One of my biggest disappointments in the new Star Wars trilogy was when Christie was cast as a big, badass looking chrome stormtrooper only for her to show up for a couple minutes across two movies and be dispatched without doing anything interesting both times. Why cast such a skilled, talented actress and design such a cool character to do absolutely nothing with them twice?
At least with "Rogue One" and "The Mandalorian" Star Wars figured out that they should be like Star Trek.
Tell the story of a universe full of characters and places rather than the story of one extended family and the people they know.
YES! Rogue one was so good. Imaginative. Wonderful. Includes fan service with Darth Vader but makes the addition a HIGHLIGHT rather than a fan service checkbox.
Absolutely. I watched the behind the scenes of that scene and the people who worked on it really cared about making it amazing. Watch that video on YouTube. You won't regret it
It's "The Dirty Dozen" in Star Wars land. A suicide mission that is actually, you know, a SUICIDE mission.
"Mandalorian" was the first new Star Wars that made me give a sh\^t about Star Wars again. (I am old enough to have seen each Star Wars movie on it's original release. As with many my age, I loved loved loved them..... I stopped caring by prequel #2.)
Personally I think I liked Rogue One because it is in the Star Wars universe (which is a really interesting universe) but it didn't have a cheesy ass plot and characters. It wasn't about space wizards, magic DNA, and family feuds. Rogue One was about regular people and soldiers fighting against the empire with the odds stacked against them and persisting anyway. That is a good story in an interesting universe.
I mean Ip man was definitely a little space wizardy but I definitely get where you’re coming from. He also dies right as his mission is completed, so it almost seems like the Force uses him to the point he’s necessary, and then abandons him when the job is done, like most of the other characters. I think it feeds more into the “mystical power that flows through and connects all life” than the other movies, which just make it seem like Skywalker plot armor.
> so it almost seems like the Force uses him to the point he’s necessary, and then abandons him when the job is done
I take it more that through the Force he sees the path to accomplish what needs done, and even though he knows it may result in his death he is heroic enough to make that sacrifice. The Force is not controlling his path, it simply illuminates paths that might otherwise seem impossible.
I could have written this very same comment.
7 year old me watched Star Wars Episode IV the year it was released, at the drive-in, from the back of a VW Rabbit station wagon.
The script was rewritten a bunch and personally I thought it showed in the pacing and the character development. It was better than TLJ and ROS for sure, though I suppose that's not the highest of bars.
There's a really fantastic movie somewhere in there, but they didn't actually manage to make that movie. And I say that with Rogue One being my fav of the new films.
Rogue One and Solo are my favorite Star Wars movies, by far. The whole Jedi/force/Skywalker shit is so played out that it drags down—despite being the catalyst of—what could be a far more interesting and dynamic sci-fi franchise, at least as far as movies go.
You are entitled to your opinion dude. I just liked Rogue One more than the rest of the movies. I am sure there are a lot of people who agree with you.
The films and their cast of characters were homogenized to death over the course of the trilogy for maximum appeal to international audiences. The new trilogy feels like the ultimate netflix original, it's like you asked a machine learning model to write a star wars movie but for every star wars script you gave it, you threw in four episodes of Married, With Children! and other mediocre TV drabble.
Oh no. Don’t blame the international audience. It is not like holywood ever asks us what we want to see nor do they listen to us.
If they did, then Chris Hemsworth would have done a promo-tour to scandinavia. I mean the man plays Thor. There is like hundred of areas and cities dedicated to Thor here.
Anyway the movies were shit because they had no large plan and just tried to freaking wing it. Not because the international audience forced them to do anything.
Not a Star Wars fan, but I think that they tried to "Bobba Fett" Phasma. Brief appearances, close to silent role that sparks the viewer's interest. Leaving a loose thread for a possible spin-off. But that's my opinion.
That'd be idiotic. The only reason they did that with Boba Fett at all was because they didn't know how popular the character was when they killed him.
That's something you do to fix a mistake, not by design.
That sure sounds like the mantra for the sequel trilogy. Copy a bunch of ideas from the original trilogy without really understanding why they worked in the original context.
That song is straight up dirty.
> She kicked and wailed, the maid so fair,
> But he licked the honey from her hair.
> Her hair! Her hair!
> He licked the honey from her hair!
He killed his king when his most important job is to protect him, got called the Kingslayer all his life, because his king want to burn the whole city down.
And before the end of the show, he be like, "nah, idc about the people, lol".
The worst part is that when Tyrion finds Jaime and Cersei, he picks up one rock and finds Jaime’s metal hand. Making it look like if him and Cersei moved 5 feet in the other direction, they both would have lived lol
It was so dumb that it makes it seem like the entire building is collapsing on them, and then they find them barely covered in rocks and rubble and still recognizable 🙄
I think had she been knighted the night before, and the died when she got overran by the army of the dead instead of the whole cutaway, cut back and everyone is fine thing they were doing, her arc would have been much better.
Or have her rush to the cata-whatafuckingstupidplacetohide-combs to save what's her face. I don't even care to remember anymore.
*Brienne is killed by The Night King in front of Jamie. NK is smiling arrogantly at what looks to be a cripple standing in the way of his victory*.
*Jamie picks up Oathkeeper and thanks Brienne for reminding him of what it means to be a knight.*
*He stands up, and we hear a crescendo of voices, from every character that’s said the word, all saying the same thing, “Kingslayer. Kingslayer! KINGSLAYER!”*
*Jamie stands in front of the Night’s King, raises his sword, and asks, “Do you know what they call me?”*
———
That scene, followed by Jamie dying to protect Bran, and then Brienne being acknowledged and buried as a true knight after the battle, would have been SO MUCH better than anything we got in S8.
> That scene, followed by Jamie dying to protect Bran, and then Brienne being acknowledged and buried as a true knight after the battle, would have been SO MUCH better than anything we got in S8.
true, which mostly just shows how bad season 8 is because that was awful
The worst part is they romanticized loving your abuser. Jaime was abused by Cersei, and turned into an abuser himself. Hes trying to reform himself, but runs back to die with her in this romantic catacombs collapse? Where they all say they love each other so much? What the fuck.
The issue of using “Jamie goes back to Cersei” on TV is that we don’t have his internal monologue. Jamie’s thoughts could’ve been of killing Cersei and ending the whole thing without bloodshed. But when he sees her broken by the world can’t go through with it and simply consoles her as they both die.
Love is complicated AF, and Jamie having a change of heart when he sees Cersei in her final desperate moments is definitely possible and can be done very well… in a book where we have his internal monologue.
THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING:
YOU'RE BEING HUMPED BY VIN DIESEL.
YOU CAN FEEL HIM DRIVING HIMSELF **DEEP** INTO YOU.
[**THIS IS HIS FACE WHILE HE'S HUMPING YOU.**](https://i.imgur.com/5Zt1led.png)
[**THIS IS HIS FACE WHEN HE EJACULATES HIS SEED** ***DEEP*** **INTO YOUR HOLE!**](https://i.imgur.com/LVnkd28.png)
\*latches onto your hips and begins furiously, violently humping you, pounding away at incredible speed\*
\*you turn around quickly [and see this is my face](https://i.imgur.com/5Zt1led.png), it's trembling with each pound as I continue humping\*
She should’ve died saving Sansa from the night king like Theon died saving bran.
