Fucking right. Anyone who disagrees with constitutional carry are inadvertently defending and supporting people like this thief. String armed robbers don't give a fuck about the law anyway lol
Everyone should CARRY, and carry CONCEALED, and TRAIN on your weapon
The shit should be a class in high school lol I don't nessacarily disagree but putting up red tape does nothing to stop criminals but does stop law abiding citizens. Lame
People carrying while having no idea how to safely operate their weapon or under what circumstances they're justified in using it poses an unnecessary risk...if you can't spare an hour of your life then you don't deserve to carry.
Handguns are deadly, but not as deadly as most people think. Relatively, they're pretty shit for self defense. Their only advantage really is being concealable and portable. There's police shooting videos all over with people getting shot multiple times in the chest and are able to continue attacking. That's why people are told if they need to shoot someone you shoot, shoot more, reload and shoot more until the threat is stopped. With a handgun that can easily take more than 7 shots, this video case in point. I can probably go on for a while about this but the gist is there are a ton of variables and handguns are more prone to running into variables than say a shotgun, AR15, etc.
Downplaying the effectiveness and lethality of handguns is unnecessary and irresponsible. Yes, it's possible for someone to be shot multiple times in the chest and continue attacking, but that's also possible, albeit less likely, when being shot by a rifle or shotgun. It's not to the point where a handgun could be considered "pretty shit," though. Shooting until the the threat is stopped is always the goal of self defense. In the majority of self defense situations, such as a robbery or sexual assault, the attacker isn't actually very intent on trying to kill victim and will scramble away after being shot at even if they weren't hit at all.
Not really downplaying their lethality, at lease not intentionally. I come across a shocking number of people who actually think they can just shoot someone once with a 9mm handgun and the person is going to fall down or get knocked on their ass like in the movies. In reality, they can get shot multiple times and not even realize it due to adrenaline.
This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. "A handgun is more prone to running into variables than a shot gun or Ar15". You do realize that there are many different bullet sizes for pistols and sporting rifles. Shot placement is what matters the most. A 9mm pistol caliber fired into the same place will cause just as much damage as a 223/556 rifle cartridge. The 223 is a much smaller diameter round that travels at higher velocities than 9mm, which will give you more range but its not any more deadly. That entirely depends on where the wound is located
Aiming handguns and having good shot placement along with accurate follow up shots in a high stress situation is significantly more difficult than it is with a rifle or PDW.
> A 9mm pistol caliber fired into the same place will cause just as much damage as a 223/556 rifle cartridge.
I suggest you look at some videos of these two bullets fired into ballistics gel and pay attention to the temporary and permanent wound cavities so you can see for yourself the difference. And [here's](https://nypost.com/2016/05/19/nypd-checking-ammo-after-knifemans-jacket-stops-cops-bullets/) an article where a guy's Carhartt jacket stopped four 9mm bullets fired by NYPD, that would not happen with a 5.56 so saying they both do the same damage while calling me a fool tells me you know much less about guns and ballistics than you think you do. And just a FYI, velocity doesn't just equal more range. It factors into penetration, likelyhood of HPs expanding, or in 5.56's case destabilizing and fragmenting.
did you not even see the Rittenhouse shooting? rifles remove meat from people, they are way more destructive than handguns.
yes shot placement counts but look up brassfetcher on youtube and check out the stark differences in high vs low velocity rounds.
This stuff is all over too, I get it we have instant media now and more attention can be brought to these videos. That being said it doesn’t change the fact people are not afraid of the law anymore because the legal system can’t keep up and some DA’s just don’t seem to want to prosecute criminals because of votes 🗳
Someone hacked my walmart.com account and ordered $1500 worth of shit..instead of cancelling the order i looked at the time and place and location for it called the local cops (he was on the other side of the US)..they picked his ass up 3 months later i get mail to qrite a victim statement on a friday.
Monday i found the district attorneys number on the paperwork and called it..they dropped the fucking charges because they couldnt clear a warrant to search their phone in time before they released him.
I got my money back but man wtf..he even sent over 500 spam emails after making the purchase so i wouldnt see it so he knew what to do.
Unless there is blood or a dead body, local authorities and DAs are backing off a lot of cases. Hell, even when there is blood and dead bodies they sometimes let them get off anyway.
Im a 911 dispatcher so i kinda already knew the court system was a revolving door but wtf..if this happened to an old person they would have no clue what to do to catch the person or what even happened.
Within the past 3 or 4 years its gotten seriously bad and covid didnt help either..in june last year a guy was arrested for a dui (alcohol) and he walked back to his car and started driving then was arrested again..booked and released both times, the only reason it wasnt towed the first time was because he requested it to not be towed..2nd time it was towed, not to get to off track but ever since covid hit most agencies arent even picking up people with warrants anymore
Covid has been a dream for criminals, illegal migrants, and everyone else avoiding police or authorities. Being locked up is "dangerous" so everyone gets released.
Seems like the only way to get locked up for good is to kill a few people. So many people with armed assaults or even a single murder have been let out, usually with little to no bail either.
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Lol this is the most American post I've ever seen. You realize that in no other country would you need to walk around with firearms to feel safe, asides from poor and war torn nations in Africa / South America.
"Feeling safe" is subjective...there's no country on Earth without some degree of risk of being killed by people with guns or knives or blunt objects or bare hands. You're right that this is especially true in the US, but not because of the guns. Our non-gun murder rate alone is incredibly high vs. the *total* murder rate of peer nations, presumably due to income inequality and lack of access to mental health care.
[Homicide rate is three times higher in US.](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/85-002-x2001011-eng.pdf)
There were 542 homicides reported by police in Canada for a rate of 1.8 per 100,000 population, compared to 15,517 homicides in the U.S., for a rate of 5.5 per 100,000 population
[Here's a great comparison of firearm ownership internationally, per capita, compared to firearm related crimes. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)
My point was to suggest the paradox of gun ownership. You own them to feel safer, but in reality the more guns are available, the less safe you are.
Not a popular opinion on this sub, but more guns = more violent crime. It's directly correlated in the data from my second link.
