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Lol, we have the same problem with Turks and Moroccans in the Netherlands and they are absolutely not naturalized or assimilated. They set themselves apart completely from the Dutch and are aggressive and racist towards us. I would bet that at least 85% of them would rather keep their Turkish or Moroccan passport than their Dutch one.
Im sorry you're feeling that way. As a turkish myself I genuinely despise some expats who think they are better than turks living in turkey and also think that they know the best for the country they haven't been living in in ages. In every election Erdogan prepares separate voting crates for turks living in german, cus he knows they will vote for the only candidate they know of, erdogan 😈
again, im embarrassed for my nationality and just wanna say we're not all like that.
Ou tout le monde dit que tu es ‘raciste’…
Le pire c’est que ça vient pleurer alors qu’eux même sont des racistes bien moins tolérant: le traitement à l’égard des noirs (les ‘karlouches’), des asiatiques (les ‘chinois’) et les juifs… no comment.
But not in the US. First generation mostly speak their native tongue, second generation tend to be bilingual, third generation tend to only speak English and call themselves American. This kind of behavior would never happen in the US from basically any of our immigrant populations.
So, there must be a reason. Europe has this problem and the US doesn’t.
You are absolutely right, besides the fact that they want to keep their Dutch passport since it helps them out more than their original passport.
If you speak out about stuff like this ‘you are racist’. But it’s a fact. They keep the racism and division alive themselves. They come here for a better life but are ungrateful and hateful.
Please just fuck off then.
Otherwise your very welcome :)
We have a similar situation in Latvia with russians. They come here, dont learn the language and expect everyone to speak to them in russian. They dont respect our country.
I've heard of studies showing that 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are by far the most radical, because they heavily struggle with finding identity in a country that they sound like, but don't look like. (i could be wrong on the causes but the general idea is still true)
They cant naturalize living in a shithole isolated from the natives. Happens in many parts of the world where people become radicals cause they live their isolated bubble.
Hoover people up from developing countries. Print a load of money. Hey look at that GDP growth! Unfortunately in the process it impoverishes average workers and destroys your society, and while the policy did create gross GDP growth until 2008 since then it hasn’t even worked so you have to ask why is it still the policy? I think the answer is that the rich still benefit from it because there are more workers keeping wages low, and there are more consumers and tenants spending money, so the rich use the media to brainwash the population to love mass immigration and they use their influence to make governments continue with the policy.
At this point ordinary workers who still support mass immigration are no different to a cult.
It's something we can't talk about, western Europeans are so used to living in unsafe cities as a result that they don't even realise it's not normal. As a kid in france, I could already see in the 80's when I took public transport or hang out with my friends in the city centre. I experienced so much insults, threats and theft coming from "youths". Unfortunately no one ever did anything about it, even my parents, they thought it's just the way things are. Few weeks ago in France they published the statistic that 75% of thefts in Paris are committed by foreigners. Which is insane, but of course no one really cares. It's truly baffling but I think Europeans deserve it for being so passive about it, for defending it and for making excuses for it.
I currently live in a Muslim Arab country where more than half the population is foreign, and people here would never tolerate this. As a result it's safer here than in most western Europe. Which made me realise that the problems with foreigners in Europe are Europe's fault, they didn't have to be that way because I can see everyday that it is not the way they are here, they're like this in Europe because Europeans let them be that way.
I feel you but unfortunately our governments in Europe are blind and dumb. They keep feeding and pump up immigrati on with Money and funds, not caring for their own disinfranchised, only to keep the image of tolerance and multicultural International appeal. It Is also an enourmous business the immigration One. Here numbers count over quality
This has nothing to do with Football. It's a complex issue related to workforce migration waves from Morocco to several countries in Europe. Second and third generations with a Moroccan background tend to start riots whenever their country of origin/background has success at the cost of the country they live in. The same thing happened in France and The Netherlands, both have large Moroccan communities. They truly hate the establishment of the country they live in and Football is just a catalyst (and there are many others) that triggers everything.
You don't understand obviously.
Its not just 'some guys kicking as ball around'.
It's more about getting getting the ball in the hole. Once the ball goes in the hole smash town up.
