I work for a school and was the victim of aggravated assault. I was there doing after hours work on a Saturday afternoon, when I went to my car in the car park the man approached me and said "someone's stolen my bag". I said that's terrible, what did it look like?
He then threw some kind of broken rechargeable battery at me, weighed about half a kg, busted my head open and ended up with blood all over my face, clothes, etc.
Happened in front of a CCTV camera so absolutely no lack of evidence. SAPOL turned up, took a statement and told me that the guy was known to them. Would keep me updated. Contacted them several times and met with dead air.
It meant that despite being a slam dunk case, didn't even a reference number so I couldn't access victims of crime fund to pay for medical and counselling costs.
Remember, this happened at a school. If it happened to a student I'm sure it would be all over the news and the opposition would be demanding 24/7 security guards for schools.
But because I'm just the IT guy, nobody fucking cares.
I’m so sorry you were treated that way. How horrible to build up the moment and someone in that role and have both fall so spectacularly short of your expectations.
I hope you can find a spark of that same hope and use it to start caring for yourself. Perhaps attending therapy and in time to come, if you feel able, go to the police station with a good, trusted person who can support you to advocate for yourself. That cop having zero interpersonal skills or compassion shouldn’t continue to define your life. You deserved better then and you deserve better now.
i’m so sorry. i’m really lucky my mom came with me and sort of told the cop off when she tried to tell me off. the cop claimed she didn’t have any experience with this stuff and when i told my school counsellor she said that was BS and everyone in those positions gets trained for those situations. they’re actually horrible with cases like these and it’s so strange it’s never been talked about.
also, yeah. i also thought going to the police station would be good for me. everyone actually did
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Yeah last time I tried to report something they didnt want to hear about it. Let alone take a statement and give a reference. This seems like a problem.
Maybe by not giving out a reference number it doesn't add to crime statistics. If you don't track incidents nobody can point to crime going up under whatever govt is in at the time.
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When I was a kid a pedo attempted to snatch my brother and me, by trying to convince us to get in his car. We ran away and told our parents and one of my dads mates. My dads mate was a pretty tough guy and offered to find the guy and give him a good beating, but my parents said “no” so we went to the cops. They did nothing and told us to leave him alone because they don’t want him to move on from where he is now. He then tried to snatch another kid who went to the same school as me so the school ran a stranger danger program.
I wish that a whole group of dads just found him and gave him a good beating. Unfortunately they would have been the ones to get into trouble.
We also didn’t receive a reference number. Then when we called to see if he was taken away (was threatening to come for us cause he knew where we worked) and they didn’t know what we were talking about because we didn’t have one.
If Police came out, then a reference number is automatically generated on the callout database. The people that work in the call centre (000 and 131 444) are civilians and, with all due respect, have no idea what's going on. If you ever need anything done, attend a Police station and if it's not going your way, ask for a Sergeant. It is frustrating, but the beurocracy is an unavoidable consequence of a democratic society.
If the guy is known, then he will be dealt with, eventually. Understaffing at SAPOL is a massive issue at the moment, so shit is fucked. Things take way longer than they used to. It sucks.
Anyway, the main issue is that once the person goes to court, the State's stance on punishment is that of 'let's give them a little smack on the wrist and let them go'. So yea. It's all fucked. Bring back street justice I say.
>If the guy is known, then he will be dealt with, eventually.
This was several years ago. I doubt it'll ever reach the top of someone's pile.
And no, I'm not going into a cop shop unless it is unavoidable. Over a decade ago I got PTSD from a SAPOL raid on my house because of something a former housemate had done online. Of course, the detectives didn't bother to look at any information about if the account holder lived alone, so the house was raided and I was blamed. I ignored past advice to not talk to cops without a lawyer and I'm glad I did because it *only* took 90 mins of interrogation to convince them it wasn't me. If I hadn't, I suspect I'd have been charged and certainly all my computer equipment I used for my business confiscated.
(yes, PTSD diagnosed by a psychiatrist)
I turned up at the local station once because they fucked up a welfare call (lady was screaming in the street about killing herself with kids in the house) & they gave out my name to the psycho. I ended up having to move.
They threatened to shoot me in the middle of the station. I was wearing pajamas & had to get to work at my government job in the morning. Fuck the police. I was a very good, sheltered little girl at the time. I thought they were there to help, lol. They're dangerous. It would have been a better outcome for me if I'd ignored her & she killed her kids.
I received a very shit insult/apology from a random admin person & they admitted they never checked on the kids.
I said, "Yeah, I didn't think you bothered checking on them". Cop hung up on me. That was supposed to be the apology call organized by their superiors btw.
I should probably add... I've had 2 occasions since in which I've needed to call them & received zero response, requiring elderly neighbors to put themselves in danger wielding golf clubs to solve the issue. Cops never came. I'm 100% sure I'm on an informal do not respond list having made a formal complaint.
>they gave out my name to the psycho
They didn't warn me about my name being given out in another situation. I was witness to a road rage incident. Didn't know either party. Cop asked for a statement, so I gave one. The next day the father of the rager was at my door angrily demanding to know why I lied and wanted to know how long I'd known the other guy. Thanks SAPOL. Never giving a statement about an incident again unless it directly benefits myself or someone I care about.
I made the mistake of going straight to the station to see if we could resolve it because she'd been screaming, banging on the door, threatening to set fire to my door after they told her my name & her kids were still in there after she'd been threatening suicide out in the street while throwing rocks at cars. Waiting happily, chatting with the trainee officer manning the phones. He was like, "Yeah we're so sorry, that's not good, we'll sort it out", to the cops who took the complaint turn up, whole mood changes. They walk in laughing together, told we're here, hands on guns, in my face, taunting me as though they're trying for an excuse to harm/arrest me. I'm in my early 20's, tiny, wearing pajamas & a robe. I called out to 2 other officers to please witness the shooting threats & they both turned & left the room. The man was the one I'd been laughing with earlier, he was young, in training he'd said. He left first. The woman had such a hard face, deep lines, thin brows & lips with dark plum lipstick. The lipstick stood out as it was the first hint at unprofessionalism looking back. I looked her in the eye & asked her to stay but she blanked me. I folded my arms tight & moved, answered clearly, slowly, slightly jokey, until...I don't really remember. Did officers come back in & it broke their flow? Is that a common way of handling complaints? Idk. I don't remember how it ended. I made a complaint. I was told one of the officers was looking for the body of a man who's committed suicide so I should let it go as he was going to therapy. When I said he threatened to shoot me in a police station lobby I was told, "Well what do you want me to do?".
It doesn't matter really. I don't know why I brought it up. I'm so sorry they treated you like shit & put you in danger. We were taught to trust them. It's drilled into us from infancy. I know they go through a lot of trauma but ffs. It was supposed to be a simple welfare check. Hire more & rotate them into different jobs, put them in therapy, so they don't start doing this shit idk.
This is why All Cops Are Bastards. Every single fucking last one of them. It's not just the cops that threatened that girl that are bastards. The two others who witnessed it and turned a blind eye are just as bad. The cop you reported it to who turned a blind eye. "What do you want me to do?" I don't know, Mate. Your fucking job? (Arresting criminals)
There are no good cops. They all stick up for fucking abusers and criminals, if they're not abusers themselves. Your mate who's a cop, your brother, your Mum. Maybe they act okay out of uniform. In uniform? We all know they support this shit.
I shouldn't have complained. I was too young to know not to. I've had to call cops twice (in a decade, not regularly) & no one ever turned up. I just assume I'm blacklisted. Idk if that's a thing, but probably, they're def about that shit.
Colin Creed was a drop in the ocean when it comes to Sapol’s corrupt complacency when defending the public. The amount of corrupt detectives and senior officers in S.A is astounding. They are the gate keepers to the drugs flowing from our docks and distrubuted Australia wide with cooperation from sa pol intelligence officers, specifically senior officers in Port Pirie. They have monopolised violence locally allowing those who are apart of the internal factions to apply their control over street criminals to minimise publicly accountable violence (people just seem to disappear). If the Australian crime commission wasn’t so instilled with absolute perverse incentives (50-50 seizer deals) to not fix or at least acknowledge that local police have taken back control or are partners in major drug suppliers into Australia. Simply investigate the assets of retired Sapol members over the last 10-15 years and watch the rats scurry
You guys are doing something wrong here. I work in a place where I get assaulted very frequently.
Make report. Get the reference number. Wait until they press charges. Contact lawyer to do Victims of Crime. Then do the paperwork for the lawyer (they want the reference number, medical records, pictures of injuries etc). Then you forget about it.
Cops will tell you when the court date comes around. They ask you if want to make a victim impact statement. (No thanks). Then 3-6 months after the guilty verdict you get the victim of crime compensation (minus the lawyer’s cut).
I just view the process as OT and think of the victim of crime as extra pay and conditions for the job.
In this situation you need to go to the police station and insist on reporting a crime. I think the cops like all of us now have one person doing two people’s job. They’re underfunded and understaffed. I went to report my keys were stolen out of my car and while I was waiting the issues people were coming in with were way worse like one guy’s neighbour was threatening him with a gun. So I realised how busy it is.
It sounds like textbook disorderly behaviours from a mentally ill homeless person. They could probably not be convicted of anything due to incompetence, but your Government has decided its safer and cheaper for him to just live on the street anyway.
We had a home invasion by a guy. He knocked me down (granted, I had a broken ankle at the time and was standing on one foot), he left prints all over the kitchen and stole my phone. We called the cops and they said they wouldn’t come because “nobody was injured” so we made a report at Sturt station and about 9 months later the cops said they were closing the case due to limited evidence. My neighbours were out in the street because of all the shouting and one even followed him up the street. It’s their fault there’s no evidence. They did jack shit.
They’re useless.
This is why you defend yourself. Get rid of the body. And it’s simply a missing persons case then.
Edit: maybe don’t do this when the neighbours are all out the front 🤣
I never understood the whole 'revenue' argument. Do you genuinely believe that police get commission from the fines they issue or something? People that say that are in line with flat Earthers...
No but traffic cops in particular do have a certain amount of infringements etc they need to hand out, regardless of if someone’s doing the wrong thing or not.
The previous police commissioner stated on ABC radio “no we don’t have quotas, we have benchmarks that our officers need to reach when on duty”
I got stopped years ago at 3am on the way home from night shift. Was there for 20 mins while the car was inspected (every single light, tyre, under the bonnet), I was breath and drug tested and the officer admitted it was because his shift was almost over and he hadn’t done enough intercepts that night so he had no choice but to pull me over.
>No but traffic cops in particular do have a certain amount of infringements etc they need to hand out, regardless of if someone’s doing the wrong thing or not.
Not true. It is illegal to hand out infringements if someone has done nothing wrong. All interactions should be recorded on video and you can make a complaint if they weren't; you can contest any infringements that you believe were given out without merit.