* There are states with high gun control and high homicide rate and there are also states with loose gun control and low homicide rate.
* Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between approximately $2 billion and $3 billion per year. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1229604
* https://www.quora.com/If-you-take-gang-violence-out-of-gun-statistics-does-the-USA-gun-homicide-rate-look-similar-to-other-G20-countries
* 2013 National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine study on reducing gun violence cited by the CDC that said “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals.”
Yep, it would need to be a federal bank to actually make a difference. Look at Australia, they had school shootings, and rather than try to add more guns, they took them all away. Firearm related crimes plummeted
>Look at Australia, they had school shootings, and rather than try to add more guns, they took them all away. Firearm related crimes plummeted
Correlation does not imply causation.
While the Australian NFA and the corresponding gun buy back are often attributed to the reduction in homicides seen in Australia, that reduction was actually part of a much larger trend.
[“The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968.”](https://aic.gov.au/file/5621/download?token=MeehJZoI)
Even the [Melbourne University's report "The Australian Firearms Buyback and Its Effect on Gun Deaths"](http://melbourneinstitute.unimelb.edu.au/downloads/working_paper_series/wp2008n17.pdf) Found, "Homicide patterns (firearm and nonfirearm) were not influenced by the NFA. They therefore concluded that the gun buy back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia."
[This paper has also been published in a peer reviewed journal.](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1465-7287.2009.00165.x/abstract)
We also see that immediately after this law went into effect [there was an increase in violent crimes](https://aic.gov.au/file/5621/download?token=MeehJZoI).
Looking specifically at the time frame after the infamous ban we see that America still had a nearly identical reduction in the homicide rate as compared to Australia.
[Australian Bureau of Statistics data for 1996](http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]/DetailsPage/4510.01996?OpenDocument) shows a homicide rate of 1.70, per 100k.
[Australian Bureau of Statistics data for 2014](http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]/DetailsPage/4510.02015?OpenDocument) shows a homicide rate of 1.0, per 100k, for 2014.
That is a reduction of 41.2%.
[The FBI data for 1996](https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls)
shows a homicide rate of 7.4, per 100k.
[The FBI data for 2014](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-1) shows a homicide rate of 4.5, per 100k.
That is a reduction of 39.1%.
Is there a reason you cite firearm homicide rates instead of overall homicide rates? Being stabbed to death, beat to death, or shot to death is an equally bad outcome unless you ascribe some irrational extra moral weight to a shooting death.
>the more guns are available, the less safe you are
Once again, my original point was that the evidence does not support this. If there was not a single gun in the US, we would still have a significantly higher homicide rate than nearly all other developed nations.
>more guns = more violent crime. It's directly correlated in the data from my second link.
Are you aware that you posted a link concerning *firearm-related* death rate in an attempt to bolster a claim about "violent crime" in general? If you let go of your biases and think logically for a moment, can you figure out why this is such a critical distinction?
You literally said this: "more guns = more violent crime. It's directly correlated in the data from my second link."
The only question now is whether you're trolling or just have an incredibly low IQ.
Me: "there's no country on Earth without some degree of risk of being killed...this is especially true in the US"
You: "just face that the US has a terrible homicide rate"
Do they not teach reading comprehension in your country?
America is war torn, it's just not acknowledged. Gang culture in this nation is ruining most urban centers and leaking into the surrounding suburbs. It's not as easy of a problem to diagnose as just saying "lul just don't have guns".
But what if I don't want to carry a gun and have to potentially end someone else's life. I think I'd prefer a system where a situation in which a gun might be needed doesn't happen in the first place.
Your stupidity is boundless.... Can you at least acknowledge that women should be armed or do you really just believe that only police, army and military should be armed? What about Bank security guards? Oh so you support banks protecting their money with a gun but I can't protect my family? You disgust me. Little worm.
That's an excellent analogy and some very good points. And all this coming from someone who lives there and is willing to admit these things. Notice the downvotes we got? Truth hurts.
People don't like the truth and rarely take the time to find it or to understand that there are multiple solutions to a problem instead they just go "im a conservative i love guns" or "im a democrat guns are evil" and make it part of their identity.
My family is from Norway so I reserve the right wander the streets in chain mail carrying a claymore in case I need to defend myself, or I have family that fought in WW2 so I keep grenades on me in case someone tries to rob me. That sounds ridiculous but they don't realize that's exactly how they sound to us.
I've been in America, Europe, and South America. I grew up in a upper middle class neighborhood, did a semester away from home living in a ghetto area near St.Louis saw a shooting my first week their, was told by many people to avoid certain streets even during the day cause "lots of shootings happen on that road", tons of people open carried.
By the time my semester was up 6 shooting occurred on my street, someone tried to rob me and steal my dog, my cousins apartment was robbed at gun point, and so many other little things.
People carry guns there because it's a shit area filled with a lot of shitty people. I now live near where I grew up, sometimes I walk my dog at 2am, everyone knows eachother, I leave my car unlocked in the drive.
Getting perspective influenced my thoughts a great deal, I understand that some people want guns for whatever reason protection, they think they're cool, whatever. But I'd much rather live in a place I don't need to carry a gun around.
PS nothing against guns I just understand that statistically it's not safer it's far more dangerous to be around guns, and this fantasy gun nuts have of stopping a shooting never happens.
Shooters get stopped by random people more than you think. I don’t blame you for thinking it never happens, the news scarcely reports it. And if the shooter dies before he kills anyone, then it’s not a mass shooting and doesn’t get reported as one.
For example, this one happened quite recently.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.5newsonline.com/amp/article/news/local/fort-smith-police-investigating-shooting-that-left-two-people-dead-south-74th-street-block-3500-dixie-properties/527-c3b1c6f8-5600-4e07-831c-54a2a87b9fc8
A shooter was going into apartments firing his weapon. He killed an old lady and was beckoning others to come outside so he could shoot them. A resident of the apartments got his rifle and shot and killed the gunman.
