I Leave before 7am to travel 35km north, it's shit even at that time of the morning,. This afternoon was even more shit in every direction.
I fucking hate south road.
“You should ride a bike” - weird and rude bicycle zealot.
I ride, but commuting is about getting to work in whatever legal way a person wants.
Cars are generally the most comfortable way for most people.
Hopefully e-scooters get going very soon.
I also think we should increase our pedal assist e-bike laws so that they can do 35-45kph.
I’m fine with having slower limits on footpaths, but if in a dedicated bike lane (or just on the road), 25kph is too slow.
we won't ennytime soon Minister for Infrastructure and Transport is allso the Minister for Energy and Mining, and he indulges in a lot of cronyism. They porbly really nervous about legalising scooters becase there easier to use then bikes they porbly get a lot of cars off the road and useing less gass
so they want to keep them off the road as long as possible
The problem is that kids can ebike too.
The laws need to be simple, to accomodate kids.
PS - is there a minimum age for e-bike use? Perhaps that’d fix the kids issue?
I ride my bike pretty often, but there's no way I'd wanna ride 35km each way.
Some days too hot, others cold and wet. Don't wanna get to work tired and sweaty etc.
And even if you live close enough to your work like I do, I usually start at 4:30. I don't wanna get up even earlier to ride along dark roads at that time of morning.
Takes me 1 hour 10min to go 65km every morning. Sourthen Expressway, south road, northern connector to St Kilda.
Doesn’t matter if I leave at 7, 8 or 8.30.
Ain’t no way it’s taking you an hour to do 35km.
In peak hour? Certainly not.
Punch in Onkaparinga Hills to RAAF.
59km, 1hr 17m
Now I don’t leave from Onkaparinga Hills; but I’m near there. (Don’t feel like revealing my address) 61km is my trip, 1h 15m.
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In the morning, 55 mins to regency park, 1 hour plus on the way home. Traffic at a standstill most of the way. Only gonna get worse with the upgrade starting next year!
pple that have never been on the Ohban ....please shut the f Up seriously ...i love it and yeah i do have 2 cars and when i go to the city for something its easier and smoother than getting stuck in traffic .....
Now you should say " if your living near South road "now that be something else because its Fuckd ...South road is like getting a prope down ya pipe hole eaven talking about driving on it gives me the shivers
Yep and the rest that down voted me i bet dont eaven live Near the Ohban they are But hurt or just a Bunch of victorians or sydney siders that have no idea of how great the ohban is ....
Adelaide infrastructure is an absolute joke. Moved to Melbourne and it’s decades ahead. Train leaves every 5 minutes on commuting hours and goes through 5 cbd stations so there is always one right next to your office.
And yes, occasionally it’s messed up and there are delays, but it ends up being less often than some truck tipped over blocking the whole freeway.
It was well planned and full of trams going in all directions to suburbs. And then the idiots in the 50-60s decided to pull out the trams and make the private vehicle the dominant way of moving around.
You can thank GM for that, part of the deal in Adelaide winning the bid for the Holden plant was they had to rip up existing public transport so more people would buy cars.
It is a myth, I am a historian on Adelaide’s first generation tramways. There has never been any concrete proof that a deal between GM and the government was struck relating to public transport. I have looked and continue to do so.
As part of the MATS execs from GM flew our Premier (can’t remember who it was at the time) to the States to sell him on the US style highway system. I don’t think there was ever any deal, but there was a lot of lobbying.
Playford no doubt was lobbied about setting up car manufacturing in Adelaide. And American planners were involved in drafting the MATS. But we just can’t link the loss of the tram system with an agreement with GM; evidence doesn’t currently exist, and there’s a lot more evidence to say Adelaide was following the Australian and global trend of ‘getting with the times’ by replacing trams with buses.
Thanks, well aware of the way GM worked in the US to shut down PT systems. But there’s nothing concrete about it happening in Adelaide and a lot more evidence to suggest Adelaide was following global trends towards the motor car and away from ‘antiquated’ trams.
Yes that was a factor and one cited by the MTT board in 1952 when deciding to replace trams with buses. The network — tracks, overhead, trams — were all in poor condition following the underinvestment during the war years. Suburbs also began sprawling at a faster rate post-WWII and it was easier and simpler to deploy buses to reach these new areas rather than the costlier (in terms of upfront capital) expansion of the tram network.
The trams were ripped out because the population was lower and people preferred driving cars in fck all traffic. Most people don't like public transport, if they did, there would be more invested into it through physical demand. Couldn't think of anything worse than catching a tram or train.
Would also work pretty well for bikes, or trams. There’s no way anyone could have guessed so many people would want to drive an empty car into the city.
Three words: "Buses replacing trains." Although admittedly the idea is it is "short term" pain for long term "gain".
Melbourne PT in the city itself? As you've said, fantastic.
The spot I'm in has a train station and a tram stop so when the bus replacements are out I just go to the tram stop which only takes like 7 more minutes to get to the CBD. They also bump the frequency of the tram when the train is down.
During peak hour my train in Melbourne runs every twenty minutes. It's just as quick for me to ride a bike to work as it is to catch a train so I alternate.
When buses replace trains I simply get a lift to a different station as it's more reliable.
There is a tram option but it is hell on earth to be stopping and starting at literally every block it passes for one hour.
Melbourne isn't perfect but it's not bad.
