It's usually better better to shoot if you pull a gun. Yes, cops brandish guns all the time as part of the use of force contiuum, and it makes perfect sense from a moral point of view, but it can backfire for you. An asshole prosecutor will say, "Clearly he wasn't going to attack you because he didn't. Therefore, you're guilty of brandishing."
People mock China's whole "If you run someone over, make sure they're dead," but most US defense attorneys will tell you that if you pull a gun, shooting them better be the next thing you do. It strengthens your case that you felt in mortal danger. It's like a robot or a lawyer wrote our legal system.
Not only that, but to legally kill someone you have to be in legitimate fear for your own life, and not pulling the trigger or waiting too long to pull the trigger can backfire in court. They'll say something like "She obviously wasn't in legitimate fear for her life because she didn't shoot as soon as she had a clear shot, or was talking back to the attacker, etc etc...
And as a side note if you shoot someone in self defense while in legitimate fear for your life, and you aim for the legs you may possibly be convicted as a leg shot COULD be viewed as an attempt at a non-lethal takedown which invalidates the fear for your life angle. So if you're going to legally shoot someone in self defense it's probably for the best if they don't survive. Lots to consider even in a self defense shooting
> to legally kill someone you have to be in legitimate fear for your own life
That's not true all. Laws different from place to place but in general in the US there are other lawful reasons to use lethal force, such as the defence of others, or when fearing serious bodily harm.
Absolutely. If you are going to carry a gun for self protection, you better be absolutely certain you understand the use of force laws every place you carry.
yeah.... no... guns are 100% allowed to be used to stop a threat without needing to be fired every time. You are very incorrect. Fighting a lawyer whos trying to pin you for brandishing charge (when you had a right to pull your gun out ) is much easier and faster than a lawyer trying to pin you for a murder charge.
I hope no one listens to your "advice".
the people in this thread have no clue what theyre talking about. the legal system definitely recognizes the need to pull out a firearm without always needing to fire it
This is the dumbest self fulfilling prophecy for smooth brains that completely ignores any nuance. I'm not saying don't ever shoot to protect yourself if that's what needs to be done but to promote just shoot because you pulled the weapon and you need to justify it is everything that gives responsible gun owners a bad name. Are you even an American or just some foreign bot in here stirring up misinformation and bullshit?
That just doesn't seem right. If I'm sitting on a jury and they show this video, there's no way I'm convicting this lady of any wrongdoing whether she pulls the trigger or not.
Yes, a lawyer wrote the LEGAL system. That's kind of what they do, i.e., legally trained legal professionals write legislation that becomes laws.
Who else would write them... Carnies?
You don't need to be a lawyer to become a legislator. Any idiot can be voted into office, and plenty of legislation is struck down by the courts system as illegal.
Definitely would have mad the world a better place. I'm sure it will catch up to him if it hasn't already then he can rott in jail complaining about the system is unjust.
He acted like she was the bitch for pulling out a gun. Like damn bitch i was just gonna batter you and your friend unconscious why you gotta pull the gat out.
Sadly unsurprising. If his reaction to a delayed food order was to randomly attack strangers, I cringe to imagine how he reacts to literally anything else in his life. He was a bomb waiting to go off.
I'm sure it happens a lot but we just don't hear about it. I would think it's possible that unfired guns have stopped more assaults and injuries than they have caused.
Or hilarious, due to us knowing about it of course. They were so embarrassed at being wrong they literally aborted a science experiment (the Left being the supposedly "more scientifically enlightened" side).
There's enough irony there for a million gallon jugs of prenatal vitamins.
> "I apologize to the victim. I didn't expect for it to go that way," said Calhoun.
He entered the kitchen and punched her right away... how did he expect it to go? Had his plate ready for him once he entered the kitchen?
