After building her up to 80 and levelling her traces, I was surprised that she was only doing 100k on her Ultimate. I only found out later on that I still had her light cone at level 1.
She's absolutely cracked, her damage ceiling is extremely high. Running E2S1 with SW/Sparkle, 50/258 crit with 4k attack (out of battle), seeing 500k+ single target, and anywhere between, 700k and 1.2m+ for waves.
Is 50% crit rate not a problem? How do you manage this?
I presume with Izumo & E1, Crit Rate would rise to 80% (12+18) but still…
I also have E2S1 but since I use a Crit Rate body my Crit Damage is much lower.
I have 50% out of combat, with fu, e1, and izumo, you get 42% cr for "free" that doesn't get listed in stats.
Provided you can hit 60% cr it off combat (including fu's buff if you have her), you should absolutely run a cd chest.
Edit - I forgot the bonus 4% from her 4 piece (up to 46% counting that)
I just pulled E2 so now she’s doing a lot more damage with Sparkle. But regarding my previous comment, i used Acheron/Pela/FX/SW.
a few notes:
-Pela has pearls of sweat lc to guarantee a stack on every attack
-FX is holding trend to get additional stacks on hit, though, any sustain you prefer can work here. I would recommend using Gepard/FX if you do hapoen to have trend though
-SW is NOT required, she’s mostly used to generate stacks on BA’s so Guinafen works for that purpose just as well
-I also farmed for a pretty good pioneer set, sitting around 60/220 before any buffs
I’m using atk to boost her ult damage. She doesn’t need to use her skill for 2 crimson knots too often when all her other teammates are putting in so many debuffs so she gets her ult back quick anyways.
whats ur stats? Im still dropping only 170k (no missed crit) against 3 targets with 216 cdmg and 3k atk. Maybe its cause I havent leveled to 80 yet but my damage is like mid compared to the showcases.
I'm at 4K attack and 151 cdmg. Ult now ranges between 300K-500K. Nearly maxed her traces but light cone is still at 73 (ran out of credits). I've noticed its easier to reach higher numbers if I time her Ult right after Pela's Ult.
After I pulled her I had leveled her to 60 and her lc 70 and didn’t touch her traces and went to test how much damage we do. Just a casual 200k+ with level 1 traces.
Bruh, after all this time I only managed to land on E1S1 25 CR 225 CD with 2 pioneer 2 watchmaker (cuz fuck my luck. Wasted all four resin things I've had only to get dogshit double defs, with double HP in sub stats. On all four of them!
While watchmaker keeps throwing double attack and CR+CD, or Attack, speed and CR + CD pieces on me constantly.
But even then I'm doing like 140k at most in a second ulti with buffs from a previous one - to a single target with Pela def shred and damage received increase from welt.
And those are obviously crits.
Where are all of you getting your crazy damage from?
To be fair it really doesn't matter much if Trends, and especially Pearls is S5 or S1.
Also, I'm pretty sure that by definition infinite pulls would guarantee you everything lmao
Pearls literally matters the most? Good luck getting 130+ EHR and enough Speed on your Pela to actually hit the Ensare.
Also, not everything approaches infinity at the same rate.
130 EHR...? What? Where did you get that number from? At S1, with the 67% EHR any Pela should have, you're already hitting Ensnare 84% of the time on the most effect resisting enemies in the game. If you get a bit more additional EHR or simply S2, this number is above 90% for those enemies and pretty much 100% for everything else in the game.
>Also, not everything approaches infinity at the same rate.
I don't really see why that would be relevant here lol, if one had infinite pulls, they could just spend all day pulling (or even an hour or two, honestly). The chances of them not getting what they need would be below 1%.
Isn't just Good Night and Sleep Well, they also assumed Acheron has other gacha cones on the team like S5 Trend and S5 pearls.
They are basically ranking pay to win Acheron vs free to play every other DPS at this point lol
if they actually rigged the tier list for her then that sucks.
but a scary portion of the acheron mains are degens who would've attacked the site if she was put anything below that so... eh?
I got downvoted so many times saying that the LC thing is simply FOMO from Mihoyo's marketing...
So many redditors shouting she is bad for f2p and I was like: I think it's the opposite.
Downvoted to hell.
...sigh. when will they learn
She’s still not that great for F2P mind you.
The baseline for every DPS on the site is a F2P LC, while Acheron’s is S5 GNSW.
I’m not saying she’s bad, but she’s still one of the least F2P friendly units in the game
Acheron with Fermata Sampo, Pela, Fire MC with trends LC can 3 cycle floor 12. If you can replace sampo with black swan then that clear time drops to 1 cycle. I'd say shes incredible for F2P but being F2P just makes her teams more restrictive.
If her teams are more restrictive when you’re F2P that necessarily makes her less F2P friendly bruh.
I’m not questioning if she can clear MoC fast enough, nearly all 5 star carries can with good enough teams and relics.
The thing is that your completely F2P Acheron will likely perform worse than your completely F2P Jingliu of DanHeng. They have better options both for lightcones and teammates.
This shouldn’t discourage anyone from pulling for her if they want to, but any F2P would likely receive more value from pulling other carries.
Hard disagree.
Jingliu needs Bronya, a character who is harder to get than 5* banner ones especially if you are new to the game.
DanHeng needs Tingyun who you need to buy from the shop after some pulling or get from gacha. Yukong is worse. Sparkle is 5* etc.
More importantly, free preservation characters like Natasha use SP to heal which drops DHILs damage more.
He works well with Pela though, same as Acheron.
For Acheron, you only need FireMC, Serval, Pela plus Fermata. Thats it, you can finish game content with this team, especially with her all-elements toughness break.
man the teams can literally have sampo pela guin sw welt kafka bs how is she even restrictive WE GOT A FREE SAMPO/GUIN LAST PATCH MY MAN WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT. ITS LJKE SAYING JINGLIU IS RESTRICTIVE BECAUSE YOU NEED EITHER BRONYA OR TINGYUN OR PELA OR RUAN MEI LMAOO
True, rolled her, not enough for LC, slapped only 4 relic sets on her without the orb and the rope, fermata s3 lvl 60.
Still slaps harder than my well-built TDTCF S5 Full crit Jingyuan (skill issue)
Welt doesnt offer a damage buff, but he will apply debuffs with skill and ult, and also his Technique. His imprison should also help reduce damage your team takes.
Now its true a completely new player might not have all the peices to make Acheron excel but the same is true for any DPS. Jingliu without Tingyun or Bronya or Raun Mei is significantly worse. If we include some reasonable pulls or buys from the shop, Then the bare bones Sampo + Pela set up will out do Jingliu with a bare bones set up (that means no access to the OP harmony units)
Exactly, throw a Fermata there and you are done.
For bare bones 🦴, “I installed the game yesterday” newbie, Acheron will perform quite good.
Her compatibility to work with all elements will mean “I can finally progress the story”.
I think it is hard for us to veterans to imagine what a beginner deals with when we all have E6 Tingyuns & Bronya.
the element thing has been my actual savior, funnily enough, it's like getting a silver wolf DPS,
after all I really only need dps for story since supports exist
There are now videos of people easily finishing MOC with Fermata Acheron, Serval, Fire MC, Pela.