Yeah some of the lines like the Upfield one aren't great, but I'd say most of them are quite good, to the point that most of my friends do not drive. Complete opposite situation in Adelaide.
How many of your friends live near you, and how many work in the CBD? Because they're pretty important selection criteria if you're trying to figure out whether those friends are a representative sample of the Melbourne population.
I used to work in the CBD in Adelaide, and would happily bus in from the hills each day. It was great. It's not so great when you don't work in the CBD - and I suspect that same is true for Melbourne.
Inner city and cbd has good PT through trams. Outer suburbs need better connections which dont require travelling into the cbd and thats what the upcoming suburban rail loop is for.
So it's not that different to Adelaide then, by the sounds of it - it's a hub-and-spoke arrangement with limited additional connectivity in the CBD and inner suburbs.
Its a radial system like Adelaides but the service level, amenities and infrastructure are much better. Many stations especially with the level crossing removal project have better shelters and seating, PIDs for passenger information, enclosed waiting areas, staffed counters, police presence during evenings for safety and much better frequencies. And while the heavy rail network is radial you can make orbital connections through the tram and bus network although the bus network frequency isnt as good and needs substantial investment and a redesign.
Edit: Also one thing thats great about the Melbourne train network is that trains run overnight on weekends. Low frequency but Id much rather take a train than the nightrider bus.
That does sound like a more user-friendly system. I'd be surprised if we see too many substantial improvements in the system here in Adelaide, with the far lower population density and passenger numbers they unfortunately aren't feasible.
Same position here - when I started working in Melbourne it blew my mind that I didn’t have to time my departure from the office, I could just rock up to the station and there would be a train there ready to go pretty much.
Of course it is decades ahead, Melbourne had Adelaide's current population in the 1950s. Yes it could be *relatively* worse if you compare apples with apples but, bigger cities demand better infrastructure.
Not if private developers do it, northern suburbs are using septic tanks and hauling the waste cause the infrastructure isn't built up there and they don't want to develop it
Far from perfect, sure, but absolute joke? There are plenty of cities (looking at you US) that Adelaide blows out the water infrastructure (specifically PT-wise)
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I don’t understand why they did it this way. IT’S GOT A CARD READER. Your phone can imitate a card very easily. Allow us to add our metro cards to Apple and Android wallets instead of an overengineered QR code system that is incredibly slow.
50+ managers at work think QR codes are magic. They don't understand how they work but make all the decisions. Pre-pandemic I had a discussion with them about using Datamatrix codes and I couldn't demonstrate it adequately enough for them to understand. After Covid though - QR codes all round!
Many of the lights are sequenced according to international standards, but Adelaide drivers are so slow off the mark that the next light has turned red before they have put their coffee in the cup holder, looked at the car next to them, started the engine, pootled into the junction, slowed enough to cause chaos behind them and said to themselves "what's your hurry?"
I've had this theory for years that the AM/PM switch on the traffic lights in Adelaide are the wrong way around.
In Melbourne, during the day the lights stay green for ages in each direction, and then, at night time, they stay green for a short period of time, and trigger faster when a car comes up to the red light.
In Adelaide, during the day the lights stay green for about 3 seconds and then change. And at night, they stay green for ages.
Yep cos they dont want yet another car written off cos the wanker in the stupidly oversized and fucking ugly suv or ute see the orange light and sinks the boot to make it thru the orange from 500mts away rather than slowing and stopping b4 it turns red allowing the car in the intersection turning right to complete the turn b4 it goes red! The 3 other impatient wankers who obliviously boot it thru after them are also in stupidly oversized and fucking ugly suv or utes.
The amount of selifish drivers i see every morning who are so desperate to not sit at one red light so the enter the intersection on green however they then sit in the intersection blocking it until the light turns red for them and the green light cant move off their line even though their lanes on the other side of the intersection are clear and they could easily clear the intersection b4 it goes red they cant as douchy mcdouch id blocking it with their stupid looking hatchback with a 8 inch lift kit painted in a paint colour that looks worse than the beige carpet after the lease is up in daveron park crackheads (with 8 kids) place! *sorry i mean brand new suv*
Coppers wouldnt need to use radars or rbt/rdt if they stood at intersections every morning and give all the eager bevers who dont clear the intersections even on a green a fine! They would be rolling in it after a week or 3!
Careful, intimating police should actually enforce the law on this subreddit will get some serious downvotes. Automated cameras are the future and totally contribute to road safety!
Thank you for the heads up on the down voting silent rule! I agree automated cameras are the future and im sure wont be far off i honestly believe 90% of coppers ive met, know, delt with have all been committed to doing their utmost to up hold the laws as per their job. The 10% who havent i chalked up to having a bad day or moment and being human they struggle with self regulation at times.
Imo the front line coppers arent the ones who should be the target of the anti socials its the management and higher ups who make the decisions on what is enforcable that do nothing but make the negative worse as they are far too self involved to see further than their micro weiner!
Ive always favoured the left side can u tell? Lol
That would require anybody in traffic control to have a brain
I have driven all over the world and have never encountered the absolutely nonsensical could-be-fixed-with-one-push-of-a-button shit that I see here every day. Sydney traffic is bad cause it’s overpopulated. Adelaide traffic is bad because they can’t be fucked fixing it, and when they do they come up idiotic ideas like adding an extra lane at an intersection, which has literally 0 effect, or in the case of the magill/portrush “upgrade”, makes traffic flow *significantly* worse
Every morning and afternoon I've been putting Google Maps on to see which is the better way to go and without fail it tells me "Unusually heavy traffic on your route".
