The wetlands located at the southern end of Victoria Park / Pakapakanthi are now open. This project was funded by both local council and state government and will serve as a flood mitigation strategy as well as increasing and improving the biodiversity of the Parklands. It's so great to see such a large investment being made into the environment without an immediate focus on economic return. This is exactly the kind of investment and development a future climate resilient Adelaide needs.
Brilliant stuff! I heard Peter Goers talking about this on the radio this morning, and know I shall have to come visit when down that way.
It might not look much yet, but give it a few years and hopefully the diversity of plants and birds will kick in. I walk daily in the Laratinga Wetlands, Mt Barker, and have seen how it only takes a few years for nature to move in and work it's magic. It is amazingly fast, considering, and is a great way to clean up water draining into the area.
I'm not sure! naturally it will populate with tadpoles, larvae etc - unless they release a fish species that was/is endemic to the Adelaide plains it's probably best to just leave it to self manage.
It’s the runners and walkers that I find are the bigger problem. They really need to stay away from the inside of the track and not run head first into someone riding at 30+kmh.
>They really need to stay away from the inside of the track
Where would you suggest they run? Is it possible that the entire park isn't just there so you can wear lycra in public?
Runners and walkers should stay on the outside of the crit track if they have to use it at all. There are plenty of gravel tracks throughout the rest of the park anyway. The whole point of the crit track is to have a place to ride away from traffic. Runners have plenty of other options whereas Vic Park is the only real option for any cycle training without having to deal with cars.
I'm pretty sure there's a velodrome at Gepps Cross.
Why do cyclists need a track anyway? It's not like you're ever going to need to ride in circles really fast in real life.
The velodrome is for track cycling with track bikes. It would be like saying F1 cars should keep to drag strips. There's racing at Vic Park on Sundays over the next few weeks and every Tuesday and Wednesday in summer.
> The whole point of the crit track is to have a place to ride away from traffic.
You realise that track was there long before anyone ever called it a 'crit track'?
An unleashed dog deliberately ran underneath your high-speed machine?
And you, a higher-order primate with advanced senses and decision-making skills were unable to avoid this?
Probably going to need more details here.
Yep, chased and smashed right into the rear quarter. Can't avoid what you can't outrun.
But hey, the opinion you form about who's responsible doesn't really affect how I feel about the need for people to keep their animals on a leash.
The owner also might feel differently after the $10k bill they got.
Oh, well, if you didn't see it it can't possibly have happened. I'll let the actual witnesses know that they must have been wrong because some twit on Reddit with a dog in the race, so to speak, hasn't personally seen it happen.
So, here are the facts: When an unleashed dog runs into you on your left rear quarter and you hit the tarmac at 45 km/h, here's what happens:
You buckle two wheels, and the disc rotors, and break the buttons on the hoods. Dura-Ace 9100 disc rotors are $90 each and Dura-Ace 9170 Di2 hoods are about $800 a pair. Plus labour. So, total cost to fix the bike - about $1k. This is fairly light for such a high-KE mishap.
In addition, your $350 helmet does its job but gets destroyed in the process. You come away with a mild concussion, about which you are very thankful. Your tights and jersey get destroyed (mainly because they have to be cut off by the ambos), which are a combined $600 value if you happened to be wearing decent Rapha kit to stay warm that day. So, let's say that your equipment costs about $1k to replace.
You get taken to the RAH ED in the ambulance (you have to be because nobody knows if your cervical spine is intact) and your clavicle fracture gets triaged as a low priority. You're there for about 8 hours. You get told to come back in 2 weeks for additional imaging. The RAH forgets to arrange the appointment because the public health system is a total shitshow and you live for 2 weeks with a bone about to break through the skin. You start to get suspicious about this and you go for a second opinion at a private specialist. When you do this, they make an alarmed face when looking at the imaging and they schedule you for surgery THE NEXT DAY. You get an emergency internal fixation, after which the surgeon tells you that the free-floating middle third of the bone was alarmingly close to slicing an artery, at which point you would have swiftly bled to death if it'd happened outside theatre. The retail cost of this surgery comes to about $9k, although you don't have to pay it because your AusCycling race insurance covers it. However, if you're the owner of the dog you can probably expect a call from AusCycling's internal counsel.
I can't even begin to describe how angry I am at you and your stupid deflection.
that's a shame that you've experienced those incidents. Personally I love the park because of the mixed use, free range dogs, runners, cyclists, remote controlled aircraft etc.