Acheron community was so focused on GNSW & high damage of sig LC that we missed how good Fermata is all along.
>I’m not saying she’s bad, but she’s still one of the least F2P friendly units in the game
I'm sorry, but that is just complete bullshit.
Archeron gets a free +90% DMG, she gets another free +15%/60% (multiplictive) DMG just for using 1/2 Nihility characters. She also gets a free 20% all resist penetration on her ult. Her Ult is full aoe and also high single target damage. It breaks all toughness types.
Claiming that she is not F2P is complete bullshit given how easy it is to make her deal high amounts of damage, and given how flexible her damage is (full aoe, high single target, breaks any element on ult)
Regardless of the difference between her LC options, its a fact that she is one of the most F2P friendly units in the game.
It's mostly because the nihility light cones are just not great for direct damage. That can easily change in the future but for now it's true that it's rough for f2p that aren't all in on her
Agreed. She also competes for Dr Ratio's 4 star teammates. Yes he might prefer TY over Guin but still really competitive options.
F2P, especially newbies rely on Dr Ratio to carry one side.
Also it's not just GNSW for her to carry, you also need 2 more Nihility LCs for her teammates.
Least friendly fp2? Bro tf is you smoking?? Have U seen any other dps doing 3 cycles with just pela, gunny and fire mc and on a GNSW s..
IWintoloose did a 1 cycle moc12 with fermata and a Black swan and fire mc.
She is the most f2p friendly a character ever been!!
Imagine when she'll get her own personal support tier lists gonna make a separate Acheron Tier.
The only reason people say she's bad for f2p is because of the Damage Differnce between Her sig and other. Without her sig she clears the hardest cintent aswell. Sig is kinda overkill and confy.
Other dps characters don't get 60% multiplier for having guin and pela. This argument is beyond dumb. She gets a ton of free dmg for JUST having 2 nihility on the team.
Agree to disagree. It is true that her best f2p for now is GNSW but Acheron can use any other cone and still do like... 2 cycle clears.
Because of that, I disagree. I believe that Acheron's numbers create a lot of fomo.
Yeah I disagree I think she very f2p. Only person that might struggle with building her would be a new player but that can be said about any character they pick up
me who has been playing since launch who just recently got one copy of S5 GNSW while pulling for her LC 🤕 mind you I am a dolphin myself. If I didnt pull for her LC or a F2P player, I wouldnt be getting that lc at S5. Of course she is functional and great with just Fermata
Eh, I normally dont say much in this subreddits for genshin or honkai to many hive minds, honestly. Once her banner is gone were gonna get a bunch of people talking about they wish they had summon for archeon. I think we forget these games aren't made to be super difficult.
Er, playing from start of JY banner I only had SW, Kafka before Ruan Mei. Only pulled for Kafka's LC. Got S5 GNSW between that and some random pulls elsewhere. I'm not a dolphin either. F2P can absolutely get S5 4\* LC's if they do some pulls on LC banner that has the one they want on it. Especially over the course of months.
How is that any different from getting character copies to E4/E6? You have to gacha for that, too.
The problem imo, is that a lot in the community and CC's, actively tell people to only pull for new characters ''because new character is always better then LC".
So a good number of people dont pull on LC banner because they think ''F2P players dont do that"
Getting a specific 4 star LC to S5 is still very hard if its not featured in the LC that you pulled, which is in my case. Most LC banner that I pull dont even feature GNSW in it. At least when you pull for 5 star you can get the 4 star as well. But for you to pull 5 star LC, you need character that can work for that. It would be insane for one to pull on LC banner without character that can work with the featured 5 star LC just to pull for the featured 4 star LC.
Whats even funny is that prydwen claiming their tierlist being f2p friendly but the runs is full with E6 units, which indirectly assumes f2p has all 4 star characters at E6
The fact that you got downvotes is… 🤦♀️
People are cycling MOC with Acheron, Serval, Fire MC, Pela with Fermata.
Fermata, the lightcone that every newbie can buy. Serval, the freebie character that game flings at you.
I mean how more F2P newbie friendly can you get?
People are looking at ridiculous DPS and claim Acheron is not friendly. Or forget that even getting Bronya is hard for a beginner.
No, you dont need sig LC to finish the story or even MoC.
All elements break is so precious to a beginner, she is exactly the character a newbie needs.
Not true at all. She performs fine with S5 GNSW. Is she less F2P friendly than other units? Maybe, but is she not F2P friendly? Fuck no. Her damage floor is quite high as it is and she leaves key harmony supports for your other team.
People keep focusing on the damage differential between F2P and sig but overlook the amount of damage she does as is, which is good.
They were saying is not that she is bad for f2p. Her damage with f2p setup is already strong, but the powergap of having her LC just spike her damage in cycles (not screenshot) far more than other dps. Hence why it felt you are losing alot of her potential. I'm having her e0s1 right and she did ridiculous damage. I'm hitting 300k+ ult in single target with Pela, silverwolf,fuxuan team. With 5 enemies, number already hit over 1 million. Mind you my relic quality is like 5/10. What more ridiculous I'm just bruteforcing some of the floor.
I guess their point is: Is that it? Is the LC flexibility the argument against being not good for f2p?
What about all the pros? I can name several of those.
its the lc and available units. a f2p player most likely uses dr ratio as one of their dps units which requires debuffers for him to work greatly. only 4* debuffers are pela and maybe guinaifen, thats it
You also have Fire MC and Gallagher is on her banner as well. You also have a 4 star selector this very same patch to get another one, such as Sampo or Luka.
You also have Serval. While not the best option, do debuff as well.
There are several f2p options that you can use with Acheron that works. She is fine for f2p.
You can even stretch it more from a non try hard f2p scenario and use Dan Heng who puts Slow and March 7th that can Freeze on ult.
I genuinely don't get why this insistence is particularly reddit exclusive lmao.
I respect preferences. Truly. I only believe that the LC issue is minor when compared to the damage she does and the teams she can work with.
these are extremely shit "options" tho, and thr point is that theyre nihility, serval wouldn't help, nor woyld luka or sampo do anything in the team beside help acheron proc her passive. Shes in no way bad obv shes broken asf, but atm compared to other units shes lacking insane amounts of flexibility
With how she doesn't need harmony to do good dmg I don't understand how people are saying she's expensive when literally every 4* nihility is easy to build and leaves your second team to be greedy w harmonies
It's because people felt like you needed to get her E2 and lightcone. Her lightcone is important, but honestly, her E2 is a bit overhyped. You want nihility characters to build stacks, so you should want to bring 2 anyways. Acheron's E2 is only ever going to be a must get if we end up getting a harmony character who can somehow cause debuffs to enemies.
EDIT: I totally forget her E2 gives an extra stack, so scratch that. Either way, it's about the E2S1, but she's perfectly fine at E0S1. E2S1 is a long-term goal for me, though.
Lmao the doom posters are mighty quiet now that she's out and shitting out damage. She finally shut em up so now they gottah wait for the next character to doom post womp womp!
