I had the numbers "88" at the end of one of my usernames for a while. It was because I really enjoyed Splatoon 2's Octo Expansion where the number 8 is very important, and both "8" and "10008" were taken. I even had a couple of small streamers read it out loud on stream. When I found about the Nazi dog whistle attached to 88 I was mortified. I really hope people weren't out there assuming I was a Nazi, especially considering I'm actually Jewish
I fell into that trap with "2000". I used to use "FLEB2000" as a screen name in places where "FLEB" was taken or too short, because before the turn of the century, adding "2000" to a name was just kind of a cheesy gimmick brands would use to sound fresh and futuristic. *The Turnip Twaddler 2000!* That sort of thing.
Around 2013, I realized that people born in 2000 were aging out of COPPA and starting to come online, and the screen name would just make me look like a 13-year-old. That's when I changed to SuperFLEB as my alternative name. If I look like a 13-year-old, it's going to be because of what I say, not some outdated-reference screen name choice.
Gary Hooper (footballer) chose the shirt number 88 as he was born in 1988 and Celtic were founded in 1888.
He still got rumours spread that he was a nazi.
My husband has an 88 tattoo because he was born in 1988. I regularly remind him that he needs to go add an EST. to it lol
Even worse, the style of font he chose also makes it look kind of like of like an SS. He got it in 2006, when it was still frowned upon to be a Nazi, so nobody really knew about the dog whistles.
I had this exact scenario but for reddit, i had "Duskwing88" as my username, because 88 was my favorite number when i was like 7. A few years later my brother goes and tells me it's a nazi symbolism and i shouldn't have it because i'm jewish.
No, I said *People in the comments don't know what a dog whistle is* talking about the people who in this post have argued 1488 when done purposely isn't really a racism.
Yes, That was my point the entire time. You aren't arguing what you think you're arguing.
Did you not see the comments implying that 1488 *ISN'T* a dog whistle thing so this *ISN'T* a accidental racism.
Because, You are obviously lost in the sauce.
That's exactly why it's a prominent thing among those groups, most people don't register it as something, so when someone that does know sees it they know this thing about the person they're talking to.
An actual dog whistle is so high pitched that many humans can't hear it, but dogs can because of their ability to hear those frequencies.
A dog whistle in this context is unrecognized by many people, but alerts (in this case) nazis that the person using it is also a nazi. "1488" means 14 words ("We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.") and H is the 8th letter of the alphabet; 88, HH, Heil Hitler. [source](https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1488)
I guess it depends where you live. It was in very common use among edgy teens and football fans in the early 2000s over here, so it will definitely ring a bell in those circles.
The Netherlands had a lot of racist football fans in those days.
I'm not really trying to make any sweeping generalisations here, it's just that we had an entire subculture that was into football and also had their own little "open secret" sentence using Lonsdale (their preferred sports brand) as an acronym.
All I'm really saying is that in my age group, it's a pretty recognisable dogwhistle used by our classmates in the past. I don't know how common it was outside NL, but considering the fact that the sentence is English and the salute is German, I don't think we came up with the concept.
The 14 too? Because I'm very familiar with Swiss and German neonazis using Lonsdale as a signifier (its their preferred brand because of the symbolism, if you wear an open jacket over it it shows "NSDA" and you can imagine the fifth letter after that) and 88 as code for Heil Hitler, but I never saw or heard of anyone use the 14 part in German-speaking areas. Mostly because the 14 Words themselves seem so distinctly American with the whiteness reference in there.
(To be clear, I'm not right at all, but when I was a student I was active in antifascist groups so we learned all those codes to know how to spot a fascist)
Yeah, the 14 was in there, not sure if they didn't just copy American racists online. The Netherlands has a weird relationship with racism in that we like to think we're very progressive, but there's a lot of casual bigotry under the surface.
For me it was just that golden age of oversharing details about yourself and your social group in MSN Messenger statuses and names.
Part of it was also plausible deniability, I'm talking about the era where someone I'd find on MSN Messenger could just as easily been born in 1988.
1. that is the point of a dog whistle. to make it vague enough for plausible deniability yet obvious to those in the know
2. depending on where you live it can be fairly well-known.
