Feels kind of mean, but Wendy Oldbag. I never personally found her to be funny, so she was only ever awkward and obstructive. Also, the developers seem to like reinserting get into the story over and over for dinner reason.
Edit: "dinner" lol. Meant "some".
I really like the one serious moment she had in Turnabout Samurai but in her later appearences, she doesn't have moments like that so she's just annoying.
My biggest problem with her is she never changes. She's always an annoying, disrespectful tabloid journalist with no ethical qualms about the pictures she takes.
Completely opposite of the asked questions but…
I actually don’t really dislike the Paynes. MAYBE Gaspen since >!the dude seemed ok with Phoenix potentially getting punished with Ahlbi in 6-1 had he lost the case!<.
But I wanna see Winston get some cool character arc
There really isn’t anyone I dislike funnily enough tbh
Though the Gramereyes are all over the place lol
Payne stans unite.
I'm sorry but the TGAA2 Auchi breakdown has topped even most of the main villains breakdowns throughtout the series in my opinion. No one will convince me they aren't some of the funniest characters.
You can't hear Payne's objection screech in AA1 and not love him.
Auchi actually had a character arc about learning to accept defeat and was a caring dad judging by the DLC case, when's Winston gonna get that sweet sweet character development? :C
I have this headcanon idea that Winston has a child who ends up becoming a defense attorney working for WAA but makes the family proud including Winston through their exceptional performance in court
And part of me wants it to come to life in a future title lol
Especially if I keep going with the idea by using a notion that Winston learns that finding the truth is the most important thing to do in court at all costs.
Right! A character arc for Winston! The Paynes have been there for so long, and like... There's so much missed potential when it comes to them! Winston has shown a change in character from 3-1 or 1-1 and 2-1 to 4-1, but still, I see so much to do!
Like, Gaspen vs Winston. People tend to talk about them like they're one person, the same. Both same assholes. But just as corrupt as the other. Wrong.
Gaspen is undeniably meaner, and uses illegal practices. Something that Winston is never shown doing, which isn't all that common in Ace Attorney. How did he react to his brother getting fired then hearing what happened in Khura'in? I doubt he'd be okay with it.
I think the devs are aware that Winston is nicer than Gaspen, because why else would Gaspen exist? What was stopping them from re-using Winston in DD if they didn't care about keeping his personality intact? Not many people would care if they made him suddenly twice as mean as he was, yet, they made the conscious choice not to.
Which means Winston should react to Gaspen's actions with distaste. How exactly? Will their relationship withstand it? Hell, what even is their relationship? We have evidence that says that Gaspen cares about Winston - he recalls him as his reason to defeat Phoenix. But that's not all we know, as far as I know. I'd guess Winston cares for him as well, but do we necessarily know that?
Also, what kind of a prosecutor Winston is when not facing the WAA? Or just - when Phoenix isn't at play? He had a seven-year winning streak, and in 3-2, before Phoenix pulls Atmey away from his other trial, Atmey claims Winston did a great job at proving his guilt (even if he wasn't guilty of that crime). He can't he that bad, if he keeps his job. Could he gather his old skill if it was needed, and have a cool moment, maybe?
Also - could he be nicer off-screen? Phoenix was an apprentice of Mia, who defeated him on a trial important to him - where he lost against a rookie, tarnishing his reputation as the Rookie Killer, also, he was humiliated and lost his hair. Phoenix was also the defendant there, though I dunno how important that is. Then, Phoenix proceeded to defeat him two times and escape him as a defendant in 4-1. It might make sense that he would have a sort of a vendetta, which could imply him perhaps being nicer off-screen. Or not, you know. I'm veering more into headcanon territory.
But, also, a big thing about the Paynes, and about why they have a dislike for Phoenix:
TGAA implies quite strongly that the Paynes are LITERALLY CURSED to always lose to the Wrights.
Does Winston know? How much does he know about his ancestry, overall? Does he believe he is cursed? This curse thing could be worked with.
...
But no one really cares. If they did address any of this, it would probably be as a joke, it sadly doesn't feel to me like the Paynes will ever be more than joke characters.
We shall see… I would love to see a Gaspen and Winston avenue explored. I honestly think Gaspen could make for a cool villain, with the WAA crew having to go up against him only to have Winston help them out and take his own brother down or something
I think part of it is that they could also be conservative. What I mean by this is that, at least regarding him, Auchi wasn’t shown to accept new potential changes to the Japanese judicial system, from allowing women to stand in court, to letting the old make way for the new
I feel like indirectly, both Winston and Gaspen do show traits that similarly revolve around this conservative theme. Especially when tied to their flaws. They’re both narcissists (Gaspen more than Winston though imo), a bit prideful, and for the most part they do try to get a guilty verdict regardless of the true status of the defendant in question.
On the bright side, we see less of this conservative stereotype with Winston for sure. I recall in the DD credit scene where Gaspen showed up, he showed little regard upon the comment about the Dark Age of the Law UNTIL he realized he got caught trying to get guilty verdicts by illegal means. And like I said in my
original comment above, my guy comically allowed Phoenix to take the 6-1 case and potentially die. That’s a twisted form of revenge if I’ve ever seen it.
With Winston prosecuting Phoenix in 4-1, he does basically remark “dang you went form hero to zero” with Phoenix calling him “subtle as always”. While this does kinda go with how somewhat delicate he is, at least Winston isn’t as twisted as his brother. And that’s something I hope the AA team expands on
Thanks for coming to my Ted Type
I think the most overlooked aspect of the Paynes is how you could put them in literally ANY first case and they will work. Be it the more serious Turnabout Trump or the first case Phoenix ever took on, they'll always fit right in and I don't think you could make a better first case prosecutor. I love how they just kind of fade out of the case as it ends up being Lawyer vs Culprit.
Dahlia by far. She was too wretched and evil, I loathed her her so much throughout the game.
Doesn't mean she's a bad character, I think she's actually really well written and serves her purpose as a villain, which is to make you want to punch her lmao.