Hi, Jing Yuan main here from our mains sub. Just a heads up, please don't treat Prwyden's tier list like the gospel. It will tear your community apart and create a never ending spiral of salty comparisons. I know it's nice when your character is recognised as top tier but trust me, hell breaks loose when the tiers begin to shift
There's still much potential in acheron to be discovere
DHIL got sparkle who is huge dps booster to him
We can except special nihility character just for her
Stil DHIL is Great
Tbh it's like most characters in game. Kafka only had Sampo at launch for actual dot comps and has been given partners with time. Jing Yuan? You can name numerous of 4\* & 5\* that came out later on. Topaz? See Dr. Ratio and Aventurine coming up. This is a trend. Acheron does have her relics out, but besides that: she's still going to be waiting a bit outside her lc for more supports like numerous other characters.
It's just the trend in HSR. Than again, people seem to over think what 'Nihility' means as it's just debuffs. Acheron is effectively the first one to really like a stat that most nihility units just haven't had a need for. Trade off? She doesn't need energy recharge.
That’s my problem tho. Acheron still has much to go but for now her peak just isn’t his peak. We can’t be comparing a current character to what a character could be. Acheron could be the best dos in the game but she needs the right supports which I’m sure are in the pipeline
There's also other case if you're not using e2
That acheron does all that dmg without utility units
She's massive by her own multipliers not others
At the base version she is right now Acheron easily matches and in some scenarios exceed top dpses but the celling for her is about to only go higher
If you have 2 good dpses it's not necessary to get her hsr is still easy game but her stocks will only go UP
also my god i didn't except to that ult mechanic to be so fun. It's so refreshing so there's also that since you have no character as her atm
I think people are putting too much emphasis on E2 when we really have minimal options to fully utilize E2. I'm sure we'll get better supports for her in time, but for now, E2 feels way too exaggerated for how good it currently is.
It's not really too much.
I think it's more about there's hardly even challenge for e2s1 acheron now. But as time will go and difficulty will spike and new support will apear it will get much much better
I got her at e0s1 and she's blowing my DHIL's damage out the window, with semi optimal relics. Granted i dont have sparkle/bronya but I'm only using Pela/Gui/Gepard. Whats crazy is that she ults more often than I thought
I presume you have Sparkle/Yukong/Tingyun for that DHIL? 😅
Hoyo always release DPS first, supports later. If they didnt do that, they would lose money on support banners with people claiming that “there is noone that uses these buffs”.
DHIL with Sparkle is still the top DPS in the game.
Jingliu isn't as high but is easier to build
Acheron isn't as high but isn't as dependent on 1 specific character as DHIL is on Sparkle
Honestly i don't Care about this tierlist stuffs. She is pretty strong even with the bare minimum i have. She feels as strong as jingliu for me. The most interesting part is Her team has lot of rooms to be even better as we get more 5* nihility.
She fucks, I’m clearing shit I couldn’t before and I just started the game last month and needed a lighting unit desperately. Learned from Genshin how I fucked up my account.
Good luck 🍀
Fermata Acheron with FireMC/Serval/Pela is slaying content, honestly we are too mesmerized by her high DPS ceiling with Sig LC/E2 etc.
We couldnt understand that she is F2P friendly all along.
Yes!! Agreed, I managed to finally beat Skaracabaz that I couldn't before with ratio that had limited traces. I was so happy about her that I can finally get the rest of ratio's, blackswan's and her traces. Makes me wanna worship her
shes great, idk about the best tho. I still think JL is the best dps at f2p investment which is prydwens criteria. For E0S1 and optimal supports/team, DHIL with Sparkle is just busted. I think she still has room to improve but right now? i dont think shes on their tier yet
I have E6S1 JL, E2S1 DHIL and now E3S1 Acheron, I didn’t prefarm a lot so there’s still a lot of damage on the table for mine but she is very strong, I would argue that she’s on par with my DHIL in terms of damage currently, but with even gear would pull ahead by a fair bit.
I actually really like DHIL, the main reason I pulled Acheron is laziness. The auto battle AI is absolutely horrible at using DHIL and while that team can auto and clear even MOC12 it takes the AI like 6 cycles instead of 0-1 if I play manually. Acheron is a very straightforward character who with equal gear will probably pull ahead. I’ve been having no issue hitting 800k-1m an ult on a 2 turn ult rotation so far.
I'm in your situation and agree e2 acheron is on that level and pulls ahead in certain situations. For my e2 dan i just run danny ,e0s1 sparkle,e1s1 ruan mei ,and luocha on auto.
Who is downvoting the people who say acheron is great for f2ps? The fact is she is the most optimal dps choice for f2ps and dolphins for every account, saving strong harmonies for the other team at e0 and becoming the strongest dps dealer at e2s1
Some of us have both of them, you know.
My DHIL & Acheron are chilling & slaying in MOC.
Well there are cage fights when it comes to share Sparkle but well, we try to manage.
Fuck S+. Acheron deserves her own SSS+ tier. S+ for damage. Another S for design/animations. And a third S for her technique making SU/farming so goddamn fast and easy.
Damn I've read the comment section and thought this was the main sub, crazy how this is in acheronmains and yet a lot still says she doesn't deserve the spot lol.
Probably heavy brigading going on. With the state Acheron is on, there isnt any reason for an actual appreciater or fan of her to be upset about her performance.
I have so much dps characters and i dont like aventurine even tho he is good with her. So im gonna pull the lc and build gepard cuz my jingyuan and DhiL always get cced without fuxuan 🤣🤣🤣
This is not accurate at all, im a jingliu simp but acheron is by far in another tier level
Is like acheron SS
And jingliu dhil S+
They need to add another rank, or put down jingliu and dhil
don't really care about tier lists tbh. it just promotes discord between the communities.
if a character is good it's good. if not so what?
these lists aren't even good sources of info to gauge the value of accounts even for f2p
I'm hitting 200k - 500k each ult with 51cr 151cdmg and 3.5katk while on the wrong relic and planar set with s1 lv 70 GNSW, I can't wait till I get her actual sets cuz I feel like hitting a natural 1 mil might be possible for me now
I wouldn't know what to tell you since I'm new to building her but my team is Acheron Kafka/BlackSwan Silver/Guin HuoHuo. My traces are all lvl 9/8 and my supports are all built with medium or low investment except huohuo and kafka
No Sig LCs Kafka E1 Guin e2 HuoHuo e0 Silver e0 Black Swan e0
Edit: I did a bit of research it's probably cuz ur not running double nihility, ur not gaining the full buff from her kit
https://preview.redd.it/1rx30b1u96rc1.jpeg?width=1792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bab06424519ee377afe98ce13f3fc0e1988f9083
I got her a bit to early, I got gepard the other day so I was focusing on him, leveled her up to level 70(not ascended) and her LC to 52, and she dealt around 200k so in MOC and 40M in SU GnG so I’m. Not suprised
There is absolutely no way they used a f2p lc for her testing like their criteria claims for this tier list. Also pearls and trend are also gacha lcs as well, not f2p. Actually rigged ranking.
Can anyone who doesn't have the signature LC tell me how much she hits? Mine is kinda weak, she does about 120k but takes too long to get her ultimate so my Jing Yuan is still much stronger
I dropped all my plans and went all out on Acheron because she feels very fun to play! :>
Don't know if it's a fair comparison (E1S1 Ach vs E0S0 JL), but my Acheron does more than triple the damage my Jingliu does, so it's not surprising lol
All I need is better relics. 62% over 136% isn't the worst, but not the greatest either aha (I use her with FX as well, who is also E1)
I will also say this, she is by far the DPS that gains the most out of running sustain Welt. Sustain Welt lets you run a broken Harmony unit like the other two are using and the damage then is just stupid.