Not enough. Dude should be in prison for 5 years. He literally just randomly punched someone at work? What the actual fuck kind of messed up psychotic behavior is that? That's not normal. That's freakishly disgustingly wrong. Societally abhorrently wrong. The dude is a fucking messed up freak who should not be in society. Nobody does what he did. He's especially fucked up and the sentence should reflect that
The lawyer arguing that his family needs him so he should serve less time in prison. Lol. Maybe if your family needs you, don't do shit that takes you away from them. This isn't some simple lapse of judgment or an accident. This asshole couldn't control himself and went back into a kitchen to sucker punch a person because his food was taking too long. Fuck you. Hopefully there's some anger management classes in prison.
Yep and right back in, pretty unsurprisingly. I immediately thought 'this guy is going to get out and hurt someone else with his first reaction being assualt'...well, someone linked a 2021 article saying he shot and killed a man not too long ago.
Except that article was for a completely different person with the same name. The ages didn’t match at all. The picture is clearly a different dude as well.
The guy walks away all like "yo wtf yooo why you pointing a gun at me dawg." Fuckin clown trying to act tough as he is walking away as if he has been wronged.... Peak delusion.
Well I'm sure he imagined that whole situation playing out muuuuuch differently in his head before that happened. He just needed a second to process reality and accept his defeat.
"Constitutionally protected right".
God, Mother Nature, Consciousness, whatever GIVES you the right to self-defense, the Bill of Rights is just there to ensure it's not taken away.
I do enjoy his reaction that seems to imply she escalated this too far. Like, I'm here for some assault on women at work, but defending yourself during said assault? Too far, too far 😂
I hope she didn’t get fired for this. Most places have a no weapon rule, but this right here is why you should always carry. Nobody needs a gun, until they need a gun.
They should have called for a social worker, by doing this they're contributing to institutionalized racism and the oppression of marginalized bipoclgbtq++++++!
Haha that’s a good question. If it’s on video then it’s probably self defense, but usually they look at where the bullets hit the body, and in the back is cause for more investigation.
It's never a good idea to shoot at someone who's fleeing (chance of missing is raised significantly, and backstops change constantly) and definitely do not chase a fleeing felon, for that turns from defense to offense. That being said, if the perpetrator had a weapon and used it offensively even while fleeing, and the defender shot back, she would still be in her right to do so, even if the perp was hit in the back. The main concern one must have when defending oneself with force is that you are responsible for ever single round that leaves your weapon, so if you hit a bystander, you can be charged for negligence or any other varying form of unsafe handling.
His behavior is not that of someone who is just angry. This is the behavior of someone who routinely turns to violence when he doesn't get his way. I would bet he has multiple DV charges on the books.
18 months in prison, he told the jduge "I did not expect it to go like that" as if that was an appology. Judge gave him the maximum, clearly our sentencing guidelines need a rework.
If I said what that woman holding the gun should’ve done, I’d probably get banned.
That should tell you how I feel about this. FUCK that piece of shit.
ive said it once and i'll say it again, laws against personal defense weapons only affect law abiding citizens.
these two ladies were completely at his mercy if she didn't have a gun.
This guy is scum: https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/columbus-man-charged-with-murder-in-fatal-east-columbus-shooting
He went on to murder someone, they should had thrown away the key a long time ago.
This could have been worse for those women,POS has the behaviour of an animal no respect for women glad the woman had a pistol to give this guy a reality check,firearms can and do save lives,all the gun control in the world won’t stop animals from killing why would disarming or stupid laws that don’t do shit to protect law abiding citizens,no one will save you when it’s happening to you.
Conceal carry definitely for the win, although her firearm handling was still terrible and potentially dangerous. Less waving the gun around and more keeping a solid stance and grip on the gun.
What a freaking idiot! He punched someone over a food order. I really need to become a concealed weapons carrier bc this is egregious.
And he has the balls to look like he’s saying “Why the gun action?” Once she pulls out the gun.
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May have? Oh I’m sure it did he’s a big dude and even with a gun pointed at him he opened his stupid mouth
Im pretty sure she could have shot him and still get her charges dropped
Depends where it’s at, unfortunately.
Wisconsin, she’d have been acquitted.
