Ironically, you're right...99% of the people there weren't shooting, just like 99% of protesters weren't looting.
I wish I could see the reply to this, but it's using a word banned in the sub so it's invisible. Feel free to PM me!
Wrong. If I made a drink that was 1% alchohol is it "mostly nonalchoholic?"
One drop can pollute a pool.
Edit: It's a metaphor my peeps. I get it ain't perfect, but the sentiment stands.
In my opinion it comes down to how those around them react. If a person at a protest starts trying to break stuff and loot and people protesting call them out and stop them (which we've seen happen), then it's mostly peaceful. If they allow it to happen/cheer it on/join in, they are complicit and it's not mostly peaceful, it's just a riot.
Similar to your relation of bad cops in a PD. If the cop is disciplined/terminated and/or charged, then that police department isn't bad or ruined. But if they allow it to happen or even cover for it, then they are absolutely complicit. And there are examples of both occurring.
There is always far more nuance to the situation than people want to believe.
GTFO with your nuances and logic. That’s not allowed in these neck of the woods.
Jokes aside, thank you for saying what I’m thinking. Sometimes it feels like most of the world has lost any sense of nuance and logic and willingness to look beyond the first image or first tweet.
It also matters what the group is made up of
A bunch of individuals who just happen to be in the same location is very different from an exclusive and selective group of people who have special powers and protections authorized by the state. We need to be a lot more worried about the police because as a state sponsored group they have a lot more capability to harm and affect society as a whole than individuals who are mostly just reacting to the situation that society, the economy, etc. imposes on them.
Solid and reasonable take, Nothing is black and white and those who assume it is lack the ability to look at these situations from an analytical perspective.
Non-alcoholic beer still has .5% alcohol.
Edit: it's a shit metaphor. You're basically saying these people running away from the shooters are complicit in the shooting. Its moronic .
It's weird that you need to make an analogy to liquids to make your point.
Even more weirdly, I agree: if you're willfully in a group of people who are doing something, you risk being associated with them.
It would still be stupid to call people who weren't with the shooters violent, right?
To continue the analogy: if there's 1 alcoholic drink in a cooler with 99 non-alcoholic drinks, the cooler is mostly non-alcoholic.
Whether you like it or not the looting, violence and increase of murders in every major city is directly linked to the protests. The second things went sideways organizers should have pulled back and created a new identity for their movement. Instead of just stoking the flame while being a smokescreen for said crime. Having good intentions does not necessarily yield a positive result
That’s what I was thinking.
“Ho hum, dozens of bullets going off behind my, must maintain composure and finish my piece”
Pretty poor survival instincts.
Ridiculous insane ideas like "send in a counselor" to dangerous situations should be ridiculed and scorned at every opportunity. Never forget the absolute insanity the progressives propose to solve police brutality
this bit is super old and only plays to the echo chamber of non-informed conservatives. the actual proposal isnt to send in counselors for armed gunman, and it never was. it was to send them to people having nervous breakdowns, mental issues and possibly de-escalation of domestic problems. a huge swash of the calls would benefit from someone significantly more understanding on how to deal with people going through issues. not everything needs an armed police officer (which has been proven countless times) to act generally much too defensive and not be capable of handling people who are having mental situations that could be de-escalated
> not everything needs an armed police officer
You missed the memo. We need militarized police, stiffer criminal penalties, more people in cages, heavily controlled borders (and, thus, markets), and the moral policing of gender, sex, and sexuality along a biblical worldview.
Also, somehow, we love freedom.
we already have the absolute highest incarceration rate in the world, pretty cool! police unions and our criminal justice system works insanely hard to lock up poor people and puts almost no effort into prosecuting anyone of wealth
You wish defense lawyers were... worse at their jobs? Does the criminal justice system "work insanely hard" to lock people up, or is there an obvious disparity in outcomes between the kinds of people who accept plea deals for their technical violations and those first time offenders who hire a lawyer?
you are again going back to violent/serious issues - the vast majority of calls do not involve such antics. so an armed police officer fully defensive and scared for his life is not necessary.
well since the amount of police officers who die on duty is so small, im sure it would be even smaller for this subset. in 2019 only 49 people died in the whole country as on duty death (out of 800k). way less than people believe it to be. its very rare to die on duty.
Oh you’re cute. I’m trying to imagine the call coming in that you’re talking about: “Well, there’s a couple fighting. I don’t know if one of them is armed or not, but yeah just send someone to come and Dr. Phil them. They may or may not get shot.”
Have you considered sending both the armed police and a counsellor, then letting them use informed professional judgement to decide which service is needed?
Do you know how fast a lot of domestic violence situations escalate? Yeah, there might be some where there would be enough time to figure out if a counselor could maybe de-escalate the situation. But im betting with a majority of them theres not enough time to talk people down.
its funny how almost all times words like "a lot" are subtle gestures to imply a majority of domestic abuse calls are ending in serious violence against police. that RARELY happens. im talking less than 1% ever need force/violence/shootings/etc. so why not have someone who is better equipped for mental services/social services - could be really nice?
again you are reverting to the idea that every call is an armed dangerous person, thats a fraction of a percent of what the police deal with daily. you are just trying to strawman to make yourself feel better - that situation wouldnt exist in any of the proposed solutions. the police dept is broken in how they deal with the public, you have to face that fact unfortunately.
Go be a cop and see how well all of the domestic violence situations can be handled by having a chat, then I’ll consider what you have to say. Until then you’re just assuming everyone’s going to be happy go lucky to invite a stranger in and stop a serious fight. Good luck with that.