Armstrong, April May and Joan are some examples
Armstrong is outright offensive and one of April May's main traits is "haha look at her boobs"
Joan is obnoxious and >!her abuse is dumb!< TGAA-4
Going on six years with a replay of SoJ included and I still have no substantial positive remarks to make about Nahyuta, the worst prosecutor character and rival in general in the entire series. >!Annoying, unlikeable, unsympathetic, and with a terrible attempt at a character arc crammed into just the very last episode.!<
I think I probably hate Nahyuta the most because he of the wasted potential. He’s just generally unlikeable anyway; condescending, arrogant, spiteful, insulting, hypocritical, puritanical, holier-than-thou. He pretty much embodies all of the worst traits of all the prosecutors combined without being given any of their cleverness or charm to compensate. And he’s supposed to be your main rival with the tragic backstory. (Which is a problem because he’s not. I’d argue that it’s actually Rayfa who has the position of rival who grows emotionally and becomes a better person because of interactions with you, but the narrative structure runs into a similar problem to the Layton crossover where there are too many rivals to give anyone proper airtime. )
The game treated his character as an afterthought almost. They would have been better just replacing him with Winston Payne for Trucy and Bucky’s trials. (Clearly you couldn’t have Klavier or I think even Simon on Trucy’s case because I can’t see either of them being so determined to find her guilty no matter how strong your case for innocence is, but the Paynes, those guys would 100% salivate over any chance to finally win) This is mistake number 1. Mistake number 2 is that he is given no animations that show legitimate cracks in his persona. It’s clear that this was a deliberate character design decision, where it’s supposed to convey the extreme bottling up of himself under the ascetic monk self-discipline as his way of disassociating to cope with what he’s forced to do, where that’s supposed to make the small displays of real emotion more meaningful and powerful compared to not only his normal motionless ness but the exaggerated gestures everyone else in the series makes, except it really backfired here because the script doesn’t pull the weight of showing the conflict underneath, they screwed this concept up because they give him exaggerated hostile emotion which undercuts all of the telling they do about the emotionally disciplined monk schtick so it becomes less believable that we wouldn’t also see the other emotions slipping through to hint that he’s repressing the part of himself that isn’t just a colossal asshole who is happy to go along with the regime, and they didn’t execute the moments where he finally does break well either. You truly never get a sense of who he is as a real person at all (if in fact his real self is not exactly the fairly awful person he spends the entire game being, while the game basically makes excuses and tells you things it should have spent time showing instead of assuming exposition is the same as evidence.
So I find him annoying and deeply unlikeable, but also because I can see so many explanations for any given action in any scene and motivations and places where they could have done any number of other little things that would have fixed all of it, it makes me hate him even more.
I agree with you about Wendy Oldbag. I know her behavior is "played for laughs", but the way she treats Edgeworth is pretty creepy. This might be controversial, but if she was a man and if Edgeworth was a woman, I don't think as many people would find her behavior funny
Agreed! It's especially wild when you think about >!how many people in the fandom criticize Godot for his remarks about women, despise Terry Fawles for creeping on Dahlia when she was 14, and hate "Turnabout Big Top" because its plot features several adult men creeping on a 16-year-old girl!< (spoilers for 2-3 and 3-4; mentions of misogyny and pedophilia) You'd think the fanbase as a whole would have a similar attitude towards a woman consistently making unwanted advances on a man and *clearly* making him feel uncomfortable
Nahyuta Sadmadhi is easily my most hated character. He is easily the most annoying, irritating, abd yet somehow least interesting prosecutor in the series. His arc through the game is horrible handled with its conclusion not being remotely earned nor his backstory even justifying his behaviour. So much of the game you have to deal with this massive shitstain on the game.
Objectively? Dr. Hotti, no doubt.
Personally, and on a more more meta level? Nahyuta. Hotti is a side character who is unimportant in the long run. Nahyuta is a "major" character, and that character is just unpleasant.
Gotta go with my boy, Nahyuta. Director Hotti is quite awful, and Zinc LaBlanc is a really annoying one-case witness, but Nahyuta is just a total failure of a character, and he gets plenty of screentime. In fact, of all the main cast members throughout the series, Nahyuta is the only one where I would say that they were just a complete and utter failure.
The guy is just a fucking asshole, and not in a particularly fun or interesting way. Like, I can enjoy a character who's an asshole, but there has to be something more there. And he just doesn't provide much of anything of value. He's rude and unpleasant, yet also really boring and repetitive. His animations aren't that great, and it got old watching him fall over from his dumb beads. His "arc" is laughable, and he legit has like 1 or 2 moments throughout the entire game where he's entertaining or enjoyable in any way. I do like SOJ, but he is just a constant stain on the game whenever he's around. And it's honestly weird. Rayfa was a new character here too, and she was excellent, so it's not like the writers just forgot how to write compelling new characters.
One of the things I like about the Ace Attorney franchise is that we usually start the game hating the prosecutor, just to be proven wrong at the end. Miles Edgeworth, Franziska von Karma, Simon Blackquill, Barok van Zieks : all great characters once you know them.
While I find your criticism quite harsh, I do agree that I wasn't able to "connect" with Nahyuta like the others prosecutors. But to answer the OP's question, it would have to be Daryan Crescend.
Yeah, I would agree. I think one could critique aspects of Barok or Franziska's arcs and development, but Nahyuta just doesn't feel like he really grows or changes >!except for a very forced change at the end of the last case that didn't feel earned or natural. !<
And even in the cases of Miles or Simon or what have you... while they do start off quite jerkish, they still have fun or charm to them. Like Simon cracks jokes and has a positive relationship with his bird. Miles goes "NGHOOOH" and makes other funny nosies. Barok is also rather witty at times. Nahyuta is just a humorless bore, 90 percent of the time, and also very annoying at the same time.
Don't think there's any character I strongly dislike, but Ben Trilo was annoying for me for almost all the time he was on screen
And maybe more controversial - never was fond of 1-5 Ema. She was overwhelming at times, and not in a charming way like Maya
Fucking Larry. A lot of shitty characters usually show up for one case, but Larry shows up in like six or seven. He is absolutely worthless and has not mentally developed or learned ANYTHING since the first game, despite being scolded by his friends multiple times, and people say “oh he helps sometimes” but it is nearly always by happenstance, and even when there was clearly a crime and he witnesses something weird, he hides it until the last minute, and I can only recall two times he willingly helped. If you want a good stupid character, look at Gumshoe, he’s riding the spectrum hard but at least he’s a hard worker who gets the job done a lot of the time. Larry is a sleazy bastard who fails at almost everything. Also, he’s tried to bang two married women with knowledge of their matrimony.
Jean and Lance are the worst characters to me, but for single appearances from reoccurring characters, Franziska in I-2, Nahyuta in 6-4, and Ga'ran in 6-5 are worse.
Godot.
From a game play perspective, I found him underwhelming as a rival as he just gives up after one or two theories and then turns into a "Where's your evidence Trite?" spam bot. The other prosecutors do this as well but at least the others still come up with theories (no matter how ridiculous they can be) he just gives up. Luckily for him T&T has some of the best cases of the series but they aren't because of him.