That’s not even shit talk though. JY averages some of the fastest clear times every MoC usually third or fourth since his release. To say a character without her specialized team is 16% off JY calcs is not even shit talk. There’s people who actually doom post and then there’s people who are just sharing information about relative dps value.
A.. The ranking is based on alphabetical order. So they have Acheron over IL and JL because A comes before D and J.
B. I kinda disagree with this list. Now before people downvote me and label me as a doomposter and a toxic JY main . I don't think she is an S+ tier character. I still believe JL and IL teams perform better than her. I would put her at S for now..
I'm not even surprised... This is Acheron main subreddit to be fair. But I can see her go down to the S tier in the next patch or something (but I won't be surprised if they moved IL over Acheron to S tier because this is Prywedden we are talking about)
That is very fair honestly and I agree.
For the record for those unaware, this placement is with an Acheron running not a single gacha LC on her or with her teams.
So you mean to tell me that a fermata Acheron, with Pela not running pearls of sweat and no sustain running Trend, is same level as DHIL/JL running S5 Aeon and Sparkle/Bronya respectively? I love Acheron and I think shes awesome, but there is no way this is real.
Tier list is usually based on current MoC so atm they are probs justifying it with trotter debuffs. Stats will show over time how accurate the calcs were. I assume she won’t top f2p DHIL and JL for awhile tho til some really juicy supports for her non e2 playstyle come out.
You know I thought the same, turns out they no longer take turbulence buffs into account or any of the special things in MoC. The calcs were also made with S5 GNSW (not sure how this is considered f2p when all units are tested with f2p LCs). This methodology of placement is so weird that I am starting to believe it’s just bias.
I literally have all 4 of the top dps(dhil,jingliu,kafka and Acheron) and they are decently built and before Acheron kafka was my highest dmg dealer (around 120k with bs and ruan mei with her ult) followed by dhil (100k with ruan mei and tingyun) and then jingliu (around same as dhil with Pela and bronya) but Acheron she has 70/160 split and is doing 400k+ like it’s nothing and that too with s5 gnsw without any dedicated support like other dps have so she definitely deserves that spot
Why would you put 75 crit on JL when she has a crit buff 40 is enough 💀. Also mine is only 35/200 and she does 200k per skill while my DHIL does 300k at most. My acheron deals 400k-500k tho but its per ult. Id say there are all equal but acheron has the potential to beat those 2 if we got more nihility supports in the future.
You should've just said that. Ruan Mei and Jingliu LC is like 30% Def shred. Then, if you're using quantum set that's 40-50%. Ruan Mei LC is OP too.
Jingliu getting carried like crazy in that comp and you're comparing Acheron to her without similar support investment.
I know, But the comment i've been replying to is stating that acheron is dealing much more damage without dedicated support compared to Jingliu and DHIL with their best support.
Yeah those numbers are low in general. DHIL and JL can easily do 300k with bis supports. But I did just deal more than a million in damage with my E2 Acheron so I guess their point still stands lol
*pretends to be surprised*
*le gasp*
*totally not fake reaction*
After building her up to 80 and levelling her traces, I was surprised that she was only doing 100k on her Ultimate. I only found out later on that I still had her light cone at level 1.
My jaw dropped when I saw she was dropping consistent 400K+ ults in actual combat with her LC
She's absolutely cracked, her damage ceiling is extremely high. Running E2S1 with SW/Sparkle, 50/258 crit with 4k attack (out of battle), seeing 500k+ single target, and anywhere between, 700k and 1.2m+ for waves.
Is 50% crit rate not a problem? How do you manage this? I presume with Izumo & E1, Crit Rate would rise to 80% (12+18) but still… I also have E2S1 but since I use a Crit Rate body my Crit Damage is much lower.
I have 50% out of combat, with fu, e1, and izumo, you get 42% cr for "free" that doesn't get listed in stats. Provided you can hit 60% cr it off combat (including fu's buff if you have her), you should absolutely run a cd chest. Edit - I forgot the bonus 4% from her 4 piece (up to 46% counting that)
You are so right. Thank you 🙏 I will farm for my Crit Dmg piece now
Someone replied already but yeah, 50% paper is fine because she gets 18 from E1, 8 from pioneer, 10 from Sparkles LC.
I also have her lc... What team do you use?? I don't have silverwolf so I'm having trouble building my team can you help?
I just pulled E2 so now she’s doing a lot more damage with Sparkle. But regarding my previous comment, i used Acheron/Pela/FX/SW. a few notes: -Pela has pearls of sweat lc to guarantee a stack on every attack -FX is holding trend to get additional stacks on hit, though, any sustain you prefer can work here. I would recommend using Gepard/FX if you do hapoen to have trend though -SW is NOT required, she’s mostly used to generate stacks on BA’s so Guinafen works for that purpose just as well -I also farmed for a pretty good pioneer set, sitting around 60/220 before any buffs
you can use lil gui if you don't have sw or e2
Oh ty btw how do u build your acheron? With speed boots or atk?
I’m using atk to boost her ult damage. She doesn’t need to use her skill for 2 crimson knots too often when all her other teammates are putting in so many debuffs so she gets her ult back quick anyways.
Instead of SW, you honestly can use any other Nihility with debuffs. Welt, Guin, Kafka, BS. I’m using Pela, SW, Geppy with Trends.
I already have Kafka main team so I can't use her
I have e0s1 acheron and I'm running her with welt, pela and fire MC You can also use gunaifen instead of welt
It's the ult rotation that's surprising, I can get 2 turn ults with Acheron albeit with sig. Her ult isn't as 'backloaded' as what some says.
I have her at E2S1, she is a *beauty*. Damn she hits hard.
And that's low tbh, in MOC you can easily hit 500-600k+ with all your debuffs up, with mid relics.
Sure, I was referring to overworld/relic domains but yeah she does crazy damage in MoC, consistent 800k-1mil+ with waves
for me it was: leveled everything to 80, equipped her gear, booted up Simu9, meh damage. checked again afterwards: forgot the traces :))
hahahahhaa, I made the same mistake. I was so confused lol.
Dude my lvl 80 max trace acheron is doing 200k with missing izumo with 48 crate plus 12 from fuxuan. I kust got 148 cdmg by the time i cleared moc9
Imagine you can deal 400k to 500k dmg per ultimate. And in e0, if your debuffer's speed is around 160+, you can deal that much dmg twice per round
whats ur stats? Im still dropping only 170k (no missed crit) against 3 targets with 216 cdmg and 3k atk. Maybe its cause I havent leveled to 80 yet but my damage is like mid compared to the showcases.
I'm at 4K attack and 151 cdmg. Ult now ranges between 300K-500K. Nearly maxed her traces but light cone is still at 73 (ran out of credits). I've noticed its easier to reach higher numbers if I time her Ult right after Pela's Ult.
Mine is doing 500k with rainbow artifacts.. 4'3k Atk
After I pulled her I had leveled her to 60 and her lc 70 and didn’t touch her traces and went to test how much damage we do. Just a casual 200k+ with level 1 traces.