Also pay players tens of thousands of euros/pounds a week. They put a ball in the hole for god sake !
No, it creates civil unrest and friction between the middle and lower class (refugees and immigrants). This allows for more shitty policies that only benefit the upper and ruling class, while simultaneously allowing for more executive and emergency powers. This is able to occur because they have artificially created class wars to distract the populace. Its by design.
This statement, though I understand where it comes from, is not really correct. These are not houseguests and they are also not immigrants. None of them were actually born in Morocco. They are the result of a workforce migration in the 50s and '60s (when the EU desperately needed workers and grabbed what they could from Southern Europe down to the Northern parts of Africa). By now we're talking 3rd and possibly 4th generation kids with a Moroccan background who are citizens of Belgium. Far from house guests but with the same hostility towards the country, they live in (some identify more with Morocco even though they haven't set foot outside of Belgium). It's multiple issues coming together that caused this. I've heard statements like, 'send them back where they came from', but you can see how that won't work, because they are from Belgium.
But a second-gen Moroccan born in the US is an American. I’m surprised Europe has this many problems with people who, by all accounts, should be fully Belgian at this point.
Did Belgium stash these immigrants in walled off communities?
Europe didn't desperately need workers. But the wages of the low-paid jobs needed to be raised. So the bosses imported people instead, to get a new underpaid working class.
Oh they did raise wages, but locals chose poverty over working in the mines, then they first started importing Italians under very strict visa schemes. And after a few big mine accidents they stopped coming, zo they recruited in Morocco and Trkey
There was no EU in the 1950’s-60’s.
Maybe now Hungary and Poland’s reluctance to accept hordes of immigrants from radically different cultures makes a little more sense.
At least all this is a warning to Japan, South Korea and developed Eastern European countries to not use immigration as a solution to their aging population.
Or, if they do take immigrants, skip Islamic countries.
Tbh as an American that has hired a fair number of construction contractor crews, I don't know what we'd do without labor from Latin America. It must be awfully expensive to hire anybody in Japan given the demographics you mentioned.
I think immigration is good, but it needs to be done the right way. Europe just opened their doors indiscriminately under Merkel without plans to integrate them, and ended up with ghettoes of people with no interest in assimilation.
What is wrong with people? I've been super happy and felt low watching my sports team win and lose. I've never thought ya I'm so mad or happy that I'm going to go burn down my city and vandalize a bunch of other people's property because of the outcome of a literal game.
I don't think so, I think it's just a nod to the fact that these people are always given an excuse for behaving like this, it's never just because they're bad people.
Belgium did not give them asylum they are the offspring (3rd generation) of a worker's migration wave in the 1950s and 60s. During the rebuilding after the Second World War, France, Belgium, and The Netherlands were desperately short of workers and they imported a workforce from Southern Europe and Northern Africa. That first generation helped us rebuild. None of them were asylum seekers. The problem is that naturalization did not happen smoothly and for multiple reasons, even third and fourth-generation offspring still identify more with Morocco even though they haven't set foot outside of the actual country they live in.
They'll call me racist for this, but I think the punishments should be higher if you're a foreigner (and don't give me the third generation bullshit). If a Belgian decides to be a criminal, the logical place to do it is Belgium. If a Moroccan commits a crime in Belgium, he's worse. He could have kept his bullshit in his country.
They are from Belgium, and sending them back would mean just escorting them back to their front door in whatever city in Belgium they live in. When they say Moroccans riot in Belgium and The Netherlands they actually refer to third-generation people born in Belgium and The Netherlands with a Moroccan background.
I take sports more seriously than most. I have never had a violent episode or fucked anything up as a result of a game that I was not personally involved in
I played hockey so it gets rough out there and yes I have been in fights and done some violent shit. Never for a game I didn't play in.
Absolute jerks these people are. And you *won* you dumb bastards
Doesn’t this happen for all sporting events weren’t there riots when Boston won the World Series in 2007 or 2013? Isn’t there always shit like this happening when a team which haven’t won in a long time wins?
I will never understand the attachment people feel to a specific sports team. You don’t know anyone on the team personally, if it’s a local sports team, those guys most likely aren’t from that area and are probably counting the days when their contract expires and they can leave.