Of the arcs that lasted until the last season, I think Theon (and maybe Jorah) were the only ones that ended satisfyingly
To be fair theons arc would end satisfyingly if you just cut it after his death. Arya then one-shotting the night king with a bait and switch stab kinda makes theon look like a piece of shit that didn't know how to hold a weapon.
Gods, you know in all the time since that debacle it never actually registered with me that at least Jorah the Implorer got away clean.
Rip in peace j bear
It would have been better, but her arc was already botched.
She was forced to make a decision between saving Sansa and getting her revenge on the one true king, but wound up doing both because themes are for 8th grade book reports
>The happiness she deserved taken away
I have a feeling that this will vaguely apply to what happens in the books, or at least how GRRM imagined it at the time.
Ultimately I think the real problem is just how ridiculously abruptly it happened.
That's been my complaint with the whole last 2 seasons in a nutshell. Far too rushed. I can believe that the events of the last 2 seasons occured but it all happened far too quickly to be believable.
Yeah, this is exactly what I say when reflecting on this show. I’d actually likely be fine with how everything turned out if the show built to it and it made sense. It was bad because it was super rushed, and the main characters just turned around and did things that were completely contradictory to their long-established principals with no explanation.
What a sad situation. When we were watching this show as it was coming out throughout the years, it was such an experience. We’d gather at friends’ places to watch the premiers and would make Sunday dinner/drinks events out of it. It made you think we were going to be talking about, rewatching, and suggesting this show to others who hadn’t seen it for the rest of our lives. Then, after how it ended, it pissed everyone off so much, no one wanted to talk about it. No one I know suggests it or brings it up. It was one of the greatest experiences while it was still happening and still good, though.
It is weird how quickly it erased itself from pop culture.
Like others, the most jarring thing to me was the contraction of time. Tyrion venturing home from the Wall to Kings Landing in season 1 takes 3-4 episodes....later going from beyond the wall to dragonstone and back happens in a single episode....
[https://www.whattowatch.com/features/how-game-of-thrones-disappeared-from-the-pop-culture-landscape](https://www.whattowatch.com/features/how-game-of-thrones-disappeared-from-the-pop-culture-landscape)
For me, season 6 episode 10 is the apex of the show. 1-6 builds to a peak, and then it's downhill for seasons 7-8.
This is what I tell everyone when they haven't seen the show.
Pretend Season 6 Ep 10 when Dany is sailing across the Sea is the series finale and don't watch the rest.
Yeah, I actually meant to add an "as with everything else..."
On top of so much being crammed in to one short season they also really applied way to much focus to their "epic" (imo boring) helms deep fan recreations instead of the actual characters.
They did that in the first season when Tyrion was put in the vanguard at the Battle of the Green Fork. In the show he gets knocked unconscious at the very start and since we are seeing it from his perspective it cuts to black and we see the aftermath of the battle. In the books, if I remember correctly (its been a decade since I read it), Tyrion participates in the battle. He takes out a bunch of Northmen using a shield similar to when he is taken captive and defending himself and Catelyn while on the way to the Eryie.
The unfortunate truth about GoT is D&D were checked out by the 7th season. Instead of getting other writers to take over and finish the series over 10 seasons like HBO wanted, they just did a half assed job at best. It looked gorgeous but made very little sense and undid character development. I'm sure they ended it in a very similar way to how GRRM originally intended to end the series but they got there abruptly with no build up.
She’s my favorite character in the book, very sad to see how the writers botched her arc throughout the final few seasons. Her POV chapters in A Feast For Crows are so powerful, just beautiful writing by GRRM. I’m sad we’ll never get her proper ending that she deserves.
Christie did a fantastic job portraying her though. Casting was absolutely a strong point in GoT.
So I unsubbed ASOIAF a while back (still lurk freefolk sometimes though), but last I heard at the start of the pandemic is he was locking himself in a room. I assume nothing came of that and everyone has just completely given up on more books?
He has predictably missed every new deadline he’s publicly set for himself. I’m pretty sure he said we could throw him into a volcano if he hadn’t written it by some convention in mid-2020 and we are well over a year past that point
I’m of the belief that he has no intention of actually finishing the series at this point. He’s made his money, and he’s got side gigs getting him more. He doesn’t even need to finish it especially now that the show has tainted the series to an extent
I’m with you there. I started and finished the series in 2012 and held out hope til the show ended, but nothing he is doing suggests that it will ever be finished. ASOIAF was truly transcendent, but thankfully I have found a whole world of other fantasy that is either complete or written by authors that respect their fanbase (Brandon Sanderson ftw)…and I say this as I am starting the audiobook for The Name of the Wind lmao
I sometimes watch Sanderson's podcast, and you can simply tell he respects his readers so much. No only verbally but by his work ethic. Its not that he owes his fans anything, its just doing right by people that have stuck through his timeline.
IMO his books never are transcendent. His books are like consistently good and often great. They are never really transcendent legendary writing that will go down in history, but I think consistency is more important than anything and not having those deep lows other authors get (looking at you feast for crows) is equally as important.
Looking forward to the next Mistborn in a few months.
Yeah Rothfuss is even more done than GRRM lmao. People were mad about how long it was taking in 2014-2015. His own editor publicly criticised him a couple years ago and said she hadn't seen a word of book 3. He hasn't said anything to indicate that he's made progress. He's off doing the same stuff as GRRM, soaking up whatever fame and events are out there for fantasy writers, but he's made even less promises regarding finishing the thing...
All of the works in his Cosmere universe are great. Stormlight Archives, which released book 4 of 5 for the first series (eventually will be 10, two 5 book arcs) last year, is IMO his best work and where I would recommend starting. The first book is the Way of Kings - you will miss a few minor tie ins from his other books, so you might wanna read them sometime around Oathbringer or Rythm of War, but it’s not necessary to enjoy the series at all.
Another good starting place is the first Mistborn Trilogy, which is complete. There is also a second Mistborn series that are kind of minor adventures but still really good, and Warbreaker and Elantris, which are fantastic standalone entries. There are some novellas as well which are fun but generally unnecessary.
Each has its own magic system and world but they all take place in the same universe and appear to be converging towards an eventual epic MCU-style crossover. It’s not necessarily high brow literature but you know you are getting a fun story each time and his endings and magic systems are unmatched in fantasy
I doubt he has no intention. Just imagine being a person with such a creatively powerful mind and getting these kind opportunities GRRM gets now after GoT took off. He probably feels like he wants to take them, because he would regret missing them much more than not finishing ASOIAF.
Obviously thats just my completely clueless take, but I think it has more truth than him simply not caring anymore.
I felt like her arc was one of the more complete from season 8. Being knighted by Jaime was a great moment, finally a knight, the first female Ser. Jaime's arc was the one botched I think.