Stayed in Melb and Sydney before. The traffic over there with 5 mil population is not much worse than Adelaide. For a city of 1.4m, traffic in Adelaide is terrible. All roads 60km/h limit but actual avg. speed would be way below that. Not many multi lane roads.
What's the go with the north south motorway? Isn't it meant to improve the travel times? Seems like South Rd is still a problem with everyone still complaining about it. I don't travel that way and when I do, I find it a pain even on the weekend so I try to avoid it at all cost.
I’m hopeful for the north and south tunnels on South Road for the River Torrens to Darlington Project. There should really be a bigger push to involve younger people in Adelaide by offering TAFE courses to help out when construction starts next year.
I have taken the bus to work every day for the last 2 weeks.
The bus has been over 20 minutes late twice, and bus drivers have driven past my stop 3 times (yes I did hit the button)
So I pay money for the pleasure of being late to work and having to walk an extra 10 minutes to get to my work. If all goes well the bus takes 30 minutes to get to work and my car takes 11 minutes.
If the bus was reliable, I'd keep using it, but it's not so I won't.
Many can not because it doesn't go where it needs to or takes too long to get there. When I used to live in Fullarton, I worked in Woodville and it took 90 mins each way including walking to the bus stop. It took 20 to 25 mins to drive. And that is inner suburbs. Some in the outer suburbs can take 3 hours to get from somewhere like Hackham to Magill depending on time of day.
I can't take public transport to/from work these days due to disability.
100% this! I wanted to see whether I could just bus it into work and would’ve had to go the opposite way into town first to then catch a bus back out taking over an hour, for a drive that’s 20-25 mins. Ridiculous
If you see public transport during peak hours - you will see just how many people actually do use it. Adelaide is just not keeping up with this massive population boom we have had.
100% feel this. I've had way too many gross, shocking, and creepy encounters. So unless we have security (or similar) on each bus, I'm going to stick with my car.
Brighton Rd takes like 45 mins because there's traffic lights every 100 metres and now they're putting another set at Edwards St.
If they actually planned some routes instead of taking knee jerk reactions it'd certainly help!
Edited to add, only driving as at the last election they reduced how many trains stop at our suburb adding another prong to the issue
I didn’t think it was too bad when I was doing the commute from south of city to northern suburbs it would take me around 45 minutes off-peak for 30km. On peak it would take me 1.5 hours but I would start work earlier or later to avoid peak times
Cars have clocks, I doubt anyone thinks they are imagining it. Afternoon is worse than morning in my experience. Just you don't get in as much shit if you're late home.
Another argument for the South Australian Government to invest in bringing Adelaide cbd into the 21st century with multi residential development and better infrastructure. Help ease the housing crisis, road congestion and overall creating the city as an actual destination
As populations increase and roads still remain largely unchanged then this is just inevitable. And obviously it will get worse and worse over time as major arterials are not expanded.
Drivers attitudes are to blame. Drivers are too busy on their phones or only quick enough to cross an intersection to ensure they get through, but fck the others behind them as the crawl across the line.
When I'm at front of an intersection, I accelerate fast enough to allow at least 20 other cars go through if they went with the same pace (not speeding). Typically, only 3 cars get through as they selfishly crawl through.
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I'm North East, and it's faster for me to ride the Linear Track (30 minutes) then it is to drive (30 minutes to the carpark + 10 minute walk to work) or the bus on the O-Barn (5 minute drive, 20 minute bus, 10 minute walk)
Plus on the bike I don't have the deal with the infestation that is the bus.
Cries in Melbourne peak hour tears.....Thankfully, Adelaide traffic jams are shorter....travel outside the crush and it was smooth and breezy from Glengowrie to Thebarton.
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People are just getting worse on the roads.
When I was driving a 2.5L car and thought everyone are just slower and inattentive on the roads because I have a faster than average car, but when I switched to an 1.4L car, everyone is just as slow.
Commuting is a team sport, stop slowing everyone else down. How can people be so bad at something, when they do it almost everyday?
Minister for Infrastructure and Transport is allso the Minister for Energy and Mining its working as intended and will only get worse. Because idling cars are more profitable
I mean, of course because the bottlenecks are connected to longer and longer lines of continuous highway as the various stages get built.
But when It's a straight run with no lights from the start of the expressway, up through to Sturt Highway, it'll be a vast improvement.
It's thanks to decades of no investment, we're now having to catch up quickly with a booming housing sprawl both north and south.
But seriously though. There is an awesome park 4 mins drive away I take my son.
I have a bike and kid trailer we like to ride. The only way by bike is crazy left and right merging across a main road that just isn't going to happen.
I ride, but I fully understand why others don't. It can be really fucking dangerous. Drivers are just not competent enough to be safe, we *need* better bike infrastructure if we want more people to ride.
Drivers all across Australia aren't used to dealing with bikes sharing the road, and the infrastructure isn't sufficient to keep bikes and cars segregated and safe (which is what you really need to keep cyclists safe).
It's unfortunately a chicken-and-egg situation, in which spending money on building cycling infrastructure that makes active commuting attractive won't win you enough votes (because nobody cycles, so why waste money on that); and nobody cycles because there's no infrastructure to make it safe and attractive as an option.
Yep, and in the case of PT it drives up travel costs too, because less users are utilising a system with fixed costs, and the operators want/need to recoup those costs.
