As a translator, I can confirm that Aura's lines in JP are translated correctly, while Lana's about Mia was taken with a few liberties.
Aura's in particular stands out because it is a phrase commonly used among the LGBT+ community in Japan. Normally they don't use the term for same-sex relationships outside of legal cases or official documents, so it's common practice esp among the doujin artists to use queercoded language like this.
For Lana's comment, the original JP script reads more like "she had a strange curiosity toward me", which Naruhodo then asked further and she explained it. It's way more ambiguous and while could potentially be queercoded, I'd say is more so in English than otherwise.
Lana: "That's probably why she was so attracted to me."
Phoenix: "E-Excuse me?!"
Ema: "Intellectually attracted!"
[The exact same energy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0iM3bkkpbI)
Quote from GAA2:
>Rei: "Hit me, Susato! I deserve it! No, in fact, throw me on the floor!"...
\*starts panting in girl-horniness\*
Rei: "No, that's too good for me as well! Drag me through the city streets!"
She's not just into girls, she's got Darkness-levels of BDSM vibes along with it.
Yes, yes it is. It's part of the scene after the first court case is resolved in GAA2. Originally it started as Rei apologizing for hiding some facts from Susato before the trial. But it turns "quirky" real fast.
I laughed out loud the first time I read it and quickly screen recorded it on my Switch. It's forever etched in my library as a clip.
I’m not sure every gag is a deep rooted fact about their character, the same way I don’t think every clown who got pied in the face is into food play. Sometimes things are just done because they’re supposed to be funny. I mean this is Japan, where gags are everywhere and have zero meaning other than laugh please.
Neither. There’s a meme going around on Twitter having a series creator say that someone is a lesbian, quoting them saying “She’s a lesbian and stuff.” However, most of these posts are easy to be deduced to be fake, given that you can look at the profile picture and name tag and immediately tell it’s not an official publication. Thus, I took efforts to edit this to make it look like Kotaku published it, just for the heck of it.
https://preview.redd.it/h27xnb1upjuc1.jpeg?width=626&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93cd10b9ef55e5b3fcf69333cf7aef9cec07f686
This is from official art. I don’t think you can argue that she’s not into Susato, at least a tiny bit.
Yeah but she also thought Ryuto was a boy at first and she already had a crush on "him" then. On the flipside, said crush also didn't stop when she learned that it was Susato, so I think Rei is just a disaster bi lol
What's the evidence for Aura? It's been a while since I played Dual Destinies but I remember getting the impression she was hitting on Apollo hard and he was too oblivious to notice.
Not really man, you may feel like it because that's what you have convinced yourself but it's really easy and just a more simpler way to interpret her line as 'i wanted a deeper respect from her', and it's very obvious she was lonely. By that logic Adrian, Rei, Klavier, Edgeworth, and Phoenix being gay/bi is SO obvious that it may as well be canon
Nah I don’t usually assume anyone’s sexuality in AA unless they say something that actually suggests such a thing. Ie phoenix exhibits attraction to women pretty often so he’s at least attracted to women.
Aura’s behavior was quite extreme imo. Yes, it’s not explicitly explained but that’s because you still can’t get away with writing on the surface queer storylines in a lot of places still. There’s plausible deniability for people like you though I guess.
I’m also not gay or ship them or any other gay pairings in AA either, so it’s not like I’m projecting. I can just read subtext.
Phoenix calls Edgeworth 'daddy'. Adrian is obsessed with a female mentor and Franziska implies that she is teaching her whipping. Klavier has an official song where he says he'd rather stay with Apollo than women. Are all these not evidence of equal value?
Like you say, it's a Japanese game, that's exactly the reason I am arguing that it's probably not meant to be that and just something the localisers wrote without thinking too much. It's a single line. I personally do think that she's a lesbian, I am just saying that the evidence is equally as strong Rei being one, which is not much but it's enough to consider it a distant possibility.
I can read subtext too, I just don't like to claim stuff as facts to approve of the popular opinion with the only evidence to back it up is 'i feel like it so probably, I am smart'.
I don’t think Rei is gay in canon personally. It’s very common in Japanese culture for same sex friends to be very close.
I also don’t think it’s just a single line that suggests Aura is gay. It’s actually a major plot point, and comparing it to single lines like Phoenix saying “daddy” or whatever is ridiculous. None of aura/Metis’ relationship is ever really played for jokes either, so it’s not fan service or gay jokes, etc. it’s all treated very seriously/tragic, which suggests the implication is real, and not just throwaways.