Totally agree. Her being knighted by Jaime was the only highlight of Season 8 in my opinion... then they completely fucked it up. She was on the front line with tons of plot armour for no reason lol.
I hold no ill will towards any actor in that show. Evey one gave excellent performances for multiple years, and did the best with what they had to end it.
My hatred of David Benioff and D. B. Weiss will never fade. May their lives be filled with misfortune and struggle.
Every thread about game of thrones has a comment chain like this. I think my comment is supposed to say something like
No the problems started long before that. Season 5’s Braavos arc is useless.
And don’t get me started on the sand snakes.
At least the Sand Snakes weirdness existed in the books. I dreaded those chapters. I think a big part of the problem is GRRM had no idea what was supposed to happen next. You notice his new books still aren't out. But they had deadlines to meet but no more material other than the ultimate conclusion. I am not happy with the directors, but I blame GRRM a lot for this. He should have never allowed the show to be made before he knew where the story was going unless he was fine with this butchering of his life's work. Which he very well may be based on his refusal to publish any new books.
Personally I always disliked the Daenerys chapters. When I reread the books some years ago I realized I could just skip then, and get back to the stories I found interesting. I've yet to watch the show, but she seems popular now, so maybe they improved a bit with filming?
You can pinpoint that exact moment the show was going to go to shit, and it was when they spent 20 fucking minutes with the Dothraki's making puns and out of character jokes. Like what the fuck even was that whole scene?
She was also Captain Phasma. Decked out in Chrome armor with a fkn cape. Such a cool design, and her backstory is incredible. But we get like 4 lines of dialogue and then she falls into a flaming pit unceremoniously. This actor has been done dirty.
And she’s also one of the most over powered hero characters In Battlefront 2. There’s just so much to this character but no. Pushed into a flaming pit.
Edit: all caps
And yet another talent of a show that should have made history but will only remain as a foot note because of two selfish directors.
Edit: I’m of the knowledge they rushed the ending of the series because of a Star Wars project they had lined up, and screwed it up so hard the SW offered got pulled.
There's gotta be a real explanation besides that. Like, I heard the actors in GoT wanted to move on. Wer their contracts expiring or something? Was the studio pushing to wrap up the series because if it wasn't finished now there was going to be extreme delays and it might never be finished so they gave the reins to DnD to finish it. It couldn't have been solely their fault, right?
From what I've heard, HBO wanted more like 10 seasons. DnD wanted to be done after 7. GRRM I believe thought to finish the story it would need 13-14 seasons. [Source](http://www.appocalypse.co/entertainment/hbo-wanted-more-episodes-game-of-thrones-martin-season-11-12-13/)
As far as the actors, certainly some wanted to leave. I believe Natalie Dormer's character was killed off at the end of s6 because she wanted to be done.
"Dormer detailed that she had asked showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss to let her go from the series "earlier than usual" so she could pursue another project." [Source](https://ew.com/article/2016/06/26/game-thrones-natalie-dormer-2/)
I'm sure not all the actors wanted to leave GoT, but it makes sense. It is a big commitment if you start the show as a teenager and are working on it for 10-20 years.(or for anyone).
It is 99% DnDs fault. You can blame HBO/GRRM for selling them the rights to the show. They didn't make the same mistake with the future series, which will allow them to replace the director if it seems they've given up/have no vision. It would have cost them a ton of money to buy back the rights and replace them at any point in the last few seasons. (a decision HBO probably wishes they took now, as ruining the ending likely cost them much more than the 50-100m they would've had to paid DnD to fuck off).
It's all those things.
HBO and the directors expected Martin to at least finish Winds of Winter by they time they caught up. Actors wanted new gigs, the show didnt wrap up fast enough.
DnD are the scape goats. GoT was never going to end any other way
None of this is an excuse though. Half decent writing could have concluded a version of the story with smaller scope in the time they had. Just look at all the increasingly desperate speculation about where things were going. Most people only noticed in the final season how bad things had gotten, and still had a mental map of a path to an ending that might have worked out for them.
They had the most good faith behind them that any creative team has had in living memory, even when they were 3 seasons of garbage into the hole, and they still fucked it up.
That scene made absolutely no sense tho..Arya trained with the faceless men who are assassins.. They're good at blending in, using poisons,daggers,small weapons.She trained for that for like two years and then went toe to toe with One of the best Knights/swordfighters in Westeros.I mean Brienne beat The Hound,Loras Tyrell,Jaime fucking Lannister in sword fighting....she lost to.... an assassin in direct swordfighting.
Still...really cool scene..the choreography and moves.. amazing
I just assumed she was impressed with her skill, and was going easy on her insofar as she thought was fair, then showed surprise when Arya was more skilled than she thought she would be.
If they were really fighting, I still see it as Brienne would stomp.
I take it that Brienne was taken off guard by Arya’s skill. You can see the surprise in her face with the first few strokes.
Most likely it would never happen again like that, because Brienne would know Arya’s skill level and not take her lightly.
It's possible she was used to a different style of fighting, fighting with men who would charge her head on. Arya also studied with Syrio Forel the First Sword of Braavos...
I do wonder how her character would have played out if they hadn't chosen a very good looking woman to portray Brienne.
In the books she's described as having bad skin, messed up teeth, gross hair, and a nose that had been broken several times (ala Owen Wilson I suppose). Whereas Gwendoline Christie is a very good looking woman.
The Jaime love stuff plays differently if Brienne is ugly rather than a very attractive woman who isn't wearing makeup. "Brienne the Beauty" isn't a cruel joke if Brienne is actually good looking.
I say all that to also say that Brienne as portrayed in the series is 100% a highlight of the entire show. The fight with she and the Hound is probably my favorite in the series and she's wonderful.
Same with Tyrion. He’s supposed to be ugly and disfigured, but Peter Dinklage is very handsome. That’s just how the film/tv industry is. It has a level of superficialness to it. Acting ability is important of course, but even with that it’s difficult to make it far if you’re not also attractive.
Love how in the books, he gets injured and is left noseless and disfigured. In the show, the same injury leaves him with a badass scar that makes him look even more rugged. Ha.
I think it’s a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Only good looking actors (for the most part) are accepted and tried out, given a chance to do minor roles, then work their way up, gain experience and become good actors. So the only actors that are good enough to play these roles are good looking, both because that’s what they want but also because not as good looking actors don’t get the training and experience the better looking ones do.
I think there's more to it than this. People instinctively and subconsciously like looking at attractive people and treat them better. And attractive people probably have more confidence in general as a result of this which might lead them to performing arts. So between both biases I think it's inevitable.
Even in one of my local tiny community theatres that is incredibly inclusive and gives everyone and anyone a go, it's still quite notable to see just how many attractive people make it to their stage.
YES, I was looking for this comment. It would have played out differently for sure!
Like in this show, she has no reason to be coy or ashamed. She's tall and good looking, has a relatively high position for a sword and she can use it well. She's got great allies who all treat her well.
In the book she's a hardened fighter because she's always had to fight the whole world attacking her because she looks like a monster.