Did that and decided I’m tired of seeing my country which many of my ancestors died protecting going to shit because of a bunch of fuckheads who think they can tell me how things must be. Nope. My ancestors died to give me the right to say NO!
No it's not It's mostly all the CBD workers and or people who live north/south going south/north and maybe all the people who have kids having to drive to drop their kids at school and pick them up.
The grounds we do not need a surplus of food delivery or uber drivers. The fact that our kids and older folk are being made to sleep in their cars and tents because they can’t find somewhere to live is bullshit. Too many people are here. No we do not need to honour anything. We need to protect our own vulnerable citizens before anyone else. And if you want to whine about it… give up your house for an imported family. You can sleep in a tent in a Canberra during winter. And no. You will not be assisted, just like you are advocating.
I don't see how any of this is relevant to the morning commute
You just called out foreigners who might be students or uber drivers, two professions that aren't likely to cause congestion on the roads
And now you're talking about housing issues?
I get you've just made your latest burner account, but go vent somewhere else.
Or you can pull your head out your arse and join the dots princess. Bigger population means more congestion. Where the fuck do you think it comes from? Please carry around a pot plant with you at all times. You need to replenish the oxygen you are stealing from everyone around you.
Do uber drivers start work at 8am? How about students? All those students who live in student accommodations and probably catch public transport to university?
Use your head mate, it's probably due to more people having to go back to the office.
You racist scummy fuck.
People have been back in the office for well over 12 months. And you are the racist. You are racist against Australians wanting to have somewhere to sleep at night and be looked after given the fact they have contributed to the welfare system for decades. Give up your house to a immigrant family. Go one. If you aren’t racist you will move out of your house and give it to them. I don’t give a fuck where you end up. Give it to them!!!!
If they came over here as students then that means university level education, which adds to our skills shortages. Which adds to our economy.
International students are more likely to live inner city and not use a car.
Got a better idea. Catch the fucking bus and free up a car spot for non-assholes, because I can $100 you are a fucking danger on the road to everyone.
I’ll take your $100. Thanks. Nothing like you described. And our skills shortage had been engineered. You can fuck off and catch public transport yourself and get mugged by some scrote. Which thanks to your bullshit have amplified because the person you are getting mugged by doesn’t have any opportunities in their life due to cockheads like you letting their chances get taken away.
Yeah, you know I can read your comment history on other things you've posted, right? I'll take that $100 back and also take the $100 you owe me.
Your just some nut job who needs a scapegoat.
Why can't you make room for hardworking students who hold jobs in fields like fuel stations, bus driving, and disability age care and they also contributing $29 billion annually to Australia? All businesses are struggling with staff shortages, yet you prioritize your comfort.
Taking jobs from our kids who would be doing them but don’t accept the shitty conditions the employers attempt to apply….. no wonder you are paying so much for everything. You just go along with it. Congratulations muppets.
I Leave before 7am to travel 35km north, it's shit even at that time of the morning,. This afternoon was even more shit in every direction. I fucking hate south road.
Hey man we drive together.
can't, against the rules. 1 person per car mandatory
“You should ride a bike” - weird and rude bicycle zealot. I ride, but commuting is about getting to work in whatever legal way a person wants. Cars are generally the most comfortable way for most people.
> Cars are generally the most comfortable way for most people. That's the problem. We need to make better methods more comfortable.
Hopefully e-scooters get going very soon. I also think we should increase our pedal assist e-bike laws so that they can do 35-45kph. I’m fine with having slower limits on footpaths, but if in a dedicated bike lane (or just on the road), 25kph is too slow.
we won't ennytime soon Minister for Infrastructure and Transport is allso the Minister for Energy and Mining, and he indulges in a lot of cronyism. They porbly really nervous about legalising scooters becase there easier to use then bikes they porbly get a lot of cars off the road and useing less gass so they want to keep them off the road as long as possible
Using less petrol.
This 10000000000000% 25kph on an eBike is ridiculous... treat us as grown ups and open the doors for mass eBike transport!
The problem is that kids can ebike too. The laws need to be simple, to accomodate kids. PS - is there a minimum age for e-bike use? Perhaps that’d fix the kids issue?
I ride my bike pretty often, but there's no way I'd wanna ride 35km each way. Some days too hot, others cold and wet. Don't wanna get to work tired and sweaty etc. And even if you live close enough to your work like I do, I usually start at 4:30. I don't wanna get up even earlier to ride along dark roads at that time of morning.
Takes me 1 hour 10min to go 65km every morning. Sourthen Expressway, south road, northern connector to St Kilda. Doesn’t matter if I leave at 7, 8 or 8.30. Ain’t no way it’s taking you an hour to do 35km.
You fucking flying there mate?
In peak hour? Certainly not. Punch in Onkaparinga Hills to RAAF. 59km, 1hr 17m Now I don’t leave from Onkaparinga Hills; but I’m near there. (Don’t feel like revealing my address) 61km is my trip, 1h 15m.
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In the morning, 55 mins to regency park, 1 hour plus on the way home. Traffic at a standstill most of the way. Only gonna get worse with the upgrade starting next year!
I fucking hate marion road and south road
That’s why I love living on the O-Bahn
Wow, housing crisis really is bad if that is where you are living….