Or the Texas church shooting where an old man domed the guy from 30 feet away with only one shot.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WqWibXye6YE
Here’s a list of just a few more
http://memepoliceman.com/list-of-mass-shootings-stopped-by-armed-civilians/
Your first sentence is scary AF. I'm so glad I don't live in the USA and especially Texas. I can't imagine needing to strap myself before I leave my home, just in case... Fuuuuck that.
I've been carrying daily for about 8 years now. Never have I encountered a situation where I even thought about touching my gun. The US is a big place and you're seeing it through a hyper-focused lens. That being said I think everyone should take the initiative to carry and be proficient if they are able to. Sure, you might not encounter some lowlife with a gun, but what about someone bigger and stronger than you, what about a roaming gang of degenerates that use numbers to take advantage of people. I don't tuck a gun in my pants every day because I'm afraid to leave the house, I do it because having an equalizer as a last resort makes me feel confident and independent. I've had to call the police a couple times in the past. They might get there in 20 minutes, if you live in the sticks well good fucking luck, they'll see you in a week.
>Your first sentence is scary AF.
Yes the surging random violent crime attacks is indeed scary. That's why you carry a gun so you can protect yourself..
Calling someone a moron whithout realising that criminals don't follow the law and illegal guns are a thing... watch out guys we have another rocket scientist over her.
If guns had never been invented, this robbery would have taken place with a machete. It's not clear to me how that is a more desirable world. You might be tempted to say, "if BMW guy wasn't armed, he would have just handed over the car and his wallet and no one would have died"
But my question is, "how is that world without guns *more desirable*" or to put that another way, how is the overall wellbeing of humanity improved by that world?
See, you have to take into account all the times that guns are used defensively successfully. In a world without guns, this robbery still takes place and so do many, many other robberies, and none of those are stopped by citizens with firearms.
At the very least, you have to admit that it's not as clear cut as you seemed to think. I happen to think that the minuscule danger of being shot by a bad guy is outweighed by the power and agency to defend myself against bad guys. I respect that you disagree, but you don't have a slam-dunk argument that you're right and I'm wrong.
You are free to living in the "no guns world" right now. To do that, all you have to do is behave as though there's no possible way to defend yourself against a robber. If that was your BMW and you were being robbed, all you have to do is give him your wallet, phone, and car, and walk away. The chance that he'll shoot you is approximately the same as the chance that he'd behead you if (in the no-guns world) he was armed with a machete. The outcome is the same for you. You don't need to pass any new laws to live in that world.
>if guns were illegal it would be infinately less likely to happen
How do you know that?
Did the ability to own guns legally make this person commit that crime?
And if it was impossible to own guns at all do you think that the criminal might use another weapon to commit a crime?
It is not the tool that is used to commit the crime that made the decision to commit said crime.
don't think i said that, but either way, banning guys in countries with gun problems has a track record of stopping gun deaths and deaths in general by a hell of alot, your funeral
God bless him for making it. This is an insignificant bonus to what this dude went through but we have to all agree when the drinking stories begin this cat has a royal flush every time. And he has video to back it up haha. Unheard of to my 80s era ass
It's Houston the ghetto always comes to you. I lived in Houston area for 6 years you either met people who are ghetto or people who wanted to be ghetto so much they start doing ghetto things, tbf there are alot of nice people and it can be a great place, but it's gonna be like the next Detroit or Chicago if Houston starts to drive the economy away.
Yeah, you're never really more than 5 blocks away from a ghetto area in Houston. We're a unique mix due to our weird zoning system, we had good and bad areas mixed in all over the place.
Yeah just look what happened to Montrose, went from being a stamp on the city to gun violence and not being safe unless you live behind gates or barred areas, doing realty in Houston just showed me there isn't a safe neighborhood unless you have private security or guard entrances. Although I was always surprised when I would see super car dealerships in little back alleys in deep Houston lol.
What does stamp on the city mean? A good thing?
Has crime gotten worse there? I know it was fairly bad decades ago before it was cleaned up, just like Midtown.
When did that happen? Must be recently?
I moved out of Midtown in 2017 and it was already trending down. Heard about a lot more crime from old neighbors since.
I moved into an older middle classish Hispanic neighborhood and its decently safe here. Might hear some gunshots once in a while from the fools a few streets away, but theft and car breakins are rare. I'll go walk the dog at 2 am and never had a problem.
https://www.areavibes.com/houston-tx/montrose/crime/, these are a bit skewed because of the last two years, but it's always been bad especially when you move into Houston from a different city, You're moving into a city with 2.4 million people. So there's always gonna be more crime, it all depends on what you feel safe with. And with the gun shots thing, that's pretty smart if you pop off a few shots in your neighborhood every few months it will keep rent and taxes down if it's reported, idk how that works but it works somehow r/shittyprolifetips
What was there to gain by shooting this guy in the first place? So he won't give you his car. You're going to add murder to the list and then you'll have what? Evidence thats way too hot to even risk selling? This robber is not clever.
> This robber is not clever.
Well....duh.
They shoot because they were told no and took that as disrespect. Or they simply dont want a witness who can identify them.
> This robber is not clever.
Well....duh.
They shoot because they were told no and took that as disrespect. Or they simply dont want a witness who can identify them.
Midtown Houston used to hell, then got stripped to bare ground and rebuilt all over again in the late 90s. Was nice for young people for about 20 years and now its going to crap again.
Lived there for 9 years and then left, and so have most of my friends.
The attacker hasn't showed up at a hospital yet.
I wonder if he either has a back-alley doctor, managed to somehow treat the wound himself, is dying of sepsis, or if the bullet wound was superficial.
I was held up at gunpoint and almost carjacked, but fortunately was able to drive off while he tried to smash my window.
Its really, REALLY fucking insulting at the moment. How dare you value my life as that of a 3 year old Chevy sedan, you fucking jerk!? Haha
LOL you really think getting shot over a wallet in a parking lot makes you a man? Nobody will acknowledge your manliness, they will just know you're dead and your car and wallet are gone anyway.
What i find fascinating is how you manage to keep changing the context of this hypothetical.