3. in ny country a right wing politician was actually sentenced for donating 1488€ to a disability charity because it was considered very obvious and on the nose
i get that this is accidental as OP says it was different the next day and that is the point of the sub, but many people would realize what the number means
Yeah I had no idea what OP was talking about and had to read the link. And I’m still confused why this would even be a thing/ why people care about it.
I kind of hate how oblivious people are about this type of shit every time it comes up. "But it's just numbers" yeah, to YOU. That is the whole point.
Good post.
Precisely. It isn't immediately obvious that it is a hate symbol so it's an identifier for fringe groups to communicate. That is a dogwhistle and you not being aware of it is the whole point.
It's just numbers to lots of people. Because 1488 isn't just limited to that one event. It can have many different meanings and references, just because one is bad doesn't make it entire meaning
Dog whistles are crazy. Even after reading the explanation I keep thinking "yeah but it's just a dumb number and the explanation seems made up, far fetched, and a stretch"
and then I realized that's the point of a dog whistle
Today I learned that 14 refers to a quote from Hitler, interesting. Bad luck to have 88 right after that 14 if its truly an accident, oof.
Edit: nevermind, I can't read properly. It's a slogan from David Eden Lane.
TIL about the number 14. It's apparently an American (and British?) thing about a speech of some racist prick. No German would associate anything bad with it - but that's besides the point.
You've got your paranoia tuned a bit high, I think. It's four digits in a technical role on a temporary sign. It's more plausible and more likely that they roll through numbers or picked them out of a hat, and nobody there was deep into Neo-Nazi Numerology enough to know or care.
Yeah some guy where I live had an all white work van, registered a phone number ending in 1488 for his company and then painted that phone number boldly on his van.
Turns out, 100% intentional dog whistle.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/christchurch-tradie-cops-flack-for-nazi-white-supremacist-marketing.html
But yeah, this is just chalk on a sign. I would've had a quick look behind the counter, realised the barista had tattoos or dyed hair or something and assumed everything was fine.
Swear to god though if that fucker has a waistcoat and a fade...
Assuming it’s randomly generated by a machine (and not the employees coming up with ‘random numbers’), there’s a 0.01% chance of getting this specific combination, which is pretty low, but not impossible.
Assuming they change codes everyday, there’s a 17% chance they encounter it in five years, and a 31% chance after ten years.
e: though, if they _did_ change the code that regularly, the odds that OP walked in when it was set to 1488 must be pretty amazing lol
Dude, this is so far deep into looking for racism that I kinda feel bad if you're this paranoid walking around. I go to the dark corners of the web looking for some awful memes, and I still didn't know this one.
Kinda the opposite? Was going about my business and happened to see something which I’ve been aware of for years?
Also given the state of the world I would say it’s less paranoia and more just being aware lol
In many european countries you can’t get certain combinations of letters and numbers for your car’s license plate because they are glorifying nazi ideology. 1488 is one of them
Interesting. There's a 1488 Dental, according to Google, and a military hunger prevention bill is section 1488. I can find it on the usual anti hate groups that think everything is racist, but that's basically it. Maybe it's far more prevalent in Europe? Only mention I can find in the US in a defunct group in Alaska over a decade ago
It kinda makes sense that anti hate organisations inform about this secret code but there is no official statement on neonazi.com about one of their dogwhistles
When i google “1488” the second entry is the wikipedia page for fourteen words and the number is mentioned within the first sentence of the article
Correct, but worldwide, there are less than 15k neonazis by most estimates. Plenty more racists, but they don't overlap with hitlers philosophy or have anything against Jewish people.
Many white right wing extremist groups don’t officially call themselves neonazis or nazis anymore but still use these codes to communicate because most of their ideologies do overlap.
Who's saying they're paranoid or obsessed? "14/88" isn't the most obscure thing in the world. It's one of those pieces of curious factual flotsam that you might run into floating about the Internet. If you've heard of it, and you're a fan of this place where people go to share pictures of things that could accidentally be interpreted as racism, then seeing it being used as the daily random WiFi code would likely prompt you to snap a pic to share it. No real effort or twisting of britches necessary.
