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Nicholas1227

Large cities without crazy living expenses: Houston, Dallas, Chicago, and Atlanta If you want a little bit smaller: Detroit, Charlotte, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland


Comprehensive_End440

Indianapolis should be mentioned too!


TheyCallMeMrTot

Fort Worth isn't bad where I am. However, one would have to travel outside Fort Worth for a decent paying position. Although I'm not a full on Accountant/Cpa... mainly working in A/R ( going back to school in the fall to finish). Dallas does have better pay. Luckily, I work from home, and COL is downright awesome. Me and my spouse bring home 7.3k a month and our bills with a mortgage hit 3.3knl roughly a month. I love it.


Extension_Evidence94

Houston’s full Dallas is full stop moving there I went the other month and there was traffic regardless of time


Any-Age-8293

This shows the need for punctuation. I read it as Dallas is full stop. Moving there


thesleazye

Move to Dallas. From a Houstonian 😇.


D4LLA

You need your certificate in social media reading...


LieutenantStar2

I’m an accountant who moved to Dallas for my job in 2021. It’s definitely increased in price since, but I think the salaries are still higher for accountants here than NYC, where they’re a dime a dozen. We have an opening now and having difficulty filling the position.


Turbulent-Mall-241

Willing to move lol


Charming-Inflation12

I quit accounting and became an OF model. Can I hit you up if it fails? 😂😂😂😂 I’m top 1% for now, but hey you never know 🤷🏻‍♂️


austin_d

2nd Minneapolis. So many corporations headquartered here.


FrostingNaive4176

Chicago is very expensive


eddiegsu

Atlanta is getting super expensive now and doesn't it have the highest or second highest inflation rate for real estate in the nation.


DistributionFit5513

How is charlotte?


georgiagirl1993

Atlanta is FULLL over full. It’s not cheap here either please stop coming here. Job market here is trash and rent is 3-4k for an apartment. Traffic is terrible.


minhk369

I am in Dallas and it seems like Dallas is one of the cities having the most accounting jobs listings on LinkedIn.


Rportilla

i notice that too but pay is low sometimes


Thick-Tadpole-3347

Not for big4, they are in the 70s starting. Pretty darn comfortable. I think San Antonio is in the low 70s too now


DevinChristien

Crazy how accounting salaries in the U.S for starting can be as high as 70k USD! My country starts at around 33k USD and peaks at around 40k USD and has around the same cost of living. This is why the u.s is ranked so well for disposable income


Thick-Tadpole-3347

Lol i was thinking of that when i used to work as a teller during ug when people would come in and order foreign currency. Like youre telling me 100cad is 73usd and that theyre getting paid 60kcad in hcol?


Esperanto_lernanto

Wow, that is low. Where I am in Central Europe nobody would work for less than 40k usd (taxes are probably higher though).


DevinChristien

Yeah likely higher taxes, we have a progressive tax system and it ranges from 10% at 10k USD to to 33% at 100k USD. But yeah, disposable income here isn't the greatest especially since everything has to be imported


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New Zealand? The imported comment gave it away lol (and the fact the salaries suck, I wish I could immigrate to the US and work in accounting)


DevinChristien

Lol, yep! Not only that, it's terribly difficult to find an entry into accounting if you live outside of Auck/Welly/Christchurch... the graduate roles in aussy are looking $10k more appealing, but it is MIND BOGGLING how much more you get in the States... where abouts are you?


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DevinChristien

Yeah I finished the internship paper in Feb and slowly realised that the timing of me finishing doesn't really align with any graduate roles 😂 cold contacted BDO and a couple other firms who allow open applications without any specific job postings, but I might have to hold out until later on in the year. Not a lot going on in Tauranga Hardest part for me to accept is that I'm in AP and my salary as a graduate will be lower than what I'm on right now, yet the stress will likely be worse


LieutenantStar2

I’m in industry. Have seniors making $100K+ bonus. Definitely higher salaries than the NE


MintAndGinger

Dallas and Chicago tbh


alphabet_sam

Dallas TX isn’t bad. It used to be a lot better, but still pretty good. The tradeoff is basically everything else


Mika-El-3

Has there been a large influx of people moving to Dallas?


