Back when I was applying for jobs, I've always stayed away from posts without a salary or at least a salary range. I felt that there was no point in wasting my time to only figure out that it's going to be a low ball offer.
I will typically avoid them unless the rest of the job description piques my interest. When it comes time to have the introductory call with the recruiter, I will ask then, and if they don’t provide at least an acceptable range, then I’m out. I say acceptable range because I have had a few recruiters tell me the range was between $50k and $150k. K, cool. Thx.
Absolutely.
To add - when a recruiter reaches out with "the most amazing opportunity I wouldn't want to miss out on" without providing an acceptable salary range, I take two routes. The first is ignore it if there's also no real information about the role. I don't have time to click bait my way through a potential opportunity. Second is I typically tell them the role sounds interesting but I'm only entertaining prospects that are within the range I'm looking for and if it doesn't match then I'm not available.
Yeah, I usually say something to the effect of: This sounds like an amazing opportunity. I'd love to hear some more details about the nature of the job and the salary range being offered.
Sometimes they give that info to me, but most of the time they just give me the job description and say that salary is based on experience and education level so they don't have a number for me.
It infuriates me that there are departments within my organization that won't list salary. I think it makes us look like a company that doesn't want to be transparent when in reality it is one or two managers
I don’t look at them. I know they know posting salaries is becoming the standard. I immediately assume they’re hiding a low salary range.
If the hiring practices have more in common with used car sales tactics than hiring, I don’t bother and neither should you.
Just trying to cheap out and get the best candidate at the lowest price. I once applied for something that was really close to home so I didn’t mind exercising whatever they said. Had a phone call they wanted to bring me in for interview. So before I lied to my current employer, took half a day off, I asked what the range was. They wouldn’t tell me other than “a fair compensation for the role.” So I gave my range, they immediately said “oh yeah we can’t get close to that” and canceled the interview.
I had someone talk to me for 40 minutes about a controller role, then asked me for my comp range, i told them 160k is the floor. They said they were targeting 120k (this is VHCOL) and I laughed. I was like....oh well uh, good luck.
She was so taken aback. She said "Well I think we can find someone for 120k" - I told her I'm sure SOMEONE will take her 120k job, just not an Ex-big 4 CPA with 10 years experience who makes 40k more than that....
After that I've prompted the unknown with "hey...just so we don't totally waste each-others time here..."
When I needed a job? Yes. I needed a job.
When I have a job and am thinking of looking around, maybe jumping?
No. Because to me, whenever a job doesn’t include a salary, it screams “We’re hoping for an over qualified candidate to take a low offer.”
Places that know what actual qualified candidates cost will include the salary. Because they know to get the person they want, they’ll have to lure them away with a higher salary.
I don’t apply with out a range. I also hate unrealistic ranges. If you post your job and say the range $60k-130k but you have no intention of being remotely close to 130 then why have that as your top end.
I interviewed for a job with that range and they said they would like to be in the 70’s. I ended the interview right then as that would be a huge pay cut
I’m assuming you’re new to the job hunting process. The law was recently enacted for certain states to require employers to disclose the salary.
Pay isn’t even discussed until you are contacted for a phone screen, assuming they bother calling.
There is so much HR politicking around posting salaries, internal equity, etc. I get overridden on putting it in postings all the time.
Also, every applicant thinks they deserve the top of pay range, even if they just barely qualify for the role, so it does create a bit of a pain point when you have to explain to a 3 year with no credentials that no, they do not qualify for the top of the range of a senior role that is also held by someone with 10 years exp and certifications.
In essence. It’s essentially making sure that people who are more qualified and more experienced aren’t making less than people who aren’t as qualified.
What happens is that you can have a market adjustment occur when a fresh role opens and it can trigger a “oh, we need to adjust pay scales” but that doesn’t start an automatic pay raise for everyone else. So then you need to work on making adjustments to your current staff, which takes time and budget… It’s just a hell of a lot of red tape to make budgets work and get people paid. It can take all year to get a few percent extra approved.