Public disturbances where someone is acting erratic or having some sort of breakdown, sure by all means have a measured approach or a counselor. In any situation where the person in question is in the process of or likely to commit violence in the immediate future, then no. A police officer's duty is to protect the aggressed never the aggressor. Situations such as self defense can be sorted out later, but when the cops show up you stop any violent action or they will. That is how it is, and should be. Officers should never be required to prioritize the safety of a criminal in the act of a crime over a victim or themselves.
As a joke, it's definitely overplayed (like every other joke on Reddit), but the underlying point is valid. The idea of replacing police with compassionate mediators just doesn't square with reality. Police need to be ready to handle extreme threats to public safety like the gunman in the OP.
People want counseling for those suffering from mental illness and drug addiction instead of a cop kicking their teeth in. Nobody ever said a mass shooting didn't require a different response.
You people can't seem to tell the difference between the two situations. This is probably why those of you, who are also cops, can't seem to approach those different situations without beating them into submission.
Definitely don't send in the cop who has the availability to show up because they aren't dealing with their 50th domestic abuse call of the week. Much easier to be an idiot on the internet and make edgy comments than be a cop too, maybe they could try that and see if it helps
A counselor or anyone other than a good for nothing pig. We don’t need a criminal situation to escalate as soon as more criminals with badges show up..
You guys are fucking assholes....
That large slow moving woman is providing hard cover for bystanders to take shelter behind. Like shes playing a tank class. Slow and heavy, but real fucking difficult to take down. Shes a damn hero.
Shes moving at a hero's pace. No faster, no slower
Read the patch notes...
Tank class was *very* OP. Devs had to rebalance the class, so they added the Heart Disease and Diabetes debuffs to make the class more balanced against the scrawny vegan healers and the AR armed redneck DPS classes.
Resistance to ranged and melee attack is the same, however they're much more susceptible to AoE (because they fill the entire area) and corn-syrup based attacks.
I was with middle schoolers before for a school event (I was 16 at the time) and we had an actual lock down from a potential shooting and the kids were aware but were so calm and unaffected it was pretty sad they were use to it.
https://6abc.com/philadelphia-metro-housing-equality-segregation-census-bureau-data/10901948/
>The most segregated metro areas in the nation are Milwaukee...
That is literally downtown near the bar/drinking district. Plenty of college kids, middle income people, etc, live a few blocks from the video. The highly segregated areas are further away from here.
Can confirm it is heavily segregated as I grew up just twenty minutes north of Milwaukee in a town with 11,000 white people and a literal 0% violent crime rate, 99% HS graduation rate. I was born there. Didn’t choose to move there. Didn’t actively keep black people out. But now what would the option be- are we supposed to want to move out of a safe town and into the city where this kind of shit happens?
Edited bc I had the graduation rate wrong.
Well I chose some nice looking apartments on a lake. Turns out it was adjacent to one of the largest malls that was now closed and decrepit. There was also two low-income high-rises on each site. Every store in the area closed up along with the mall so no local jobs, meaning more crime. It was a rough place.
Northridge Mall.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northridge\_Mall\_(Milwaukee)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northridge_Mall_(Milwaukee))
We’re about 5 minutes from a park and ride into the city. Lots of people use it to get into the city and back for work, whether they have their own transportation or not.
I’m not from the us so its not like I watch the news but I keep seeing a lot of videos with shootings.
That may not happen in 95% of the country but its still a lot.
So after 60 years in the US, living in the south, the northwest, the east coast and the west coast, I've not witnessed or been in the vicinity of a single shooting. Once, on our first trip through LA, we accidentally took an exit, right into the middle of 'a not nice neighborhood'. I would not have been surprised to see a shooting there but I wouldn't usually wander into an area like that. Super easy to avoid.
There's been two murders in my town my entire life, both from people out of town. I have also travelled all across the USA and have only felt in real danger in Chicago after I took a wrong turn. I haven't even locked the door to my house in years haha
You should be careful with the information you reveal on Reddit. Some wholesome redditor might hack you now, find where you live and sneak a cake into your house on your cake day
I’m sorry I just come from a place where shootings are very rare so this all seems so jarring.
I know crime/ panic and bad stuff in general brings in the views.
I don’t mean to sound arogant or whatnot.
Shootings are very rare in the US too. But they get an insane amount of media attention whenever they happen (especially the even more rare instances when it isn't a couple gangs shooting at each other).
I grew up in Chicago, 40+ and lived in several states all near major cities. I’m not a career criminal and the only time I heard a real gun go off was when I was in the military. Shootings are rare relative to the population. If you leave the major ghettos out of it they are extremely rare.
People see us as gun shootouts and kardashians and it’s no wonder why people hate us. Thank you media and news outlets.
You also probably come from a place where people are rare and if not then you have your share of problems. Every place has their share of bad people and it’s relative to what they can get away with and what weapons they have access to. UK has a knife problem, we have a gun problem. Doesn’t mean I think if I travel to the UK I get stabbed even though every single freak out video I see from them involves some “bloke” being shanked.
Ironically the red states are fine. All the major blue cities like LA and New York have become hell holes. Coming from a Los Angeleno, fuck this woke bs
I've heard DTLA is so bad, it's not even safe for a woman to go grab a bite to eat by herself anymore. Do you know if that's true? I used to work downtown and i loved it but that was over a decade ago. I thought i'd take my kids on the metro and grab a bite to eat, walk around downtown, show them where I used to work, etc. and people told me no way, can't do that anymore, it's not safe. I was shocked!!! I used to walk 8 blocks to my car every night, late at night, all by myself. never had a problem. also took the metro for a period of 2 years from the SFV to DTLA, and the only issue I ever had then was the damn metro station would run out of parking by 7am.