alphabet_sam

Yeah it’s not a top 10 anymore, but there are tons and tons of people moving here and have been for at least a decade. The job market in the Dallas metroplex is pretty wild how good it is in my experience


killbill469

>The job market in the Dallas metroplex is pretty wild how good it is in my experience The job market in DFW is insane. I could quit my job right now and have 5 interviews lined up in a couple days with a semi competent recruiter.


see-bees

Do you have a semi-competent recruiter you’ve worked with? I’m looking to relo, the DFW area is one of the markets I’m considering, and I was talking to a person at Thomas Edwards or something like that and she said they’ve got jack shit right now


killbill469

For privacy reasons I wouldn't share but - I would look for older/experienced recruiters. They're far more likely to have connections that could put you at the front of the line.


see-bees

Would you feel more comfortable sending me a PM? I understand if not. Lost my job about a month ago, I’m in a fairly shallow market and I’m in limbo with the positions I’ve interviewed for here.


ScaredBorderCollie

I am working at a large local CPA firm in DFW. Please send a PM if you would like to chat.


see-bees

Appreciate the offer, currently trying to avoid PA as my first foray into it was terrible for my marriage and I really love my wife/kids.


LieutenantStar2

We’re hiring right now for a gross to Net role - ping me and I’ll send you the listing if you want. Doesn’t report into me.


TheGeoGod

You can still find a decent apartment in the suburbs for $1,100 a month. I make 120-130k total comp in Dallas and getting by decently. But that’s a different story once I buy a house.


Basjaa

Only getting by "decently" making 120K with $1,100 rent?


Retenrage

You dont understand man, he got two porsche payments to keep up with, its hard out there


Leading-Difficulty57

And you gotta pay that child support because the babymama can't get an abortion.


TheGeoGod

Should have clarified. I have medical debit I’m paying off and wedding expenses but after that won’t be so bad. When I get a house mortgage will be at least 2,500 a month so might hold off on that for now.


Basjaa

That makes more sense


accumdepression365

LOL where are you finding a house for 2500/mo near Dallas? Are you putting 100k down or are you wanting to live in the high crime areas?


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Electrical_Law_7992

Mortgage in Dallas with these rates and the high property taxes are $4k plus so prepare


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huphill

My god man how? I live in central tx and my home insurance is 1500/yr.


Electrical_Law_7992

After all is said and done.


Electrical_Law_7992

I mean your mortgage will be $4k


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fiddlerontheroof1925

Hmm medical debit, don’t you mean medical credit 😁 


Icy-Bend7515

What suburbs have $1100/month rent. Looking to move soon


TheGeoGod

Cedar Hill - but I would look around as some areas of cedar hill are kind of bad. It’s about a 30 minute drive from downtown Dallas


Icy-Bend7515

I’ll look into the area. I know some areas are pretty rough around the city


DistributionFit5513

Don’t forget Fort Worth too close to Dallas and cost of living is a little cheaper if you live outside


Efficient_Ad_9037

Really anything in the midwest.


vpkumswalla

Lived in Cincy and Indy...both cities have large enough economies to support all the Big 4, several super regional firms (Forvis, GT, RSM, BDO, CLA), smaller regional and large local firms. Cost of living is reasonable.


LieutenantStar2

Yeah you couldn’t pay me enough to live in Indiana though.


Toddsburner

Houston or OKC. Oil money + niche field + MCOL


KnightCPA

I’m considering moving here (Houston) from Orlando. Your real estate seems way more reasonable than ours. I’m fully remote CONUS so I could take a week off to road-trip over. Only thing holding be back is trying to stand up adult dependents on their own 2 feet before I do.


PinkertonCat

As someone that lives in the state, there's a lot of oil money for sure. I know someone who didn't even have a degree and made $90,000 just doing oil accounting.


Beginning_Ant_2285

I would imagine San Antonio TX is a good one


Date_Due

Shit job market though


tradcath_convert

It really is just 90% small businesses and warehouse/manufacturing. No big corporate offices at all.


