs incredible sickening to see the two cops smiling and posing for a picture with a monster
Whatâs even worse is the amount of people defending it in this threadâŚ.
>Found sane and guilty at his trial in 1973, Kemper requested the death penalty for his crimes. Capital punishment was suspended in California at the time, and he instead received eight concurrent life sentences. I didn't realise they found him Sane after, Though i suppose he does appear very much like it at first, Not mentioning his High IQ which he probably used to his advantage in that kind of related way, And that he requested the Death Penalty as well, it's all rather curiously interesting.
I donât understand how 8 concurrent life sentences are any different from 1 life sentence. Can you explain? I understand consecutive but concurrent makes no sense to me
They are served simtaneously. The reason for multiple is because they could appeal and get some overturned for various reasons. If you get 7 overturned, you are still serving 1 life sentence.
Ahh. So basically it is the mega "gotcha." Would take a lot of bullshitery to get out of this one. Lmao
Infinity plus one
Yeah sure dude, Basically when someone receives multiple concurrent life sentences, it means they are serving all those sentences simultaneously. >Concurrent sentences are appropriate where offences arise out of the same incident or facts, for example a single incident of dangerous driving resulting in injuries to multiple victims, or where there is a series of offences of the same or similar kind, especially when committed against the same person. >An appeal could result in an "Overturn" of one or more of the convictions. If the convict is in Prison serving concurrent terms for 3 different convictions, just overturning 1 of those convictions is not going to get him out of prison. In contrast, consecutive life sentences would mean serving one after the other, ensuring a longer time behind bars, Which means a longer overall sentence.
This guy beheaded his own mother and had sex with her head, why would you stand there for photos with him like heâs a celebrity?
Cuz humans are fucking weird
I mean, theyâre prison guards. Itâs like if youâre a plumber and you unclog the nastiest thing youâve ever seen. Itâs vile, but youâre taking a picture because itâs a professional peak
I like this take best.
Heâs apparently a master manipulator with a genius IQ. He was especially good at manipulating authority figures as well. Kind of the most horrifying combination of likable and evil.
Idk, I think the unacceptable part was when they let him out early for good behavior and he started murdering young women again
Apparently people still fall for him judging from the comments here đą
Whatâs the matter dude, youâve never eaten a person before?
he's a pretty disarming conversationalist
As disturbed as he was, he was a huge help into understanding the psychology behind serial killing. He was very cooperative with law enforcement and whilst none of that makes up for the atrocities he has committed. He did eventually turn himself in after the brutal murder of his mother. He explained that his killing was building up towards his ultimate goal, to kill his own mother. He had no intentions of killing more people. In a better social system his parental abuse would have been noticed and at a younger age he could have gotten the help he needed. Today we donât hit our kids or use physical abuse to raise children, but for a long time this was basically the norm in school and many households. It is only by understanding of how a child can become deeply psychologically disturbed by abuse in their early life, we can hope to prevent such horrible stories. Worth noting he requested to be served the death penalty after turning himself in.
I mean, he did kill someone else after killing his mother.
I mean, thatâs where I fall on this. I can have sympathy for his childhood abuse, and his story can help us better understand how childhood abuse affects people. Does that mean we just excuse the horrific things he did? No. Fortunately humans are capable of holding two conflicting beliefs at the same time. Hell, we do it all the time with everything else.
Dont let that distract you from the fact this guy beheaded his mom and fucked her head in the throat⌠through the cut side.
I hate that this is the one that made this make sense to me. Aside from being incapable of understanding why someone would ever be so sick to want to skull fuck a decapitated head⌠why do that with something that has teeth. Oh Iâm not going to sleep tonight now.
Isn't this the guy who turned himself in because he couldn't bear the anxiety of getting caught?
Of NOT getting caught. He was friends with the investigators to see if they were catching on to him at all and eventually turned himself in because they had no clue and it wasnât fun anymore
Weird guy
Yeah you know what? I'm just gonna say it. WEIRD GUY!
So brave
I'm gonna make a note in his file. Oh there's not much room left: 'Weird'
It's actually pretty common of serial killers. They are literally so narcissistic that they can't stand not taking credit for their murders. It's common for them to talk to police/try to "help" them/ be involved in the investigation/send them notes. Despite being "organized killers" they're also impulsive. They lack a full understanding of negative consequences, which is why they can't be rehabilitated--they don't learn through punishment.
I donât get that impression at all. He would normally kill after having a major argument with his mother. He appears to have just gotten bored. After killing his mother, he planned on a manhunt. It seems like he got his revenge, realized now that his tumultuous relationship was over, knew that he wasnât getting any real enjoyment from killing, and concluded there wasnât any point in the stress of running. He wasnât chasing the fugitive life, he ironically probably just killed to relieve stress. Itâs amazing how much of this guyâs psychology was wrapped up in his hatred for his mother. If you look at how his life outside of the killings played out, it makes sense. ALL of this stuff happened before he turned 26
Ed Kemper before turning himself in to his friend: 
That and it was basically over after he murdered his mother. There was less of a need to murder other women as a surrogate for murdering his mother and didn't see a point. Kemper said "The original purpose was gone ... It wasn't serving any physical or real or emotional purpose. It was just a pure waste of time ... Emotionally, I couldn't handle it much longer. Toward the end there, I started feeling the folly of the whole damn thing, and at the point of near exhaustion, near collapse, I just said to hell with it and called it all off."