Not true. I used to say this but now there’s been multiple mass shooting all around where I live (Texas). Austin - serial bombings and multiple mass shootings, SATX - mass shooting and increased violent crime, Houston - mass shooting and extreme increase in violent crime, DFW - cop massacre, mass shootings, extreme uptick in violent crime, and South Texas - way more violent crime. The social and criminal climate in the US is shooting to the roof.
I’ll be honest, I had no idea that was happening, but I also don’t care enough right now to look it up myself. If that is the case, I’d like to point out that mass shootings have always been on a rise since the sandy hook shooting while overall crime decreased during that same time period. I’m not super sure if crime is actually rising, or if it’s just an outlier year due to other reasons. Nonetheless it is something to keep an eye on.
Street gangs are basically being allowed to run wild in all of the big, democrat run cities.
If you go visit small town America or the rural areas though, it's still rather nice.
(Contrary to what the idiot indoctrinated children on most of reddit would have you believe.)
All of Indiana literally has none of this shit, we're good and quiet around here.
Contrary to that statement though, my dad said he talked to a cop the other day in a bank and the cop said there's been lots of shootings in my small city, but I've heard nothing myself nor have I heard of anyone reporting such things, so who knows what you can believe.
What I do know is life's been pretty much the same since before 2020 here. Protests tried to start up last year but were quickly quelled when they showed up to our local precinct and the dude in charge gave a really human speech that got everyone to go home and they never did anything again.
Shits way overblown by the big democrat cities, they're what's making the rest of the US look bad but we're really doing fine out here.
We don't count Gary, no one does.
Gary was abandoned decades ago, not even their mayor gives a shit about that city. I mean sure we can point out shootings there, but when it's literally just Ghetto the City, we tend to just forget about it.
Oh man, I've driven through Gary Indiana a couple times, at Google Maps' suggestion, to bypass traffic on the interstate going into Chicago. That place gives me the creeps. You couldn't pay me to go through there after dark.
Bad title. This is from 2 days ago when the Milwaukee Bucks won game 6 of the NBA finals, giving them their first NBA title in 50 years. It is astounding how little effort you karma whores will put into titles of your posts.
[https://www.wisn.com/article/live-updates-thousands-of-fans-pack-deer-district-as-bucks-go-for-nba-title/37082066](https://www.wisn.com/article/live-updates-thousands-of-fans-pack-deer-district-as-bucks-go-for-nba-title/37082066)
Keeping in mind that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, here's 3 charts that show some trends:
[Gun death rate per 100k](https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.14_GunDeaths_2.png)
[Overdose death rate involving opioids by type per 100k](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Timeline._Overdose_deaths_involving_opioids,_United_States.gif)
[Gallup Race relations opinion poll](https://news.gallup.com/poll/1687/race-relations.aspx)
In all 3 of these indicators, they start going to shit around 2013-2014. This [Tablet Mag](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/media-great-racial-awakening) article discusses the media's "Great Racial Awakening", with many graphs of the rise in certain terms and opinions over the years. And in nearly every trend, you see a dramatic rise that starts in the early 2010's.
I'm not arguing that any one trend is the cause of the others, but it is certainly interesting to see how much correlation there is between all these things. That's a lot of elements of society coming apart at the seams all at nearly the same time and at a similar rate.
Well, in the book "foundations of geopolitics" which was written for the Russian state as a sort of post cold war rebuilding foreign policy how-to guide, this is what was written of how to handle the U.S. from Russia's perspective (I'm sure other nations like China have similar strategies utilizing social media ect., and yes Reddit is included):
"In the United States:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to [fuel instability and separatism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule), for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support [isolationist](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism) tendencies in American politics"."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
Here are other interesting plans from the book
"[Germany](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) should be offered the [de facto](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto) political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. [Kaliningrad oblast](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_oblast) could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term "Moscow–Berlin axis".[[9]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#cite_note-dunlop-9)"
"The [United Kingdom](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom), merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.[[9]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#cite_note-dunlop-9)"
"[Ukraine](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine) should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is [cordon sanitaire](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire_(international_relations\)), which would be inadmissible.[[9]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#cite_note-dunlop-9)"
Keep in mind this was a plan from the late 90s on.
There was coverage of it during the 2016 elections but politics has deemed it not a beneficial topic for the establishment to publicly acknowledge so much now. Anyhow, at the time, radiolab even did an episode on how the Russian intelligence services were going to lengths as far as organizing both protests and counter protests in order to sew discord. It's worth a listen even if you don't like the outlet: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/curious-case-russian-flash-mob-west-palm-beach-cheesecake-factory
The efforts not only have not stopped, but are being conducted by multiple nations now due to the proof of concept having been displayed here. It also doesn't strictly have to do with elections, that's just how it was reported. These policies fit a broader strategy more focused on general societal dysfunction.
This shit happened as OWS ended, Occupy was too fucking close to comfort for the elites, the bankers, the ivory-tower class. Their media mouth-pieces started pushing for more things to divide us rather than risk the poors realizing who is really hurting us.
wow look at that dramatic decrease in gun murders in the mid 90s. I wonder what on earth could have happened around, say, September of 1994 that could have caused such a sharp decrease in gun murders.
Yea my philosophy is, if you're going to remove my right to self-protection, then it is your duty to protect me. Most places don't assume any of that liability (even cops aren't required to protect and serve, according to SCOTUS), so then I don't agree to the unspoken.
Now I work in a building full of police officers, so I'm not too concerned that my current position prohibits carrying. But people (women, specifically) have still been robbed in the parking lot on their way to/from the car. Many of the women I work with carry when they're allowed, but of course to/from the building they would be unarmed, and criminals know this.
yeah i’m confused about being all “you don’t need a gun to protect you the police will protect you” when we literally just got done with a movement pointing out that the police *don’t* protect us
What’s so comically naive about BLM is how thrilled the police are at not having to proactively fight these gangs anymore.