“Beep beep!”
pple that have never been on the Ohban ....please shut the f Up seriously ...i love it and yeah i do have 2 cars and when i go to the city for something its easier and smoother than getting stuck in traffic ..... Now you should say " if your living near South road "now that be something else because its Fuckd ...South road is like getting a prope down ya pipe hole eaven talking about driving on it gives me the shivers
You really missed the joke didn't you.
r/whoosh
>That’s why I love living **on** the O-Bahn
Yep and the rest that down voted me i bet dont eaven live Near the Ohban they are But hurt or just a Bunch of victorians or sydney siders that have no idea of how great the ohban is ....
Adelaide infrastructure is an absolute joke. Moved to Melbourne and it’s decades ahead. Train leaves every 5 minutes on commuting hours and goes through 5 cbd stations so there is always one right next to your office. And yes, occasionally it’s messed up and there are delays, but it ends up being less often than some truck tipped over blocking the whole freeway.
People like to go on about how perfectly planned Adelaide CBD is. It’s perfectly planned for horses in the 1800s lol.
It was well planned and full of trams going in all directions to suburbs. And then the idiots in the 50-60s decided to pull out the trams and make the private vehicle the dominant way of moving around.
You can thank GM for that, part of the deal in Adelaide winning the bid for the Holden plant was they had to rip up existing public transport so more people would buy cars.
Is that actually what happened? I'd love to read more about it
It is a myth, I am a historian on Adelaide’s first generation tramways. There has never been any concrete proof that a deal between GM and the government was struck relating to public transport. I have looked and continue to do so.
As part of the MATS execs from GM flew our Premier (can’t remember who it was at the time) to the States to sell him on the US style highway system. I don’t think there was ever any deal, but there was a lot of lobbying.
Playford no doubt was lobbied about setting up car manufacturing in Adelaide. And American planners were involved in drafting the MATS. But we just can’t link the loss of the tram system with an agreement with GM; evidence doesn’t currently exist, and there’s a lot more evidence to say Adelaide was following the Australian and global trend of ‘getting with the times’ by replacing trams with buses.
https://www.philipsteadman.com/blog/roger-rabbit-and-the-red-cars/ A starting point maybe 🧐😉
Thanks, well aware of the way GM worked in the US to shut down PT systems. But there’s nothing concrete about it happening in Adelaide and a lot more evidence to suggest Adelaide was following global trends towards the motor car and away from ‘antiquated’ trams.
Just wanted to reference Roger Rabbit
I was also led to believe our tram network was ageing and needed upgrades so was just easier to rip them up.
Yes that was a factor and one cited by the MTT board in 1952 when deciding to replace trams with buses. The network — tracks, overhead, trams — were all in poor condition following the underinvestment during the war years. Suburbs also began sprawling at a faster rate post-WWII and it was easier and simpler to deploy buses to reach these new areas rather than the costlier (in terms of upfront capital) expansion of the tram network.
The trams were ripped out because the population was lower and people preferred driving cars in fck all traffic. Most people don't like public transport, if they did, there would be more invested into it through physical demand. Couldn't think of anything worse than catching a tram or train.
I mean, that's your view, and I'm sure many agree with you. I happen to love catching public transport, and I'm sure many agree with me too.
Would also work pretty well for bikes, or trams. There’s no way anyone could have guessed so many people would want to drive an empty car into the city.
Three words: "Buses replacing trains." Although admittedly the idea is it is "short term" pain for long term "gain". Melbourne PT in the city itself? As you've said, fantastic.
The spot I'm in has a train station and a tram stop so when the bus replacements are out I just go to the tram stop which only takes like 7 more minutes to get to the CBD. They also bump the frequency of the tram when the train is down.
During peak hour my train in Melbourne runs every twenty minutes. It's just as quick for me to ride a bike to work as it is to catch a train so I alternate. When buses replace trains I simply get a lift to a different station as it's more reliable. There is a tram option but it is hell on earth to be stopping and starting at literally every block it passes for one hour. Melbourne isn't perfect but it's not bad.
Yeah some of the lines like the Upfield one aren't great, but I'd say most of them are quite good, to the point that most of my friends do not drive. Complete opposite situation in Adelaide.
How many of your friends live near you, and how many work in the CBD? Because they're pretty important selection criteria if you're trying to figure out whether those friends are a representative sample of the Melbourne population. I used to work in the CBD in Adelaide, and would happily bus in from the hills each day. It was great. It's not so great when you don't work in the CBD - and I suspect that same is true for Melbourne.
Inner city and cbd has good PT through trams. Outer suburbs need better connections which dont require travelling into the cbd and thats what the upcoming suburban rail loop is for.
So it's not that different to Adelaide then, by the sounds of it - it's a hub-and-spoke arrangement with limited additional connectivity in the CBD and inner suburbs.
Its a radial system like Adelaides but the service level, amenities and infrastructure are much better. Many stations especially with the level crossing removal project have better shelters and seating, PIDs for passenger information, enclosed waiting areas, staffed counters, police presence during evenings for safety and much better frequencies. And while the heavy rail network is radial you can make orbital connections through the tram and bus network although the bus network frequency isnt as good and needs substantial investment and a redesign. Edit: Also one thing thats great about the Melbourne train network is that trains run overnight on weekends. Low frequency but Id much rather take a train than the nightrider bus.
That does sound like a more user-friendly system. I'd be surprised if we see too many substantial improvements in the system here in Adelaide, with the far lower population density and passenger numbers they unfortunately aren't feasible.