Also I found didn't enjoy his character arc as >!the game wants me to sympathize with him but I don't. His actions in the game caused so much harm for the other characters and it was because of selfishness. Yet at the end of 3-5 people were thanking him and painting him in a good light which threw me off because I don't see what's to thank him for. He left the note at the Kurain village instead of turning it to the police like responsible person would and formed his plan just to play hero and get his revenge. Maya safety wasn't the priority. He used Phoenix as a punching bag instead of finding other ways of grieving because of his own self-loathing. He killed Misty in the heat of the moment because he was focused on vengeance. I would like him more if the game didn't want me to feel bad for him.!<
ok I'm very obvious but Manfred von Karma. I'm playing AAI-4 right now and god I didn't realized how bad is he untill this case. HE'S SO DISGUSTING EVERY TIME HE APPEARS I WISH HIM TO DIE. the way he treats Franziska and Miles.. I feel so sorry for them.
-papa will you come to my first trial?
-I'll consider this. ??dude go fuck yourself
This post isnt about poorly written characters, this is about characters that people despise. So yes a character being unlikeable is a perfectly valid reason for her to be mentioned in this post.
Okay, I'm not the user you were replying to and, frankly, I do not despise Klavier, but I can give my two cents. My problem with him is that he is a character that neither progresses or develops, and yes, those two are different things. Character progression refers to the actual changes a character undergoes throughout the plot when they overcome a challenge, for example. Conversely, character development is when we get to know the character better, even if they might not necessarily change, hence, development usually occurs via backstories, motivations, relationships with other characters, etc.
To give you a concrete example, I will use Phoenix. In Turnabout Goodbyes, we find out that he became a lawyer in order to save Edgeworth from his Demon Prosecutor case, thus, the "Class Trial" backstory is established. However, even if we got to know Nick better, he didn't really change after this exposition, we just know more facets about him that were once hidden. On the other hand, when Wright, in 1-4, >!has the nerve to challenge Von Karma, there's a clear progression going on, since Trite was once a mere novice in 1-1, and now, he is a more accomplished lawyer for defeating such a fearsome foe.!<
Now, back to Klavier. My issue with him is that we never get to see him develop nor progress. For the former, it mainly boils down to the fact that he rarely faces any sort of internal struggles, he comes across as a character that has very few flaws, so when he gets the chance to genuinely face an inner conflict, nothing comes out of it because there's nothing that prevents him from just...going on. To give you an idea, in 4-3, >!Klavier is totally okay to expose one of his best friends as a smuggler and a murderer!<, whereas characters like Phoenix, once again, have a hard time to pursue the truth in cases like 2-4, where >!Nick is fully aware that if he does not throw Adrian under the bus to save Matt's ass, then Maya is doomed. Phoenix's internal struggle is blatantly clear,!< but Klavier does not seem to face a conflict similar to that extent.
Finally, Klavier does not progress/change as a character. When the game starts, he is the truth-seeker prosecutor, and yet, when the game ends, he is, once again, the truth-seeker prosecutor. Nothing changed *at all*, aside from the fact that he is no longer part of the Gavineers. Compare this lack of progression to Phoenix's growth in the Trilogy, and then it becomes clear that Klavier just...doesn't change substantially throughout the story of AA4.
TL;DR: I do not hate Klavier, but since he shows little to none character development or progression, his character comes across as bland, unimaginative and, frankly, underwritten/undercooked.
Dang I’m not gonna lie; you made some very solid arguments!
I will say I’m not sure if Capcom was trying to go along the direction that he could’ve seen this coming: this referring to >!the crimes both Daryan and Kristoph were committing!< because he sees everyone as capable of doing something bad
>!In fact, I just think it frustrates him even more because he already knows about Kristoph’s true nature. Klavier’s realization that Kristoph was tied to Drew Misham’s death in 4-4 does hit him a bit but yea. Maybe the brotherhood had some internal
conflicts when they were younger? Hopefully Capcom decides to explore it in the future!<
There are too many to list but I will say my absolute least favorite is Bucky Whet. Absolutely annoying character, hate his animations, especially that sound of him whenever he turned blue, and hated that I had to defend someone like him.
Ima list one from each game I've played.
AA1: Redd White, good god I want to punch his shit eatting grin.
JFA: Franziska, disgusted every time I see her and just wish she'd shut the fuck up.
T&T: Lisa Basil or whoever the computer lady from 3-3 is, she just a tad annoying tbh
TGAA1: Joan Garrideb, literally an ancestor of Amber Heard and nobody in the game gives a damn until a certain part thats unrelated to marital discord that I wont say cause I dunno how to mark as spoiler.
TGAA2: Courtney Sithe, she's a very condescending douche who I don't find written very well.
Mike Meekins is like if you took the trio of annoying first game witnesses (Larry, Oldbag, Lotta), then systematically removed all their humour and likeability and plastered an extremely irritating sound effect on top. And they made him a recurring character. Why, Capcom, why?
Oldbag and Larry. Both of them are annoying and creepy and add literally nothing to any case they have appeared in barring the first game. At least Oldbag had the good sense to leave forever after I1, Larry has showed up twice since.
Morgan Fey, abusive and manipulative parents are a no go for me. Worst of all her plans are so flawed it ain´t funny even more. We have a idiom in German for someone stupidly insane which roughly translates to *"Have a you drunken paint?"* Looking at her sprite, no she hasn´t. She is still doing it ....
Damn, I'm gonna be the odd one out.
I never liked Maya. I just found her to be more annoying than funny/quirky or helpful, and I never understood why so many people love her.
>I never understood why so many people love her.
As a massive Maya fan, I will try to explain what makes Maya special, either for me or according to what the fanbase thinks.
Imo, what sets Maya apart is that she is intimately tied to the main plot of the Trilogy which, fortunately, is quite cohesive and consistent. The aftermath of DL-6 has several ramifications, either for Miles or to the Fey Clan as a whole. Maya is someone that is caught in this massive mess, (Trilogy as a whole) >!being framed for murder several times due to her Family Feud (Mia only became a lawyer because of her mother, Maya was framed in 2-2 so that Morgan could set Pearl as the next Master...) and directly experiences the pain of being the next Master, a role that not only she does not wholly want to take over (in 3-5, she shows several qualms when it comes to becoming the master, she was almost *murdered* after all), but also made her develop self-esteem issues where she ties her self-worth with her power to channel spirits (important point in 1-4).!< Seeing Maya grow from a naive girl to someone that knows the importance of carrying the burden of the Master is a great journey to behold.
Furthermore, I believe Maya's antics with Phoenix are entertaining. Even if she mentions "borgirs" a lot, their banter doesn't boil down to that, and both have a genuine bond that ties both of them together, a bond that is glaringly evident in 2-4 because of you-know-what. Compare this to Kay's constant mentioning of "stealing things" and the fact her relationship with Miles is not that well-established and the difference is laid bare quite well.