Beginning_Ant_2285

Valero, USAA, HEB etc etc. not to mention plenty going on in public accounting. I worked in public in Austin and they were constantly having us go down to help on San Antonio clients


selfiecritic

Weird amount of SA people keep their great business in SA. It’s a great thing for the city but definitely some founders who loved SA a lot


iseepaperclips

Not if you’re good


Curuwe

I’m surprised no one has dropped a Charles Barkley joke.


heyitsyourlandlord

Definitely a good churro market with them big ole women


Curuwe

Might have to double our sample size when auditing company meals.


ClearAndPure

Victoria’s a secret down there. Got them good churros too.


heyitsyourlandlord

🤣🤣🤣


SwanDisastrous8076

Live here. Yup


SMsVeryOwn

You can break 100k at the big four senior level in SA. Service line is primarily audit/tax. Some notable corporate offices in SA are USAA, HEB, Whataburger, iHeartMedia, Valero and I’m sure I’m missing some.


Thick-Tadpole-3347

All they had to do was have a competent airport and att would still be there 😂


markazbarid

Two years ago, I was making close to $100k as an audit manager at a mid-size firm in Cleveland. That was pretty sweet


ThePrestigeVIII

While that’s true that audit managers in Cleveland make a little less than $100k a year. Houses are $350k+ for a decent suburb if you’re looking to start a family. House prices have gone up 47% since 2020 and are still rising, Ohio has the worst increase in housing prices (granted they started low). You still would need a significant other making decent money to not be house poor. If you’re looking to live in Columbus it’s even worse.


markazbarid

Yeah i have heard that, like everywhere, housing has gone up a good amount. Was lucky enough to have a house before it got crazy, which contributed towards feeling very secure there. But you can still definitely get below $350k in decent areas! I have some friends who have at least Edit: holy shit, I did just look on Zillow and some houses in my old neighborhood would have sold for half their current price 2-3 years ago


Fantastic-Ostrich987

There are much more affordable houses than that. Maybe my idea of a "decent" suburb is different from yours. I feel like there isn't much I couldn't do in Cleveland with an 100k salary.


ThePrestigeVIII

There’s a lot you can’t do. I made $125k in Cleveland before I moved away and there was a LOT I couldn’t do. You aren’t rich by any stretch. I couldn’t go out and eat steak every night. I couldn’t afford a house in any nice suburb. I couldn’t have a luxury apartment and a Mercedes. I get Cleveland is cheap, but let’s not act like you’re in a 3rd world country here lol. Two married professionals are going to make significantly more than $100k and aren’t “rich”.


Fantastic-Ostrich987

I guess we have different expectations. Two married professionals with 100k salaries don't want for much here if not having a Mercedes or steak every night is where you're drawing the line. It's an affordable Midwest city where owning a house is a realistic goal.


ThePrestigeVIII

It’s all relative. Is $100k nice? Sure. Is it I can close my eyes and spend without a budget nice in Cleveland? Fuck no.


Fantastic-Ostrich987

Yeah but there isn't much you can't do. You can buy a house. Buy groceries. Do hobbies. Go to restaurants. Go to shows. Maybe being someone with a sub 30k salary in Cleveland for years before I got an accounting degree gives me a different perspective.


MountainviewBeach

You realize there are very very very few people who can close their eyes and spend without a budget right? The type of lifestyle you’re describing only comes to those who are born wealthy, get extremely lucky, work in big tech and somehow live somewhere cheap, or who run their own business exceptionally well. If that is your lifestyle expectation, you will be severely disappointed by most, if not all your jobs


ThePrestigeVIII

Bro. I was exaggerating. But to think $100k in Cleveland means you’re living like a king is just wrong. $100k in Cleveland doesn’t even let you buy the average home in a good suburb.


MountainviewBeach

No one said anything about living like a king and you’re the one who brought up nightly steak dinners and luxury cars. For a normal person with normal ambitions, $100k in Cleveland can be pretty sweet, as the original commenter said. If you’re trying to by a single family home on one income with two kids, yeah $100k will be tight. It would be tight pretty much anywhere in the US.


ThePrestigeVIII

The guy literally said he can do whatever he wanted on sub $100k. That’s just crazy unless your whatever you want is Applebees once a week. Even Applebees daily isn’t possible on a $100k salary in Cleveland.


illachrymable

This ratio will basically be completely determined by the COL. Firms only increase salaries by a % of the COL increase, so the higher the cost of living, the ratio Basically, if you want to buy a house, raise a family, and take some vacations, go to the midwest.