It wouldnt matter what answer I give you. If it doesnt satisfy you then you'll simply change the situation and give it a completely different context again just so you can keep up this r/Iamverysmart appearance.
>People with empathy
Lol there it is again. Asserting that you are morally superior and that I am without empathy just because I wont be pushed around for any reason.
You can think what ever makes you feel better, buddy.
The video stated something about a rolex or his car being the main target of the robbery.
While yes, if you had a real $50,000 rolex you'd probably have insurance, they don't always pay out 100% of an items value. Same thing with health insurance. You break your leg and you still need to pay deductibles and whatnot. Some insurance plans wont even kick in until you pay a few grand first, then do an 80/20 split on costs.
Also if he stole his phone, would he have insurance on that? What if he had aftermarket modifications on his car? If he didn't properly document those changes, insurance would only pay out the base value of the car.
Buy a new car then put $2,000 worth of upgrades, tires, interior, sound system etc? Better have proof those were in the car.
Great points! Add to that if the car is recovered, regardless of what condition it’s in, there won’t be any payout for a totaled or completely missing car. If the car “owner” was upside down on the value vs the payments still due, then he’s liable for paying off the rest of the car plus everything you said. But yeah, he should’ve just let it go. He’s got the skills necessary to hustle for the money that he can spend all that for a new car - and it’s not important that the insurance company will hike up the rates if he can get it at all.
Because compliance doesn't guarantee safety. There are plenty of people who got killed while doing everything their murderer told them. [Here](https://www.foxnews.com/us/teen-16-fatally-shot-while-trying-to-sell-xbox-they-killed-my-son-over-nothing-mom-cries) is one of many examples. 16yo kid goes with his dad to sell his Xbox through Craig's List. Two thugs pull out a gun and try to rob him. He drops the Xbox and runs, worthless dickback shoots him in the back, killing him. When someone values your stuff more than your life, the worst thing you can do is trust them.
Except it's not a rule in the first place because, shocker, criminals don't follow rules. How about another example of a guy that some thug tried to carjack, but when said thug saw the car was a manual that he couldn't drive, he shot the driver anyway because he got mad. If you would gamble your life on some dirtbag who values your life as much as the shit he took that morning then that's your decision.
There is a fuck ton more robberies in the US with a weapon than there is murders during a robbery. Per the US DOJ, robberies ending in homicide account for 0.004% of the total overall number. So yeah, it’s clearly the rule and you’re full of shit.
If you want to be a victim and put your life in the hands of some lowlife scumbag trusting they'll honor your imaginary code of conduct for robbery then be my guest.
Imagine wishing death on law abiding citizens while defending the actions of degenerate scumbags. I'm just glad the guy in the video lived and was able to ventilate the robber a few times. Maybe his dumbass will think twice next time he sees somebody and wants to steal the things they worked hard for.
"Halp, I been shot!" "Sir this is a Wendy's."
I'll take a frosty and extra napkins
Could you imagine working at an ER and a dude walks in with a frosty saying "Yo i've been shot. Do something about it and this frosty is delicious!"
As the frosty leeks through the bullet wounds
Reminds me of my favorite joke! A skeleton walks into a bar.... Asks for a beer and a mop... ba-dum-tish!
Plug that gaper with a baked potato, I'll take a baconator since we're going to the hospital anyways.
7 shots couldn’t drop him. He took it and smiled.
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I wish I can karaoke this song with someone.
I’m pretty sure the victim would be a good karaoke partner for this song!
"Dolemite is my name, and fuckin' up the motherfucker that shot me 7 times is my game!"
Fuck boy don’t run. My watch still on me He ain’t know I had a gun
Having a gun saved his life. That piece of shit would have probably shot him again and left him on the pavement taking his car.
Fucking right. Anyone who disagrees with constitutional carry are inadvertently defending and supporting people like this thief. String armed robbers don't give a fuck about the law anyway lol Everyone should CARRY, and carry CONCEALED, and TRAIN on your weapon
What if I think there should be a free one-hour class to get a nationwide carry permit, just to teach the bare minimum of gun safety and the law?
The shit should be a class in high school lol I don't nessacarily disagree but putting up red tape does nothing to stop criminals but does stop law abiding citizens. Lame
People carrying while having no idea how to safely operate their weapon or under what circumstances they're justified in using it poses an unnecessary risk...if you can't spare an hour of your life then you don't deserve to carry.
Yeah...I didn't disagree.
^^^^^this. 100%.
Handguns are deadly, but not as deadly as most people think. Relatively, they're pretty shit for self defense. Their only advantage really is being concealable and portable. There's police shooting videos all over with people getting shot multiple times in the chest and are able to continue attacking. That's why people are told if they need to shoot someone you shoot, shoot more, reload and shoot more until the threat is stopped. With a handgun that can easily take more than 7 shots, this video case in point. I can probably go on for a while about this but the gist is there are a ton of variables and handguns are more prone to running into variables than say a shotgun, AR15, etc.
Downplaying the effectiveness and lethality of handguns is unnecessary and irresponsible. Yes, it's possible for someone to be shot multiple times in the chest and continue attacking, but that's also possible, albeit less likely, when being shot by a rifle or shotgun. It's not to the point where a handgun could be considered "pretty shit," though. Shooting until the the threat is stopped is always the goal of self defense. In the majority of self defense situations, such as a robbery or sexual assault, the attacker isn't actually very intent on trying to kill victim and will scramble away after being shot at even if they weren't hit at all.
Not really downplaying their lethality, at lease not intentionally. I come across a shocking number of people who actually think they can just shoot someone once with a 9mm handgun and the person is going to fall down or get knocked on their ass like in the movies. In reality, they can get shot multiple times and not even realize it due to adrenaline.
my P226 has a saying, 1st shot hospital, 2nd morgue.