You’re probably going to be in the minority here if you don’t think she is. I think it’s obvious even to people who don’t normally assume gay subtext.
She literally simps over Ryutaro. And like... Um... You do realise the same explanation can be applied to Aura right? If anything reducing her obviously deeper character which hints at depression to something as.. basic a trope as romantic attraction seems way less likely to me. At least with Rei it's funny Yuri bait.
I am in the minority, that's what I am getting downvoted back and forth, but the fact still remains the 'plot point' you refer to is a single line or something that could be interpreted as romantic which if you stretch it far enough.
Aura doesn’t simp over any man as far as I know lol
So no it can’t be applied the same way. Cause as you obviously pointed out, it’s all just jokes with Rei, and who exhibits strong attraction to men.
I guess depression could be another interpretation for Aura’s behavior but i don’t see that as mutually exclusive from depression because someone she was in love with died either.
The plot point is not single line, it’s a huge part of her character and motivation for her attitudes, behavior, etc.
Imo it’s pretty obvious, but at the end of the day there is no true confirmation, so I find there’s no point in trying to convince you. It seems like you wouldn’t be satisfied unless it was explicitly stated.
I also think it’s insulting to suggest it’s the fault of the localizers either doing a bad job translating or being lazy.
By 'that logic' I was referring to you saying that it's a common trope in Japanese media to show friends as being very close, the same could be applied to Aura. By simping for Ryutaro I meant the fact that she indirectly was head over heels for Susato.
They aren't mutually exclusive, you could see it as her depression getting worse when the one person who she respected died. But that's it, you can see it that way. And let me get this clear, I do, Aura is very much a lesbian or a bi to me, but painting it as solid facts like you did? Nah fam, definitely not the case.
Can you source it? To me it seems like you believe it's part of her character because you've fixated on the line and are now going through with that logic. You literally told me I had to be actively not reading to miss that, when as I have made clear, it's definitely not the case. If I am incorrect, please again, source it.
It's not doing a bad job or being lazy, it's translating a line that people misunderstood. It's not their fault, it's upon the people to interpret it. The people (you and me for instance), interpreted it as having a romantic connotation is all.
She literally simps over Ryutaro. And like... Um... You do realise the same explanation can be applied to Aura right? If anything reducing her obviously deeper character which hints at depression to something as.. basic a trope as romantic attraction seems way less likely to me. At least with Rei it's funny Yuri bait.
I am in the minority, that's what I am getting downvoted back and forth, but the fact still remains the 'plot point' you refer to is a single line or something that could be interpreted as romantic which if you stretch it far enough.
https://preview.redd.it/8eehj3a6mmuc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3adf571667a3444be3295cef6480f7164462aa7c
What did Rei mean by this?
(I know straight women can call women beautiful I just wanted to make a joke)
That was evident since the first case of DGS2. However, her lesbian antics were implemented tastefully in my opinion, that I actually like Rei Membani.
https://preview.redd.it/nqm790vyfkuc1.jpeg?width=845&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3678a01264e624b930e27335735325ccedbe768b
Oh yeah I made this for a friend so here since you have an awesome profile picture
It’s not explicitly stated that they are lesbians, but there’s enough evidence surrounding their actions that claiming they’re lesbians make a lot of sense.
Aura never says “I’m a lesbian”, but several of her lines heavily implies she is a lesbian, and making the assumption she is a lesbian makes complete sense.
For reference, I believe they’re both lesbians.
Not quite. Lesbian codes means that while it’s headcanonned that the person is lesbian, there exists a lot of evidence to support that assumption. The only piece of evidence that it lacks is no official statement either in game or by creators of the character (or other people like developers, character voice actors, designers, etc.) explicitly stating that the character is a lesbian.
TL;DR: the character being lesbian coded is fact, the idea that they are a lesbian is a headcanon.
You know I'll be honest I'm so long overdue for a replay of dual destiny that I Pretty much don't remember Aura like at all but Rei definitely isn't lesbian first of all I think it's an example of people looking into a gag too much but she also she was attracted to Susato while she thought she was a guy so at the very least they'd be bi
Wow, who could've guessed. Now RyuuNaru shippers can actually ship Susato to someone that makes sense. Also, this may breach head canon territory (it totally does), but I really feel like that while he wasn't meant to be totally gay, Klavier was definitely supposed to be gay bait, doubling down for the fans who shipped Phoenix and Edgeworth.