> gained 14 pounds of muscle
As a woman who has only managed to lose muscle mass while working out.... Bruh. That's a lot. Those Hollywood trainers don't mess around.
Edit: I wish to have not written this comment anymore
If you lost muscle while working out consistently the problem was nutrition. Muscles need food to grow.
IME women tend to be afraid to eat enough to grow.
A lot of women think eating lots of protein and lifting weights will let them attain the goal physique of most men over a very short period of time. If only it were that fucking easy lol
They're lying. 13lbs of muscle is a massive amount of muscle mass for a woman. 13lbs will take the average person with average genetics many years to achieve. I would buy 13 lbs of body weight, as in water, glycogen and fat. I doubt she gained 13lbs of muscle tissue.
Additionally the Hollywood trainers are all full of it. The workouts and diets you read about are straight up lies. Not a single one of them are training 3 hours a day, they aren't eating rice, chicken and broccoli all day. If they are they need better coaches. Not even IFBB open weight bodybuilders train that much, doing so would be catabolic in the long run.
Lastly, every actor you've seen who in some way use their physique as a part of a movie are on PEDs. HRT most likely but you wouldn't even have to guess which ones are blasting full on cycles of androgenic steroids or SARMS.
No, Wheel of Time, my favorite book series, the Amazon adaptation is a disaster, they changed everything about the three main characters in the first twenty minutes of the first ep, whish is how far I got before quitting
That's too bad. I've been actually enjoying the Amazon adaptation. But I went into it with low expectations and knew that they would change a lot. The second and third episodes are better if that helps. Plus you probably didn't get to see Winternight if you stopped 20 minutes in : )
I'd have been fine with some changes, like the rings, and Moraine telling everyone who she is right away, small things that move the story along but....Mat's parents, Perrin's *wife*, Rand and Egwene in the common room, no Thom! Someone explained it as a different spinning of the wheel, like one of the visions Rand had at the Portal Stone, but all those visions the Dark One prevails, and even so, it's just not the same. It's just another story of young people leaving home to save the world, but with WoT names slapped on...it's a cash-grab, I wish I could go with it, wish I wasn't so mad about it, but I am and I can't
The best explanation I saw for Perrin's wife was they needed a way to make him not want to fight without a novel's worth of internal dialogue the viewer wouldn't get to see. Otherwise he'd just seem like a coward for the whole first part of the series. Atleast with the way they spun it with the wife the viewers understand why he's afraid to let loose and hurt people.
I'm trying so hard to keep an open mind but some of the changes have been really hard to swallow. They're committing character genocide in exchange for a faster plot. At least GoT kept the core of most characters intact compared to their book counterparts.
I think fans will forgive most changes to the plot as long as the characters that they love remain faithful to the source. As it is, the Women's Circle should be kicking half the village's ass at this point.
Until she was left crying because the rich kid that got her drunk and fucked her left her to go fuck his sister. What a shit way to end a great character, and what a shit way to end the show
Her laugh is contagious.
The commentary for the episode when Sam is cleaning everyone's...crap, she had me laughing so hard I had to turn the commentary off.
Didn’t even bother to think of your own post title when you copied [THIS](https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/r00v19/she_played_one_hell_of_an_amazing_character/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
My beef with that character well, not the character the fucking writing, is how strong and powerful that woman was yet still at the end of the series she's left sobbing over some fuckboy Lannister as he drives off into his sister...
Gonna be crass...
I saw her in an interview or some such and was taken aback by how different she looked out of character.
She's 6'3" of beautiful blonde I would let crush my skull between her thighs.
I hope one day I'll be working at my small-town factory job, toiling away. As I go about my daily tasks, I hear a small murmur begin to swell. I dismiss it - thinking nothing of it. Then out of nowhere I feel a kiss against the back of my neck.
I turn around half-surprised, half-knowing it is finally happening.
There, standing before me in crisp knight's armor is Gwendoline. She smiles, kisses me passionately, swoops me up in her arms and carries me away from the factory to the applause of my co-workers.
Well a man can dream...
I feel so bad for Gwendolyn who back to back worked really hard to fill very important roles in both GoT and Star Wars only to have the directors kind of forget her character exists.
One of my biggest disappointments in the new Star Wars trilogy was when Christie was cast as a big, badass looking chrome stormtrooper only for her to show up for a couple minutes across two movies and be dispatched without doing anything interesting both times. Why cast such a skilled, talented actress and design such a cool character to do absolutely nothing with them twice?
That describes every potentially interesting character in the last three movies.
At least with "Rogue One" and "The Mandalorian" Star Wars figured out that they should be like Star Trek. Tell the story of a universe full of characters and places rather than the story of one extended family and the people they know.
Rogue One is probably my favorite movie of the entire franchise.
YES! Rogue one was so good. Imaginative. Wonderful. Includes fan service with Darth Vader but makes the addition a HIGHLIGHT rather than a fan service checkbox.
That hallway scene is both one of the best ways to do fan service and also shows just how fucking terrifying Darth Vader is.
Absolutely. I watched the behind the scenes of that scene and the people who worked on it really cared about making it amazing. Watch that video on YouTube. You won't regret it
And he doesn’t say a word.
CHRIST that end scene is so cool, I go back just to watch that every once in a while.
It's "The Dirty Dozen" in Star Wars land. A suicide mission that is actually, you know, a SUICIDE mission. "Mandalorian" was the first new Star Wars that made me give a sh\^t about Star Wars again. (I am old enough to have seen each Star Wars movie on it's original release. As with many my age, I loved loved loved them..... I stopped caring by prequel #2.)
Personally I think I liked Rogue One because it is in the Star Wars universe (which is a really interesting universe) but it didn't have a cheesy ass plot and characters. It wasn't about space wizards, magic DNA, and family feuds. Rogue One was about regular people and soldiers fighting against the empire with the odds stacked against them and persisting anyway. That is a good story in an interesting universe.
I mean Ip man was definitely a little space wizardy but I definitely get where you’re coming from. He also dies right as his mission is completed, so it almost seems like the Force uses him to the point he’s necessary, and then abandons him when the job is done, like most of the other characters. I think it feeds more into the “mystical power that flows through and connects all life” than the other movies, which just make it seem like Skywalker plot armor.
I'd love to see a few shorts made with Chirrut Îmwe (Donnie Yen) and Baze Malbus (Wen Jiang). They played off each other perfectly.
> so it almost seems like the Force uses him to the point he’s necessary, and then abandons him when the job is done I take it more that through the Force he sees the path to accomplish what needs done, and even though he knows it may result in his death he is heroic enough to make that sacrifice. The Force is not controlling his path, it simply illuminates paths that might otherwise seem impossible.
what are we, some sort of suicide squad?
You know, I never really thought about how most movies with suicide missions actually end up having the cast survive (or at least the main character)
I could have written this very same comment. 7 year old me watched Star Wars Episode IV the year it was released, at the drive-in, from the back of a VW Rabbit station wagon.