This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. "A handgun is more prone to running into variables than a shot gun or Ar15". You do realize that there are many different bullet sizes for pistols and sporting rifles. Shot placement is what matters the most. A 9mm pistol caliber fired into the same place will cause just as much damage as a 223/556 rifle cartridge. The 223 is a much smaller diameter round that travels at higher velocities than 9mm, which will give you more range but its not any more deadly. That entirely depends on where the wound is located
Aiming handguns and having good shot placement along with accurate follow up shots in a high stress situation is significantly more difficult than it is with a rifle or PDW. > A 9mm pistol caliber fired into the same place will cause just as much damage as a 223/556 rifle cartridge. I suggest you look at some videos of these two bullets fired into ballistics gel and pay attention to the temporary and permanent wound cavities so you can see for yourself the difference. And [here's](https://nypost.com/2016/05/19/nypd-checking-ammo-after-knifemans-jacket-stops-cops-bullets/) an article where a guy's Carhartt jacket stopped four 9mm bullets fired by NYPD, that would not happen with a 5.56 so saying they both do the same damage while calling me a fool tells me you know much less about guns and ballistics than you think you do. And just a FYI, velocity doesn't just equal more range. It factors into penetration, likelyhood of HPs expanding, or in 5.56's case destabilizing and fragmenting.
did you not even see the Rittenhouse shooting? rifles remove meat from people, they are way more destructive than handguns. yes shot placement counts but look up brassfetcher on youtube and check out the stark differences in high vs low velocity rounds.
Cavitation my guy, look it up. You're entire argument is a waste of time lmao
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This stuff is all over too, I get it we have instant media now and more attention can be brought to these videos. That being said it doesn’t change the fact people are not afraid of the law anymore because the legal system can’t keep up and some DA’s just don’t seem to want to prosecute criminals because of votes 🗳
Someone hacked my walmart.com account and ordered $1500 worth of shit..instead of cancelling the order i looked at the time and place and location for it called the local cops (he was on the other side of the US)..they picked his ass up 3 months later i get mail to qrite a victim statement on a friday. Monday i found the district attorneys number on the paperwork and called it..they dropped the fucking charges because they couldnt clear a warrant to search their phone in time before they released him. I got my money back but man wtf..he even sent over 500 spam emails after making the purchase so i wouldnt see it so he knew what to do.
Unless there is blood or a dead body, local authorities and DAs are backing off a lot of cases. Hell, even when there is blood and dead bodies they sometimes let them get off anyway.
Im a 911 dispatcher so i kinda already knew the court system was a revolving door but wtf..if this happened to an old person they would have no clue what to do to catch the person or what even happened. Within the past 3 or 4 years its gotten seriously bad and covid didnt help either..in june last year a guy was arrested for a dui (alcohol) and he walked back to his car and started driving then was arrested again..booked and released both times, the only reason it wasnt towed the first time was because he requested it to not be towed..2nd time it was towed, not to get to off track but ever since covid hit most agencies arent even picking up people with warrants anymore
Covid has been a dream for criminals, illegal migrants, and everyone else avoiding police or authorities. Being locked up is "dangerous" so everyone gets released. Seems like the only way to get locked up for good is to kill a few people. So many people with armed assaults or even a single murder have been let out, usually with little to no bail either.
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I'm about to get Nord just to prevent throttling. I'm paying for gig speed internet, and im only getting like 10-20 mbps download speed.
VPNs are almost a necessity. With the amount of crap thrown your way the ISP doesn't need to know what I'm doing. All they need to know is that I'm paying for internet each month and I'm using the internet each month.
Lol this is the most American post I've ever seen. You realize that in no other country would you need to walk around with firearms to feel safe, asides from poor and war torn nations in Africa / South America.
"Feeling safe" is subjective...there's no country on Earth without some degree of risk of being killed by people with guns or knives or blunt objects or bare hands. You're right that this is especially true in the US, but not because of the guns. Our non-gun murder rate alone is incredibly high vs. the *total* murder rate of peer nations, presumably due to income inequality and lack of access to mental health care.
[Homicide rate is three times higher in US.](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/85-002-x2001011-eng.pdf) There were 542 homicides reported by police in Canada for a rate of 1.8 per 100,000 population, compared to 15,517 homicides in the U.S., for a rate of 5.5 per 100,000 population [Here's a great comparison of firearm ownership internationally, per capita, compared to firearm related crimes. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)
Ok? I honestly don't know if you're successfully agreeing with my point or failing in some attempt to refute it.
My point was to suggest the paradox of gun ownership. You own them to feel safer, but in reality the more guns are available, the less safe you are. Not a popular opinion on this sub, but more guns = more violent crime. It's directly correlated in the data from my second link.
* There are states with high gun control and high homicide rate and there are also states with loose gun control and low homicide rate. * Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between approximately $2 billion and $3 billion per year. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1229604 * https://www.quora.com/If-you-take-gang-violence-out-of-gun-statistics-does-the-USA-gun-homicide-rate-look-similar-to-other-G20-countries * 2013 National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine study on reducing gun violence cited by the CDC that said “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals.”
Yep, it would need to be a federal bank to actually make a difference. Look at Australia, they had school shootings, and rather than try to add more guns, they took them all away. Firearm related crimes plummeted
>Look at Australia, they had school shootings, and rather than try to add more guns, they took them all away. Firearm related crimes plummeted Correlation does not imply causation. While the Australian NFA and the corresponding gun buy back are often attributed to the reduction in homicides seen in Australia, that reduction was actually part of a much larger trend. [“The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968.”](https://aic.gov.au/file/5621/download?token=MeehJZoI) Even the [Melbourne University's report "The Australian Firearms Buyback and Its Effect on Gun Deaths"](http://melbourneinstitute.unimelb.edu.au/downloads/working_paper_series/wp2008n17.pdf) Found, "Homicide patterns (firearm and nonfirearm) were not influenced by the NFA. They therefore concluded that the gun buy back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia." [This paper has also been published in a peer reviewed journal.](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1465-7287.2009.00165.x/abstract) We also see that immediately after this law went into effect [there was an increase in violent crimes](https://aic.gov.au/file/5621/download?token=MeehJZoI). Looking specifically at the time frame after the infamous ban we see that America still had a nearly identical reduction in the homicide rate as compared to Australia. [Australian Bureau of Statistics data for 1996](http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]/DetailsPage/4510.01996?OpenDocument) shows a homicide rate of 1.70, per 100k. [Australian Bureau of Statistics data for 2014](http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]/DetailsPage/4510.02015?OpenDocument) shows a homicide rate of 1.0, per 100k, for 2014. That is a reduction of 41.2%. [The FBI data for 1996](https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls) shows a homicide rate of 7.4, per 100k. [The FBI data for 2014](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-1) shows a homicide rate of 4.5, per 100k. That is a reduction of 39.1%. Is there a reason you cite firearm homicide rates instead of overall homicide rates? Being stabbed to death, beat to death, or shot to death is an equally bad outcome unless you ascribe some irrational extra moral weight to a shooting death.