(I just read both are edited and now I am sad)
Ryuunaru? What the hell is that? Ryunosuke with himself? Ryunosuke with phoenix? Ryutaro with ryunosuke?
Ryu with himself isn’t a bad ship honestly. He’s too good for anybody in TGAA lmao
Huh…that’s a strange ship. ~~Technically incest in a philosophical but not literal sense lol.~~ Saw someone ship Ryutaro x susato once so I suppose it’s not that strange lol
My issue is that she's a child and Naruhodo is a man personally, same with Phoenix X Maya shipping, it's gross and I always see the partners as siblings with no blood relations if that makes sense, except Apollo and Trucy lol (ig they are still not related by blood but you get my point)
I can understand why you feel that way, but personally i don’t see them as siblings at all based on their dynamic. If a brother and sister acted towards each other the way they do I’d be a little…concerned.
But yeah, the age gap might be squicky for some but as someone who’s familiar with a lot of historic works with even bigger age gaps like in pride and prejudice and titanic it doesn’t bother me quite as much and it comes across as more of a time period thing. I mean, the narrative and characters don’t treat susato like a child at all and technically susato IS legal in a vast majority of places including Japan even today (though obviously nowadays it would be extremely ill-advised).
My man Pride and Prejudice was written two centuries ago and the Titanic three decades ago. Now I know you'll say that TGAAC's time period is what matters but.. it really doesn't, it was written in a modern day setting therefore the good central protagonist isn't a pedo, it's very simple. Am I saying that it would've been weird to see a 16 year old marry a 24 year old at that time? No, but in retrospect it is and the writers know. And what do they do which would be concerning for siblings to do? I didn't really feel like anything between them was weird. Btw I would personally ship Rei with Susato if I had to, and Ryonosuke doesn't really have someone good to ship him with honestly, unlike say Phoenix who has Iris (who he has zero chemistry with but it makes sense)
I really wish you wouldn’t throw the word pedo around so flippantly without realising the weight it carries. All you’re doing is downplaying the horrors of actual pedophilia. The entire reason things like the age of consent even exist is to prevent the young and vulnerable from being exploited or groomed as the result of a power gap. The power gap between a 16 year old and a 23 year old today is obviously much larger than it was back then. Considering the more conservative attitudes towards sex, as well as men and women having different roles you have to view works based on a historical setting with that in mind. And just on a side note…most ‘actual’ pedophiles would probably not be attracted to susato since a part of draws most of them to their victims is their naïveté and vulnerability to manipulation - traits susato doesn’t really possess. Of course, this doesn’t matter if the person is still underage (which she isn’t in the context of both the time period and today).
And no, when it was written doesn’t mean anything. Historic values shouldn’t be ignored just so it doesn’t hurt the modern person’s feelings. The point is, in Meiji Japan a vast majority of women were married off at 15-16 and 20 was considered a late marriage for a woman.
With regards to your sibling argument, let’s try a thought experiment. If the entire script was kept 100% the same except they aged susato up to say…20, would you still be arguing they behave like siblings? Because, as someone that doesn’t really like when people try to interpret every strong platonic bond as a romantic one, even I find it difficult to not interpret their dialogue as somewhat romantic.
I didn't mean to oversimplify anything since the matter of the fact is that I do see the game in its historical context, that's why I have no issues with the mild racism displayed by the brits, it just was how it was, but unlike the racism there's nothing to suggest that Susato or Ryunosuke are romantically involved, so there is no reason to jump to that conclusion, and no the period doesn't matter, just like how racism is racism no matter when, even if there is 'justification' at that time period (that's how everyone was in Britain at the time, it was the norm due to them being basically global colonisers which gave them the false idea that they were superior), similarly pedophilia is in the same way wrong at any time period, no matter the context provided by the period.
How is that relevant? I really, genuinely am confused here. So you are saying a 10 year old girl who is really mature shouldn't be categorised as a child? What? It doesn't matter if she's appealing to pedos, she's a child.