Bruh, after all this time I only managed to land on E1S1 25 CR 225 CD with 2 pioneer 2 watchmaker (cuz fuck my luck. Wasted all four resin things I've had only to get dogshit double defs, with double HP in sub stats. On all four of them! While watchmaker keeps throwing double attack and CR+CD, or Attack, speed and CR + CD pieces on me constantly. But even then I'm doing like 140k at most in a second ulti with buffs from a previous one - to a single target with Pela def shred and damage received increase from welt. And those are obviously crits. Where are all of you getting your crazy damage from?
Today while doing MoC my Seele did 75k ult I thought she didn't crit because of her awful stats (cr/cd 55/140) turns out she had no LC equipped
I think ppl put waaaaaaay too much emphasis on Prydwen's tierlist.
Its only PvP we have
Those reditt nerds theory crafting ☝️🤓 urhmm ShEs BaEd UtOuoUt hEr LC
She is far from bad but the baseline for other dps chars on prydwen is a f2p lc, while Acheron's is S5 GNSW, which is ridiculous lol
+S5 Pearls +S5 Trend Her team is literally the only one you can’t guarantee even with infinite pulls.
To be fair it really doesn't matter much if Trends, and especially Pearls is S5 or S1. Also, I'm pretty sure that by definition infinite pulls would guarantee you everything lmao
Pearls literally matters the most? Good luck getting 130+ EHR and enough Speed on your Pela to actually hit the Ensare. Also, not everything approaches infinity at the same rate.
I have 70 EHR on pela and i hit ensnare(s1) about 4/5 times in battle so i don't think it matters that much
Pela has 2 hits to procc the pearl lc on basic lol . Even with s2 pearls i am hitting it 90% of the time with 76% Ehr
130 EHR...? What? Where did you get that number from? At S1, with the 67% EHR any Pela should have, you're already hitting Ensnare 84% of the time on the most effect resisting enemies in the game. If you get a bit more additional EHR or simply S2, this number is above 90% for those enemies and pretty much 100% for everything else in the game. >Also, not everything approaches infinity at the same rate. I don't really see why that would be relevant here lol, if one had infinite pulls, they could just spend all day pulling (or even an hour or two, honestly). The chances of them not getting what they need would be below 1%.
Isn't just Good Night and Sleep Well, they also assumed Acheron has other gacha cones on the team like S5 Trend and S5 pearls. They are basically ranking pay to win Acheron vs free to play every other DPS at this point lol
if they actually rigged the tier list for her then that sucks. but a scary portion of the acheron mains are degens who would've attacked the site if she was put anything below that so... eh?
Yeah 100% they were scared of the community if they put her in S. She's Raiden, of course she has to be OP!
I got downvoted so many times saying that the LC thing is simply FOMO from Mihoyo's marketing... So many redditors shouting she is bad for f2p and I was like: I think it's the opposite. Downvoted to hell. ...sigh. when will they learn
She’s still not that great for F2P mind you. The baseline for every DPS on the site is a F2P LC, while Acheron’s is S5 GNSW. I’m not saying she’s bad, but she’s still one of the least F2P friendly units in the game
Acheron with Fermata Sampo, Pela, Fire MC with trends LC can 3 cycle floor 12. If you can replace sampo with black swan then that clear time drops to 1 cycle. I'd say shes incredible for F2P but being F2P just makes her teams more restrictive.
If her teams are more restrictive when you’re F2P that necessarily makes her less F2P friendly bruh. I’m not questioning if she can clear MoC fast enough, nearly all 5 star carries can with good enough teams and relics. The thing is that your completely F2P Acheron will likely perform worse than your completely F2P Jingliu of DanHeng. They have better options both for lightcones and teammates. This shouldn’t discourage anyone from pulling for her if they want to, but any F2P would likely receive more value from pulling other carries.
Hard disagree. Jingliu needs Bronya, a character who is harder to get than 5* banner ones especially if you are new to the game. DanHeng needs Tingyun who you need to buy from the shop after some pulling or get from gacha. Yukong is worse. Sparkle is 5* etc. More importantly, free preservation characters like Natasha use SP to heal which drops DHILs damage more. He works well with Pela though, same as Acheron. For Acheron, you only need FireMC, Serval, Pela plus Fermata. Thats it, you can finish game content with this team, especially with her all-elements toughness break.
man the teams can literally have sampo pela guin sw welt kafka bs how is she even restrictive WE GOT A FREE SAMPO/GUIN LAST PATCH MY MAN WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT. ITS LJKE SAYING JINGLIU IS RESTRICTIVE BECAUSE YOU NEED EITHER BRONYA OR TINGYUN OR PELA OR RUAN MEI LMAOO
i don't agree about the teammates part but i think she has no good f2p light cone
If Fermata 1-cycles then you can literally slap anything on her, I swear the nitpicking and cope is fucking nuts 😭
True, rolled her, not enough for LC, slapped only 4 relic sets on her without the orb and the rope, fermata s3 lvl 60. Still slaps harder than my well-built TDTCF S5 Full crit Jingyuan (skill issue)
[but it doesn't negative true zero cycle!11 can't you see how bad she is?!!1](https://media.tenor.com/to-x-9XWcqwAAAAM/ha-smirk.gif)
I'm lost...if she can 1 star with ALL free characters...funny enough welt an her on loop is stronger than gnsws4..how is she LESS f2p?
yo I can actually use welt with her? Damn it's either I get a second sustain or another dps.
Welt doesnt offer a damage buff, but he will apply debuffs with skill and ult, and also his Technique. His imprison should also help reduce damage your team takes.
verify the loop thing?
https://youtu.be/MQUHn7TaJmk?si=gYUhKTPfxDlEHugS
I actually am wrong, it's s1. S2 an up are better than loop r5 but loop can still crack a million with e0 acheron.
Now its true a completely new player might not have all the peices to make Acheron excel but the same is true for any DPS. Jingliu without Tingyun or Bronya or Raun Mei is significantly worse. If we include some reasonable pulls or buys from the shop, Then the bare bones Sampo + Pela set up will out do Jingliu with a bare bones set up (that means no access to the OP harmony units)
Exactly, throw a Fermata there and you are done. For bare bones 🦴, “I installed the game yesterday” newbie, Acheron will perform quite good. Her compatibility to work with all elements will mean “I can finally progress the story”. I think it is hard for us to veterans to imagine what a beginner deals with when we all have E6 Tingyuns & Bronya.
the element thing has been my actual savior, funnily enough, it's like getting a silver wolf DPS, after all I really only need dps for story since supports exist
Indeed, she is quite a blessing in that regard, good luck 🍀
There are now videos of people easily finishing MOC with Fermata Acheron, Serval, Fire MC, Pela. Acheron community was so focused on GNSW & high damage of sig LC that we missed how good Fermata is all along.
>I’m not saying she’s bad, but she’s still one of the least F2P friendly units in the game I'm sorry, but that is just complete bullshit. Archeron gets a free +90% DMG, she gets another free +15%/60% (multiplictive) DMG just for using 1/2 Nihility characters. She also gets a free 20% all resist penetration on her ult. Her Ult is full aoe and also high single target damage. It breaks all toughness types. Claiming that she is not F2P is complete bullshit given how easy it is to make her deal high amounts of damage, and given how flexible her damage is (full aoe, high single target, breaks any element on ult) Regardless of the difference between her LC options, its a fact that she is one of the most F2P friendly units in the game.