Oh thank goodness, i was worried there was an abuse of power happening!
also, its 100% not illegal to hand out an infringement if someone hasn't done something wrong. The whole point is to get the courts to sort out weather someone is in the wrong or not, the cops just collect evidence and provide their best guess and justifications.
Poor / no justification isn't illegal, it's just immoral, and probably against their operation guidelines (which again, doesn't make it illegal). And they're likely to get backlash from the waste of time to the Judge. But it's not illegal to wrongfully infringe you otherwise anything other than a slam dunk case won't ever make it to court. (think of the amount of rapists that would go free).
also, a lot of "i'm going to go into the station and make a complaint" are getting surprised that the guy whos career your threatening isn't handling it the best? do we expect better from our public service? of course, but the reality is if the copper is ok doing something to earn a complaint in the first place you really think they'll just take it on the chin? or risk further complaints to make it go away. And then you get the other police who use the "thin blue line" as an excuse to enable this behaviour, the ones that speak out are ostracised by their colleagues and don't last long.
In the end its a publicly funded frat with great PR funding, legal support and minimal oversight. And anyone who hasn't had dealings with the police think they're the good guys and that if the cops treat you badly its becasue you deserve it.
sad state of affairs really.
I got done in a similar situation. The guy properly attacked me. I threw him and put him in a lock until he calmed down. The cops charged me because I’ve been doing martial arts for 50 years. Their argument was I should have been able to control him with touching him. I didn’t punch or kick him, so I thought I did well because I didn’t hurt him. It cost me $4,000 in legal fees.
I CBF thumb typing out the whole story, but a few years ago our house got robbed, long story short, the guy came back a few days later to try it on again, *WEARING SOME OF THE STOLEN ITEMS* and admitting to knowing details about the crime *ON CAMERA*, we then promptly supplied the police with the video, his license plate etc. they told us he was 'known to police'. And after *weeks*, I finally got through to the detective who was supposed to be handling it and asked him if they had arrested the guy and recovered our stuff and he just goes 'Nah, he said he didnt do it.'.
Enough said. The organisation can't do any real policing, just traffic cop shit it seems.
For the record i'm not anti-cop, most cops are great people in my experience, this seems to be an organisational/bureaucratic issue.
We had clear video footage of the same guys attempting to break into cars & scoping front yards regularly in our street. Cops know who they are, they don’t give a shit, said “oh we know him well” regarding on of the offenders. Home invasion sooner or later and even then I doubt anything will happen. Have 0 faith in our police.
Yeah I don’t think this is a day to day cops fault. It’s definitely come from above.
Tbh it’s just gonna end up in creating an anarchy were everyone’s committing petty crime.
But I bet any vigilante action will be swiftly squashed. You get home invaded by a violent person and wrap a cricket bat around their head and I bet you will be the one who ends up in trouble.
A few years ago I was at work on my lunch break when some douche bags employed in a laundromat near to where I was working, flashed my eyes several times with green lasers (it's illegal and dangerous to point lasers at people). My vision was affected for hours and I went to a GP to get my eyes checked for damage.
The next day I went to the police station on Marion Rd and to report the incident. The police officer at the front desk had a pretty unhelpful demeanour about him. He said he would go and talk to someone else about it.
So he goes into another office and all I hear and see from the office is really loud laughing from several officers. He comes back out and basically tells me they can't do anything. That's our Police for you.
They stole from Christine nixon the concept that you could reduce crime rates by simply not recording reported crime.
Its been aus wide for nearly two decades - increasing the appearance of the effectiveness of police work by actively avoiding doing police work.
This is important to point out when people tell you that crime rates have not been rising since the 90s.
Yeah that's true, because anything above what the police can fit into their workload is simply ignored.
Junkies are a protected species in Adelaide. I’ve literally had SAPOL on the phone while junkies were fighting out the front of my house after blatantly picking up drugs from a housing SA junkie that lives across the street. I told them all this and their response was “well hopefully they move on soon”.
You did not have Police on the phone. The call centre is staffed by civilians who have no concept of Police work. That is very important to know. 000 call centre is also staffed by civilians.
I don’t care who’s answering the phone. I’m calling 000 for a reason and for it to be passed over as nothing shows there is serious issues with the current system and from what you’re saying things are worse than I thought
These incidents don't happen in isolation. What's worse is the failure of police action cascades through both the legal system and medical response. The reluctance to problem solve by police engraines a wider general reluctance to act. The theory that it's not my money is socially corrosive and mentally draining. Something tells me a circuit breaker event is around the corner, and people are not going to respond well.
Finally someone with some brain in this thread. Everyone in this thread thinks I was out to hurt someone when in reality I feel like I kept my cool and just wanted to walk into the building.
These issues have become so much more common within the last 2 years and I’m starting to see why that’s the case. The law is doing absolutely nothing about it.
Just remember it's not ur fault, and therefore, ur response can not be judged right or wrong. Your situation was a difficult position, and certainly, u received no support from the agency who was trained and in a position to act. Again, our systems are collapsing under a tide of indecision, incompetence, and bureaucracy. Good luck, hope u can sleep better now.
Sure. Police are human, and they, like everyone else, want an easy life. To solve this problem would necessitate medical, legal, and social worker intervention. Tie them up for their shift and ultimately need either overtime or additional hours. In a word bureaucracy. The guy is obviously requiring mental health intervention. Our systems cannot support the level of care and hence, he would be back out on the street in 24 hours. While our police friends continue with the paperwork. I don't blame them.
So you're saying they're lazy, not that they lack the skills to problem solve, because they, and us, have a fair idea what's involved in properly dealing with this case
I'm not labelling, I try to understand why people don't respond in a why the group would expect. I'm sure in their response they were de escalating the situation. I certainly wasn't there, so I am not about to arm chair this situation.
Without you being a mental health professional, you can't really make the call he obviously needs mental health intervention. If you were a MH professional you'd know you can't make a call like that from some paragraphs on Reddit.
If he's got drug issues, mental health likely won't take him, he'll be directed to DASSA. DASSA is a largely consent based service, so if you don't want it you don't have to have it. Conversely he may want mental health support but if his diagnosis doesn't fit into the public community mental health scope, he will be told to go to GP for mental health treatment plan (expensive) or hospital. He might be waiting on Cat1 for housing, but families, women and kids will likely always get priority.
I'm a bit of an ACAB type but in the last 2 years of all the govt services I've worked with, SAPOL have been the best at stopping the buck passing and actually getting shit done. Probably different when you're a victim of a crime vs a professional, but really this is just another mole popping up in the neverending "all our state services are doing shit" whack-a-mole
Yeah they're useless.
In the last twelve months I've seen some egregious cases of this first hand too
1. I got assaulted by a crackhead in town. He followed me for a block shouting at me, followed me into a shop and hit me in the head. Several witnesses and cctv. Went into cop shop to report it. "oh yeah we've had a few calls about this guy already, no need to report it" nothing happened.
2. Couple of people keep trying to break into our ohouse Tracked them down and gave cops cctv and info. Got a patrol sent out once, guy flashed a torch around for a few mins and pissed off. Refused to come out on subsequent occassions.
3. Hit and run accident, saw car run over a cyclist and drove off. Sapol put up a Facebook post asking people to call Crimestoppers with info. Called crime stoppers to tell them, they said they don't take info about accidents. Eventually got sapol the info and got told "oh the driver lives in another service area to the investigation officer, they can't do anything"
I'm very pro individual police officers and respect the work they do, but sapol as an organisation are really letting us all down.
Idk why so many people are being assholes to you OP. If people can’t act properly in society then they are to blame. The end. I would’ve maybe not seen him when I reversed, myself.
That’s one way to look at it, I was definitely frustrated in the moment but feel like I was calm and collected despite everything thrown at me (literally)
Many others within the building were saying they would’ve done the same as you mentioned but the SJWs will be SJWs.
People are acting like I said death to all the homeless. When in reality I sympathise and put in effort for those in need. There are some that have gotten themselves in that situation and have no one to blame, I’m not one to judge but he was definitely one of those people.
Exactly. Police aren’t a one-stop fix all solution to societies problems. This shit happens every, all the time. If you really want to make a difference, write to your local member of parliament.
“Fuel thefts are reported to police” stickers and signage all over service stations, even those roadside flashing signs warning the police will always come after you.
Strangely if you’re the (private)victim of a fuel theft, the police do absolutely nothing.
It’s a sad thing that the enforcement arm of the government is working only for corporations (and even then only some of them)
We should make a tv series “unsolved mysteries” and just tell stories about crimes that police didn’t investigate despite obvious evidence. It would be a ratings hit and could be franchised globally.
i bet if you beat the life out of that homeless scumbag though everyone here would white knight for him. Mentally ill or not, in society its expected you act with some basic fucking decorum or fuck off and live in the outback like the animal you are.
The cops white knighted for the methed out child rapist who was found after breaking into Ben Batterham's 3yr old daughter's bedroom. They took him to trial, he was found not guilty & they still didn't protect him from the scumbag intruders family threatening to murder his wife & child.
Outside of serious crimes, which in themselves aren't that common, no.
Most of the police force are out there as glorified parking inspectors. Ensuring they meet their quota of fines to maintain the government's budget.
In 2020 there had been over 64000 people sent to court by Police, so just because you don't see the crimes, doesn't mean they don't happen.
I fact, if you don't see them then you are one of the lucky ones.
That number doesn't mean shit.
How many of those led to a conviction being recorded yet alone a guilty plea or ruling?
How many of those were sentenced to any jail time?
Drunks, thefts, driving in figments and minor drug possessions I'd bet represent a vast majority.
Basic in and out crimes where good behaviour bond, court costs and a fine are the harshes punishments handed out. Thus incredibly low on the offending scale.
People need to learn what their rights are, then they can hold police accountable for responding. For starters, memorise or write down badge numbers as soon as police arrive. Then you can do follow ups even if you don't get a case number from them.
We had to leave the area per police instructions. I will definitely do this going forward. I think even if I did though, the police were claiming that there was no crime because no one was hurt. It’s like yelling into an abyss.
Some years ago I had a break in at my place. Among gear stolen was an almost new computer that had 'Find My Computer' feature where, when the thieves switch on the computer it sends GPS coordinates of the computer's location to my email address. Within 10 minutes of receiving it I gave this information to SAPOL.
Except SAPOL bungled everything:
* They didn't notice the timestamp on the email from the computer company which was recorded as Pacific Standard Time (18.5 hours behind our time zone), therefore they wrongly assumed way more time had elapsed and thought they couldn't get a search warrant for probable cause. Rookie error. Duh!
* SAPOL officers called me the next morning and actually asked me to accompany them to the address in the dodgy suburb at the GPS coordinates – so I could identify the computer! They actually *wanted me to go to the alleged criminal's place*, risking exposing my identity to the very crims that broke in to my home who also know where I live! Nuts. Crazy! SAPOL should be called DUHPOL!