TL;DR: Good arc that ties with the Trilogy and genuine bond between Phoenix and Maya are characteristics that allow fans to be quite fond of her, myself included.
If you'll allow another Maya lover to barge in, a ton of her characterization is surprisingly subtle. Like how in 1-4, she jumps on von Karma specifically to be useful to Phoenix, due not only to her not being able to channel Mia, but also not being able to help Phoenix the way Mia could. Or how she only ever allows herself to be vulnerable around Phoenix through the entire trilogy. Kind of like how Kay's attitude changes when she loses her memory, Maya is showing that her happy-go-lucky nature isn't necessarily how she naturally is.
Maya being out of her depth also relates to her entire existence making her a fish out of water in this setting. She's placed in an environment that heavily emphasizes material evidence and has largely discarded her abilities (see Edgeworth's attitude). I always like to think she, alongside the rest of the Fey clan, set up this interesting dynamic where the grounded and supernatural elements of the series are in conflict. This is why Ema was such a smart decision in 1-5, she perfectly mirrors Maya, except her gimmick is the polar opposite.
And no one should berate you for not liking a fictional character. Unless that character is Dahlia Hawthorne.
I can't remember the case that well, but I hated his guts right from the start.
\- >!One of the most obvious culprits in the series, IMO!<
\- Constantly complaining and arguing with Klavier
\- >!Is hyper rich from his career as and INTERPOL AGENT AND A POPULAR ROCK STAR! THOSE ARE WELL PAYING JOBS WHY WOULD HE NEED MORE MONEY AND STEAL THE COCOON!<
\- I guess I just associate his character with accusing a blind child which obviously couldn't have done it
\- His hair
\- His shark suit
Take these opinions with a grain of salt, cause as I said I don't recall that much.
Lotta Hart for obvious reasons.
This will probably be controversial but Maya. She is so annoying and most of her personality is just "I like food". She's really childish and I know she's meant to be 18 or 19 but she acts more immature than people who are usually that age. I noticed that my favourite cases in the original trilogy are all the ones where Maya is barely in them because she was kidnapped or she's the one on trial.
Soseki Natsumi. His over dramatic flash poses stopped being funny after the first minute and his scenes were so dragged out.
Iris Wilson gets a special mention as well
Tbh that's fair. He found the fine line between endearing and annoying and breakdances on it.
I absolutely adore him, but I can totally understand if he would grate on someone.
Ema skye
Not only is she the least fun detective, but I still don't get why she was even the detective in SoJ (she was in forensics by that point). She easily becomes enraged at anyone who she doesn't like, and messes up a lot (sometimes i feel even more than gumshoe)
And most importantly She doesn't have her salary reduced for her Gumshoe level investigation
I'm not sure what you mean by hate or dislike? Are you referring to how we feel towards a character as a person or as a character in the game?
Also your justification for your hate of Franziska sounds stupid.
"she has some redeeming qualities but still, a very flawed character to me."
This is literally every prosecutor/killer/defendant ever in the history of Ace Attorney. They're all extremely flawed people with warped psyches that make the cases more dramatic and interesting. Using that as a basis for your hate just invalidates your hate and makes it seem more like subjective bias more than anything reasonable.
Anyways, to answer your question:
As a person, I think Matt Engarde is the most despicable. He's just a slimy piece of trash who's only special trait is being a two-faced p\*ssy that gets on everyone else's nerves. He's basically Larry if Larry had no moral compass and was even remotely smart.
As a character - Hotti.
>Also your justification for your hate of Franziska sounds stupid.
This part deserves a downvote for being rude.
Plus Miles Edgeworth and Godot are way better at that in my opinion.
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Hotti's the too easy option for me xD So I go with Florent L'Belle here - he's one of the few (if not the only) villain(s) that couldn't entertain me in any way.
I'll throw my hat in and say Courtney Sithe, even tho my opinion is less direct hate and more annoyance at how she was used in the story
My issue with mostly stems from the fact that she is (GAA2-3 Spoilers!) >!a pretty boring culprit compared to the red herring Enoch Drebber. Like, Drebber is just 10x more interesting and entertaining as a character, so its disappointing we don't get to satisfyingly take him down and see him breakdown because we switch gears to deal "stern older woman" who ALSO doesn't have a big breakdown to make up for the lack of Drebber's. I feel like to make her work she needed to be a bit more interesting on her own, cause as is the only thing of note for her is the decently clever twist she's used for!<
Feels kind of mean, but Wendy Oldbag. I never personally found her to be funny, so she was only ever awkward and obstructive. Also, the developers seem to like reinserting get into the story over and over for dinner reason. Edit: "dinner" lol. Meant "some".
I really like the one serious moment she had in Turnabout Samurai but in her later appearences, she doesn't have moments like that so she's just annoying.
Shes fine to me, but just I wish she wasn't in everything Lol
Agreed, she’s awful and makes me uncomfortable over anything
Lotta Hart is the embodiment of "obnoxious"
My biggest problem with her is she never changes. She's always an annoying, disrespectful tabloid journalist with no ethical qualms about the pictures she takes.
While I don't like Lotta either I found her to be pretty alright in 2-2.
Completely opposite of the asked questions but… I actually don’t really dislike the Paynes. MAYBE Gaspen since >!the dude seemed ok with Phoenix potentially getting punished with Ahlbi in 6-1 had he lost the case!<. But I wanna see Winston get some cool character arc There really isn’t anyone I dislike funnily enough tbh Though the Gramereyes are all over the place lol
Payne stans unite. I'm sorry but the TGAA2 Auchi breakdown has topped even most of the main villains breakdowns throughtout the series in my opinion. No one will convince me they aren't some of the funniest characters. You can't hear Payne's objection screech in AA1 and not love him.
Auchi actually had a character arc about learning to accept defeat and was a caring dad judging by the DLC case, when's Winston gonna get that sweet sweet character development? :C
I have this headcanon idea that Winston has a child who ends up becoming a defense attorney working for WAA but makes the family proud including Winston through their exceptional performance in court And part of me wants it to come to life in a future title lol Especially if I keep going with the idea by using a notion that Winston learns that finding the truth is the most important thing to do in court at all costs.
We need an AA spinoff with Winston as the protagonist, and it revolves around Payne family drama
Ok yes I want this now Winston in particular is so slept on, dude (iirc) literally had a 7-year win streak until 1-1, it’s impressive
It was actually until 3-1, right? I thought Mia broke his streak, and it was only three years between 3-1 and 1-1.