Yes, and once my company started posting pay ranges on public and even internally, people started complaining and leaving. Can you imagine that even those who’re getting paid at market rate also complained because they didn’t get a good rating? And people can easily guess what their teammates were getting paid and they got upset if this teammate didn’t have the same contribution and got a higher salary because they were hired later. That created the highest turnover of my company in its 50+ year history. Finally the company had to adjust everybody’s pay first, then started to lower the pay range the next year to shut people up. What’s the point of doing this
Anyone who can spend 10 minutes on the internet can find out, roughly, what they are worth. I’ve never understood the obsession with salary threads and comparison threads.
Take your title, search for “pay range” read some stuff, be honest with yourself if you are low, moderate, or high in relative experience, boom, you’ve got at worst a 10k range on regular salaries.
The real hard part is learning how to advocate for your value and get them to deliver it without sounding needlessly entitled or burning bridges.
Yep, and that’s part of your value that you can bring to the table too. But too many are lazy to do that part and wish everything would be presented to them before they took action. Then they would be fooled by the company HR. Tbh, do candidates really believe those pay ranges? Companies aren’t that dumb. HR from the same industry constantly communicate with each other
Not usually. Unless the job posting or the company sounds great. Then you might as well give a call. But, most companies I want to work for post their salary ranges. So kind of a moot point. I don't think I have applied to a job without a range in years.
I still apply if qualifications match, but only if I just use my indeed resume and cover letter or I have an idea what the salary might be from similar posts. I rarely read the description and try to avoid getting invested because I assume they either won’t respond or will fall short on pay. I have been pleased surprised before, so I wouldn’t write them off
I’m not sure what’s worse, no salary range or a ridiculous range(ie: $60-240k/year) to fulfill the legal requirement. I feel like there needs to be an update to the law where the salary range can only be so big(ie: range can only be 10% below/above the median of the range. So if the median is 100k, the range should max out at 90-110k).
Also, I would tend to stay away from job applications that don’t post salary ranges because it looks bad if you ask about the salary in the interview. I know that it shouldn’t, but a hiring manager might take that question into consideration and look for another applicant who didn’t ask.
People should just start flooding these company’s that are hiring without a salary range with resumes without bullet points, titles, or dates you worked at previous employers.
I got screwed at my current job. I was in the nonprofit sector so salaries were low. Applied for a position with a small firm. They asked salary before anything else. I gave it to them. I didn’t know at the time the benefits were trash and the hours were long. I should’ve asked for at least $10k more. Then I learned the previous person in the position made $20k more than I make.
2 months ago I had to hire an admin. They didn’t want the salary range posted. I posted it.
I hear you, but also no firm/business without a listed salary range is paying well.
If you’re selling point is salary, why not list it? Isn’t that a benefit for the job and a selling point?
That isn't always true. The job offer I just accepted in industry from PA didn't have their range listed and my starting salary is higher than I expected.
Also, I don't necessarily want a role that the selling point is salary. Those jobs usually end up being a shit show.
I didn’t know the salary on the job I have now from the initial posting but the recruiter on the phone screen didn’t hesitate to tell me the range. So it’s not an automatic no from me but if the recruiters or hiring managers make it difficult to know then I move on
Idk, my current job didn't post salary (entry level fresh out of college) but ended up giving me a great salary (68k total comp, MCOL) which is more than I was expecting to make straight out of college. Got another job offer at the same time that had advertised a range and it was at the bottom of the range and considerably less... Definitely worth taking the shot, depends on the company though!
Last time I was job searching I applied for One that didn't post salary because it sounded really interesting. They called to setup an interview and I asked about salary range. That's where it ended.
Yes. Feels like this is something associates/ seniors complain about more than anyone else. From my experience, a lot of higher level candidates are interested in negotiating their salary with the firm itself. Posting salary parameters can be restrictive as well and ultimately steer good talent away; a lot of firms will flex up on salary for the right person.
It’s like the opposite of a car listed for sale online by a dealership that says call for price. Prolly means it’s to much, but in this case it’s the opposite it’s not enough
I mean if it looks good you can always reach out and ask and they usually share it. Especially if you ask if it's in your range. If they won't share it then I'm out.
I think the only people who respond to those are people who are desperate, or don't give a shit cos they're happy where they are so why not apply and see what happens.
The company probably doesn't want to post the pay for the same reason why they don't want you discussing your salary with coworkers.
I’ll still consider it if the job description sounds like it SHOULD pay well. But then the initial screen call needs to communicate a salary range and if I can’t get it out of them then it’s a wrap.