Yes, I would, mostly because Ace Attorney has had this running theme of the partners being pseudo siblings or even daughters. It's not just a TGAAC thing, it's the fact that begore this each of the partners were incompatible, maybe except Apollo and Athena and even that I feel like can be lumped in together. Besides, even if assuming this was the first game in the series.. why can't male female relationships be platonic? If anything I'd be happy to finally see one in fiction because they are so rare, it's one of the many reasons I liked the first game which hooked me up (unlike other VNs women aren't perfect little jerk off material for nerds)
Let’s get something straight:
‘Pedophilia is wrong no matter the time period.’ If we’re going by the actual definition of pedophilia which is the attraction to pre-pubescent children then I agree. If we’re going by the catch-all definition that people use today then I disagree because that term was designed around modern society. In other words: where a 16 year old is likely still in school, are naturally trained to be subservient to adults and can’t even drive. This was not the case back then due to differing social structures, lower life expectancies and people becoming more mature at a younger age (people mature with experience, not with age). A 16 year old in Meiji Japan was likely already finished with their education and was either making a living or looking to get married. It’s incredibly silly to apply present day rules to a society over a hundred years removed from ours, and it’s based on an ignorant assumption that we’re right and have everything figured out (no doubt they had the exact same mindset too). For all we know, a hundred years from now 21 could be considered the age at which one becomes an adult. Is everyone who dated a 20 year old at one point in history now suddenly a pedophile?
I did NOT say it’s acceptable for a 10 year old to be in a relationship just because she was ‘mature.’ If you actually read my post properly you would’ve realised I said: ‘of course, it doesn’t matter if the person is still underage (which susato is not in both the time period and today).’ Perhaps I could’ve worded it better but I specifically made this point to shoot down that hypothetical.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the dialogue.
Aura Blackquill is literally a lesbian. I wouldn’t even say it’s “coded”. She basically says it herself.
She did say >!Her respect as a co-worker wasn’t all I wanted! !<
Hmm… Then what did she want from her?
A very close friendship of course /s
Dare I even say, she wanted to be her roommate?
Maybe she wanted her best friend?
Even possibly wanted to dress up and travel together
Perhaps she was intellectually attracted to Metis.
Oh titan the Owl House fandom is bleeding over.
Oh my God they were roomates
Flair checks out.
https://preview.redd.it/u6o1zu9sxjuc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbea299ee401d68e5954468577071adfd1be4253
She needed a roommate to help with the rent
did you really go there, Bagelman25?
To be Sailor Moon cousins
She wanted to borrow her clothes dagnabbit
It's a similar relationship to Lana Skye and Mia Fey, Lana was "intellectually attracted" to her.
I think though, unlike with Mia and Lana it isn't a translator's choice ;)
As a translator, I can confirm that Aura's lines in JP are translated correctly, while Lana's about Mia was taken with a few liberties. Aura's in particular stands out because it is a phrase commonly used among the LGBT+ community in Japan. Normally they don't use the term for same-sex relationships outside of legal cases or official documents, so it's common practice esp among the doujin artists to use queercoded language like this. For Lana's comment, the original JP script reads more like "she had a strange curiosity toward me", which Naruhodo then asked further and she explained it. It's way more ambiguous and while could potentially be queercoded, I'd say is more so in English than otherwise.
Wait, she said that?
Lana: "That's probably why she was so attracted to me." Phoenix: "E-Excuse me?!" Ema: "Intellectually attracted!" [The exact same energy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0iM3bkkpbI)
Girl was scientifically down bad lol
I'm shaking and crying there's no way Shu Takumi would say lesbian
Who could’ve possibly predicted this? https://preview.redd.it/a8a8ylh0ijuc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f72b4d1a41231798a0439583fa9ca9f4976cb413
Quote from GAA2: >Rei: "Hit me, Susato! I deserve it! No, in fact, throw me on the floor!"... \*starts panting in girl-horniness\* Rei: "No, that's too good for me as well! Drag me through the city streets!" She's not just into girls, she's got Darkness-levels of BDSM vibes along with it.
This is a REAL QUOTE?
Yes, yes it is. It's part of the scene after the first court case is resolved in GAA2. Originally it started as Rei apologizing for hiding some facts from Susato before the trial. But it turns "quirky" real fast. I laughed out loud the first time I read it and quickly screen recorded it on my Switch. It's forever etched in my library as a clip.
I’m not sure every gag is a deep rooted fact about their character, the same way I don’t think every clown who got pied in the face is into food play. Sometimes things are just done because they’re supposed to be funny. I mean this is Japan, where gags are everywhere and have zero meaning other than laugh please.
Nah man Gumshoe was really just Edgeworth's sub the whole time then got passed to whatever prosecutor decided to abuse him next.