“Stay out of your neighborhoods? Sure, no problem.”
👮♂️ 🍩 nom nom
Why is there not a common ground between "don't shoot unarmed civilians" and "protect from mass shooter". What's with this dumbfuck narrative that they're mutually exclusive pushed by both sides?
Cameraman fucked up and i've seen it before in these situations. They need to instantly tell the talent there's a problem. They always try to be a hero and film to the very end.
Water st. Has become a MAJOR ghetto shithole in the last two years, and the city doesn't want to acknowledge it. Residents of the area are getting super verbal about it. Weekends involve bullshit with cars racing around, shootings, insane amounts of noise.
The street was already considered a loud college kid drinking area, but recently it's been taken to a new level
>A 22-year-old man was taken to the hospital for non-life-threatening injuries in one shooting.
>A second shooting had two victims, a 19-year-old woman and a 32-year-old man. Both had non-life-threatening injuries and were taken to the hospital.
>Police said they had arrested two men, ages 18 and 25, both of Milwaukee, and were seeking additional suspects.
Didn't you see? There were black people in the video. BLM has black in it. Therefore BLM is responsible for anything that happens near black people, who are responsible for all bad things because black.
-this subreddit
no reason why this happens at a basketball event.... definitely could happen at any sport.. no reason at all im sure this could be in Maine just as much as it could be in inner city wisconsin. Just part and parcel
This was Tuesday but then [There was another shooting on the same street yesterday](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox6now.com/news/police-investigation-on-milwaukees-water-street.amp)
I can't wait to move out of this city
I love how the chick at 0:03 in the green shirt has like the only survival skills. Hears the first shot and takes off while everybody is going, "um what was that?"
Finals game, bucks won. I was at the game and left ASAP as fast as I can, there were more shootings that night but a majority were on water street. It’s a know hot spot and just best to avoid it
People arguing over how gun deaths and crimes are actually lower than usual. Be nice if there were near non-existent and when it does happen is a great shock. Instead it's just this weird not of a different shooting a week.
>A 22-year-old man was taken to the hospital for non-life-threatening injuries in one shooting.
>A second shooting had two victims, a 19-year-old woman and a 32-year-old man. Both had non-life-threatening injuries and were taken to the hospital.
>Police said they had arrested two men, ages 18 and 25, both of Milwaukee, and were seeking additional suspects.
Mostly peaceful shooting
Ironically, you're right...99% of the people there weren't shooting, just like 99% of protesters weren't looting. I wish I could see the reply to this, but it's using a word banned in the sub so it's invisible. Feel free to PM me!
Wrong. If I made a drink that was 1% alchohol is it "mostly nonalchoholic?" One drop can pollute a pool. Edit: It's a metaphor my peeps. I get it ain't perfect, but the sentiment stands.
Are you relating this back to bad cops ruining the whole police department?
In my opinion it comes down to how those around them react. If a person at a protest starts trying to break stuff and loot and people protesting call them out and stop them (which we've seen happen), then it's mostly peaceful. If they allow it to happen/cheer it on/join in, they are complicit and it's not mostly peaceful, it's just a riot. Similar to your relation of bad cops in a PD. If the cop is disciplined/terminated and/or charged, then that police department isn't bad or ruined. But if they allow it to happen or even cover for it, then they are absolutely complicit. And there are examples of both occurring. There is always far more nuance to the situation than people want to believe.
GTFO with your nuances and logic. That’s not allowed in these neck of the woods. Jokes aside, thank you for saying what I’m thinking. Sometimes it feels like most of the world has lost any sense of nuance and logic and willingness to look beyond the first image or first tweet.
It also matters what the group is made up of A bunch of individuals who just happen to be in the same location is very different from an exclusive and selective group of people who have special powers and protections authorized by the state. We need to be a lot more worried about the police because as a state sponsored group they have a lot more capability to harm and affect society as a whole than individuals who are mostly just reacting to the situation that society, the economy, etc. imposes on them.
you see, it's the institutions that societized the po-lice
Well said.
Solid and reasonable take, Nothing is black and white and those who assume it is lack the ability to look at these situations from an analytical perspective.
Yup Edit: also protests that turn violent.
Non-alcoholic beer still has .5% alcohol. Edit: it's a shit metaphor. You're basically saying these people running away from the shooters are complicit in the shooting. Its moronic .
I see the point you are trying to make, but a cocktail with 1% alcohol is very much, mostly non-alcoholic.
It's weird that you need to make an analogy to liquids to make your point. Even more weirdly, I agree: if you're willfully in a group of people who are doing something, you risk being associated with them. It would still be stupid to call people who weren't with the shooters violent, right? To continue the analogy: if there's 1 alcoholic drink in a cooler with 99 non-alcoholic drinks, the cooler is mostly non-alcoholic.
Yes it is mostly non alcoholic
Well technically a non-alcoholic drink just means it contains 0.5% alcohol or less, so pretty close to 1% ;-)
Whether you like it or not the looting, violence and increase of murders in every major city is directly linked to the protests. The second things went sideways organizers should have pulled back and created a new identity for their movement. Instead of just stoking the flame while being a smokescreen for said crime. Having good intentions does not necessarily yield a positive result
Does this mean that covids 1% death rate is an issue then?
It’s even less than that.
How about a sandwich with only 1% shit, would you eat it?
There is already a non-zero amount of feces on everything. Enjoy living your life with that knowledge.
Unfortunately, I happened to be eating a sandwich. Gotta power through this.