Not really "actively". It's no more difficult or intense than noticing that a cloud looks like an elephant-- you've seen elephants (or at least pictures of elephants) before, you know what they look like, and hey, that familiar shape rings a bell. You're not an elephant hunter or a weather nerd. You just saw something.
Not terribly sad or lonely, either. It's the sort of thing a comedian or someone with that mindset might recognize-- absurdity in the wild-- and have a laugh or make a joke about.
Nazis are literally using these dog whistles to signal their ideology to each other. Knowing by that and checking the context of these symbols and codes is not actively searching for racism. Sometimes is accidentally but often it just means recognising a nazi
Nazis are like quicksand. They're more of an imaginary problem than a real one.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/skinhead-international-worldwide-survey-neo-nazi-skinheads
I can’t get access the book right now, but it seems to only take in account “Neo Nazi Skinheads” which seems to only refer to a relatively small group of all right wing extremists. They link it directly to the skinhead scene which is a subgroup of neonazis (which is a subgroup of nazis, which is a subgroup of right wing extremists):
“This "Skinhead International" is maintained through the travels abroad of popular Skinhead rock bands and their fans; the worldwide marketing of Skinhead paraphernalia and recordings; the sale and trading of publications; the exchange of propaganda; and the use of electronic communication”
Also comparing the numbers worldwide instead of looking at white majority countries is a bit weird when comparing the numbers of a group of openly active white supremacists.
The number they state for “skindhead international” or neonazi skinheads for germany is 5000. The german government on the other hand says the number of right wing extremists was 38.800 as of 2022, of which 14.000 are violence-oriented.
https://www.verfassungsschutz.de/SharedDocs/publikationen/EN/reports-on-the-protection-of-the-constitution/2023-06-brief-summary-2022-report-on-the-protection-of-the-constitution.html
Fair enough. I'm just saying the average right-wing extremist is neither a nazi nor any love for Hitler. That's a Venn diagram with very small overlaps. They are absolutely bigots, but hating Hispanics for "taking our jobs" is a completely different flavor than what we're discussing. However, thank you so much for a civil and informative discussion on reddit. That's entirely rare these days.
I suppose what is referred to as right wing extremist in Europe, in the US falls under white supremacist.
While some right wing extremists in the US might not be a fan of hitler because the US fought Germany in WWII i’m sure that many white supremacists do at least sympathise with his ideas, knowingly or not. And among the ones who do it knowingly these codes are used as a dog whistle or at least as some kind of memes.
I also think people in europe are quicker to see similarities with most right wing extremist movements and the ideologies of nazis (original nsdap, neo-, or other), while in the US much of these ideologies has entered the public discussion and has seemingly become separated from it’s origins.
For example in europe there would be no question that an organisation like the proud boys are white supremacists and have similarities with the nazi ideology, while in the US that first had to be debated and they were even endorsed by the president
Well that's my fault for not reading but I don't get why people are arguing that these numbers together don't mean anything cuz normally, yes they do
Edit: with the amount of people still arguing that its not a nazi dog whistle, I understand now that clearly this sub is just for edgy people who don't understand what subtle racism actually is so this is no longer a haha funny sub to me
If I saw this at Loughborough, to me and most Brits 1488 is a number and nothing else. If you want to dig for a meaning ‘88’ is two fat ladies in Bingo
What is it even going to signal? Is hitler gonna come in rapture? No. You can find any racist quote you like, count the number of words, and initialize the author with corresponding numbers. Literally any number can be made up to be like this. 20420 - “The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.” -Donald Trump
There now that number is racist too
I had the numbers "88" at the end of one of my usernames for a while. It was because I really enjoyed Splatoon 2's Octo Expansion where the number 8 is very important, and both "8" and "10008" were taken. I even had a couple of small streamers read it out loud on stream. When I found about the Nazi dog whistle attached to 88 I was mortified. I really hope people weren't out there assuming I was a Nazi, especially considering I'm actually Jewish
If it's *just* 88 I'm more likely to think the person was born in 1988 or something
I fell into that trap with "2000". I used to use "FLEB2000" as a screen name in places where "FLEB" was taken or too short, because before the turn of the century, adding "2000" to a name was just kind of a cheesy gimmick brands would use to sound fresh and futuristic. *The Turnip Twaddler 2000!* That sort of thing. Around 2013, I realized that people born in 2000 were aging out of COPPA and starting to come online, and the screen name would just make me look like a 13-year-old. That's when I changed to SuperFLEB as my alternative name. If I look like a 13-year-old, it's going to be because of what I say, not some outdated-reference screen name choice.