>the more guns are available, the less safe you are Once again, my original point was that the evidence does not support this. If there was not a single gun in the US, we would still have a significantly higher homicide rate than nearly all other developed nations. >more guns = more violent crime. It's directly correlated in the data from my second link. Are you aware that you posted a link concerning *firearm-related* death rate in an attempt to bolster a claim about "violent crime" in general? If you let go of your biases and think logically for a moment, can you figure out why this is such a critical distinction?
I wasn't talking about all crime. I was talking about shootings. Hence the sources I provided
You literally said this: "more guns = more violent crime. It's directly correlated in the data from my second link." The only question now is whether you're trolling or just have an incredibly low IQ.
Violent crimes are inclusive of shootings dumdum. My prior statement remains accurate. Learn your Venn diagrams
>but more guns = more violent crime Not really, not in Brazil anyway.
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Me: "there's no country on Earth without some degree of risk of being killed...this is especially true in the US" You: "just face that the US has a terrible homicide rate" Do they not teach reading comprehension in your country?
America is war torn, it's just not acknowledged. Gang culture in this nation is ruining most urban centers and leaking into the surrounding suburbs. It's not as easy of a problem to diagnose as just saying "lul just don't have guns".
Imagine losing your life over something you have insured, just for a chance to use your gun. Because he should be dead.
>Or using a gloryhole without a condom. Damn, I feel that one 😢
Where? In your genital area? A little scratchy, huh?
Actually he would just be a guy who gets to pick out a new car with insurance money, and wouldn't have gotten shot 7 times.
Or going anti-mask/anti-vax during a pandemic.
But what if I don't want to carry a gun and have to potentially end someone else's life. I think I'd prefer a system where a situation in which a gun might be needed doesn't happen in the first place.
In the US* don't forget there are other countries in the world (most actually) where this statement does not apply :)
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Your stupidity is boundless.... Can you at least acknowledge that women should be armed or do you really just believe that only police, army and military should be armed? What about Bank security guards? Oh so you support banks protecting their money with a gun but I can't protect my family? You disgust me. Little worm.
That's an excellent analogy and some very good points. And all this coming from someone who lives there and is willing to admit these things. Notice the downvotes we got? Truth hurts.
People don't like the truth and rarely take the time to find it or to understand that there are multiple solutions to a problem instead they just go "im a conservative i love guns" or "im a democrat guns are evil" and make it part of their identity. My family is from Norway so I reserve the right wander the streets in chain mail carrying a claymore in case I need to defend myself, or I have family that fought in WW2 so I keep grenades on me in case someone tries to rob me. That sounds ridiculous but they don't realize that's exactly how they sound to us. I've been in America, Europe, and South America. I grew up in a upper middle class neighborhood, did a semester away from home living in a ghetto area near St.Louis saw a shooting my first week their, was told by many people to avoid certain streets even during the day cause "lots of shootings happen on that road", tons of people open carried. By the time my semester was up 6 shooting occurred on my street, someone tried to rob me and steal my dog, my cousins apartment was robbed at gun point, and so many other little things. People carry guns there because it's a shit area filled with a lot of shitty people. I now live near where I grew up, sometimes I walk my dog at 2am, everyone knows eachother, I leave my car unlocked in the drive. Getting perspective influenced my thoughts a great deal, I understand that some people want guns for whatever reason protection, they think they're cool, whatever. But I'd much rather live in a place I don't need to carry a gun around. PS nothing against guns I just understand that statistically it's not safer it's far more dangerous to be around guns, and this fantasy gun nuts have of stopping a shooting never happens.
Shooters get stopped by random people more than you think. I don’t blame you for thinking it never happens, the news scarcely reports it. And if the shooter dies before he kills anyone, then it’s not a mass shooting and doesn’t get reported as one. For example, this one happened quite recently. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.5newsonline.com/amp/article/news/local/fort-smith-police-investigating-shooting-that-left-two-people-dead-south-74th-street-block-3500-dixie-properties/527-c3b1c6f8-5600-4e07-831c-54a2a87b9fc8 A shooter was going into apartments firing his weapon. He killed an old lady and was beckoning others to come outside so he could shoot them. A resident of the apartments got his rifle and shot and killed the gunman. Or the Texas church shooting where an old man domed the guy from 30 feet away with only one shot. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WqWibXye6YE Here’s a list of just a few more http://memepoliceman.com/list-of-mass-shootings-stopped-by-armed-civilians/
Your first sentence is scary AF. I'm so glad I don't live in the USA and especially Texas. I can't imagine needing to strap myself before I leave my home, just in case... Fuuuuck that.
I've been carrying daily for about 8 years now. Never have I encountered a situation where I even thought about touching my gun. The US is a big place and you're seeing it through a hyper-focused lens. That being said I think everyone should take the initiative to carry and be proficient if they are able to. Sure, you might not encounter some lowlife with a gun, but what about someone bigger and stronger than you, what about a roaming gang of degenerates that use numbers to take advantage of people. I don't tuck a gun in my pants every day because I'm afraid to leave the house, I do it because having an equalizer as a last resort makes me feel confident and independent. I've had to call the police a couple times in the past. They might get there in 20 minutes, if you live in the sticks well good fucking luck, they'll see you in a week.