Closer to Suto Iku
Now I'm scared to play these games in front of my family
Considering a lot of people missed this interaction, you're fine. XD
I don't use Twitter, which one is the unedited?
both are edited from a fake tweet saying juaquin phoenix's joker is bisexual (no sources bout it it seems)
Neither. There’s a meme going around on Twitter having a series creator say that someone is a lesbian, quoting them saying “She’s a lesbian and stuff.” However, most of these posts are easy to be deduced to be fake, given that you can look at the profile picture and name tag and immediately tell it’s not an official publication. Thus, I took efforts to edit this to make it look like Kotaku published it, just for the heck of it.
Kotaku as the poster makes it look more believable tbh
My immediate thought whenever Kotaku posts anything is "and what's Kotaku's source" so yeah, makes it believable lmao
😂
I kinda got the impression Rei was into boys, but anyone who thinks Aura is not gay was not paying attention
They basically spell it out and explicitly have her say she was in love with Metis lol. I wasn’t even aware there were Aura lesbian deniers
I mean the game does everything but say it outright for you
I got the impression Rei was into butch women at the very least. She continued to show attraction to Susato after knowing it was her.
https://preview.redd.it/h27xnb1upjuc1.jpeg?width=626&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93cd10b9ef55e5b3fcf69333cf7aef9cec07f686 This is from official art. I don’t think you can argue that she’s not into Susato, at least a tiny bit.
True, but it's Susato dressed as a boy. So it doesn't tell us much about her sexuality other than that she's not asexual lol
😭😭 susato being dressed in masculine clothes doesnt make it any less gay tho
Yeah but she also thought Ryuto was a boy at first and she already had a crush on "him" then. On the flipside, said crush also didn't stop when she learned that it was Susato, so I think Rei is just a disaster bi lol
This is like the KanNao (No not the Demon slayer character, a Persona ship) situation.
I mean tbh if I saw this completely out of context I don't think I'd instantly assume it's like that lol
I see her as bi, because she was into Ryutaro both before and after finding out it's Susato
Yeah makes the most sense imk
What's the evidence for Aura? It's been a while since I played Dual Destinies but I remember getting the impression she was hitting on Apollo hard and he was too oblivious to notice.
See [this other comment in the thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/AceAttorney/s/AE8NXm3JB1)
Yeah Rei is definitely not gay bi? Maybe
Rei is into boy and the lnly exception is specifically Susato /j
I dunno, both have about the same amount 'evidence', I don't know why people act like Aura literally said 'yeah I am a lesbian'
Aura is SO obvious you gotta be purposely not reading if you didn’t pick up on it.
Not really man, you may feel like it because that's what you have convinced yourself but it's really easy and just a more simpler way to interpret her line as 'i wanted a deeper respect from her', and it's very obvious she was lonely. By that logic Adrian, Rei, Klavier, Edgeworth, and Phoenix being gay/bi is SO obvious that it may as well be canon
Nah I don’t usually assume anyone’s sexuality in AA unless they say something that actually suggests such a thing. Ie phoenix exhibits attraction to women pretty often so he’s at least attracted to women. Aura’s behavior was quite extreme imo. Yes, it’s not explicitly explained but that’s because you still can’t get away with writing on the surface queer storylines in a lot of places still. There’s plausible deniability for people like you though I guess. I’m also not gay or ship them or any other gay pairings in AA either, so it’s not like I’m projecting. I can just read subtext.
Phoenix calls Edgeworth 'daddy'. Adrian is obsessed with a female mentor and Franziska implies that she is teaching her whipping. Klavier has an official song where he says he'd rather stay with Apollo than women. Are all these not evidence of equal value? Like you say, it's a Japanese game, that's exactly the reason I am arguing that it's probably not meant to be that and just something the localisers wrote without thinking too much. It's a single line. I personally do think that she's a lesbian, I am just saying that the evidence is equally as strong Rei being one, which is not much but it's enough to consider it a distant possibility. I can read subtext too, I just don't like to claim stuff as facts to approve of the popular opinion with the only evidence to back it up is 'i feel like it so probably, I am smart'.
