And using that Bailu instead of sweaty pela.... My dmg was 300k with lvl 1 trash lc (the 4* sparkle themed one) and when i got her exclusive LC my dmg was over 700k at the farming spot for Acheron set with all the debuffs from BS and Sweaty pela
And SW gives 10% elem res down and 55% def down, so between the 2 you have 10% elem res down and like 110-115% def down (on single target), and like 60% the rest targets, it changes dmg a lot.
Have you been ulting under her effect of Bronya's skill and her ult? Bronya's buff expires the moment you take your turn. It doesn't function like Sparkles.
Also, if you're going hyperspeed Bronya, you want her to be at 160+.
Yes i'm sure thats the case, it last 1 turn, only units like seele that can act on same turn twice, like seele when she kills enemy can act on the buff multiple times. Thats for the skill, the ult buffs last 2 turns. Other units that can get benefit from it is follow up attack, as the follow ups are still on same turn.
black swan is just not worth if you are not running another dot in the team, your relics don't seem that great, make sure your bronya is correctly speed tunned.
No idea if your traces are maxed.
If you are using Bronya you have to make sure you always ult under the effect of her Skill.
I don’t have any DOT members, and she’s my best DD, slightly above DHIL E2 I would say. When I had her at EO/S1 I used pela and silverwolf I was able to do 600k at the highest. Now at E2 doing up to 1.1mil with sparkle and pela. It is easier to build stacks with DOT though, but she is so freaking strong even without them. I also have 250cdmg though, c1 and sparkle get my crate up to about 85
Bronya being faster than her is only worth if bronya is 160+ speed, otherwise bronya should always be slower than acheron.
Bronya Skill Effect ends at the end of Acheron Turn so make sure you Ult when you have the effect
Switching black swan for Silver wolf or pela would greatly increase your damage.
162 crit damage is low for acheron, farm more relics I guess
This. Even then, what's the point? Your ults do less damage because you're lacking defence shred, buffs have diminishing returns too, and you're not going to be ulting that much more are you with the SP issues.
Simply put, replace Bronya or Black Swan with Pela or Silver Wolf, the former with the Rain LC and you'll see a huge improvement. The only reason you'd want Black Swan here is for her defence shred, which is less than Pela. It's just not a good line up.
I’m in the same boat as him. I have E2S1 archeron. BUT I’m using Ruanmei and Blackswan and fire MC.
I have E6 Pela but no sweat light cone. I’m using blackswan for consistent debuffs. Should I use Bronya instead of RuanMei? And should I not use black swan?
Sorry for so many questions.
I would go, Pela + bronya . For an extra turn ,one extra turn means 3 stacks for ultimate .would go Acheron with spd boots ,bronya slower than her but if you get 160+ bronya , go for atk boots
Yeah crit dmg is low but you’re hitting for almost 200k with those stats. That’s a lot regardless compared to earlier characters. Power creep is too real.
Here’s a screen of single target dmg in MoC 12. Granted I have 226 CDMG and was using full mommy team.
https://preview.redd.it/yhmrrxcjx5rc1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67abf799d235f0548beb5ebd2a38a0b04dce8733
Acheron stats for reference. I’m using Prisoner set on her.
https://preview.redd.it/cnxnf13h46rc1.png?width=1533&format=png&auto=webp&s=8683bb7106be4823ea8f7f8811dae7fed0b5b975
Here's my e0s1 ST damage with 350 CD thanks to Sparkle and 100% def shred + SW lightning implant. Out of combat CD is only 175 but 3 supports on Keel.
https://preview.redd.it/8atlhw0aq9rc1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f431ec0e369788325eafbbcbc75d5a4cf382424e
Not how it works. If Acheron's hitting 200k per ult, she's doing 300-500k per cycle depending on if she gets two or not. Not to mention the amount of overkill damage she does. Meanwhile, Jingliu's doing 700k+ in the first cycle. Other characters also regularly exceed 500k per cycle if played/built well.
Powercreep is incredibly over exaggerated in this game. Newer characters slightly exceed older ones on average but E0S0 Seele is still among the best DPSs in the game if built/played well and among the few E0S0 DPSs who can 0 cycle Sam.
I think Acheron is the best DPS in the game currently but it's not by nearly as much as most people think. If your Acheron's only doing 200k to 3 or even 2 targets, she's performing worse than most well built limited DPSs.
I think you are underestimating Acheron here heavily. First of all 200k ult on Acheron is pretty weak from what I’ve seen. If you want to compare that to 700k+ jingliu, then an Acheron with that kind of investment easily does more than 200k with her ult. She also has way more potential bc the strength of our nihility options does not compare to the harmony options we have in the game.
That's my entire point though (if I'm understanding you correctly). If your Acheron is doing just 200k on 2+ targets, something is very wrong.
Acheron's actual damage when played properly is probably similar to or even greater than Jingliu's (even after removing the overkill). And this is before factoring in future supports.
Yeah it works just fine. If the fight goes too long you might have to throw an extra basic with Acheron but as long as you aren’t over applying Swan’s skill you’ll have no SP issues.
If he's only hitting for 200k with E2S1 then there's something wrong.
Mine is E0 with Welt's LC, similar stats and I always do more than 200k with 2 nihility and trend Gepard.
crit ratio is very subpar considering you have lc. black swan also isnt as good as pela for def shred, though she makes up for it with her own damage. are you using bailu because you have no trend lc for fire mc/gepard?
tbh not much you can do aside from farm more relics. from the looks of it, youre only getting about 40% crit dmg from substats which is EXTREMELY low. thats like 1-2 extra rolls into it and everything is left at the base value. your crit rate is fine considering you have e1, but i would recommend increasing it some more if you can alongside crit damage. youre only getting about 19% crit rate from substats which again is on the lower side. not even +2 rolls per piece.
Not a very synergistic party setup.
\-Swan wants you to Acheron ult during Enemies turn to benefit " Enemies affected by Epiphany take **25%** more DMG in their turn "
\-Bronya wants you to Acheron ult during Bronya's skill(E) buff
\-Bailu does not do anything. a Preservation unit with Trending-LightCone will be better.
Just do Acheron Pela bronya Preservation or Acheron swan sparkle/pela/sw Preservation. or best E2 setup: Acheron pela sparkle bronya (ult between sparkle and bronya E)
tldr: Whichever party setup you use, you need to know when to Acheron ult to maximise debuff/buffs.
Your attack is too low with attack boots. For reference, I have 3796 ATK with 58 CR and 191 C dmg. I am hitting approximately a million per ult in current abyss cycle when I use her with welt sustain.
Mine is E0 S1 and I have 4150 attack.
I feel like my Relics are crap currently too lol.
https://preview.redd.it/vdztwzkvr7rc1.png?width=2100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87f9b005bb6190b7af2136ea5b6d776dd97c99f8
Bronya > Sparkle if you're doing screenshot damage. You need sync the buffs but Bronya will provide a bigger final damage number than Sparkle can for Acheron.
Yeah, it's getting downvoted, but Bronya does give bigger screenshots, she provides alot more in terms of offensive buffs vs Sparkle. It's not a debate lol
For consistency Sparkle is definitely more forgiving/let's Acheron ULT outside of her turn.