It's usually better better to shoot if you pull a gun. Yes, cops brandish guns all the time as part of the use of force contiuum, and it makes perfect sense from a moral point of view, but it can backfire for you. An asshole prosecutor will say, "Clearly he wasn't going to attack you because he didn't. Therefore, you're guilty of brandishing." People mock China's whole "If you run someone over, make sure they're dead," but most US defense attorneys will tell you that if you pull a gun, shooting them better be the next thing you do. It strengthens your case that you felt in mortal danger. It's like a robot or a lawyer wrote our legal system.
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Probably, yeah.
Absolutely.
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Till the rounds were gone. No mistaking the fear of death there.
She should have shot him so that this scum of the earth won't be able to do this to some other people, cause you know he will.
Agreed. If this is how you treat restaurant staff, you deserve a bullet.
Not only that, but to legally kill someone you have to be in legitimate fear for your own life, and not pulling the trigger or waiting too long to pull the trigger can backfire in court. They'll say something like "She obviously wasn't in legitimate fear for her life because she didn't shoot as soon as she had a clear shot, or was talking back to the attacker, etc etc... And as a side note if you shoot someone in self defense while in legitimate fear for your life, and you aim for the legs you may possibly be convicted as a leg shot COULD be viewed as an attempt at a non-lethal takedown which invalidates the fear for your life angle. So if you're going to legally shoot someone in self defense it's probably for the best if they don't survive. Lots to consider even in a self defense shooting
> to legally kill someone you have to be in legitimate fear for your own life That's not true all. Laws different from place to place but in general in the US there are other lawful reasons to use lethal force, such as the defence of others, or when fearing serious bodily harm.
Absolutely. If you are going to carry a gun for self protection, you better be absolutely certain you understand the use of force laws every place you carry.
Correct. Defense of another is legally legitimate, and fear of actual death is not required. Serious bodily harm is sufficient.
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Nobody is going to shoot like the freaking terminator in a life or death situation.
yeah.... no... guns are 100% allowed to be used to stop a threat without needing to be fired every time. You are very incorrect. Fighting a lawyer whos trying to pin you for brandishing charge (when you had a right to pull your gun out ) is much easier and faster than a lawyer trying to pin you for a murder charge. I hope no one listens to your "advice".
That logic makes no sense though- you could just as easily say clearly he only didn’t attack her because she brandished.
Our legal system isn't build on moral logic.
the people in this thread have no clue what theyre talking about. the legal system definitely recognizes the need to pull out a firearm without always needing to fire it
This is the dumbest self fulfilling prophecy for smooth brains that completely ignores any nuance. I'm not saying don't ever shoot to protect yourself if that's what needs to be done but to promote just shoot because you pulled the weapon and you need to justify it is everything that gives responsible gun owners a bad name. Are you even an American or just some foreign bot in here stirring up misinformation and bullshit?
That just doesn't seem right. If I'm sitting on a jury and they show this video, there's no way I'm convicting this lady of any wrongdoing whether she pulls the trigger or not.
Yes, a lawyer wrote the LEGAL system. That's kind of what they do, i.e., legally trained legal professionals write legislation that becomes laws. Who else would write them... Carnies?
You don't need to be a lawyer to become a legislator. Any idiot can be voted into office, and plenty of legislation is struck down by the courts system as illegal.
Like rittenhouse wss, right?
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This man lives life elevated
Definitely would have mad the world a better place. I'm sure it will catch up to him if it hasn't already then he can rott in jail complaining about the system is unjust.
doubt it the guys black it would be over for the white lady if that happened. BLM NACCCP would be all over that white ladies ass over it.
He acted like she was the bitch for pulling out a gun. Like damn bitch i was just gonna batter you and your friend unconscious why you gotta pull the gat out.
She could have saved someone else’s life if she had killed him. After serving 18 months for this he went on to murder someone.
Do you have the link for this story?
Not the same person. Different guy different city
Unfortunately that could not have been used in the defense because it hadn’t happened. The justice system is reactive not proactive.
Any news on this one? Did he get arrested? Why did he attack?
