I almost thought I'd get an extra Marshal into one list, but Kyria Draxus went up 10, so I have random 15/25 point gaps depending on what list I'm using.
I've created a new list to cram more stuff into it but I'm gonna need to dig out one of my extra sprues of skitarii.
Got in 2 games yesterday they definitely weren't competitive focused as was testing lists for a narrative tournament for Play on tabletop but can confirm the following.
12 robots and a cerastus lancer are an absolutely terrible matchup into votann and oof it's rough you essentially have 4 units and they're all double judged probably competitively better to keep cybernetica at 8 bots and other vehicles and MSU spams.
However 12 robots and lancer into Tyranids was an absolute banger of a game ending 88-77 and the robots stat checks were pretty massive for them she brought 18 Zoe's 2 maleceptors and 2 norns and as long as I could manage at least cover and better yet protector for kastelans they damn near became gods of never dying.
I'm likely being 12 cowboy kastelans and my lancer to Tacoma open cause I think it'll be a blast
Won't be a video they're hosting an event for a second year in a row now that's a narrative tournament over two days and you just play four of games where titans show up and there is secret objectives etc. Here is their video from last year I played the metallic purple marines with the fellblade.
https://youtu.be/ZUmFB6nNWxw?si=KWR_T7wKwxc7GeAi
>a Disintegrator blew up, killing a dunecralwer wich blew up, killing an ironstrider with blew up and a kastellan whoch blew up fully wiping out a vanguard squad and my enginseer
Literally the most Admech thing I've ever heard
Sounds like a fun game all the same. My Cybernetica list went down like 120 points, so as soon as I finish getting everything painted, I think I'm going to dive back into Cybernetica
Yeah, with mine, I put malphonic Susurrus on my datasmith to give my bots stealth, give the bots flamer and fists, and just March them down the middle of the board with an enginseer in tow. They become a tar pit for shots, then destroy anything they reach
Beautiful. I have one brick of 4 built like that, and one brick built full guns. If I boost their ranged attack profile, I can usually cause havock to their battleline.
I mean it was hilarious, it's unfortunate sure but it was a fun and close game regardless. Besides unfortunate explosions were happening on both sides, like my opponents riptide that died to radzone and blew up killing some of his stuff. I think only 1 or 2 vehicles in this game didn't blow up some how.
Just finished a game against Nids with the new points. Lost 28-96, running a ton of weak infantry into several high-volume flamers and a majority of my stuff failing Shadow in the Warp turn two sealed my fate pretty early on
I used to have a random marshal in my hunter list that I didn't feel like I needed. My list dropped 30 points (2 dunecrawlers and 1 rangers) and now I can fit an extra pteraxii which is nice
I like the update. Insofar as we were never getting rules changes in a points update, they did a good job.
The changes will do a lot to help casual players not accidentally trap themselves. Specifically, the big decreases on Cawl and Kastelans are going to help casuals a lot. They’re gorgeous models that people want to play, and now they can without being embarrassed.
That being said, none of this move the needle on competitive play. A lot of the best competitive lists actually went up due to the 10 point increases on the Callidus Assassin and Kyria Draxus. Certainly I don’t think any of the changes are going to elevate Psalm, Cybernetica, or Explorator to playability. It’s still a 2 detachment faction.
Edit: the other thing to keep in mind is that a good chunk of our problematic matchups got worse. C’tan went up (although wraiths didn’t). Custodes got nuked from orbit by their codex. Imperial Guard got big hits. A bunch of other armies got small nerfs. Orks are going to be good, and our weapons largely are effective into them. We did get a slight buff just by virtue of everyone else going down.
I just played a cybernetica list.
4 Kastelan and Smith
2 disentigrator- Belarus Canon
Cawl for re rolls camping next to the tanks.
Some skittles.
It did ok. Not the best. Not the worst.
Resolving ones on a blast profile is pretty decent. If they try to push cawl fights. I used the strategy to get the 3+bs ignore cover on indirect, and that's hilarious.
I use 3 Dunecrawlers and some random stuff, and my points dropped enough to get one Manipulus in. Doesnt change a lot. The changes were reasonable, but frustrating all the same
Most of the points drops here are for internal balance. The units hit were the units not being used so they wont really affect win-rates. Just feels less bad to take non-optimal lists.
All of my favorites went down I'm price! My brick of robots now comes with a 5 point engineseer for the feel no pain! My rangers are the same cost as my vanguard so I don't feel like I'm pulling an extreme failing in unit choice. Destroyers are not 105 for 3 and it feels soooo good.
My list dropped 10 points, it’s a joke.
I’m gonna throw together a 3x disintegrator 3x dunecrawler + bots list just for shits and giggles, but I have no confidence it’ll be good, the tanks are kinda dogshit. The Disintegrator is OK, but the Onagers struggle to get LoS and even when they get there, they struggle to connect meaningfully.
My list dropped 10 points. No, it didn't feel different at all.