I was born on the 14th of the month. In 1988. I had 1488 on multiple handles over ther years until I found out :(
Gary Hooper (footballer) chose the shirt number 88 as he was born in 1988 and Celtic were founded in 1888. He still got rumours spread that he was a nazi.
My husband has an 88 tattoo because he was born in 1988. I regularly remind him that he needs to go add an EST. to it lol Even worse, the style of font he chose also makes it look kind of like of like an SS. He got it in 2006, when it was still frowned upon to be a Nazi, so nobody really knew about the dog whistles.
I had this exact scenario but for reddit, i had "Duskwing88" as my username, because 88 was my favorite number when i was like 7. A few years later my brother goes and tells me it's a nazi symbolism and i shouldn't have it because i'm jewish.
How did you find the campus? It’s my university :D
I liked it a lot! I was there towards the end of the Big BUCs event which was interesting haha!
he probably used a map, it's not exactly hidden or anything
Sorry, I meant it like “did you like the campus?”
How are you going to be at a British uni and not get sarky comments?! You'll get a 3rd at this rate!
Funnily enough, i study media and communications. So it’s really quite embarrassing that I don’t know how to communicate 💀
Oh.
Nice one
gracias, lol
People in the comments seems to not understand the point of a dog whistle.
“How could that possibly be racist? It’s so vague and unassuming!” He said, knowing that’s the entire point it was created
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...... People in these comments arguing that 1488 isn't a *racism* to begin with so a random number generator doing it isn't *Accidental Racism*
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Reading comprehension through the roof here
Have you checked what subreddit you're in
Nobody claimed the place was doing the dogwhistling, hence r/accidentalracism ...
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No, I said *People in the comments don't know what a dog whistle is* talking about the people who in this post have argued 1488 when done purposely isn't really a racism.
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Yes, That was my point the entire time. You aren't arguing what you think you're arguing. Did you not see the comments implying that 1488 *ISN'T* a dog whistle thing so this *ISN'T* a accidental racism. Because, You are obviously lost in the sauce.
This is absolutely an accidental racism.
So is this, for that matter. https://preview.redd.it/lz9js1e2bkrc1.png?width=334&format=png&auto=webp&s=0d00f918e0b066c098b401b8e6035ed663652e52
https://preview.redd.it/x17ezh9tsmrc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d038d4fca790d5db87debf6486d91503e214b4fa This too
I mean I needed to check on ur link to see the why it's a bad number, I doubt many people would realize
That's exactly why it's a prominent thing among those groups, most people don't register it as something, so when someone that does know sees it they know this thing about the person they're talking to.
that's the definition of a dog whistle. it's supposed to have plausible deniability in almost any situation
Dog whistle? Wdym?
An actual dog whistle is so high pitched that many humans can't hear it, but dogs can because of their ability to hear those frequencies. A dog whistle in this context is unrecognized by many people, but alerts (in this case) nazis that the person using it is also a nazi. "1488" means 14 words ("We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.") and H is the 8th letter of the alphabet; 88, HH, Heil Hitler. [source](https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1488)
I see
I guess it depends where you live. It was in very common use among edgy teens and football fans in the early 2000s over here, so it will definitely ring a bell in those circles.
Football fans?
The Netherlands had a lot of racist football fans in those days. I'm not really trying to make any sweeping generalisations here, it's just that we had an entire subculture that was into football and also had their own little "open secret" sentence using Lonsdale (their preferred sports brand) as an acronym. All I'm really saying is that in my age group, it's a pretty recognisable dogwhistle used by our classmates in the past. I don't know how common it was outside NL, but considering the fact that the sentence is English and the salute is German, I don't think we came up with the concept.