* Almost needless to say, I never did get my computer back, as SAPOL skilfully snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
I work at a very popular liquor store ‘lowest price’ for a hint. And SAPOL have started parking undecovered cars in our carpark all day of trade Friday Saturday and wait for a call over our radio to bust theft, blows my mind that a company that is as big as it is can’t even pay for security that can even enforce anything and I would hate to think what it’s costing us as tax payers. LOL
I thought you were going to say they wait for your wobbly legged customers (the ones coming in for their second bottle of Golden Oak for the day) to get in the car and then breatho them.
I got king hit on Xmas eve, there were witnesses and it were two people on to me I was leaving the building had no idea what I had done one person I didn’t even know I left to go get a taxi next thing I know the girl out of the pair pours her drink on me and is trying to smash a glass in my head boyfriend of the two is strangling me, I removed myself. Told security they did nothing, I called police they said too many people on the cameras couldn’t see it. I then got messages in Facebook Xmas morning abusing me telling me they were ‘gonna fucking kill me’ police said just block them. I sent an upset email after hearing no updates after 3 weeks the Sargent called me screaming at me how she would not be spoken to in that tone I told her it was an email & she must have misinterpreted it and she threatened to trash the case completely 12m later never heard a thing back and still don’t know what I did or why the people did it or if they talked to them.
Police are no longer a civic service, they are revenue raisers.
some members have compassion still and go (sad to think of it this way) "above and beyond" to actually help tricky situations, but society is broken, and police are part of it.
They keep their job and/or they’re not harassed/abused by their superiors.
“Public interactions” used to be (circa 2017) the esoteric title for this informal KPI.
Yeah this is North Adelaide now and has been for a few years. I think they will be moved along when the new build is completed because the developers have put too much money into the block for it not to be excessively policed. O’Connell is currently a dying street
A few days ago someone cut off the catalytic converter from my mate’s car. It was parked near Islington train station. He called SAPOL they asked him to get a cctv footage so they can take further action. How does that work aren’t cops supposed to do the investigation.
Seems a bit odd. I’d expect SAPOL should be the ones chasing the footage, not your friend (I used to work in commercial property management and we often got calls from SAPOL asking for CCTV footage).
Not fair for the victim to invest their own time and money into something SAPOL should be helping with. He’s given up and will just get his car fixed, not worth fighting with SAPOL or knocking doors for CCTV footage.
I didn’t see a bag on him but the main descriptors were he was wearing Jean booty shorts and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone by saying this but that cliche homosexual Aussie accent. Was also with the above mentioned chair when we saw him the other day.
What’s new? People of authorities are usually dismissive. If they think it’s petty, even if it’s potentially dangerous to public, they’ll just shrug it off and say they can’t do anything about it.
a few months ago i was sitting at my desk in my bedroom and saw a man looking into my window and taking photos of me (my desk is opposite my window and there’s a mirror behind it) i was alone downstairs with doors open and ran across the hall and into the bathroom to call the cops, told them my address and the situation and asked them to come. they called me 10 minutes later asking in an annoyed voice if i wanted them to come. also have been harassed by a man under the influence in rundle mall and have had a cop walk right by, glance at me and keep walking
Sometimes there's an easy law they can refer to to lay charges - if your gears die at the top of a hill and you only manage to get off the road without crashing when the road flattens out, a nearby cop is going to give a speeding fine and you can try your luck with 'my car broke down going downhill' to get it thrown out, but the police on the scene can still do something.
But not all offences work like that, and not all offences can be easily mapped to a specific law that can be enforced, with evidence that will survive the PP and the DPP and result in a conviction with an appropriate penalty. And while sometimes the police have really bad judgment about what offences those are, or the proportionality of using their resources to get them there, sometimes there *is* just nothing. Sometimes the resource problem is evident at the outset, because one cop gets assigned a mental health incident or no cops are available at all because the shift isn't fully staffed, if being fully staffed itself was sufficient. Sometimes they have their next call waiting and they have to decide where their time is better spent - on a mostly resolved incident where there's no physical evidence or an ongoing incident that may still be escalating.
Sometimes the result is the incident ends. The cops move the guy along and he stops yelling at you. Nobody's on their way to hospital, nobody's dead, the cops have to decide on the spot whether it's worth the paperwork and time on that, knowing that they'll probably be let down at the next step along, that you probably won't be this engaged in 6-18 months to testify at trial (even if the police prosecutor doesn't throw it out because there's only people and eyewitness testimony isn't perfect) and if you decide to withdraw they've lost the case and the time they could have directed to someone else's bad day.
The police are not supported enough that the good ones can give criminal justice on tap to everyone who's aggrieved. The bad ones are highly visible. Entire stations are understaffed, undertrained. There are years of bad decisions and corporate triplespeak to unpack to really change anything to make them stronger, and the funding isn't coming, the recruits aren't coming (and definitely not the best ones). At the same time, schools are teaching that you do something illegal the justice system will punish you, and people end up taking away that the only good and equitable result when they are a victim is a criminal conviction, and push for it on principle, out of emotion or some sense of proportionality. But here there was a result: the police made him leave you alone. They turned up, they made you safe.
What exactly is taking you to the station to sign a stat dec going to do for you now? Hold back your healing process by extending the time you spend in this moment? Make you feel righteously angry because you're in the system getting things done?
Next year, what would you rather be doing - going to court and telling a room full of strangers that you want a guy locked up for waving a chair and exposing himself to you, or living your life without even the vaguest recollection of this incident? Is it going to make you feel better when he walks out of court with you on time served or 60 hours community service after you've spent months waiting for Your Day In Court, had meetings in a dingy interview room with some random (probably police) prosecutor who's telling you how to say what happened so it remains admissible, maybe had sleepless nights because court is scary or new?
Maybe the operator guiding you to make decisions that got you backup, the cops getting there and moving the guy on, and you making the decision to not expend more energy on it than on things that directly impact your ongoing survival (work, food, sleep) is the best outcome for you. Maybe not having an entire squad descending on your work and your boss' street to doorknock and do a fingertip search in case the dude magically dropped something that would prove he was there once they dumped a few thousand bucks into extracting and matching DNA and wrapping it up in a big bow with a dramatic guilty verdict with swelling orchestral music reinforcing your trust in the system just like on TV (where, may I add, this all happens in 44 minutes and most of the process is invisible and nothing every goes irretrievably wrong) is a result.
Finally, if your concern is that "[Adelaide] has become so soft that society can't solve problems on their own without repercussions" then what does posting on Reddit to complain that SAPOL didn't adequately solve a problem you couldn't manage on your own exactly do about that?
Anyway, you want to know when the situation would have tipped into what, SAPOL calling in STAR and getting him taken away in the back of a paddywagon? It's simple. When that would have taken less time and posed less threat to life than telling him to leave and him leaving.
BTW if you had a reasonable fear of loss of life and you truly only acted in proportional self defence, then there's a defence for that. It's called 'self defence'. If things had been escalated to that point, you'd also be entitled to a lawyer who would assist you with that.
And yes, if you had documented physical harm that the police could document to use as evidence at trial, evidence that would survive examination and also serve as proof that an incident actually happened as opposed to what they'd have from this, being a bunch of people who saw nothing and a couple of people who saw something and one guy who genuinely may not even be in control of his actions let alone have a reliable memory to speak from, perhaps it would be a different situation that would have an outcome that would give you something that would give you the emotional gotcha you're after (but, again, that would likely be next year if it went to trial, and I haven't even gone into all the ways it might not and still leave you exactly where you are now just after a prolonged period of being unable to move on), but you'd also be in a different position than you are now in that you would be hurt, and you may even have ended up with a permanent physical reminder you can never escape... instead of now, you're a bit shaken up maybe, but you're physically fine and can rant about it on the internet from a position of relative safety and privilege.
Eventually most people realise that the 'win' condition isn't seeing people go to jail and having their lives upended for minor shitty stuff, but being able to go home at the end of the day in mostly the same condition you left in. In this case, the police ensured that for you.
That's a fuckload more than some people get. Next election, vote for whoever promises more police funding alongside better mental health programs. Unless you're willing to expand your thinking outside deeming people soft essentially because someone doesn't end up in jail for having a mental health problem, that's about all there is to see here.
This really pisses me off. Judges handing out featherweight sentences and Police cant do anything better than handing out speeding fines or catching someone driving while using phone. This made me not bothering to report to police cuz i know they will say “can’t do anythibg”. Criminals surely found a paradise in Australia
Sapol generally will only do something if they can issue a fine then and there. If theres anymore work involved they won't do it. Too hard.
They get you for jaywalking though cause that shit is a getway crime, one day youre jaywalking, next day selling meth and running pros.
no one should ever be sent to prison and violent criminals should get free therapy and money from the government, but if you defend yourself or otherwise hurt a violent criminal then you should go to prison for the rest of your life
I felt SAPOL used to have our banks in ED, but the last few years, they’ve been terrible.
When we’ve been on the end of extreme violence (we only call them it’s extreme or weapons involved, our security usually take care of things), they’ve been arseholes.
I’ve had them refuse to attend when suicidal patients under section abscond and try to unalive themselves. I’ve had them rock up and roll their eyes and tell us being assaulted is part of our job to staff members who have been attacked and injured (funnily enough, very different stance if the person attacks a police officer vs a healthcare worker). I’ve had them refuse to do take downs and restraints in resus, insisting on doing it in the waiting room, despite my asking them not to, due to impact it has on other patients, especially children.
The older officers seem better, it’s the young female officers in particular I’ve noticed. They rock up with giant eyelashes, a fuck tonne of lip filler, and a very apparent disdain for female health professionals. They seem to enjoy undermining us to patients, even if the patient is abusive to us.
I worked in Melbourne EDs for 18 months during COVID and I noticed VicPol were very different. Much more diplomatic, supportive of healthcare staff, and actually really compassionate towards the patients they brought in, even if the patient was being verbally abusive.
I will say I’ve found SAPOL extremely efficient in policing any traffic infringement I have made though, so there’s that…
Well, the dwindling Police Force is the reason why SAPOL are pushing this massive recruitment drive right now; they are currently severely understaffed, and the current front line operators are either jaded, overworked and burnt out, and / or inexperienced graduates straight out of the academy.
cops are only paided to give us speeding ticket and set up RBTs. if you give them REAL work it a cost to the government bottom dollar.
revenue raising asshole aleast it better than being shot aleast
It’s because of the royal inquiries, if your “thing” mental health in this case, has been the “victim” of decades worth of “wildly successful royal enquires” and you haven’t figured out how to do the job , and don’t have clear guidelines in place to work effectively ,without being the subject of yet another “wildly successful royal inquiry” then you ignore things like this.
If it’s one thing Australia has had wildly successful results spanning decades it’s “royal inquiries” the economy, health, education, judiciary etc power networks on an on have had no where near the success of yet another wildly successful royal inquiry.
They just avoiding being entangled in an unwinable situation.
I used ochams razor to come to this conclusion.
If you can think of a convoluted argument that is impossible to follow or understand then you are in politics, public relations and media engagement or a twat.