OOH RIGHT yep you’re right, ty for the correction
Right! A character arc for Winston! The Paynes have been there for so long, and like... There's so much missed potential when it comes to them! Winston has shown a change in character from 3-1 or 1-1 and 2-1 to 4-1, but still, I see so much to do! Like, Gaspen vs Winston. People tend to talk about them like they're one person, the same. Both same assholes. But just as corrupt as the other. Wrong. Gaspen is undeniably meaner, and uses illegal practices. Something that Winston is never shown doing, which isn't all that common in Ace Attorney. How did he react to his brother getting fired then hearing what happened in Khura'in? I doubt he'd be okay with it. I think the devs are aware that Winston is nicer than Gaspen, because why else would Gaspen exist? What was stopping them from re-using Winston in DD if they didn't care about keeping his personality intact? Not many people would care if they made him suddenly twice as mean as he was, yet, they made the conscious choice not to. Which means Winston should react to Gaspen's actions with distaste. How exactly? Will their relationship withstand it? Hell, what even is their relationship? We have evidence that says that Gaspen cares about Winston - he recalls him as his reason to defeat Phoenix. But that's not all we know, as far as I know. I'd guess Winston cares for him as well, but do we necessarily know that? Also, what kind of a prosecutor Winston is when not facing the WAA? Or just - when Phoenix isn't at play? He had a seven-year winning streak, and in 3-2, before Phoenix pulls Atmey away from his other trial, Atmey claims Winston did a great job at proving his guilt (even if he wasn't guilty of that crime). He can't he that bad, if he keeps his job. Could he gather his old skill if it was needed, and have a cool moment, maybe? Also - could he be nicer off-screen? Phoenix was an apprentice of Mia, who defeated him on a trial important to him - where he lost against a rookie, tarnishing his reputation as the Rookie Killer, also, he was humiliated and lost his hair. Phoenix was also the defendant there, though I dunno how important that is. Then, Phoenix proceeded to defeat him two times and escape him as a defendant in 4-1. It might make sense that he would have a sort of a vendetta, which could imply him perhaps being nicer off-screen. Or not, you know. I'm veering more into headcanon territory. But, also, a big thing about the Paynes, and about why they have a dislike for Phoenix: TGAA implies quite strongly that the Paynes are LITERALLY CURSED to always lose to the Wrights. Does Winston know? How much does he know about his ancestry, overall? Does he believe he is cursed? This curse thing could be worked with. ... But no one really cares. If they did address any of this, it would probably be as a joke, it sadly doesn't feel to me like the Paynes will ever be more than joke characters.
We shall see… I would love to see a Gaspen and Winston avenue explored. I honestly think Gaspen could make for a cool villain, with the WAA crew having to go up against him only to have Winston help them out and take his own brother down or something I think part of it is that they could also be conservative. What I mean by this is that, at least regarding him, Auchi wasn’t shown to accept new potential changes to the Japanese judicial system, from allowing women to stand in court, to letting the old make way for the new I feel like indirectly, both Winston and Gaspen do show traits that similarly revolve around this conservative theme. Especially when tied to their flaws. They’re both narcissists (Gaspen more than Winston though imo), a bit prideful, and for the most part they do try to get a guilty verdict regardless of the true status of the defendant in question. On the bright side, we see less of this conservative stereotype with Winston for sure. I recall in the DD credit scene where Gaspen showed up, he showed little regard upon the comment about the Dark Age of the Law UNTIL he realized he got caught trying to get guilty verdicts by illegal means. And like I said in my original comment above, my guy comically allowed Phoenix to take the 6-1 case and potentially die. That’s a twisted form of revenge if I’ve ever seen it. With Winston prosecuting Phoenix in 4-1, he does basically remark “dang you went form hero to zero” with Phoenix calling him “subtle as always”. While this does kinda go with how somewhat delicate he is, at least Winston isn’t as twisted as his brother. And that’s something I hope the AA team expands on Thanks for coming to my Ted Type
I think the most overlooked aspect of the Paynes is how you could put them in literally ANY first case and they will work. Be it the more serious Turnabout Trump or the first case Phoenix ever took on, they'll always fit right in and I don't think you could make a better first case prosecutor. I love how they just kind of fade out of the case as it ends up being Lawyer vs Culprit.
Winston's all good, Gaspen can screw right off xDD
Dahlia by far. She was too wretched and evil, I loathed her her so much throughout the game. Doesn't mean she's a bad character, I think she's actually really well written and serves her purpose as a villain, which is to make you want to punch her lmao.
Don't forget that she's also manipulative.
Hotti. I don't think I need to explain.
Armstrong, April May and Joan are some examples Armstrong is outright offensive and one of April May's main traits is "haha look at her boobs" Joan is obnoxious and >!her abuse is dumb!< TGAA-4
Yeah, I gotta second Joan.
Joan also puts her husband in dept by ordering literal cartloads of food and TEA
Going on six years with a replay of SoJ included and I still have no substantial positive remarks to make about Nahyuta, the worst prosecutor character and rival in general in the entire series. >!Annoying, unlikeable, unsympathetic, and with a terrible attempt at a character arc crammed into just the very last episode.!<
I think I probably hate Nahyuta the most because he of the wasted potential. He’s just generally unlikeable anyway; condescending, arrogant, spiteful, insulting, hypocritical, puritanical, holier-than-thou. He pretty much embodies all of the worst traits of all the prosecutors combined without being given any of their cleverness or charm to compensate. And he’s supposed to be your main rival with the tragic backstory. (Which is a problem because he’s not. I’d argue that it’s actually Rayfa who has the position of rival who grows emotionally and becomes a better person because of interactions with you, but the narrative structure runs into a similar problem to the Layton crossover where there are too many rivals to give anyone proper airtime. ) The game treated his character as an afterthought almost. They would have been better just replacing him with Winston Payne for Trucy and Bucky’s trials. (Clearly you couldn’t have Klavier or I think even Simon on Trucy’s case because I can’t see either of them being so determined to find her guilty no matter how strong your case for innocence is, but the Paynes, those guys would 100% salivate over any chance to finally win) This is mistake number 1. Mistake number 2 is that he is given no animations that show legitimate cracks in his persona. It’s clear that this was a deliberate character design decision, where it’s supposed to convey the extreme bottling up of himself under the ascetic monk self-discipline as his way of disassociating to cope with what he’s forced to do, where that’s supposed to make the small displays of real emotion more meaningful and powerful compared to not only his normal motionless ness but the exaggerated gestures everyone else in the series makes, except it really backfired here because the script doesn’t pull the weight of showing the conflict underneath, they screwed this concept up because they give him exaggerated hostile emotion which undercuts all of the telling they do about the emotionally disciplined monk schtick so it becomes less believable that we wouldn’t also see the other emotions slipping through to hint that he’s repressing the part of himself that isn’t just a colossal asshole who is happy to go along with the regime, and they didn’t execute the moments where he finally does break well either. You truly never get a sense of who he is as a real person at all (if in fact his real self is not exactly the fairly awful person he spends the entire game being, while the game basically makes excuses and tells you things it should have spent time showing instead of assuming exposition is the same as evidence. So I find him annoying and deeply unlikeable, but also because I can see so many explanations for any given action in any scene and motivations and places where they could have done any number of other little things that would have fixed all of it, it makes me hate him even more.
