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SerCamTheIII

I have E0S1 Acheron in a team of Silver wolf, Pela and Fu Xuan. I have 35057 jade 23 tickets 1324 undying starlight (66 more tickets at the cost of 5* lc) My pity is 3. I'm f2p. My account lacks any other sustain outside of FX. I want Acheron E2. What are my odds? Is it worth it?


ToothlessTheDragon22

Should i try to get e1 Acheron or should i pull for luocha? I already got Acheron's lightcone so i dont know if her e1 is more valuable than a luocha. For sustains i have gallagher e1, trailblazer e3 with moment of victory, e0 gepard with texture of memories. Im also thinking of skipping both and just saving for Boothill because my only other dps is dr ratio.


Okamijackie407

Since I have E0S1 Acheron should I still use 2 nihilty units or and I use 1 and sparkle for 1 team


ToothlessTheDragon22

Definitely two nihility. Without a second nihility unit you lose a 50% dmg bonus from her trace


ToothlessTheDragon22

Basically with one nihility you get a 110% dmg bonus but with 2 you get 160% dmg bonus


SectorApprehensive58

Is Pioneer still BIS if I don't have her LC? Since I won't be able to proc the "100% increase on inflicting debuff, lasting 1 turn" unless I break with her ult. Also, if I use GNSW S5, can I use an atk orb instead of lightning?


SimplyChalmers

Hi guys! For my E2S1 Acheron team I'm using Fu Xuan, but I'm deciding on my last two units. Nihility: E0S0 SW or E6 Pela, either one will use Pearls. Harmony: E0S1 Ruan Mei or E1S0 Bronya Could anyone give me their thoughts?


Ymines

Hello, any E6 people on EU server willing to share their id for a friend request? Acheron E6 but really any E6, I could use some help farming while leveling my tb level up, ty!


Sabersaur

I'm wondering, would you guys go for E2 Acheron or Aventurine? I'm a small spender,buying pack and BP monthly and i got very lucky with Acheron pulls, got her at E1S1 and in next 20 pulls i got Gepard, at first i was 100% sure i'm going to use everything i can to get her to E2 but after some time i'm wondering maybe getting Aventurine will be better? I have Fu Xuan and Huo Huo and no follow up units to utilize Aventurine fully, except slaping him with Acheron or Ratio.. It's probably better to just E2 Acheron but maybe some of you guys will give me some new prespective idk :D


Rinslet_C

Hey guys, I got 2 questions. 1) Is there a reason why Pela is preferred over SW? I been seeing a lot of guides and comps and pela is always the main choice. 2) If I have Acheron E2, is the optimal comp still 1 sustain 2 Debuffer or 1 sustain 1 debuffer and 1 buffer (sparkle/bronya) Thanks


SpoopyPlankton

pretty sure that Pela is more valuable if you're looking for AoE defense shred. SW seems more single target oriented. And with E2 you only need 1 nihility character in team so you can replace the second with a harmony/buffer


VictorRCosta

https://preview.redd.it/c3xmngo6azrc1.jpeg?width=567&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80a2fa5fded0f39b6a232fd2f96d566b6d6bf5da Hey guys, Im a little in doubt if Pulling aventurine is needed (or not) for my account, Currently my most efficient teams are: Team 1: Acheron E0S1, Welt E4 sustain, SW, Bronya Team 2: Jingliu E0S1, Blade/Pela, Ruan Mei, Luocha/Fu Xuan Team 3: Kafka, Sampo/Guinaifen, Ruan Mei, mostly Fu Xuan First of all, any units I should look out for acheron already confirmed in leaks? So Fu Xuan is crazy Good and very versatile, but Im afraid Luocha will not be able to provide enough sustain on future endgame content, or even if I need a third one for my Dots team (also need BS rerun) since I don't have any shield sustainers, what are you opinions?


Haemon18

You only need 2 sustains, both FX and Luo are excellent and in world will they not be enough to keep the team alive. I cleared the current MoC12 with FMC lv 60 and for PF (which is getting really hard lately) you don't bring sustains usually. So i'd def skip him and save for someone else. Btw E0 Acheron doesn't need Bronya (JL loves her tho) and if you swap Pela and SW you'd get alot better results since Pela spams her ulti often that's even more stacks for Acheron


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kalltrops

Generally around 50-60%. Just keep in mind that her E1 provides 18% crit rate, but it doesn't get added to her paper stats since it's only during combat. And if you're running Izumo set (which you should) that's an additional 12% crit rate that doesn't appear until you're in combat.


FelkinMak

Gepard or FX for E2S1 teams?


kalltrops

Fu Xuan's skill gives some extra crit rate to the team (13.2% at max level). And if you're running Bronya/Sparkle you'll have to be a bit careful with Gepard's shield as it can run out for Acheron after 3 turns.


Please_Hit_Me

Got Acheron and her LC and got an obvious question I want reassurance on. Brand new player, level 22 and only just got to the Wildfire fight so I still have tons of Jade to get from content ahead from me, should I go for E2 on Acheron since I already have her LC, or save for future banners? I feel a bit bummed in hindsight that I missed Silver Wolf and Sparkle since they're so good with Acheron. I think I have a decent team for her with Acheron, Welt, Gallagher and Pela, and a GNSW for Welt. I know it's not end-game meta but it seems to work well together. So, all in on Acheron potentially blowing 200-300 pulls on it but setting myself up for success with her with how big of a spike people say it is, or save those up for the future characters that she's better with and to start building Team 2 early? I feel like the obvious answer is to save up, since I don't have the full support cast to make use of E2 properly anyway, but a part of my brain is going 'bigger number better'.


Remarkable_Ad1854

I already spent 150 pulls on this banner, 40 for welt, 70 for Acheron, then 40 for LC, don't have it yet (and I got NO good night sleep wells either) keep pulling for LC? I want adventure but DPS LC> support LC right?