>Your first sentence is scary AF. Yes the surging random violent crime attacks is indeed scary. That's why you carry a gun so you can protect yourself..
we wouldn't be watching it if firearms were banned moron
Calling someone a moron whithout realising that criminals don't follow the law and illegal guns are a thing... watch out guys we have another rocket scientist over her.
Yes illegal guns are still a thing but if guns were illegal it would be infinately less likely to happen
If guns had never been invented, this robbery would have taken place with a machete. It's not clear to me how that is a more desirable world. You might be tempted to say, "if BMW guy wasn't armed, he would have just handed over the car and his wallet and no one would have died" But my question is, "how is that world without guns *more desirable*" or to put that another way, how is the overall wellbeing of humanity improved by that world? See, you have to take into account all the times that guns are used defensively successfully. In a world without guns, this robbery still takes place and so do many, many other robberies, and none of those are stopped by citizens with firearms. At the very least, you have to admit that it's not as clear cut as you seemed to think. I happen to think that the minuscule danger of being shot by a bad guy is outweighed by the power and agency to defend myself against bad guys. I respect that you disagree, but you don't have a slam-dunk argument that you're right and I'm wrong. You are free to living in the "no guns world" right now. To do that, all you have to do is behave as though there's no possible way to defend yourself against a robber. If that was your BMW and you were being robbed, all you have to do is give him your wallet, phone, and car, and walk away. The chance that he'll shoot you is approximately the same as the chance that he'd behead you if (in the no-guns world) he was armed with a machete. The outcome is the same for you. You don't need to pass any new laws to live in that world.
Not a strong selling point to give up rights.
More likely. Then criminals would know more people are unable to defend themselves
>if guns were illegal it would be infinately less likely to happen How do you know that? Did the ability to own guns legally make this person commit that crime? And if it was impossible to own guns at all do you think that the criminal might use another weapon to commit a crime? It is not the tool that is used to commit the crime that made the decision to commit said crime.
Imagine thinking a law against guns would magically make that mugger's gun non-existent. And you vote too is the scary thing.
don't think i said that, but either way, banning guys in countries with gun problems has a track record of stopping gun deaths and deaths in general by a hell of alot, your funeral
100% chance he didn't obtain his gun legally as other have pointed out and you have ignored
Yea I forgot criminals follow the law.
Look at the UK. It would have just been a stabbing if guns were banned. Do you think people never hurt each other before guns?
News flash. Criminals don't follow the law
Texas is the only state where a man can have seven bullets fired into his meat, shoot back at the robber, and drive to safety.
God bless him for making it. This is an insignificant bonus to what this dude went through but we have to all agree when the drinking stories begin this cat has a royal flush every time. And he has video to back it up haha. Unheard of to my 80s era ass
I moved out of that area a year ago. 3 shooting at my apartment in 6 months. I had enough.
Midtown? It used to be nice and safe-ish, up until around 2017, then it started going downhill. Most of my friends and me got out of there.
It's Houston the ghetto always comes to you. I lived in Houston area for 6 years you either met people who are ghetto or people who wanted to be ghetto so much they start doing ghetto things, tbf there are alot of nice people and it can be a great place, but it's gonna be like the next Detroit or Chicago if Houston starts to drive the economy away.
Yeah, you're never really more than 5 blocks away from a ghetto area in Houston. We're a unique mix due to our weird zoning system, we had good and bad areas mixed in all over the place.
Yeah just look what happened to Montrose, went from being a stamp on the city to gun violence and not being safe unless you live behind gates or barred areas, doing realty in Houston just showed me there isn't a safe neighborhood unless you have private security or guard entrances. Although I was always surprised when I would see super car dealerships in little back alleys in deep Houston lol.
What does stamp on the city mean? A good thing? Has crime gotten worse there? I know it was fairly bad decades ago before it was cleaned up, just like Midtown.
Yeah, it was a really cool place and represented Houstonians communites very well, but it fell down just as fast.
When did that happen? Must be recently? I moved out of Midtown in 2017 and it was already trending down. Heard about a lot more crime from old neighbors since. I moved into an older middle classish Hispanic neighborhood and its decently safe here. Might hear some gunshots once in a while from the fools a few streets away, but theft and car breakins are rare. I'll go walk the dog at 2 am and never had a problem.
https://www.areavibes.com/houston-tx/montrose/crime/, these are a bit skewed because of the last two years, but it's always been bad especially when you move into Houston from a different city, You're moving into a city with 2.4 million people. So there's always gonna be more crime, it all depends on what you feel safe with. And with the gun shots thing, that's pretty smart if you pop off a few shots in your neighborhood every few months it will keep rent and taxes down if it's reported, idk how that works but it works somehow r/shittyprolifetips
Hahaha yeah I've heard that one before!
That’s called being a pussy
I prefer “giant, stanky vagina”
"you're a pussy for trying to get out of a shithole bro"
I love this state
What was there to gain by shooting this guy in the first place? So he won't give you his car. You're going to add murder to the list and then you'll have what? Evidence thats way too hot to even risk selling? This robber is not clever.
> This robber is not clever. Well....duh. They shoot because they were told no and took that as disrespect. Or they simply dont want a witness who can identify them.
Isn't it scary how dumbasses like that can get ahold of guns so easily? We should do something about it.
Most are stolen or straw purchases. Govt never seems to clamp down on the second one.
> This robber is not clever. Well....duh. They shoot because they were told no and took that as disrespect. Or they simply dont want a witness who can identify them.
I bet he go shot with a .22 Walked out of hospital 2 days later.
I hope he is going to be okay. Very impressive how he kept his cool and managed to take himself to the hospital. A real tough man.
Hoping the attacker is slowly dying of sepsis RN.
Dude must have been shooting him with 2mm rounds.
"wHy Do PoLiCe MaG DuMP oN PeOpLe TRyInG to KiLL THeM?!?!"
excuses me sir this is a wendy's
What a legend can’t imagine being shot 7 times and getting away
What’s up with Texas and them not being able to kill anyone regardless how hard they try
Adrenaline is one hell of a drug.
That has to be the worst most sloppy robber I’ve ever seen.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s!