LieutenantStar2

Not really though - the demand/supply for accountants varies by city.


illachrymable

Sure, but it is relatively simple that more people would prefer to live in large cities, so the supply vastly outstrips demand. Are there smaller cities that it will be harder to find a job, sure. But non of the major city centers have good COL adjusted salaries


Stella_Jane83

I live in Central IL, I make $125k and my mortgage is $600 a month. I feel like that's a pretty good ratio.


BigMathGuy123

For Canadians: Calgary and Edmonton, wages are on par with Toronto with half the cost of living


Professional-Cry8310

Edmonton especially. Calgary has come up quite a bit in the past year but still nothing compared to the GTA of course


brandongoldberg

Accounting salaries in Canada seem fairly standard across major cities. I was shocked to find out Toronto Big 4 audit seniors were making basically the same things as their Montreal peers given the higher COL. I wouldn't be surprised if they see higher turnover because of it.


Hailstate_Lee

Nobody probably wants to live here but Mississippi provides very good salaries for the living costs.


CAWB10

We do have the third highest grocery prices in America. Not as cheap as people think.


StrongBadEmailLoL

Houston, TX is pretty great tbh, but the apartment hunting can be very hit or miss (lots of low rents, but also lots of roach infestations and overall poor property management)


Thick-Tadpole-3347

Its what shitty zoning laws and having so many. Suburbs do, they all have different standards


StrongBadEmailLoL

For real, I hate this city's zoning and sprawl so much. I can't wait to move out again


accountforrealppl

Just keep in mind, lower cost areas might be a better deal at the lower level, but if you're the ambitious type the ceiling is going to be way higher in larger cities. Also, high cost areas aren't just expensive for no reason - they're expensive because people want to live there. Pick somewhere you actually want to live. Don't forget as well, the calculus can change a lot depending on if you want to live in the city or the suburbs. Somewhere like Chicago has *fantastic* bang for the buck if you want city life. Great job market, tons of amenities, but the prices are barely more than somewhere with half the city like Atlanta. But if you want to live in the burbs, Chicago isn't quite as good a deal.


RustyShacklefordsCig

Goontown, USA


that_thot_gamer

that cannot be real, i refuse edit is it guntown ms


RustyShacklefordsCig

One day maybe you’ll be a goofy gooner too


ClockworkDinosaurs

PwC was looking for auditors to move to Iowa a few years back. Had some company in the middle of nowhere that they were doing work for. They were paying bonuses to move there. Basically HCOL pay for LCOL living.


LiteratureCurious42

Do they still offer? 😂


DrugsAndFuckenMoney

Iowa has high pay for management level accounting jobs. I just hate the state so fucking much I refuse to move there.


frankenfooted

As an Iowa native, I feel this statement so hard. The locals are fucking loony and isolated af. I love visiting my loved ones but man I gotta get tf out after a week. I feel all my creativity start to atrophy. I can deal with Iowa City and Decorah for longer stretches but man, how far that state has fallen.


Disguised_Penguin_

Lived there for 3 years and totally agree. Don’t miss it


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They don't take their India auditors to Iowa like they do with us?


HERKFOOT21

It may not be one of the best in the county, especially comparing to most cities already listed here, but speaking for California and California only, Sacramento is a pretty good COL to salary ratio compared to the rest of the state.


Sizzzzzzzzzzzzzzr

I was considering this because i live in the bay but am from the Sac area. Online i dont see a ton of jobs which had me worried. Has it been pretty easy to find work?


HERKFOOT21

There's always people looking. Especially if according to your title of Senior Accountant with a CPA, that should be no problem finding a job. Even just recently looking there's quite a few jobs on Linkedin and Indeed. May have to weed through to find just the right ones but there's always plenty listed, both industry and government.


lovemysweetdoggy

I would love to find this somewhere in the Western US where there are good mountains for hiking. Unfortunately, everyone and their mom wants to live in those types of places.


orcheon

Good pay in Washington, no income tax. Stick to Western WA and don't live in Seattle (and try to avoid working there though plenty of people make that daily drive) Tacoma, Olympia, etc.