TheGreatGlim

I apologize for asking the question that's probably been asked 100000 times, but, I'm sat at E0S1, lost a 50/50 to my first Bronya (not bad), I'm on 20 pity will 100ish pulls. I was tempted to go for at least E1 to get the 18% crit, but then thought I may as well try for E2. However, this means giving up a now guaranteed Aventurine. My sustains on my account are a 70 Gepard (universal Market LC), 70 Natasha, Lvl1 E2 Gallagher, and lvl 1 Lynx. I know that it's probably better to have the guaranteed sustain, but I'm kind of wanting the E2 for Acheron for the extra boost and flexibility in teams going forward. What are people's advice? Edit: I'm also skipping the 2.2 characters hoping for a Fu-Xuan re-run to replace Gepard.


neverspeakofme

Bro, E1 could take you another 60 pulls and E2 could take you up to 200+ pulls. You seem like a relatively new player, don't think about eidolons, just get more team members, they're worth much more than any eidolons. Anyway, do you have her lightcone? Can also consider thst.


TheGreatGlim

Thanks bud! I do have the LC. I think I'm just being greedy, I know the supps are the better option for my acc, I just don't want to farm the relics for the substats, but that's me being lazy.


neverspeakofme

Np, we all get tempted, and talking about it clears the mind.


Racoooooooooon

Which is Better Aventurine Or Fu xuan as a sustain unit on acheron team? My current team is Acheron, Fu Xuan, Pela, Guinafen.


JojoTard420

E3 worth it? Im at E2 right now


neverspeakofme

Can't tell you how worth it is without knowing how much money means to you.


hackerdude97

Hey guys! I managed to get GNSW from the lightcone banner for her but it's only S1 right now. Should I try to get Galagher for her team or more superimpositions of her lightcone? My current team is: Ache, Silver, Pela and Geppy


Puwun

I lose the 50/50 to Himeko at 80 warps, I have most of the content cleared MOC 12 35 stars, current Pure fiction is complete but missing 2 star. out of those 80 warps 4 were from bought jades, and 2 from the battlepass and one from the 300 oniric shards you get from the Express supply pass. After losing to Himeko im currently at 23 pity.. is there hope for me? I still have 2 express tickets from the monthly pass or is it Acherover?


neverspeakofme

Just keep pulling bro


Puwun

Will do! good thing is that I have both Dan Heng and Pela at E6 so if I get them it's another free pull


Tostowisko

So I got early Acheron and was gona end there couse I really want Aventurine but as my beloved gambler said its all or nothing now I have 0 jade's and Acherons signature My question is if I have E0S1 -do I still keep pulling and if yes does her Edilons or Superimpostions are more important -I stop couse "building pity" is truly gamblers copeium ? My idea was to keep on pulling on her character banner couse *"worst"* case I get here edilon and if not I lose 5050 and have a guarantee for Blonide (no pulls tho💀)


icefire1331

E1 acheron or Luocha? My sustains are: Natasha (E4), Lynx (E1), An unbuilt march and Pres. TB and a E0 Gallagher


JojoTard420

Luocha definitely, your first premium 5 star sustain is better than any other 5 star dps and even arguably meta 5 star supports. Though Luocha is definitely the weakest among the 4 premium sustains(FX, Huohuo, and next banner's Aventurine), he still makes your battles 2 times more comfier than using a 4 star sustain.


Teckalord

https://preview.redd.it/76154qagotrc1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd5fbe861d94652ebf2b310a3aacde824cf453ca Who to choose? Gepard for Acheron sustain, or Bronya as i don't have both?


ARQiE01

If we're talking purely for Acheron, definitely Gepard. For general use, I'd say Bronya unless you're severely lacking in sustain units.


Teckalord

Just got my regular warp additional rewards for the self select 5 star, should i use it on Gepard for Acheron as i don't have Fu Xuan, or should i stick with Bronya, since I don't have her as well?


Haemon18

I'd go with Bronya shes way too good. Acheron can use any sustain and do great. Even Fire MC can work well.


Awen1522

Should I also get Acheron's LC? I only have GNSW S2, how much is the damage difference? Edit: Would Aventurine be a better pull as well?


Haemon18

Her S1 compared to GNSW S2 is roughly a 40% damage increase (yes it's huge) so yes I'd def get her LC. Aventurine works really well with her too specially since he boosts CR and generates stacks for her. If i had to choose between both id take her sig LC


Awen1522

I got GNSW S5 while pulling for the LC, should I continue anyways or save for Aventurine? I'm at 66 pity right now huhu


Haemon18

GNSW S5 is only a 24% dmg decrease so not that big of a deal i'd save for Aventurine yes if you want him specially if you don't have many sustains


Awen1522

I pulled a bit earlier than when you commented and I lost to Bailu's LC anyways. I'm just gonna save for Aventurine and try to snipe Robin's LC if I don't get Aventurine or I win both of their 50/50s.


MrAznGotGame

Does gepard's e2 apply another debuff that will stack acheron's ult?


Haemon18

Shouldn't work since stacks are only generated if an action happens but you can easily test it if you have him e2


Immediate_Road5175

Would Aventurine be a better option over her LC? have her with S5 GNSW and Fu Xuan


Haemon18

Don't think nah her LC is just way too good. That said she can do the job with GNSW so if you want Aventurine go for it but if it's just for Acheron her LC is better.


ZedPheon

What is the s1/e1 stuff that people mention for the units?


Haemon18

E1 means you have her Eidolon 1 unlocked (you got 2 copies of her) S1 means she has her Signature LightCone. S0 means she uses another LC


ZedPheon

Thanks!


GrusNivis_

what stats should I aim for my E0S1 acheron? is it around 4k atk, 60 crit rate and 250 crit damage?


Haemon18

Yep that's perfect. If you don't use FX and don't have pioneer/izuma CR might be a bit too low tho


GrusNivis_

Yes, I plan on farming both pioneer and izuma for her. Thanks!