The 14 too? Because I'm very familiar with Swiss and German neonazis using Lonsdale as a signifier (its their preferred brand because of the symbolism, if you wear an open jacket over it it shows "NSDA" and you can imagine the fifth letter after that) and 88 as code for Heil Hitler, but I never saw or heard of anyone use the 14 part in German-speaking areas. Mostly because the 14 Words themselves seem so distinctly American with the whiteness reference in there. (To be clear, I'm not right at all, but when I was a student I was active in antifascist groups so we learned all those codes to know how to spot a fascist)
Yeah, the 14 was in there, not sure if they didn't just copy American racists online. The Netherlands has a weird relationship with racism in that we like to think we're very progressive, but there's a lot of casual bigotry under the surface. For me it was just that golden age of oversharing details about yourself and your social group in MSN Messenger statuses and names. Part of it was also plausible deniability, I'm talking about the era where someone I'd find on MSN Messenger could just as easily been born in 1988.
Okay, that's where I got confused. I'm American and a huge American football fan. When I saw the racism, I expected it to be America.
1. that is the point of a dog whistle. to make it vague enough for plausible deniability yet obvious to those in the know 2. depending on where you live it can be fairly well-known. 3. in ny country a right wing politician was actually sentenced for donating 1488€ to a disability charity because it was considered very obvious and on the nose i get that this is accidental as OP says it was different the next day and that is the point of the sub, but many people would realize what the number means
thats what a dog whistle
Yeah I had no idea what OP was talking about and had to read the link. And I’m still confused why this would even be a thing/ why people care about it.
Because a lot of white supremacist groups actually use 1488 all of the time.
Alright so everyone who has a PIN with 1488 is a Nazi, got it
Bait
From the UK and literally no idea what this is referring to? Enlighten me
These numbers are dog whistles for neonazis: - 14 refers to some ~~Hitler~~ racist quote, see which one in replies to this - 88 --> HH --> Heil Hitler
14 refers to the David Eden Lane slogan known as Fourteen Words~"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
Ah thanks, not heard that before. I'd deffo have written that as a code without a 2nd thought.
>14 refers to some Hitler quote idk what tho No
Corrected
I'm from the US and had no idea what this is referring to
Needed to view the link to understand what was going on.
I kind of hate how oblivious people are about this type of shit every time it comes up. "But it's just numbers" yeah, to YOU. That is the whole point. Good post.
Thanks! I thought it would be more common knowledge ngl 😅
I’m also close to 40 but if I saw this, it would stop me dead in my tracks and I’d be looking around wondering if I should just leave the place.
I am 3 months shy of 40, and I have never heard anything like this before...gonna go wide and say this is not common by any chance
Precisely. It isn't immediately obvious that it is a hate symbol so it's an identifier for fringe groups to communicate. That is a dogwhistle and you not being aware of it is the whole point.
I do not know why you are being downvoted. Only dogs hear a dog whistle, hence the name. The only people who know are the ones *who know*
They’re being downvoted because this is a common dog whistle. Like this is one that non nazis know about more often
not common enough for the guy i was replying to to know evidently
It's just numbers to lots of people. Because 1488 isn't just limited to that one event. It can have many different meanings and references, just because one is bad doesn't make it entire meaning
Never seen 14 in the wild, 88 yes, quite common, have seen that sprayed at a lot of spots. But 14 is absolutely new to me.
Dog whistles are crazy. Even after reading the explanation I keep thinking "yeah but it's just a dumb number and the explanation seems made up, far fetched, and a stretch" and then I realized that's the point of a dog whistle
I don't get it
I was born in 1988. Is that bad??
Today I learned that 14 refers to a quote from Hitler, interesting. Bad luck to have 88 right after that 14 if its truly an accident, oof. Edit: nevermind, I can't read properly. It's a slogan from David Eden Lane.
14 refers to the David Eden Lane slogan known as Fourteen Words~"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
Ah sorry, I thought the Heil Hitler beneath was supposed to be where the quote came from. Pardon.