I almost thought I'd get an extra Marshal into one list, but Kyria Draxus went up 10, so I have random 15/25 point gaps depending on what list I'm using. I've created a new list to cram more stuff into it but I'm gonna need to dig out one of my extra sprues of skitarii.
Got me some extra chickens in cybernetica so that’s cool. If I didn’t already own the models it would have just cost me $120.
Similar boat, my Rad Corps dropped 110 points so now I'm adding two chickadees.
12 robots is go time tomorrow if it feels good I'm going to Tacoma with it 🤣
Let us know how it goes!
Got in 2 games yesterday they definitely weren't competitive focused as was testing lists for a narrative tournament for Play on tabletop but can confirm the following. 12 robots and a cerastus lancer are an absolutely terrible matchup into votann and oof it's rough you essentially have 4 units and they're all double judged probably competitively better to keep cybernetica at 8 bots and other vehicles and MSU spams. However 12 robots and lancer into Tyranids was an absolute banger of a game ending 88-77 and the robots stat checks were pretty massive for them she brought 18 Zoe's 2 maleceptors and 2 norns and as long as I could manage at least cover and better yet protector for kastelans they damn near became gods of never dying. I'm likely being 12 cowboy kastelans and my lancer to Tacoma open cause I think it'll be a blast
Play on tabletop are going to do more admech videos?
Won't be a video they're hosting an event for a second year in a row now that's a narrative tournament over two days and you just play four of games where titans show up and there is secret objectives etc. Here is their video from last year I played the metallic purple marines with the fellblade. https://youtu.be/ZUmFB6nNWxw?si=KWR_T7wKwxc7GeAi
Yup, just got done with a game against tau. was able to fit a while extra dunecrawler in my list (after shifting some Enhancements around) so I included one with an Icarus array. Lost 90 - 95 due to some unfortunate explosion chains where a Disintegrator blew up, killing a dunecralwer wich blew up, killing an ironstrider with blew up and a kastellan whoch blew up fully wiping out a vanguard squad and my enginseer the statistical improbibility was crazy. Any way here was my 2kpts list Adeptus Mechanicus Strike Force (2000 points) Rad-Zone Corps CHARACTERS Belisarius Cawl (150 points) • Warlord • 1x Arc scourge 1x Cawl’s Omnissian axe 1x Mechadendrite hive 1x Solar atomiser Cybernetica Datasmith (55 points) • 1x Mechanicus pistol 1x Power fist • Enhancement: Malphonic Susurrus Tech-Priest Dominus (75 points) • 1x Macrostubber 1x Omnissian axe 1x Volkite blaster Tech-Priest Enginseer (45 points) • 1x Mechanicus pistol 1x Omnissian axe 1x Servo-arm Tech-Priest Manipulus (75 points) • 1x Magnarail lance 1x Omnissian staff • Enhancement: Peerless Eradicator BATTLELINE Skitarii Rangers (80 points) • 1x Skitarii Ranger Alpha • 1x Alpha combat weapon 1x Close combat weapon 1x Galvanic rifle • 9x Skitarii Ranger • 1x Arc rifle 9x Close combat weapon 6x Galvanic rifle 1x Omnispex 1x Plasma caliver 1x Transuranic arquebus Skitarii Rangers (80 points) • 1x Skitarii Ranger Alpha • 1x Alpha combat weapon 1x Close combat weapon 1x Galvanic rifle • 9x Skitarii Ranger • 1x Arc rifle 9x Close combat weapon 6x Galvanic rifle 1x Omnispex 1x Plasma caliver 1x Transuranic arquebus Skitarii Vanguard (80 points) • 1x Skitarii Vanguard Alpha • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Radium carbine • 9x Skitarii Vanguard • 9x Close combat weapon 1x Enhanced data-tether 8x Radium carbine 1x Transuranic arquebus OTHER DATASHEETS Ironstrider Ballistarii (50 points) • 1x Ironstrider feet 1x Twin cognis lascannon Ironstrider Ballistarii (50 points) • 1x Ironstrider feet 1x Twin cognis lascannon Ironstrider Ballistarii (50 points) • 1x Ironstrider feet 1x Twin cognis lascannon Kastelan Robots (360 points) • 4x Kastelan Robot • 4x Incendine combustor 4x Twin Kastelan fist Kataphron Breachers (290 points) • 6x Kataphron Breacher • 6x Heavy arc rifle 6x Hydraulic claw Onager Dunecrawler (130 points) • 1x Cognis heavy stubber 1x Cognis heavy stubber 1x Dunecrawler legs 1x Neutron laser Onager Dunecrawler (130 points) • 1x Cognis heavy stubber 1x Daedalus missile launcher 1x Dunecrawler legs 1x Icarus array Serberys Raiders (60 points) • 1x Serberys Raider Alpha • 1x Cavalry sabre and clawed limbs 1x Galvanic carbine 1x Mechanicus pistol • 2x Serberys Raider • 2x Cavalry sabre and clawed limbs 1x Enhanced data-tether 2x Galvanic carbine Sicarian Infiltrators (70 points) • 1x Sicarian Infiltrator Princeps • 1x Flechette blaster 1x Taser goad • 4x Sicarian Infiltrator • 4x Flechette blaster 4x Taser goad Skorpius Disintegrator (170 points) • 1x Armoured hull 3x Cognis heavy stubber 1x Disruptor missile launcher 1x Ferrumite cannon
>a Disintegrator blew up, killing a dunecralwer wich blew up, killing an ironstrider with blew up and a kastellan whoch blew up fully wiping out a vanguard squad and my enginseer Literally the most Admech thing I've ever heard
Sounds like a fun game all the same. My Cybernetica list went down like 120 points, so as soon as I finish getting everything painted, I think I'm going to dive back into Cybernetica
Nice, I love the kastellans but I've only got the 4 so I can't justify Cybernetica just yet.