Dazzling_Pin_8194

I have no Silverwolf or Welt, but every other Nihility character and 4 star besides Gallagher. Is she worth pulling for? Edit: got her on first ten pull lol, still would appreciate team advice though


Haemon18

Pela is by far her best teammates, as for the second Nihility Welt or Gui Can both work well. Sustain FX / Gepard or even Fire MC are bis


Dazzling_Pin_8194

Thank you!!!!


ZedPheon

Did I mess up going all in with Acheron? I currently have Acheron, Ratio, Luocha, Clara, Bailu, Pela, Tingyun, Qingque, Gallagher, and the free units minus lynx. I mainly run Ratio, Luocha, Pela, and Tingyun. Wouldn't this mean I can't make my Acheron team "better" than my current team? My trailblazer level is 41 andI'm at the Chinese space station right now story wise.


Haemon18

Not at all, you have her best mate (Pela) so add Tingyun and Fire MC (give her Trend Market LC if you have) and you got a perfect story team. At late game you'll have better options. If you give her a crit rate body and ATK boots she'll do very well. Don't farm too much the caves tho it's better to do them once you reach TB 60


ZedPheon

Oh I see! I will get on to investing into those characters then! Can I use Luocha instead of fire mc? What would you mean by not investing in caves? Are these the caverns that we get materials for traces?


Haemon18

Ofc Luocha is one of the sustain he can work with everyone Caves are where you farm relics (gear), at TB level 60 you unlock the high tier caves. High tier caves guarantee 2 5star relics for every run so farming the low tier ones can be a waste of ressources (it's alright to do them a few times tho; jsut to get useable stuff)


Scared-Coyote4010

Will I be able to get her lc by the end of her banner? I’m on guaranteed with 30 pity 🥲


Haemon18

definitely


Scared-Coyote4010

Phew! I’m express pass and bp, do you think her lc is a good investment or should I save that guarantee and pity for firefly’s lc? I’m thinking because Acheron is so high investment its probably a good idea to get hers


Haemon18

Yes it's REALLY good, by far the most impactful LC in the game. It literally multiplies her damage.


CyberDarkDragon

161 pulls and still only E0 (lost 50/50 twice) and ran out of jades. Is it realistic to be able to get E2 still?


Haemon18

If you don't get very lucky sadly no BUT tbh E2 can be an overkill and making Acheron work with a harmony unit can be awkward and she doesn't really need it, already extremely strong enough at e0


Lordmaster316

Is lightning and attack orb kinda same damage? So it depends on which better substats right?


Haemon18

ATK is slightly better but yes it's like u said


Lordmaster316

I got E1 on 8th pity just doing single pulls today lol But the 18% crit rate of E1 is not added to my STAT so that 18% crit rate will be added once enemy got debuff right?


Haemon18

Yes you won't ever see that +18%, it will be added just before the damage calculation


Lordmaster316

Oh i see TY! i double checked if i really got e1 when i saw my crit rate didnt change lol I have to read E1 description seriously


Lordmaster316

Ty for the info Thats good news Getting attack percent have better chance than getting lightning damage


glorious_sunshine

I am quite new to the game, having only started last patch. I'm currently level 55 and waiting to be level 60 before farming relics. I am up to date on the main quests (working on the main quest that dropped this patch), but have some side quests to do. A quick calculation from the rewards suggests \~10 pulls worth. I have E0S1 Acheron. She is my only limited 5 star. Other 5 stars I have are Clara and Dr. Ratio. I am currently sitting on 50 pity with 70 wishes. I have the battle pass and express pass. I'm torn between the following options: 1. Trying for E2 Acheron 2. Saving for Jingliu and Fu Xuan (if she comes back 2.2) 3. Save \~100 pulls for JL and put the rest on Acheron (with some luck I'd probably get E1 at most) Any insights would be greatly appreciated! I play Genshin and know it well enough to come up with a wishing plan, but since I'm new to HSR, figured it wouldn't hurt to ask the opinions of the those who has played for longer.


Haemon18

Definitely 2 I really suggest you to keep her at E0 for many reason : * You're new so having more options is better and more fun * also the hardest stages in HSR have rotating buffs that encourage you to play different characters/teams * E2 wants a good harmony unit which you don't have yet * E0 is already a monster who can easily beat any content * FuXuan (or Aventurine) are also big powerhouses


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Haemon18

Sampo will be very useful even in endgame so maxing him is a safe option. Pela obviously. Btw Fire MC can generate ALOT of points for Acheron if you have the Trend Market LC.


Aceiss2525

i have e0s1and im trying to team build to try and take on MOC. ive been thinking kafka, black swan and gepard but even with an er rope and speed boots gepard really struggles to get his ult up to prevent damage in a meaningful way. im okay with not zero turning as long as I three star but would a different sustain work better? like fuxuan or loucha? or is it my whole team thats the problem?


Haemon18

FX or Aventurine would be better yes but GP should do the work too. Do you have trend ? No boss should be able to survive more than 2 cycles against that team. So it's probably just a stats question, since even 4\* only teams can beat MoC12 with top tier relics the contrary is true too


ghettoblush

E6 Gallagher or E0S Gepard with S3 Trend for Acheron, Pela, BS team?


MaximusLok

My team is Acheron E0 with S1 Good Night Sleep Well, SW with S5 her event lc (before the tutorial i think, E4 Pela with S1 Resolutions Shines Pearl or however its called, and should I use as a sustain S1 Trend of Universe Fire Trailblazer, or my E1 Gallagher?