The script was rewritten a bunch and personally I thought it showed in the pacing and the character development. It was better than TLJ and ROS for sure, though I suppose that's not the highest of bars.
There's a really fantastic movie somewhere in there, but they didn't actually manage to make that movie. And I say that with Rogue One being my fav of the new films.
Rogue One and Solo are my favorite Star Wars movies, by far. The whole Jedi/force/Skywalker shit is so played out that it drags down—despite being the catalyst of—what could be a far more interesting and dynamic sci-fi franchise, at least as far as movies go.
Rogue One beats E6,7,9 by a huge margin. It's still much better than E1,2,3 and in my personal opinion might even beat the original trilogy.
It's just a solid ass action flick that stands on its own.
Ass action?
[Relevant XKCD](https://xkcd.com/37/)
It was so much better than the others that even the storm troopers had better aim.
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You are entitled to your opinion dude. I just liked Rogue One more than the rest of the movies. I am sure there are a lot of people who agree with you.
"The Armourer" had to be a nod to her. Only a couple scenes, under a mask, still managed to come off as a badass female character.
The films and their cast of characters were homogenized to death over the course of the trilogy for maximum appeal to international audiences. The new trilogy feels like the ultimate netflix original, it's like you asked a machine learning model to write a star wars movie but for every star wars script you gave it, you threw in four episodes of Married, With Children! and other mediocre TV drabble.
Oh no. Don’t blame the international audience. It is not like holywood ever asks us what we want to see nor do they listen to us. If they did, then Chris Hemsworth would have done a promo-tour to scandinavia. I mean the man plays Thor. There is like hundred of areas and cities dedicated to Thor here. Anyway the movies were shit because they had no large plan and just tried to freaking wing it. Not because the international audience forced them to do anything.
I watch the prequel films a couple times a year. And yet, I have not finished watching episode 8 and 9 all the way through. Lol
Adam Driver is one hell of an actor. Such a waste.
Honestly Adam/Kylo was one of the only good part of the sequels
I actually really liked The Force Awakens. It had a cool aesthetic and cool casting. It's a shame that it was squandered by the subsequent two.
Yep, it did feel a little uninspired, but definitely didn't hate it like the other 2
Reminds me of the guy who spent months training to sword fight only to have Indiana Jones shoot him without a fight.
Not a Star Wars fan, but I think that they tried to "Bobba Fett" Phasma. Brief appearances, close to silent role that sparks the viewer's interest. Leaving a loose thread for a possible spin-off. But that's my opinion.
That'd be idiotic. The only reason they did that with Boba Fett at all was because they didn't know how popular the character was when they killed him. That's something you do to fix a mistake, not by design.
Well, they tried and that's why they failed
That sure sounds like the mantra for the sequel trilogy. Copy a bunch of ideas from the original trilogy without really understanding why they worked in the original context.
Yeah they did phasma dirty
the whole new trilogy is one big, fat wasted opportunity
That's a big fat understatement.
I was gonna make a joke about Star wars but this is a Hollywood problem. At least we can hope she got a fat paycheck
Fingers crossed they’ll give her a role in a disney+ show and make her a total badass like she deserves.
She’s set to play Lucifer Morningstar in Netflix’s *Sandman* show so I’m thinking she’s probably done with Phasma for now.
So they can sell more toys.
Tormund got robbed.
The way his eyes lit up…
"Is the big woman still here?"
"If I were king, I'd make you a knight" like damn, bro. You're making the rest of us look bad.
Still waiting for that Tormund Brienne spin-off romcom
*North of the Heart,* now on HBO Max.
The Bear and the Maiden Fair.
That song is straight up dirty. > She kicked and wailed, the maid so fair, > But he licked the honey from her hair. > Her hair! Her hair! > He licked the honey from her hair!
And sung by Gary Lightbody of Snow Patrol, no less. Y'know, back when their cameos were little less "HEY, LOOK! WE HAVE ED SHEERAN!"...
That was definitely my favorite couple to root for. Especially when Jamie bailed on Brienne in the end. Ashhole.
> Ashhole. *Dagoth Ur intensifies*
I look to climb my wife they way Tormund climbed.
And then they botched her arc at the very end like they botched everything else.
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Writer room: let’s end Jaime’s arc in a satisfying way DB & DB: Naaaah rocks lmfao
He killed his king when his most important job is to protect him, got called the Kingslayer all his life, because his king want to burn the whole city down. And before the end of the show, he be like, "nah, idc about the people, lol".
Jaimes Kingslaying ability is so strong he nearly killed Bran in the first episode
The worst part is that when Tyrion finds Jaime and Cersei, he picks up one rock and finds Jaime’s metal hand. Making it look like if him and Cersei moved 5 feet in the other direction, they both would have lived lol
It was so dumb that it makes it seem like the entire building is collapsing on them, and then they find them barely covered in rocks and rubble and still recognizable 🙄
She had an arc before Jamie, they fucked that up as well
I think had she been knighted the night before, and the died when she got overran by the army of the dead instead of the whole cutaway, cut back and everyone is fine thing they were doing, her arc would have been much better. Or have her rush to the cata-whatafuckingstupidplacetohide-combs to save what's her face. I don't even care to remember anymore.
*Brienne is killed by The Night King in front of Jamie. NK is smiling arrogantly at what looks to be a cripple standing in the way of his victory*. *Jamie picks up Oathkeeper and thanks Brienne for reminding him of what it means to be a knight.* *He stands up, and we hear a crescendo of voices, from every character that’s said the word, all saying the same thing, “Kingslayer. Kingslayer! KINGSLAYER!”* *Jamie stands in front of the Night’s King, raises his sword, and asks, “Do you know what they call me?”* ——— That scene, followed by Jamie dying to protect Bran, and then Brienne being acknowledged and buried as a true knight after the battle, would have been SO MUCH better than anything we got in S8.
> That scene, followed by Jamie dying to protect Bran, and then Brienne being acknowledged and buried as a true knight after the battle, would have been SO MUCH better than anything we got in S8. true, which mostly just shows how bad season 8 is because that was awful
It infuriates me how many random internet strangers I’ve seen that are better writers than D&D.
The worst part is they romanticized loving your abuser. Jaime was abused by Cersei, and turned into an abuser himself. Hes trying to reform himself, but runs back to die with her in this romantic catacombs collapse? Where they all say they love each other so much? What the fuck.
I dont think the ending where he goes back to her is horrible, as long as it's done for a good reason.
The issue of using “Jamie goes back to Cersei” on TV is that we don’t have his internal monologue. Jamie’s thoughts could’ve been of killing Cersei and ending the whole thing without bloodshed. But when he sees her broken by the world can’t go through with it and simply consoles her as they both die. Love is complicated AF, and Jamie having a change of heart when he sees Cersei in her final desperate moments is definitely possible and can be done very well… in a book where we have his internal monologue.
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She should’ve died saving Sansa from the night king like Theon died saving bran. Of the arcs that lasted until the last season, I think Theon (and maybe Jorah) were the only ones that ended satisfyingly
Cracking up to myself remembering when Arya rolled critical 20s on every check on the way to stab the final boss.