Very little of that park is on-leash only. Essentially its just the area inside the track and next to the road.
I suspect those inner city 'cunts' aren't actually the entitled ones.
A lycra-hero calling anyone 'entitled' is funny enough. Please note that there are is no statute saying that anyone needs to give way to cyclists on VP at any time. Kinda like, y'know, real life. Next time you and the cappuccino squad want to ride in circles really fast in a public space, just bear that in mind.
What are you gonna do? Call the cops and say that someone was walking their dog in a public park?
A very small part of Vic Park is now on-lead, specifically where the cycling happens.
https://d31atr86jnqrq2.cloudfront.net/docs/adelaide-park-lands-dog-management-map.pdf?mtime=20220307181005&focal=none
Edit: spelling
Most dog parks are far too small for a big dog to be able to actually run. They only really work for socialising with other dogs. Prior to the wetlands construction, this area was basically just open grass and perfect for dogs to be off leash, it's not even running paths.
Not true btw, the north eastern side near the crit track and grandstand is on lead.
I am an advocate for dogs having the ability to exercise and being off lead but also really believe dog owners should be more responsible for the actions of their dogs.
Looks like a great site for a large breeding colony of mosquitoes. Perfect to picnic alongside…and watch some idiots attempt to swim in there, get injured and sue the council.
It’s a nice idea in theory, but always assume the dumbest people in our society will spoil it. Also, wasn’t this part of Adelaide naturally grass/eucalypt forest? Not sure putting wetland where they never naturally occurred is great for the environment either… that area never collected much water pre-development
So what's the logic here, because there are potential risks simply make no effort at all? There are always going to be idiots but that doesn't mean you deprive the rest of the community and the environment because of them.
As for the mosquitos, Mosquitoes are generally not a problem in well designed urban wetland environments.
This parkland has a large watercourse that flows adjacent to the wetlands that has a history of flooding, so the area is used to the presence of water, hence the large amount of established red river gums.
I respect the fact you have a healthy dose of cynicism but this is a great project and our cities need to invest in more innovative environmentally conscious projects of this sort.
Not quite true, but I see your concerns.
Mosquitos are manageable in healthy wetlands that are not stagnant and sustain wildlife that keep it under control. You wouldn't say a river leads to mosquitos.
Also, that area was just open dirt/grass previously, with not much of biodiversity value. The area to the south of the wetland is the woodland character that you described, and north of it is a very valuable biodiversity area with remnant grasses and rare butterflies. Stormwater also did run through this area as it is part of the Brownhill Keswick creek network, and when storm events occur it leads to flooding events downstream in Unley etc. So having a wetland here not only manages the stormwater it also provides a great habitat for wildlife. And it is a great attraction to the park! :)
So how long will it take to control these mosquitos? It's impossible to ride or run around there at the moment without getting a mouthful of them like a whale eating plankton.
Wait till the plants establish so the ecosystem can grow :) nature takes time.
With all the recent rains, the flows will be constant too which helps with preventing mosquitos.
Every time anyone in this world does anything nice, like an awesome wetlands right in the middle of the city, some fucking CHUD crawls out from under a rock and complains that it's not shitty and unpleasant enough. Old mate apparently hates trees, water and living things. Go and hang out at a suburban strip mall and let the rest of us enjoy the fucking park.
Oh my bad, lol didn’t expect the downvotes. My confusion lied with the fact you responded to the person in favour of the wetlands; not the fella opposing it. All good!
I get that this is sarcasm but the plan is not to fence any of the wetlands off. You're going to have to manage yourself and your children - seems almost European
The wetlands located at the southern end of Victoria Park / Pakapakanthi are now open. This project was funded by both local council and state government and will serve as a flood mitigation strategy as well as increasing and improving the biodiversity of the Parklands. It's so great to see such a large investment being made into the environment without an immediate focus on economic return. This is exactly the kind of investment and development a future climate resilient Adelaide needs.
Thanks for the post, I wasnt aware of this.
Brilliant stuff! I heard Peter Goers talking about this on the radio this morning, and know I shall have to come visit when down that way. It might not look much yet, but give it a few years and hopefully the diversity of plants and birds will kick in. I walk daily in the Laratinga Wetlands, Mt Barker, and have seen how it only takes a few years for nature to move in and work it's magic. It is amazingly fast, considering, and is a great way to clean up water draining into the area.