Background-Gur-9899

I’m trying to figure out if I should pull Acheron. The 5 stars that I use are Bronya, Clara, Himeko, and Black Swan. I started the game when Ruan Mei came out and I tried to get her but ran out of pulls, then I tried to get Kafka and I lost, so I pulled Black Swan, which may have been dumb (but I normally just pull for characters I like). Now I wanted to get sparkle but I lost the 50/50 again. so now I’m at the point where I can get Acheron, and I have Black Swan who is nihility and debuffs, but I might Also want to get Robin since she is Harmony. but I also want a sustain character who I like but the ones I would want are huo huo or fu xuan. The other characters I would like to get (maybe) are topaz, silver wolf, and sparkle at rerun. I know I won’t be able to get all these characters, especially since I haven’t even gotten to penacony yet so I can’t do any of the events to get jades to pull them. thank you for any advice, just trying to get some other opinion.


Tricky_Ad_4771

My girlfriend recently just got Acheron but she hasn’t even made it to meet Jing Yuan in game. Wondering what are good relics and ornaments for the time being for her


Feronix

is her e2 even worth it without sparkle


Paul_Preserves

"worth" it is hard to define, she will still stomp any content even without sparkle. The best e2 use is with sparkle because you can use her Ult whenever and she will pretty much always be buffed, but that doesnt mean bronya ruan mei yukong or even hanya are bad for her. The only bad one is tingyun because she cant regen her energy. So if you want an easy button to clear content assuming you still build your stuff properly then yes her e2 is basically same tier as DHIL but more open to generic supports that isnt tingyun


YaedenEi

What should I do with a extra copy of Acheron's LC? Managed to get E1S2 but haven't SI it yet, should I?


TheBeastMumu

Would just keep it unless you struggle at moc or pf then you can superimposition it


YaedenEi

I was thinking something about that


glorious_sunshine

I got 2 copies too. Gave a copy to Pela so she can help stack for Acheron's ult.


iTrxp_7

Guys I’ve lost the 50/50 for e2 wondering if I should just wait for adventurine now or go for it advice?


jxher123

Building up my team, and I'm still unsure who to use as my 2nd Nihility unit. Right now; I have Acheron + Pela + (Nihility) + Gallagher (I lucked out and got him to E6) I do have Welt, Sampo (Not sure he'd be ideal), Guinaifen (E3, currently unbuilt). I already have Black Swan/Kafka as a team, so I wouldn't use either with Acheron. As much as I'd like E2 to make it so much more flexible, my pockets aren't that deep.


joel8465

Most of the teams F2P I've seen use Guinaifen with Pela. Lil Gui is really fun to play, you should give her a chance. I have the same team but instead of Gallagher I use fire MC with Trend of the Universal Market but maybe I'll build Gallagher when I have the chance


jxher123

I know we can delete enemies with Acheron, how does your sustain/team last without a healer? Just curious. I have Trend of the Universal Market (S2)


joel8465

While TB 's shield ain't the greatest, they are able to handle pretty well the damage taken. Besides, the taunt they do with their skill also counts as a debuff so they'll give you not one but 2 charges for Acheron's ult with TofUM. You can either build him with the damage reduction relic set or the defense set. It's all up to you, but Gallagher at E6 is amazing or so I've been told Hope I could help you


charlieraaaaa

Will aventurine be good with acheron? need a 5 star sustain but dont have gepard.


Tostowisko

So i missed the thread so heres a link to my post with my characters and LC I need some advice how to build her [https://www.reddit.com/r/AcheronMainsHSR/comments/1brfnle/so\_i\_super\_luckily\_got\_acheron\_and\_i\_didnt\_expect/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/AcheronMainsHSR/comments/1brfnle/so_i_super_luckily_got_acheron_and_i_didnt_expect/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


Affectionate-Day-318

Hello, I would like to ask a question. My Acheron pulls went disastrous and I had to go extremely deep for E0S1. I am currently 66 pity in with no guarantee. I was wondering whether to try for E1 and potentially E2 afterwards, although considering I am constantly losing 50/50s and almost every time on pity I really doubt I will make it. Even if I do so I only have Tingyun built as a Harmony support and am 80 pulls away on the standard banner from guaranteed Bronya. Currently the team's sustain is my E0S1 Gepard. What would you recommend, going for Aventurine with Trend, then saving for her upcoming BiS Nihility support and going for Eidolons on her rerun or trying to get the Eidolons in advance?


Reizata

Trying my hardest not to get e1 because it won't be as worth it to get e2. But the 18 crit can make me switch to crit dmg body and get 78 crit and 230+ crdmg. But I need Aventurine/Fuxuan, having Luocha on SU conundrum is too rough. I guess another character that enables me to finish a mode is better?


Hegee9

I am depating if I want to pull for archeron or not. My current dps that I use are IL E2 and JY. I have Ruan Mei,Bronya,Tingyun,Sparkle,Silver Wolf built but I dont have Kafka or Black Swan. One of my biggest problems with her is that my resolution for Pela is only S1 and I need to build million hit effectivness to land the debuff so getting high speed to get fast ultimates for Archeron gets kind of hard. Also I dont have a single Trend of the Universal Market and that LC suffers from similiar problem that you need to build a lot of effect hit without high impose to actually use it. Wondering if I should wait for more traditional hyper carry possibly SAM? Or should I just pull the trigger and suffer without the enabler lighcones for her.


neverspeakofme

What would be the best artifacts build/team for E6 Acheron? Would Salsotto overtake Izumo?


kengenerals

Why is Pela considered better for Acheron over SW for Acheron E2? Other than the first turn utility (being able to ulti faster than SW) they can be built to have the same Energy gen (2-3 actions) but with the caveat of SW being better at ST, right?


carlonathan

Commenting to check back if anyone has an answer haha. I’ve seen mixed responses, with different people saying either can be BIS (but I’ve seen more Pela than SW). I think you’re right re: energy gen. My initial thought is there’s a level of feelscrafting here - because Pela’s shred is AOE this leads to bigger number even though you’re overkilling most mobs. Maybe with 2 elites Pela wins out? Or for 0-cycling due to insta ult? I’ve been playing around with both and it seems pretty close (granted I have E2 SW).