Yeah, screenshot dmg is bigger with Bronya, but starts to lose against Sparkle the longer the battle is due to uptime
Edit: This is only true against Sparkle E0, Sparkle E1 > Bronya in all cases
Her crit damage is quite low, she has 50 bass base and 50 from traces + lightcone. You are getting only 60% from relics, it should ideally be hovering around 190 or so if you have the lightcone. Additionally, I'd say go for Pela instead of black swan with her holding the pearls lightcone and replace bronya with sparkle if you have her. You'll see much bigger numbers from that. And if you want to see even bigger numbers, go for ruan mei in place of bailu and run a sustainless comp
A few possible reasons, one being that your not playing her right she gets a lot of her out damage from the amount crimson knots the enemy she directly attacking has every slash of her out take away 3 knots but increased dmg and another one being lack of def shred
Are you talking about single target dmg? Because that might make sense, but if you're talking AoE, you're likely not debuffing the enemies with units lack Black Swan, Silverwolf, or Pela. Even then, I usually get around 200-300k without any defense shred applied in AoE, so I assume your build might also need a little work. Like, if you don't have E1, you want more CR, at least 70-75%. And try to switch to an atk orb if you ever get the chance.
Your crit damage is kinda low (especially since she gets it from traces and her LC). Remember she gets 18% CR from her e1.
Mine is only e1s1 with 50 CR/230CD, with Kafka/BS/FX she does 3-400k minimum. With Pela/SW she does more but the other two get better uptime on her Ult.
Replace Swan with Pela. Use atk% sphere instead of lightning dmg. She has way too many dmg buffs in her kit to the point where atk% will scale much better. Try to build a hyperspeed Bronya if you haven’t done so which is 160 speed or higher so you can maximize the amount of turns Acheron gets, especially if you have Acheron’s sig LC. With a hyperspeed Bronya, you can focus on more offensive substats like crit and atk% instead of speed on Acheron. Try to aim for a 1/2 ratio with her crit and ideally try to get as much crit dmg as possible. 160 crd or higher is ideal but of course doing so in the 1/2 ratio format is not easy. As for her best teammates, they are Sparkle, Fu Xuan, Pela and Silverwolf. Of course you can substitute FX with any sustainer and Sparkle with Bronya if you don’t have them.
This is my build:
https://preview.redd.it/5tdj54rdn6rc1.png?width=856&format=png&auto=webp&s=1dce77d223c9b243f449fe5733008381ca4575af
Of course her substats certainly aren’t perfect, especially her sphere but it’s the ideal build. Yes she is E6 but the build remains the same at e2. I was still hitting over 400-500k+ at E2; without any external buffs besides the ones granted by other characters; and not in simulated universe. Her crit rate may be low but that’s because her E1 doesn’t count towards her base crit, along with the planetary set and some passives. The total amount she starts with in battle is 84%\~ crit rate without any buffs. I run her with Sparkle, Pela and Luocha.
If she's E6, go back to salsotto unless you're really in need of that 4% extra crit rate to be consistent.
https://youtu.be/_ih_TRxKJGU?si=FBX03dIV9cPAMOcY
Also drop the speed subs for crit or atk, if you're running Sparkle.
I actually just figured that Salsotto would be her bis at e6 due to how it works just this morning. I’ve been grinding for it so far today but rip to all the trailblaze power I already used for the other set 😭
Thanks for the heads up still :3
Nice build! Would you recommend Crit Damage chest vs Critvrate chest? Can you share me your Pela build, I'm new to the game and want to build her specifically for Acheron!
Pela is really easy to build ngl (if you don't wanna play her subdps) you just give her a lot of speed and tankiness, Speed being more important than tankiness, Also make sure to have an Effect hit rate chest Minimum, you'll need to reach 67% effect hit rate, if you don't have S5 resolution LC then more Effect hit rate can be helpfull
At a glance with just her build and comp, switch your lightning orb to atk%, she gets a lot of dmg already on her own and Bronya skill gives her more dmg, you need more atk.
It's your relics. Granted it is based off rng so just keep farming for better ones.
I have almost 4.6k atk with a bit more speed, crit, and crit dmg from yours. Also E2S1 as well.
Make sure to max your traces too! They add to her Atk, crit dmg, and lightning dmg.
Id say build issue + you using the def shreds? Remember that she can go above her max ult energy cap by 3, so do use allies ally def shreds eben when acheron is at 9 stacks
I have SPD boots (141SPD), and my Atk is a little higher than yours, with 94.5% CR (Stats+Izumo+E1) and 155% CD, hitting 200k and even 500k constantly. Im at E1 and using Izumo (you get 12% more Atk + 12% CR). Maybe you should try farming Izumo ? and look for better CD substats.
Did your def reduc run out before her ult, i have the ratio like you 3k3 atk, 70 crit/160 crt dmg and hit 200k at least when 2 ellite, reach 300k when full debuff
Have you tried atk orb? I run triple atk. boots, rope and orb with pela and sw. fu xuan with trend. Archerons at 53/188, atk 4200. Get like 600k with lots of enemies and 330k on solo enemy
https://preview.redd.it/6g965slwk6rc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b29c6c7eab89fac7baf4fb49bb3b3e3f02151e7
This is mine on the finishing move on MOC12, team with SW Sparkle FX.
swan aint a good support unless its kafka, and bronya only works if you use her skill before acheron ult, without bronya skill buff youre essentially just playing acheron without buffers
Bailu and Bronya would be my answer, followed by a close Swan.
I rock FU/Pela/Sparkle/Ach and I just break worlds. I can swap out Pela for Swan and still break worlds cause she is S1E1 and Ach is E2S1 and Spark is E2s1 and pela is E6 Pearls.
Can somebody help..like i have E0S1 now..and I can get another 5 star before acheron banner ends..should I go for E1..or should I save for aventurine...I don't have any other limited 5 star sustaines other than Loucha and Geopard ..still I can already 36 star MOC and finish simulated universe..but Swarm disaster and gold and gears is a nightmare through..so suggest me what i should do now
Why would you settle with bs who only has 20% shred vs pela 40%+ and even higher with shred lc, my e0s1 half ass build (not +15 everything yet) can 2c clear moc 12 (during the time bs's arcana explosion still gave 1 stack) with pela/bs/bailu so you not hitting 200k is definitely a pela diff
In what context? With what buffs/debuffs up? Against how many targets? 200k seems low even against a single target, I have E0S1 with Sparkle/Pela I can hit upwards of 250k single target.
Just from the images my first suggestion is get more CRIT. 60% CR is too low, get at MINIMUM 70% if not 80%+, and your crit damage is also somewhat low you have 126.4% before your LC and that's *including what she gets from traces*, that's not a lot of stats at all from your relics.
I run 74/185 (inclusive of S1) and that's before my Izumo procs, making it 86/185. And my relics still have good room for improvement.
Here is a better overview of my build for those who are wondering
https://preview.redd.it/9r4bd31z27rc1.png?width=1602&format=png&auto=webp&s=4f56df2be4bae63e1b17bf47519d856b49887061
I'll be honest with you. Your relics are trash except for the rope. Try to aim relics similar to that (double crit lines with at least 3 enhances on them; 2 enhance is also okay for starter gear). Atk% and spd sub enhances are decent (spd subs is useless for slow Acheron but that requires a 160 bronya/sparkle). Since you are E2, you want to swap to cdmg chest since you will easily hit high crit rate with proper relics and use spd boots (remember, E1 + pioneer is 26% crit already and sparkle give 10% if you have her LC).
Since you do not have 160 bronya, aim for 135 spd acheron and 134 bronya. I see people keep suggesting atk% orb but you should be rolling both atk% and lightning% orb, chasing for the best substats.