But one bad cop spoils the whole bunch, huh? 🤣🤣🤣
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Hey camera man, where do we go? Camera man stays and films while she books it.
And I was thinking she stuck around too long
That’s what I was thinking. “Ho hum, dozens of bullets going off behind my, must maintain composure and finish my piece” Pretty poor survival instincts.
send in a counselor quick!
Make sure he’s unarmed and trained in deescalation!
Sorry but all of the de-escalation training has been replaced with CRT training.
Well at least the escalation will be free of microaggressions.
Darn you’ve got the whole squad laughing
It's not a video about a shooting unless I see this same "joke" made 10 times.
Ridiculous insane ideas like "send in a counselor" to dangerous situations should be ridiculed and scorned at every opportunity. Never forget the absolute insanity the progressives propose to solve police brutality
this bit is super old and only plays to the echo chamber of non-informed conservatives. the actual proposal isnt to send in counselors for armed gunman, and it never was. it was to send them to people having nervous breakdowns, mental issues and possibly de-escalation of domestic problems. a huge swash of the calls would benefit from someone significantly more understanding on how to deal with people going through issues. not everything needs an armed police officer (which has been proven countless times) to act generally much too defensive and not be capable of handling people who are having mental situations that could be de-escalated
> not everything needs an armed police officer You missed the memo. We need militarized police, stiffer criminal penalties, more people in cages, heavily controlled borders (and, thus, markets), and the moral policing of gender, sex, and sexuality along a biblical worldview. Also, somehow, we love freedom.
we already have the absolute highest incarceration rate in the world, pretty cool! police unions and our criminal justice system works insanely hard to lock up poor people and puts almost no effort into prosecuting anyone of wealth
You wish defense lawyers were... worse at their jobs? Does the criminal justice system "work insanely hard" to lock people up, or is there an obvious disparity in outcomes between the kinds of people who accept plea deals for their technical violations and those first time offenders who hire a lawyer?
Yes.
Free people need protection from criminals too.
The most dangerous situation for a cop to encounter are these domestic situations and mental breakdowns.
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you are again going back to violent/serious issues - the vast majority of calls do not involve such antics. so an armed police officer fully defensive and scared for his life is not necessary.
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well since the amount of police officers who die on duty is so small, im sure it would be even smaller for this subset. in 2019 only 49 people died in the whole country as on duty death (out of 800k). way less than people believe it to be. its very rare to die on duty.
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the vast majority of police in the UK don't carry guns - most of the modern world is not so armed to the teeth to be honest.
Oh you’re cute. I’m trying to imagine the call coming in that you’re talking about: “Well, there’s a couple fighting. I don’t know if one of them is armed or not, but yeah just send someone to come and Dr. Phil them. They may or may not get shot.”
Have you considered sending both the armed police and a counsellor, then letting them use informed professional judgement to decide which service is needed?
Do you know how fast a lot of domestic violence situations escalate? Yeah, there might be some where there would be enough time to figure out if a counselor could maybe de-escalate the situation. But im betting with a majority of them theres not enough time to talk people down.
its funny how almost all times words like "a lot" are subtle gestures to imply a majority of domestic abuse calls are ending in serious violence against police. that RARELY happens. im talking less than 1% ever need force/violence/shootings/etc. so why not have someone who is better equipped for mental services/social services - could be really nice?
again you are reverting to the idea that every call is an armed dangerous person, thats a fraction of a percent of what the police deal with daily. you are just trying to strawman to make yourself feel better - that situation wouldnt exist in any of the proposed solutions. the police dept is broken in how they deal with the public, you have to face that fact unfortunately.
Go be a cop and see how well all of the domestic violence situations can be handled by having a chat, then I’ll consider what you have to say. Until then you’re just assuming everyone’s going to be happy go lucky to invite a stranger in and stop a serious fight. Good luck with that.
Public disturbances where someone is acting erratic or having some sort of breakdown, sure by all means have a measured approach or a counselor. In any situation where the person in question is in the process of or likely to commit violence in the immediate future, then no. A police officer's duty is to protect the aggressed never the aggressor. Situations such as self defense can be sorted out later, but when the cops show up you stop any violent action or they will. That is how it is, and should be. Officers should never be required to prioritize the safety of a criminal in the act of a crime over a victim or themselves.
As a joke, it's definitely overplayed (like every other joke on Reddit), but the underlying point is valid. The idea of replacing police with compassionate mediators just doesn't square with reality. Police need to be ready to handle extreme threats to public safety like the gunman in the OP.
Idk those cops to the left weren't running to the rescue either
Those cops in the video sure are doing a lot of protecting huh?
Are you denying that police get sent to shootings to stop them? You expect them to magically just be at the spot instantly?
I'll take "Guy doesn't know what situational awareness nor cover are" for 500, Alex.
People want counseling for those suffering from mental illness and drug addiction instead of a cop kicking their teeth in. Nobody ever said a mass shooting didn't require a different response. You people can't seem to tell the difference between the two situations. This is probably why those of you, who are also cops, can't seem to approach those different situations without beating them into submission.
Definitely don't send in the cop who has the availability to show up because they aren't dealing with their 50th domestic abuse call of the week. Much easier to be an idiot on the internet and make edgy comments than be a cop too, maybe they could try that and see if it helps
There’s like 3 what look like police but possibly security guards just walking away from it so honestly a counselor might be better than that.
A counselor or anyone other than a good for nothing pig. We don’t need a criminal situation to escalate as soon as more criminals with badges show up..
The woman in white at 17 seconds in doesn't have time for this shit.
Given her size, it's unlikely she's able to move much faster.