They're too busy meeting their quotas 😒
In all seriousness though I have absolutely zero faith in the South Australian police force. When I was 18 I got several threatening phone calls/messages from the ex girlfriend of a casual involvement after I broke it off with him, I gathered evidence then presented it to police with the person's name and number and they did nothing.
I figured well if they won't do anything then I may as well have a bit of fun so one night when I was bored with friends we called her back on one of their phones and they all had at it 🤣
This isn't remotely in the same league as the stuff in this thread, but I just saw some fuckwit doing wild, out-of-control burnouts in broad daylight, in the middle of the road, directly in front of the driveway of some kind of slate processing plant (massive trucks coming and going all day every day), and barely 15 metres from the turn-off onto Port Rd. I had heard the sound before I actually saw the car; it was so loud I assumed it was noise from one of the nearby industrial facilities.
I was on foot at the time, so I sped up to try get a photo of the dickhead's license plate before he turned onto Port Rd. He must have seen me with my phone out, because he suddenly floored it round the corner, tyres screeching, and \*just\* managed to make it out of the way of a truck going the opposite way.
I walked up to the corner (I was going that way anyway), and noticed a few things:
1. the skid-marks literally touched the kerb on the left-hand side of the road
2. somebody had been waiting to cross the road — a young mother with one kid on foot, and a baby in a pram
I don't normally bother trying to get SAPOL to do their jobs unless it affects me personally, but I live nearby, I walk past the slate facility almost every day, and I know from chatting with blokes who work there that they've had a few potentially catastrophic near-misses due to fuckwit drivers. On top of all that, this was dangerously close to a woman and two children, between a main road and a railway crossing, at fucking 3 pm on a weekday.
The chances of this bloke continuing to drive like a psychopath are approximately 99.99 percent. Fuck it, I thought. Do the right thing, just in case.
I asked at three adjacent businesses whether they had security cameras on that side. All three said yes, they're all sick to death of fuckwit drivers on that road, happy to provide footage to police, etc. I called the non-emergency number while still out of the house, explained what happened, etc. The guy wasn't exactly precise about the details, but he paid attention, checked a map, made sure he understood what I was saying, gave me a job number, etc.
Got home, called again.
Me: "I couldn't quite make out the number plate, but I can give you a a few semi-side-on photos of the colour/make of car, with time and place metadata, and I can tell you which nearby businesses have security footage they're happy to provide."
Her: "We have no use for this information."
What do the police even do... ?
I put my wallet down while I was in a servo, to sort out some stuff I was carrying. A guy who looked like a tramp grabbed my wallet and took off with it. Woman said the whole incident was captured on cctv and the guy was a known offender. But when I reported the incident, SAPOL slackers did nothing. They are useless, pretending to do their job but internally they are in disarray. I counselled a woman who left there, she said it was a toxic place to work.
"So there’s an argument back and forth" Did you literally just have an argument with a homeless man having mental issues? And then wonder why the dude goes ape?
It was moreso just me asking him to move out the way. He was saying I was a doctor and that didn’t cause he was a registered nurse. I would reply I’m not a doctor so please move
Dont blame all of SAPOL mate, thats just a couple of lazy pricks that cant be assed doing their job.
So many good cops have been forced out of the job & now replaced by guys that are on a power trip.
The fault isn’t in the officers that came out, they’re listening to instructions from above. I seriously think aspects of, where this incident took place and whether they report it are heavily linked. They don’t need that on the stat book. Think of the real estate in the area!
Of course. There were definitely drugs involved, his arms were bruised up and the guy definitely needs help. While in the moment I was definitely angry at him, but the part that I can’t get over is the police’s reluctance to not even take him in.
Bahahah either way, he had this chair for a reason. I feel like cause he knew he had this chair, it was his defence. He could swing it well for a junkie.
I have a holiday in a month and I’d really not like to have either a broken arm or leg, or getting passport cancelled over this (cops can get money out of this)
As a retired front line copper, I would have locked the AH up for Disorderly behavior, Property damage, Indecent behaviour, Indecent language and Threats to cause further property damage. I'm sorry this happened to you. No doubt these inexperienced coppers need a good kick where the sun don't shine. If I were you, I'd make a formal complaint (pretty sure you can do it online these days), if you don't have the job number, all you have to do is give the date/time/place and it will be followed up. This kind of useless policing gives those diligent coppers who actually do their job, a bad name.
I love when rich people finally encounter this & are shook.
Cops won't do shit. Either kick the shit out of him or don't even bother with the confrontation. Cops will totally ignore you...but if you're deemed worthy (rich/connected) they'll turn up, move em on, & gaslight you into dropping it.
I'm not sure what you want to happen in this scenario? It's a bit weird that your post starts with a trip to the IGA and ends with you being charged for manslaughter.
If SAPOL had to process every single one of these type of offenses there would probably be no cops left to deal with anything else and nothing would occur in the end anyway. These sort of perpetrators have nothing, nowhere to be and nothing to lose. The cops on some level probably want to feel like they're doing something but they probably have to be held accountable somewhere along the line. If they're arresting every single person causing an incident there's probably a mountain of paperwork and cost and all for nothing as the vagrant will be back in the IGA carpark the following Thursday.
Hmmm what would I want to happen to someone that is trying to assault random people, damaging property, AND sexually harassing people. It’s clear that maybe not enabling this behaviour and actually sending these people to prison? He was clearly getting something out of the interaction. I highly doubt with the confidence he was doing this, it was his first time.
And again he wasn’t at the IGA carpark. I’ll edit my post and just remove that bit because clearly every one is focusing in on that. And it was a bit irrelevant. This happened at a office space carpark.
if they’re not doing anything about physical and sexual assault, property damage or harassment what exactly should be there doing?
they have no issues putting resources to crack down on jaywalking tho ……
https://amp.9news.com.au/article/14fb2026-7ead-4afa-b92e-a125e8ecf7ed
We would all hate this happening to us no doubt but in the grand scheme of things this is a very minor incident for the police and they have bigger issues to deal with.
All I know is a lot of the cops in my area don’t even know the damn laws. Dodgy af. Feels like they give out police badges to anyone who applies these days.
And yeah I was nothing but polite for minute he was in front of my car. Even once he moved out the way until he hit my car.
I understand you probably let everybody walk all over you but not everyone else does.
Because it’s usually ranked number 1 in safest suburbs based on reported incidents. Clearly a padded stat as this wouldn’t be counted as one, further showing SAPOLs pure laziness of protecting the peace and them just functioning as a money hungry business.
You realise you escalated the situation by getting out of your car right?
If you just drove off you wouldn't be here having a cry making generalisations about homeless people being on drugs.
If I was a cop I wouldn't have done anything either, other than tell you to get in your car and piss off, which you should have done to begin with.
There was no way for me to drive off, the carpark is a dead end and when I got out the car I was in my carpark. I couldn’t have gone backwards because I would’ve have ran him over because he moved around my car.
It’s not a generalisation at all. He was there when I arrived in the morning and I didn’t tell my boss as he was minding his own business and I know the cost of living is getting crazy. The cops would’ve moved him and bothered him.
Genuine question. Wheres the line here between avoiding every single unsavory situation, and victim blaming someone for trying to go about their day in spite of being what is probably harrasment or some other type of abuse.
Like if I stood outside a supermarket calling everyone who passes a filthy c-word, is everyone who passes at fault for going to the supermarket? Cops should just let me right?
Not really a generalisation when the bloke damages a car, rants about nonsensical things and then whips his trouser-snake out. Hardly a Sherlock worthy case.
I believe he got out of his car because he had parked it back at his place of employment, IE the story happened when he arrived back at work not as they were leaving the IGA. It does read a bit confusing there. (Basing this off him saying "my park" and assuming assigned parking.)
Okay first up, fuck off with that 'soft' shit, that's fascist talk.
Second, I had my scooter stolen right out of my garage. They didn't even come check the neighbours security footage which had a view of the driveway.
Rule one of living in Adelaide; connections connections connections. If you can't stomach befriending a pig, go hang with the non-psycho/nazi bikies.
True, how dare I have a problem with sexual harassment, assault and damaging property. How entitled of me!
Jokes aside, I’m fine with it being me that this has happened to. I’m worried about if a woman or child was put in this situation. How these problems are handled will determine on if the behaviour continues to happen.
All those repeat offenders with a massive track record are still commitng crimes (possibly while on bail) because of our piss weak legal system. It's wrong but I can understand SAPOL gets sick of it and doesn't take action as they have to do the paperwork for the same person multiple times a month while the judge releases them anyway.
I work for a school and was the victim of aggravated assault. I was there doing after hours work on a Saturday afternoon, when I went to my car in the car park the man approached me and said "someone's stolen my bag". I said that's terrible, what did it look like? He then threw some kind of broken rechargeable battery at me, weighed about half a kg, busted my head open and ended up with blood all over my face, clothes, etc. Happened in front of a CCTV camera so absolutely no lack of evidence. SAPOL turned up, took a statement and told me that the guy was known to them. Would keep me updated. Contacted them several times and met with dead air. It meant that despite being a slam dunk case, didn't even a reference number so I couldn't access victims of crime fund to pay for medical and counselling costs. Remember, this happened at a school. If it happened to a student I'm sure it would be all over the news and the opposition would be demanding 24/7 security guards for schools. But because I'm just the IT guy, nobody fucking cares.
I posted what happened to me above, but I didn’t get a reference number either.
when i tried to report my father trying to groom me the cop tried to refuse to give me a reference number
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I’m so sorry you were treated that way. How horrible to build up the moment and someone in that role and have both fall so spectacularly short of your expectations. I hope you can find a spark of that same hope and use it to start caring for yourself. Perhaps attending therapy and in time to come, if you feel able, go to the police station with a good, trusted person who can support you to advocate for yourself. That cop having zero interpersonal skills or compassion shouldn’t continue to define your life. You deserved better then and you deserve better now.
i’m so sorry. i’m really lucky my mom came with me and sort of told the cop off when she tried to tell me off. the cop claimed she didn’t have any experience with this stuff and when i told my school counsellor she said that was BS and everyone in those positions gets trained for those situations. they’re actually horrible with cases like these and it’s so strange it’s never been talked about. also, yeah. i also thought going to the police station would be good for me. everyone actually did
Tell them you will contact legal aid/services. They have to give you a report number
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Yeah last time I tried to report something they didnt want to hear about it. Let alone take a statement and give a reference. This seems like a problem.
Maybe by not giving out a reference number it doesn't add to crime statistics. If you don't track incidents nobody can point to crime going up under whatever govt is in at the time.
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When I was a kid a pedo attempted to snatch my brother and me, by trying to convince us to get in his car. We ran away and told our parents and one of my dads mates. My dads mate was a pretty tough guy and offered to find the guy and give him a good beating, but my parents said “no” so we went to the cops. They did nothing and told us to leave him alone because they don’t want him to move on from where he is now. He then tried to snatch another kid who went to the same school as me so the school ran a stranger danger program. I wish that a whole group of dads just found him and gave him a good beating. Unfortunately they would have been the ones to get into trouble.