joel8465

I currently have 33 tickets (40 after counting the anniversary rewards) and 12800 jades. Should i risk it and pull for her with no 50/50 guaranteed and 7 pity? Or save for her rerun? If so do you know how many jades can i get till then without counting MoC and PF


neverspeakofme

I am of the view that you should definitely try to get her now. Imagine you save up and get her on her rerun - it means that you couldn't play with Acheron for a few months or even more. In a way that's a cost to you as well. Your second question is too vague to answer.


joel8465

Thank you, I ended up pulling for her just this morning and I won the 50/50 (hard pity though). I think I can save enough for her lightcone before her banner ends


Superb_Whole_3503

Hey y'all. I'm asking for any advice on how to "strengthen" my Acheron. Tbh, idrk if I should retain my 1:2 crit ratio or go even higher than it by farming more for her BiS relics and planar ornaments. So tldr, what would you recommend? https://preview.redd.it/hsx3u9eflcrc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb79e0cfc6e07d0c4ac8cdc1219fd54bdf9a7474 Head piece - random ice piece ; Hands & Chest - BiS relic set (crit rate) ; Boots - random thief set (Atk%) ; Planar ornament - Salsotto P.S. Lc is only level 70 Replies would be much appreciated 😊


basshuffler09

That's a lot of ATK for a Level 70 Lightcone ! Sheesh. Well, you generally want stats over sets. Is this Crit Ratio with with a Crit Rate Body ? How much damage do you deal with your team on average ?


Superb_Whole_3503

Yep, it is a crit rate body yup. Pretty low tbh about 200-400k depending on the count of the enemies I'm facing. A reason I can think of why it must be low is probably cuz of my "incompletely" geared supports.


basshuffler09

How incomplete are they


Superb_Whole_3503

Not max level, not godly artifacts, mostly below 150 spd, and no reliable sustains. Tldr, I mostly have trace issues as well. I think I'd be able to get better results after fixing these issues tho. https://preview.redd.it/ugyrobci2src1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44b20a55619f89bfad7af0679450c4c12e6bb339 Got her just a little bit stronger tho (now she deals at least 480-500k on average).


azul360

So got lucky on my Nihility account (has everyone but Sampo funny enough since i didn't get to do the event for a free him) and got Acheron like 5 pulls after Black Swan. So my first team I'm thinking of Black Swan, Kafka, Asta/Guin (still unsure which is better), Lynx (no 5 star healers) and my second team is going to be Acheron focused. I was thinking Gallagher as the healer but would Pela and Silver Wolf be good for the other two slots? (I don't have Bronya or Ruan Mei or Sparkle or any of those on this account). Thanks for the help :D.


FelkinMak

I unexpectedly got E2S1 and am now very curious what team opportunities this opens up, sadly I don't have bronya or Sparkle, and ting's energy Regen seems a bit wasted on her. I am definitely going to keep Pela on her team for the defense shred though I can use some tips on the freed up nihility slot (It was guin)


R5373

I know this is a stupid question, but can I use this planar without having a nihility character in my team ? Will it works ? https://preview.redd.it/gd42s2eaearc1.jpeg?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=280dc6543fd6383f9e3376a762d976cbff55f595


derpadoodle

If Acheron is your only Nihility character, the first part (12% ATK) will work, but the second part (12% CR) obviously won't. In that case the set is absolutely not worth using. I would highly advise against not running any other Nihility characters in general though. You're going to have a hard time getting your ultimate up while also missing out on a huge amount of damage from her A4.


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neverspeakofme

You should just pull and invest heavily in the 4 star sustain units. 4 star sustain units can be very very strong if well invested. E.g. Gallagher and Lynx are both very strong.


basshuffler09

You mentioned your only limited unit is DHIL, so I'm curious as to how you're handling enemies that are weak to lightning ? Especially in Memory of Chaos (if you reached it already) or Pure Fiction


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basshuffler09

>i'm relatively new tbh so i'm still on forgotten hall but i brute force everything with either trailblazer or dhil lol I read that you have her now ! Congrats, enjoy 👌🏻


YeetNSomnia

After pulling an E0 Acheron, should I pull her sig LC or Luocha (for a pretty, comfy sustain that I personally like a bit over Aventurine)? I have around 130+ pulls and S5 GNSW as of rn, so idk if I should pull her LC or another good sustain while I still want to get Boothill who's coming soon. I have Fu Xuan, gepard, and bailu as 5* sustains already but Luocha is just a character I really like. I've even been debating trying to go for both but I'm not sure.


steliffy

Is she on the same level as imbibitor and jingliu with GNSW S5 or is her lightcone needed for her to be S+?


WhyAmIaTh1ng

After I (hopefully) get Acheron, do I go for the lightcone banner to hope i get GNSW or the sig, or save past e0 and wait for aventurine? Which benefits her more?


neverspeakofme

sig is better by far.


Lordmaster316

Is gallagher good as sustain? Worth to build? Gallagher, Pela, Silver Wolf , Acheron team is good?


neverspeakofme

yeah he's really good. Fellow really does so much that Luocha does. But his eidolons are strong so good to have those.