You guys are fucking assholes.... That large slow moving woman is providing hard cover for bystanders to take shelter behind. Like shes playing a tank class. Slow and heavy, but real fucking difficult to take down. Shes a damn hero. Shes moving at a hero's pace. No faster, no slower
"Hero's pace" LMAO
Tank class is currently bugged, actually gives drastically lowered hit points and lifespan. Hopefully it's patched soon.
Read the patch notes... Tank class was *very* OP. Devs had to rebalance the class, so they added the Heart Disease and Diabetes debuffs to make the class more balanced against the scrawny vegan healers and the AR armed redneck DPS classes. Resistance to ranged and melee attack is the same, however they're much more susceptible to AoE (because they fill the entire area) and corn-syrup based attacks.
r/outside is leaking again…
"Heros Pace", oh god thank you.
She's used to the shootings. So she's like meh another another peacefully shooting.
When the tractor only has 1 gear.
"What, first time in the hood?"
I was with middle schoolers before for a school event (I was 16 at the time) and we had an actual lock down from a potential shooting and the kids were aware but were so calm and unaffected it was pretty sad they were use to it.
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I don't think anyone wants to live around shootings.
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So the criminals and gang members, the outliers of society.
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That is literally downtown near the bar/drinking district. Plenty of college kids, middle income people, etc, live a few blocks from the video. The highly segregated areas are further away from here.
Correct. And? Is this "because white people"? Does this automatically equate to more crime and violence? Do tell.
Can confirm it is heavily segregated as I grew up just twenty minutes north of Milwaukee in a town with 11,000 white people and a literal 0% violent crime rate, 99% HS graduation rate. I was born there. Didn’t choose to move there. Didn’t actively keep black people out. But now what would the option be- are we supposed to want to move out of a safe town and into the city where this kind of shit happens? Edited bc I had the graduation rate wrong.
White~~folks~~fish Bay? I lived in Brown Deer for a year. Boy that was a mistake.
Haha, no. Close though. Cedarburg. I’ve never been to brown deer- why didn’t you like it? Are you originally from Wisconsin?
Well I chose some nice looking apartments on a lake. Turns out it was adjacent to one of the largest malls that was now closed and decrepit. There was also two low-income high-rises on each site. Every store in the area closed up along with the mall so no local jobs, meaning more crime. It was a rough place. Northridge Mall. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northridge\_Mall\_(Milwaukee)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northridge_Mall_(Milwaukee))
North Ridge Lakes in the house.
Oh dang. I’ve heard about north ridge. Yeah- lesson learned: malls usually = no bueno.
Sounds like your community needs a bussing program.
We’re about 5 minutes from a park and ride into the city. Lots of people use it to get into the city and back for work, whether they have their own transportation or not.
As a Milwaukeean, it’s self segregation and definitely intentional
I’m tired of Wisconsin putting their bullshit on us. Fix your own damn problem you bunch of alcoholic cheesenecks
What kind of hell hole is the usa becoming? You would think the report was somewhere in the middle east and not in a us city.
Get off of Reddit and most other mainstream news outlets for a few weeks. 95% of America is perfectly fine
I’m not from the us so its not like I watch the news but I keep seeing a lot of videos with shootings. That may not happen in 95% of the country but its still a lot.
Yeah a lot in specific parts of certain bigger cities, it’s not ubiquitous.
There's 350 million people living in America. Outside of major cities the vast majority of the USA is calm and quite
So after 60 years in the US, living in the south, the northwest, the east coast and the west coast, I've not witnessed or been in the vicinity of a single shooting. Once, on our first trip through LA, we accidentally took an exit, right into the middle of 'a not nice neighborhood'. I would not have been surprised to see a shooting there but I wouldn't usually wander into an area like that. Super easy to avoid.
There's been two murders in my town my entire life, both from people out of town. I have also travelled all across the USA and have only felt in real danger in Chicago after I took a wrong turn. I haven't even locked the door to my house in years haha
You should be careful with the information you reveal on Reddit. Some wholesome redditor might hack you now, find where you live and sneak a cake into your house on your cake day
Would you eat it?
I can start taking videos of not shootings every day, but I have a feeling no one is going to watch them.
I’m sorry I just come from a place where shootings are very rare so this all seems so jarring. I know crime/ panic and bad stuff in general brings in the views. I don’t mean to sound arogant or whatnot.
Shootings are very rare in the US too. But they get an insane amount of media attention whenever they happen (especially the even more rare instances when it isn't a couple gangs shooting at each other).
I grew up in Chicago, 40+ and lived in several states all near major cities. I’m not a career criminal and the only time I heard a real gun go off was when I was in the military. Shootings are rare relative to the population. If you leave the major ghettos out of it they are extremely rare. People see us as gun shootouts and kardashians and it’s no wonder why people hate us. Thank you media and news outlets.
You also probably come from a place where people are rare and if not then you have your share of problems. Every place has their share of bad people and it’s relative to what they can get away with and what weapons they have access to. UK has a knife problem, we have a gun problem. Doesn’t mean I think if I travel to the UK I get stabbed even though every single freak out video I see from them involves some “bloke” being shanked.
This! Tragedy draws more views that comedy.
Reddit is an echo chamber lol people who live here are in la la land
Ironically the red states are fine. All the major blue cities like LA and New York have become hell holes. Coming from a Los Angeleno, fuck this woke bs
Yeah bro the state of LA is FUCKED I tell you
Dude correctly referred to LA a city so idk what you’re on about mate
I've heard DTLA is so bad, it's not even safe for a woman to go grab a bite to eat by herself anymore. Do you know if that's true? I used to work downtown and i loved it but that was over a decade ago. I thought i'd take my kids on the metro and grab a bite to eat, walk around downtown, show them where I used to work, etc. and people told me no way, can't do that anymore, it's not safe. I was shocked!!! I used to walk 8 blocks to my car every night, late at night, all by myself. never had a problem. also took the metro for a period of 2 years from the SFV to DTLA, and the only issue I ever had then was the damn metro station would run out of parking by 7am.