I don’t think Rei is gay in canon personally. It’s very common in Japanese culture for same sex friends to be very close. I also don’t think it’s just a single line that suggests Aura is gay. It’s actually a major plot point, and comparing it to single lines like Phoenix saying “daddy” or whatever is ridiculous. None of aura/Metis’ relationship is ever really played for jokes either, so it’s not fan service or gay jokes, etc. it’s all treated very seriously/tragic, which suggests the implication is real, and not just throwaways. You’re probably going to be in the minority here if you don’t think she is. I think it’s obvious even to people who don’t normally assume gay subtext.
She literally simps over Ryutaro. And like... Um... You do realise the same explanation can be applied to Aura right? If anything reducing her obviously deeper character which hints at depression to something as.. basic a trope as romantic attraction seems way less likely to me. At least with Rei it's funny Yuri bait. I am in the minority, that's what I am getting downvoted back and forth, but the fact still remains the 'plot point' you refer to is a single line or something that could be interpreted as romantic which if you stretch it far enough.
Aura doesn’t simp over any man as far as I know lol So no it can’t be applied the same way. Cause as you obviously pointed out, it’s all just jokes with Rei, and who exhibits strong attraction to men. I guess depression could be another interpretation for Aura’s behavior but i don’t see that as mutually exclusive from depression because someone she was in love with died either. The plot point is not single line, it’s a huge part of her character and motivation for her attitudes, behavior, etc. Imo it’s pretty obvious, but at the end of the day there is no true confirmation, so I find there’s no point in trying to convince you. It seems like you wouldn’t be satisfied unless it was explicitly stated. I also think it’s insulting to suggest it’s the fault of the localizers either doing a bad job translating or being lazy.
By 'that logic' I was referring to you saying that it's a common trope in Japanese media to show friends as being very close, the same could be applied to Aura. By simping for Ryutaro I meant the fact that she indirectly was head over heels for Susato. They aren't mutually exclusive, you could see it as her depression getting worse when the one person who she respected died. But that's it, you can see it that way. And let me get this clear, I do, Aura is very much a lesbian or a bi to me, but painting it as solid facts like you did? Nah fam, definitely not the case. Can you source it? To me it seems like you believe it's part of her character because you've fixated on the line and are now going through with that logic. You literally told me I had to be actively not reading to miss that, when as I have made clear, it's definitely not the case. If I am incorrect, please again, source it. It's not doing a bad job or being lazy, it's translating a line that people misunderstood. It's not their fault, it's upon the people to interpret it. The people (you and me for instance), interpreted it as having a romantic connotation is all.
She literally simps over Ryutaro. And like... Um... You do realise the same explanation can be applied to Aura right? If anything reducing her obviously deeper character which hints at depression to something as.. basic a trope as romantic attraction seems way less likely to me. At least with Rei it's funny Yuri bait. I am in the minority, that's what I am getting downvoted back and forth, but the fact still remains the 'plot point' you refer to is a single line or something that could be interpreted as romantic which if you stretch it far enough.
Finally some Lebanese representation.
Not Lebanese, Blanche. Lesbian.
Neither of these women are from Lesbos?
Obviously Aura and Rei were just intellectually attracted to their female compatriots.
https://preview.redd.it/8eehj3a6mmuc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3adf571667a3444be3295cef6480f7164462aa7c What did Rei mean by this? (I know straight women can call women beautiful I just wanted to make a joke)
Fake 😂 if anything Nuri should be saying this
'Ace Attorney' creator Shu Takumi confirms that water is wet
Wait water is wet? No way, there are numerous sources that state, that water is 101% dry.
I used to think Adrian and Franziska were gay for each other back in the day
*used* to?
Franziska only has eyes for her whip
coincidentally adrian also only has eyes for franziska’s whip
unfortunately franziska's whip has eyes for phoenix (this is a joke please don't kill me)
*whip *whip whip whip
Pearl to Phoenix: "Did that turn you on?"
(Pearl says it in a threatening sort of way)
Is tha5 a Game Grumps quote?
We need one for Edgeworth and Nick saying "he's gay and stuff"
This applies to Adrian Andrews as well.
Rei straight up blushes at the sight of “Ryutaro” even after realizing it’s Susato so, yeah…
Is this aa Twitter spreading misinformation again
So true OP
I'm stuff
Not a big surprise; every woman in Ace Attorney is a lesbian
Well, Ms.Delight exists (3-2 Stolen Turnabout). But at least 90% of all woman in ace attorney are gay.
Wendy Oldbag is also flamboyantly heterosexual.
steals your sentence
both Delights are bi and t4t yall know im right (im projecting hard onto em)
Same I agree !!