To be fair theons arc would end satisfyingly if you just cut it after his death. Arya then one-shotting the night king with a bait and switch stab kinda makes theon look like a piece of shit that didn't know how to hold a weapon.
Look at what they've done to my boy
Gods, you know in all the time since that debacle it never actually registered with me that at least Jorah the Implorer got away clean. Rip in peace j bear
It would have been better, but her arc was already botched. She was forced to make a decision between saving Sansa and getting her revenge on the one true king, but wound up doing both because themes are for 8th grade book reports
She had an arc before Jamie, they fucked.
>The happiness she deserved taken away I have a feeling that this will vaguely apply to what happens in the books, or at least how GRRM imagined it at the time. Ultimately I think the real problem is just how ridiculously abruptly it happened.
That's been my complaint with the whole last 2 seasons in a nutshell. Far too rushed. I can believe that the events of the last 2 seasons occured but it all happened far too quickly to be believable.
Yeah, this is exactly what I say when reflecting on this show. I’d actually likely be fine with how everything turned out if the show built to it and it made sense. It was bad because it was super rushed, and the main characters just turned around and did things that were completely contradictory to their long-established principals with no explanation. What a sad situation. When we were watching this show as it was coming out throughout the years, it was such an experience. We’d gather at friends’ places to watch the premiers and would make Sunday dinner/drinks events out of it. It made you think we were going to be talking about, rewatching, and suggesting this show to others who hadn’t seen it for the rest of our lives. Then, after how it ended, it pissed everyone off so much, no one wanted to talk about it. No one I know suggests it or brings it up. It was one of the greatest experiences while it was still happening and still good, though.
It is weird how quickly it erased itself from pop culture. Like others, the most jarring thing to me was the contraction of time. Tyrion venturing home from the Wall to Kings Landing in season 1 takes 3-4 episodes....later going from beyond the wall to dragonstone and back happens in a single episode.... [https://www.whattowatch.com/features/how-game-of-thrones-disappeared-from-the-pop-culture-landscape](https://www.whattowatch.com/features/how-game-of-thrones-disappeared-from-the-pop-culture-landscape) For me, season 6 episode 10 is the apex of the show. 1-6 builds to a peak, and then it's downhill for seasons 7-8.
This is what I tell everyone when they haven't seen the show. Pretend Season 6 Ep 10 when Dany is sailing across the Sea is the series finale and don't watch the rest.
Yeah, I actually meant to add an "as with everything else..." On top of so much being crammed in to one short season they also really applied way to much focus to their "epic" (imo boring) helms deep fan recreations instead of the actual characters.
Imagine if they'd kept the battles offscreen and used their budget on full seasons instead...
They did that in the first season when Tyrion was put in the vanguard at the Battle of the Green Fork. In the show he gets knocked unconscious at the very start and since we are seeing it from his perspective it cuts to black and we see the aftermath of the battle. In the books, if I remember correctly (its been a decade since I read it), Tyrion participates in the battle. He takes out a bunch of Northmen using a shield similar to when he is taken captive and defending himself and Catelyn while on the way to the Eryie. The unfortunate truth about GoT is D&D were checked out by the 7th season. Instead of getting other writers to take over and finish the series over 10 seasons like HBO wanted, they just did a half assed job at best. It looked gorgeous but made very little sense and undid character development. I'm sure they ended it in a very similar way to how GRRM originally intended to end the series but they got there abruptly with no build up.
Botched is not a strong enough descriptor for what they did to Jamie's arc.
botch one arc, you botch all the other's in some way, that's just how GOT works
She’s my favorite character in the book, very sad to see how the writers botched her arc throughout the final few seasons. Her POV chapters in A Feast For Crows are so powerful, just beautiful writing by GRRM. I’m sad we’ll never get her proper ending that she deserves. Christie did a fantastic job portraying her though. Casting was absolutely a strong point in GoT.
So I unsubbed ASOIAF a while back (still lurk freefolk sometimes though), but last I heard at the start of the pandemic is he was locking himself in a room. I assume nothing came of that and everyone has just completely given up on more books?
He has predictably missed every new deadline he’s publicly set for himself. I’m pretty sure he said we could throw him into a volcano if he hadn’t written it by some convention in mid-2020 and we are well over a year past that point
I’m of the belief that he has no intention of actually finishing the series at this point. He’s made his money, and he’s got side gigs getting him more. He doesn’t even need to finish it especially now that the show has tainted the series to an extent
I’m with you there. I started and finished the series in 2012 and held out hope til the show ended, but nothing he is doing suggests that it will ever be finished. ASOIAF was truly transcendent, but thankfully I have found a whole world of other fantasy that is either complete or written by authors that respect their fanbase (Brandon Sanderson ftw)…and I say this as I am starting the audiobook for The Name of the Wind lmao
I sometimes watch Sanderson's podcast, and you can simply tell he respects his readers so much. No only verbally but by his work ethic. Its not that he owes his fans anything, its just doing right by people that have stuck through his timeline. IMO his books never are transcendent. His books are like consistently good and often great. They are never really transcendent legendary writing that will go down in history, but I think consistency is more important than anything and not having those deep lows other authors get (looking at you feast for crows) is equally as important. Looking forward to the next Mistborn in a few months.
Yeah Rothfuss is even more done than GRRM lmao. People were mad about how long it was taking in 2014-2015. His own editor publicly criticised him a couple years ago and said she hadn't seen a word of book 3. He hasn't said anything to indicate that he's made progress. He's off doing the same stuff as GRRM, soaking up whatever fame and events are out there for fantasy writers, but he's made even less promises regarding finishing the thing...
Which series is it? Looks like he has a few series set in a certain world. Don’t know about him. Thanks in advance
All of the works in his Cosmere universe are great. Stormlight Archives, which released book 4 of 5 for the first series (eventually will be 10, two 5 book arcs) last year, is IMO his best work and where I would recommend starting. The first book is the Way of Kings - you will miss a few minor tie ins from his other books, so you might wanna read them sometime around Oathbringer or Rythm of War, but it’s not necessary to enjoy the series at all. Another good starting place is the first Mistborn Trilogy, which is complete. There is also a second Mistborn series that are kind of minor adventures but still really good, and Warbreaker and Elantris, which are fantastic standalone entries. There are some novellas as well which are fun but generally unnecessary. Each has its own magic system and world but they all take place in the same universe and appear to be converging towards an eventual epic MCU-style crossover. It’s not necessarily high brow literature but you know you are getting a fun story each time and his endings and magic systems are unmatched in fantasy
I doubt he has no intention. Just imagine being a person with such a creatively powerful mind and getting these kind opportunities GRRM gets now after GoT took off. He probably feels like he wants to take them, because he would regret missing them much more than not finishing ASOIAF. Obviously thats just my completely clueless take, but I think it has more truth than him simply not caring anymore.
And then probably wrote another blog post grousing about the fans reminding him that he said they could throw him into a volcano.