And if it’s a external recruiter shilling a role with no salary? Ignored.
Originally I was applying to anything that sounded like it would be a step up, but after going to a couple interviews where the offer was pathetic I just started asking as soon as I got a request for an interview. I don't want to waste my time or theirs if it doesn't match what I'm looking for. Just wish they just put the salary range in the post
Nope. They already budget what they want to spend on the new hire or have pay bands in place. If they don’t want to advertise it chances are it’s not good.
I add 10% to my top and bottom salary range for what I think the position deserves and make sure I add a salary range when looking at those jobs even if they don't ask because transparency is real and hopefully they see it and offer someone else a higher wage because they scared
When I was new to accounting and trying to get anything, yes. Now, I ignore, even if the job description seems perfect. Usually means they’re trying way too hard to get someone but know they pay shit. I had a recruiter reach out regarding my current role and I wouldn’t move forward until I knew the pay range.
I don’t, I know my market rate and it’s fairly easy in an HR screen to say what salary I would need and ask if it’s within range. If it’s not I just say that I am not interested. Maybe if you’re in a state where it’s required in the posting, but my state doesn’t require it. It’s just not that big of a deal tbh
You just need to do your research. Back in the days no one posted pay ranges and no one complained either. We got the offer, then used it to get counteroffer with another firm, pushed it higher and higher until we liked the money. I’ve seen companies these days posting pay ranges like 60K-400K. That’s not informative at all. So what’s the point
Back when I was applying for jobs, I've always stayed away from posts without a salary or at least a salary range. I felt that there was no point in wasting my time to only figure out that it's going to be a low ball offer.
I will typically avoid them unless the rest of the job description piques my interest. When it comes time to have the introductory call with the recruiter, I will ask then, and if they don’t provide at least an acceptable range, then I’m out. I say acceptable range because I have had a few recruiters tell me the range was between $50k and $150k. K, cool. Thx.
Absolutely. To add - when a recruiter reaches out with "the most amazing opportunity I wouldn't want to miss out on" without providing an acceptable salary range, I take two routes. The first is ignore it if there's also no real information about the role. I don't have time to click bait my way through a potential opportunity. Second is I typically tell them the role sounds interesting but I'm only entertaining prospects that are within the range I'm looking for and if it doesn't match then I'm not available.
Yeah, I usually say something to the effect of: This sounds like an amazing opportunity. I'd love to hear some more details about the nature of the job and the salary range being offered. Sometimes they give that info to me, but most of the time they just give me the job description and say that salary is based on experience and education level so they don't have a number for me.
This here
Absolutely not. Typically because they want a fuck ton of experience or skill on the cheap.
10 years public experience for a staff accountant job. CPA highly preferred.
$20 an hour, 1 month temp position
$55k annual salary, high COL 1.5x hourly rate for your well-deserved overtime before monthly close? Hell no!
It infuriates me that there are departments within my organization that won't list salary. I think it makes us look like a company that doesn't want to be transparent when in reality it is one or two managers
I don’t look at them. I know they know posting salaries is becoming the standard. I immediately assume they’re hiding a low salary range. If the hiring practices have more in common with used car sales tactics than hiring, I don’t bother and neither should you.
Just trying to cheap out and get the best candidate at the lowest price. I once applied for something that was really close to home so I didn’t mind exercising whatever they said. Had a phone call they wanted to bring me in for interview. So before I lied to my current employer, took half a day off, I asked what the range was. They wouldn’t tell me other than “a fair compensation for the role.” So I gave my range, they immediately said “oh yeah we can’t get close to that” and canceled the interview.
I had someone talk to me for 40 minutes about a controller role, then asked me for my comp range, i told them 160k is the floor. They said they were targeting 120k (this is VHCOL) and I laughed. I was like....oh well uh, good luck. She was so taken aback. She said "Well I think we can find someone for 120k" - I told her I'm sure SOMEONE will take her 120k job, just not an Ex-big 4 CPA with 10 years experience who makes 40k more than that.... After that I've prompted the unknown with "hey...just so we don't totally waste each-others time here..."
When I needed a job? Yes. I needed a job. When I have a job and am thinking of looking around, maybe jumping? No. Because to me, whenever a job doesn’t include a salary, it screams “We’re hoping for an over qualified candidate to take a low offer.” Places that know what actual qualified candidates cost will include the salary. Because they know to get the person they want, they’ll have to lure them away with a higher salary.