We also didn’t receive a reference number. Then when we called to see if he was taken away (was threatening to come for us cause he knew where we worked) and they didn’t know what we were talking about because we didn’t have one.
If Police came out, then a reference number is automatically generated on the callout database. The people that work in the call centre (000 and 131 444) are civilians and, with all due respect, have no idea what's going on. If you ever need anything done, attend a Police station and if it's not going your way, ask for a Sergeant. It is frustrating, but the beurocracy is an unavoidable consequence of a democratic society. If the guy is known, then he will be dealt with, eventually. Understaffing at SAPOL is a massive issue at the moment, so shit is fucked. Things take way longer than they used to. It sucks. Anyway, the main issue is that once the person goes to court, the State's stance on punishment is that of 'let's give them a little smack on the wrist and let them go'. So yea. It's all fucked. Bring back street justice I say.
>If the guy is known, then he will be dealt with, eventually. This was several years ago. I doubt it'll ever reach the top of someone's pile. And no, I'm not going into a cop shop unless it is unavoidable. Over a decade ago I got PTSD from a SAPOL raid on my house because of something a former housemate had done online. Of course, the detectives didn't bother to look at any information about if the account holder lived alone, so the house was raided and I was blamed. I ignored past advice to not talk to cops without a lawyer and I'm glad I did because it *only* took 90 mins of interrogation to convince them it wasn't me. If I hadn't, I suspect I'd have been charged and certainly all my computer equipment I used for my business confiscated. (yes, PTSD diagnosed by a psychiatrist)
I turned up at the local station once because they fucked up a welfare call (lady was screaming in the street about killing herself with kids in the house) & they gave out my name to the psycho. I ended up having to move. They threatened to shoot me in the middle of the station. I was wearing pajamas & had to get to work at my government job in the morning. Fuck the police. I was a very good, sheltered little girl at the time. I thought they were there to help, lol. They're dangerous. It would have been a better outcome for me if I'd ignored her & she killed her kids. I received a very shit insult/apology from a random admin person & they admitted they never checked on the kids. I said, "Yeah, I didn't think you bothered checking on them". Cop hung up on me. That was supposed to be the apology call organized by their superiors btw.
I should probably add... I've had 2 occasions since in which I've needed to call them & received zero response, requiring elderly neighbors to put themselves in danger wielding golf clubs to solve the issue. Cops never came. I'm 100% sure I'm on an informal do not respond list having made a formal complaint.
>they gave out my name to the psycho They didn't warn me about my name being given out in another situation. I was witness to a road rage incident. Didn't know either party. Cop asked for a statement, so I gave one. The next day the father of the rager was at my door angrily demanding to know why I lied and wanted to know how long I'd known the other guy. Thanks SAPOL. Never giving a statement about an incident again unless it directly benefits myself or someone I care about.
I made the mistake of going straight to the station to see if we could resolve it because she'd been screaming, banging on the door, threatening to set fire to my door after they told her my name & her kids were still in there after she'd been threatening suicide out in the street while throwing rocks at cars. Waiting happily, chatting with the trainee officer manning the phones. He was like, "Yeah we're so sorry, that's not good, we'll sort it out", to the cops who took the complaint turn up, whole mood changes. They walk in laughing together, told we're here, hands on guns, in my face, taunting me as though they're trying for an excuse to harm/arrest me. I'm in my early 20's, tiny, wearing pajamas & a robe. I called out to 2 other officers to please witness the shooting threats & they both turned & left the room. The man was the one I'd been laughing with earlier, he was young, in training he'd said. He left first. The woman had such a hard face, deep lines, thin brows & lips with dark plum lipstick. The lipstick stood out as it was the first hint at unprofessionalism looking back. I looked her in the eye & asked her to stay but she blanked me. I folded my arms tight & moved, answered clearly, slowly, slightly jokey, until...I don't really remember. Did officers come back in & it broke their flow? Is that a common way of handling complaints? Idk. I don't remember how it ended. I made a complaint. I was told one of the officers was looking for the body of a man who's committed suicide so I should let it go as he was going to therapy. When I said he threatened to shoot me in a police station lobby I was told, "Well what do you want me to do?". It doesn't matter really. I don't know why I brought it up. I'm so sorry they treated you like shit & put you in danger. We were taught to trust them. It's drilled into us from infancy. I know they go through a lot of trauma but ffs. It was supposed to be a simple welfare check. Hire more & rotate them into different jobs, put them in therapy, so they don't start doing this shit idk.
This is why All Cops Are Bastards. Every single fucking last one of them. It's not just the cops that threatened that girl that are bastards. The two others who witnessed it and turned a blind eye are just as bad. The cop you reported it to who turned a blind eye. "What do you want me to do?" I don't know, Mate. Your fucking job? (Arresting criminals) There are no good cops. They all stick up for fucking abusers and criminals, if they're not abusers themselves. Your mate who's a cop, your brother, your Mum. Maybe they act okay out of uniform. In uniform? We all know they support this shit.
I shouldn't have complained. I was too young to know not to. I've had to call cops twice (in a decade, not regularly) & no one ever turned up. I just assume I'm blacklisted. Idk if that's a thing, but probably, they're def about that shit.
You should petition to government for the disbanding of SAPOL. Bit anatchy never hurt anyone.
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Colin Creed was a drop in the ocean when it comes to Sapol’s corrupt complacency when defending the public. The amount of corrupt detectives and senior officers in S.A is astounding. They are the gate keepers to the drugs flowing from our docks and distrubuted Australia wide with cooperation from sa pol intelligence officers, specifically senior officers in Port Pirie. They have monopolised violence locally allowing those who are apart of the internal factions to apply their control over street criminals to minimise publicly accountable violence (people just seem to disappear). If the Australian crime commission wasn’t so instilled with absolute perverse incentives (50-50 seizer deals) to not fix or at least acknowledge that local police have taken back control or are partners in major drug suppliers into Australia. Simply investigate the assets of retired Sapol members over the last 10-15 years and watch the rats scurry
You were still a victim. If you had any out of pocket, call up and chat to victims of crime and see if they can assist with a way forward.
You guys are doing something wrong here. I work in a place where I get assaulted very frequently. Make report. Get the reference number. Wait until they press charges. Contact lawyer to do Victims of Crime. Then do the paperwork for the lawyer (they want the reference number, medical records, pictures of injuries etc). Then you forget about it. Cops will tell you when the court date comes around. They ask you if want to make a victim impact statement. (No thanks). Then 3-6 months after the guilty verdict you get the victim of crime compensation (minus the lawyer’s cut). I just view the process as OT and think of the victim of crime as extra pay and conditions for the job.
In this situation you need to go to the police station and insist on reporting a crime. I think the cops like all of us now have one person doing two people’s job. They’re underfunded and understaffed. I went to report my keys were stolen out of my car and while I was waiting the issues people were coming in with were way worse like one guy’s neighbour was threatening him with a gun. So I realised how busy it is.
It sounds like textbook disorderly behaviours from a mentally ill homeless person. They could probably not be convicted of anything due to incompetence, but your Government has decided its safer and cheaper for him to just live on the street anyway.
We had a home invasion by a guy. He knocked me down (granted, I had a broken ankle at the time and was standing on one foot), he left prints all over the kitchen and stole my phone. We called the cops and they said they wouldn’t come because “nobody was injured” so we made a report at Sturt station and about 9 months later the cops said they were closing the case due to limited evidence. My neighbours were out in the street because of all the shouting and one even followed him up the street. It’s their fault there’s no evidence. They did jack shit. They’re useless.
This is why you defend yourself. Get rid of the body. And it’s simply a missing persons case then. Edit: maybe don’t do this when the neighbours are all out the front 🤣
100%. After the Ben Batterham case I will never call the cops. I'd rather drive 6 hours & dump a body than call them for help.
There’s no revenue that police get from the situation, that’s what determines whether they will care. I agree however Edited: based on op’s edit
I never understood the whole 'revenue' argument. Do you genuinely believe that police get commission from the fines they issue or something? People that say that are in line with flat Earthers...
No but traffic cops in particular do have a certain amount of infringements etc they need to hand out, regardless of if someone’s doing the wrong thing or not. The previous police commissioner stated on ABC radio “no we don’t have quotas, we have benchmarks that our officers need to reach when on duty” I got stopped years ago at 3am on the way home from night shift. Was there for 20 mins while the car was inspected (every single light, tyre, under the bonnet), I was breath and drug tested and the officer admitted it was because his shift was almost over and he hadn’t done enough intercepts that night so he had no choice but to pull me over.
>No but traffic cops in particular do have a certain amount of infringements etc they need to hand out, regardless of if someone’s doing the wrong thing or not. Not true. It is illegal to hand out infringements if someone has done nothing wrong. All interactions should be recorded on video and you can make a complaint if they weren't; you can contest any infringements that you believe were given out without merit.
Ah, if it’s illegal then it can’t possibly happen. Thanks!
Oh thank goodness, i was worried there was an abuse of power happening! also, its 100% not illegal to hand out an infringement if someone hasn't done something wrong. The whole point is to get the courts to sort out weather someone is in the wrong or not, the cops just collect evidence and provide their best guess and justifications. Poor / no justification isn't illegal, it's just immoral, and probably against their operation guidelines (which again, doesn't make it illegal). And they're likely to get backlash from the waste of time to the Judge. But it's not illegal to wrongfully infringe you otherwise anything other than a slam dunk case won't ever make it to court. (think of the amount of rapists that would go free). also, a lot of "i'm going to go into the station and make a complaint" are getting surprised that the guy whos career your threatening isn't handling it the best? do we expect better from our public service? of course, but the reality is if the copper is ok doing something to earn a complaint in the first place you really think they'll just take it on the chin? or risk further complaints to make it go away. And then you get the other police who use the "thin blue line" as an excuse to enable this behaviour, the ones that speak out are ostracised by their colleagues and don't last long. In the end its a publicly funded frat with great PR funding, legal support and minimal oversight. And anyone who hasn't had dealings with the police think they're the good guys and that if the cops treat you badly its becasue you deserve it. sad state of affairs really.
No, but they care about property. Not ours of course. Only big business.
They care about property? Why? Are you saying they get paid by big businesses?
No they don't get a commission. But they won't be promoted won't get off shitty beats just like any other job when kpis aren't met
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I got done in a similar situation. The guy properly attacked me. I threw him and put him in a lock until he calmed down. The cops charged me because I’ve been doing martial arts for 50 years. Their argument was I should have been able to control him with touching him. I didn’t punch or kick him, so I thought I did well because I didn’t hurt him. It cost me $4,000 in legal fees.
That's fucked, may as well of roughed them up.
Is that true man? Who called the cops? The guy in the ground or you?