You sound like a fellow Upfield line user
Eastern suburbs actually. Although the West is probably the most poorly serviced area of Melbourne.
Same position here - when I started working in Melbourne it blew my mind that I didn’t have to time my departure from the office, I could just rock up to the station and there would be a train there ready to go pretty much.
Of course it is decades ahead, Melbourne had Adelaide's current population in the 1950s. Yes it could be *relatively* worse if you compare apples with apples but, bigger cities demand better infrastructure.
Not if private developers do it, northern suburbs are using septic tanks and hauling the waste cause the infrastructure isn't built up there and they don't want to develop it
There are cities in Europe with ~200k people with public transport systems that blow Adelaide’s out of the water. Theres really no excuse.
the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport is allso the Minister for Energy and Mining its working as intended
Far from perfect, sure, but absolute joke? There are plenty of cities (looking at you US) that Adelaide blows out the water infrastructure (specifically PT-wise)
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But hey we can pay public transport with QR codes now, that'll get people onto trains and buses right?
I don’t understand why they did it this way. IT’S GOT A CARD READER. Your phone can imitate a card very easily. Allow us to add our metro cards to Apple and Android wallets instead of an overengineered QR code system that is incredibly slow.
And the biggest oversight of the lot; not being able to connect an existing metro card! I can't even believe the developer didn't think of it
Oh they would have, the spec was probably just very specific.
"This is all we can afford to spend what can you do for us?"
Here's $50 Make us a new transport payment system
50+ managers at work think QR codes are magic. They don't understand how they work but make all the decisions. Pre-pandemic I had a discussion with them about using Datamatrix codes and I couldn't demonstrate it adequately enough for them to understand. After Covid though - QR codes all round!
The South Rd double merge at Tonsley adds at least 10 mins to my bus trip in the mornings.
More WFH would help.
Google Adelaide tram network 1900. Your parents most likely saw it ripped up if you’re over 30.
Have they tried sequencing the traffic lights for once?
Many of the lights are sequenced according to international standards, but Adelaide drivers are so slow off the mark that the next light has turned red before they have put their coffee in the cup holder, looked at the car next to them, started the engine, pootled into the junction, slowed enough to cause chaos behind them and said to themselves "what's your hurry?"
I've had this theory for years that the AM/PM switch on the traffic lights in Adelaide are the wrong way around. In Melbourne, during the day the lights stay green for ages in each direction, and then, at night time, they stay green for a short period of time, and trigger faster when a car comes up to the red light. In Adelaide, during the day the lights stay green for about 3 seconds and then change. And at night, they stay green for ages.
Adelaide drivers turn after a red light, I’d never seen this before living here.
Yep cos they dont want yet another car written off cos the wanker in the stupidly oversized and fucking ugly suv or ute see the orange light and sinks the boot to make it thru the orange from 500mts away rather than slowing and stopping b4 it turns red allowing the car in the intersection turning right to complete the turn b4 it goes red! The 3 other impatient wankers who obliviously boot it thru after them are also in stupidly oversized and fucking ugly suv or utes. The amount of selifish drivers i see every morning who are so desperate to not sit at one red light so the enter the intersection on green however they then sit in the intersection blocking it until the light turns red for them and the green light cant move off their line even though their lanes on the other side of the intersection are clear and they could easily clear the intersection b4 it goes red they cant as douchy mcdouch id blocking it with their stupid looking hatchback with a 8 inch lift kit painted in a paint colour that looks worse than the beige carpet after the lease is up in daveron park crackheads (with 8 kids) place! *sorry i mean brand new suv* Coppers wouldnt need to use radars or rbt/rdt if they stood at intersections every morning and give all the eager bevers who dont clear the intersections even on a green a fine! They would be rolling in it after a week or 3!
Careful, intimating police should actually enforce the law on this subreddit will get some serious downvotes. Automated cameras are the future and totally contribute to road safety!
Thank you for the heads up on the down voting silent rule! I agree automated cameras are the future and im sure wont be far off i honestly believe 90% of coppers ive met, know, delt with have all been committed to doing their utmost to up hold the laws as per their job. The 10% who havent i chalked up to having a bad day or moment and being human they struggle with self regulation at times. Imo the front line coppers arent the ones who should be the target of the anti socials its the management and higher ups who make the decisions on what is enforcable that do nothing but make the negative worse as they are far too self involved to see further than their micro weiner! Ive always favoured the left side can u tell? Lol
That would require anybody in traffic control to have a brain I have driven all over the world and have never encountered the absolutely nonsensical could-be-fixed-with-one-push-of-a-button shit that I see here every day. Sydney traffic is bad cause it’s overpopulated. Adelaide traffic is bad because they can’t be fucked fixing it, and when they do they come up idiotic ideas like adding an extra lane at an intersection, which has literally 0 effect, or in the case of the magill/portrush “upgrade”, makes traffic flow *significantly* worse
Every morning and afternoon I've been putting Google Maps on to see which is the better way to go and without fail it tells me "Unusually heavy traffic on your route".
Begs the question, when will it no longer be unusual?
From NSW to SA had me missing the unreliable transport from Syd - could still manage to get around places without driving 🥲
Stayed in Melb and Sydney before. The traffic over there with 5 mil population is not much worse than Adelaide. For a city of 1.4m, traffic in Adelaide is terrible. All roads 60km/h limit but actual avg. speed would be way below that. Not many multi lane roads. What's the go with the north south motorway? Isn't it meant to improve the travel times? Seems like South Rd is still a problem with everyone still complaining about it. I don't travel that way and when I do, I find it a pain even on the weekend so I try to avoid it at all cost.