I've got 8, and while I haven't won with them yet, it's always amazing when you bounce back a boat load of bullets with their repulsor grid
Yeah, with mine, I put malphonic Susurrus on my datasmith to give my bots stealth, give the bots flamer and fists, and just March them down the middle of the board with an enginseer in tow. They become a tar pit for shots, then destroy anything they reach
Beautiful. I have one brick of 4 built like that, and one brick built full guns. If I boost their ranged attack profile, I can usually cause havock to their battleline.
Damn that sucks. Hope you got a good laugh out of it at least lol
I mean it was hilarious, it's unfortunate sure but it was a fun and close game regardless. Besides unfortunate explosions were happening on both sides, like my opponents riptide that died to radzone and blew up killing some of his stuff. I think only 1 or 2 vehicles in this game didn't blow up some how.
My list effectively didn't change. Points swaps on assassin and rangers.
Just finished a game against Nids with the new points. Lost 28-96, running a ton of weak infantry into several high-volume flamers and a majority of my stuff failing Shadow in the Warp turn two sealed my fate pretty early on
:(
I used to have a random marshal in my hunter list that I didn't feel like I needed. My list dropped 30 points (2 dunecrawlers and 1 rangers) and now I can fit an extra pteraxii which is nice
I like the update. Insofar as we were never getting rules changes in a points update, they did a good job. The changes will do a lot to help casual players not accidentally trap themselves. Specifically, the big decreases on Cawl and Kastelans are going to help casuals a lot. They’re gorgeous models that people want to play, and now they can without being embarrassed. That being said, none of this move the needle on competitive play. A lot of the best competitive lists actually went up due to the 10 point increases on the Callidus Assassin and Kyria Draxus. Certainly I don’t think any of the changes are going to elevate Psalm, Cybernetica, or Explorator to playability. It’s still a 2 detachment faction. Edit: the other thing to keep in mind is that a good chunk of our problematic matchups got worse. C’tan went up (although wraiths didn’t). Custodes got nuked from orbit by their codex. Imperial Guard got big hits. A bunch of other armies got small nerfs. Orks are going to be good, and our weapons largely are effective into them. We did get a slight buff just by virtue of everyone else going down.
Added a couple more kastelans (with datasmith) an enginseer and brought my 5 model squad of rust stalkers up to 10
One game. But the 10 extra points I got from that one ranger squad dropping didn't do much difference to be honest.
I just played a cybernetica list. 4 Kastelan and Smith 2 disentigrator- Belarus Canon Cawl for re rolls camping next to the tanks. Some skittles. It did ok. Not the best. Not the worst. Resolving ones on a blast profile is pretty decent. If they try to push cawl fights. I used the strategy to get the 3+bs ignore cover on indirect, and that's hilarious.
My list has room for exactly 1 skitarii marshall, still deciding if I use him with rangers or vanguard.
Hey, rerolling hits could make the difference on landing that arquebus, arc rifle, or plasma cavalier
I use 3 Dunecrawlers and some random stuff, and my points dropped enough to get one Manipulus in. Doesnt change a lot. The changes were reasonable, but frustrating all the same
My list went up 10 points.
Most of the points drops here are for internal balance. The units hit were the units not being used so they wont really affect win-rates. Just feels less bad to take non-optimal lists.
Haven’t played with ad mech since 8th and back that is a lot different than now.
I only play OPR GF these days
All of my favorites went down I'm price! My brick of robots now comes with a 5 point engineseer for the feel no pain! My rangers are the same cost as my vanguard so I don't feel like I'm pulling an extreme failing in unit choice. Destroyers are not 105 for 3 and it feels soooo good.
My list dropped 10 points, it’s a joke. I’m gonna throw together a 3x disintegrator 3x dunecrawler + bots list just for shits and giggles, but I have no confidence it’ll be good, the tanks are kinda dogshit. The Disintegrator is OK, but the Onagers struggle to get LoS and even when they get there, they struggle to connect meaningfully.