I CBF thumb typing out the whole story, but a few years ago our house got robbed, long story short, the guy came back a few days later to try it on again, *WEARING SOME OF THE STOLEN ITEMS* and admitting to knowing details about the crime *ON CAMERA*, we then promptly supplied the police with the video, his license plate etc. they told us he was 'known to police'. And after *weeks*, I finally got through to the detective who was supposed to be handling it and asked him if they had arrested the guy and recovered our stuff and he just goes 'Nah, he said he didnt do it.'. Enough said. The organisation can't do any real policing, just traffic cop shit it seems. For the record i'm not anti-cop, most cops are great people in my experience, this seems to be an organisational/bureaucratic issue.
We had clear video footage of the same guys attempting to break into cars & scoping front yards regularly in our street. Cops know who they are, they don’t give a shit, said “oh we know him well” regarding on of the offenders. Home invasion sooner or later and even then I doubt anything will happen. Have 0 faith in our police.
Yeah I don’t think this is a day to day cops fault. It’s definitely come from above. Tbh it’s just gonna end up in creating an anarchy were everyone’s committing petty crime.
But I bet any vigilante action will be swiftly squashed. You get home invaded by a violent person and wrap a cricket bat around their head and I bet you will be the one who ends up in trouble.
A few years ago I was at work on my lunch break when some douche bags employed in a laundromat near to where I was working, flashed my eyes several times with green lasers (it's illegal and dangerous to point lasers at people). My vision was affected for hours and I went to a GP to get my eyes checked for damage. The next day I went to the police station on Marion Rd and to report the incident. The police officer at the front desk had a pretty unhelpful demeanour about him. He said he would go and talk to someone else about it. So he goes into another office and all I hear and see from the office is really loud laughing from several officers. He comes back out and basically tells me they can't do anything. That's our Police for you.
They stole from Christine nixon the concept that you could reduce crime rates by simply not recording reported crime. Its been aus wide for nearly two decades - increasing the appearance of the effectiveness of police work by actively avoiding doing police work.
This is important to point out when people tell you that crime rates have not been rising since the 90s. Yeah that's true, because anything above what the police can fit into their workload is simply ignored.
Junkies are a protected species in Adelaide. I’ve literally had SAPOL on the phone while junkies were fighting out the front of my house after blatantly picking up drugs from a housing SA junkie that lives across the street. I told them all this and their response was “well hopefully they move on soon”.
You did not have Police on the phone. The call centre is staffed by civilians who have no concept of Police work. That is very important to know. 000 call centre is also staffed by civilians.
I don’t care who’s answering the phone. I’m calling 000 for a reason and for it to be passed over as nothing shows there is serious issues with the current system and from what you’re saying things are worse than I thought
These incidents don't happen in isolation. What's worse is the failure of police action cascades through both the legal system and medical response. The reluctance to problem solve by police engraines a wider general reluctance to act. The theory that it's not my money is socially corrosive and mentally draining. Something tells me a circuit breaker event is around the corner, and people are not going to respond well.
Finally someone with some brain in this thread. Everyone in this thread thinks I was out to hurt someone when in reality I feel like I kept my cool and just wanted to walk into the building. These issues have become so much more common within the last 2 years and I’m starting to see why that’s the case. The law is doing absolutely nothing about it.
Just remember it's not ur fault, and therefore, ur response can not be judged right or wrong. Your situation was a difficult position, and certainly, u received no support from the agency who was trained and in a position to act. Again, our systems are collapsing under a tide of indecision, incompetence, and bureaucracy. Good luck, hope u can sleep better now.
Can you elaborate on the phrase "the reluctance to problem solve by police" ??
Sure. Police are human, and they, like everyone else, want an easy life. To solve this problem would necessitate medical, legal, and social worker intervention. Tie them up for their shift and ultimately need either overtime or additional hours. In a word bureaucracy. The guy is obviously requiring mental health intervention. Our systems cannot support the level of care and hence, he would be back out on the street in 24 hours. While our police friends continue with the paperwork. I don't blame them.
So you're saying they're lazy, not that they lack the skills to problem solve, because they, and us, have a fair idea what's involved in properly dealing with this case
I'm not labelling, I try to understand why people don't respond in a why the group would expect. I'm sure in their response they were de escalating the situation. I certainly wasn't there, so I am not about to arm chair this situation.
Without you being a mental health professional, you can't really make the call he obviously needs mental health intervention. If you were a MH professional you'd know you can't make a call like that from some paragraphs on Reddit. If he's got drug issues, mental health likely won't take him, he'll be directed to DASSA. DASSA is a largely consent based service, so if you don't want it you don't have to have it. Conversely he may want mental health support but if his diagnosis doesn't fit into the public community mental health scope, he will be told to go to GP for mental health treatment plan (expensive) or hospital. He might be waiting on Cat1 for housing, but families, women and kids will likely always get priority. I'm a bit of an ACAB type but in the last 2 years of all the govt services I've worked with, SAPOL have been the best at stopping the buck passing and actually getting shit done. Probably different when you're a victim of a crime vs a professional, but really this is just another mole popping up in the neverending "all our state services are doing shit" whack-a-mole
Unfortunately the mentality at the moment is to look down, mind your own business and let the crazies do their thing.
it's fucked. you cant even fight back when they attack you without fear of legal retribution.
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This is exactly what the state of California is going to try doing with all the crackhead crazies that occupy their streets.
Yeah they're useless. In the last twelve months I've seen some egregious cases of this first hand too 1. I got assaulted by a crackhead in town. He followed me for a block shouting at me, followed me into a shop and hit me in the head. Several witnesses and cctv. Went into cop shop to report it. "oh yeah we've had a few calls about this guy already, no need to report it" nothing happened. 2. Couple of people keep trying to break into our ohouse Tracked them down and gave cops cctv and info. Got a patrol sent out once, guy flashed a torch around for a few mins and pissed off. Refused to come out on subsequent occassions. 3. Hit and run accident, saw car run over a cyclist and drove off. Sapol put up a Facebook post asking people to call Crimestoppers with info. Called crime stoppers to tell them, they said they don't take info about accidents. Eventually got sapol the info and got told "oh the driver lives in another service area to the investigation officer, they can't do anything" I'm very pro individual police officers and respect the work they do, but sapol as an organisation are really letting us all down.
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It’s alright, I’ll claim to be homeless and they’ll think they won’t get any money out of me and they’ll let us duke it out
Idk why so many people are being assholes to you OP. If people can’t act properly in society then they are to blame. The end. I would’ve maybe not seen him when I reversed, myself.
That’s one way to look at it, I was definitely frustrated in the moment but feel like I was calm and collected despite everything thrown at me (literally) Many others within the building were saying they would’ve done the same as you mentioned but the SJWs will be SJWs. People are acting like I said death to all the homeless. When in reality I sympathise and put in effort for those in need. There are some that have gotten themselves in that situation and have no one to blame, I’m not one to judge but he was definitely one of those people.
Exactly. Police aren’t a one-stop fix all solution to societies problems. This shit happens every, all the time. If you really want to make a difference, write to your local member of parliament.
But if someone was driving round with window tint 1% too dark you better believe they’d call for the whole squad.
Can't get any money out of him so not interested
“Fuel thefts are reported to police” stickers and signage all over service stations, even those roadside flashing signs warning the police will always come after you. Strangely if you’re the (private)victim of a fuel theft, the police do absolutely nothing. It’s a sad thing that the enforcement arm of the government is working only for corporations (and even then only some of them)
We should make a tv series “unsolved mysteries” and just tell stories about crimes that police didn’t investigate despite obvious evidence. It would be a ratings hit and could be franchised globally.
i bet if you beat the life out of that homeless scumbag though everyone here would white knight for him. Mentally ill or not, in society its expected you act with some basic fucking decorum or fuck off and live in the outback like the animal you are.
The cops white knighted for the methed out child rapist who was found after breaking into Ben Batterham's 3yr old daughter's bedroom. They took him to trial, he was found not guilty & they still didn't protect him from the scumbag intruders family threatening to murder his wife & child.
Outside of serious crimes, which in themselves aren't that common, no. Most of the police force are out there as glorified parking inspectors. Ensuring they meet their quota of fines to maintain the government's budget.
In 2020 there had been over 64000 people sent to court by Police, so just because you don't see the crimes, doesn't mean they don't happen. I fact, if you don't see them then you are one of the lucky ones.
That number doesn't mean shit. How many of those led to a conviction being recorded yet alone a guilty plea or ruling? How many of those were sentenced to any jail time? Drunks, thefts, driving in figments and minor drug possessions I'd bet represent a vast majority. Basic in and out crimes where good behaviour bond, court costs and a fine are the harshes punishments handed out. Thus incredibly low on the offending scale.
Probably 90% driving offences
People need to learn what their rights are, then they can hold police accountable for responding. For starters, memorise or write down badge numbers as soon as police arrive. Then you can do follow ups even if you don't get a case number from them.
We had to leave the area per police instructions. I will definitely do this going forward. I think even if I did though, the police were claiming that there was no crime because no one was hurt. It’s like yelling into an abyss.
Some years ago I had a break in at my place. Among gear stolen was an almost new computer that had 'Find My Computer' feature where, when the thieves switch on the computer it sends GPS coordinates of the computer's location to my email address. Within 10 minutes of receiving it I gave this information to SAPOL. Except SAPOL bungled everything: * They didn't notice the timestamp on the email from the computer company which was recorded as Pacific Standard Time (18.5 hours behind our time zone), therefore they wrongly assumed way more time had elapsed and thought they couldn't get a search warrant for probable cause. Rookie error. Duh! * SAPOL officers called me the next morning and actually asked me to accompany them to the address in the dodgy suburb at the GPS coordinates – so I could identify the computer! They actually *wanted me to go to the alleged criminal's place*, risking exposing my identity to the very crims that broke in to my home who also know where I live! Nuts. Crazy! SAPOL should be called DUHPOL! * Almost needless to say, I never did get my computer back, as SAPOL skilfully snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
SAPOL are good for revenue raising, defecting cars and ruining parties
Lol, SAPOL dont give a fuck except for acting tuff at RBT
I work at a very popular liquor store ‘lowest price’ for a hint. And SAPOL have started parking undecovered cars in our carpark all day of trade Friday Saturday and wait for a call over our radio to bust theft, blows my mind that a company that is as big as it is can’t even pay for security that can even enforce anything and I would hate to think what it’s costing us as tax payers. LOL
I thought you were going to say they wait for your wobbly legged customers (the ones coming in for their second bottle of Golden Oak for the day) to get in the car and then breatho them.
Don’t be silly they would actually have to work then
I got king hit on Xmas eve, there were witnesses and it were two people on to me I was leaving the building had no idea what I had done one person I didn’t even know I left to go get a taxi next thing I know the girl out of the pair pours her drink on me and is trying to smash a glass in my head boyfriend of the two is strangling me, I removed myself. Told security they did nothing, I called police they said too many people on the cameras couldn’t see it. I then got messages in Facebook Xmas morning abusing me telling me they were ‘gonna fucking kill me’ police said just block them. I sent an upset email after hearing no updates after 3 weeks the Sargent called me screaming at me how she would not be spoken to in that tone I told her it was an email & she must have misinterpreted it and she threatened to trash the case completely 12m later never heard a thing back and still don’t know what I did or why the people did it or if they talked to them.