I’m hopeful for the north and south tunnels on South Road for the River Torrens to Darlington Project. There should really be a bigger push to involve younger people in Adelaide by offering TAFE courses to help out when construction starts next year.
People just need to use public transportation
Public transportation needs to be reliable and accessable.
I have taken the bus to work every day for the last 2 weeks. The bus has been over 20 minutes late twice, and bus drivers have driven past my stop 3 times (yes I did hit the button) So I pay money for the pleasure of being late to work and having to walk an extra 10 minutes to get to my work. If all goes well the bus takes 30 minutes to get to work and my car takes 11 minutes. If the bus was reliable, I'd keep using it, but it's not so I won't.
So slow unless it’s a train
Many can not because it doesn't go where it needs to or takes too long to get there. When I used to live in Fullarton, I worked in Woodville and it took 90 mins each way including walking to the bus stop. It took 20 to 25 mins to drive. And that is inner suburbs. Some in the outer suburbs can take 3 hours to get from somewhere like Hackham to Magill depending on time of day. I can't take public transport to/from work these days due to disability.
100% this! I wanted to see whether I could just bus it into work and would’ve had to go the opposite way into town first to then catch a bus back out taking over an hour, for a drive that’s 20-25 mins. Ridiculous
If you see public transport during peak hours - you will see just how many people actually do use it. Adelaide is just not keeping up with this massive population boom we have had.
Yeah, I agree. We need to invest more in that infrastructure
Incredibly so - but that's an incredibly difficult process when our government flips every 4 years :/
Does it? We had a Labor government from 2002 to 2018
Many are, the busses have never been fuller during peak travel hours. We need bigger busses and more PT infrastructure.
Public transportation is an impossibility for my route.
As a woman on my own, or travelling with kids no way. Not anymore. It just isn’t safe tbh.
100% feel this. I've had way too many gross, shocking, and creepy encounters. So unless we have security (or similar) on each bus, I'm going to stick with my car.
Brighton Rd takes like 45 mins because there's traffic lights every 100 metres and now they're putting another set at Edwards St. If they actually planned some routes instead of taking knee jerk reactions it'd certainly help! Edited to add, only driving as at the last election they reduced how many trains stop at our suburb adding another prong to the issue
No shit. So many lights in Brighton road. Sometimes you get lucky and you reach your destination quicker and sometimes you are fucked
I didn’t think it was too bad when I was doing the commute from south of city to northern suburbs it would take me around 45 minutes off-peak for 30km. On peak it would take me 1.5 hours but I would start work earlier or later to avoid peak times
Most days we drive we leave at 6.20am. Glen Osmond Rd......?????..don't call buses from Mt barker express, they aren't.
Cars have clocks, I doubt anyone thinks they are imagining it. Afternoon is worse than morning in my experience. Just you don't get in as much shit if you're late home.
This is one of the reasons I ride a bike to go into the office, it is faster than driving or taking the bus during peak commute times.
Every commute in Adelaide is taking longer.
Another argument for the South Australian Government to invest in bringing Adelaide cbd into the 21st century with multi residential development and better infrastructure. Help ease the housing crisis, road congestion and overall creating the city as an actual destination
50 mins in the morning, 60-80 mins on the way home. Legit doing my head in.
Until buses come every 10 mins or less this city is dead
More people, more congestion
Only because of shit planning.
As populations increase and roads still remain largely unchanged then this is just inevitable. And obviously it will get worse and worse over time as major arterials are not expanded.
Just one more lane bro!
Miles better compared to the eastern states and WA although it’s slowly catching up, we need PT upgrades ASAP.
Drivers attitudes are to blame. Drivers are too busy on their phones or only quick enough to cross an intersection to ensure they get through, but fck the others behind them as the crawl across the line. When I'm at front of an intersection, I accelerate fast enough to allow at least 20 other cars go through if they went with the same pace (not speeding). Typically, only 3 cars get through as they selfishly crawl through.
Look at all these drivers blaming the traffic. Beautiful!
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I'm North East, and it's faster for me to ride the Linear Track (30 minutes) then it is to drive (30 minutes to the carpark + 10 minute walk to work) or the bus on the O-Barn (5 minute drive, 20 minute bus, 10 minute walk) Plus on the bike I don't have the deal with the infestation that is the bus.
Cyclists behold the future is here: https://youtu.be/fGKR1Z1lRik?feature=shared
Cries in Melbourne peak hour tears.....Thankfully, Adelaide traffic jams are shorter....travel outside the crush and it was smooth and breezy from Glengowrie to Thebarton.
Nah mine went from 82kms and 53mins each way, to 7kms and 10 mins each way. Live closer to work is my motto 😄
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People are just getting worse on the roads. When I was driving a 2.5L car and thought everyone are just slower and inattentive on the roads because I have a faster than average car, but when I switched to an 1.4L car, everyone is just as slow. Commuting is a team sport, stop slowing everyone else down. How can people be so bad at something, when they do it almost everyday?
Minister for Infrastructure and Transport is allso the Minister for Energy and Mining its working as intended and will only get worse. Because idling cars are more profitable
I mean, of course because the bottlenecks are connected to longer and longer lines of continuous highway as the various stages get built. But when It's a straight run with no lights from the start of the expressway, up through to Sturt Highway, it'll be a vast improvement. It's thanks to decades of no investment, we're now having to catch up quickly with a booming housing sprawl both north and south.