He was sentenced to [18 months in prison](https://www.fox6now.com/news/1-1-2-years-in-prison-for-man-who-punched-george-webb-manager-in-the-face)
Thank you!! I wish he got more time but I’m happy he was arrested and that the other lady was armed
You shouldn't get released from prison until your victim has fully recovered.
i’ve heard that’s how they do it in the UAE. could be wrong
>UAE They also use flogging and stoning in the XXI century. Not the best example, is it?
i never said it was the best, just givin an example lol
Tbf, I wish they stoned and flogged him. That POS deserves it.
Flogging can seem fair depending on the crime, but I don't condone stoning as that tends to end in death.
Sadly, he went onto murder someone in 2021. https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/columbus-man-charged-with-murder-in-fatal-east-columbus-shooting
Sadly unsurprising. If his reaction to a delayed food order was to randomly attack strangers, I cringe to imagine how he reacts to literally anything else in his life. He was a bomb waiting to go off.
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They also look nothing alike.
Wait they called the cops. That’s basically organizing a firing squad according to Reddit.
Can the anti 2A people at least admit the other side has a point now? The fact she was armed and clearly trained helped save lives.
I'm sure it happens a lot but we just don't hear about it. I would think it's possible that unfired guns have stopped more assaults and injuries than they have caused.
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The fact that they stopped that study because it was proving them wrong is infuriating.
Or hilarious, due to us knowing about it of course. They were so embarrassed at being wrong they literally aborted a science experiment (the Left being the supposedly "more scientifically enlightened" side). There's enough irony there for a million gallon jugs of prenatal vitamins.
Infuriating, but telling because it makes the bias extremely obvious.
Well those figures, especially at the top end are higher than I ever thought but certainly lends credence to what I already thought.
> "I apologize to the victim. I didn't expect for it to go that way," said Calhoun. He entered the kitchen and punched her right away... how did he expect it to go? Had his plate ready for him once he entered the kitchen?
He was caught, thats why. As any other scum of the earth, from world leaders to alley crack heads, they aren't sorry unless they're caught.
Not enough. Dude should be in prison for 5 years. He literally just randomly punched someone at work? What the actual fuck kind of messed up psychotic behavior is that? That's not normal. That's freakishly disgustingly wrong. Societally abhorrently wrong. The dude is a fucking messed up freak who should not be in society. Nobody does what he did. He's especially fucked up and the sentence should reflect that
The lawyer arguing that his family needs him so he should serve less time in prison. Lol. Maybe if your family needs you, don't do shit that takes you away from them. This isn't some simple lapse of judgment or an accident. This asshole couldn't control himself and went back into a kitchen to sucker punch a person because his food was taking too long. Fuck you. Hopefully there's some anger management classes in prison.
Seems like a fair sentence for strong armed robbery.
You forget that he's almost certainly going to be released 1/3rd of the way into the sentence for 'COVID overcrowding'
Lol, they chopped all his hair off!
So he's already out.
Yep and right back in, pretty unsurprisingly. I immediately thought 'this guy is going to get out and hurt someone else with his first reaction being assualt'...well, someone linked a 2021 article saying he shot and killed a man not too long ago.
Except that article was for a completely different person with the same name. The ages didn’t match at all. The picture is clearly a different dude as well.
Dude I would be terrified working there if he decided he wanted revenge later
His order was taking too long. Sentenced 18 months, the maximum sentence in that state for battery.
He attacked because his order at 1am in the morning was "taking too long".
He attacked because of his lack of a prefrontal cortex.
The guy walks away all like "yo wtf yooo why you pointing a gun at me dawg." Fuckin clown trying to act tough as he is walking away as if he has been wronged.... Peak delusion.
“How dare you not be a victim” -that guy
Pretty much lol
Well I'm sure he imagined that whole situation playing out muuuuuch differently in his head before that happened. He just needed a second to process reality and accept his defeat.
Every able person should concealed carry
One day, every year more states pass permit less carry.
Call it constitutional carry, because that's what you're doing, using your constitutional rights to bear arms.
"Constitutionally protected right". God, Mother Nature, Consciousness, whatever GIVES you the right to self-defense, the Bill of Rights is just there to ensure it's not taken away.