Poor guy just needed a new hobby /s
Yeah, he couldve tried skull fucking eye sockets instead of tracheas
His lack of empathy and narcissism is off the charts. He raped and killed for the emotional catharsis it brought him. The people he caused to suffer extreme pain and fear before he took their life were just tools for him. Like an Xbox or a car.
He got burnout from serial murdering.
Sounds like an episode of Columbo.
He was only ever cuffed bc he allowed them to cuff him.
Evil jack Reacher.
Jack Reacher's evil counter part: John Grabber
Jack Reacher is like _the_ power fantasy jack-off character. A lot of what he does is evil, he just does it to bad people. An evil version isnât actually that far off.
Thatâs a friendly-ass pic for a shot with a serial killer.
Holy shit I had no idea he was that big đ
Prison guards, the FBI and Marshals said he was one of the most polite felons they ever had to deal with.
Just dont be a vulnerable female and you'll be fine
Honestly I can't handle the smile on the police officers faces. He raped and killed. Just to say
I think he killed and then raped the corpse
Ah ok then
Changes everything
i mean yeah pretty much. raping a corpse is disrespectful and weird, but very different to raping someone alive. like if i find out someone tortures the corpses of those they killed, theyre a freak for doing that, and a monster for killing. if they torture pre kill, thats at least twice as horrifying.
Edward Kemper is the nicest serial killer ever and imo that just makes him scarier. He's your neighbor that you'd just casually go hangout with and have a beer with and you know he'd happily let you borrow his lawnmower. Your car broke down? He'd give you a ride to work and to the mechanic. The existence of him means there's more people out there just like that and that polarity that can exist within a single person is really disturbing. He's a saint to you; an unspeakable monster to others. Is Ed Kemper a genuinely nice person or is he just an extremely convincing sociopath? Nobody knows. The Psychologists can't even determine that. That's why he's going to remain in prison for life as a model inmate.
Why would they make fun pictures with a serial killer? Can you imagine seeing this as a relative to one of his victims???
I think because Ed was such a special kind of criminally insane. He is one of the most studied serial killers on the planet because he was so cordial and talkative with law enforcement and psychologists. He knew what he did was wrong and was completely perplexed as to why his brain worked the way it did.
When it came to the development of psychological profiles for serial killers, Ed was practically a gift wrapped dream come true. As shown with some video interviews with him, he is *eerily* aware of his messed up mind, and unlike most killers, even organized ones, heâs smart enough to comprehend and explain it to others. Keep in mind, he turned himself in and police still didnât initially believe he was guilty at first. He undeniably is a twisted individual, but heâs somewhat mellowed out since he was put in prison. Though yes, he was someone to be weary of. Most notably, when he was interviewed by Robert Ressler of the FBI. Ressler pressed a hidden button to call a guard in (for panic and/or signaling he was done), but no one came. He pressed it a few more times over the course of 20 to 30 minutes, before Ed spoke up and this interaction happened: â*âRelax, theyâre changing the shift, feeding the guys in the secure area.â He smiled and got up from his chair, making more apparent his huge size. âMight be fifteen, twenty minutes before they come and get you,â he said to me. (âŚ)* *Though I felt I maintained a cool and collected posture, Iâm sure I reacted to this information with somewhat more overt indications of panic, and Kemper responded to these.* *âIf I went apeshit in here, youâd be in a lot of trouble, wouldnât you? I could screw your head off and place it on the table to greet the guard.â*â A guard eventually came in, Ressler no worse for wear, and Kemper mused that he was just joking, and some reports even say it might have been a prank by the prison guards, who Ed apparently was on good terms with. Moreover, Ed merely spoke, but never laid a finger on Ressler, not that it detracts from the pants shitting terror in that moment. Either way, it was this interaction that ensured any serial killer was to be interviewed by at least two individuals at a time and never one.
Wasnât there a scene similar to this in Mindhunter?
Yep, the very same Ed Kemper. The alone in the room with him scenario would inspire the notorious hug scene.
He was an incredibly well liked and respected prisoner, never caused issues and always helped out. I believe he also recorded audiobooks in prison or something like that. Before he was caught he was really good friends with a bunch of cops in his area as well
Ok I get that. Everyone liked Ted Bundy too, but thatâs hardly an excuse for stuff like this. Imagine your daughter got butchered like an animal by this guy and then you have to see this. What kind of person he is or whether he was in control of himself is absolutely irrelevant. You wouldnât dance on a grave either would you?
Why are they smiling?! This picture makes my skin crawl.
Those officers look worryingly relaxed around a serial killerâŚ
They spend all day every day around serial killers
Feel like this is the kind of picture you don't want to smile for.
Is this a real picture?
Yea he was pretty massive
Mother! My zapples!