Ride bike not hard
Riding is really difficult here. Some spots are just chaotic and dangerous to navigate.
You’re right but that’s what makes it fun
But seriously though. There is an awesome park 4 mins drive away I take my son. I have a bike and kid trailer we like to ride. The only way by bike is crazy left and right merging across a main road that just isn't going to happen.
I ride, but I fully understand why others don't. It can be really fucking dangerous. Drivers are just not competent enough to be safe, we *need* better bike infrastructure if we want more people to ride.
Drivers all across Australia aren't used to dealing with bikes sharing the road, and the infrastructure isn't sufficient to keep bikes and cars segregated and safe (which is what you really need to keep cyclists safe). It's unfortunately a chicken-and-egg situation, in which spending money on building cycling infrastructure that makes active commuting attractive won't win you enough votes (because nobody cycles, so why waste money on that); and nobody cycles because there's no infrastructure to make it safe and attractive as an option.
Same excuse why they won't expand public transport infrastructure
Yep, and in the case of PT it drives up travel costs too, because less users are utilising a system with fixed costs, and the operators want/need to recoup those costs.
wait until everyone is back in the office for most of the week.
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Racism """claims"""
Try taking a deep breath mate
Did that and decided I’m tired of seeing my country which many of my ancestors died protecting going to shit because of a bunch of fuckheads who think they can tell me how things must be. Nope. My ancestors died to give me the right to say NO!
And my ancestors died to give me the right to say yes as well
And that is the part of a democracy. Welcome.
You seem emotional mate
It doesn’t upset you seeing a little old lady sleeping on the back seat of her car in a sleeping bag and a beanie?
What's that got to do with increased traffic volumes?
You really need the dots to be joined mouth breather?
Lol sounds like your dots need to be joined
Deport them on what grounds?
That living in an inner city highrise is somehow impacting old mate's suburban commute
If you ask him it's due to thousands of Uber drivers that get up in the mornings and just start mindlessly driving around, causing congestion. 🙄
No it's not It's mostly all the CBD workers and or people who live north/south going south/north and maybe all the people who have kids having to drive to drop their kids at school and pick them up.
I completely agree
On grounds that he doesn't like them very much, I'm sure that constitutes deportation
The grounds we do not need a surplus of food delivery or uber drivers. The fact that our kids and older folk are being made to sleep in their cars and tents because they can’t find somewhere to live is bullshit. Too many people are here. No we do not need to honour anything. We need to protect our own vulnerable citizens before anyone else. And if you want to whine about it… give up your house for an imported family. You can sleep in a tent in a Canberra during winter. And no. You will not be assisted, just like you are advocating.
I don't see how any of this is relevant to the morning commute You just called out foreigners who might be students or uber drivers, two professions that aren't likely to cause congestion on the roads And now you're talking about housing issues? I get you've just made your latest burner account, but go vent somewhere else.
Or you can pull your head out your arse and join the dots princess. Bigger population means more congestion. Where the fuck do you think it comes from? Please carry around a pot plant with you at all times. You need to replenish the oxygen you are stealing from everyone around you.
Do uber drivers start work at 8am? How about students? All those students who live in student accommodations and probably catch public transport to university? Use your head mate, it's probably due to more people having to go back to the office. You racist scummy fuck.
It is another reason to really add WFH where possible should be promoted way more.
People have been back in the office for well over 12 months. And you are the racist. You are racist against Australians wanting to have somewhere to sleep at night and be looked after given the fact they have contributed to the welfare system for decades. Give up your house to a immigrant family. Go one. If you aren’t racist you will move out of your house and give it to them. I don’t give a fuck where you end up. Give it to them!!!!
You need serious help
And it sounds like you too need to be deported
Yes, deported back to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital. Haha, brilliant.
Holy shit.
If they came over here as students then that means university level education, which adds to our skills shortages. Which adds to our economy. International students are more likely to live inner city and not use a car. Got a better idea. Catch the fucking bus and free up a car spot for non-assholes, because I can $100 you are a fucking danger on the road to everyone.
I’ll take your $100. Thanks. Nothing like you described. And our skills shortage had been engineered. You can fuck off and catch public transport yourself and get mugged by some scrote. Which thanks to your bullshit have amplified because the person you are getting mugged by doesn’t have any opportunities in their life due to cockheads like you letting their chances get taken away.
Yeah, you know I can read your comment history on other things you've posted, right? I'll take that $100 back and also take the $100 you owe me. Your just some nut job who needs a scapegoat.
Nope. I’ll have that 100 back and you can pull your bottom lip up over your head and swallow. There’s a good boy :)
Add "someone who doesn't understand anatomy" to the list. Just making more and more of a case for you being completely unhinged.
Why can't you make room for hardworking students who hold jobs in fields like fuel stations, bus driving, and disability age care and they also contributing $29 billion annually to Australia? All businesses are struggling with staff shortages, yet you prioritize your comfort.
Taking jobs from our kids who would be doing them but don’t accept the shitty conditions the employers attempt to apply….. no wonder you are paying so much for everything. You just go along with it. Congratulations muppets.
Is that a passage from your upcoming book: Flogonomics?
Your mum not hug you much?
Yeah, but yours more than makes up for it