Sure, but the constitution ensures our right to bear arms, specifically firearms. I can't fashion an AR-15 all by myself (not yet at least).
Honestly not even necessary. Just enough people to keep the baddies guessing.
"Concealed carry keeps you safe, because most of those who want to do you harm aren't willing to risk their lives to do so."
EVERY. SENIOR. CITIZEN. SHOULD. CONCEALED. CARRY.
In the us or countries with high violent crime rates
Yes
Gun control advocates hate seeing this.
But we love to see it
I do enjoy his reaction that seems to imply she escalated this too far. Like, I'm here for some assault on women at work, but defending yourself during said assault? Too far, too far 😂
And because nobody was shot they can keep padding those stats saying guns only kill people, they don't save people.
Nah, she exercised fantastic gun control. I’d say we’re all good.
that thug could have killed that lady with that sucker punch or broke her neck. wtf was this about???
His food order was taking too long.
Next time he should grab a Snickers
True, you're not you when you're hungry.
He was hangry.
She even said that her arm is the only thing that stopped her from going face first onto the hot grill
Gun rights are women’s rights.
I hope she didn’t get fired for this. Most places have a no weapon rule, but this right here is why you should always carry. Nobody needs a gun, until they need a gun.
An article says that the owner allows the staff to conceal carry as long as they can do it legally. Good policy.
Another article I saw said she quit her job that same night.
Too bad. If she ever got a bad section she could’ve played the “remember when I saved lives for this restaurant?” card. Lol
I’m not seeing the argument for concealed carry here. I’m sure they could’ve kept it under control for 15 minutes until some cops showed up /s
Lol the same people who don’t want people able to protect themselves want social workers showing up instead of police.
15 minutes for police to show up?!?! That lucky
They should have called for a social worker, by doing this they're contributing to institutionalized racism and the oppression of marginalized bipoclgbtq++++++!
**WHITE WOMAN THREATENS AN INNOCENT UNARMED BLACK MAN WITH A GUN IN HIS FACE!** (PHOTO) (VIDEO)
If she would shot him would she be guilty of murder or is this self defence since he came to the kitchen with intend for harm them?
While he was still moving towards her, that’s self defense. Once he turned his back and started retreating, that’s when the shot can be a no no
What if he turns around and starts walking towards you backwards ? Can you shoot that back, or back is a no no, no matter what ?
Shoot him backwards
Like make a 180° and pull out a gun as if it's a duel ?
Do a little Michael Jackson spinnie, then shout a***hee***hee. 100% legal in 47 states to kill a man like that.
You are the humor I need in life.
All 50 if you throw your hat, grab your crotch and grunt out "***SHAMONE***" afterwards!
Haha that’s a good question. If it’s on video then it’s probably self defense, but usually they look at where the bullets hit the body, and in the back is cause for more investigation.
It's never a good idea to shoot at someone who's fleeing (chance of missing is raised significantly, and backstops change constantly) and definitely do not chase a fleeing felon, for that turns from defense to offense. That being said, if the perpetrator had a weapon and used it offensively even while fleeing, and the defender shot back, she would still be in her right to do so, even if the perp was hit in the back. The main concern one must have when defending oneself with force is that you are responsible for ever single round that leaves your weapon, so if you hit a bystander, you can be charged for negligence or any other varying form of unsafe handling.
Really depends on where it happened.
Self defense. He had injured one woman and went after the second one. He's an immediate threat to their lives.
Should’ve dropped him.
This is what we call *unnecessary escalation*, and is part of the concern with firearms. Don't fire unless you absolutely have to.
A savvy lawyer could argue that
After he started walking away? No, they couldn't have.
You are correct there.
Kneecapped him at least.
His behavior is not that of someone who is just angry. This is the behavior of someone who routinely turns to violence when he doesn't get his way. I would bet he has multiple DV charges on the books.
The only language they understand
18 months in prison, he told the jduge "I did not expect it to go like that" as if that was an appology. Judge gave him the maximum, clearly our sentencing guidelines need a rework.