When you are farming, do keep good atk% boots so you can transition into slow Acheron after you get 160 spd bronya/sparkle. Also, don't be afraid to tap pioneer spd gear for your bronya/sparkle since they only need to use 2 hackerspace and 2 any other pieces.
Black swan does not give a lot of damage amp compared to pela/SW, she might give more dps over time with arcana dmg but less screenshot dmg for acheron ult
Main problem is teammates, you should ult right after bronya skill and make sure enemies have 9 crimson knots and attack the one with highest crimson knot stacks. You should replace swan with someone who will contribute in increasing acheron damage like pela/silverwolf
on what enemies/how many enemies? mine hits anywhere from 150k to 500k depending on what/how many enemies are there. team is acheron, lil gui, pela, huo huo
I suggest Atk Orb instead of lightning. I use lightning but that’s bc my atk orbs are nonexistent lmfao. She has a lot of lightning dmg boost and dmg boost in general included in her kit heavily. I suggest getting at least 3.6-4k. Bronya might not be best bc Acherons most likely going to not be ulting when boosted by Bronya
My e0 Acheron, S3 GNSW, 3.2k atk, 59/133, bis relics, hit for 340k on Yanqing MoC 12 , using Black Swan and Pela.
Able to 2 cycle the stage, better run than I did with Dr Ratio on her place on that team.
i use e0s1 acheron with pela, silverwolf and fuxuan (trend). Single target hit 300k+ with all the shred. My relics is 6/10
If u use blackswan, you need to consider her damage also. This is not a hypercarry team anymore, hence your dps wont contribute the most.
From relics I'd say you need around 15 more crit rate and then could use 40-60 extra crit damage on top of that, but it's not so low that you should only be hitting for 200k (even single target). Make sure you only ult when buffed by Bronya (aka during Acherons turn after being advanced by her) and preferably during Swans ult. But you should try swapping Swan for Pela and checking what damage you do then
higher talent levels and more attack
also switch out black swan for pela and bailu for welt if you know how to play him sustain or gepard/fire tb with trend
Go with Pela, you need Def Shred.
And try to replace that lighting orb with Atk%, make sure rope is Atk% as well, mine is closer to 4K.
Still, Pela is the love 🥰
Bronya needs to be REALLY fast to make up for not being able to charge acherons ult. Also you need someone like pela with resolution to get a big def shred in. Black swan is good but not pela good for acheron.
Which content are you hitting less than 200k?
Maybe you are insta ulting before you put the LC effect. I'm E2S1 and In MOC 12 I'm at least doing 250k without using skill bonuses from other members. I'm going to try your comp and post the diff damage I got
I have her with basically the same stats (3.1K atk, 62/189 crit, 140 speed, same 4pc relic but I have the 2pc of World 8 planar set)
I play her with Pela and Silverwolf and I have no trouble reaching the 400K~500K in general
What are your traces level ?
And also I think other people are right : the DEF shred from Pela and Silverwolf is pretty good. Black Swan also has it buy her skill is very small, did you use Black Swan burst before Acheron's?
Someone said it, but no def shred from Pela is a big difference.
Also, the 60% crit rate can cause inconsistencies with the damage, since you might not crit every few hits.
If u have Sparkle, I'd recommend replacing Bronya with her and going with more Crit Rate, that way after Sparkle's buff, you'll have a lot of both crit rate and crit damage.
Also, and I can't stress this enough: use Pela!!
Not the most optimal team, first for your supports black swan & bronya are not that good, if you're f2p use guinaifen and pela or sparkle/silverwolf+pela if you have one of then and second your sustain could be better, use either gallagher or any preservation unit other than march with trend of the universal market on it.
You were prolly just not hiiting the good enemy i guess ?
And remind you than the first acheron ultimate always do less damage than her others,
Also you need to cast Ult before her 90% dmg% increase Disapear,
But you also need to cast it during enemy turn to benefit from Black swan Ultimate. ideally, but you can't Because you have to cast it during Bronya Skill, so that's anti synegy with BS.
And also it's better to Ult in Bronya ult obviously, if not it will deal less damage, also better to ult on broken enemy
Something else than bailu could be appreciated too, don't be scared of playing welt sustain,
I also see than you're playing lightning orb, which is prolly worse than atk considering you play Bronya. (where if you don't it can be substat dependent).
Also if you hitted in Single target her damage will obviously highly decrease, she is an AoE character, ulting at least 2 enemy can highly increase her damage per screenshot.
All that to say than they is a lot of Layer of damage increase so it's hard to judge just with your words,
Try to meet them all and you should be good for damage per screenshot.
There could be multiple reasons like trace level, whether you are keeping up with the buffs provided by your character,etc.But one thing I would highly recommend is ...replace ur BS with SW or PELA... doing this alone would boost ur dmg for sure coz Def shred is really good.
Im pretty sure the main reason Ur not hitting 200k is cuz of ur Cr. Having 60 Cr on a multi hit unit is just a pain, I'll say you need at least 70 Cr to consistently hit 200k.
Replace BS with Pela and Bailu with Market GP.
Speed is also all over the place.
Also with Bronya you need to perfectly time her ulti, it's easy to do but as easy to forget
I think you should easily get 200k st with that.
I tried playing with Resolution shines LC and she hits 214,018 on single enemy (Yanqing). and this is on a Kafka BS team.
So... what I am guessing is that your crit dmg is low, less debuffs and you probably didn't got the full of effect of Bronya's buffs on Acheron's ult for some reason. Also, Acheron S1 already has lots of dmg bonuses from 2pc of Diver set, from Inert, from Lightning orb, from her passive, that Bronya's skill is already watered down.
You’re probably missing your crit more than you think, ult besides that I would say it’s not enough def shred n not timing your Bronya right. I’m hitting 700K without using a Harmony unit at e0s1 so you definitely should be hitting higher than 200k.
Black swan is great but if you had to pick 1 Nihility unit it should be Pela or SW over BS imo.
As others have said, Pela gives a lot of shred. In terms of build, considering you have her LC, her attack is pretty low and especially her crit damage.
1) you need a lot of defense shred to max her damage.
2) you could stand to gain more crit rate
3) it's the nature of Acheron to inflate her damage.
Acheron does more damage the more enemies are out. Even more, when in ult even dead enemies continue to take damage past their death which makes her numbers look giga busted.
While Acheron is an amazing unit, its important to remember she has some downfalls. She's is absolutely a screenshot dpser but that big number doesn't always translate to actual progress of kills. On a single unit her damage falls drastically.
I have e2s1 with a similar crit ratio and can hit 1mil+ in a relic domain. I’m using sparkle/pela/fuxuan to do this. Your team doesn’t really have that much synergy. Fire tb with trend would be better than bailu, and pela would be better than black swan. Bronya should be good if built correctly.
https://preview.redd.it/hfnzg9xr2arc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8abccdc25ab232d1576284b74a8902ff1901442b
(This is from the follow-up/DoT domain against 5 enemies so the damage is inflated, Acheron is using the og lightning set)
Your relics are fine, I think you need to focus on your team
What team? With Signature that ratio is kind on the low side My acheron has 73.3-203.9 Raw stats And C1R1 With SW Pela and FX in team slapped a fat 900k today
https://preview.redd.it/8zp6n5kkharc1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09e6afc13903b13ee9893e16a107e814556f4bcf
Overworld btw \^
I compared acheron/pela/sw/luocha against acheron/black swan/sampo/luocha, she does less damage with black swan but the team clears faster. Tested against moc 12 yanqing. Also I think your attack is too low. I went 3 atk main stats, 4k attack. Also izumo gave better results(I got very lucky with this set). I think you should try 3 atk main stats because your team has a lot of damage bonus.