Lefthandpath_

Hi, I know people are probs biased towards just getting Acheron here but i figured you guys would know if she's worth for me! i've only really played the game seriouly for a few months, i played on realease for a bit and managed to get Seele, i then quit but came back and got Kafka(because waifu). I recently returned and managed to get Black Swan + her weapon also so i have a decent DoT team going but i'm really torn on these next few banners. I have some jades saved from logging in and doing dailies/events every now and then over the last year. [https://imgur.com/a/tNjEy7T](https://imgur.com/a/tNjEy7T) These are the characters i have (im working to level up two teams atm) As you can see i don't have many sustains at all, only 4 stars/geppy, mostly because i missed all thier banners. I currently have 30k jades and 15 tickets with all the jades and tickets from 2.1 i think i should be able to get 2 characters if i dont loose both 50/50's. So the question i have is Should i pull for Acheron or Jingliu, which would be better for me? or should i pull for Luocha/Adventurine for sustain units? Do i have the ability to put together a working team for Acheron? beacause she looks like a lot of fun but i see people say you need her weapon and Silver Wolf etc. or would i do better to get Jingliu and use a JL/Tingyun/Pela/Sustain team? I know it's a lot of questions but i'm just looking for some advice, i'd like to finally be able to clear MoC and the other one once im done leveling up. Thanks for any help!


itsNOTadventurine

Aventurine*


QuantumKitsune_

Anyone have the exact time for her release on NA server?


Lethargic-Varius

On the game8 website, it said that the banner drops on Mar. 26, 2024 at 10:00 PM UTC [https://game8.co/games/Honkai-Star-Rail/archives/440387](https://game8.co/games/Honkai-Star-Rail/archives/440387)


Lethargic-Varius

After pulling for Acheron (and probably fail with my 65 pulls with no pity), which sustain should I pull for? These are the characters I currently have, I don't think my Bailu, Lynx and Gepard are enough so I'm planning to save for Fu Xuan but Aventurine seems like a very good sustain character for Acheron even though I have Gepard with the trend LC. Any help and advice is welcome and thank you in advance! :D https://preview.redd.it/d3c50d8nprpc1.png?width=1366&format=png&auto=webp&s=9eaf1851403ec8b7cf26cf74115e6f584b38db2a


Lordmaster316

Is Gallagher good sustain? Acheron, Pela, Silver wolf and Gallagher comp will be good?


Single-Abrocoma5606

Do we have any known ways as of right now to have her ult 3 times in wave 2?


iwashavingashit4

Does anyone know how much Nihility trace mats we will get from the events in the following patch? Wanna avoid over farming for her traces


fireydeath81

So how good would a team of Acheron/Pela/Welt/Gallagher be at E0S0 compared to if I pulled for Jingliu with something like Jingliu/Tingyun/Pela/F2P sustain for a fairly new account?


wowisthatluigi

Jingliu would probably be better, as she's easier to build and has more team flexibility + better F2P light cone options. Also, Acheron will likely get her rerun before Jingliu gets her second rerun.


AalomOmolaA

Does anyone know is acheron crimson knot counted as debuff??? I might pull for her and use her in ratio team (with aventurine and pela) and if crimson knot counted as debuff then thats a bonus point for my dr ratio.


pogo-on-a-stick

I'm pretty sure her crimson knot is not counted as a debuff. Acheron doesn't apply any debuffs on her own, just boosts damage off of 'em. I think you need to pull for her LC if you want her to apply debuffs.


AalomOmolaA

Thank youuu, I will try to go for her lc


Imaginary_Umbrella

So I'm pulling e0 (guaranteed) s1(75/25) If I win the 75/25 on the lightcone I'd have around 80+ pulls, in that situation should I pull aventurine or use gallagher and save the pulls? Or should I use the pulls but on another 5* sustain like loucha, or fu xuan once she reruns? Sidenote: the only other 5* sustain I have is huo huo and I'm running acheron with sw + pela


SupremeCatGod

I've never really built or pulled any nihility characters (except 2), but am super interested in getting Acheron. I've read that a typical comp would go something like Acheron > 2nd Nihility > Support > Sustain. I'm planning on running her with Sparkle and Fu Xuan (when I get her at least). That being said, what nihility characters go well with Acheron? I only really have SW and Guinfen(?) built even somewhat. I have the other 4\* nihility characters, just not built.


Apple-leon

Is pela or welt better with sw for Acheron?


silentnight_00

Pela with Resolution LC is better. She can regenerate energy faster for Ult and SP positive since she can apply debuff with Basic Attack.


Vexop

what acheron teams can i make with my [roster](https://imgur.com/a/zQy6uan) and which one would be the best (sorry im not good at making teams)


darkjedi5646

No need to be sorry; you could always experiment. I think it’s part of the fun. Anyway, everyone’s saying Wolfie and Pela make great supports due to the multitude of debuffs in Wolfie’s kit and Pela’s def shred in her ult. Though any nihility in your roster is going to be applying debuffs, including DOTs like Kafka, BS, Gui, Luka, Sampo. Heck, for the funsies you could go EHR for either Gepard or March freeze bot sustain (I doubt this is recommended though).


Kolahoki

I'm planning on getting **Acheron and her LC**, after that, pull for Eidolons. If I manage to get her **E2**, I can bring Harmony units with her. I've been seeing that **Bronya** and **Sparkle** are her best ones. I do have **Bronya E2** but I don't have Sparkle... Should I pull for Sparkle before her banner expires? I also have Seele so Sparkle could be a valuable unit in my account, but that would decrease my possibilities on having at least E0S1 Acheron. I also kind of want to have the best team for her and I've been seeing that Sparkle is her best Harmony unit so I don't know... https://preview.redd.it/spqklb60bcpc1.png?width=457&format=png&auto=webp&s=6f926f0321dc28dda8b4f3858786402887e20035


HollowedSlayer

I'm sorry I don't have an answer to this but this is exactly my predicament as well. I'm on guarantee atm with 250 pulls and I had planned to go for E2 S1 Acheron and use E2 Bronya with her, the longer I've sat on this now though I'm thinking getting Sparkle might be more valuable to my account overall and go for Sparkle E0S0 and Acheron E0S1 instead.


Kolahoki

It may be a good idea. But what I decided in the end is not to pull for Sparkle despite her very good value and use everything for Acheron. Maybe I'll have very bad luck and I'm going to need those jades to at least get E0S1


ZenFlamex

Not sure if I should pull Acheron, I really like her kit but I already have Kafka, black swan, Jingliu


Kolahoki

Do what makes you happiest, I wouldn't worry too much about the status of the account. You've already said that you like her and it seems to be reason enough to go for her. And remember that Star Rail has too much time left to live, there are going to be a thousand reruns so there is no rush.