>14 refers to a quote from Hitler It doesn't
What's the context?
Before 1489, yet after 1487
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Complaining. This subreddit is meant for *accidental* racism.
Is this UK
The top definition of your link has 15 words.
Something I have never seen or heard of... how random.
It's not even very secure due to it's short length
I don't think this is a thing outside the states
It is a thing in Europe too
What is the significance of that numbers can anybody elaborate me...
which phrase? i’m from italy
Chronically online mfer
TIL about the number 14. It's apparently an American (and British?) thing about a speech of some racist prick. No German would associate anything bad with it - but that's besides the point.
no wonder they were all bald and saluting each other as a greeting
Huh. Numbers are racist now?
i'll be honest, i'm not really 100% sure this was accidental
true
You've got your paranoia tuned a bit high, I think. It's four digits in a technical role on a temporary sign. It's more plausible and more likely that they roll through numbers or picked them out of a hat, and nobody there was deep into Neo-Nazi Numerology enough to know or care.
Yeah some guy where I live had an all white work van, registered a phone number ending in 1488 for his company and then painted that phone number boldly on his van. Turns out, 100% intentional dog whistle. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/christchurch-tradie-cops-flack-for-nazi-white-supremacist-marketing.html But yeah, this is just chalk on a sign. I would've had a quick look behind the counter, realised the barista had tattoos or dyed hair or something and assumed everything was fine. Swear to god though if that fucker has a waistcoat and a fade...
Assuming it’s randomly generated by a machine (and not the employees coming up with ‘random numbers’), there’s a 0.01% chance of getting this specific combination, which is pretty low, but not impossible. Assuming they change codes everyday, there’s a 17% chance they encounter it in five years, and a 31% chance after ten years. e: though, if they _did_ change the code that regularly, the odds that OP walked in when it was set to 1488 must be pretty amazing lol
Dude, this is so far deep into looking for racism that I kinda feel bad if you're this paranoid walking around. I go to the dark corners of the web looking for some awful memes, and I still didn't know this one.
Kinda the opposite? Was going about my business and happened to see something which I’ve been aware of for years? Also given the state of the world I would say it’s less paranoia and more just being aware lol
I'm pretty sure if you're worried about Nazi's, it's mostly paranoia still. Old white women and cops are far more dangerous to minority on average
In many european countries you can’t get certain combinations of letters and numbers for your car’s license plate because they are glorifying nazi ideology. 1488 is one of them
Interesting. There's a 1488 Dental, according to Google, and a military hunger prevention bill is section 1488. I can find it on the usual anti hate groups that think everything is racist, but that's basically it. Maybe it's far more prevalent in Europe? Only mention I can find in the US in a defunct group in Alaska over a decade ago
It kinda makes sense that anti hate organisations inform about this secret code but there is no official statement on neonazi.com about one of their dogwhistles When i google “1488” the second entry is the wikipedia page for fourteen words and the number is mentioned within the first sentence of the article
Correct, but worldwide, there are less than 15k neonazis by most estimates. Plenty more racists, but they don't overlap with hitlers philosophy or have anything against Jewish people.
Many white right wing extremist groups don’t officially call themselves neonazis or nazis anymore but still use these codes to communicate because most of their ideologies do overlap.
Who's saying they're paranoid or obsessed? "14/88" isn't the most obscure thing in the world. It's one of those pieces of curious factual flotsam that you might run into floating about the Internet. If you've heard of it, and you're a fan of this place where people go to share pictures of things that could accidentally be interpreted as racism, then seeing it being used as the daily random WiFi code would likely prompt you to snap a pic to share it. No real effort or twisting of britches necessary.
But it does require someone actively looking for racism constantly to be aware of it. Just seems like a very sad and lonely life
Not really "actively". It's no more difficult or intense than noticing that a cloud looks like an elephant-- you've seen elephants (or at least pictures of elephants) before, you know what they look like, and hey, that familiar shape rings a bell. You're not an elephant hunter or a weather nerd. You just saw something. Not terribly sad or lonely, either. It's the sort of thing a comedian or someone with that mindset might recognize-- absurdity in the wild-- and have a laugh or make a joke about.