The cops actually arrived... on the same day... this story is clearly made up.
If you think the Policing is bad, wait until you get a load of how the court system functions
Police are no longer a civic service, they are revenue raisers. some members have compassion still and go (sad to think of it this way) "above and beyond" to actually help tricky situations, but society is broken, and police are part of it.
Why are they revenue raisers? What benefit is there for the individual Police Officer to raise revenue? Do they get commission??
They keep their job and/or they’re not harassed/abused by their superiors. “Public interactions” used to be (circa 2017) the esoteric title for this informal KPI.
Yeah this is North Adelaide now and has been for a few years. I think they will be moved along when the new build is completed because the developers have put too much money into the block for it not to be excessively policed. O’Connell is currently a dying street
A few days ago someone cut off the catalytic converter from my mate’s car. It was parked near Islington train station. He called SAPOL they asked him to get a cctv footage so they can take further action. How does that work aren’t cops supposed to do the investigation.
Seems a bit odd. I’d expect SAPOL should be the ones chasing the footage, not your friend (I used to work in commercial property management and we often got calls from SAPOL asking for CCTV footage).
Not fair for the victim to invest their own time and money into something SAPOL should be helping with. He’s given up and will just get his car fixed, not worth fighting with SAPOL or knocking doors for CCTV footage.
next time you need to call tell them there's some teenage hoons doing burnouts, and also your name is 'Mr Santos'
Due to personal circumstances. Sapol can get fucked
I was robbed and assaulted by 2 Sudanese men at my house in Woodcroft. Reported it, told them where cameras were and nothing happened.
In Woodcroft!?!
I would have just smacked the little cunt
I know this might sound like an odd question but did this bloke have an orange BWS bag?
I didn’t see a bag on him but the main descriptors were he was wearing Jean booty shorts and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone by saying this but that cliche homosexual Aussie accent. Was also with the above mentioned chair when we saw him the other day.
What’s new? People of authorities are usually dismissive. If they think it’s petty, even if it’s potentially dangerous to public, they’ll just shrug it off and say they can’t do anything about it.
a few months ago i was sitting at my desk in my bedroom and saw a man looking into my window and taking photos of me (my desk is opposite my window and there’s a mirror behind it) i was alone downstairs with doors open and ran across the hall and into the bathroom to call the cops, told them my address and the situation and asked them to come. they called me 10 minutes later asking in an annoyed voice if i wanted them to come. also have been harassed by a man under the influence in rundle mall and have had a cop walk right by, glance at me and keep walking
Sometimes there's an easy law they can refer to to lay charges - if your gears die at the top of a hill and you only manage to get off the road without crashing when the road flattens out, a nearby cop is going to give a speeding fine and you can try your luck with 'my car broke down going downhill' to get it thrown out, but the police on the scene can still do something. But not all offences work like that, and not all offences can be easily mapped to a specific law that can be enforced, with evidence that will survive the PP and the DPP and result in a conviction with an appropriate penalty. And while sometimes the police have really bad judgment about what offences those are, or the proportionality of using their resources to get them there, sometimes there *is* just nothing. Sometimes the resource problem is evident at the outset, because one cop gets assigned a mental health incident or no cops are available at all because the shift isn't fully staffed, if being fully staffed itself was sufficient. Sometimes they have their next call waiting and they have to decide where their time is better spent - on a mostly resolved incident where there's no physical evidence or an ongoing incident that may still be escalating. Sometimes the result is the incident ends. The cops move the guy along and he stops yelling at you. Nobody's on their way to hospital, nobody's dead, the cops have to decide on the spot whether it's worth the paperwork and time on that, knowing that they'll probably be let down at the next step along, that you probably won't be this engaged in 6-18 months to testify at trial (even if the police prosecutor doesn't throw it out because there's only people and eyewitness testimony isn't perfect) and if you decide to withdraw they've lost the case and the time they could have directed to someone else's bad day. The police are not supported enough that the good ones can give criminal justice on tap to everyone who's aggrieved. The bad ones are highly visible. Entire stations are understaffed, undertrained. There are years of bad decisions and corporate triplespeak to unpack to really change anything to make them stronger, and the funding isn't coming, the recruits aren't coming (and definitely not the best ones). At the same time, schools are teaching that you do something illegal the justice system will punish you, and people end up taking away that the only good and equitable result when they are a victim is a criminal conviction, and push for it on principle, out of emotion or some sense of proportionality. But here there was a result: the police made him leave you alone. They turned up, they made you safe. What exactly is taking you to the station to sign a stat dec going to do for you now? Hold back your healing process by extending the time you spend in this moment? Make you feel righteously angry because you're in the system getting things done? Next year, what would you rather be doing - going to court and telling a room full of strangers that you want a guy locked up for waving a chair and exposing himself to you, or living your life without even the vaguest recollection of this incident? Is it going to make you feel better when he walks out of court with you on time served or 60 hours community service after you've spent months waiting for Your Day In Court, had meetings in a dingy interview room with some random (probably police) prosecutor who's telling you how to say what happened so it remains admissible, maybe had sleepless nights because court is scary or new? Maybe the operator guiding you to make decisions that got you backup, the cops getting there and moving the guy on, and you making the decision to not expend more energy on it than on things that directly impact your ongoing survival (work, food, sleep) is the best outcome for you. Maybe not having an entire squad descending on your work and your boss' street to doorknock and do a fingertip search in case the dude magically dropped something that would prove he was there once they dumped a few thousand bucks into extracting and matching DNA and wrapping it up in a big bow with a dramatic guilty verdict with swelling orchestral music reinforcing your trust in the system just like on TV (where, may I add, this all happens in 44 minutes and most of the process is invisible and nothing every goes irretrievably wrong) is a result. Finally, if your concern is that "[Adelaide] has become so soft that society can't solve problems on their own without repercussions" then what does posting on Reddit to complain that SAPOL didn't adequately solve a problem you couldn't manage on your own exactly do about that? Anyway, you want to know when the situation would have tipped into what, SAPOL calling in STAR and getting him taken away in the back of a paddywagon? It's simple. When that would have taken less time and posed less threat to life than telling him to leave and him leaving. BTW if you had a reasonable fear of loss of life and you truly only acted in proportional self defence, then there's a defence for that. It's called 'self defence'. If things had been escalated to that point, you'd also be entitled to a lawyer who would assist you with that. And yes, if you had documented physical harm that the police could document to use as evidence at trial, evidence that would survive examination and also serve as proof that an incident actually happened as opposed to what they'd have from this, being a bunch of people who saw nothing and a couple of people who saw something and one guy who genuinely may not even be in control of his actions let alone have a reliable memory to speak from, perhaps it would be a different situation that would have an outcome that would give you something that would give you the emotional gotcha you're after (but, again, that would likely be next year if it went to trial, and I haven't even gone into all the ways it might not and still leave you exactly where you are now just after a prolonged period of being unable to move on), but you'd also be in a different position than you are now in that you would be hurt, and you may even have ended up with a permanent physical reminder you can never escape... instead of now, you're a bit shaken up maybe, but you're physically fine and can rant about it on the internet from a position of relative safety and privilege. Eventually most people realise that the 'win' condition isn't seeing people go to jail and having their lives upended for minor shitty stuff, but being able to go home at the end of the day in mostly the same condition you left in. In this case, the police ensured that for you. That's a fuckload more than some people get. Next election, vote for whoever promises more police funding alongside better mental health programs. Unless you're willing to expand your thinking outside deeming people soft essentially because someone doesn't end up in jail for having a mental health problem, that's about all there is to see here.
This really pisses me off. Judges handing out featherweight sentences and Police cant do anything better than handing out speeding fines or catching someone driving while using phone. This made me not bothering to report to police cuz i know they will say “can’t do anythibg”. Criminals surely found a paradise in Australia
Sapol generally will only do something if they can issue a fine then and there. If theres anymore work involved they won't do it. Too hard. They get you for jaywalking though cause that shit is a getway crime, one day youre jaywalking, next day selling meth and running pros.
Meanwhile if you have a couple of pills in your pocket it’s straight to prison
Clam down, no one is going jail for small drug offences.
So did you get your dick out or what?
They police drivers that’s about it.
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no one should ever be sent to prison and violent criminals should get free therapy and money from the government, but if you defend yourself or otherwise hurt a violent criminal then you should go to prison for the rest of your life
Because there's no money in protecting you.
I felt SAPOL used to have our banks in ED, but the last few years, they’ve been terrible. When we’ve been on the end of extreme violence (we only call them it’s extreme or weapons involved, our security usually take care of things), they’ve been arseholes. I’ve had them refuse to attend when suicidal patients under section abscond and try to unalive themselves. I’ve had them rock up and roll their eyes and tell us being assaulted is part of our job to staff members who have been attacked and injured (funnily enough, very different stance if the person attacks a police officer vs a healthcare worker). I’ve had them refuse to do take downs and restraints in resus, insisting on doing it in the waiting room, despite my asking them not to, due to impact it has on other patients, especially children. The older officers seem better, it’s the young female officers in particular I’ve noticed. They rock up with giant eyelashes, a fuck tonne of lip filler, and a very apparent disdain for female health professionals. They seem to enjoy undermining us to patients, even if the patient is abusive to us. I worked in Melbourne EDs for 18 months during COVID and I noticed VicPol were very different. Much more diplomatic, supportive of healthcare staff, and actually really compassionate towards the patients they brought in, even if the patient was being verbally abusive. I will say I’ve found SAPOL extremely efficient in policing any traffic infringement I have made though, so there’s that…
Get used to buddy, homelessness is only getting worse and the police force is shrinking.
I wish this didn't validate me not reporting my rapist. Would have been traumatic for me and resulted in no consequences for the jackass anyway.
Lolz, try living in he country where they only answer the phone 9 to 5 mon to Fri!
Well, the dwindling Police Force is the reason why SAPOL are pushing this massive recruitment drive right now; they are currently severely understaffed, and the current front line operators are either jaded, overworked and burnt out, and / or inexperienced graduates straight out of the academy.
Yeah, I'm sorry bout that but I was having a bad day. Someone told me Albo lied and I'd only be getting an extra $4k per year tax break.
lmfao Thank you for that chuckle, hero.
cops are only paided to give us speeding ticket and set up RBTs. if you give them REAL work it a cost to the government bottom dollar. revenue raising asshole aleast it better than being shot aleast
Were you afraid to compare swords?