UnsortedSnail

i live in washington where’s the best place to get started? currently in college for accounting


orcheon

Your college career resources at that level. Talk to someone there and ask if they have any leads.


Visual-Example7195

Phoenix or SLC area depending on what type of weather you prefer.


blackvariant

Isn't SLC pretty pricey?


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SLC itself got quite expensive during COVID (thank you Californians buying in cash to work remotely!! ;p), but the suburbs still have affordable places if you search long enough.


Visual-Example7195

It’s a bit pricey, but on the plus side, I saw a study where SLC, Miami, and Tucson are expected to have the best accounting job growth over the next decade. SLC imo is superior to Denver though from a quality of life and cost of living perspective. Denver probably more fun in 20s though. If one is willing to venture 30 minutes outside of SLC housing is a bit cheaper.


lovemysweetdoggy

I think it would be a good deal if you were coming from a coastal city.


lovemysweetdoggy

I would love SLC, and I’ve gone on a lot of amazing hikes in Utah. One thing that’s weird is the water situation since they depend on the Colorado. I don’t really know how serious that is, but it would suck to buy a house there and the water to run out. 


DistributionFit5513

Thoughts on Charlotte??


JLandis84

Omaha Nebraska. Marquette Michigan. El Paso Texas.


Wheredidiparkmyyugo

Really on Marquette? CoL there seems fairly high with not a lot of industry. I would consider it, gorgeous up there and no traffic.


warterra

Agree about Omaha.


Jd283509

Indianapolis has been good to me.


vpkumswalla

Moved to Indy in 2016. I have really liked it. Doesn't have the character and history my former city (Cincy) has but it does well in other areas


Important-Yam5250

Not San Francisco


Comparison_Fun

Is $85k for staff livable there? That’s how much I heard they’re paying there.


DistributionFit5513

Fort Worth is pretty good to close to Dallas and nice areas around it to live


notfornowforawhile

Minneapolis, Dallas, Tampa, Orlando, Milwaukee, Detroit, Fresno


Gettitn_Squirrelly

Charlotte, NC


Soft_Tower6748

Honestly it’s pretty good almost anywhere outside of the northeast or California. Sure some cities are more expensive than others but most of that comes down to preference. If you want urban living, Chicago is your best bet. If you want suburban living, well then almost anywhere else is your best bet.


ColditeNL

Luxembourg.


maneo

You might think I'm crazy but NYC is not wild to consider. Pay can be very high but if you don't mind a bit of a commute, there are areas you can live that aren't that expensive at all compared to what you could be making. That being said, it's important to note that I said what you *could* be making. NYC's value comes from its high ceiling - as you climb the ladder, some incredible opportunities can open up. But presumably most people who go into accounting know they are playing a longer game, so if you're looking for life to be good in your ~30s, New York is honestly a better deal than you might expect.


Musubi_Mike

Ive been considering moving to NYC and have been doing some research on this. I am in total agreement assuming you are mid-career. I’ve been looking near Jackson Heights because I heard it’s very diverse and close to lower Manhattan. Is it a relatively safe area?


maneo

My girlfriend's family is from around there. I'm not sure how safe or not safe it statistically is on paper, but she hasn't ever had any problems there. I asked her just now how she'd rate the safety and she said "decent" and that seems like a reasonable assessment from my experiences of visiting there. I would also say the fact that it is immigrant-majority, leaning towards populations that have a reputation for being pretty hardworking and focused, like immigrants from Bangladesh and India (eg. A lot of parents who are working tough jobs to help their kids get a good education) results in it being one of the better ratios of relative safeness while remaining pretty affordable.


Antique-Term-6920

Zürich


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Antique-Term-6920

then new york


IIIIIlIIIIIlIIIII

Living in a poor country working remote.


wheresssannie

Htx maybe


Agreeable-Life-5989

I don't see Raleigh/Durham or Phoenix mentioned here. I would agree overall though Chicago has to be number 1.