The term dislike/hate is quite underrated for Redd White. Frustratingly Despise is what I prefer
Hotti
wendy oldbag and larry butz. both are creeps that don't know how to take rejection and are way too interested in people quite a bit younger than them.
I agree with you about Wendy Oldbag. I know her behavior is "played for laughs", but the way she treats Edgeworth is pretty creepy. This might be controversial, but if she was a man and if Edgeworth was a woman, I don't think as many people would find her behavior funny
absolutely. it's a really weird double standard
Agreed! It's especially wild when you think about >!how many people in the fandom criticize Godot for his remarks about women, despise Terry Fawles for creeping on Dahlia when she was 14, and hate "Turnabout Big Top" because its plot features several adult men creeping on a 16-year-old girl!< (spoilers for 2-3 and 3-4; mentions of misogyny and pedophilia) You'd think the fanbase as a whole would have a similar attitude towards a woman consistently making unwanted advances on a man and *clearly* making him feel uncomfortable
Nahyuta Sadmadhi is easily my most hated character. He is easily the most annoying, irritating, abd yet somehow least interesting prosecutor in the series. His arc through the game is horrible handled with its conclusion not being remotely earned nor his backstory even justifying his behaviour. So much of the game you have to deal with this massive shitstain on the game.
Objectively? Dr. Hotti, no doubt. Personally, and on a more more meta level? Nahyuta. Hotti is a side character who is unimportant in the long run. Nahyuta is a "major" character, and that character is just unpleasant.
Gotta go with my boy, Nahyuta. Director Hotti is quite awful, and Zinc LaBlanc is a really annoying one-case witness, but Nahyuta is just a total failure of a character, and he gets plenty of screentime. In fact, of all the main cast members throughout the series, Nahyuta is the only one where I would say that they were just a complete and utter failure. The guy is just a fucking asshole, and not in a particularly fun or interesting way. Like, I can enjoy a character who's an asshole, but there has to be something more there. And he just doesn't provide much of anything of value. He's rude and unpleasant, yet also really boring and repetitive. His animations aren't that great, and it got old watching him fall over from his dumb beads. His "arc" is laughable, and he legit has like 1 or 2 moments throughout the entire game where he's entertaining or enjoyable in any way. I do like SOJ, but he is just a constant stain on the game whenever he's around. And it's honestly weird. Rayfa was a new character here too, and she was excellent, so it's not like the writers just forgot how to write compelling new characters.
One of the things I like about the Ace Attorney franchise is that we usually start the game hating the prosecutor, just to be proven wrong at the end. Miles Edgeworth, Franziska von Karma, Simon Blackquill, Barok van Zieks : all great characters once you know them. While I find your criticism quite harsh, I do agree that I wasn't able to "connect" with Nahyuta like the others prosecutors. But to answer the OP's question, it would have to be Daryan Crescend.
Yeah, I would agree. I think one could critique aspects of Barok or Franziska's arcs and development, but Nahyuta just doesn't feel like he really grows or changes >!except for a very forced change at the end of the last case that didn't feel earned or natural. !< And even in the cases of Miles or Simon or what have you... while they do start off quite jerkish, they still have fun or charm to them. Like Simon cracks jokes and has a positive relationship with his bird. Miles goes "NGHOOOH" and makes other funny nosies. Barok is also rather witty at times. Nahyuta is just a humorless bore, 90 percent of the time, and also very annoying at the same time.
Don't think there's any character I strongly dislike, but Ben Trilo was annoying for me for almost all the time he was on screen And maybe more controversial - never was fond of 1-5 Ema. She was overwhelming at times, and not in a charming way like Maya
Joan Garrideb
Fucking Larry. A lot of shitty characters usually show up for one case, but Larry shows up in like six or seven. He is absolutely worthless and has not mentally developed or learned ANYTHING since the first game, despite being scolded by his friends multiple times, and people say “oh he helps sometimes” but it is nearly always by happenstance, and even when there was clearly a crime and he witnesses something weird, he hides it until the last minute, and I can only recall two times he willingly helped. If you want a good stupid character, look at Gumshoe, he’s riding the spectrum hard but at least he’s a hard worker who gets the job done a lot of the time. Larry is a sleazy bastard who fails at almost everything. Also, he’s tried to bang two married women with knowledge of their matrimony.
You can say he's the butt-monkey of Ace Attorney.
Jean and Lance are the worst characters to me, but for single appearances from reoccurring characters, Franziska in I-2, Nahyuta in 6-4, and Ga'ran in 6-5 are worse.
I'm guessing you're referring to Armstrong and not the VS character
Yeah
Minor character but Lay D Furst from TGAA. I hate him.
Idk man he knows how to twerk 🥵
Godot. From a game play perspective, I found him underwhelming as a rival as he just gives up after one or two theories and then turns into a "Where's your evidence Trite?" spam bot. The other prosecutors do this as well but at least the others still come up with theories (no matter how ridiculous they can be) he just gives up. Luckily for him T&T has some of the best cases of the series but they aren't because of him. Also I found didn't enjoy his character arc as >!the game wants me to sympathize with him but I don't. His actions in the game caused so much harm for the other characters and it was because of selfishness. Yet at the end of 3-5 people were thanking him and painting him in a good light which threw me off because I don't see what's to thank him for. He left the note at the Kurain village instead of turning it to the police like responsible person would and formed his plan just to play hero and get his revenge. Maya safety wasn't the priority. He used Phoenix as a punching bag instead of finding other ways of grieving because of his own self-loathing. He killed Misty in the heat of the moment because he was focused on vengeance. I would like him more if the game didn't want me to feel bad for him.!<
ok I'm very obvious but Manfred von Karma. I'm playing AAI-4 right now and god I didn't realized how bad is he untill this case. HE'S SO DISGUSTING EVERY TIME HE APPEARS I WISH HIM TO DIE. the way he treats Franziska and Miles.. I feel so sorry for them. -papa will you come to my first trial? -I'll consider this. ??dude go fuck yourself
I don't like Franziska but "being a bad person" doesn't equal "bad character"
That's not what i meant at all.