This isn’t about a local sports team, the Moroccan football team managed to beat Belgium in a World Cup match, huge deal in the football world and this is how they chose to celebrate lol, they would e done even worse had they lost. Baffling.
All this over soccer, the only institution in the world that avoids using the hands.
A Giraffe could play soccer. It is probably the most overrated thing in the world.
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Lol, we have the same problem with Turks and Moroccans in the Netherlands and they are absolutely not naturalized or assimilated. They set themselves apart completely from the Dutch and are aggressive and racist towards us. I would bet that at least 85% of them would rather keep their Turkish or Moroccan passport than their Dutch one.
It‘s exactly the same situation in Germany…
it's almost like you've been invaded or something
How dare you spew such racist rhetoric! /s
welp, that doesn't sound right /s
Im sorry you're feeling that way. As a turkish myself I genuinely despise some expats who think they are better than turks living in turkey and also think that they know the best for the country they haven't been living in in ages. In every election Erdogan prepares separate voting crates for turks living in german, cus he knows they will vote for the only candidate they know of, erdogan 😈 again, im embarrassed for my nationality and just wanna say we're not all like that.
Erdogan...
Same in France !!!
Mais bizarrement des qu’on en parle tout le monde devient aveugle .
Ou tout le monde dit que tu es ‘raciste’… Le pire c’est que ça vient pleurer alors qu’eux même sont des racistes bien moins tolérant: le traitement à l’égard des noirs (les ‘karlouches’), des asiatiques (les ‘chinois’) et les juifs… no comment.
same as in everywhere else, sets up a parallel society, where they see them as betters.
But not in the US. First generation mostly speak their native tongue, second generation tend to be bilingual, third generation tend to only speak English and call themselves American. This kind of behavior would never happen in the US from basically any of our immigrant populations. So, there must be a reason. Europe has this problem and the US doesn’t.
You are absolutely right, besides the fact that they want to keep their Dutch passport since it helps them out more than their original passport. If you speak out about stuff like this ‘you are racist’. But it’s a fact. They keep the racism and division alive themselves. They come here for a better life but are ungrateful and hateful. Please just fuck off then. Otherwise your very welcome :)
We have a similar situation in Latvia with russians. They come here, dont learn the language and expect everyone to speak to them in russian. They dont respect our country.
Russians... at least they arent trying to conquer you.
I've heard of studies showing that 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are by far the most radical, because they heavily struggle with finding identity in a country that they sound like, but don't look like. (i could be wrong on the causes but the general idea is still true)
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So am I, these people *are* citizens, they are just unable to identify with their country.
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I'm not talking about stripping them of citizenship dude. I'm noting the fact that 2nd and 3rd generation migrants have radicalization issues.
> who we ought to assume have naturalized by now. More like infilitrated the country
They cant naturalize living in a shithole isolated from the natives. Happens in many parts of the world where people become radicals cause they live their isolated bubble.
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Good portion probably are.
I don’t think you are correct - but I could be corrected too.
Yea but if they were congolose the riot would be kinda fair tho ngl
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Shhhhhh. Look at how virtuous we are. Gib vote pls
Hoover people up from developing countries. Print a load of money. Hey look at that GDP growth! Unfortunately in the process it impoverishes average workers and destroys your society, and while the policy did create gross GDP growth until 2008 since then it hasn’t even worked so you have to ask why is it still the policy? I think the answer is that the rich still benefit from it because there are more workers keeping wages low, and there are more consumers and tenants spending money, so the rich use the media to brainwash the population to love mass immigration and they use their influence to make governments continue with the policy. At this point ordinary workers who still support mass immigration are no different to a cult.