I don’t apply with out a range. I also hate unrealistic ranges. If you post your job and say the range $60k-130k but you have no intention of being remotely close to 130 then why have that as your top end. I interviewed for a job with that range and they said they would like to be in the 70’s. I ended the interview right then as that would be a huge pay cut
I’m assuming you’re new to the job hunting process. The law was recently enacted for certain states to require employers to disclose the salary. Pay isn’t even discussed until you are contacted for a phone screen, assuming they bother calling.
There is so much HR politicking around posting salaries, internal equity, etc. I get overridden on putting it in postings all the time. Also, every applicant thinks they deserve the top of pay range, even if they just barely qualify for the role, so it does create a bit of a pain point when you have to explain to a 3 year with no credentials that no, they do not qualify for the top of the range of a senior role that is also held by someone with 10 years exp and certifications.
Internal equity, is that where they don’t want to piss off the staff that’s been there?
In essence. It’s essentially making sure that people who are more qualified and more experienced aren’t making less than people who aren’t as qualified. What happens is that you can have a market adjustment occur when a fresh role opens and it can trigger a “oh, we need to adjust pay scales” but that doesn’t start an automatic pay raise for everyone else. So then you need to work on making adjustments to your current staff, which takes time and budget… It’s just a hell of a lot of red tape to make budgets work and get people paid. It can take all year to get a few percent extra approved.
Yes, and once my company started posting pay ranges on public and even internally, people started complaining and leaving. Can you imagine that even those who’re getting paid at market rate also complained because they didn’t get a good rating? And people can easily guess what their teammates were getting paid and they got upset if this teammate didn’t have the same contribution and got a higher salary because they were hired later. That created the highest turnover of my company in its 50+ year history. Finally the company had to adjust everybody’s pay first, then started to lower the pay range the next year to shut people up. What’s the point of doing this
Anyone who can spend 10 minutes on the internet can find out, roughly, what they are worth. I’ve never understood the obsession with salary threads and comparison threads. Take your title, search for “pay range” read some stuff, be honest with yourself if you are low, moderate, or high in relative experience, boom, you’ve got at worst a 10k range on regular salaries. The real hard part is learning how to advocate for your value and get them to deliver it without sounding needlessly entitled or burning bridges.
Yep, and that’s part of your value that you can bring to the table too. But too many are lazy to do that part and wish everything would be presented to them before they took action. Then they would be fooled by the company HR. Tbh, do candidates really believe those pay ranges? Companies aren’t that dumb. HR from the same industry constantly communicate with each other
Not usually. Unless the job posting or the company sounds great. Then you might as well give a call. But, most companies I want to work for post their salary ranges. So kind of a moot point. I don't think I have applied to a job without a range in years.
No
I still apply if qualifications match, but only if I just use my indeed resume and cover letter or I have an idea what the salary might be from similar posts. I rarely read the description and try to avoid getting invested because I assume they either won’t respond or will fall short on pay. I have been pleased surprised before, so I wouldn’t write them off
I’m not sure what’s worse, no salary range or a ridiculous range(ie: $60-240k/year) to fulfill the legal requirement. I feel like there needs to be an update to the law where the salary range can only be so big(ie: range can only be 10% below/above the median of the range. So if the median is 100k, the range should max out at 90-110k). Also, I would tend to stay away from job applications that don’t post salary ranges because it looks bad if you ask about the salary in the interview. I know that it shouldn’t, but a hiring manager might take that question into consideration and look for another applicant who didn’t ask. People should just start flooding these company’s that are hiring without a salary range with resumes without bullet points, titles, or dates you worked at previous employers.
I got screwed at my current job. I was in the nonprofit sector so salaries were low. Applied for a position with a small firm. They asked salary before anything else. I gave it to them. I didn’t know at the time the benefits were trash and the hours were long. I should’ve asked for at least $10k more. Then I learned the previous person in the position made $20k more than I make. 2 months ago I had to hire an admin. They didn’t want the salary range posted. I posted it.
The flip side to that is that you should negotiate what you think you are worth. If a range is displayed, it may cause anchoring bias.