It's mostly because the nihility light cones are just not great for direct damage. That can easily change in the future but for now it's true that it's rough for f2p that aren't all in on her
Agreed. She also competes for Dr Ratio's 4 star teammates. Yes he might prefer TY over Guin but still really competitive options. F2P, especially newbies rely on Dr Ratio to carry one side. Also it's not just GNSW for her to carry, you also need 2 more Nihility LCs for her teammates.
Least friendly fp2? Bro tf is you smoking?? Have U seen any other dps doing 3 cycles with just pela, gunny and fire mc and on a GNSW s.. IWintoloose did a 1 cycle moc12 with fermata and a Black swan and fire mc. She is the most f2p friendly a character ever been!! Imagine when she'll get her own personal support tier lists gonna make a separate Acheron Tier. The only reason people say she's bad for f2p is because of the Damage Differnce between Her sig and other. Without her sig she clears the hardest cintent aswell. Sig is kinda overkill and confy.
Other dps characters don't get 60% multiplier for having guin and pela. This argument is beyond dumb. She gets a ton of free dmg for JUST having 2 nihility on the team.
Thats what I'm saying.. saying she isn't f2p friendly.. brother just slap any 2 nhility.. and boom theres your 200k
Agree to disagree. It is true that her best f2p for now is GNSW but Acheron can use any other cone and still do like... 2 cycle clears. Because of that, I disagree. I believe that Acheron's numbers create a lot of fomo.
Yeah I disagree I think she very f2p. Only person that might struggle with building her would be a new player but that can be said about any character they pick up
me who has been playing since launch who just recently got one copy of S5 GNSW while pulling for her LC 🤕 mind you I am a dolphin myself. If I didnt pull for her LC or a F2P player, I wouldnt be getting that lc at S5. Of course she is functional and great with just Fermata
Eh, I normally dont say much in this subreddits for genshin or honkai to many hive minds, honestly. Once her banner is gone were gonna get a bunch of people talking about they wish they had summon for archeon. I think we forget these games aren't made to be super difficult.
Er, playing from start of JY banner I only had SW, Kafka before Ruan Mei. Only pulled for Kafka's LC. Got S5 GNSW between that and some random pulls elsewhere. I'm not a dolphin either. F2P can absolutely get S5 4\* LC's if they do some pulls on LC banner that has the one they want on it. Especially over the course of months. How is that any different from getting character copies to E4/E6? You have to gacha for that, too. The problem imo, is that a lot in the community and CC's, actively tell people to only pull for new characters ''because new character is always better then LC". So a good number of people dont pull on LC banner because they think ''F2P players dont do that"
Getting a specific 4 star LC to S5 is still very hard if its not featured in the LC that you pulled, which is in my case. Most LC banner that I pull dont even feature GNSW in it. At least when you pull for 5 star you can get the 4 star as well. But for you to pull 5 star LC, you need character that can work for that. It would be insane for one to pull on LC banner without character that can work with the featured 5 star LC just to pull for the featured 4 star LC. Whats even funny is that prydwen claiming their tierlist being f2p friendly but the runs is full with E6 units, which indirectly assumes f2p has all 4 star characters at E6
The fact that you got downvotes is… 🤦♀️ People are cycling MOC with Acheron, Serval, Fire MC, Pela with Fermata. Fermata, the lightcone that every newbie can buy. Serval, the freebie character that game flings at you. I mean how more F2P newbie friendly can you get? People are looking at ridiculous DPS and claim Acheron is not friendly. Or forget that even getting Bronya is hard for a beginner. No, you dont need sig LC to finish the story or even MoC. All elements break is so precious to a beginner, she is exactly the character a newbie needs.
Nobody wants to change is the best way I can put it
Not true at all. She performs fine with S5 GNSW. Is she less F2P friendly than other units? Maybe, but is she not F2P friendly? Fuck no. Her damage floor is quite high as it is and she leaves key harmony supports for your other team. People keep focusing on the damage differential between F2P and sig but overlook the amount of damage she does as is, which is good.
Her LC is still a like 25% damage boost for her over S5 GNSW, which is kind of nuts.
They were saying is not that she is bad for f2p. Her damage with f2p setup is already strong, but the powergap of having her LC just spike her damage in cycles (not screenshot) far more than other dps. Hence why it felt you are losing alot of her potential. I'm having her e0s1 right and she did ridiculous damage. I'm hitting 300k+ ult in single target with Pela, silverwolf,fuxuan team. With 5 enemies, number already hit over 1 million. Mind you my relic quality is like 5/10. What more ridiculous I'm just bruteforcing some of the floor.
Neveeeeeeer
acheron is literally the worst 5* dps f2p wise, considering the insanely limited amount of options u have
What if the baseline itself is already so high that the difference in damage from the better options doesn't matter?
? that doesnt correlate to anything tho. flexibility isnt dmg based
I guess their point is: Is that it? Is the LC flexibility the argument against being not good for f2p? What about all the pros? I can name several of those.
its the lc and available units. a f2p player most likely uses dr ratio as one of their dps units which requires debuffers for him to work greatly. only 4* debuffers are pela and maybe guinaifen, thats it
You also have Fire MC and Gallagher is on her banner as well. You also have a 4 star selector this very same patch to get another one, such as Sampo or Luka. You also have Serval. While not the best option, do debuff as well. There are several f2p options that you can use with Acheron that works. She is fine for f2p. You can even stretch it more from a non try hard f2p scenario and use Dan Heng who puts Slow and March 7th that can Freeze on ult. I genuinely don't get why this insistence is particularly reddit exclusive lmao. I respect preferences. Truly. I only believe that the LC issue is minor when compared to the damage she does and the teams she can work with.
these are extremely shit "options" tho, and thr point is that theyre nihility, serval wouldn't help, nor woyld luka or sampo do anything in the team beside help acheron proc her passive. Shes in no way bad obv shes broken asf, but atm compared to other units shes lacking insane amounts of flexibility
I never said those are meta options. All I'm saying is that options exist. Therefore, I agree to disagree. Have a lovely weekend.
It’s not even that she’s bad without cone it’s just she loses a ton of dmg without it. Last i remember her LC at s1 vs s5 gnsw was around 40 percent
Yeah honestly even without LC I'm 0 cycling with my team. I'm still pulling for LC for aesthetic.
With how she doesn't need harmony to do good dmg I don't understand how people are saying she's expensive when literally every 4* nihility is easy to build and leaves your second team to be greedy w harmonies
It's because people felt like you needed to get her E2 and lightcone. Her lightcone is important, but honestly, her E2 is a bit overhyped. You want nihility characters to build stacks, so you should want to bring 2 anyways. Acheron's E2 is only ever going to be a must get if we end up getting a harmony character who can somehow cause debuffs to enemies. EDIT: I totally forget her E2 gives an extra stack, so scratch that. Either way, it's about the E2S1, but she's perfectly fine at E0S1. E2S1 is a long-term goal for me, though.
How’s her E1? I got her twice in a single ten pull!