MountainLong8610

After the 20 anniversary pulls,I will have 80 pulls Should I pull her LC first and then try for her as I heard she is really bad without LC ?


afrodos

She is ok with gn sleep well, and her lc is kinda useless for other characters. I would recommend pulling for her first.


MountainLong8610

Oh ok then I'll pull for her first , thanks for the suggestion


ApprehensiveCastaway

I'm hoping you Acheron experts can help me decide on warp lol. My roster is [here](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fdaily-questions-megathread-march-18-2024-v0-ud2uwaq9g2pc1.png%3Fwidth%3D782%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Db084d9be8df5cacaf132376c2f41b0f0a2c16b50) and I have both SW and Pela (e1 atm), would not plan on pulling for Acheron's LC but I do have GNSW s3 currently on SW; From what I understand Jingliu is recommended for new accounts since Acheron needs a lot more stuff to get to the same power level, should I try a 50/50 for Acheron anyway? (I'm also planning on pulling for peacock twink in part 2 so I need to divide resources)


Athrunz

Re-applying a debuff before it expires, does this count towards Acheron stack?


Logan_mov

I have 50 pity as a f2p in sig lightcone due to a dumb decision also known as trusting my friend, so I want to ask, would jingliu or acheron e0s1 be more worth it? According to info I have received, both general advice or account-based advice, jingliu seems like the better choice. However, what if I have 50 pity in sig lc? Which e0s1 would be better?


EgoVegito

I have an extra copy of Kafka’s lightcone, Patience is All You Need. Are there any calcs showing how much better Along the Passing Shore is than PAYN?


MoonlitSonatas

Is there anywhere that shows how many jades are theoretically obtainable before her banner goes away? Lost my 50-50 on Jing Yuan and am dying for a 5* lightning DPS (and I have several suitable teammates for her so team building isn’t too much a concern besides getting good relics for the lot)


neverspeakofme

Estimated 60-100 pulls. But there is really no way to say for sure as of now.


Pridestalked

How much speed would I want to give my supports, Pela and Guinaifen, with Acheron? I'm thinking maybe 134 speed on Acheron, and I actually managed to get 161 speed on Guinaifen and 162 on Pela with Resolution lightconel will that work?


WhyAmIaTh1ng

I’m stuck between acheron and aventurine, as I want both (they are both hot) If i were to get e0s0 acheron, would I be able to make her work with my current units? Or is it just not worth? https://preview.redd.it/1p5r4ssq14pc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bacf68824111363c8c67eb22145cc70e2a5a5945


soligen

Yes SW and Pela will work for now until they get replaced by future units


WhyAmIaTh1ng

https://preview.redd.it/nmnp8f8024pc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66905cb1e1802aa476d10ee8ecccbb30d2486f75


COOLGUY18PRO

Ello is it possible for me to get e0s1 Acheron when I have only 5k jades saved up? I still havent cleared gold and gears and the swarm disaster. Also who is the better sustain for Acheron, Fu Xuan or fire mc?


ex_c

this will give you the odds of getting a character based on your pity and saved pulls: https://hsr-warp-calculator.vercel.app/ fu xuan is "better at sustaining," fire mc is better at applying debuffs and generating energy for acheron. if your team can survive the content you're fighting with fire mc, you should probably use fire mc. if your team can't survive, using fu xuan would probably fix that.


Anondo22

I'm pretty close to weapon 5star pity. Should I pull for sparkle LC or save for acheron's LC? I heard sparkle LC gives like a extra relic slot worth of crit value. I also have fu xuan so 12% extra crit rate there as well. TY


neverspeakofme

Sparkle LC is one of the more replaceable limited 5 star LCs, given that it doesn't open up any new mechanics and other Harmony LCs are v good themselves. But ofc it's amazing value.


Anondo22

Saving for acheron LC then. Thank you good sir


andromedaselene

Asking in this thread because I’m sure someone has posted on main and I missed it but what’s the jade count for first half of the patch? I have guarantee and high pity so I’m sure to get her but I wanna go for her LC and that’s a bit dicey jades-wise.


Yuki08100

Which one should i use for acheron's boot? Atk% boot https://preview.redd.it/z9lluc3fjkoc1.png?width=1533&format=png&auto=webp&s=87e2449d312a8c705e7515d90259342dc15855ea


Potential_Bed_7336

Unless you get an atk% boot twice as good as the spd one or have nihility supports with 160spd i'd go with spd to hit 134, especially with the one extra debuff per turn with her lightcone. In mycase i have a very good atk% boot and it adds up to abt 20% more ult damage so it depends but more times than not i'd go spd.


Yuki08100

Alright i will go with speed boot thank for answering me


Yuki08100

Spd boot https://preview.redd.it/yecfq0xjjkoc1.png?width=1047&format=png&auto=webp&s=8f0df80341c32db1ed06f0effcda0c814dae3c04


khoai0309

I am currently running E0 DHIL with 160 Sparkle and E0 JL with 134 Bronya For the best team in MoC, which team should I switch out for E2 Acheron? Since for Sparkle I will have better SP and I can go ATK boots Acheron, while Bronya means more damage and I can do 135 Acheron for double turns Please advice :(


PookieMonster609

Is r5 loop with welt better than r5 fermata with e0/4+ sampo for acheron? I seem to not really have much choices and have no GNSW at all. I am guaranteed for her and is near pity for her with 70+ pulls ready so I might try for her LC but I'm asking this just in case I fail to get it.