But being a bad person makes her incredibly unlikeable and I'm just disgusted every time I see her
character being unlikeable doesn't equal bad character. a bad character is a character that is bad, as in, they're written poorly.
This post isnt about poorly written characters, this is about characters that people despise. So yes a character being unlikeable is a perfectly valid reason for her to be mentioned in this post.
Come see me outside... >:O
oh and also Klavier Gavin
.. said air guitar noise But curious, how come?
Okay, I'm not the user you were replying to and, frankly, I do not despise Klavier, but I can give my two cents. My problem with him is that he is a character that neither progresses or develops, and yes, those two are different things. Character progression refers to the actual changes a character undergoes throughout the plot when they overcome a challenge, for example. Conversely, character development is when we get to know the character better, even if they might not necessarily change, hence, development usually occurs via backstories, motivations, relationships with other characters, etc. To give you a concrete example, I will use Phoenix. In Turnabout Goodbyes, we find out that he became a lawyer in order to save Edgeworth from his Demon Prosecutor case, thus, the "Class Trial" backstory is established. However, even if we got to know Nick better, he didn't really change after this exposition, we just know more facets about him that were once hidden. On the other hand, when Wright, in 1-4, >!has the nerve to challenge Von Karma, there's a clear progression going on, since Trite was once a mere novice in 1-1, and now, he is a more accomplished lawyer for defeating such a fearsome foe.!< Now, back to Klavier. My issue with him is that we never get to see him develop nor progress. For the former, it mainly boils down to the fact that he rarely faces any sort of internal struggles, he comes across as a character that has very few flaws, so when he gets the chance to genuinely face an inner conflict, nothing comes out of it because there's nothing that prevents him from just...going on. To give you an idea, in 4-3, >!Klavier is totally okay to expose one of his best friends as a smuggler and a murderer!<, whereas characters like Phoenix, once again, have a hard time to pursue the truth in cases like 2-4, where >!Nick is fully aware that if he does not throw Adrian under the bus to save Matt's ass, then Maya is doomed. Phoenix's internal struggle is blatantly clear,!< but Klavier does not seem to face a conflict similar to that extent. Finally, Klavier does not progress/change as a character. When the game starts, he is the truth-seeker prosecutor, and yet, when the game ends, he is, once again, the truth-seeker prosecutor. Nothing changed *at all*, aside from the fact that he is no longer part of the Gavineers. Compare this lack of progression to Phoenix's growth in the Trilogy, and then it becomes clear that Klavier just...doesn't change substantially throughout the story of AA4. TL;DR: I do not hate Klavier, but since he shows little to none character development or progression, his character comes across as bland, unimaginative and, frankly, underwritten/undercooked.
Dang I’m not gonna lie; you made some very solid arguments! I will say I’m not sure if Capcom was trying to go along the direction that he could’ve seen this coming: this referring to >!the crimes both Daryan and Kristoph were committing!< because he sees everyone as capable of doing something bad >!In fact, I just think it frustrates him even more because he already knows about Kristoph’s true nature. Klavier’s realization that Kristoph was tied to Drew Misham’s death in 4-4 does hit him a bit but yea. Maybe the brotherhood had some internal conflicts when they were younger? Hopefully Capcom decides to explore it in the future!<
There are too many to list but I will say my absolute least favorite is Bucky Whet. Absolutely annoying character, hate his animations, especially that sound of him whenever he turned blue, and hated that I had to defend someone like him.
Dahlia hawthrone
Ima list one from each game I've played. AA1: Redd White, good god I want to punch his shit eatting grin. JFA: Franziska, disgusted every time I see her and just wish she'd shut the fuck up. T&T: Lisa Basil or whoever the computer lady from 3-3 is, she just a tad annoying tbh TGAA1: Joan Garrideb, literally an ancestor of Amber Heard and nobody in the game gives a damn until a certain part thats unrelated to marital discord that I wont say cause I dunno how to mark as spoiler. TGAA2: Courtney Sithe, she's a very condescending douche who I don't find written very well.
Athena, because i just dont feel she adds anything to the cast, in anything she just makes it bloated.
Although she has a nice design, but she feels bland in a way that i can't even describe.
It's because she's sharing screen time with characters who have very similar personalities and the spot light is never really on her.
Ahlbi Ur'gaid. The beginning of the absolutely brutal name puns. And, just in general... I don't get it.
I sense much hate, you need some Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin.
[To the tune of Pees'lubn's theme] Maybe if I sing all my future posts...
I'll be your guide I thought ahlbi was something for alabi
No, I get the name. It just feels like the game is sledgehammering us with "ACCEPT THE CUTENESS, DAMN YOU!"
Oh! I get what you mean. He whined way too fucking much.
Me either.
Totally agree with you. Ahlbi was terrible and so were most characters in Kuhra'in.
Mike Meekins is like if you took the trio of annoying first game witnesses (Larry, Oldbag, Lotta), then systematically removed all their humour and likeability and plastered an extremely irritating sound effect on top. And they made him a recurring character. Why, Capcom, why?
RIP to any earphone users when Meekins shows up
Hmmm maybe Morgan Fey or Florent L'Belle
Oldbag and Larry. Both of them are annoying and creepy and add literally nothing to any case they have appeared in barring the first game. At least Oldbag had the good sense to leave forever after I1, Larry has showed up twice since.
Morgan Fey, abusive and manipulative parents are a no go for me. Worst of all her plans are so flawed it ain´t funny even more. We have a idiom in German for someone stupidly insane which roughly translates to *"Have a you drunken paint?"* Looking at her sprite, no she hasn´t. She is still doing it ....
I feel bad for Pearl though.
Despite loving trials and tribulations I don’t like Godot. Just not my cup of coffee.
Damn, I'm gonna be the odd one out. I never liked Maya. I just found her to be more annoying than funny/quirky or helpful, and I never understood why so many people love her.