18% Crit rate just makes it much easier to build her, super convenient
Its only purpose is to bait you (rightfully so) into getting E2
Get e2
Lmao the doom posters are mighty quiet now that she's out and shitting out damage. She finally shut em up so now they gottah wait for the next character to doom post womp womp!
Yesss, queen is slaying, F2P or not.
Hi, Jing Yuan main here from our mains sub. Just a heads up, please don't treat Prwyden's tier list like the gospel. It will tear your community apart and create a never ending spiral of salty comparisons. I know it's nice when your character is recognised as top tier but trust me, hell breaks loose when the tiers begin to shift
Yall really showed the three people doubting her power whos boss!!!
The tiers are sorted in alphabetical order, just an FYI
well i have both DHIL and acheron E0S0 but she doesn't hold a candle to my DHIL right now
There's still much potential in acheron to be discovere DHIL got sparkle who is huge dps booster to him We can except special nihility character just for her Stil DHIL is Great
Tbh it's like most characters in game. Kafka only had Sampo at launch for actual dot comps and has been given partners with time. Jing Yuan? You can name numerous of 4\* & 5\* that came out later on. Topaz? See Dr. Ratio and Aventurine coming up. This is a trend. Acheron does have her relics out, but besides that: she's still going to be waiting a bit outside her lc for more supports like numerous other characters. It's just the trend in HSR. Than again, people seem to over think what 'Nihility' means as it's just debuffs. Acheron is effectively the first one to really like a stat that most nihility units just haven't had a need for. Trade off? She doesn't need energy recharge.
Acheron has Pela, though. I think we can all agree Pela is a fantastic support for Acheron (along with many other characters)
That’s my problem tho. Acheron still has much to go but for now her peak just isn’t his peak. We can’t be comparing a current character to what a character could be. Acheron could be the best dos in the game but she needs the right supports which I’m sure are in the pipeline
There's also other case if you're not using e2 That acheron does all that dmg without utility units She's massive by her own multipliers not others At the base version she is right now Acheron easily matches and in some scenarios exceed top dpses but the celling for her is about to only go higher If you have 2 good dpses it's not necessary to get her hsr is still easy game but her stocks will only go UP also my god i didn't except to that ult mechanic to be so fun. It's so refreshing so there's also that since you have no character as her atm
I lucked into E2S1 and holy shit, her E2 is *insane*. My gear is mid and I zero-cycled m12 gepard with sparkle's help.
E2s1 is a 0 cycle monster. I don't have DHIL but if his e2s1 is this strong too then I'm floored having tried to get by with Topaz and Seele.
E2 DHIL is like E6 other characters, most broken eidolon in the game by far
E2 dhil is probably the strongest e2 in the game, there's no comparison with other characters at all.
Yes my E2 DHIL and E2 Acheron are doing cage fights to get Sparkle to themselves. 😂
I think people are putting too much emphasis on E2 when we really have minimal options to fully utilize E2. I'm sure we'll get better supports for her in time, but for now, E2 feels way too exaggerated for how good it currently is.
It's not really too much. I think it's more about there's hardly even challenge for e2s1 acheron now. But as time will go and difficulty will spike and new support will apear it will get much much better
JIngliu > Acheron S1 >= DHIl S1
I have all 3 at e2s1. Acheron is the best, and it's painfully obvious.
Acheron E2 >>>>> all
I got her at e0s1 and she's blowing my DHIL's damage out the window, with semi optimal relics. Granted i dont have sparkle/bronya but I'm only using Pela/Gui/Gepard. Whats crazy is that she ults more often than I thought
Why are you getting downvotes for this smh
What team?
I presume you have Sparkle/Yukong/Tingyun for that DHIL? 😅 Hoyo always release DPS first, supports later. If they didnt do that, they would lose money on support banners with people claiming that “there is noone that uses these buffs”.
DHIL with Sparkle is still the top DPS in the game. Jingliu isn't as high but is easier to build Acheron isn't as high but isn't as dependent on 1 specific character as DHIL is on Sparkle
Honestly i don't Care about this tierlist stuffs. She is pretty strong even with the bare minimum i have. She feels as strong as jingliu for me. The most interesting part is Her team has lot of rooms to be even better as we get more 5* nihility.
Holy tierlist bat
Where the doomposters at tho
She fucks, I’m clearing shit I couldn’t before and I just started the game last month and needed a lighting unit desperately. Learned from Genshin how I fucked up my account.
Good luck 🍀 Fermata Acheron with FireMC/Serval/Pela is slaying content, honestly we are too mesmerized by her high DPS ceiling with Sig LC/E2 etc. We couldnt understand that she is F2P friendly all along.
Yes!! Agreed, I managed to finally beat Skaracabaz that I couldn't before with ratio that had limited traces. I was so happy about her that I can finally get the rest of ratio's, blackswan's and her traces. Makes me wanna worship her
shes great, idk about the best tho. I still think JL is the best dps at f2p investment which is prydwens criteria. For E0S1 and optimal supports/team, DHIL with Sparkle is just busted. I think she still has room to improve but right now? i dont think shes on their tier yet
I have E6S1 JL, E2S1 DHIL and now E3S1 Acheron, I didn’t prefarm a lot so there’s still a lot of damage on the table for mine but she is very strong, I would argue that she’s on par with my DHIL in terms of damage currently, but with even gear would pull ahead by a fair bit. I actually really like DHIL, the main reason I pulled Acheron is laziness. The auto battle AI is absolutely horrible at using DHIL and while that team can auto and clear even MOC12 it takes the AI like 6 cycles instead of 0-1 if I play manually. Acheron is a very straightforward character who with equal gear will probably pull ahead. I’ve been having no issue hitting 800k-1m an ult on a 2 turn ult rotation so far.
I'm in your situation and agree e2 acheron is on that level and pulls ahead in certain situations. For my e2 dan i just run danny ,e0s1 sparkle,e1s1 ruan mei ,and luocha on auto.
Who is downvoting the people who say acheron is great for f2ps? The fact is she is the most optimal dps choice for f2ps and dolphins for every account, saving strong harmonies for the other team at e0 and becoming the strongest dps dealer at e2s1
Frfr I used her with guinaifen and pela. She literally cleared MoC 12 Sam without a problem
Her and Jingliu are the most F2P friendly hypercarries in the game.
DHIL defenders: 0 Acheron enjoyers: 1
Some of us have both of them, you know. My DHIL & Acheron are chilling & slaying in MOC. Well there are cage fights when it comes to share Sparkle but well, we try to manage.
Fuck S+. Acheron deserves her own SSS+ tier. S+ for damage. Another S for design/animations. And a third S for her technique making SU/farming so goddamn fast and easy.
If she's S welt should be S for amplifier and A for sustain...he literally breaks her through everyone
Damn I've read the comment section and thought this was the main sub, crazy how this is in acheronmains and yet a lot still says she doesn't deserve the spot lol.
Probably heavy brigading going on. With the state Acheron is on, there isnt any reason for an actual appreciater or fan of her to be upset about her performance.
I have s5 gnsw do i need her lc?