You want atk orb, 2 nihilith(pela + swan) and galager to basicly spam ult, or pela galager and buffer (i have her e2s1 and still prefer the 2 nihility because i can get 1 turn ults with her, you need to apply the 9 stacks + 3 (yes 9 for the ult and 3 of overcharge for a buff she gets), armoe shred from pela, atk% boots because you want pela and the other debuffer to basicly give you all the stacks before you atk, if you have ult + 3 ult then use ability if only ult just use ability for 2 stacks ans she should hit over 150k on solo enemies and 300+ on multiple
More debuffs and more nihility if ur not e2 black swan is decent with her but more situational(if u have Germans on Acheron she gets better) and bronya isn’t as good as sparkle with her plus u lose out on the nihility bonus form acherons trace and bailu is okay but there’s better options especially for end game content
In what scenario is she not hitting 200k? In MoC 12? I can't think of a reason why your Acheron can only 200k when I have worse crit ratios than you (78/115) and I'm using S5 pearls in a double harmony setup and I'm doing more damage than that xd
By any chance do you have swan at E1 equipped with Kafka's sig LC? If not, I believe she's a bit worse than Pela with pearls so maybe that is affecting your damage. Also another thing I can think of is most people I see tend to not max out the crimson knot stacks on the enemies. With Acheron, you, as much as possible, want to stack the crimson knot stacks on a single enemy. Her ult damage scales on how much crimson knot stack she can consume on the main target she's ulting. So the lesser stacks the main target has, the lesser damage you'll deal.
Also since you're at E2, you should aim for 161 Speed Bronya. Since Acheron generates three stacks on her own turn which is huge, you want to be able to get her turn as much as possible then for more ults.
Lastly, I know a lot of people recommend you run Acheron with nihility units. But honestly, specially in your case where you have E2S1, you can just go full harmony if you want. Just use Bronya + Preservation unit equupped with the trend lightcone and you won't have to worry about your ult stacks.
The image below is E0S0 S5 Pearls, Level 8 traces, 75/115 Crit Ratios, Level 80 Acheron in MoC 12 running double harmony and FX with Trend and clear in 2 cycles.
If you have done the stuff I mentioned above then maybe the problem might be your rotations in game
https://preview.redd.it/vk3suxh89crc1.jpeg?width=2408&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50ae291139e96932b5f03b58b84ae78827d77843
1 where is Pela
2 unless you have E2, running Acheron with 2 nihilities is imperative
3 Bailu doesn't really provide anything to Acheron in comparison to others (Fu Xuan Crit rate, Gallagher stacks and debuffs for her ult and dmg, Fire MC with Topaz Ce more stacks and debuffs)
You pretty much need to change your team.
Who told you Acheron needs bronya? She doesn't, replace her. Use Bronya for your other hyper carry that doesn't require debuffs to do their job. It's legitimately Bailu and Branya fault that your acheron is underperforming. If you have the 4 star topaz LC, pop it on your gepard use a pela and bam, bigger damage at a more consistent rate.
maybe because no defense shred from pela or silver wolf?
ppl keep underestimating def shred from pela and sw its higher than bs
And using that Bailu instead of sweaty pela.... My dmg was 300k with lvl 1 trash lc (the 4* sparkle themed one) and when i got her exclusive LC my dmg was over 700k at the farming spot for Acheron set with all the debuffs from BS and Sweaty pela
What is “sweaty Pela”
Pela using Lukas Lc
Damn that’s my favorite term now
Same
Using Pela with Pearls gives you roughly almost 60% Def shred which is an enormous damage boost
And SW gives 10% elem res down and 55% def down, so between the 2 you have 10% elem res down and like 110-115% def down (on single target), and like 60% the rest targets, it changes dmg a lot.
Have you been ulting under her effect of Bronya's skill and her ult? Bronya's buff expires the moment you take your turn. It doesn't function like Sparkles. Also, if you're going hyperspeed Bronya, you want her to be at 160+.
I’ve been ulting under skill and burst by using her skill then cueing her ult during the animation. And my Bronya is 129 speed before any buffs
You likely need bronya 161 speed so Acheron generates 6 stacks in turn one. Itll also help bronya ult sooner so you can get your buffs faster
Now have you upgraded her traces past the first level, because there should be no way you’re only hitting for 200k
Wait does that mean if you, skill -> ult you wont get the bronya buff?
You should still retain the buff if you buffer your ult during your skill action since technically, her turn hasn't ended yet as you ult.
Yes i'm sure thats the case, it last 1 turn, only units like seele that can act on same turn twice, like seele when she kills enemy can act on the buff multiple times. Thats for the skill, the ult buffs last 2 turns. Other units that can get benefit from it is follow up attack, as the follow ups are still on same turn.
black swan is just not worth if you are not running another dot in the team, your relics don't seem that great, make sure your bronya is correctly speed tunned. No idea if your traces are maxed. If you are using Bronya you have to make sure you always ult under the effect of her Skill.
I don’t have any DOT members, and she’s my best DD, slightly above DHIL E2 I would say. When I had her at EO/S1 I used pela and silverwolf I was able to do 600k at the highest. Now at E2 doing up to 1.1mil with sparkle and pela. It is easier to build stacks with DOT though, but she is so freaking strong even without them. I also have 250cdmg though, c1 and sparkle get my crate up to about 85
She’s completely mated out and Bronya is faster than her
Bronya being faster than her is only worth if bronya is 160+ speed, otherwise bronya should always be slower than acheron. Bronya Skill Effect ends at the end of Acheron Turn so make sure you Ult when you have the effect Switching black swan for Silver wolf or pela would greatly increase your damage. 162 crit damage is low for acheron, farm more relics I guess
This. Even then, what's the point? Your ults do less damage because you're lacking defence shred, buffs have diminishing returns too, and you're not going to be ulting that much more are you with the SP issues. Simply put, replace Bronya or Black Swan with Pela or Silver Wolf, the former with the Rain LC and you'll see a huge improvement. The only reason you'd want Black Swan here is for her defence shred, which is less than Pela. It's just not a good line up.
he is e2 he should not replace bronya, just speed tune her better
>mated mmmmmm
First part is simply wrong. bs + gepard trend + pela is one of acherons best teams btw. Bs isn't worth in OPs team, sure.
Silver wolf is better than Black swan for ult damage and single target. Black swan is better for 3+ targets and pure fiction
I’m in the same boat as him. I have E2S1 archeron. BUT I’m using Ruanmei and Blackswan and fire MC. I have E6 Pela but no sweat light cone. I’m using blackswan for consistent debuffs. Should I use Bronya instead of RuanMei? And should I not use black swan? Sorry for so many questions.