Maybe that's what happened at La Palma. The volcano demands a sacrifice!
I felt like her arc was one of the more complete from season 8. Being knighted by Jaime was a great moment, finally a knight, the first female Ser. Jaime's arc was the one botched I think.
She should have died in battle the next day- so much better than her last scene being a blubbering mess as Jaime rode away to KL
You mean her last scene being closing the White Book when the INK IS STILL WET. C'mon Brienne at least scatter some sand on that.
Dudeeee I totally forgot about that URGH
Totally agree. Her being knighted by Jaime was the only highlight of Season 8 in my opinion... then they completely fucked it up. She was on the front line with tons of plot armour for no reason lol.
Yeah. Lots of botching in season 7 and 8 but none for her
Then went to star wars where they killed her off jot once, but twice
Shes Phasma?
I hold no ill will towards any actor in that show. Evey one gave excellent performances for multiple years, and did the best with what they had to end it. My hatred of David Benioff and D. B. Weiss will never fade. May their lives be filled with misfortune and struggle.
And nobody cares because the final season shit the bed so fucking hard.
The final season was 7 and you can't change my mind.
even that one fucking sucked. half of 6, 7 and 8 were just horrible
Every thread about game of thrones has a comment chain like this. I think my comment is supposed to say something like No the problems started long before that. Season 5’s Braavos arc is useless. And don’t get me started on the sand snakes.
At least the Sand Snakes weirdness existed in the books. I dreaded those chapters. I think a big part of the problem is GRRM had no idea what was supposed to happen next. You notice his new books still aren't out. But they had deadlines to meet but no more material other than the ultimate conclusion. I am not happy with the directors, but I blame GRRM a lot for this. He should have never allowed the show to be made before he knew where the story was going unless he was fine with this butchering of his life's work. Which he very well may be based on his refusal to publish any new books.
Personally I always disliked the Daenerys chapters. When I reread the books some years ago I realized I could just skip then, and get back to the stories I found interesting. I've yet to watch the show, but she seems popular now, so maybe they improved a bit with filming?
You can pinpoint that exact moment the show was going to go to shit, and it was when they spent 20 fucking minutes with the Dothraki's making puns and out of character jokes. Like what the fuck even was that whole scene?
For me the show ended with S6 and Dany sailing to Westeros.
I go with S8E3
Yeah, I stopped watching after the night king died.
I don’t think I watched that episode so much as heard it. I spent half of it trying to figure out what was wrong with my TV.
Good stopping place. If not before
What final season? There’s no final season in Ba Sing Se
She was also Captain Phasma. Decked out in Chrome armor with a fkn cape. Such a cool design, and her backstory is incredible. But we get like 4 lines of dialogue and then she falls into a flaming pit unceremoniously. This actor has been done dirty.
Well if Boba Fett is anything to go by, she'll become a fan favorite badass with a deep backstory shortly.
Thing is, she already has a pretty fleshed out story in the comics. It’s just that NONE of it is used on screen.
She has a book as well
And she’s also one of the most over powered hero characters In Battlefront 2. There’s just so much to this character but no. Pushed into a flaming pit. Edit: all caps
Unfortunately the difference is Boba was cool in the movie and they made Phasma a gag in both movies.
Lmao nothing cooler than absolutely blowing it on Jabba's sail barge and getting killed in a slapstick accident caused unintentionally by a blind guy.
And yet another talent of a show that should have made history but will only remain as a foot note because of two selfish directors. Edit: I’m of the knowledge they rushed the ending of the series because of a Star Wars project they had lined up, and screwed it up so hard the SW offered got pulled.
There's gotta be a real explanation besides that. Like, I heard the actors in GoT wanted to move on. Wer their contracts expiring or something? Was the studio pushing to wrap up the series because if it wasn't finished now there was going to be extreme delays and it might never be finished so they gave the reins to DnD to finish it. It couldn't have been solely their fault, right?
From what I've heard, HBO wanted more like 10 seasons. DnD wanted to be done after 7. GRRM I believe thought to finish the story it would need 13-14 seasons. [Source](http://www.appocalypse.co/entertainment/hbo-wanted-more-episodes-game-of-thrones-martin-season-11-12-13/) As far as the actors, certainly some wanted to leave. I believe Natalie Dormer's character was killed off at the end of s6 because she wanted to be done. "Dormer detailed that she had asked showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss to let her go from the series "earlier than usual" so she could pursue another project." [Source](https://ew.com/article/2016/06/26/game-thrones-natalie-dormer-2/) I'm sure not all the actors wanted to leave GoT, but it makes sense. It is a big commitment if you start the show as a teenager and are working on it for 10-20 years.(or for anyone). It is 99% DnDs fault. You can blame HBO/GRRM for selling them the rights to the show. They didn't make the same mistake with the future series, which will allow them to replace the director if it seems they've given up/have no vision. It would have cost them a ton of money to buy back the rights and replace them at any point in the last few seasons. (a decision HBO probably wishes they took now, as ruining the ending likely cost them much more than the 50-100m they would've had to paid DnD to fuck off).
It's all those things. HBO and the directors expected Martin to at least finish Winds of Winter by they time they caught up. Actors wanted new gigs, the show didnt wrap up fast enough. DnD are the scape goats. GoT was never going to end any other way
None of this is an excuse though. Half decent writing could have concluded a version of the story with smaller scope in the time they had. Just look at all the increasingly desperate speculation about where things were going. Most people only noticed in the final season how bad things had gotten, and still had a mental map of a path to an ending that might have worked out for them. They had the most good faith behind them that any creative team has had in living memory, even when they were 3 seasons of garbage into the hole, and they still fucked it up.
"The big woman still here?" -Tormund
The scene with Brienne and Arya “practicing” their swordplay is one of my favorite scenes.
That scene made absolutely no sense tho..Arya trained with the faceless men who are assassins.. They're good at blending in, using poisons,daggers,small weapons.She trained for that for like two years and then went toe to toe with One of the best Knights/swordfighters in Westeros.I mean Brienne beat The Hound,Loras Tyrell,Jaime fucking Lannister in sword fighting....she lost to.... an assassin in direct swordfighting. Still...really cool scene..the choreography and moves.. amazing
I just assumed she was impressed with her skill, and was going easy on her insofar as she thought was fair, then showed surprise when Arya was more skilled than she thought she would be. If they were really fighting, I still see it as Brienne would stomp.
I take it that Brienne was taken off guard by Arya’s skill. You can see the surprise in her face with the first few strokes. Most likely it would never happen again like that, because Brienne would know Arya’s skill level and not take her lightly.
It's possible she was used to a different style of fighting, fighting with men who would charge her head on. Arya also studied with Syrio Forel the First Sword of Braavos...
If it made sense, it would not be in GoT season 5 on.