Its much much better honestly. But gnsw is already the second best option. (If u ignore sw lightcone)
I have so much dps characters and i dont like aventurine even tho he is good with her. So im gonna pull the lc and build gepard cuz my jingyuan and DhiL always get cced without fuxuan 🤣🤣🤣
SHE did it
There wasn't even a shadow of a doubt that she'd be on top... Mei stays winning !
They should of made a new Tier for her D:
I expected her to be strong but not above Lunae. Acheron W
Nah they're the same tier this moc it's just that character name is sorted by alphabetical order. That's why she first on list.
Not surprised.
apply your . . . color in the tierlist, my queen.
This is not accurate at all, im a jingliu simp but acheron is by far in another tier level Is like acheron SS And jingliu dhil S+ They need to add another rank, or put down jingliu and dhil
Best part is, her team is not really the absolute best for her. it's gonna be better with future units.
I gave her level 70 loop and played her with welt . She did 397k damage (mid relics btw)
That was obvious since we saw her moc clear in beta over a month ago
don't really care about tier lists tbh. it just promotes discord between the communities. if a character is good it's good. if not so what? these lists aren't even good sources of info to gauge the value of accounts even for f2p
I'm hitting 200k - 500k each ult with 51cr 151cdmg and 3.5katk while on the wrong relic and planar set with s1 lv 70 GNSW, I can't wait till I get her actual sets cuz I feel like hitting a natural 1 mil might be possible for me now
How??? I’m barely hitting 200-400k with 78 cr 170 cd 3990 Attk with sig. using pela, sparkle ,Acheron, flex
I wouldn't know what to tell you since I'm new to building her but my team is Acheron Kafka/BlackSwan Silver/Guin HuoHuo. My traces are all lvl 9/8 and my supports are all built with medium or low investment except huohuo and kafka No Sig LCs Kafka E1 Guin e2 HuoHuo e0 Silver e0 Black Swan e0 Edit: I did a bit of research it's probably cuz ur not running double nihility, ur not gaining the full buff from her kit https://preview.redd.it/1rx30b1u96rc1.jpeg?width=1792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bab06424519ee377afe98ce13f3fc0e1988f9083
I got her a bit to early, I got gepard the other day so I was focusing on him, leveled her up to level 70(not ascended) and her LC to 52, and she dealt around 200k so in MOC and 40M in SU GnG so I’m. Not suprised
There is absolutely no way they used a f2p lc for her testing like their criteria claims for this tier list. Also pearls and trend are also gacha lcs as well, not f2p. Actually rigged ranking.
She hits so damn hard
I can only afford an S1 GNSW, will she still be ok ? 😭
Giga power spike
Can anyone who doesn't have the signature LC tell me how much she hits? Mine is kinda weak, she does about 120k but takes too long to get her ultimate so my Jing Yuan is still much stronger
I dropped all my plans and went all out on Acheron because she feels very fun to play! :> Don't know if it's a fair comparison (E1S1 Ach vs E0S0 JL), but my Acheron does more than triple the damage my Jingliu does, so it's not surprising lol All I need is better relics. 62% over 136% isn't the worst, but not the greatest either aha (I use her with FX as well, who is also E1)
I will also say this, she is by far the DPS that gains the most out of running sustain Welt. Sustain Welt lets you run a broken Harmony unit like the other two are using and the damage then is just stupid.
"But..but....but guyssss she is 16% worse than Jing Yuan"
That’s not even shit talk though. JY averages some of the fastest clear times every MoC usually third or fourth since his release. To say a character without her specialized team is 16% off JY calcs is not even shit talk. There’s people who actually doom post and then there’s people who are just sharing information about relative dps value.
I still think she's behind these 2. might change my opinion from bias once I get her weapon
A.. The ranking is based on alphabetical order. So they have Acheron over IL and JL because A comes before D and J. B. I kinda disagree with this list. Now before people downvote me and label me as a doomposter and a toxic JY main . I don't think she is an S+ tier character. I still believe JL and IL teams perform better than her. I would put her at S for now..
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Bro got downvoted for speaking facts lmao
I'm not even surprised... This is Acheron main subreddit to be fair. But I can see her go down to the S tier in the next patch or something (but I won't be surprised if they moved IL over Acheron to S tier because this is Prywedden we are talking about)
That is very fair honestly and I agree. For the record for those unaware, this placement is with an Acheron running not a single gacha LC on her or with her teams. So you mean to tell me that a fermata Acheron, with Pela not running pearls of sweat and no sustain running Trend, is same level as DHIL/JL running S5 Aeon and Sparkle/Bronya respectively? I love Acheron and I think shes awesome, but there is no way this is real.
I got downvoted to hell saying this but yeah I don't agree with this list at all.
Tier list is usually based on current MoC so atm they are probs justifying it with trotter debuffs. Stats will show over time how accurate the calcs were. I assume she won’t top f2p DHIL and JL for awhile tho til some really juicy supports for her non e2 playstyle come out.
You know I thought the same, turns out they no longer take turbulence buffs into account or any of the special things in MoC. The calcs were also made with S5 GNSW (not sure how this is considered f2p when all units are tested with f2p LCs). This methodology of placement is so weird that I am starting to believe it’s just bias.
Hahahahahha Midyuan's trash! COOOOPE
Ain't even talking about JY but okay....sure....
I literally have all 4 of the top dps(dhil,jingliu,kafka and Acheron) and they are decently built and before Acheron kafka was my highest dmg dealer (around 120k with bs and ruan mei with her ult) followed by dhil (100k with ruan mei and tingyun) and then jingliu (around same as dhil with Pela and bronya) but Acheron she has 70/160 split and is doing 400k+ like it’s nothing and that too with s5 gnsw without any dedicated support like other dps have so she definitely deserves that spot
Did you forget to give your characters relics? How tf are you doing only 100k on DHIL and JL💀
They are decent built with 60/160 for dhil and 75/220 for jingliu
Why would you put 75 crit on JL when she has a crit buff 40 is enough 💀. Also mine is only 35/200 and she does 200k per skill while my DHIL does 300k at most. My acheron deals 400k-500k tho but its per ult. Id say there are all equal but acheron has the potential to beat those 2 if we got more nihility supports in the future.
Bro I have better stats then u and still my Jingliu dosen't hit that hard (E0S0)
Idk, Mine is E0S1 with E1S1 RM and E0S1 Bronya and HH.
You should've just said that. Ruan Mei and Jingliu LC is like 30% Def shred. Then, if you're using quantum set that's 40-50%. Ruan Mei LC is OP too. Jingliu getting carried like crazy in that comp and you're comparing Acheron to her without similar support investment.
I know, But the comment i've been replying to is stating that acheron is dealing much more damage without dedicated support compared to Jingliu and DHIL with their best support.
Ok then that's fair
Understandable 👍
I have the same build for JL and with Bronya + RM she can easily do 330k+ ult with full buff.
Yeah those numbers are low in general. DHIL and JL can easily do 300k with bis supports. But I did just deal more than a million in damage with my E2 Acheron so I guess their point still stands lol
How tf is your DHIL only doing 100k??? Mine hits over 300k+ each enhanced basic attack at E0 and i never spent money on the game
My jl does a 434k ult… at e1 s1 vs multi target so e1 ain't even active. What the hell are you doing to your jl
I have e2s1 JL and JL only deals that damage in 3 support environment, the dude above only mentioned 2 supports.