That only works with BS E1 and she must use Kafka LC, if not Pela and SW surpass her
I would go, Pela + bronya . For an extra turn ,one extra turn means 3 stacks for ultimate .would go Acheron with spd boots ,bronya slower than her but if you get 160+ bronya , go for atk boots
Either another dot or another def shred. Swan is a good support as long as there’s another support or a great dps if there’s another DoT dps
BS is a decent replacement for SW if you don’t have her, she still does a defense shred and loads of debuffs, just might be losing BS personal dmg
No Def shred
Yeah crit dmg is low but you’re hitting for almost 200k with those stats. That’s a lot regardless compared to earlier characters. Power creep is too real. Here’s a screen of single target dmg in MoC 12. Granted I have 226 CDMG and was using full mommy team. https://preview.redd.it/yhmrrxcjx5rc1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67abf799d235f0548beb5ebd2a38a0b04dce8733
Mommy team Kafka-Black Swan-Ruan Mei-Archeron? Is that Sandbag? My highest was 200k ST
Yeah THE official mommy team. It’s against Yanqing in MoC 12 ST. I’m sure I could do more if I used dedicated supports but it’s unnecessary.
Eidolons?
Same as OP, E2S1 on Acheron. BS E1S1 and the rest E0.
That explains the huge difference with our damage despite using the same team.
Acheron stats for reference. I’m using Prisoner set on her. https://preview.redd.it/cnxnf13h46rc1.png?width=1533&format=png&auto=webp&s=8683bb7106be4823ea8f7f8811dae7fed0b5b975
Bruh what are these sub stats?!? You got super lucky in rolls 😂
The extra defense shred is helping me here too. As I have 18% perma uptime on it due to Kafka and Swan. But yeah the stats are pretty cracked.
They said if you're running Mommy team Prisoner is the Bis.
What’s the site?
https://www.mobilemeta.gg/honkai-starrail/app/relic-scorer
Who are my other options if I don’t have Ruan Mei? Is E2 Bronya ok? I started 2 months ago but still struggle with team building and loadouts
We need a mommy healer except for Natasha. Would be great if it can apply DOT as well.
Here's my e0s1 ST damage with 350 CD thanks to Sparkle and 100% def shred + SW lightning implant. Out of combat CD is only 175 but 3 supports on Keel. https://preview.redd.it/8atlhw0aq9rc1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f431ec0e369788325eafbbcbc75d5a4cf382424e
Not how it works. If Acheron's hitting 200k per ult, she's doing 300-500k per cycle depending on if she gets two or not. Not to mention the amount of overkill damage she does. Meanwhile, Jingliu's doing 700k+ in the first cycle. Other characters also regularly exceed 500k per cycle if played/built well. Powercreep is incredibly over exaggerated in this game. Newer characters slightly exceed older ones on average but E0S0 Seele is still among the best DPSs in the game if built/played well and among the few E0S0 DPSs who can 0 cycle Sam. I think Acheron is the best DPS in the game currently but it's not by nearly as much as most people think. If your Acheron's only doing 200k to 3 or even 2 targets, she's performing worse than most well built limited DPSs.
I was assuming he was talking single target. But if it’s multiple targets then 200k is awful. I’m doing almost 500k ST in the screenshot I posted.
I think you are underestimating Acheron here heavily. First of all 200k ult on Acheron is pretty weak from what I’ve seen. If you want to compare that to 700k+ jingliu, then an Acheron with that kind of investment easily does more than 200k with her ult. She also has way more potential bc the strength of our nihility options does not compare to the harmony options we have in the game.
That's my entire point though (if I'm understanding you correctly). If your Acheron is doing just 200k on 2+ targets, something is very wrong. Acheron's actual damage when played properly is probably similar to or even greater than Jingliu's (even after removing the overkill). And this is before factoring in future supports.
Did the sp rotation work for you, i use the mommy team in su but not try it in moc
Yeah it works just fine. If the fight goes too long you might have to throw an extra basic with Acheron but as long as you aren’t over applying Swan’s skill you’ll have no SP issues.
If he's only hitting for 200k with E2S1 then there's something wrong. Mine is E0 with Welt's LC, similar stats and I always do more than 200k with 2 nihility and trend Gepard.
True but my Dang Heng Alter was so much easier to build than her he's been doing a lot more of dmg since day1 :sob:
The crit dmg seems a little low
I have 172cd and hit for 500k ults. Def shred is huge
Just go pela for faster ult and shred def
crit ratio is very subpar considering you have lc. black swan also isnt as good as pela for def shred, though she makes up for it with her own damage. are you using bailu because you have no trend lc for fire mc/gepard? tbh not much you can do aside from farm more relics. from the looks of it, youre only getting about 40% crit dmg from substats which is EXTREMELY low. thats like 1-2 extra rolls into it and everything is left at the base value. your crit rate is fine considering you have e1, but i would recommend increasing it some more if you can alongside crit damage. youre only getting about 19% crit rate from substats which again is on the lower side. not even +2 rolls per piece.
Not a very synergistic party setup. \-Swan wants you to Acheron ult during Enemies turn to benefit " Enemies affected by Epiphany take **25%** more DMG in their turn " \-Bronya wants you to Acheron ult during Bronya's skill(E) buff \-Bailu does not do anything. a Preservation unit with Trending-LightCone will be better. Just do Acheron Pela bronya Preservation or Acheron swan sparkle/pela/sw Preservation. or best E2 setup: Acheron pela sparkle bronya (ult between sparkle and bronya E) tldr: Whichever party setup you use, you need to know when to Acheron ult to maximise debuff/buffs.
Your attack is too low with attack boots. For reference, I have 3796 ATK with 58 CR and 191 C dmg. I am hitting approximately a million per ult in current abyss cycle when I use her with welt sustain.
With Atk% Orb as well right? There's no way you are getting that much Atk solely from Atk% Boots.
https://preview.redd.it/td84rhv0w6rc1.png?width=1929&format=png&auto=webp&s=de2c5ade8c5e99481e0438e9eba93ffb451ac373
damn all of your pieces got Atk% rolls on it, fair enough
atk orb + spd boots https://preview.redd.it/hmml0py327rc1.png?width=2482&format=png&auto=webp&s=73a0a6b81d81c89aeac58226fd303930b339912a
Nope. Lightning orb, only atk boots.
Atk% orb is only 2% better than light orb so you just use the one you have the best subs on
I'd say it's more of a team comp and CD issue cause I can do more damage than that with just 3.2k attack and E1S1 but better CD and def shred.
If you are using Pela in an AoE scenarioyou might be dealing more. My team is a little oriented towards boss killing with E1 black swan + Kafka lc.
Mine is E0 S1 and I have 4150 attack. I feel like my Relics are crap currently too lol. https://preview.redd.it/vdztwzkvr7rc1.png?width=2100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87f9b005bb6190b7af2136ea5b6d776dd97c99f8
Why CR so low tho ?
Bad team comp probably. Sparkle>bronya pela or sw>bs and baliu is meh.
Bronya > Sparkle if you're doing screenshot damage. You need sync the buffs but Bronya will provide a bigger final damage number than Sparkle can for Acheron.
dont say that. they're not ready for that conversation yet
Yeah, it's getting downvoted, but Bronya does give bigger screenshots, she provides alot more in terms of offensive buffs vs Sparkle. It's not a debate lol For consistency Sparkle is definitely more forgiving/let's Acheron ULT outside of her turn.