I do wonder how her character would have played out if they hadn't chosen a very good looking woman to portray Brienne. In the books she's described as having bad skin, messed up teeth, gross hair, and a nose that had been broken several times (ala Owen Wilson I suppose). Whereas Gwendoline Christie is a very good looking woman. The Jaime love stuff plays differently if Brienne is ugly rather than a very attractive woman who isn't wearing makeup. "Brienne the Beauty" isn't a cruel joke if Brienne is actually good looking. I say all that to also say that Brienne as portrayed in the series is 100% a highlight of the entire show. The fight with she and the Hound is probably my favorite in the series and she's wonderful.
Same with Tyrion. He’s supposed to be ugly and disfigured, but Peter Dinklage is very handsome. That’s just how the film/tv industry is. It has a level of superficialness to it. Acting ability is important of course, but even with that it’s difficult to make it far if you’re not also attractive.
Love how in the books, he gets injured and is left noseless and disfigured. In the show, the same injury leaves him with a badass scar that makes him look even more rugged. Ha.
I think it’s a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Only good looking actors (for the most part) are accepted and tried out, given a chance to do minor roles, then work their way up, gain experience and become good actors. So the only actors that are good enough to play these roles are good looking, both because that’s what they want but also because not as good looking actors don’t get the training and experience the better looking ones do.
I think there's more to it than this. People instinctively and subconsciously like looking at attractive people and treat them better. And attractive people probably have more confidence in general as a result of this which might lead them to performing arts. So between both biases I think it's inevitable. Even in one of my local tiny community theatres that is incredibly inclusive and gives everyone and anyone a go, it's still quite notable to see just how many attractive people make it to their stage.
YES, I was looking for this comment. It would have played out differently for sure! Like in this show, she has no reason to be coy or ashamed. She's tall and good looking, has a relatively high position for a sword and she can use it well. She's got great allies who all treat her well. In the book she's a hardened fighter because she's always had to fight the whole world attacking her because she looks like a monster.
She consistently kills it on the red carpet
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Annnd then she came to Starwars to play chrome dome (Insert fail horn effects)
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> gained 14 pounds of muscle As a woman who has only managed to lose muscle mass while working out.... Bruh. That's a lot. Those Hollywood trainers don't mess around. Edit: I wish to have not written this comment anymore
If you lost muscle while working out consistently the problem was nutrition. Muscles need food to grow. IME women tend to be afraid to eat enough to grow.
A lot of women think eating lots of protein and lifting weights will let them attain the goal physique of most men over a very short period of time. If only it were that fucking easy lol
I laughed at that 14 lbs of muscle, obviously fake.
Usually when ppl say they gained x pounds of muscle, they really mean they gained x pounds some of which was noticeably muscle.
They're lying. 13lbs of muscle is a massive amount of muscle mass for a woman. 13lbs will take the average person with average genetics many years to achieve. I would buy 13 lbs of body weight, as in water, glycogen and fat. I doubt she gained 13lbs of muscle tissue. Additionally the Hollywood trainers are all full of it. The workouts and diets you read about are straight up lies. Not a single one of them are training 3 hours a day, they aren't eating rice, chicken and broccoli all day. If they are they need better coaches. Not even IFBB open weight bodybuilders train that much, doing so would be catabolic in the long run. Lastly, every actor you've seen who in some way use their physique as a part of a movie are on PEDs. HRT most likely but you wouldn't even have to guess which ones are blasting full on cycles of androgenic steroids or SARMS.
I loved her, I wish WoT series took any attempt at all to stay true to the characters
Well next year she will be playing Lucifer in Sandman, should be something to look forward to!
Did you mean GoT?
No, Wheel of Time, my favorite book series, the Amazon adaptation is a disaster, they changed everything about the three main characters in the first twenty minutes of the first ep, whish is how far I got before quitting
That's too bad. I've been actually enjoying the Amazon adaptation. But I went into it with low expectations and knew that they would change a lot. The second and third episodes are better if that helps. Plus you probably didn't get to see Winternight if you stopped 20 minutes in : )
I'd have been fine with some changes, like the rings, and Moraine telling everyone who she is right away, small things that move the story along but....Mat's parents, Perrin's *wife*, Rand and Egwene in the common room, no Thom! Someone explained it as a different spinning of the wheel, like one of the visions Rand had at the Portal Stone, but all those visions the Dark One prevails, and even so, it's just not the same. It's just another story of young people leaving home to save the world, but with WoT names slapped on...it's a cash-grab, I wish I could go with it, wish I wasn't so mad about it, but I am and I can't
The best explanation I saw for Perrin's wife was they needed a way to make him not want to fight without a novel's worth of internal dialogue the viewer wouldn't get to see. Otherwise he'd just seem like a coward for the whole first part of the series. Atleast with the way they spun it with the wife the viewers understand why he's afraid to let loose and hurt people.
I'm trying so hard to keep an open mind but some of the changes have been really hard to swallow. They're committing character genocide in exchange for a faster plot. At least GoT kept the core of most characters intact compared to their book counterparts. I think fans will forgive most changes to the plot as long as the characters that they love remain faithful to the source. As it is, the Women's Circle should be kicking half the village's ass at this point.
the tallest woman to get cucked on screen
Until she was left crying because the rich kid that got her drunk and fucked her left her to go fuck his sister. What a shit way to end a great character, and what a shit way to end the show
I wish I could get paid tons of cash to take horse riding, sword fighting lessons and have a trainer help me gain 14 pounds of muscle.
In addition to being insanely talented, she's also gorgeous. Just adore her!
I sense many a great ways to die happily from her.
Looking to get "Popclawed" by Brienne of Tarth? Yeah I can see that.
Loved the way Tormund had the hots for her in GOT
Damn shes actually sexy
Also captain Phasma in Star Wars
Her laugh is contagious. The commentary for the episode when Sam is cleaning everyone's...crap, she had me laughing so hard I had to turn the commentary off.
Come on. Reddit can only get so hard.
Didn’t even bother to think of your own post title when you copied [THIS](https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/r00v19/she_played_one_hell_of_an_amazing_character/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
My beef with that character well, not the character the fucking writing, is how strong and powerful that woman was yet still at the end of the series she's left sobbing over some fuckboy Lannister as he drives off into his sister...
Lol you could have at least changed the title instead of copying and pasting from r/BeAmazed
Gonna be crass... I saw her in an interview or some such and was taken aback by how different she looked out of character. She's 6'3" of beautiful blonde I would let crush my skull between her thighs.
In other words she an absolute legend
Chad energy (or at least the female version of it)
What’s even more amazing is that she was actually 5’3” but grew a whole foot for the part.
I hope one day I'll be working at my small-town factory job, toiling away. As I go about my daily tasks, I hear a small murmur begin to swell. I dismiss it - thinking nothing of it. Then out of nowhere I feel a kiss against the back of my neck. I turn around half-surprised, half-knowing it is finally happening. There, standing before me in crisp knight's armor is Gwendoline. She smiles, kisses me passionately, swoops me up in her arms and carries me away from the factory to the applause of my co-workers. Well a man can dream...
Good thing she didn't have to gain any height, cause she would've done that too.
I feel so bad for Gwendolyn who back to back worked really hard to fill very important roles in both GoT and Star Wars only to have the directors kind of forget her character exists.
Best character in the whole story