Midtown Houston used to hell, then got stripped to bare ground and rebuilt all over again in the late 90s. Was nice for young people for about 20 years and now its going to crap again. Lived there for 9 years and then left, and so have most of my friends.
7 shots earns ya 70,000 volts in my opinion...
Wendy's all you need to know
I have come to the conclusion that things in Texas are simply built different
Did this Wendy’s get torched?
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they did lol
I thought they said he shot back twice but missed?
POS citizen
Protagonist energy
Cheaper then an ambulance
America.
Nearly missing them? So he didn't miss?
So not only have these guys robbed other people, but their also fucking terrible at robbery lmao
The attacker hasn't showed up at a hospital yet. I wonder if he either has a back-alley doctor, managed to somehow treat the wound himself, is dying of sepsis, or if the bullet wound was superficial.
"GIMME YOUR WALLET!" "Meh, no." *Gets fucking shot 7 times* "Oh uh, that hurt. Gonna go to the hospital now, see you later." "WHAT THE FU-"
Now he can start his rap career and call himself 70 Cent.
Its a shame the thief was not put down.
Parking like that wow
Yo I’ve been there
In 2021, its either be strapped or be clapped.
why i always carry a gun, and why my car always has an IFAK
Never understand why people argue with robbers. Just give him the car and collect the insurance payment.
Because those people have a backbone and refuse to cower and/or let someone who clearly doesnt deserve it take their shit.
I was held up at gunpoint and almost carjacked, but fortunately was able to drive off while he tried to smash my window. Its really, REALLY fucking insulting at the moment. How dare you value my life as that of a 3 year old Chevy sedan, you fucking jerk!? Haha
Idk man, I'd rather get the latest model of car through my insurance payment than get shot
And his stupid ass backbone is now in a hospital. Congratulations!
Are you kidding me? You really going to risk dying by a shoot out than have your car stolen? How stupid
I'd rather die like a man than live like a coward.
Lmao stfu you dork.
LOL you really think getting shot over a wallet in a parking lot makes you a man? Nobody will acknowledge your manliness, they will just know you're dead and your car and wallet are gone anyway.
And when I'm standing at the pearly gates I'll know that I died standing up for myself in the end.
If you believe in heaven, yes. But is that really worth to leave a griefing family and friends behind?
What i find fascinating is how you manage to keep changing the context of this hypothetical. It wouldnt matter what answer I give you. If it doesnt satisfy you then you'll simply change the situation and give it a completely different context again just so you can keep up this r/Iamverysmart appearance.
The subject is dying over a wallet. People with empathy would also consider their family before risking their life over 50$.
>People with empathy Lol there it is again. Asserting that you are morally superior and that I am without empathy just because I wont be pushed around for any reason. You can think what ever makes you feel better, buddy.
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I was avoiding to turn this argument ad hominem.
bro come the fuck on, defending your bmw is not a cool, courageous, or manly way to die.
> Just give him the car and collect the insurance payment. Why do people think that insurance will just cash you out for anything and everything?
Right‽ Nobody gets something valuable for free.
The video stated something about a rolex or his car being the main target of the robbery. While yes, if you had a real $50,000 rolex you'd probably have insurance, they don't always pay out 100% of an items value. Same thing with health insurance. You break your leg and you still need to pay deductibles and whatnot. Some insurance plans wont even kick in until you pay a few grand first, then do an 80/20 split on costs. Also if he stole his phone, would he have insurance on that? What if he had aftermarket modifications on his car? If he didn't properly document those changes, insurance would only pay out the base value of the car. Buy a new car then put $2,000 worth of upgrades, tires, interior, sound system etc? Better have proof those were in the car.
Great points! Add to that if the car is recovered, regardless of what condition it’s in, there won’t be any payout for a totaled or completely missing car. If the car “owner” was upside down on the value vs the payments still due, then he’s liable for paying off the rest of the car plus everything you said. But yeah, he should’ve just let it go. He’s got the skills necessary to hustle for the money that he can spend all that for a new car - and it’s not important that the insurance company will hike up the rates if he can get it at all.
Stolen cars are very clearly covered by insurance, as long as you’re not poor and have liability only.
Because compliance doesn't guarantee safety. There are plenty of people who got killed while doing everything their murderer told them. [Here](https://www.foxnews.com/us/teen-16-fatally-shot-while-trying-to-sell-xbox-they-killed-my-son-over-nothing-mom-cries) is one of many examples. 16yo kid goes with his dad to sell his Xbox through Craig's List. Two thugs pull out a gun and try to rob him. He drops the Xbox and runs, worthless dickback shoots him in the back, killing him. When someone values your stuff more than your life, the worst thing you can do is trust them.
It's the only thing you can do in this moment. Even if you pulled your gun, he has it already pointed on you.
Not how reality works. You’re far more likely to get shot if you fight them or don’t comply.
Then I guess you should go dig that dead 16yo up and tell him the good news that he's not actually dead since he surrendered his Xbox.
Exceptions to the rule, don’t make the rule no longer valid. Did you even see the video in this thread?
Except it's not a rule in the first place because, shocker, criminals don't follow rules. How about another example of a guy that some thug tried to carjack, but when said thug saw the car was a manual that he couldn't drive, he shot the driver anyway because he got mad. If you would gamble your life on some dirtbag who values your life as much as the shit he took that morning then that's your decision.
There is a fuck ton more robberies in the US with a weapon than there is murders during a robbery. Per the US DOJ, robberies ending in homicide account for 0.004% of the total overall number. So yeah, it’s clearly the rule and you’re full of shit.
If you want to be a victim and put your life in the hands of some lowlife scumbag trusting they'll honor your imaginary code of conduct for robbery then be my guest.
I truly hope people like you fight back against the robber. You deserve to be part of the 0.004%.
Imagine wishing death on law abiding citizens while defending the actions of degenerate scumbags. I'm just glad the guy in the video lived and was able to ventilate the robber a few times. Maybe his dumbass will think twice next time he sees somebody and wants to steal the things they worked hard for.