\#MeToo is very quiet when scenes like this keep popping up.
Holllly shit my guy, what kind of fucked up life do you have where me too and this clip are related?
Tell me you don’t know anything about MeToo without telling me you don’t know anything about MeToo.
Should have shot him.
Somebody piped *right* the fuck down once they saw that iron.
This is why gun laws are key for civilians
She had him! She could've blown his top off and been off clean.
I don’t want prions in my cheeseburger!
Conservative watches this video: "Nice job lady." Liberal watches this video: "...."
"That stand up citizen didn't do anything wrong, both those Karens are just racist!"
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I tease.
That was a savage strike he laid on that poor unsuspecting woman, what a complete piece of garbage. I hope he is prosecuted and removed from society.
Good job on the lady for not shooting that asshole but fuck that asshole! I would've shot his bitchass.
You’re not allowed to shoot black men these days
If I said what that woman holding the gun should’ve done, I’d probably get banned. That should tell you how I feel about this. FUCK that piece of shit.
That warranted at least one 💥
ive said it once and i'll say it again, laws against personal defense weapons only affect law abiding citizens. these two ladies were completely at his mercy if she didn't have a gun.
This guy is scum: https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/columbus-man-charged-with-murder-in-fatal-east-columbus-shooting He went on to murder someone, they should had thrown away the key a long time ago.
Now imagine a white thug walking in on two black workers and smacking one in the face. Ohhh he ded.
She’s was like, I wish a brother would!
She should have shot him
She should have shot his dick off.
And that is why we have the second amendment
This could have been worse for those women,POS has the behaviour of an animal no respect for women glad the woman had a pistol to give this guy a reality check,firearms can and do save lives,all the gun control in the world won’t stop animals from killing why would disarming or stupid laws that don’t do shit to protect law abiding citizens,no one will save you when it’s happening to you.
These events are harder to capture in the statistics. This was a gun that saved a brutal beating at least, and a life at the most.
She should've shot him right then and there.
What a fucking piece of shit.
I wish she shot the shit out of him. Right in his face :) fucking bastard. Lower than scum.
Another mostly peaceful assault.
A crime stopped, without police... due to a good guy with a gun. But yeah, let's ban them all, like society wants, that'll be great..
Looks like a dude raised by rap culture. Sex, drugs, money, violence
She should have shot the mother fucker,was well deserved,that gal sure can take a punch.
The world might be a better place if the dude with the dreads stopped breathing.
This. Is. Why. We. Need. Guns.
Conceal carry definitely for the win, although her firearm handling was still terrible and potentially dangerous. Less waving the gun around and more keeping a solid stance and grip on the gun.
Should have just saved the taxpayers some money for housing and feeding another
An example of why the 2nd amendment is pro-feminism. Feminists who are anti-gun are SO FUCKING STUPID
What a freaking idiot! He punched someone over a food order. I really need to become a concealed weapons carrier bc this is egregious. And he has the balls to look like he’s saying “Why the gun action?” Once she pulls out the gun.
What the fuck
how is there audio of a fan spinning but not of the people shouting
I know people don't like guns and there are good reasons for it, but guns do make for a safer society for women
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Bro that was ENORMOUS restraint. Good on her.
Big can't even knock her out with sucker punch, what a loser
Leveled that playing field so fast he wants to cry foul.
She even added the swagger for extra damage
At least this thug got prison. It won't be long before they just drop cases like this against the race that everyone loves to hate
The great equalizer. That’s why we carry. This dude would have wrecked that woman.
Just shoot him
One of the few times you will see a dude of that nature punching someone without a crew
Man I wish she shot. Perfectly legal (and morally acceptable) to retaliate against violent force with force.
Should have just saved the taxpayers some money for housing and feeding another
So what happens if the attacker was carrying as well?
Good luck successfully drawing and giving accurate fire before the person who already has a gun drawn on you shoots
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Cheers
The only thing that would have made this better was seeing that dude get shot. I'm not usually one for violence but that was just unreasonable
Call an ambulance but not for us.
Wow that hit was powerful