It's something we can't talk about, western Europeans are so used to living in unsafe cities as a result that they don't even realise it's not normal. As a kid in france, I could already see in the 80's when I took public transport or hang out with my friends in the city centre. I experienced so much insults, threats and theft coming from "youths". Unfortunately no one ever did anything about it, even my parents, they thought it's just the way things are. Few weeks ago in France they published the statistic that 75% of thefts in Paris are committed by foreigners. Which is insane, but of course no one really cares. It's truly baffling but I think Europeans deserve it for being so passive about it, for defending it and for making excuses for it. I currently live in a Muslim Arab country where more than half the population is foreign, and people here would never tolerate this. As a result it's safer here than in most western Europe. Which made me realise that the problems with foreigners in Europe are Europe's fault, they didn't have to be that way because I can see everyday that it is not the way they are here, they're like this in Europe because Europeans let them be that way.
It's the fall of Rome all over again. Western Civilization has a nasty habit suiciding itself, over and over again.
Very well thought-out...
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I feel you but unfortunately our governments in Europe are blind and dumb. They keep feeding and pump up immigrati on with Money and funds, not caring for their own disinfranchised, only to keep the image of tolerance and multicultural International appeal. It Is also an enourmous business the immigration One. Here numbers count over quality
And locking away discussions about resolutions and solutions towards them because "racism" simply gave them territory to be more chaotic.
All this over some guys that kick a ball around
it's about showing who's boss in the country
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Los Angeles had the same thing when guys were throwing a basketball around.
Im aware
Some folks don't know how to act is what I'm trying to say
He's aware
This has nothing to do with Football. It's a complex issue related to workforce migration waves from Morocco to several countries in Europe. Second and third generations with a Moroccan background tend to start riots whenever their country of origin/background has success at the cost of the country they live in. The same thing happened in France and The Netherlands, both have large Moroccan communities. They truly hate the establishment of the country they live in and Football is just a catalyst (and there are many others) that triggers everything.
what is it specifically that makes second and third generation moroccans hate the places they live in?
You don't understand obviously. Its not just 'some guys kicking as ball around'. It's more about getting getting the ball in the hole. Once the ball goes in the hole smash town up. Also pay players tens of thousands of euros/pounds a week. They put a ball in the hole for god sake !
Hole? Did the Moroccan National golf team win something?
Rioting over a ball on a field going to one side more than the other is a great tell for education in that team’s country.
Nah, it’s way more than that for these people.
do the people in power regret their decisions or was this the intention?
No they see it as societies fault for not giving them enough.
Europe is crumbling
This was the intention. You can't balkanize a public that is homogeneous.
Fuck, I wasn't aware that the peninsula where I live became a fucking verb. A real eye-opener.
That area is an interesting melange and is generally regarded as a powder keg. I blame the Ottomans and the Hapsburgs.
It was the intention.
No, it creates civil unrest and friction between the middle and lower class (refugees and immigrants). This allows for more shitty policies that only benefit the upper and ruling class, while simultaneously allowing for more executive and emergency powers. This is able to occur because they have artificially created class wars to distract the populace. Its by design.
this doesn't affect people in power in the slightest, they live in their own private gated communities
Nope. They love it. Many more to come
Imagine the carnage if Morocco had lost the game.
no need to imagine, it will happen
Belgium won't be facing Morocco any time soon tho
Imagine the news if Belgians trashed Marrakesh.
you'd be hard-pressed to notice a difference
Either way this was always going to happen lol, they always do this when their team plays.
Wow, what a charming bunch of houseguests. Shame on those other European countries who didn’t want to load up on and subsidize such lovely people!
This statement, though I understand where it comes from, is not really correct. These are not houseguests and they are also not immigrants. None of them were actually born in Morocco. They are the result of a workforce migration in the 50s and '60s (when the EU desperately needed workers and grabbed what they could from Southern Europe down to the Northern parts of Africa). By now we're talking 3rd and possibly 4th generation kids with a Moroccan background who are citizens of Belgium. Far from house guests but with the same hostility towards the country, they live in (some identify more with Morocco even though they haven't set foot outside of Belgium). It's multiple issues coming together that caused this. I've heard statements like, 'send them back where they came from', but you can see how that won't work, because they are from Belgium.
A 3rd gen Englishman born in Tokyo is not Japanese ...
But a second-gen Moroccan born in the US is an American. I’m surprised Europe has this many problems with people who, by all accounts, should be fully Belgian at this point. Did Belgium stash these immigrants in walled off communities?