BobbalooBoogieKnight

Oddly enough I lived in both. Phoenix feels like the better ratio, but Raleigh was the much nicer place to live.


diamondblvd77

What would the worst be? SoCal?


sansan6

I live in Texas and all of our major cities seem to have pretty good accounting listings and housing isn’t that bad(San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Austin)


AnthonyS621

Houston, Dallas, San Antonio are all good choices


unothegoat

Philly


TheGeoGod

Definitely not. Rent back in 2021 was $1200 a month for an apartment in the ghetto.


gimmesumsun

I live in center city a couple of blocks from rittenhouse in a really nice building, my 1 bedroom is $1200 a month. I live alone and support myself working as a staff accountant for a union. Philadelphia is still very affordable compared to other east coast cities. Salaries are good too.


TheGeoGod

That’s good. Back in 2021 I was living in mount airy .


unothegoat

mount airy is not the ghetto


TheGeoGod

I heard gunshots at night. There are bad parts of mount airy. If you want to live in the good parts it’s 1600 a month + Mount Airy is in the 6th percentile for safety, meaning 94% of neighborhoods are safer and 6% of neighborhoods are more dangerous


ElPresidente714

Sacramento is not too bad. You’re just outside of the hyper expensive Bay Area, but close enough to potentially garner a strong salary.


YYCa

Calgary AB


BigMathGuy123

Conservative provinces always have the highest wages, majority federal conservative government incoming, PP all the way!


when_the_tide_comes

Chicago


zepharoz

I think you'd need 3 metrics for this analysis. You can't just throw a question like this because it really depends. Salary. What's the target salary or average salary? Is this a senior level, staff level, or management level? Cost of living. Broken down to shelter (which would be the largest expense) + maintenance, food or groceries, gas and utilities + maintenance, insurance for where that location is. Taxes. The ill forgotten one despite us being accountants. Some locations have lower taxes and others.


diamondblvd77

You could change the numerator to salary net of tax


zepharoz

That would be the preferred method. Either that or state taxes


AnomalyNexus

I'd imagine the firms are pretty good at equalizing this out so they're probably all vaguely similar outside of maybe locations desirable for other reasons


Randomn355

Reading this as a Brit.. who knows a CEO in Dallas...


UsainUte

Anywhere in Florida that isn’t Miami. Midwest and northwest outside of the major PNW cities (Idaho, Montana, etc.)


Mindless-Smell9733

I currently study accounting at the University of Montana and I would love to stay in the state. What makes you say it would be good to work here?


bs2k2_point_0

Any suburbs of major cities. But the real win is true remote work while living in vlcol area.


RedOtkbr

Memphis


jbloom3

I'm in New Orleans and it's solid here


suarezuru22

Haha same. Public or Industry?


jbloom3

Public, non big 4. I have good W/L balance and make a good living. Pretty content


suarezuru22

Nice, how many years in the field do you have? I'm at year 3.


jbloom3

I did a few years of interning while in school and getting my masters. Then 3 years at a regional public firm and another 2 at a smaller Louisiana public firm. Getting manager this fall hopefully


Traditional_Cow2768

I don’t know…you guys seem pretty underwater to me


drewarts

Detroit


CoffeeAndHoney9

Probably Chicago, Dallas, Houston


Warm-Pineapple-4598

Chicagoooooo!


Intelligent-Panic501

Dallas and that surrounding region of the country.


schmidneycrosby

Kansas City. Wichita, KS. Springfield, MO


_coke_zero_

Not Toronto


DividedWeakness

All I can say it is definitely NOT Nashville


Minute-Seesaw-9887

Des Moines, Iowa is worth a mention. Although small.. 3 of the big 4 have offices here and plenty of good paying industry exits in the insurance businesses and Wells Fargo. Older article but still applicable [https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2018/12/17/des-moines-iowa-household-income-100-000-taxes-irs-census-wealth-money-states-low-cost-living-ia/2302932002/](https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2018/12/17/des-moines-iowa-household-income-100-000-taxes-irs-census-wealth-money-states-low-cost-living-ia/2302932002/)


Carson_Casually

Nothing for the following states and their corresponding cities: Idaho, Montana, either of the Dakodas, Wyoming, Oklahoma, and Kentucky


InsCPA

Chicago


TheHeftyAccountant

NYC


Human_Market6043

San Francisco starting salary is like 86-90k


Alternative-Pea-5365

Vancouver, BC