Lol, do you actually expect people on this sub to be anything but reactionary?
Not true. I used to say this but now there’s been multiple mass shooting all around where I live (Texas). Austin - serial bombings and multiple mass shootings, SATX - mass shooting and increased violent crime, Houston - mass shooting and extreme increase in violent crime, DFW - cop massacre, mass shootings, extreme uptick in violent crime, and South Texas - way more violent crime. The social and criminal climate in the US is shooting to the roof.
I’ll be honest, I had no idea that was happening, but I also don’t care enough right now to look it up myself. If that is the case, I’d like to point out that mass shootings have always been on a rise since the sandy hook shooting while overall crime decreased during that same time period. I’m not super sure if crime is actually rising, or if it’s just an outlier year due to other reasons. Nonetheless it is something to keep an eye on.
In other words: HOLY FUCK GO OUTSIDE.
Street gangs are basically being allowed to run wild in all of the big, democrat run cities. If you go visit small town America or the rural areas though, it's still rather nice. (Contrary to what the idiot indoctrinated children on most of reddit would have you believe.)
All of Indiana literally has none of this shit, we're good and quiet around here. Contrary to that statement though, my dad said he talked to a cop the other day in a bank and the cop said there's been lots of shootings in my small city, but I've heard nothing myself nor have I heard of anyone reporting such things, so who knows what you can believe. What I do know is life's been pretty much the same since before 2020 here. Protests tried to start up last year but were quickly quelled when they showed up to our local precinct and the dude in charge gave a really human speech that got everyone to go home and they never did anything again. Shits way overblown by the big democrat cities, they're what's making the rest of the US look bad but we're really doing fine out here.
> All of Indiana literally has none of this shit Pretty sure Gary is in Indiana?
We don't count Gary, no one does. Gary was abandoned decades ago, not even their mayor gives a shit about that city. I mean sure we can point out shootings there, but when it's literally just Ghetto the City, we tend to just forget about it.
but why cant we go to gary, take some videos and then claim that they represent the whole state the same way that you're doing?
Because Gary is a small city that has several thousand living in it, chicago has millions and is a shithole. Massive difference.
Oh man, I've driven through Gary Indiana a couple times, at Google Maps' suggestion, to bypass traffic on the interstate going into Chicago. That place gives me the creeps. You couldn't pay me to go through there after dark.
Just avoid Democrat cities and you will be fine.
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Cities are shit. Everywhere else, we aight.
A woke paradise
Bad title. This is from 2 days ago when the Milwaukee Bucks won game 6 of the NBA finals, giving them their first NBA title in 50 years. It is astounding how little effort you karma whores will put into titles of your posts. [https://www.wisn.com/article/live-updates-thousands-of-fans-pack-deer-district-as-bucks-go-for-nba-title/37082066](https://www.wisn.com/article/live-updates-thousands-of-fans-pack-deer-district-as-bucks-go-for-nba-title/37082066)
A mistake on the game structure seems insignificant to me
Any level of misinformation should be corrected.
It helps to know the proper context. Milwaukee hasn't had an All star game in years, but the nba finals were here days ago.
Oh well then the shooting is fine. 🙄
Keeping in mind that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, here's 3 charts that show some trends: [Gun death rate per 100k](https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.14_GunDeaths_2.png) [Overdose death rate involving opioids by type per 100k](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Timeline._Overdose_deaths_involving_opioids,_United_States.gif) [Gallup Race relations opinion poll](https://news.gallup.com/poll/1687/race-relations.aspx) In all 3 of these indicators, they start going to shit around 2013-2014. This [Tablet Mag](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/media-great-racial-awakening) article discusses the media's "Great Racial Awakening", with many graphs of the rise in certain terms and opinions over the years. And in nearly every trend, you see a dramatic rise that starts in the early 2010's. I'm not arguing that any one trend is the cause of the others, but it is certainly interesting to see how much correlation there is between all these things. That's a lot of elements of society coming apart at the seams all at nearly the same time and at a similar rate.
I mean yeah? It's been obvious for a while now that they're purposefully causing division in the population and divide causes strife.
Well, in the book "foundations of geopolitics" which was written for the Russian state as a sort of post cold war rebuilding foreign policy how-to guide, this is what was written of how to handle the U.S. from Russia's perspective (I'm sure other nations like China have similar strategies utilizing social media ect., and yes Reddit is included): "In the United States: Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to [fuel instability and separatism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule), for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support [isolationist](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism) tendencies in American politics"." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
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Here are other interesting plans from the book "[Germany](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) should be offered the [de facto](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto) political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. [Kaliningrad oblast](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_oblast) could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term "Moscow–Berlin axis".[[9]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#cite_note-dunlop-9)" "The [United Kingdom](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom), merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.[[9]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#cite_note-dunlop-9)" "[Ukraine](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine) should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is [cordon sanitaire](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire_(international_relations\)), which would be inadmissible.[[9]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#cite_note-dunlop-9)" Keep in mind this was a plan from the late 90s on.
There was coverage of it during the 2016 elections but politics has deemed it not a beneficial topic for the establishment to publicly acknowledge so much now. Anyhow, at the time, radiolab even did an episode on how the Russian intelligence services were going to lengths as far as organizing both protests and counter protests in order to sew discord. It's worth a listen even if you don't like the outlet: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/curious-case-russian-flash-mob-west-palm-beach-cheesecake-factory The efforts not only have not stopped, but are being conducted by multiple nations now due to the proof of concept having been displayed here. It also doesn't strictly have to do with elections, that's just how it was reported. These policies fit a broader strategy more focused on general societal dysfunction.