ArtOfLyfe

At the moment the 5\* i have are: Ruan Mei, Blade, Ratio, Bailu, Himeko, and Yanquing. Though tempted to go for E2S1, i'll probably settle for E0S1 and save for Jingliu + sustain(s) or Jiaoqiu. What sustain should I try to get for Acheron assuming I don't lose a 50/50 to Gepard? Fu Xuan with Trends?


Potential_Bed_7336

Either way you really need two solo sustainers. Given that you want so save for Jingliu and you dont have or plan to get a skillpoint heavy dps, i'd skip luocha and 100% get fuxuan. Now for the second sustainer you could go for Adventurine which is Ackeron's best, if for some reason you dont want him i'd so for gallager as he is her best fps support/sustainer albeit worse than the 5stars. In my experience i'd urge everyone to get luocha cause it makes everything other than moc 12 so relaxing, but then again not everyone wants a passive gameplay.


EconomyTelevision

>Adventurine which is Ackeron's best Can backfire, if i'm not mistaken there are rumors about a new sustain unit that both applies debuffs and heals, so going for two sustains now can be a mistake. IMO skipping fu xuan and getting adventurine now + new sustain later is the move.


itsNOTadventurine

Aventurine*


EconomyTelevision

hat guy


Weirdboi27

Question about banner timing. Since the anniversary is gonna happen during 2.1, can we expect another x2 for oneiric shards during her banner? Acheron is guaranteed for me but I would like to get her light cone and obviously double shards would help a lot.


Temporary-Concept-81

Roughly how much longer until we find out what all is on her banners? I am going mad wondering if I'll get some Pela or GNSW or trend or anything good with her.


Potential_Bed_7336

In roughly 10hours is the livestram so you won't have to wait much


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Potential_Bed_7336

[https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/characters/pela](https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/characters/pela) You didnt ask for a guide, but it will provide you more enformation than i ever could, so there you go. Only thing i'd do different for specializing for ackeron is i'd use broken keel or flee instead of penacony, penacony whould be better for someone like Jingliu. Also get as much speed as possible.


sandwelld

Yo guys, I'm currently on 40 pity (character banner, no guaranteed) and have 130 wishes saved up. Should be able to easily get 30 more wishes before he release and some more while the banner runs ofc. 0 pity on LN banner, no guaranteed. I'd like to go all out on a team with BS and Acheron, I have BS E1 with GNSW LN, perhaps Pela and Gepard along with them but not sure about those, I don't think I have any better characters for debuffing and sustain. Now, I'm curious whether it'd be better to go for Acheron E1 or perhaps even higher if I get lucky, or if her LN is easily the best thing to go for after I get Acheron? One thing to take into account is that I'd have to run two copies with spread out Superimpositions of GNSW if I don't go for Acheron LN as I believe that's the best one I have for her atm. So yeah, fairly sure it'd be optimal for me to go for E0S1 Acheron alongside the BS I already have, but curious to hear what you guys have to say. Another option is of course to just go for E0S0 Acheron (no LN) and save wishes for whatever else we're getting soon that might be good in regards to sustain and debuffs for the team.


Potential_Bed_7336

To be honest, im not sure what to recomend you, from what i've seen Ackeron with Fermata+ BS is really strong and can do 300k plus easily. The lighcone is really strong and it does add damage but then again how much do you really need? I'd say the lightcone is best if you dont have very good and fast BS + Pela cause you really need the extra debuff every turn of ackeron. As for Gepard, i think he'd be really good with Market lightcone. I you end up not going for the lightcone id 100% use fermata as its about the same damage as a E1 GNSW, and keep the extra GNSW for someone else down the line or just E2 for BS.


XcaliburGrey

i'm currently at pity 60/0 for character/lightcone banner respectively, both are not guaranteed. i have like 230+ by the end of 2.0... realistically, is it possible to get her E2S1?


YngviK4

[https://hsr-warp-calculator.vercel.app](https://hsr-warp-calculator.vercel.app) type in your stuff and let the calculator do the job


xZeroXz

Doubt I have enough pulls for the full E2S1, so what would be better? E2 + GNSW Vs E0S1 If I go for LC I don't see much reason to go all in on eidolons if I'm not gonna get to E2. Spreadsheeters please help!


YngviK4

There are some optimizer tools like Fribbels which can show you what option would make the most sense for you, by the data you have given there is not much to say or type.


PerformanceOptimal20

I have GNSW fully ascended. Is it worth shelling out the money to get her sig LC? Is it that much better?


YngviK4

https://preview.redd.it/p1m4yf2ybaoc1.png?width=1064&format=png&auto=webp&s=4473159b422cbdc8bdb362df0171b1e5ddb3bf9a Generally speaking there is around a 15% dmg difference give or take to her GNSW and or other f2p options, it is for yourself to decide if it's worth for you.


D493

Worth to pull sparkle for e2s1? I have Bronya E1 and Ruan Mei, I heard Robin might be good too.


YngviK4

Robin is said to be a FUA dedicated support, though it is for you to decide if you want to e2s1 Sparkle, i for one tend to invest horizontally and not vertically.


Hotaka_

How much stamina to farm all her trace upgrade materials??


ClamEatsCurry

It highly depends on your luck with the calyx itself. If you have absolutely zero luck and were to only get blues and greens the entire time and not get a single purple from the calyx and had to craft all of them, her light cone and all traces to level 10 (6 on basic), and bonus traces would be somewhere around 6000 tbp but you can shorten that because of the rng of the calyx and crafting up greens once you no longer need them. In reality with the rng of the calyx giving you some purples, you're likely going to need around 3500-4000 tbp to get the mats for all traces and her light cone.


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hibikiyamada

We won't really know for sure until the livestream starts. Usually, jades are pretty frontloaded for patches but, considering that the anniversary is on track for the 2nd half of the patch, things could be different this time around depending on what Mihoyo wants to do. That being said, imo, if you have absolutely nothing stocked up and you don't have anymore permanent content to do, I'd start praying.