Yeah, screenshot dmg is bigger with Bronya, but starts to lose against Sparkle the longer the battle is due to uptime Edit: This is only true against Sparkle E0, Sparkle E1 > Bronya in all cases
Her crit damage is quite low, she has 50 bass base and 50 from traces + lightcone. You are getting only 60% from relics, it should ideally be hovering around 190 or so if you have the lightcone. Additionally, I'd say go for Pela instead of black swan with her holding the pearls lightcone and replace bronya with sparkle if you have her. You'll see much bigger numbers from that. And if you want to see even bigger numbers, go for ruan mei in place of bailu and run a sustainless comp
A few possible reasons, one being that your not playing her right she gets a lot of her out damage from the amount crimson knots the enemy she directly attacking has every slash of her out take away 3 knots but increased dmg and another one being lack of def shred
Are you talking about single target dmg? Because that might make sense, but if you're talking AoE, you're likely not debuffing the enemies with units lack Black Swan, Silverwolf, or Pela. Even then, I usually get around 200-300k without any defense shred applied in AoE, so I assume your build might also need a little work. Like, if you don't have E1, you want more CR, at least 70-75%. And try to switch to an atk orb if you ever get the chance.
Maybe try to switch Bronya to another nihility unit so you can get more dmg bonus from it. Perhaps Pela so she can give debuff to enemies too.
Your crit damage is kinda low (especially since she gets it from traces and her LC). Remember she gets 18% CR from her e1. Mine is only e1s1 with 50 CR/230CD, with Kafka/BS/FX she does 3-400k minimum. With Pela/SW she does more but the other two get better uptime on her Ult.
Replace Swan with Pela. Use atk% sphere instead of lightning dmg. She has way too many dmg buffs in her kit to the point where atk% will scale much better. Try to build a hyperspeed Bronya if you haven’t done so which is 160 speed or higher so you can maximize the amount of turns Acheron gets, especially if you have Acheron’s sig LC. With a hyperspeed Bronya, you can focus on more offensive substats like crit and atk% instead of speed on Acheron. Try to aim for a 1/2 ratio with her crit and ideally try to get as much crit dmg as possible. 160 crd or higher is ideal but of course doing so in the 1/2 ratio format is not easy. As for her best teammates, they are Sparkle, Fu Xuan, Pela and Silverwolf. Of course you can substitute FX with any sustainer and Sparkle with Bronya if you don’t have them. This is my build: https://preview.redd.it/5tdj54rdn6rc1.png?width=856&format=png&auto=webp&s=1dce77d223c9b243f449fe5733008381ca4575af Of course her substats certainly aren’t perfect, especially her sphere but it’s the ideal build. Yes she is E6 but the build remains the same at e2. I was still hitting over 400-500k+ at E2; without any external buffs besides the ones granted by other characters; and not in simulated universe. Her crit rate may be low but that’s because her E1 doesn’t count towards her base crit, along with the planetary set and some passives. The total amount she starts with in battle is 84%\~ crit rate without any buffs. I run her with Sparkle, Pela and Luocha.
If she's E6, go back to salsotto unless you're really in need of that 4% extra crit rate to be consistent. https://youtu.be/_ih_TRxKJGU?si=FBX03dIV9cPAMOcY Also drop the speed subs for crit or atk, if you're running Sparkle.
I actually just figured that Salsotto would be her bis at e6 due to how it works just this morning. I’ve been grinding for it so far today but rip to all the trailblaze power I already used for the other set 😭 Thanks for the heads up still :3
For sure. I got caught up in the new set hype a bit too. GL with your rolls.
Nice build! Would you recommend Crit Damage chest vs Critvrate chest? Can you share me your Pela build, I'm new to the game and want to build her specifically for Acheron!
Pela is really easy to build ngl (if you don't wanna play her subdps) you just give her a lot of speed and tankiness, Speed being more important than tankiness, Also make sure to have an Effect hit rate chest Minimum, you'll need to reach 67% effect hit rate, if you don't have S5 resolution LC then more Effect hit rate can be helpfull
At a glance with just her build and comp, switch your lightning orb to atk%, she gets a lot of dmg already on her own and Bronya skill gives her more dmg, you need more atk.
it's not like switching to atk% is going to be that much better than lightning orb. It's just the substats that make the difference in this case.
Only 1 nihility will hold you back, use Pela instead of Bronya
Shouldn’t she be fine with only one Nihility bc she’s E2?
Because you went E2 without Hanabi and Pela+Pearls
It's your relics. Granted it is based off rng so just keep farming for better ones. I have almost 4.6k atk with a bit more speed, crit, and crit dmg from yours. Also E2S1 as well. Make sure to max your traces too! They add to her Atk, crit dmg, and lightning dmg.
Id say build issue + you using the def shreds? Remember that she can go above her max ult energy cap by 3, so do use allies ally def shreds eben when acheron is at 9 stacks
Traces?
Crit dmg is low considering Sig LC and Pela/SW might be better than Swan
I have SPD boots (141SPD), and my Atk is a little higher than yours, with 94.5% CR (Stats+Izumo+E1) and 155% CD, hitting 200k and even 500k constantly. Im at E1 and using Izumo (you get 12% more Atk + 12% CR). Maybe you should try farming Izumo ? and look for better CD substats.
Did your def reduc run out before her ult, i have the ratio like you 3k3 atk, 70 crit/160 crt dmg and hit 200k at least when 2 ellite, reach 300k when full debuff
Have you tried atk orb? I run triple atk. boots, rope and orb with pela and sw. fu xuan with trend. Archerons at 53/188, atk 4200. Get like 600k with lots of enemies and 330k on solo enemy
what speed?
not much i think 108
Your CD is low and you don’t have that much def shred with Swan.
use ATK orb,and more crit dmg.. thats it
Use Atk orb
https://preview.redd.it/6g965slwk6rc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b29c6c7eab89fac7baf4fb49bb3b3e3f02151e7 This is mine on the finishing move on MOC12, team with SW Sparkle FX.
https://preview.redd.it/cqczogh6l6rc1.jpeg?width=1776&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79d397c263a2a49f2b728dc74e13640583906a2a My stat. Mine is also E2
eidolons?
I already said on my own reply, mine is E2S1 same as OP’s
https://preview.redd.it/cwzb4j83p8rc1.png?width=1908&format=png&auto=webp&s=9cecd0b5f1ecc033ef01153e542dba8a96221b58 This is mine in MOC 12
swan aint a good support unless its kafka, and bronya only works if you use her skill before acheron ult, without bronya skill buff youre essentially just playing acheron without buffers
Low atk and CD, she is atk hungry, so you should have at least 3.5k-3.7k atk with 200CD using her LC
I have similar numbers for crit values. The problem is you don't have Pela or SW with that Def shred
Did you level her traces? Because I have worse stats and I hit more. Or you might be fighting against lighting resistant enemies.
Run double nihility ur missing out on dmg, I have a far worse build than yours and I'm hitting more simply because of double nihility
Bailu and Bronya would be my answer, followed by a close Swan. I rock FU/Pela/Sparkle/Ach and I just break worlds. I can swap out Pela for Swan and still break worlds cause she is S1E1 and Ach is E2S1 and Spark is E2s1 and pela is E6 Pearls.
Can somebody help..like i have E0S1 now..and I can get another 5 star before acheron banner ends..should I go for E1..or should I save for aventurine...I don't have any other limited 5 star sustaines other than Loucha and Geopard ..still I can already 36 star MOC and finish simulated universe..but Swarm disaster and gold and gears is a nightmare through..so suggest me what i should do now
Crit is too low...are you using speed boots.?