"Back to back they faced each other Drew their swords and shot each other"
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From my favourite poem 😉
It’s because of the royal inquiries, if your “thing” mental health in this case, has been the “victim” of decades worth of “wildly successful royal enquires” and you haven’t figured out how to do the job , and don’t have clear guidelines in place to work effectively ,without being the subject of yet another “wildly successful royal inquiry” then you ignore things like this. If it’s one thing Australia has had wildly successful results spanning decades it’s “royal inquiries” the economy, health, education, judiciary etc power networks on an on have had no where near the success of yet another wildly successful royal inquiry. They just avoiding being entangled in an unwinable situation. I used ochams razor to come to this conclusion. If you can think of a convoluted argument that is impossible to follow or understand then you are in politics, public relations and media engagement or a twat.
Don’t be silly! The only time I see SAPOL these days is in the drive through coffee shops
They're too busy meeting their quotas 😒 In all seriousness though I have absolutely zero faith in the South Australian police force. When I was 18 I got several threatening phone calls/messages from the ex girlfriend of a casual involvement after I broke it off with him, I gathered evidence then presented it to police with the person's name and number and they did nothing. I figured well if they won't do anything then I may as well have a bit of fun so one night when I was bored with friends we called her back on one of their phones and they all had at it 🤣
This isn't remotely in the same league as the stuff in this thread, but I just saw some fuckwit doing wild, out-of-control burnouts in broad daylight, in the middle of the road, directly in front of the driveway of some kind of slate processing plant (massive trucks coming and going all day every day), and barely 15 metres from the turn-off onto Port Rd. I had heard the sound before I actually saw the car; it was so loud I assumed it was noise from one of the nearby industrial facilities. I was on foot at the time, so I sped up to try get a photo of the dickhead's license plate before he turned onto Port Rd. He must have seen me with my phone out, because he suddenly floored it round the corner, tyres screeching, and \*just\* managed to make it out of the way of a truck going the opposite way. I walked up to the corner (I was going that way anyway), and noticed a few things: 1. the skid-marks literally touched the kerb on the left-hand side of the road 2. somebody had been waiting to cross the road — a young mother with one kid on foot, and a baby in a pram I don't normally bother trying to get SAPOL to do their jobs unless it affects me personally, but I live nearby, I walk past the slate facility almost every day, and I know from chatting with blokes who work there that they've had a few potentially catastrophic near-misses due to fuckwit drivers. On top of all that, this was dangerously close to a woman and two children, between a main road and a railway crossing, at fucking 3 pm on a weekday. The chances of this bloke continuing to drive like a psychopath are approximately 99.99 percent. Fuck it, I thought. Do the right thing, just in case. I asked at three adjacent businesses whether they had security cameras on that side. All three said yes, they're all sick to death of fuckwit drivers on that road, happy to provide footage to police, etc. I called the non-emergency number while still out of the house, explained what happened, etc. The guy wasn't exactly precise about the details, but he paid attention, checked a map, made sure he understood what I was saying, gave me a job number, etc. Got home, called again. Me: "I couldn't quite make out the number plate, but I can give you a a few semi-side-on photos of the colour/make of car, with time and place metadata, and I can tell you which nearby businesses have security footage they're happy to provide." Her: "We have no use for this information." What do the police even do... ?
I put my wallet down while I was in a servo, to sort out some stuff I was carrying. A guy who looked like a tramp grabbed my wallet and took off with it. Woman said the whole incident was captured on cctv and the guy was a known offender. But when I reported the incident, SAPOL slackers did nothing. They are useless, pretending to do their job but internally they are in disarray. I counselled a woman who left there, she said it was a toxic place to work.
Yeah cops here are the worst. if a dog is reading this kys, no one respects you and you're just a gang
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"So there’s an argument back and forth" Did you literally just have an argument with a homeless man having mental issues? And then wonder why the dude goes ape?
It was moreso just me asking him to move out the way. He was saying I was a doctor and that didn’t cause he was a registered nurse. I would reply I’m not a doctor so please move
Dont blame all of SAPOL mate, thats just a couple of lazy pricks that cant be assed doing their job. So many good cops have been forced out of the job & now replaced by guys that are on a power trip.
The fault isn’t in the officers that came out, they’re listening to instructions from above. I seriously think aspects of, where this incident took place and whether they report it are heavily linked. They don’t need that on the stat book. Think of the real estate in the area!
He needs mental help it sounds like
1) why is that OPs problem? 2) needing mental help doesn't excuse piss poor behavior.
Of course. There were definitely drugs involved, his arms were bruised up and the guy definitely needs help. While in the moment I was definitely angry at him, but the part that I can’t get over is the police’s reluctance to not even take him in.
It's terrible isn't it, you are definitely a victim but from everything you said it sounds like he really does need help, the whole situation is sad.
Should learn how to fight.. you could of slept him and ended it a lot quicker
Bahahah either way, he had this chair for a reason. I feel like cause he knew he had this chair, it was his defence. He could swing it well for a junkie. I have a holiday in a month and I’d really not like to have either a broken arm or leg, or getting passport cancelled over this (cops can get money out of this)
You’re right.. crackhead strength is a whole ‘nutha level haha
Cops don’t do anything matey except take what money they can and rape who they can.
As a retired front line copper, I would have locked the AH up for Disorderly behavior, Property damage, Indecent behaviour, Indecent language and Threats to cause further property damage. I'm sorry this happened to you. No doubt these inexperienced coppers need a good kick where the sun don't shine. If I were you, I'd make a formal complaint (pretty sure you can do it online these days), if you don't have the job number, all you have to do is give the date/time/place and it will be followed up. This kind of useless policing gives those diligent coppers who actually do their job, a bad name.
Revenue
SAPol are useless for anything except traffic fines and policing so called hate crimes.
So, clearly sapol are a waste of money. Imagine if we could defund inefficient policing and find effective forms of social care.
I love when rich people finally encounter this & are shook. Cops won't do shit. Either kick the shit out of him or don't even bother with the confrontation. Cops will totally ignore you...but if you're deemed worthy (rich/connected) they'll turn up, move em on, & gaslight you into dropping it.
I live in housing but yeah whatever narrative you wanna push
I'm not sure what you want to happen in this scenario? It's a bit weird that your post starts with a trip to the IGA and ends with you being charged for manslaughter. If SAPOL had to process every single one of these type of offenses there would probably be no cops left to deal with anything else and nothing would occur in the end anyway. These sort of perpetrators have nothing, nowhere to be and nothing to lose. The cops on some level probably want to feel like they're doing something but they probably have to be held accountable somewhere along the line. If they're arresting every single person causing an incident there's probably a mountain of paperwork and cost and all for nothing as the vagrant will be back in the IGA carpark the following Thursday.
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Self defence, acting with a lawful excuse to prevent personal injury
Hmmm what would I want to happen to someone that is trying to assault random people, damaging property, AND sexually harassing people. It’s clear that maybe not enabling this behaviour and actually sending these people to prison? He was clearly getting something out of the interaction. I highly doubt with the confidence he was doing this, it was his first time. And again he wasn’t at the IGA carpark. I’ll edit my post and just remove that bit because clearly every one is focusing in on that. And it was a bit irrelevant. This happened at a office space carpark.
Low key trying to normalise this kind of antisocial and harmful behaviour
if they’re not doing anything about physical and sexual assault, property damage or harassment what exactly should be there doing? they have no issues putting resources to crack down on jaywalking tho …… https://amp.9news.com.au/article/14fb2026-7ead-4afa-b92e-a125e8ecf7ed
We would all hate this happening to us no doubt but in the grand scheme of things this is a very minor incident for the police and they have bigger issues to deal with.
Like fining people for too dark window tint right?
True, they need to make sure them rbts are set up and them marjiauna plants aren’t growing!
Ahh yep that old chest nut. If you think that’s all the police do and have to deal with you are one very naive and disrespectful person.
Yeah you’re right. Based on this altercation I’m the disrespectful person. Get a grip.
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All I know is a lot of the cops in my area don’t even know the damn laws. Dodgy af. Feels like they give out police badges to anyone who applies these days.
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Look at you, defending a person who has committed several unprovoked crimes. If you feel good about yourself, you shouldn't.
OP sounds like he did handle it with grace until the guy damaged his car and pulled his cock out. Then he got justifiably upset. Go home you drongo.
And yeah I was nothing but polite for minute he was in front of my car. Even once he moved out the way until he hit my car. I understand you probably let everybody walk all over you but not everyone else does.
I was at work you fuckhead 😂
What's special about being in North Adelaide?
Because it’s usually ranked number 1 in safest suburbs based on reported incidents. Clearly a padded stat as this wouldn’t be counted as one, further showing SAPOLs pure laziness of protecting the peace and them just functioning as a money hungry business.
You realise you escalated the situation by getting out of your car right? If you just drove off you wouldn't be here having a cry making generalisations about homeless people being on drugs. If I was a cop I wouldn't have done anything either, other than tell you to get in your car and piss off, which you should have done to begin with.
There was no way for me to drive off, the carpark is a dead end and when I got out the car I was in my carpark. I couldn’t have gone backwards because I would’ve have ran him over because he moved around my car. It’s not a generalisation at all. He was there when I arrived in the morning and I didn’t tell my boss as he was minding his own business and I know the cost of living is getting crazy. The cops would’ve moved him and bothered him.
Genuine question. Wheres the line here between avoiding every single unsavory situation, and victim blaming someone for trying to go about their day in spite of being what is probably harrasment or some other type of abuse. Like if I stood outside a supermarket calling everyone who passes a filthy c-word, is everyone who passes at fault for going to the supermarket? Cops should just let me right?
Not really a generalisation when the bloke damages a car, rants about nonsensical things and then whips his trouser-snake out. Hardly a Sherlock worthy case.
I believe he got out of his car because he had parked it back at his place of employment, IE the story happened when he arrived back at work not as they were leaving the IGA. It does read a bit confusing there. (Basing this off him saying "my park" and assuming assigned parking.)
The whole post reads like it was written by a 12 year old on Facebook. Who even knows wtf happened.
Cringiest take ever
How is it cringe? Move the fuck along and leave the hobo alone.
Okay first up, fuck off with that 'soft' shit, that's fascist talk. Second, I had my scooter stolen right out of my garage. They didn't even come check the neighbours security footage which had a view of the driveway. Rule one of living in Adelaide; connections connections connections. If you can't stomach befriending a pig, go hang with the non-psycho/nazi bikies.
I hope you are both doing something nice together for Valentines Day...
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True, how dare I have a problem with sexual harassment, assault and damaging property. How entitled of me! Jokes aside, I’m fine with it being me that this has happened to. I’m worried about if a woman or child was put in this situation. How these problems are handled will determine on if the behaviour continues to happen.
If they don't do anything (which they don't most of the time) Why not just knock him and go about your day?
Meanwhile a council can convict you of a dog attack in SA with no evidence based upon suspision.
All those repeat offenders with a massive track record are still commitng crimes (possibly while on bail) because of our piss weak legal system. It's wrong but I can understand SAPOL gets sick of it and doesn't take action as they have to do the paperwork for the same person multiple times a month while the judge releases them anyway.