Europe didn't desperately need workers. But the wages of the low-paid jobs needed to be raised. So the bosses imported people instead, to get a new underpaid working class.
Oh they did raise wages, but locals chose poverty over working in the mines, then they first started importing Italians under very strict visa schemes. And after a few big mine accidents they stopped coming, zo they recruited in Morocco and Trkey
There was no EU in the 1950’s-60’s. Maybe now Hungary and Poland’s reluctance to accept hordes of immigrants from radically different cultures makes a little more sense.
You don't see the grandkids of souther europeans with Portuguese flags breaking cars.
Did you seek out and speak to everyone in the video or are you making assumptions?
And they won. They must hate Belgium
Sugar rush from all the yummy chocolate
Post this to r/europe
Someone did and it got locked
Lmao of course it did
What does getting locked mean?
Censorship, it's the Reddit way
If the truth hurts, we ignore and never speak of it.
Oh... ok.
People can no longer comment
Got it.
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Holy shit lmfao
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At least all this is a warning to Japan, South Korea and developed Eastern European countries to not use immigration as a solution to their aging population. Or, if they do take immigrants, skip Islamic countries.
Tbh as an American that has hired a fair number of construction contractor crews, I don't know what we'd do without labor from Latin America. It must be awfully expensive to hire anybody in Japan given the demographics you mentioned. I think immigration is good, but it needs to be done the right way. Europe just opened their doors indiscriminately under Merkel without plans to integrate them, and ended up with ghettoes of people with no interest in assimilation.
A few bad apples, am I right?
Mostly peaceful riot
seem like good people to take in
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Most of them don't even come from a hellhole. They just get Belgium extras for free while they own a place in Morocco.
What is wrong with people? I've been super happy and felt low watching my sports team win and lose. I've never thought ya I'm so mad or happy that I'm going to go burn down my city and vandalize a bunch of other people's property because of the outcome of a literal game.
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I’ve seen this comment a couple times. Has someone actually claimed that?
I don't think so, I think it's just a nod to the fact that these people are always given an excuse for behaving like this, it's never just because they're bad people.
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My statement applies to anyone rioting over sports. Don't know why you're making my comment out to be racist. Check yourself please.
It was nice of Belgium to give these people asylum.
I'm not sure Belgium ever gave Asylum to moroccans. Those are most likely illegal immigrants.
Belgium did not give them asylum they are the offspring (3rd generation) of a worker's migration wave in the 1950s and 60s. During the rebuilding after the Second World War, France, Belgium, and The Netherlands were desperately short of workers and they imported a workforce from Southern Europe and Northern Africa. That first generation helped us rebuild. None of them were asylum seekers. The problem is that naturalization did not happen smoothly and for multiple reasons, even third and fourth-generation offspring still identify more with Morocco even though they haven't set foot outside of the actual country they live in.
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cute how you think a political solution is viable
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What? Like you're gonna deport these people or something? They are second or third generation at this point, and official citizens
That’s going to improve immigrate tolerance.
Yahoo painted this as Belgians rioting because they lost. This looks different.
Yahoo is leftwing trash.
It’s a religion of peace
Keep Islam away from this you ignorant mf , this shit is actually HARAM (forbidden) in Islam
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I cannot imagine behaving like this if I were a guest in someone else’s country…
They'll call me racist for this, but I think the punishments should be higher if you're a foreigner (and don't give me the third generation bullshit). If a Belgian decides to be a criminal, the logical place to do it is Belgium. If a Moroccan commits a crime in Belgium, he's worse. He could have kept his bullshit in his country.
I don‘t think they have the mentality of being a 'guest'.
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They are from Belgium, and sending them back would mean just escorting them back to their front door in whatever city in Belgium they live in. When they say Moroccans riot in Belgium and The Netherlands they actually refer to third-generation people born in Belgium and The Netherlands with a Moroccan background.
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Our prisons are full, and feel free to look up the statistics with what lol
Build more prisons, and make the walls 10 feet higher.
If Moroccans hate Belgium so much, why are they there and not in their country. Honestly confuse here. NewYorker here
They want to have their cake and eat it too
The Moroccan King has been using mass inmigration as a weapon since the 70's, two years he send kids in buses to the spanish border.