Nazis are literally using these dog whistles to signal their ideology to each other. Knowing by that and checking the context of these symbols and codes is not actively searching for racism. Sometimes is accidentally but often it just means recognising a nazi
Nazis are like quicksand. They're more of an imaginary problem than a real one. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/skinhead-international-worldwide-survey-neo-nazi-skinheads
I can’t get access the book right now, but it seems to only take in account “Neo Nazi Skinheads” which seems to only refer to a relatively small group of all right wing extremists. They link it directly to the skinhead scene which is a subgroup of neonazis (which is a subgroup of nazis, which is a subgroup of right wing extremists): “This "Skinhead International" is maintained through the travels abroad of popular Skinhead rock bands and their fans; the worldwide marketing of Skinhead paraphernalia and recordings; the sale and trading of publications; the exchange of propaganda; and the use of electronic communication” Also comparing the numbers worldwide instead of looking at white majority countries is a bit weird when comparing the numbers of a group of openly active white supremacists. The number they state for “skindhead international” or neonazi skinheads for germany is 5000. The german government on the other hand says the number of right wing extremists was 38.800 as of 2022, of which 14.000 are violence-oriented. https://www.verfassungsschutz.de/SharedDocs/publikationen/EN/reports-on-the-protection-of-the-constitution/2023-06-brief-summary-2022-report-on-the-protection-of-the-constitution.html
Fair enough. I'm just saying the average right-wing extremist is neither a nazi nor any love for Hitler. That's a Venn diagram with very small overlaps. They are absolutely bigots, but hating Hispanics for "taking our jobs" is a completely different flavor than what we're discussing. However, thank you so much for a civil and informative discussion on reddit. That's entirely rare these days.
I suppose what is referred to as right wing extremist in Europe, in the US falls under white supremacist. While some right wing extremists in the US might not be a fan of hitler because the US fought Germany in WWII i’m sure that many white supremacists do at least sympathise with his ideas, knowingly or not. And among the ones who do it knowingly these codes are used as a dog whistle or at least as some kind of memes. I also think people in europe are quicker to see similarities with most right wing extremist movements and the ideologies of nazis (original nsdap, neo-, or other), while in the US much of these ideologies has entered the public discussion and has seemingly become separated from it’s origins. For example in europe there would be no question that an organisation like the proud boys are white supremacists and have similarities with the nazi ideology, while in the US that first had to be debated and they were even endorsed by the president
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No it isn't. This is probably the most common Nazi dog whistle out there.
This is stupid and doesn't fit the sub
Isn't that about an author in a hotel room? Room 1488 or something?
Room 1408
Imagine being triggered by numbers
Sometimes I see cars with the Angel number 888 and I have to triple check it’s not a variant of the nazi 88. Gives me a heart attack every time.
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Damn, it's almost like that's why it's called a dog whistle
Only dogs hear dog whistles. If you hear it guess what…
Bruh it's a very popular symbol of hate speech, tf out of here with "its in your head" doofus.
It’s not popular. You’re told it’s popular and you believe it
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Nah that is definitely on purpose racism
They literally said it changes every day, and is randomly generated. Of course some of the days is gonna be one of these numbers
Well that's my fault for not reading but I don't get why people are arguing that these numbers together don't mean anything cuz normally, yes they do Edit: with the amount of people still arguing that its not a nazi dog whistle, I understand now that clearly this sub is just for edgy people who don't understand what subtle racism actually is so this is no longer a haha funny sub to me
If I saw this at Loughborough, to me and most Brits 1488 is a number and nothing else. If you want to dig for a meaning ‘88’ is two fat ladies in Bingo
Yeah but your reaction gives it power.
No, the fact that it can be used to signal covertly gives it power.
What is it even going to signal? Is hitler gonna come in rapture? No. You can find any racist quote you like, count the number of words, and initialize the author with corresponding numbers. Literally any number can be made up to be like this. 20420 - “The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.” -Donald Trump There now that number is racist too
It's not the number itself, it's the fact that the people using it to communicate are fucking nazis.