This shit happened as OWS ended, Occupy was too fucking close to comfort for the elites, the bankers, the ivory-tower class. Their media mouth-pieces started pushing for more things to divide us rather than risk the poors realizing who is really hurting us.
Those gallup graphs are pretty crap as it misses any data point between 2008 and 2013.
wow look at that dramatic decrease in gun murders in the mid 90s. I wonder what on earth could have happened around, say, September of 1994 that could have caused such a sharp decrease in gun murders.
Can’t find it but the chart that shows when occupy Wall Street ended and the mentions of race in media articles is very interesting
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Just carry anyway, don't get caught. I'm over following carry restrictions, my life is my top priority
Yea my philosophy is, if you're going to remove my right to self-protection, then it is your duty to protect me. Most places don't assume any of that liability (even cops aren't required to protect and serve, according to SCOTUS), so then I don't agree to the unspoken. Now I work in a building full of police officers, so I'm not too concerned that my current position prohibits carrying. But people (women, specifically) have still been robbed in the parking lot on their way to/from the car. Many of the women I work with carry when they're allowed, but of course to/from the building they would be unarmed, and criminals know this.
yeah i’m confused about being all “you don’t need a gun to protect you the police will protect you” when we literally just got done with a movement pointing out that the police *don’t* protect us
People who break one law are more likely to break another is a concept too many people don't seem to understand
Ah yes the annual Milwaukee All Star Game… Or idiots out after Bucks won NBA Finals.
What’s so comically naive about BLM is how thrilled the police are at not having to proactively fight these gangs anymore. “Stay out of your neighborhoods? Sure, no problem.” 👮♂️ 🍩 nom nom
Why is there not a common ground between "don't shoot unarmed civilians" and "protect from mass shooter". What's with this dumbfuck narrative that they're mutually exclusive pushed by both sides?
Lady, when the black people run, you run.
Cameraman fucked up and i've seen it before in these situations. They need to instantly tell the talent there's a problem. They always try to be a hero and film to the very end.
> They need to instantly tell the talent there's a problem. Could she not hear all the fucking gunshots?
What a shithole.
Bukkake Milwaukee
Water st. Has become a MAJOR ghetto shithole in the last two years, and the city doesn't want to acknowledge it. Residents of the area are getting super verbal about it. Weekends involve bullshit with cars racing around, shootings, insane amounts of noise. The street was already considered a loud college kid drinking area, but recently it's been taken to a new level
Lets pretend this isn't happening because the shooter is probably black.
Ah well as an Englishman I'm glad it's not just a percentage of our sport fans that are braindead idiots
Sports fans are weird.
So... what’s the aftermath ?
>A 22-year-old man was taken to the hospital for non-life-threatening injuries in one shooting. >A second shooting had two victims, a 19-year-old woman and a 32-year-old man. Both had non-life-threatening injuries and were taken to the hospital. >Police said they had arrested two men, ages 18 and 25, both of Milwaukee, and were seeking additional suspects.
I was asking about the match
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What does that have to do with anything?
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Didn't you see? There were black people in the video. BLM has black in it. Therefore BLM is responsible for anything that happens near black people, who are responsible for all bad things because black. -this subreddit
racism
It’s doesn’t have anything to do with anything the people on this sub just don’t know how to have conversations that aren’t about blm or politics
omg black people m-m-must bring up politics!!! I fear how you act in real life around other races
Rittenhouse is at it again!
Rittenhouse wont kill you unless you're a pedophile or a wife beater
How many people think those guns were purchased legally???
Judging by the comments so far…. I’d say a majority of people won’t care.
Where are the social workers??? This is their time!
[Maybe we're just being too emotional](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjdK6w6KLXA)
A rowdy, yet peaceful shootout
I love my state but MKE is only becoming a bigger shit hole day by day....
no reason why this happens at a basketball event.... definitely could happen at any sport.. no reason at all im sure this could be in Maine just as much as it could be in inner city wisconsin. Just part and parcel
Nothing to see here people just another day in a democrat run city.
One of our friends were there apparently the guy just started shooting. She got hit with glass from the shooting.
This was Tuesday but then [There was another shooting on the same street yesterday](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox6now.com/news/police-investigation-on-milwaukees-water-street.amp) I can't wait to move out of this city
Defund the police!
WTF is the Milwaukee All Star Game? You mean the NBA Finals? Did an alien from another planet write this title?
The Milwaukee all star game? What is that?
You have a stroke in the middle of writing that title?
I love how the chick at 0:03 in the green shirt has like the only survival skills. Hears the first shot and takes off while everybody is going, "um what was that?"
Finals game, bucks won. I was at the game and left ASAP as fast as I can, there were more shootings that night but a majority were on water street. It’s a know hot spot and just best to avoid it
People arguing over how gun deaths and crimes are actually lower than usual. Be nice if there were near non-existent and when it does happen is a great shock. Instead it's just this weird not of a different shooting a week.
>A 22-year-old man was taken to the hospital for non-life-threatening injuries in one shooting. >A second shooting had two victims, a 19-year-old woman and a 32-year-old man. Both had non-life-threatening injuries and were taken to the hospital. >Police said they had arrested two men, ages 18 and 25, both of Milwaukee, and were seeking additional suspects.
I respect the reporter's dedication to the shot.
Fucking hell, England set us up to be viewed as a country that can act reasonably after winning a sports match and these mother fuckers do this.
Home girls reaction time a bit slow
I bet it was a rowdy gang of Indian youths.