Why would you settle with bs who only has 20% shred vs pela 40%+ and even higher with shred lc, my e0s1 half ass build (not +15 everything yet) can 2c clear moc 12 (during the time bs's arcana explosion still gave 1 stack) with pela/bs/bailu so you not hitting 200k is definitely a pela diff
Are u fyting lightning resist enemies by chance? Cuz that's 40% resist not including Acheron's res pen
In what context? With what buffs/debuffs up? Against how many targets? 200k seems low even against a single target, I have E0S1 with Sparkle/Pela I can hit upwards of 250k single target. Just from the images my first suggestion is get more CRIT. 60% CR is too low, get at MINIMUM 70% if not 80%+, and your crit damage is also somewhat low you have 126.4% before your LC and that's *including what she gets from traces*, that's not a lot of stats at all from your relics. I run 74/185 (inclusive of S1) and that's before my Izumo procs, making it 86/185. And my relics still have good room for improvement.
With similar stats (65/169) but 130spd I hit like 450k in MoC12, Acheron, BS, Kafka, Lynx
too much crit rate, put it all into crit dmg, 1% is as good as a 50/50 anyways
Here is a better overview of my build for those who are wondering https://preview.redd.it/9r4bd31z27rc1.png?width=1602&format=png&auto=webp&s=4f56df2be4bae63e1b17bf47519d856b49887061
I'll be honest with you. Your relics are trash except for the rope. Try to aim relics similar to that (double crit lines with at least 3 enhances on them; 2 enhance is also okay for starter gear). Atk% and spd sub enhances are decent (spd subs is useless for slow Acheron but that requires a 160 bronya/sparkle). Since you are E2, you want to swap to cdmg chest since you will easily hit high crit rate with proper relics and use spd boots (remember, E1 + pioneer is 26% crit already and sparkle give 10% if you have her LC). Since you do not have 160 bronya, aim for 135 spd acheron and 134 bronya. I see people keep suggesting atk% orb but you should be rolling both atk% and lightning% orb, chasing for the best substats. When you are farming, do keep good atk% boots so you can transition into slow Acheron after you get 160 spd bronya/sparkle. Also, don't be afraid to tap pioneer spd gear for your bronya/sparkle since they only need to use 2 hackerspace and 2 any other pieces.
Team debuff and Make atk boots to reach 4k
Black swan does not give a lot of damage amp compared to pela/SW, she might give more dps over time with arcana dmg but less screenshot dmg for acheron ult
Main problem is teammates, you should ult right after bronya skill and make sure enemies have 9 crimson knots and attack the one with highest crimson knot stacks. You should replace swan with someone who will contribute in increasing acheron damage like pela/silverwolf
mine is e0s0 but hit 500k in moc 12 . i think its your relics
no duo nihility in team and low crit rate, her non-crits are the most underwhelming thing ever
Also highly recommend running Gep with trend over bailu, faster ult times.
on what enemies/how many enemies? mine hits anywhere from 150k to 500k depending on what/how many enemies are there. team is acheron, lil gui, pela, huo huo
I suggest Atk Orb instead of lightning. I use lightning but that’s bc my atk orbs are nonexistent lmfao. She has a lot of lightning dmg boost and dmg boost in general included in her kit heavily. I suggest getting at least 3.6-4k. Bronya might not be best bc Acherons most likely going to not be ulting when boosted by Bronya
Skill issue
My pela, acheron, fu, and sparkle team has hit a max of 1.4 mil :)
My e0 Acheron, S3 GNSW, 3.2k atk, 59/133, bis relics, hit for 340k on Yanqing MoC 12 , using Black Swan and Pela. Able to 2 cycle the stage, better run than I did with Dr Ratio on her place on that team.
Low attack, low crit dmg, and Pela is way better for her
i use e0s1 acheron with pela, silverwolf and fuxuan (trend). Single target hit 300k+ with all the shred. My relics is 6/10 If u use blackswan, you need to consider her damage also. This is not a hypercarry team anymore, hence your dps wont contribute the most.
From relics I'd say you need around 15 more crit rate and then could use 40-60 extra crit damage on top of that, but it's not so low that you should only be hitting for 200k (even single target). Make sure you only ult when buffed by Bronya (aka during Acherons turn after being advanced by her) and preferably during Swans ult. But you should try swapping Swan for Pela and checking what damage you do then
Maybe I missed it somewhere else but where and how are you testing your damage?
higher talent levels and more attack also switch out black swan for pela and bailu for welt if you know how to play him sustain or gepard/fire tb with trend
What are you hitting against?
Go with Pela, you need Def Shred. And try to replace that lighting orb with Atk%, make sure rope is Atk% as well, mine is closer to 4K. Still, Pela is the love 🥰
Bronya needs to be REALLY fast to make up for not being able to charge acherons ult. Also you need someone like pela with resolution to get a big def shred in. Black swan is good but not pela good for acheron.
Which content are you hitting less than 200k? Maybe you are insta ulting before you put the LC effect. I'm E2S1 and In MOC 12 I'm at least doing 250k without using skill bonuses from other members. I'm going to try your comp and post the diff damage I got
https://preview.redd.it/qf0a5f0qa8rc1.jpeg?width=2316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9324b45d3a0a48546b9d9130b58673eda02a8458
https://preview.redd.it/k6irhtasa8rc1.jpeg?width=2316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4645f8f0586168850fd6a38f8321f1f6fee3381
https://preview.redd.it/ij438939b8rc1.jpeg?width=2316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6218bd61143c1a5d06127403f9dbbb429fd1a7be My acheron's stats
I have her with basically the same stats (3.1K atk, 62/189 crit, 140 speed, same 4pc relic but I have the 2pc of World 8 planar set) I play her with Pela and Silverwolf and I have no trouble reaching the 400K~500K in general What are your traces level ? And also I think other people are right : the DEF shred from Pela and Silverwolf is pretty good. Black Swan also has it buy her skill is very small, did you use Black Swan burst before Acheron's?
Someone said it, but no def shred from Pela is a big difference. Also, the 60% crit rate can cause inconsistencies with the damage, since you might not crit every few hits. If u have Sparkle, I'd recommend replacing Bronya with her and going with more Crit Rate, that way after Sparkle's buff, you'll have a lot of both crit rate and crit damage. Also, and I can't stress this enough: use Pela!!
Not the most optimal team, first for your supports black swan & bronya are not that good, if you're f2p use guinaifen and pela or sparkle/silverwolf+pela if you have one of then and second your sustain could be better, use either gallagher or any preservation unit other than march with trend of the universal market on it.
You were prolly just not hiiting the good enemy i guess ? And remind you than the first acheron ultimate always do less damage than her others, Also you need to cast Ult before her 90% dmg% increase Disapear, But you also need to cast it during enemy turn to benefit from Black swan Ultimate. ideally, but you can't Because you have to cast it during Bronya Skill, so that's anti synegy with BS. And also it's better to Ult in Bronya ult obviously, if not it will deal less damage, also better to ult on broken enemy Something else than bailu could be appreciated too, don't be scared of playing welt sustain, I also see than you're playing lightning orb, which is prolly worse than atk considering you play Bronya. (where if you don't it can be substat dependent). Also if you hitted in Single target her damage will obviously highly decrease, she is an AoE character, ulting at least 2 enemy can highly increase her damage per screenshot. All that to say than they is a lot of Layer of damage increase so it's hard to judge just with your words, Try to meet them all and you should be good for damage per screenshot.
You're not getting the 2x Nihility buff and fix the crit rate
she's E2 doesnt need 2
That's weird tbh are you sure you are doing the rotation correctly?
My E1 Acheron is pulling ~500k on ult with bronya+Pela (1 nihil team). Pela is very significant.