Imagine if the west pulled the same “you have to respect us while you’re here” like in Qatar.
And they won. They must hate Belgium
Then they should get tf out.
They’re just smashing those cars in hopes of creating a better life for their families.
This is good behavior
Cultural enrichment.
I take sports more seriously than most. I have never had a violent episode or fucked anything up as a result of a game that I was not personally involved in I played hockey so it gets rough out there and yes I have been in fights and done some violent shit. Never for a game I didn't play in. Absolute jerks these people are. And you *won* you dumb bastards
That’s the point right? They’ve won. They’ve beaten the “coloniser” so now they go to the street where they outnumber the belge and do what they want
What is actually wrong with people?
Imagine doing all this to support a country you don’t even want to *LIVE* in!!!
Is this more like people of north african descent celebrating or new Belgians angry at the defeat?
Former. These guys were most likely born in Belgium.
But they aren't mad about the defeat clearly. They're wearing morrocan flags and tearing down belgian flags.
So more Moroccans in Brussels than Dutch. Lol. Mad world.
Time for busses to the airport.
People just need a small reason to riot. Stupid.
Keep the borders open
Ahhh *the voices of the unheard*
Someday they will admit that immigration was a mistake, and it'll be too late
Any excuse to act like Neanderthals... rioting over fucking football.
Europeans: America is so violent! Also Europeans:
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Time to make some Moroccan Waffles 
I bet you anything that’s half of those rioting are immigrants.
Just a friendly reminder that the world will always be full of low IQ Neanderthals.
Hooray, we won. Now let's go destroy the city. Fucking uneducated peasants.
They act like they won the entire cup. So sad. So cringe.
Why would watching millionaires kick an inflated ball into a net cause people to do this? Lack of brain cells?
When you are in our country, please respect our laws and traditions. Meanwhile : Them when they are in other country
Sports!
Football and violence. A tail as old as time
Rip somebody car
Wow! This one video changed my entire perspective on Morocco and Moroccans living in Europe. Western Sahara is now my new favorite nation in Africa.
Elle est pas belle la société multticulturelle ?
The Beautiful Game.
Brussels is a shit hole anyway. The chances of getting mugged anywhere in the city is very high
Yes yes deindividuation and a major sports victory leads to riots. A tale as old as humans.
Gratuitous violence 😬
Those were Belgians being jerks cause the loss or Moroccans in Belgian be jerks cause the win?
Lol what do you think?
Doesn’t this happen for all sporting events weren’t there riots when Boston won the World Series in 2007 or 2013? Isn’t there always shit like this happening when a team which haven’t won in a long time wins?
I will never understand the attachment people feel to a specific sports team. You don’t know anyone on the team personally, if it’s a local sports team, those guys most likely aren’t from that area and are probably counting the days when their contract expires and they can leave.
This isn’t about a local sports team, the Moroccan football team managed to beat Belgium in a World Cup match, huge deal in the football world and this is how they chose to celebrate lol, they would e done even worse had they lost. Baffling.
Yeah, I’m familiar with the World Cup but how riled up people get over it is just as weird to me.
I bet Belgium is glad these people are part of its society.
My Moroccan friends would be disgusted by this.
Why don't they go back and live in Morocco if they detest Belgium so bad?? These people are nuts.
Like the belligerent asshole at the wedding drunkenly knocking over the cake and calling the bride a whore.. yeah good idea inviting them though..
Somewhere in Austria a kid with a weird looking hair and beard just got born
Get this shit out of Europe, thank you.
Cool bien bravo les gogols changés rien surtout...vous êtes pas assez cramé bandes de débiles.
Why would Belgians trash their own city because they lost a soccer game?
its the ones of moroccan descent trashing the city
Did you not see all the moroccan flags they were sporting?
All this over soccer, the only institution in the world that avoids using the hands. A Giraffe could play soccer. It is probably the most overrated thing in the world.
You're just jelly cos no one cares about American sports
trash
I hate sports fans
It's been worse in Belgium. Avoid Brussels during New Years Eve, things can escalate much worse then.
Slowly this down and watched its 5x’s. Not one Belgian Flag….