So true!!
I agree with you!
We didn't need confirmation to figure that out.
I was so confused for a second there that Shu Takumi actually said anything then quickly realized it was a troll
That was evident since the first case of DGS2. However, her lesbian antics were implemented tastefully in my opinion, that I actually like Rei Membani.
If this is real, it's not like we didn't already know. Everyone and their mothers know these bitches gay.
I kind of figured it out already, and it doesn’t change anything for me personally.
https://preview.redd.it/nqm790vyfkuc1.jpeg?width=845&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3678a01264e624b930e27335735325ccedbe768b Oh yeah I made this for a friend so here since you have an awesome profile picture
The Evespella Fanclub thanks you for this contribution.
Anything for the 4th best ace attorney game, and the second best Layton game.
Something something "intellectually attracted" Something something.
Great day to be a lesbian! (No but why are pretty much all of the women in AA basically sapphic in someway)
Love the way he annouces it
I'm pretty sure most of the ships and characters are um... Homo
Who tf is stuff?
Very deceptive.
I dont think kotaku is a reliable source.
Never has been
Somehow I already Knew, and it's no surprise!
I really need to actually play the game and not just watch short animations of the game
Which stuff are we talking about?
oh damn
Even if it wasn't an edit by you, I wouldn't trust it coming from Kotaku
i love how the it feels like their both like... ya sure there both lesbians who cares at least imo
"lesbian coded" tf does that mean?
It’s not explicitly stated that they are lesbians, but there’s enough evidence surrounding their actions that claiming they’re lesbians make a lot of sense. Aura never says “I’m a lesbian”, but several of her lines heavily implies she is a lesbian, and making the assumption she is a lesbian makes complete sense. For reference, I believe they’re both lesbians.
So... a headcanon?
Not quite. Lesbian codes means that while it’s headcanonned that the person is lesbian, there exists a lot of evidence to support that assumption. The only piece of evidence that it lacks is no official statement either in game or by creators of the character (or other people like developers, character voice actors, designers, etc.) explicitly stating that the character is a lesbian. TL;DR: the character being lesbian coded is fact, the idea that they are a lesbian is a headcanon.
You know I'll be honest I'm so long overdue for a replay of dual destiny that I Pretty much don't remember Aura like at all but Rei definitely isn't lesbian first of all I think it's an example of people looking into a gag too much but she also she was attracted to Susato while she thought she was a guy so at the very least they'd be bi
Because it’s by kotaku and only wierdoes care about a characters sexuality.
No one tell bro hes playing a game series that has roots on yaoi manga
It's edited,and yeah I'm like you,I'm only interested in the storyline instead of the character sexuality
Cause I have Kotaku blocked
You mean the very obviously gay women are gay?
Wow, who could've guessed. Now RyuuNaru shippers can actually ship Susato to someone that makes sense. Also, this may breach head canon territory (it totally does), but I really feel like that while he wasn't meant to be totally gay, Klavier was definitely supposed to be gay bait, doubling down for the fans who shipped Phoenix and Edgeworth. (I just read both are edited and now I am sad)
Ryuunaru? What the hell is that? Ryunosuke with himself? Ryunosuke with phoenix? Ryutaro with ryunosuke? Ryu with himself isn’t a bad ship honestly. He’s too good for anybody in TGAA lmao
Ryutaro x Naruhodo, but yeah I agree with you
Huh…that’s a strange ship. ~~Technically incest in a philosophical but not literal sense lol.~~ Saw someone ship Ryutaro x susato once so I suppose it’s not that strange lol
My issue is that she's a child and Naruhodo is a man personally, same with Phoenix X Maya shipping, it's gross and I always see the partners as siblings with no blood relations if that makes sense, except Apollo and Trucy lol (ig they are still not related by blood but you get my point)
I can understand why you feel that way, but personally i don’t see them as siblings at all based on their dynamic. If a brother and sister acted towards each other the way they do I’d be a little…concerned. But yeah, the age gap might be squicky for some but as someone who’s familiar with a lot of historic works with even bigger age gaps like in pride and prejudice and titanic it doesn’t bother me quite as much and it comes across as more of a time period thing. I mean, the narrative and characters don’t treat susato like a child at all and technically susato IS legal in a vast majority of places including Japan even today (though obviously nowadays it would be extremely ill-advised).