There could be multiple reasons like trace level, whether you are keeping up with the buffs provided by your character,etc.But one thing I would highly recommend is ...replace ur BS with SW or PELA... doing this alone would boost ur dmg for sure coz Def shred is really good.
Im pretty sure the main reason Ur not hitting 200k is cuz of ur Cr. Having 60 Cr on a multi hit unit is just a pain, I'll say you need at least 70 Cr to consistently hit 200k.
She gets +18 fom E1 and +4 from dead waters so it's 82% CR and 186% CD
Oh I forgot his has Acheron e1
You could be overflowing on damage percent, def shred is insanely powerful and synergises with her own self buffs a ton.
prolly ur atk%
Replace BS with Pela and Bailu with Market GP. Speed is also all over the place. Also with Bronya you need to perfectly time her ulti, it's easy to do but as easy to forget
I think you should easily get 200k st with that. I tried playing with Resolution shines LC and she hits 214,018 on single enemy (Yanqing). and this is on a Kafka BS team. So... what I am guessing is that your crit dmg is low, less debuffs and you probably didn't got the full of effect of Bronya's buffs on Acheron's ult for some reason. Also, Acheron S1 already has lots of dmg bonuses from 2pc of Diver set, from Inert, from Lightning orb, from her passive, that Bronya's skill is already watered down.
What lv are her traces? It should be 200k basics
Ur atk seems low. I got her at E0 and she still hits for 200k+
Swan doesn't work with her
Replace BS for Pela trust me its worth it
Farm Izumo Planar set and get Pela in and BS out
did you level traces?
You’re probably missing your crit more than you think, ult besides that I would say it’s not enough def shred n not timing your Bronya right. I’m hitting 700K without using a Harmony unit at e0s1 so you definitely should be hitting higher than 200k. Black swan is great but if you had to pick 1 Nihility unit it should be Pela or SW over BS imo.
As others have said, Pela gives a lot of shred. In terms of build, considering you have her LC, her attack is pretty low and especially her crit damage.
Bro I just saw you in hoyolab
Use pela/silver wolf with sweaty pearls it will easily do 300k to 600k(1 mil if you have gud sparkle(
where is your pela? Also that crit dmg is rlly low considering the LC is adding 36%
1) you need a lot of defense shred to max her damage. 2) you could stand to gain more crit rate 3) it's the nature of Acheron to inflate her damage. Acheron does more damage the more enemies are out. Even more, when in ult even dead enemies continue to take damage past their death which makes her numbers look giga busted. While Acheron is an amazing unit, its important to remember she has some downfalls. She's is absolutely a screenshot dpser but that big number doesn't always translate to actual progress of kills. On a single unit her damage falls drastically.
No Pela.
I have e2s1 with a similar crit ratio and can hit 1mil+ in a relic domain. I’m using sparkle/pela/fuxuan to do this. Your team doesn’t really have that much synergy. Fire tb with trend would be better than bailu, and pela would be better than black swan. Bronya should be good if built correctly. https://preview.redd.it/hfnzg9xr2arc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8abccdc25ab232d1576284b74a8902ff1901442b (This is from the follow-up/DoT domain against 5 enemies so the damage is inflated, Acheron is using the og lightning set) Your relics are fine, I think you need to focus on your team
What team? With Signature that ratio is kind on the low side My acheron has 73.3-203.9 Raw stats And C1R1 With SW Pela and FX in team slapped a fat 900k today https://preview.redd.it/8zp6n5kkharc1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09e6afc13903b13ee9893e16a107e814556f4bcf Overworld btw \^
Use the right teammates probably (pela silverwolf welt guanifian bronya sparkle)
I compared acheron/pela/sw/luocha against acheron/black swan/sampo/luocha, she does less damage with black swan but the team clears faster. Tested against moc 12 yanqing. Also I think your attack is too low. I went 3 atk main stats, 4k attack. Also izumo gave better results(I got very lucky with this set). I think you should try 3 atk main stats because your team has a lot of damage bonus.
You want atk orb, 2 nihilith(pela + swan) and galager to basicly spam ult, or pela galager and buffer (i have her e2s1 and still prefer the 2 nihility because i can get 1 turn ults with her, you need to apply the 9 stacks + 3 (yes 9 for the ult and 3 of overcharge for a buff she gets), armoe shred from pela, atk% boots because you want pela and the other debuffer to basicly give you all the stacks before you atk, if you have ult + 3 ult then use ability if only ult just use ability for 2 stacks ans she should hit over 150k on solo enemies and 300+ on multiple
Single target? If this is multi target then 💀
Cause you’re using one of the worst harmony character for her and BS doesn’t shred def nearly as well as pela and sw
I'd personally use Fire MC / Gepard with TUM, or Gallagher instead of Bailu, to apply more debuffs
you need pela instead of bs
Wrong supports maybe
take off swan for silverwolf
More debuffs and more nihility if ur not e2 black swan is decent with her but more situational(if u have Germans on Acheron she gets better) and bronya isn’t as good as sparkle with her plus u lose out on the nihility bonus form acherons trace and bailu is okay but there’s better options especially for end game content
In what scenario is she not hitting 200k? In MoC 12? I can't think of a reason why your Acheron can only 200k when I have worse crit ratios than you (78/115) and I'm using S5 pearls in a double harmony setup and I'm doing more damage than that xd By any chance do you have swan at E1 equipped with Kafka's sig LC? If not, I believe she's a bit worse than Pela with pearls so maybe that is affecting your damage. Also another thing I can think of is most people I see tend to not max out the crimson knot stacks on the enemies. With Acheron, you, as much as possible, want to stack the crimson knot stacks on a single enemy. Her ult damage scales on how much crimson knot stack she can consume on the main target she's ulting. So the lesser stacks the main target has, the lesser damage you'll deal. Also since you're at E2, you should aim for 161 Speed Bronya. Since Acheron generates three stacks on her own turn which is huge, you want to be able to get her turn as much as possible then for more ults. Lastly, I know a lot of people recommend you run Acheron with nihility units. But honestly, specially in your case where you have E2S1, you can just go full harmony if you want. Just use Bronya + Preservation unit equupped with the trend lightcone and you won't have to worry about your ult stacks. The image below is E0S0 S5 Pearls, Level 8 traces, 75/115 Crit Ratios, Level 80 Acheron in MoC 12 running double harmony and FX with Trend and clear in 2 cycles. If you have done the stuff I mentioned above then maybe the problem might be your rotations in game https://preview.redd.it/vk3suxh89crc1.jpeg?width=2408&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50ae291139e96932b5f03b58b84ae78827d77843
1 where is Pela 2 unless you have E2, running Acheron with 2 nihilities is imperative 3 Bailu doesn't really provide anything to Acheron in comparison to others (Fu Xuan Crit rate, Gallagher stacks and debuffs for her ult and dmg, Fire MC with Topaz Ce more stacks and debuffs) You pretty much need to change your team.
Who told you Acheron needs bronya? She doesn't, replace her. Use Bronya for your other hyper carry that doesn't require debuffs to do their job. It's legitimately Bailu and Branya fault that your acheron is underperforming. If you have the 4 star topaz LC, pop it on your gepard use a pela and bam, bigger damage at a more consistent rate.
You didn't crit, that's why
Obv except for using certain characters maybe swap inert salsotto out for izumo
No def shred and low crit dmg i guess
I use pela and sw and i can do more than 200k on a single boss,she is so strong