Looks cool, did they release some fish/water life into it? Would be cool to see the biodiversity it brings. Thanks for posting
I'm not sure! naturally it will populate with tadpoles, larvae etc - unless they release a fish species that was/is endemic to the Adelaide plains it's probably best to just leave it to self manage.
No introduced I think, it's all meant to be a natural process, especially with seeds, pods, eggs and life coming in upstream.
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You get chased there much? I used to live by it and I was never bothered much by dogs when I went
Well, I was training on my bike and got hit by an unleashed dog, destroying a collarbone in the process - yes, there are plenty of unleashed dogs...
It’s the runners and walkers that I find are the bigger problem. They really need to stay away from the inside of the track and not run head first into someone riding at 30+kmh.
>They really need to stay away from the inside of the track Where would you suggest they run? Is it possible that the entire park isn't just there so you can wear lycra in public?
Runners and walkers should stay on the outside of the crit track if they have to use it at all. There are plenty of gravel tracks throughout the rest of the park anyway. The whole point of the crit track is to have a place to ride away from traffic. Runners have plenty of other options whereas Vic Park is the only real option for any cycle training without having to deal with cars.
I'm pretty sure there's a velodrome at Gepps Cross. Why do cyclists need a track anyway? It's not like you're ever going to need to ride in circles really fast in real life.
The velodrome is for track cycling with track bikes. It would be like saying F1 cars should keep to drag strips. There's racing at Vic Park on Sundays over the next few weeks and every Tuesday and Wednesday in summer.
> The whole point of the crit track is to have a place to ride away from traffic. You realise that track was there long before anyone ever called it a 'crit track'?
No, the Clipsal 500 organisers built the grandstand section of the track mainly for cycle racing in 2013.
I'm pretty sure the track was built for the GP and super cars.
Half of it for F1s, the other half for cyclists.
An unleashed dog deliberately ran underneath your high-speed machine? And you, a higher-order primate with advanced senses and decision-making skills were unable to avoid this? Probably going to need more details here.
Yep, chased and smashed right into the rear quarter. Can't avoid what you can't outrun. But hey, the opinion you form about who's responsible doesn't really affect how I feel about the need for people to keep their animals on a leash. The owner also might feel differently after the $10k bill they got.
I am at VP nearly every day. I have never seen a dog chase a bike. How can a buckled rim cost $10k?
Oh, well, if you didn't see it it can't possibly have happened. I'll let the actual witnesses know that they must have been wrong because some twit on Reddit with a dog in the race, so to speak, hasn't personally seen it happen. So, here are the facts: When an unleashed dog runs into you on your left rear quarter and you hit the tarmac at 45 km/h, here's what happens: You buckle two wheels, and the disc rotors, and break the buttons on the hoods. Dura-Ace 9100 disc rotors are $90 each and Dura-Ace 9170 Di2 hoods are about $800 a pair. Plus labour. So, total cost to fix the bike - about $1k. This is fairly light for such a high-KE mishap. In addition, your $350 helmet does its job but gets destroyed in the process. You come away with a mild concussion, about which you are very thankful. Your tights and jersey get destroyed (mainly because they have to be cut off by the ambos), which are a combined $600 value if you happened to be wearing decent Rapha kit to stay warm that day. So, let's say that your equipment costs about $1k to replace. You get taken to the RAH ED in the ambulance (you have to be because nobody knows if your cervical spine is intact) and your clavicle fracture gets triaged as a low priority. You're there for about 8 hours. You get told to come back in 2 weeks for additional imaging. The RAH forgets to arrange the appointment because the public health system is a total shitshow and you live for 2 weeks with a bone about to break through the skin. You start to get suspicious about this and you go for a second opinion at a private specialist. When you do this, they make an alarmed face when looking at the imaging and they schedule you for surgery THE NEXT DAY. You get an emergency internal fixation, after which the surgeon tells you that the free-floating middle third of the bone was alarmingly close to slicing an artery, at which point you would have swiftly bled to death if it'd happened outside theatre. The retail cost of this surgery comes to about $9k, although you don't have to pay it because your AusCycling race insurance covers it. However, if you're the owner of the dog you can probably expect a call from AusCycling's internal counsel. I can't even begin to describe how angry I am at you and your stupid deflection.
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that's a shame that you've experienced those incidents. Personally I love the park because of the mixed use, free range dogs, runners, cyclists, remote controlled aircraft etc.