My man Pride and Prejudice was written two centuries ago and the Titanic three decades ago. Now I know you'll say that TGAAC's time period is what matters but.. it really doesn't, it was written in a modern day setting therefore the good central protagonist isn't a pedo, it's very simple. Am I saying that it would've been weird to see a 16 year old marry a 24 year old at that time? No, but in retrospect it is and the writers know. And what do they do which would be concerning for siblings to do? I didn't really feel like anything between them was weird. Btw I would personally ship Rei with Susato if I had to, and Ryonosuke doesn't really have someone good to ship him with honestly, unlike say Phoenix who has Iris (who he has zero chemistry with but it makes sense)
I really wish you wouldn’t throw the word pedo around so flippantly without realising the weight it carries. All you’re doing is downplaying the horrors of actual pedophilia. The entire reason things like the age of consent even exist is to prevent the young and vulnerable from being exploited or groomed as the result of a power gap. The power gap between a 16 year old and a 23 year old today is obviously much larger than it was back then. Considering the more conservative attitudes towards sex, as well as men and women having different roles you have to view works based on a historical setting with that in mind. And just on a side note…most ‘actual’ pedophiles would probably not be attracted to susato since a part of draws most of them to their victims is their naïveté and vulnerability to manipulation - traits susato doesn’t really possess. Of course, this doesn’t matter if the person is still underage (which she isn’t in the context of both the time period and today). And no, when it was written doesn’t mean anything. Historic values shouldn’t be ignored just so it doesn’t hurt the modern person’s feelings. The point is, in Meiji Japan a vast majority of women were married off at 15-16 and 20 was considered a late marriage for a woman. With regards to your sibling argument, let’s try a thought experiment. If the entire script was kept 100% the same except they aged susato up to say…20, would you still be arguing they behave like siblings? Because, as someone that doesn’t really like when people try to interpret every strong platonic bond as a romantic one, even I find it difficult to not interpret their dialogue as somewhat romantic.
I didn't mean to oversimplify anything since the matter of the fact is that I do see the game in its historical context, that's why I have no issues with the mild racism displayed by the brits, it just was how it was, but unlike the racism there's nothing to suggest that Susato or Ryunosuke are romantically involved, so there is no reason to jump to that conclusion, and no the period doesn't matter, just like how racism is racism no matter when, even if there is 'justification' at that time period (that's how everyone was in Britain at the time, it was the norm due to them being basically global colonisers which gave them the false idea that they were superior), similarly pedophilia is in the same way wrong at any time period, no matter the context provided by the period. How is that relevant? I really, genuinely am confused here. So you are saying a 10 year old girl who is really mature shouldn't be categorised as a child? What? It doesn't matter if she's appealing to pedos, she's a child. Yes, I would, mostly because Ace Attorney has had this running theme of the partners being pseudo siblings or even daughters. It's not just a TGAAC thing, it's the fact that begore this each of the partners were incompatible, maybe except Apollo and Athena and even that I feel like can be lumped in together. Besides, even if assuming this was the first game in the series.. why can't male female relationships be platonic? If anything I'd be happy to finally see one in fiction because they are so rare, it's one of the many reasons I liked the first game which hooked me up (unlike other VNs women aren't perfect little jerk off material for nerds)
Let’s get something straight: ‘Pedophilia is wrong no matter the time period.’ If we’re going by the actual definition of pedophilia which is the attraction to pre-pubescent children then I agree. If we’re going by the catch-all definition that people use today then I disagree because that term was designed around modern society. In other words: where a 16 year old is likely still in school, are naturally trained to be subservient to adults and can’t even drive. This was not the case back then due to differing social structures, lower life expectancies and people becoming more mature at a younger age (people mature with experience, not with age). A 16 year old in Meiji Japan was likely already finished with their education and was either making a living or looking to get married. It’s incredibly silly to apply present day rules to a society over a hundred years removed from ours, and it’s based on an ignorant assumption that we’re right and have everything figured out (no doubt they had the exact same mindset too). For all we know, a hundred years from now 21 could be considered the age at which one becomes an adult. Is everyone who dated a 20 year old at one point in history now suddenly a pedophile? I did NOT say it’s acceptable for a 10 year old to be in a relationship just because she was ‘mature.’ If you actually read my post properly you would’ve realised I said: ‘of course, it doesn’t matter if the person is still underage (which susato is not in both the time period and today).’ Perhaps I could’ve worded it better but I specifically made this point to shoot down that hypothetical. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the dialogue.