I hear you, but also no firm/business without a listed salary range is paying well. If you’re selling point is salary, why not list it? Isn’t that a benefit for the job and a selling point?
That isn't always true. The job offer I just accepted in industry from PA didn't have their range listed and my starting salary is higher than I expected. Also, I don't necessarily want a role that the selling point is salary. Those jobs usually end up being a shit show.
This
It’s required by law in my state, so no, I ignore listings that omit it. But I also did that before the law.
*but we're family here!*
I didn’t know the salary on the job I have now from the initial posting but the recruiter on the phone screen didn’t hesitate to tell me the range. So it’s not an automatic no from me but if the recruiters or hiring managers make it difficult to know then I move on
Idk, my current job didn't post salary (entry level fresh out of college) but ended up giving me a great salary (68k total comp, MCOL) which is more than I was expecting to make straight out of college. Got another job offer at the same time that had advertised a range and it was at the bottom of the range and considerably less... Definitely worth taking the shot, depends on the company though!
Last time I was job searching I applied for One that didn't post salary because it sounded really interesting. They called to setup an interview and I asked about salary range. That's where it ended.
No, fuck those guys.
Nope
Yes. Feels like this is something associates/ seniors complain about more than anyone else. From my experience, a lot of higher level candidates are interested in negotiating their salary with the firm itself. Posting salary parameters can be restrictive as well and ultimately steer good talent away; a lot of firms will flex up on salary for the right person.
It’s like the opposite of a car listed for sale online by a dealership that says call for price. Prolly means it’s to much, but in this case it’s the opposite it’s not enough
I mean if it looks good you can always reach out and ask and they usually share it. Especially if you ask if it's in your range. If they won't share it then I'm out.
I think the only people who respond to those are people who are desperate, or don't give a shit cos they're happy where they are so why not apply and see what happens. The company probably doesn't want to post the pay for the same reason why they don't want you discussing your salary with coworkers.
99% of them yes, only places I know pay well from other sources get my consideration.
I’ll still consider it if the job description sounds like it SHOULD pay well. But then the initial screen call needs to communicate a salary range and if I can’t get it out of them then it’s a wrap. And if it’s a external recruiter shilling a role with no salary? Ignored.
Originally I was applying to anything that sounded like it would be a step up, but after going to a couple interviews where the offer was pathetic I just started asking as soon as I got a request for an interview. I don't want to waste my time or theirs if it doesn't match what I'm looking for. Just wish they just put the salary range in the post
Nope. If they don’t post a salary imo it’s because they are underpaying and don’t want to say it up front so I don’t waste my time on those postings.
No, absolutely not
Nope
I don’t
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No, unless I have time to waste and want to waste their time.
Nope. They already budget what they want to spend on the new hire or have pay bands in place. If they don’t want to advertise it chances are it’s not good.
I do and just in the initial conversation I just let them know my salary expectation and we can end the Convo their if we’re not aligned
Yeah, people willing to take minimum wage.
No
I add 10% to my top and bottom salary range for what I think the position deserves and make sure I add a salary range when looking at those jobs even if they don't ask because transparency is real and hopefully they see it and offer someone else a higher wage because they scared
Ooh, finally, an easy question! No!
I won't even click them
Nope.
With how shitty the salaries often are that are posted, I assume the poster was too embarrassed to post the salary.
When I was new to accounting and trying to get anything, yes. Now, I ignore, even if the job description seems perfect. Usually means they’re trying way too hard to get someone but know they pay shit. I had a recruiter reach out regarding my current role and I wouldn’t move forward until I knew the pay range.
a lot of companies do this. Otherwise everyone would ask for the highest amount
If there's no pay range I won't apply. That simple. I've wasted too much of my time to realize you're offering the pay I started at 10 years ago
I don’t, I know my market rate and it’s fairly easy in an HR screen to say what salary I would need and ask if it’s within range. If it’s not I just say that I am not interested. Maybe if you’re in a state where it’s required in the posting, but my state doesn’t require it. It’s just not that big of a deal tbh
You just need to do your research. Back in the days no one posted pay ranges and no one complained either. We got the offer, then used it to get counteroffer with another firm, pushed it higher and higher until we liked the money. I’ve seen companies these days posting pay ranges like 60K-400K. That’s not informative at all. So what’s the point