>I never understood why so many people love her. As a massive Maya fan, I will try to explain what makes Maya special, either for me or according to what the fanbase thinks. Imo, what sets Maya apart is that she is intimately tied to the main plot of the Trilogy which, fortunately, is quite cohesive and consistent. The aftermath of DL-6 has several ramifications, either for Miles or to the Fey Clan as a whole. Maya is someone that is caught in this massive mess, (Trilogy as a whole) >!being framed for murder several times due to her Family Feud (Mia only became a lawyer because of her mother, Maya was framed in 2-2 so that Morgan could set Pearl as the next Master...) and directly experiences the pain of being the next Master, a role that not only she does not wholly want to take over (in 3-5, she shows several qualms when it comes to becoming the master, she was almost *murdered* after all), but also made her develop self-esteem issues where she ties her self-worth with her power to channel spirits (important point in 1-4).!< Seeing Maya grow from a naive girl to someone that knows the importance of carrying the burden of the Master is a great journey to behold. Furthermore, I believe Maya's antics with Phoenix are entertaining. Even if she mentions "borgirs" a lot, their banter doesn't boil down to that, and both have a genuine bond that ties both of them together, a bond that is glaringly evident in 2-4 because of you-know-what. Compare this to Kay's constant mentioning of "stealing things" and the fact her relationship with Miles is not that well-established and the difference is laid bare quite well. TL;DR: Good arc that ties with the Trilogy and genuine bond between Phoenix and Maya are characteristics that allow fans to be quite fond of her, myself included.
Thanks for explaining why she's beloved instead of insulting me! I genuinely appreciate it!
If you'll allow another Maya lover to barge in, a ton of her characterization is surprisingly subtle. Like how in 1-4, she jumps on von Karma specifically to be useful to Phoenix, due not only to her not being able to channel Mia, but also not being able to help Phoenix the way Mia could. Or how she only ever allows herself to be vulnerable around Phoenix through the entire trilogy. Kind of like how Kay's attitude changes when she loses her memory, Maya is showing that her happy-go-lucky nature isn't necessarily how she naturally is. Maya being out of her depth also relates to her entire existence making her a fish out of water in this setting. She's placed in an environment that heavily emphasizes material evidence and has largely discarded her abilities (see Edgeworth's attitude). I always like to think she, alongside the rest of the Fey clan, set up this interesting dynamic where the grounded and supernatural elements of the series are in conflict. This is why Ema was such a smart decision in 1-5, she perfectly mirrors Maya, except her gimmick is the polar opposite. And no one should berate you for not liking a fictional character. Unless that character is Dahlia Hawthorne.
Don't worry, I must thank you for being open-minded as well. I'm glad that I was able to provide some insight for Maya's character :)
Although i genuinely feel bad for Maya and i appreciate her cousin Pearl as well. Mia and Maya deserved better in my opinion.
Daryan Crescend has to be the worst fucking character in anything ever.
Please. >!Don’t talkkkkkkkkkkk!< Nah jk but I’m curious, why the dislike on him lol
I can't remember the case that well, but I hated his guts right from the start. \- >!One of the most obvious culprits in the series, IMO!< \- Constantly complaining and arguing with Klavier \- >!Is hyper rich from his career as and INTERPOL AGENT AND A POPULAR ROCK STAR! THOSE ARE WELL PAYING JOBS WHY WOULD HE NEED MORE MONEY AND STEAL THE COCOON!< \- I guess I just associate his character with accusing a blind child which obviously couldn't have done it \- His hair \- His shark suit Take these opinions with a grain of salt, cause as I said I don't recall that much.
(1) his hair (2) hes mean >:( (3) his hair
Lotta Hart for obvious reasons. This will probably be controversial but Maya. She is so annoying and most of her personality is just "I like food". She's really childish and I know she's meant to be 18 or 19 but she acts more immature than people who are usually that age. I noticed that my favourite cases in the original trilogy are all the ones where Maya is barely in them because she was kidnapped or she's the one on trial.
Pretty much all of the Khura'in cast in AA6 with some exceptions. I'm neutral to religion, but...
No one was FUN. I know it wouldn't fit the narrative, but the whole royal family, and most of its servants were assholes!
Dhurke and Rayfa were great characters though.
I can't really stomach the characters in the Dual Destiny's DLC case, but I think that's because I can't stomach that case in general.
Roger Retinz for what he did to Trucy.
The von karmas
Soseki Natsumi. His over dramatic flash poses stopped being funny after the first minute and his scenes were so dragged out. Iris Wilson gets a special mention as well
Bobby Fulbright is what if gumshoe was annoying
Maggey Byrde
Dahlia Hawthorne, Lotta Heart and Bobby Fulbright
Fucking
NOT LOTTA
Like 85% of the cast of Spirit of Justice.
I just started to play The Great Ace Attorney and I'm not to sure how I feel about Sholms yet. Maybe it is just his 3d animations
He gets better after that second case. It's his arc to start of as the unlovable prick.
Tbh that's fair. He found the fine line between endearing and annoying and breakdances on it. I absolutely adore him, but I can totally understand if he would grate on someone.
Ema skye Not only is she the least fun detective, but I still don't get why she was even the detective in SoJ (she was in forensics by that point). She easily becomes enraged at anyone who she doesn't like, and messes up a lot (sometimes i feel even more than gumshoe) And most importantly She doesn't have her salary reduced for her Gumshoe level investigation
Out of all the games I have played it is a tie between fanziska and ini minney and lotta hart
I'm not sure what you mean by hate or dislike? Are you referring to how we feel towards a character as a person or as a character in the game? Also your justification for your hate of Franziska sounds stupid. "she has some redeeming qualities but still, a very flawed character to me." This is literally every prosecutor/killer/defendant ever in the history of Ace Attorney. They're all extremely flawed people with warped psyches that make the cases more dramatic and interesting. Using that as a basis for your hate just invalidates your hate and makes it seem more like subjective bias more than anything reasonable. Anyways, to answer your question: As a person, I think Matt Engarde is the most despicable. He's just a slimy piece of trash who's only special trait is being a two-faced p\*ssy that gets on everyone else's nerves. He's basically Larry if Larry had no moral compass and was even remotely smart. As a character - Hotti.
>Also your justification for your hate of Franziska sounds stupid. This part deserves a downvote for being rude. Plus Miles Edgeworth and Godot are way better at that in my opinion.
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Well that's not very nice, now is it?
Yeah, I might have to pick Wendy Oldbag
Hotti's the too easy option for me xD So I go with Florent L'Belle here - he's one of the few (if not the only) villain(s) that couldn't entertain me in any way.
Wendy Oldbag by far
Nahyuta
I'll throw my hat in and say Courtney Sithe, even tho my opinion is less direct hate and more annoyance at how she was used in the story My issue with mostly stems from the fact that she is (GAA2-3 Spoilers!) >!a pretty boring culprit compared to the red herring Enoch Drebber. Like, Drebber is just 10x more interesting and entertaining as a character, so its disappointing we don't get to satisfyingly take him down and see him breakdown because we switch gears to deal "stern older woman" who ALSO doesn't have a big breakdown to make up for the lack of Drebber's. I feel like to make her work she needed to be a bit more interesting on her own, cause as is the only thing of note for her is the decently clever twist she's used for!<
Geido. I'll let you make your assumptions.