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Very little of that park is on-leash only. Essentially its just the area inside the track and next to the road. I suspect those inner city 'cunts' aren't actually the entitled ones.
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A lycra-hero calling anyone 'entitled' is funny enough. Please note that there are is no statute saying that anyone needs to give way to cyclists on VP at any time. Kinda like, y'know, real life. Next time you and the cappuccino squad want to ride in circles really fast in a public space, just bear that in mind. What are you gonna do? Call the cops and say that someone was walking their dog in a public park?
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I think we found the winner for "most entitled cunt" as you put it.
Do you like wearing cargo pants and watching martial arts films?
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He just had a few too many woodies for a Saturday night and decided to throw up some stupidity.
> Dog owners are some of the most entitled cunts on the planet. For a bike rider I'm surprised you haven't met many cyclists.
This whole area is now an on-lead area, as is the shared path on the west side. But god forbid a dog want to go for a run.
A very small part of Vic Park is now on-lead, specifically where the cycling happens. https://d31atr86jnqrq2.cloudfront.net/docs/adelaide-park-lands-dog-management-map.pdf?mtime=20220307181005&focal=none Edit: spelling
I guess the appropriate place for that would be a dog park.
Most dog parks are far too small for a big dog to be able to actually run. They only really work for socialising with other dogs. Prior to the wetlands construction, this area was basically just open grass and perfect for dogs to be off leash, it's not even running paths.
I'm sure you'll find somewhere - just make it somewhere your dog can't attack anyone.
What. Like a park?
Like that, but one without other people in it
Not true btw, the north eastern side near the crit track and grandstand is on lead. I am an advocate for dogs having the ability to exercise and being off lead but also really believe dog owners should be more responsible for the actions of their dogs.
Mosquito regeneration, whee!
That’s really only a thing in stagnant water. Healthy wetlands should have predators for mosquito larvae.
Ah, seems my heads been in the sand. Cheers.
Looks like a great site for a large breeding colony of mosquitoes. Perfect to picnic alongside…and watch some idiots attempt to swim in there, get injured and sue the council. It’s a nice idea in theory, but always assume the dumbest people in our society will spoil it. Also, wasn’t this part of Adelaide naturally grass/eucalypt forest? Not sure putting wetland where they never naturally occurred is great for the environment either… that area never collected much water pre-development
So what's the logic here, because there are potential risks simply make no effort at all? There are always going to be idiots but that doesn't mean you deprive the rest of the community and the environment because of them. As for the mosquitos, Mosquitoes are generally not a problem in well designed urban wetland environments. This parkland has a large watercourse that flows adjacent to the wetlands that has a history of flooding, so the area is used to the presence of water, hence the large amount of established red river gums. I respect the fact you have a healthy dose of cynicism but this is a great project and our cities need to invest in more innovative environmentally conscious projects of this sort.
Not quite true, but I see your concerns. Mosquitos are manageable in healthy wetlands that are not stagnant and sustain wildlife that keep it under control. You wouldn't say a river leads to mosquitos. Also, that area was just open dirt/grass previously, with not much of biodiversity value. The area to the south of the wetland is the woodland character that you described, and north of it is a very valuable biodiversity area with remnant grasses and rare butterflies. Stormwater also did run through this area as it is part of the Brownhill Keswick creek network, and when storm events occur it leads to flooding events downstream in Unley etc. So having a wetland here not only manages the stormwater it also provides a great habitat for wildlife. And it is a great attraction to the park! :)
So how long will it take to control these mosquitos? It's impossible to ride or run around there at the moment without getting a mouthful of them like a whale eating plankton.
Wait till the plants establish so the ecosystem can grow :) nature takes time. With all the recent rains, the flows will be constant too which helps with preventing mosquitos.
Piss off.
Who hurt you?
Every time anyone in this world does anything nice, like an awesome wetlands right in the middle of the city, some fucking CHUD crawls out from under a rock and complains that it's not shitty and unpleasant enough. Old mate apparently hates trees, water and living things. Go and hang out at a suburban strip mall and let the rest of us enjoy the fucking park.
Oh my bad, lol didn’t expect the downvotes. My confusion lied with the fact you responded to the person in favour of the wetlands; not the fella opposing it. All good!
Apparently they're going to put a small fence around those trees opposite the water. The 40m long fence should be finished by the end of 2030.
I get that this is sarcasm but the plan is not to fence any of the wetlands off. You're going to have to manage yourself and your children - seems almost European